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Frauds / Re: George Price & Quaker Sweatlodge
« Last post by Sparks on September 02, 2021, 01:33:07 am »
The topic of this thread was mentioned by a new member a few months ago, so I'll update here:

I'm involved with Quakers who I know don't have a great reputation in some circles. I had heard about the dreadful Quaker guy over in the USA who was running "Quaker Sweatlodge" and wouldn't stop even when asked, even before I found the thread here http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=859.0. Also I have heard of Chuck Fager, who was a vocal supporter of the "sweatlodge guy" :-[. Anyway, I hope Quakers over here in England are not all like those guys. I know a few Quakers in the USA by email so may be able to ask connections to find out something if Quakers over there are misbehaving still/again at any point.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/quakersweat/

That group is now private (closed) (410 members), and the only text visible as of today is exactly the same as shown in Smart Mule's first screenshot of March 27, 2019. Also quoted in extenso by educatedindian later the same day.

So I guess nothing has changed. "Business as usual"? — Or maybe not?:

http://www.quakersweat.org

That site is gone. Good thing we have quotes in the thread, telling us what it was about. Also, the site was preserved three times in 2008, here is the last one:

https://web.archive.org/web/20081119152255/http://www.quakersweat.org/

For the record (and for those interested in the development of things), I found two long discussions and comments from 2004 that are not mentioned here before:

https://kitenet.net/pipermail/sayma/2004-October.txt
https://www.quakerranter.org/we_quakers_should_be_cooler_th/
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Research Needed / Re: Roy Barnes
« Last post by Karoniaa on August 30, 2021, 06:28:45 am »
Anything Roy claims to have gotten from William commanda is a bold face lie......william did not do sundances....he knew it was not his way and he respected that way was ceremony from the west....having said that why would he sanction a white boy to do this ceremony ..... It just doesn't make sense......many who attended Williams gathering over the years past are now dropping his name for their own fraudulent purposes since grandfather has passed on ..... RIP Shomis..........and he is no longer here physically to defend his name.......so if Roy is so called native where is he from?  Which nation does he associate with?  Do they know he took Lakota ceremony as his own....got himself a pipe....etc....and from what I witnessed he did not have any elder teach him....he took by observation.....now heres a kicker for you.....he married a lady from Massachusetts, he met this lady at Williams gathering, she attended a sweat lodge.....when he tried to cross the border with her to go to Massachusetts , border patrol ran his name and came up with a red flag on his name.....he wasn't allowed in the states he was turned back because he had a criminal record for being arrested for drug possession.....so if this one person defending him in this thread had any real weight to carry about Roy......many questions would be asked, and if Roy was honest he would the answers and proof to back himself up...for Roy to keep these things hidden....puts up a big red flag ......question me about anything and I will speak my truth....i have nothing to hide......if someone goes on the defensive by the truth I share here....it only tells and shows me who you are and gullible one may be.....and thats what is deemed a follower.....Miye
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Research Needed / Re: Odyssey of the 8th Fire
« Last post by Karoniaa on August 30, 2021, 05:57:01 am »
Be vigilante as well about Claude aubin......he is another fraudster hiding behind and actual organization.....he also claimed to be from odanak.....then from east the mic macs .....that article I also read I need to find but also burned bridges with the same elders I spoke about as Tom did.....you getting the info first hand because I was there to witness it...
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Research Needed / Re: Odyssey of the 8th Fire
« Last post by Karoniaa on August 30, 2021, 05:52:04 am »
Tom Dostou is as big a fraud as they come,  one of his kids had wrote and I will use her exact words in describing him
"My dad Tom is full of shit, is white as they come, he does not belong or is native at all, don't believe anything he says about what he claims about himself"  So, I need to go back and find that article where she speaks out.  He has a militant behavior, he talked about bringing guns to Canada through his connections in the states. Now I have known of this man since I first met him way back in 2000, his fraud of what he claimed was questioned by respected elders at a gathering, he could not answer but got angry and went ballistic on this elder.....from then on they were on to him and what he was doing, so he latched on to the St. Onge twins Omar and Leo.....since then that is who he associates with.....now this man has a long history of sexually abusing women......when we met Tom in Massachusetts he was married to a Japanese woman (he later divorced) she confided in us that he sexually abused her daughter.....he met another Japanese woman.....and the saga continues.....his other downfall was using these rich women for their money......and so he has burned many bridges along the way leaving a long line of abused women behind.....careful he is a con artist and has been in prison.....yes he is a jailbird from somewhere in the states, I could go on and on of many first hand stories of this fraud........proof is in the pudding.....but I need to find the links to share
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Frauds / Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Last post by Karoniaa on August 30, 2021, 03:57:45 am »
I know this man....he married marlan kane from my Mohawk community and before he got married I met him at William commandas home.....we said around talking it was in winter and he had an ignorant, sarcastic demeaner towards woman, when I questioned him he basically waved me off with his arm and disregarded my question, William and Frank were not impressed with him, I got really bad vibes off him.....later about 2years later then I heard he married Marlan......if she was quoted as saying "if you have Indian blood, you have more than sequoyah ". She was right because later what we found out about him being a fraud , he wife in not so many words confirms it.........then it was brought to our attention their troubled marriage ...... Of him using her for his own benefit.......mainly money......and at the time I write this , they moved to her community where no one knows him so he could continue scamming the people......
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Frauds / Re: Francis Talbot AKA Medicine Story AKA Manitonquat
« Last post by Karoniaa on August 30, 2021, 02:22:47 am »
Pfffft.  I was at a gathering many years ago with real medicine elders and watched this man speak jibberish thinking he knew real teachings and the real elders that were there he put down, he was never editor of Akwesasne times, I know who the editors were.....then he got so mad for being challenged by the real medicine elders he packed up n left the gathering......now isn't that an admission of guilt, to run ..... If he was true to who he said he was he wouldn't run out of fear of being exposed to his fraud by the real Anishinabeg.
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Frauds / Re: Francine Payer
« Last post by Karoniaa on August 30, 2021, 01:32:23 am »
Yes, she is a fraud who recently got fired from a school teaching false teachings to native students, the parents of these native students approached the principal and questioned why they hired a fraud, then they fired her......this being the second school she pulled the wool over their eyes...........her website is bull crap .....I know because my granddaughter was one of those students.

And if she wants to come on here and challenge this post and me, I welcome it because I am the real deal in my community, Miye
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Research Needed / Re: Pat McCabe Weyakpa Najin Win (Woman Stands Shining)
« Last post by cellophane on August 25, 2021, 07:17:58 am »
(I Should have read upthread so as not to repeat things.)
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Research Needed / Re: Pat McCabe Weyakpa Najin Win (Woman Stands Shining)
« Last post by cellophane on August 25, 2021, 07:14:43 am »
This is an interview with her:
https://www.dumbofeather.com/conversations/pat-mccabe-is-a-voice-for-peace/

According to which, this seems to be her father:
http://obits.abqjournal.com/obits/show/167653
https://www.bia.gov/as-ia/opa/online-press-release/mccabe-named-president-indian-technical-school

The name Weyakpa Najin Win sounds like it might be Lakota. Someone else would know better.
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Research Needed / Re: Pat McCabe Weyakpa Najin Win (Woman Stands Shining)
« Last post by Sparks on August 22, 2021, 11:12:36 pm »
I found her in company with some frauds (i.e. Jim Graywolf Petruzzi , Itzhak Beery, Elizabeth Jenkins), and then some people I never heard about before (some of them to be researched):

https://www.sacredearthactivism.org/conference-2021
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Pat McCabe - The Female of our Kind: Holy Earth Surface Walker, Life-Bringer, Life-Bearer, Standing with Life, as Life.

Pat McCabe (Weyakpa Najin Win, Woman Stands Shining) is a Diné (Navajo) grandmother, activist, artist, writer, ceremonial leader, and international speaker. She is a global voice for peace and draws upon the Indigenous sciences of Thriving Life to reframe questions about sustainability and balance, and she is devoted to supporting the next generations, Women’s Nation and Men’s Nation, in being functional members of the “Hoop of Life” and upholding the honor of being human

It is an honour to welcome Weyakpa Najin Win at the Sacred Earth Activism gathering. About her subject she says ”As the female of our kind, I stand with the full authority of the Mother Earth to speak on behalf of Life. It is my place to ask: Are we placing Life at the center? Are we placing it at the center of our actions, our decisions, our plans?”  Website

The website linked to: https://www.patmccabe.net/
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Pat McCabe (Weyakpa Najin Win, Woman Stands Shining) is a Diné (Navajo) mother, grandmother, activist, artist, writer, ceremonial leader, and international speaker. She is a voice for global peace, and her paintings are created as tools for individual, earth and global healing. She draws upon the Indigenous sciences of Thriving Life to reframe questions about sustainability and balance, and she is devoted to supporting the next generations, Women’s Nation and Men’s Nation, in being functional members of the “Hoop of Life” and upholding the honor of being human.

Her primary work at the moment is:
• The reconciliation between the masculine and feminine, Men's Nation and Women's Nation
• Remembering, recreating or creating anew a narrative for the Sacred Masculine
• Addressing the Archetypal Wounding that occurred in our misunderstanding and abuse of technology in prayer, ceremony and science
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