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I am surprised that Jan Engels Smith is not on here.   

Jan claims to have been adopted into a Lakota family and she attends their Sundance. She also claims to carry the Lakota songs and she runs a "Practicum" based on a traditional "Vison Quest" at this ceremony she uses many Lakota teachings and also as she claims to be a "Pipe Carrier"  at the closing part of the ceremony, she passes this pipe among the entire community to partake in.  She also claims to have been given the Lakota songs and they are sung at ceremonies. They also participate in there version of different Indigenous ceremonies, ie. Ghost Dance, and a Flying Drum to name a few.   And at the same time the school also claims to be "the new Mystery School on Earth"  see below quote from website.  It is taught in many classed that  Jan and Lightsong was "chosen" to be the New Mystery School"   Jan has also stated, that this Shamanic School, is the best and the only one that truly knows how to create a safe container.  She has also been known to bully or kick people out of the school if they question her teachings. 

She has written a few books as well, has a podcast on Shamanism and many online courses.  Her courses also are extremely expensive and she can make the choice whether or not you actually "passed" a class, based on her "spirits and insight"   And usually you don't pass until you sign a contract and pay more  money to take another class.

Supposedly they have a degree program that you can be part of and graduate with a "Masters In Shamanism"  however, very few actually ever graduate after years and years and money of attending the school and if questioned about how to actually graduate, there are many obstacles thrown in the way, or more classes that are needed.   

I could write more...but curious if others know of this school, this teacher or are interested in researching.

"During the process of planning LightSongs's first commencement ceremony, Jan Engels-Smith founder of LightSong and one of LightSong's council members simultaneously  received a message from a spirit ally about the nature of the ceremony and LightSong's place in the lineage of Mystery Schools. Included in the message were details specific to LightSong as an organization stepping up to take its place in an ancient lineage of Earth's Mystery Schools. This lineage has carried wisdom forward from Lemuria, Atlantis, Egypt, Avalon and is now embodied through LightSong."

https://www.newrenbooks.com/jan-engels-smith-interview

  https://youtu.be/QqCEJ07UnaQ

  http://lightsong.net/all-lightsong-shamanic-courses/core-courses/through-the-rabbit-hole-video-teaching-series/

  http://lightsong.net/blog/page-section/marketing/

Who is she claiming to sundance with?

I believe it is the Buckhorse  Family somewhere up in Eastern Washington.   She has led Vision Quests and Sundances.  However she is not Native American at all. But she claims she was adopted into the Buckhorse Family. 

https://youtu.be/bt3VFaEIgug

Quote from: seekingtruth999 on January 17, 2020, 01:24:46 AM
https://youtu.be/bt3VFaEIgug

The presenter starting that video is Lorna Liana, who owns this huge commercial empire:

https://entheonation.com/  —  https://entheonation.com/about/ 

Jan Engels Smith & LightSong Facebook presence:

https://www.facebook.com/JanEngelsSmith [Jan Weiss Engels-Smith]

https://www.facebook.com/LightSong/  [LightSong School of Shamanic Studies]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/LightSong/groups/  "Groups by This Page":

https://www.facebook.com/groups/292112151273883/
[Shamanism: LightSong Community]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/FeelGoodChallenge/
[FEEL GOOD Challenge]

Also found: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LightSongBB/
[LightSong Bulletin Board]

Jan Engels Smith is an active member of the Leonard Mattern Jr/Buck Ghosthorse fraud group. (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3760.0 )

I'm listening to her podcasts on this subject and will add to the Ghosthorse thread here.

I'm particularly interested in her Ghosthorse involvement, which continues.

Search here on the various names
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php We have threads on most of these people and movements.


Jan Engels-Smith Education

Paul GhostHorse
Lowampi
2006 - 2012

Virginia Fidel
2005 - 2012

Eric Pearl
The Reconnection I, II, III masters
2010 - 2010

Jacquelyn Ellis
Sacred Dialogues
2010 - 2010

Colleen Benelli, Reiki Lifestyle
Karuna Reiki
2006 - 2006

Tom Cowan
Celtic Shamanism
2006 - 2006

Carlo Zumstein
Dream Path
2005 - 2005

Michael Harner
Ongoing Training
1994 - 2005

Bhola Banstola
Nepali Shamanism, Tibetan Shamanism
2004 - 2004

Buck GhostHorse
Personal teachings of the Lakota
1992 - 2004

https://rocketreach.co/jan-engels-smith-email_31473079

Jan Engels Smith, Paul Sahayda Ghosthorse, Leonard Albert Mattern Jr/Buck Ghosthorse have been in cahoots for awhile now. All based on Mattern's original fraud.

I've listened more closely to this podcast https://lightsong.libsyn.com/storytime-with-jan-how-i-met-buck-ghosthorse that I've also written about on the Mattern/Ghosthorse thread.

Linda Neale (author of "The Power of Ceremony: Restoring the Sacred in Our Selves, Our Families, Our Communities") recruited Jan Engels Smith to this cult, in Oregon.

Jan Engels Smith laughs the entire time as she describes abuse from Mattern/Ghosthorse. Around the 28 minute mark of podcast she says people get yelled at and slapped regularly. She knew to react in a submissive manner. Rules were extraordinarily strict. She says she got yelled at and slapped for things that she didn't even know were "wrong".

She says spirits hit them with rattles. Which means people were hitting devotees with rattles.

Jan Engels Smith speaks in a racist, patronizing, generalizing way about "native people".

She portrays herself as special and elite.

Lightsong School is merged with the Ghosthorse fraud. Paul Sahayda/Ghosthorse is doing ceremonies with them.

Her devotee of 20 years who talks with her in this podcast pours adoration on Jan Engels Smith and Jan revels in it.

This is all fraud. Abusive, false, elitist.

For an added bonus, Jan Engels Smith States that "Light Song" is an actual female entity here on earth.

Janice W. Engels-Smith was licensed as a Licensed Professional Counselor in Texas 1990 -2021.

She says she worked on a dissociative ward in Texas. She claims many of them were "satanically abused" and purposefully made into people with Dissociative Identity Disorder (she uses the older term "multiple personality disorder").

https://lightsong.libsyn.com/storytime-with-jan-how-i-was-tapped-on-the-shoulder

In 1993, Oregon Board of Licensed Professional Counselors and Therapists rejected her application for a license as a professional counselor, because Oregon licensing rules require more education and experience than Texas.

https://www.oregon.gov/oblpct/BoardAction/Engels-Smith.pdf

Quoteworking as both a licensed professional counselor and an energy healer

https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Yourself-Journey-Revised-Expanded/dp/1500854395

She is not licensed in Oregon. Her Texas license was not accepted in Oregon. I'm curious if she has misrepresented herself in Oregon.

Quote from: seekingtruth999 on January 16, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
https://www.newrenbooks.com/jan-engels-smith-interview

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The only page about Jan Engels-Smith on that domain is this post: https://www.newrenbooks.com/jan-engels-smith-dec-2018-1

In there is this link: http://janengelssmith.com/, which has not been mentioned in the thread before.

And from there is a link to her other site and her 'new book', which is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Through-Rabbit-Hole-Experience-Shamanic/dp/1505334926/

Quote from: Sparks on February 28, 2025, 12:18:23 AM
The only page about Jan Engels-Smith on that domain is this post: https://www.newrenbooks.com/jan-engels-smith-dec-2018-1

I just found another page there, with the same content: https://www.newrenbooks.com/calling-in-the-spirits

QuoteCalling in the Spirits:  Shamanic Gathering with Jan Engels-Smith
Jan Engels-Smith, Sun. Sept. 15, [2018] 6-7:30pm, $10
Have you ever felt the Shaman's call? The burning curiosity that there is something more to life, something unseen but unmistakably present, calling out to you to find it? Join Jan Engels-Smith as she "Calls in the Spirits" to have your questions answered. The spirits will speak to you directly in an undeniable experience of the invisible realms, and the wonder of the shamanic perspective will provide direction into your unhindered purpose and potential. We invite you to come and listen to what the spirits hold for you.

Jan Engels-Smith is the founder of LightSong School of 21st Century Shamanism and Energy Medicine. She is a leading expert in the field and shares her skills and experience through courses and ceremonies that promote personal growth, spiritual healing and training. Using energy medicine, shamanism and skills such as journeying, focusing the mind, self-discovery and spiritual practices, Jan has built not only a school, but a vibrant, active community of healers, seekers and well beings. If you live in the Portland area this a gift to have this extraordinary opportunity right in your backyard!   LightSong.net  JanEngelsSmith.com

The quoted text seems to be a sum-up of her past and present self-representation.