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Frauds / Re: Bruno Groening Circle Of Friends
« Last post by educatedindian on March 29, 2020, 08:37:09 pm »
Hello Everyone who is interested in truth about Bruno Groening,

1. I have actually joined this forum to be able to make this post as I was shocked by slander on this website, and which I think this group does not espouse.

There are many shocking defamatory claims posted by Ingeborg and I am surprised that they were allowed to be posted without anyone taking care to check their veracity.

2. First of all, if you want to understand who Bruno is you need to separate the current organization which teaches his teachings from Bruno Groening himself. Not doing so will only perpetuate the lies. Secondly, Bruno was not god and he never called himself as such. Yet he was and still is able to transmit much healing energy.

3. He made a terrible mistake of allowing a former Nazi concentration camp officer to become his manager and so was severely manipulated by Otto Mecklebur, an extremely dangerous and manipulative personality.

4. Due to manipulation by Mecklenburg, governments and many others, years of most injurious slander followed, which eventually killed Bruno. Bruno did not die of the tumor but this was put on the death certificate in order to not stir more opposition. The governments did everything in their whole might, just as now they are doing in the case of Julian Assage, to destroy a man who made the natural power of man to heal himself accessible.

5. As to the organization, to their credit, they never charge any money but you may contribute towards the cost of the room rental. They do much good and distribute books, CDs, and DVDs for free among the members. So everyone pays only if they can and when they can towards the common fund. I think it might be one of a few organizations in the world of this caliber which never charge money for anything.

6. Writing about masturbation, as Ingeborg had done, is one of the most shocking lies spread around the globe about someone who loved all humanity deeply and gave his life in the service of others. As for the money, Bruno never charged one single cent (pfennigs in German currency). He never used the donations for himself but was fed and clothed by friends. It was Mecklenburg who embezzled all the money while Bruno did not have enough to pay his lawyers.

7. There are many books online written about him, as well as some videos, and I advise anyone who loves truth to do serious research first before buying into the slander on this website.

With peace to all beings,

Betty

Hello Betty,
Glad to have you here. We always welcome further information. I added numbers to make it clearer what I'm asking.

I should note that this thread is now one of the top ranked sites on Groening in English.

First, are you giving a first hand account? Or are you speaking as a member of BGCOF?

1. There's nothing remotely slanderous or defamatory in what Ingeborg posted. On the contrary, we at NAFPS have known her for decades, and she is a careful and truthful and diligent researcher. We owe her a lot for her decades of free work for us, researching, writing, and translating.

Her writings were backed by numerous sources. So I believe you should apologize for your falsehoods about her.

2. The title of this research thread is pretty clear. At the same time, Groening himself clearly was a fraud. He could not heal, practiced medicine without a license, and endangered people with serious illnesses.

3. That's certainly worth noting. Do you have sources on this? It does say a lot about Groening's belief system and/or poor judgement in all things to work with a brutal war criminal.

4. Interesting conspiracy theory. Very common among supposed healers. Do you have any evidence?

5. They are listed as a for profit cult. Do you have any evidence of your claim? Do you speak as someone whose been part of or "healed" by BGCOF?

6. Again, what's your evidence?

7. Can you point to any not put out by the cult? The first 50 videos I found on him were all by BGCOF. All 45 books or DVDs on Groening I saw on Amazon, all of them high priced, were also put out by the cult. It's pretty clear they are extremely well funded and making quite a bit of money.
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Frauds / Re: Bruno Groening Circle Of Friends
« Last post by Betty13 on March 29, 2020, 02:07:49 pm »
Hello Everyone who is interested in truth about Bruno Groening,

I have actually joined this forum to be able to make this post as I was shocked by slander on this website, and which I think this group does not espouse.

There are many shocking defamatory claims posted by Ingeborg and I am surprised that they were allowed to be posted without anyone taking care to check their veracity.

First of all, if you want to understand who Bruno is you need to separate the current organization which teaches his teachings from Bruno Groening himself. Not doing so will only perpetuate the lies. Secondly, Bruno was not god and he never called himself as such. Yet he was and still is able to transmit much healing energy.

I would agree that there are some problems and sometimes too much control in the organization but Bruno himself sought only good and the wellbeing of his fellow human beings. He made a terrible mistake of allowing a former Nazi concentration camp officer to become his manager and so was severely manipulated by Otto Mecklebur, an extremely dangerous and manipulative personality. Due to manipulation by Mecklenburg, governments and many others, years of most injurious slander followed, which eventually killed Bruno. Bruno did not die of the tumor but this was put on the death certificate in order to not stir more opposition. The governments did everything in their whole might, just as now they are doing in the case of Julian Assage, to destroy a man who made the natural power of man to heal himself accessible.

As to the organization, to their credit, they never charge any money but you may contribute towards the cost of the room rental. They do much good and distribute books, CDs, and DVDs for free among the members. So everyone pays only if they can and when they can towards the common fund. I think it might be one of a few organizations in the world of this caliber which never charge money for anything.

Writing about masturbation, as Ingeborg had done, is one of the most shocking lies spread around the globe about someone who loved all humanity deeply and gave his life in the service of others. As for the money, Bruno never charged one single cent (pfennigs in German currency). He never used the donations for himself but was fed and clothed by friends. It was Mecklenburg who embezzled all the money while Bruno did not have enough to pay his lawyers.

There are many books online written about him, as well as some videos, and I advise anyone who loves truth to do serious research first before buying into the slander on this website.

With peace to all beings,

Betty
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Frauds / Re: ELIASE Yenageta AKA Eliase GRAYWOLF
« Last post by educatedindian on March 28, 2020, 12:17:11 am »
Empty threats from him, both legal and violent, but not credible. First him then my response.

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Eliase Graywolf <lakotahwarrior@gmail.com>

We are going to sue u for slander ......of our work .........we are going to hurt u & your family's when we are done with u u will have nothing left

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Amusing, and not remotely believable.

If you wish to make your case and give your side of it, go ahead. We will post anything you send, in full.

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u focus on hurting people for no reason  other then to cause  pian & hurt to others  u must not be in in a good way seeing how the red road is to bring others  together  u would know  this if u were  real  natives   witch u are  not.

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You seem to have trouble understanding.

How do you respond to the evidence that you are an Ethiopian imposter?

That you claim relatives you don't have and endorsement from Native leaders who never heard of you?

That you threaten critics. Your first message was an obvious threat of violence against us, including against our families. Not that it's credible.

And I'm unsure of what the poor spelling and grammar is supposed to prove besides making it clear English isn't your first language.
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Etcetera / Re: High Cheekbones and Straight Black Hair?
« Last post by Sparks on March 25, 2020, 04:47:34 pm »
Good article, and it also applies to white peoples claims of being "part Indian". Especially Cherokee, when their family, extended family and ancestors were no where near Oklahoma or any other Indian reservation. And of course there's the comment section with the very angry comments.
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Sorry, folks, but DNA don’t lie......click to read the rest http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2014/04/why_most_black_people_aren_t_part_indian.html

That link now yields a 404 (not found) error message. I found that the article has been moved and a "Editor's note" was added:

https://www.theroot.com/high-cheekbones-and-straight-black-hair-1790878167

The original comments mentioned by Diana are gone; now there is only one, more recent, comment. And the article is much longer than the bit quoted by Diana. This time, there is no "click to read the rest" link, it's all in one piece.
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Etcetera / Re: High Cheekbones and Straight Black Hair?
« Last post by Buffalo Ridge on March 25, 2020, 02:59:35 pm »
I think that the Federal Government just recognized several groups based on "High Cheekbones and Straight Black Hair". Their histories were pasted together because of their location and their ancestor's association with those areas, but nothing more. Their DNA does not support their claims much like the Lumbee. I've seen it FIRST hand.
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Frauds / Re: Mikinaks, Lise Brisebois
« Last post by Sparks on March 23, 2020, 01:22:49 am »
http://muskratmagazine.com/rampant-settler-self-indigenization-poses-threat-indigenous-peoples/
In an alarming new research paper, titled “White Settler Revisionism and Making Métis Everywhere”, Gaudry and Leroux describe the tendency for Canadians to identify as Indigenous based on distant ancestors uncovered through genealogical records. This process, which disregards kinship and the lived experiences of Indigenous peoples is referred to as ‘settler self-Indigenization’. The authors also identify several self-identified “Métis” organizations which have sprung up in areas where no Métis communities were historically present. These organizations have replicated colonialism by advocating publicly against the rights and interests of local Indigenous peoples …

As noted at the end of that article, these are the sources, well worth reading (downloadable PDF) and listening to (45 minutes audio):

https://www.academia.edu/33742034/White_Settler_Revisionism_and_Making_M%C3%A9tis_Everywhere

http://mediaindigena.libsyn.com/ep-72-white-settler-revisionism-and-making-mtis-everywhere-pt-1
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Frauds / Re: Mikinaks, Lise Brisebois
« Last post by Sparks on March 22, 2020, 04:40:29 pm »
http://www.akwesasne.ca/node/808 Mohawk Council Of Akwesasne Does Not Recognize Newly Formed "Mikinak Tribe"

That link now yields "404: Page not found", and searching the domain does not give any hits. I found the exact quote here:

http://www.ilrtoday.ca/mohawk-council-of-akwesasne-does-not-recognize-newly-formed-mikinak-tribe/
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Frauds / Coronavirus Fraudulent Treatments
« Last post by educatedindian on March 16, 2020, 09:33:24 pm »
This thread will be for all useless, or worse, outright dangerous treatments, remedies, products, and advice claiming to cure, prevent or aid those suffering from or worried about COVID19.

The CDC warnings on fake treatments list seven companies. Six of them target Nuagers, one aimed at fundamentalists.

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https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2020/03/ftc-fda-warnings-sent-sellers-scam-coronavirus-treatments

FTC & FDA: Warnings sent to sellers of scam Coronavirus treatments
March 9, 2020
by Colleen Tressler
Consumer Education Specialist, FTC
Last month, we cautioned you to be on the lookout for scammers taking advantage of fears surrounding the Coronavirus. Today, we have an update.

The FTC and FDA have jointly issued warning letters to seven sellers of unapproved and misbranded products, claiming they can treat or prevent the Coronavirus. The companies’ products include teas, essential oils, and colloidal silver. The FTC says the companies have no evidence to back up their claims — as required by law. The FDA says there are no approved vaccines, drugs or investigational products currently available to treat or prevent the virus.

The seven companies are:

Vital Silver
Aromatherapy Ltd.
N-ergetics
GuruNanda, LLC
Vivify Holistic Clinic
Herbal Amy LLC
The Jim Bakker Show


In part, the letters require the companies to notify the FTC within 48 hours of the specific actions they have taken to address the agency’s concerns. The FTC and FDA with follow up with companies that fail to make adequate corrections. Both agencies also will continue to monitor social media, online marketplaces and incoming complaints to help ensure that the companies do not continue to market fraudulent products under a different name or on another website....
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Member Introductions / Re: hello from a mishappen appalachian
« Last post by Sparks on March 15, 2020, 02:39:32 am »
I came here from googling Tiospaye, to see if I might be able to show up while I'm in the Durango area.

I found your other post in the "Tiospaye Durango, MakingRelatives.org, Della Romero" topic:

Yes, sometimes these groups have been picketed by Native activists. Sometimes there has been very direct, in-person, intervention to stop theses sorts of groups. Some of us here on this board have been involved in doing this over the decades.

Of course Indigenous people know they are frauds. It's only non-Natives who are fooled. It's actually very kind of the Native people who have stepped up to protect the nons who are being harmed.

It's not Indigenous people who are keeping these frauds in business. Yes, there are Native sellouts here and there that have allowed this to happen, but it's the fact non-Natives will pay for these fake teachings that keeps these scammers going. The thing is, there are so many of these frauds, and only so many of us who are willing to step up. It is hard, tiring work.

What generally happens with the groups that have lots of white followers and money, is they hold their events on private property. When Natives show up to protest, the workshop leaders and their white hosts call the cops. You know what is happening in America and Canada now when white people call the cops on Brown people.

Natives who have shown up to protest the theft of Indigenous ceremony have been assaulted by cops. They have been beaten and arrested for "trespassing". Just for showing up to talk to the frauds. The frauds have lied to the cops and claimed the Natives were drunk (they were not), they have claimed the Native protestors/protectors were violent (they were not). But guess who the white cops have believed?

There are events coming up this summer that will be protested, and and hopefully stopped. Every year some are chosen and targeted to be dealt with. But it's a matter of triage. There are way more white people who want to play Indian than there are people who can risk their lives and freedom to stop them.

What will you do to help stop it? Speaking up here is good. It is a great start, to help get the word out, and I thank you for that. But Natives are at very high risk for being murdered and imprisoned for doing this work. It can't all be on Natives. It also takes allies stepping up to stop exploiters, and to stop the many nuagers they know who line the exploiters pockets. Until that happens, these groups will continue to flourish.

Hello DefendtheSacred, my purpose in joining the forum was to ask how I may be able to show up and suport yall in person while I'm in Durango this summer. Not sure what exactly to say or ask except that.

Seems you got no response. What happened when you were in the Durango area last summer?
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Etcetera / Re: BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and Persons Of Color)
« Last post by Diana on March 09, 2020, 05:07:58 am »
You're right to be suspicious. As soon as I read the title I was immediately suspicious. Why are (sounds like a predominantly black group) these people including "Indigenous" into their fight? Indigenous people are 1percent of the entire population. Indians are unique and don't necessarily have the same problems as other minorities. Nor do other minorities rarely understand their situations or problems.

I also noticed this "Queering Herbalism-Black Indigenous POC" is this just another wannabe group trying to sneakily play Indian? They're not passing the smell test.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Sparks. Maybe BIPOC needs some looking into.
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