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#1
Research Needed / Re: thomas king (author)
Last post by educatedindian - April 29, 2026, 11:08:52 PM

QuoteMy thoughts on the Thomas King scandal
Posted on November 26, 2025 by Peggy Blair
Direct Link: https://peggyblair.wordpress.com/2025/11/26/my-thoughts-on-the-thomas-king-scandal/

....King writes in THE INCONVENIENT INDIAN about how the Cherokee Nation (there are actually three of them) has a set of fifteen very detailed historical rolls that establish Cherokee citizenship. He then criticizes the rolls as "self-serving and self-defeating" and incomplete. He is the only scholar I know of to do so.

....I think he should apologize to those Indigenous (and other) writers and scholars he displaced, and retract his erroneous statements about the validity of the Cherokee records.

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That first paragraph is either an amazing falsehood to try to gain favor with King critics, or more likely a sign of how little she knows about this matter. Rolls, and the Dawes Rolls in particular, are widely regarded as necessary evils at best, and more often as colonial constructs overcoming traditional ways of acknowledging who your people are or not. A hostile federal govt created them, and plenty of the Five Tribes were enrolled against their will. It was done primarily for allotment, to take away lands. Not protection, not to guard against pretenders, and not by the Five Tribes themselves.

Also look at the Cherokee and other Freedmen cases. Or the widespread criticism of how OK Gov Kevin Stitt had an ancestor who enrolled fraudulently.

So for that one matter, King has no reason to apologize. Thousands of people in Indian Country have similar public criticisms.
#2
Research Needed / Re: thomas king (author)
Last post by Advanced Smite - April 28, 2026, 04:32:00 PM
Peggy Blair, a Canadian author and attorney, wrote an assessment of the Thomas King situation on her blog. She deftly points out inconsistencies and contradictions in Thomas King's narrative.

QuoteMy thoughts on the Thomas King scandal
Posted on November 26, 2025 by Peggy Blair
Direct Link: https://peggyblair.wordpress.com/2025/11/26/my-thoughts-on-the-thomas-king-scandal/

I've been thinking about this business with Thomas King a lot. This was the week when he admitted he wasn't Cherokee at all.

First of all, I come from this as someone who is white and who has never pretended to be otherwise, although like King, I have a doctorate. His was in Indigenous studies. Both my LLM and LLD were in Indigenous law and legal history. But my engagement with First Nations started long before then. My father taught at non-residential Indian schools as a shop teacher. I spent my grade 10 as one of two white kids at a school in Masset, Queen Charlotte Islands, now known as Haida Gwaii. My classmates were people like Reggie Davidson and Jimmy Hart, who went on to become renowned carvers (Jimmy Hart is now the chief there).

As a lawyer I spent over 30 years working with First Nations on treaty cases, mostly around treaty fishing rights, always on the First Nation side, never for government. I was a policy advisor to the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples and to the Indian Claims Commission among others. I spent six or seven years as a senior adjudicator in the Indian residential school claims process hearing claims of horrific sexual and physical abuse before I burned out.

I wrote a critically-acclaimed book about the Williams Treaty process in Canada called LAMENT FOR A FIRST NATION and published dozens of peer-reviewed articles in law and historical journals. I taught as a sessional law professor at Queens and Ottawa U's Faculties of Law, but I could never get a position as an associate professor. This is because, as the Dean of Common Law at the University of Ottawa told me, I was "a white woman who wanted to teach Indigenous law."

By contrast, King, presenting as Cherokee, secured a position in Indigenous Studies in 1980 at the University of Alberta, and in 1995 at the University of Guelph. I don't know if he would have been hired if he had not been widely believed to be Cherokee. In 1980, which was the same year I graduated from the U of A with my LLB, there weren't many Indigenous scholars around with doctorates so I have to think his "Indigeneity" played a role. (As an aside, Olive Dickason, who I knew very well, was the first Indigenous scholar to graduate with a PhD in Indigenous History in Canada and she got hers in 1977.)

While it is possible that King's career would have been as distinguished had he not presented as Cherokee, I think it's unlikely.  THE INCONVENIENT INDIAN, published in 2012, examines relationships between Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples based on King's so-called lived experiences as an Indigenous person; it wouldn't have been published if the truth had been known. He won the RBC Taylor prize for it in 2014.

King writes in THE INCONVENIENT INDIAN about how the Cherokee Nation (there are actually three of them) has a set of fifteen very detailed historical rolls that establish Cherokee citizenship. He then criticizes the rolls as "self-serving and self-defeating" and incomplete. He is the only scholar I know of to do so. I'm aware of at least one instance where he was cited as a scholar challenging the accuracy and completeness of the rolls. This was when the identity of a visual artist whose ancestors were not on them, but who claimed to be Cherokee, was questioned. He was quoted as writing:

"Among the Cherokee, you have Cherokees who are Cherokee by blood and who have an ancestor on the required rolls, and you have Cherokee who are Cherokees by blood but whose ancestors are not listed on the required rolls. The one group is 'authentic.' The other group is not. To my way of thinking, such a distinction is self-serving and self-defeating at the same time."

I find it interesting, then, that according to the Globe and Mail story, when TAAF, the group that had examined King's background and determined that he was not in fact Cherokee, presented him with this genealogical information via a Zoom call, he immediately and readily agreed that it was conclusive. He admits he is not Cherokee.

King says he has no plans to apologize. He says he will surrender his Aboriginal Achievement Award but claims that his other accolades were based strictly on his own merits and had nothing to do with his ethnicity. He says his claim was based on a misunderstanding and not wilful misrepresentation. The most charitable interpretation I can come up with for his behaviour, however, is one of wilful blindness.

About ten years ago, I read a post by a highly regarded Cherokee genealogist who said then that he had examined the rolls and concluded that King had no connection to the Cherokee Nation. As noted, King wrote in detail about the rolls in THE INCONVENIENT INDIAN. I assume from what he wrote there that he had consulted them and didn't find a family connection and decided they must be incomplete, based on his family's oral history.

The Cherokee do not rely on oral history, however, because it is all too often unreliable. They do not rely on DNA tests either because those tests are so frequently wrong. Every time I hear about someone getting a DNA test to establish their "blood line" as Indigenous, I think of the Toronto man who sent in a sample of his girlfriend's dog's DNA and got a result back that said the dog was Indigenous. (Cree scholar Kim Tallbear has written about the problems with DNA to establish Indigeneity for decades: it's simply not useful.)

Being a member of a First Nation in Canada or a tribe in the U.S. isn't about which one you claim to belong to, it's about which nation or tribe claims you. The Cherokee have never accepted King's claims of kinship; as noted, one of their own genealogists expressly rebutted it.

Since the scandal erupted, I've seen people post things like, "I love his books anyway, so who cares?"

Well, I do. It's hurtful to the First Nations peoples who trusted him, who amplified his voice, and who took pride in the success of an Indigenous writer and scholar. He accepted awards that were intrinsically linked to his supposed cultural identity, not just his writing, and occupied positions that might have been filled by Indigenous scholars if not for his misrepresentation. His name has frequently appeared on lists of recommended books by Indigenous writers. He can't simply say that this was all about his writing, and has nothing to do with the identity he claimed.

Is it enough for him to say, "I believed what my mother told me"?

Perhaps up to a certain point, but not after he became an expert in the field. He knew what was required to verify if he was Cherokee or not. He should have done his homework and consulted the Cherokee rolls. If, as I suspect, he did, and discovered his father's ancestry wasn't on them, he should have admitted then that he might not be Cherokee instead of attacking the highly reliable records of the very nation he claimed to belong to.

There have been calls for accountability from King for over a decade. The fact that King is owning up now, and only after he was challenged by TAAF with irrefutable evidence, is the first step towards achieving that accountability, but there should be others. Among those, I think he should apologize to those Indigenous (and other) writers and scholars he displaced, and retract his erroneous statements about the validity of the Cherokee records.
#3
Frauds / Re: Nathan Chasing Horse / Nat...
Last post by Sandy S - April 28, 2026, 02:23:02 AM
Inmate search Clark County, NV http://redrock.clarkcountynv.gov/ccdcincustody/inCustodySearch.aspx

Nathan Chasing Horse, Inmate ID 08554768, since 1/31/2023
#4
Frauds / Re: Nathan Chasing Horse / Nat...
Last post by Sandy S - April 28, 2026, 01:57:30 AM
'Brainwashing': the shocking case of a Native American healer accused of sexual abuse

Nathan Chasing Horse, who had part in Dances with Wolves, accused in trial that spotlights influence of 'medicine men'

QuoteEventually, after becoming part of Chasing Horse's group, the Circle, attending healing ceremonies and surviving cancer, Leone started to see him as a messianic figure.

"He could say, ask or do anything, and there was no wrong," Leone said.

And that was where it all went bad.

More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/17/nathan-chasing-horse-actor-sexual-abuse-trial
#5
Frauds / Re: Nathan Chasing Horse / Nat...
Last post by Sandy S - April 28, 2026, 01:52:25 AM
Quote"We think it was very important to ensure that each victim was represented separate and distinct in the sentence," said Chief Deputy District Attorney William Rowles and Deputy District Attorney Bianca Pucci. "We are very happy the judge agreed with the assessment as each victim survived their own trauma. The defendant should be held accountable for each victim separately. We want to thank Judge Peterson for her professionalism throughout the trial, particularly in the way she conducted herself in balancing the rights of a defendant and the privacy rights of sexual assault survivors."

The Clark County District Attorney's Office argued for a sentence that reflected the severity of those crimes and the years-long pattern of exploitation presented at trial.

"This outcome reflects the strength of the victims who came forward, the tireless work of law enforcement, and all others involved," said Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson. "My office remains committed to protecting the most vulnerable members of our community."

QuoteChasing Horse will serve his sentence in the Nevada Department of Corrections. Should he be released in the future, he will be required to register as a sex offender under Nevada law.

Outside of Nevada, Chasing Horse also faces warrants for alleged crimes in Montana and Canada.

https://news3lv.com/news/local/nathan-chasing-horse-sentencing-sex-abuse-case-sexual-assault-crime-north-las-vegas-court-nevada-actor-dances-wolves-multiple-delays
#6
Frauds / Re: Nathan Chasing Horse / Nat...
Last post by Sandy S - April 28, 2026, 01:45:49 AM
Actor Nathan Chasing Horse sentenced to life in prison in Nevada for sexual assault
April 27, 2026 / 7:44 PM EDT / AP

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Nathan Chasing Horse has been sentenced to life in prison for sexually assaulting Indigenous women and girls.

A Nevada judge gave the "Dances With Wolves" actor his sentence Monday. A jury had previously convicted him of 13 charges, mostly related to sexual assault. He was accused by three women, including one who was 14 when the assaults began. He was acquitted on some charges.

Accusers and their families told Judge Jessica Peterson they continue to suffer from the trauma caused by Chasing Horse and struggle with their faith after he exploited his position as a spiritual leader.

Chasing Horse, wearing his navy blue Clark County Detention Center uniform, stared straight ahead as victims read their statements. He denied the charges against him.

"This is a miscarriage of justice," he told the judge on Monday.

Other charges in Canada are still pending
The sentencing wraps a yearslong effort to prosecute the former actor after he was first arrested and indicted in 2023. That initial arrest reverberated around Indian Country, with law enforcement in other states and Canada following up with more criminal charges. Those charges are still pending.

The British Columbia Prosecution Service said Chasing Horse was charged with sexual assault in February 2023, though the date of the alleged offense took place in September 2018 near Keremeos, a village about four hours east of Vancouver. In November 2023, the case paused due to Chasing Horse's charges in the United States, but resumed the following year.

After all of Chasing Horse's appeals have been exhausted, British Columbia prosecutors will assess next steps, Damienne Darby, communications counsel for the British Columbia Prosecution Service, said in an email.

A warrant against Chasing Horse remains outstanding in Alberta, the Tsuut'ina Nation Police Service in Alberta said in a statement following Chasing Horse's conviction in January. The Tsuut'ina Nation Police Service said that it is in contact with the Alberta Crown Prosecutors Office regarding the warrant.

January trial focuses on his role as spiritual leader
Chasing Horse was born on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota, which is home to the Sicangu Sioux, one of the seven tribes of the Lakota nation. Following his appearance as the young Sioux tribe member Smiles a Lot in Kevin Costner's Oscar-winning film "Dances With Wolves," Chasing Horse traveled across Indian Country to attend powwows and perform healing ceremonies.

During his trial, Nevada prosecutors said Chasing Horse used his reputation as a Lakota medicine man to prey on Indigenous women and girls.

Deputy District Attorney Bianca Pucci told the jury that for almost 20 years, Chasing Horse "spun a web of abuse" that ensnared many women.


Jurors heard from three women who said Chasing Horse sexually assaulted them. The jury returned guilty verdicts on some charges related to all three.

Multiple victims described how they participated in his ceremonies or went to Chasing Horse for medical help.

Corena Leone-LaCroix, one of the victims, was 14 in 2012 when Chasing Horse allegedly told her the spirits wanted her to give up her virginity to save her mother, who was diagnosed with cancer. He then sexually assaulted her and told her that if she told anyone, her mother would die, according to Pucci. The sexual assaults continued for years, Pucci said. The Associated Press typically does not use the name of alleged sexual assault victims unless they come forward publicly, as Leone-LaCroix has.

Chasing Horse denied the allegations and his attorney questioned the main accuser's credibility, calling her a "scorned woman." His attorney had filed a motion for a new trial, arguing that a witness was not qualified to talk about grooming and that the statute of limitations had expired. That motion was denied.

Victims and their family members testified that they struggle with their faith as a result of Chasing Horse's actions. The mothers of the victims said Chasing Horse betrayed their trust and abused sacred traditions.

"Even to this day I struggle to regain my faith and spirituality," a victim's mother said.

One victim said she still faces complications after suffering an ectopic pregnancy as a result of the assault and being forced to undergo surgery.


"I am choosing to see this moment as a fresh start. I will rebuild my life, reclaim my voice and continue fighting for the future I deserve," one victim said.

Dr. Crystal Lee, CEO and founder of the organization United Natives, which offers services to victims of sexual abuse, said she hopes the victims find peace with the sentencing. Lee said Chasing Horse's case shows the importance of holding high-profile perpetrators accountable, and believing the victims involved.

Chasing Horse used his status as an actor and medicine man to prey on victims, similarly to other faith leaders who abuse their power, Lee said.

"I think it makes us question who we trust and why we trust," Lee said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nathan-chasing-horse-nevada-sexual-assault-prison-sentence/
#7
Research Needed / Re: John Lowe, Professor UT Au...
Last post by Sandy S - April 26, 2026, 11:00:10 PM
QuoteHe is an enrolled member of the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama and the Lenape Indian Tribe of Delaware.

https://nursing.utexas.edu/faculty/john-lowe

Both the Echota Cherokee Tribe of Alabama, Inc. and Lenape Indian Tribe of Delaware, Inc. are state recognized, not federal.
#8
Research Needed / Re: Kai Pyle
Last post by Sandy S - April 26, 2026, 10:28:17 PM
What I would do:

If I thought I had Red River Métis ancestry, I'd have the needed genealogy work done: https://shsb.mb.ca/overview/?lang=en

If I thought I might be eligible for Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians membership, I'd apply: https://www.saulttribe.com/membership-services/tribal-enrollment

If I wanted to spend time on the Sault Tribe reservation and in community, I'd look for ways to do so: https://www.facebook.com/saulttribe I wouldn't expect a grant to pay me (?!) since my goal would be to socialize, volunteer, maybe make some friends.

I wouldn't expect anyone to fawn over me. I'd accept the fact that maybe I'm not eligible for enrollment.

If I thought I had distant heritage I'd accept that this isn't necessarily a big deal and that I could be wrong.

I wouldn't be posting confusing claims about my heritage online about this, I'd just do the work.
#9
Research Needed / Re: Kai Pyle
Last post by Sandy S - April 21, 2026, 04:50:15 PM
"though I'm still trying to locate the last doc I would need to get enrolled"

This is ridiculous.

Dr. Pyle needs to stop flailing and connect up with wherever they believe they can be enrolled https://www.saulttribe.com/membership-services/tribal-enrollment

For their entire genealogy they need to pay for professional genealogy, for instance through an organization like this: https://members.apgen.org/members/directory/search_APG.php?org_id=APG 

Dr. Pyle needs to do the actual work. Stop talking at us, do the work.
#10
Research Needed / Re: Kai Pyle
Last post by Advanced Smite - April 21, 2026, 02:58:05 AM
Kai Pyle (KP) posted on Tumblr about the NAFPS thread. Screenshots of that Tumblr post are attached. KP listed three issues with the genealogy that's been posted here. I've responded to each of these issues below.


Quotea) at least one ancestral line that was missed entirely

If KP is inferring the Sophia Douville line was left out accidentally, it wasn't. It was actually left out intentionally as only the genealogy necessary to verify KP's specific claims has been posted. This was clearly stated in my first post:

Quote from: Advanced Smite on March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMDisclaimer
All of this research was done using publicly available information. It is my opinion. There is a lack of clarity on some lines that could lead to a Native American ancestor. The purpose of this research was to verify KP's specific claims - not to find distant ancestry. Please forgive any typos - this was prepared quickly and I couldn't find spell check in the new forum format.

There are several Ancestry.com users that believe Sophia Douville's mother was Menominee. While that information would explain KP's tweet about an ancestor receiving annuity payments from the Treaty of Lake Poygan, it doesn't explain why:

- KP claims to be a Sault Ste Marie descendant through Mrs. Battise Plant.
- KP claims their paternal grandmother's mother was Red River Metis.

If Sophia Douville's mother was Menominee, it raises an even more interesting question - why does KP claim to be a Sault Ste Marie and Red River Metis descendant (see below) instead of Menominee?

QuoteAs a Red River Métis and Sault Ste. Marie Ojibwe descendant, I am also interested in how present-day queer, trans, and Two-Spirit Indigenous people make connections with these ancestral legacies.

Source: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Direct Link: https://gws.wisc.edu/staff/pyle-kai/
Archive Link: https://archive.ph/CoHbQ


Quoteb) another line that clearly shows my ancestors as Halfbreeds which has been deemed unreliable for unclear reasons

This is quite disingenuous. KP says the "line" was "deemed unreliable for unclear reasons" which isn't true. One type of record, the Wisconsin birth record, identifies KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings as half breeds. I called it an "anomaly" because other records reviewed identify KP's 3x great-grandfather AND his parents as "white."

I was completely transparent about the existence of this documentation and candid about not having an explanation.

I never said it was unreliable BUT it is one record.

I would never say someone isn't Native American based on their family being documented as "white" on one record. Conversely, I would never say someone is Sault Ste Marie or Red River Metis based on a 3x great-grandfather being identified as a "half breed" on one record.

There has to be more documentation than just the Wisconsin birth record that leads KP to believe their 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, is Sault Ste Marie. What is it?

Quote from: Advanced Smite on March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMIn my opinion, there are reasons to question KP's claims. At the same time, I want to be clear that it's possible KP may have distant Native American (NA) ancestry. An anomaly in the documentation is that KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings are marked as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records. I will provide one potential theory below. I want to be transparent up front about that information but emphasize there are big issues with KP's claims. KP has made very specific claims to being Sault Ste Marie and Metis on social media that don't appear to hold up to scrutiny.

...

It's interesting that KP's 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, and his siblings are listed as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records when records from the previous generation don't seem to corroborate this. Alexander LaPlante's oldest sibling was born in 1835 while he was born in 1848. The 1836 Chippewa and Ottawa Treaty coincided with the birth of Alexander's older sister. $150,000 was negotiated by the tribes for their half breed family members. It was widely covered in the news and fraudulent applications were received. I checked the 1836 Half Breed Payment Roll (those accepted) and didn't find any of KP's ancestors. Some people have tried to link a "Catherine Brodwine" as Alexander's mother...but none of the demographic information matches. I can't definitively explain the birth record anomaly, but the timing is interesting. I'd love it if someone can provide a more definitive answer. The Litte Chute Historical Society has more information about this line: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I423802&tree=lc


Quotec) some information which just does not match up with the info and documentation I have

If KP has additional documentation that supports their claims, I will gladly request a NAFPS moderator move this thread to "Non Frauds."