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#1
Research Needed / Re: Marshall "Dancing Elk" Luc...
Last post by educatedindian - January 01, 2026, 01:12:17 AM"Pre Jesuit" meaning they were supposedly around before Jesuits arrived in the 17th century? Seems strange to emphasize though. The first missionaries or whites their alleged ancestors would have met would likely have been Protestant.
I've never seen feathers that look off yellow like that. They don't seem to be eagle, hawk, or turkey. Or could very old ones turn that color, or ones that were treated...
ESCIUT has its own documented problems with their claims, but they're not as out there as Lucas's group.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Cherokee,_Southern_Iroquois,_and_United_Tribes_of_South_Carolina
"The ECSIUT was originally founded as a Cherokee heritage group in 1997, including Native Americans and individuals from other ethnic backgrounds, without requiring ancestral or blood relation among members.[1][2][3]
Gene Crediford, who photographed and interviewed various groups in South Carolina from the 1980s through the 2000s, has noted that Columbia, South Carolina, where the ECSIUT was founded, lacked central communal organization in modern history and had been historically associated with Cofitachequi rather than the Cherokee people.[22] He concluded that the ECSIUT, like the Midlands Intertribal Empowerment Group (MIEG) from which it evolved, represented recently formed urban groups rather than "traditional communities."[12] Similarly, Wes Taukchiray, writing fifteen years earlier with Alice Kasakoff in 1992, observed that while Cherokee heritage groups were forming near Greenville and Spartanburg, their members could not trace descent to historically documented Indigenous communities in the state, all of which being located in the South Carolina Lowcountry.[23] Crediford has noted that some individuals with ambiguous ancestry often identify as "Cherokee," regarding the term to be synonymous with "Indian."[22]" -quoted as of 12-31-25.
I've never seen feathers that look off yellow like that. They don't seem to be eagle, hawk, or turkey. Or could very old ones turn that color, or ones that were treated...
ESCIUT has its own documented problems with their claims, but they're not as out there as Lucas's group.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Cherokee,_Southern_Iroquois,_and_United_Tribes_of_South_Carolina
"The ECSIUT was originally founded as a Cherokee heritage group in 1997, including Native Americans and individuals from other ethnic backgrounds, without requiring ancestral or blood relation among members.[1][2][3]
Gene Crediford, who photographed and interviewed various groups in South Carolina from the 1980s through the 2000s, has noted that Columbia, South Carolina, where the ECSIUT was founded, lacked central communal organization in modern history and had been historically associated with Cofitachequi rather than the Cherokee people.[22] He concluded that the ECSIUT, like the Midlands Intertribal Empowerment Group (MIEG) from which it evolved, represented recently formed urban groups rather than "traditional communities."[12] Similarly, Wes Taukchiray, writing fifteen years earlier with Alice Kasakoff in 1992, observed that while Cherokee heritage groups were forming near Greenville and Spartanburg, their members could not trace descent to historically documented Indigenous communities in the state, all of which being located in the South Carolina Lowcountry.[23] Crediford has noted that some individuals with ambiguous ancestry often identify as "Cherokee," regarding the term to be synonymous with "Indian."[22]" -quoted as of 12-31-25.
#2
Research Needed / Re: Marshall "Dancing Elk" Luc...
Last post by Sandy S - December 31, 2025, 03:17:57 AMAccording to records uploaded to a crowd sourced family tree, everyone in censuses is listed "mulatto". All the way back, quite a few generations, to a slave owner who was born in England.
But this isn't professional genealogy. He'd need to pay a pro.
Everything he claims looks invented. He is performing, acting.
But this isn't professional genealogy. He'd need to pay a pro.
Everything he claims looks invented. He is performing, acting.
#3
Research Needed / Re: Marshall "Dancing Elk" Luc...
Last post by Sandy S - December 31, 2025, 12:02:24 AMSome beginning genealogy leads here:
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dispatch/name/maxine-howard-obituary?id=28779586
I used some social media leads also to figure this out.
Marshall "Dancing Elk" Lucas, "Great Elk Dancer"
his mother Shawna Burkham
maternal grandparents Maxine M. (Adams) Howard https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47841207/maxine-m-howard and Marshall Andrew Howard https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47841191/marshall_a-howard
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http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/public-documents/146-1860-preston-county-census-indian
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I don't really understand what he is saying here. But I do see a Mayle in a crowd sourced genealogy of his maternal grandmother. Crowd sourced and online meaning it easily could be inaccurate. Even if everything is backed up with records that does not prove his claims.
His emphasis on "core family group" leads people to believe that if they have a surname on the claimed list that they then are members of this "tribe".
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"Tribal offices located in Logan, Ohio. United States, "Turtle Island".
Inherent Sovereign Government
Affiliated with the Escuit, S.C.
Over 30,000 members
Pre United States Constitution
We do not recognize the authority of Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Conducting Business as a self sustaining people."
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/facts
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(ESCIUT https://cherokeeofsc.com/ , not federally recognized)
30 thou members? The Notoweega FB page has 923 followers.
As Dancing Elk he has about 4 thou followers. Marshall Dancing Elk Lucas on Instagram has 361 followers.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dispatch/name/maxine-howard-obituary?id=28779586
I used some social media leads also to figure this out.
Marshall "Dancing Elk" Lucas, "Great Elk Dancer"
his mother Shawna Burkham
maternal grandparents Maxine M. (Adams) Howard https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47841207/maxine-m-howard and Marshall Andrew Howard https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47841191/marshall_a-howard
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QuoteWe are one of the few Nations, whom has a core family group (Mayle, Mail, Male) is listed on a federal census that is not an specific Indian Census or Roll. By 1837, 46,000 Native Americans from these southeastern states had been removed from their homelands, ours, never left the bones of our Ancestors
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/public-documents/146-1860-preston-county-census-indian
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I don't really understand what he is saying here. But I do see a Mayle in a crowd sourced genealogy of his maternal grandmother. Crowd sourced and online meaning it easily could be inaccurate. Even if everything is backed up with records that does not prove his claims.
His emphasis on "core family group" leads people to believe that if they have a surname on the claimed list that they then are members of this "tribe".
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"Tribal offices located in Logan, Ohio. United States, "Turtle Island".
Inherent Sovereign Government
Affiliated with the Escuit, S.C.
Over 30,000 members
Pre United States Constitution
We do not recognize the authority of Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Conducting Business as a self sustaining people."
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/facts
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(ESCIUT https://cherokeeofsc.com/ , not federally recognized)
30 thou members? The Notoweega FB page has 923 followers.
As Dancing Elk he has about 4 thou followers. Marshall Dancing Elk Lucas on Instagram has 361 followers.
#4
Research Needed / Re: Marshall "Dancing Elk" Luc...
Last post by Sandy S - December 30, 2025, 09:10:30 PMIn the initial articles of incorporation, 2002 for Notoweega Nation Inc. the purpose of corporation is "To preserve Native American Culture, History, Languages and to educate the population at large of Native Traditions."
Directors:
Sharon 'Mide" Land
Marshall "Dancing Elk" Lucas
Sylvester Myrick (Raven/Fox)
The form is filled out by several people, all handwritten, I may have some spelling wrong.
Directors:
Sharon 'Mide" Land
Marshall "Dancing Elk" Lucas
Sylvester Myrick (Raven/Fox)
The form is filled out by several people, all handwritten, I may have some spelling wrong.
#5
Research Needed / Re: Marshall "Dancing Elk" Luc...
Last post by Sandy S - December 30, 2025, 07:36:42 PMMarshall Wayne Lucas, born 1961.
Active Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancing.elk.3
Name of business is Notoweega Nation Inc. First filed in Ohio in 2002. Search here: https://businesssearch.ohiosos.gov/
They received USDA funds for a Notoweega Nation Beekeepers Training Program to maintain bees in "the tribally designated jurisdictional area of the Notoweega Nation".
I'm curious what kind of feathers shown in this photo of him. He's holding one and looks like at least one in his hair. https://www.logandaily.com/news/lucas-given-probation-in-illegal-gambling-case/article_d3fd6c10-84de-559d-9bf9-212bbd18eec5.html
"Notoweega Nation - A Pre -Jesuit, Pre - U.S. Constitution, Tribal Government" https://www.facebook.com/NotoweegaNation
Active Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancing.elk.3
Name of business is Notoweega Nation Inc. First filed in Ohio in 2002. Search here: https://businesssearch.ohiosos.gov/
They received USDA funds for a Notoweega Nation Beekeepers Training Program to maintain bees in "the tribally designated jurisdictional area of the Notoweega Nation".
I'm curious what kind of feathers shown in this photo of him. He's holding one and looks like at least one in his hair. https://www.logandaily.com/news/lucas-given-probation-in-illegal-gambling-case/article_d3fd6c10-84de-559d-9bf9-212bbd18eec5.html
"Notoweega Nation - A Pre -Jesuit, Pre - U.S. Constitution, Tribal Government" https://www.facebook.com/NotoweegaNation
#6
Research Needed / Re: Marshall "Dancing Elk" Luc...
Last post by educatedindian - December 30, 2025, 02:04:17 AMLucas is their chief as well as an actor. Whether he or they are legit are completely tied together. Here's what their site says:
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http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/about-us
he Notoweega or Norwards, also known as, Andatses, Hurons, Susquehannocks and Mingos, are an inter-tribal grouping of Southeastern tribes, that were one fire with the Delaware, Iroqouis, and warred Tutelo/Catawba/Saponi's of South Carolina and Virginia. The Notoweega consisted of mainly, the Cusabo(Wapoo), Nottoway, Shawnee(Showanose), Meherrins, Cherokee(Tsalagi), Delaware(Lenape), Conastogas, Tuscaroroa's, Mingo-Seneca and eventually the Tutelo, Saponi, Catawba.
Through, war disease, and intermarriage, the various tribes banded together to retain their culture, land and traditions....
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Some of those are very distinct from each other, and some are still very much around. Mingos mostly became the Seneca Cayuse. Huron mostly became Wyandotte. Susquehannock and Andatses were wiped out, extinct. And that sentence "The Notoweega consisted..." goes on to list one people after another I think wpuld be very surprised to hear they are or were part of this group.
The group calling itself Notoweega seems to have only been around a few decades. They didn't file for state recognition until 2012, federal earlier. Then there's this:
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http://notoweeganation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=edit&id=116[
Retired Hereditary Chief of the Notowega Band of Chickamauga Creeks
Written by Sachem Great Elk Dancer Published in Hereditary Sachems
Was Head & Hereditary Sachem of the Chigamaugua Notoweega Creeks, whose Councils at the time were held in Staten Island, N.Y. until the year 2000. He was the signer of our Federal Petition with the United States Government. The Council was then moved to the ancestral homelands of the Ohio Valley under then, New Principle Sachem Sylvester Myrick and Original Council Member, War Sachem Great Elk Dancer For His Elk Nation.
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So the "tribe" was based in NYC because one leader lived there? Then they all declared themselves moved to Ohio. And at one point they petitioned Maryland for state recognition.
Lucas has been pretty active. He tried to have a casino in Ohio which was also accused of being a head shop, selling marijuana paraphernalia. I don't support the War on Drugs by any means, but doing this is just asking for people to consider your group a bunch of flakes.
Then he tried an online casino. He's filed suit against the city of Logan, state of Ohio, and federal gov't. You can find the long list of news accounts about that on their own site, alongside cultural events.
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/news/notoweega-news
Not sure how many are part of this group. FB page lists 923 followers, but in the photos you rarely see more than a few together. Their supposed tribal forum is really empty.
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/forum/index
There are several online obituaries for members who passed on who are listed as chiefs or other ranks. Can't help notice many mixed ancestry Black people. There are references to Notoweega as Qarsherskiy. Looking that up turns up this site and others:
https://qarsherskiy.simdif.com/faqs.html
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Draft:Qarsherskiyans
https://www.instagram.com/qarsherskiy/
https://www.waivio.com/@koudeiland4news/islamic-sultanate-of-qarsherskiy
And dozens more.
Describing themselves as mixed race Creoles, Muslims and others. There was a strange offshoot, a supposed sultanate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/micronations/comments/1mdsia9/the_dark_truth_about_the_islamic_sultanate_of/
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http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/about-us
he Notoweega or Norwards, also known as, Andatses, Hurons, Susquehannocks and Mingos, are an inter-tribal grouping of Southeastern tribes, that were one fire with the Delaware, Iroqouis, and warred Tutelo/Catawba/Saponi's of South Carolina and Virginia. The Notoweega consisted of mainly, the Cusabo(Wapoo), Nottoway, Shawnee(Showanose), Meherrins, Cherokee(Tsalagi), Delaware(Lenape), Conastogas, Tuscaroroa's, Mingo-Seneca and eventually the Tutelo, Saponi, Catawba.
Through, war disease, and intermarriage, the various tribes banded together to retain their culture, land and traditions....
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Some of those are very distinct from each other, and some are still very much around. Mingos mostly became the Seneca Cayuse. Huron mostly became Wyandotte. Susquehannock and Andatses were wiped out, extinct. And that sentence "The Notoweega consisted..." goes on to list one people after another I think wpuld be very surprised to hear they are or were part of this group.
The group calling itself Notoweega seems to have only been around a few decades. They didn't file for state recognition until 2012, federal earlier. Then there's this:
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http://notoweeganation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=edit&id=116[
Retired Hereditary Chief of the Notowega Band of Chickamauga Creeks
Written by Sachem Great Elk Dancer Published in Hereditary Sachems
Was Head & Hereditary Sachem of the Chigamaugua Notoweega Creeks, whose Councils at the time were held in Staten Island, N.Y. until the year 2000. He was the signer of our Federal Petition with the United States Government. The Council was then moved to the ancestral homelands of the Ohio Valley under then, New Principle Sachem Sylvester Myrick and Original Council Member, War Sachem Great Elk Dancer For His Elk Nation.
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So the "tribe" was based in NYC because one leader lived there? Then they all declared themselves moved to Ohio. And at one point they petitioned Maryland for state recognition.
Lucas has been pretty active. He tried to have a casino in Ohio which was also accused of being a head shop, selling marijuana paraphernalia. I don't support the War on Drugs by any means, but doing this is just asking for people to consider your group a bunch of flakes.
Then he tried an online casino. He's filed suit against the city of Logan, state of Ohio, and federal gov't. You can find the long list of news accounts about that on their own site, alongside cultural events.
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/news/notoweega-news
Not sure how many are part of this group. FB page lists 923 followers, but in the photos you rarely see more than a few together. Their supposed tribal forum is really empty.
http://notoweeganation.org/index.php/forum/index
There are several online obituaries for members who passed on who are listed as chiefs or other ranks. Can't help notice many mixed ancestry Black people. There are references to Notoweega as Qarsherskiy. Looking that up turns up this site and others:
https://qarsherskiy.simdif.com/faqs.html
https://micronations.wiki/wiki/Draft:Qarsherskiyans
https://www.instagram.com/qarsherskiy/
https://www.waivio.com/@koudeiland4news/islamic-sultanate-of-qarsherskiy
And dozens more.
Describing themselves as mixed race Creoles, Muslims and others. There was a strange offshoot, a supposed sultanate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/micronations/comments/1mdsia9/the_dark_truth_about_the_islamic_sultanate_of/
#7
Research Needed / Marshall "Dancing Elk" Lucas/N...
Last post by milehighsalute - December 29, 2025, 06:49:29 PMNot sure where to put this
I think we need a section for artists (that include authors, actors too) passing themselves off as native and also fake tribes
This relatively unknown actor.....probably slightly less known as jai janini popped up....i read his bio then read his "tribal history" and yep it screams fake
I also cracked up reading that the notoweega were formed in ohio and warred with tribes down in south carolina? Woodland tribes werent known for being nomadic right?
They applied for state recognition in 2022
I think we need a section for artists (that include authors, actors too) passing themselves off as native and also fake tribes
This relatively unknown actor.....probably slightly less known as jai janini popped up....i read his bio then read his "tribal history" and yep it screams fake
I also cracked up reading that the notoweega were formed in ohio and warred with tribes down in south carolina? Woodland tribes werent known for being nomadic right?
They applied for state recognition in 2022
#8
Etcetera / Re: lumbees and trump
Last post by milehighsalute - December 29, 2025, 06:38:32 PMSo yep the hobbyist tribe got federally recognized
What could go wrong?
What could go wrong?
#9
Etcetera / Re: Lumbees and Trump
Last post by Sparks - December 18, 2025, 11:30:58 PMhttps://nativenewsonline.net/sovereignty/breaking-lumbee-tribe-set-for-federal-recognition-under-ndaa-passed-by-senate
QuoteBreaking: Lumbee Tribe Set for Federal Recognition Under NDAA Passed by Senate
By Levi Rickert December 17, 2025
The Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina is set to gain federal recognition once President Donald Trump signs the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for fiscal year 2026 into law.
The U.S. Senate on Wednesday passed the $900 billion defense policy package, a 3,086-page bill, sending it to the president's desk. The measure cleared the chamber with strong bipartisan support by a 77–20 vote.
Following the vote, Lumbee Tribe Chairman John Lowery met with his tribal council and tribal citizens who traveled to Washington on Tuesday to witness the historic moment.
Lowery, who became chairman of the tribe in 2022, grew emotional as he reflected on the milestone, noting his only regret was that his father, Eddie Lowery, was not there to see it. Eddie Lowery died Dec. 31, 2024.
The Lumbee Tribe has been seeking recognition since at least the 1880s, and full federal recognition for nearly 70 years since the 1956 Lumbee Act. The Lumbee Tribe counts about 50,000 members, a figure that would make it the largest federally recognized tribe east of the Mississippi River.
Under the legislation, the Lumbee Tribe would be granted the same legal status as other federally recognized tribes, including coverage under the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934. Tribal members would become eligible for federal services and benefits, subject to verification of the tribal roll and assessments by federal agencies.
The bill also authorizes the Interior secretary to take land into trust for the Lumbee Tribe in designated counties, with land in Robeson County to be treated as on-reservation under federal regulations. Any claims against the United States predating the law would still require separate congressional approval.
#10
Research Needed / Re: Turtle Island Liberation F...
Last post by educatedindian - December 18, 2025, 07:34:06 PMA Reddit thread is not the best source I realize. Every claim needs to be backed up elsewhere. But there are some links within the thread that try to do that.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/1pnmwby/the_turtle_island_liberation_front_is_a_fictional/
r/behindthebastards
3d ago
Gash_Stretchum
The Turtle Island Liberation Front is a fictional organization created by an indie game developer in 2021.
r/behindthebastards - The Turtle Island Liberation Front is a fictional organization created by an indie game developer in 2021.
The organization never existed. It was part of a fictional character's backstory. If you look at the mentions before the FBI's announcement, it looks obviously fake.
Anyone on the internet encouraging you to commit violence is a Fed.
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princess_raven
3d ago
This, apparently. Haven't read through all of it but it appears the FBI is referencing a fictional group to justify real world actions goaded some folks into doing something indictable.
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/12/turtle-island-liberation-front-complaint.pdf
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CascadianSausages
3d ago
I thought it was this group - https://www.instagram.com/turtleislandliberationfrontla
Their postings seem a bit on the nose, but who am I to fault their passion for graphic design
Gash_Stretchum
OP
3d ago
You mean that 6 month old account with no engagement that has 10x more follows than followers. That account doesn't confirm anything that the FBI said about the org.
VVetSpecimen
3d ago
Who's calling Midnight Books in LA to see if that event went down back in May?
Gash_Stretchum
OP
3d ago
Who's in LA to confirm that Midnight Books even exist. The Google Maps photo is of an "Outdoor Supply Company". None of its plausible enough to justify any real world investigation.
ZestyChinchilla
3d ago
Digging around a little, it looks like 942 2nd St (where Midnight Books is supposedly located) is a commercial building with multiple businesses. However, all of those businesses list a suite number in their address... wanna guess who doesn't? Besides that, I can see various signs in windows for the other businesses in that building, but absolutely nothing indicating there's a book store in there. Their website is very basic, with little content, like it was made in an afternoon. Not sayin it's not legit, but....
I did find a Wikipedia entry for a former LA bookstore called Midnight Special Books, that actually was an explicitly leftist bookstore that just so happened to carry a lot of the same subjects that this supposed bookstore does. Ready for the fun part? Midnight Special Books closed in 2004.
I'm not saying this is definitely some fabricated conspiracy, but what do you think the odds are that they used the basic details of a bookstore that existed 20+ years ago (including a shockingly similar name), picked a plausible address in an art district, and made the whole thing up?
I dunno, but this whole thing seems...kinda hinky.
Scryberwitch
2d ago
No, Midnight Books is an actual place - you got the address wrong: it's 941 E. 2nd St. Here's their Insta: https://www.instagram.com/midnightbooksla/
But yeah, I think this whole case smells funny...
Forsaken-Half8524
2d ago
There seems to be a Midnight Press with a bookstore and community space.
GroundbreakingHand7
2d ago
So yeah I'm bored at work and dug around. Midnight Books is very real, their IG is midnightbooksla. You may note it looks like social media run by actual people. There is NO mention of this fundraiser at all nor do any of the posts on the TILF's IG page tag them correctly. Curious!!! also they post someone's like, super fake looking candle account? lmfao.
too bad they got arrested before their Punk Show happened..
moss42069
3d ago
If you look at the posts the account is tagged in, you can see pics/vids from the event. I think the government is just framing random activists.
maddsskills
3d ago
Is there an easy way to search their followers for location? Because someone supposedly connected with the group got arrested here in Louisiana, New Iberia to be specific. They haven't released their name but they might follow the account?
oht7
2d ago
This is all based on an ARG video game. If you're not familiar that's a hybrid kind of video game that bleeds into reality - basically LARPing.
So this is all fictional. People were pretending to be these revolutionaries. It's all based on a. Video game where furries band together after a failed invasion of America by China leads to a fascist regime within America taking over.
Murraybird
3d ago
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A photo of the secret bomb-making lab they found.... Seriously.
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3d ago
I'm dumb but I'm not a fucking moron. This setup is so bad it almost got me to describe how and where I would make explosives so I think that's what the deep state was going for taking that pic.
OisforOwesome
3d ago
So glad they had hand sanitiser
Be_The_Packet
2d ago
I was thinking the rubiks cube
Sweet-Safety-1486
2d ago
The suspects "all brought bomb-making components to the campsite, including various sizes of PVC pipes, suspected potassium nitrate, charcoal, charcoal powder, sulfur powder, and material to be used as fuses, among others," the complaint states.
Those are the ingredients for fireworks.
Forsaken-Half8524
2d ago
They have an Instagram account with mostly normal stuff, fundraiser at a bookstore, free our comrade, food drive, pop up market for Palestine. It seems like someone in LA might have heard of them if they are a thing. Naming a group after a fictional group doesn't seem that farfetched.
BUT, the insta only goes back to July and it's only got 41 posts.
DaveCarradineIsAlive
1d ago
What's the name of the game? Having some trouble finding it, and would like to have the confirmation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/1pnmwby/the_turtle_island_liberation_front_is_a_fictional/
Gash_Stretchum
OP 1d ago
That's sorta my point. The game doesn't seem to exist. A lotta folks are talking about people co-opting fictional language from popular forms of fiction but this ain't that.
How can a fanbase co-opt this if there's no game or no fanbase?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/1pnmwby/the_turtle_island_liberation_front_is_a_fictional/
r/behindthebastards
3d ago
Gash_Stretchum
The Turtle Island Liberation Front is a fictional organization created by an indie game developer in 2021.
r/behindthebastards - The Turtle Island Liberation Front is a fictional organization created by an indie game developer in 2021.
The organization never existed. It was part of a fictional character's backstory. If you look at the mentions before the FBI's announcement, it looks obviously fake.
Anyone on the internet encouraging you to commit violence is a Fed.
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princess_raven
3d ago
This, apparently. Haven't read through all of it but it appears the FBI is referencing a fictional group to justify real world actions goaded some folks into doing something indictable.
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/12/turtle-island-liberation-front-complaint.pdf
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CascadianSausages
3d ago
I thought it was this group - https://www.instagram.com/turtleislandliberationfrontla
Their postings seem a bit on the nose, but who am I to fault their passion for graphic design
Gash_Stretchum
OP
3d ago
You mean that 6 month old account with no engagement that has 10x more follows than followers. That account doesn't confirm anything that the FBI said about the org.
VVetSpecimen
3d ago
Who's calling Midnight Books in LA to see if that event went down back in May?
Gash_Stretchum
OP
3d ago
Who's in LA to confirm that Midnight Books even exist. The Google Maps photo is of an "Outdoor Supply Company". None of its plausible enough to justify any real world investigation.
ZestyChinchilla
3d ago
Digging around a little, it looks like 942 2nd St (where Midnight Books is supposedly located) is a commercial building with multiple businesses. However, all of those businesses list a suite number in their address... wanna guess who doesn't? Besides that, I can see various signs in windows for the other businesses in that building, but absolutely nothing indicating there's a book store in there. Their website is very basic, with little content, like it was made in an afternoon. Not sayin it's not legit, but....
I did find a Wikipedia entry for a former LA bookstore called Midnight Special Books, that actually was an explicitly leftist bookstore that just so happened to carry a lot of the same subjects that this supposed bookstore does. Ready for the fun part? Midnight Special Books closed in 2004.
I'm not saying this is definitely some fabricated conspiracy, but what do you think the odds are that they used the basic details of a bookstore that existed 20+ years ago (including a shockingly similar name), picked a plausible address in an art district, and made the whole thing up?
I dunno, but this whole thing seems...kinda hinky.
Scryberwitch
2d ago
No, Midnight Books is an actual place - you got the address wrong: it's 941 E. 2nd St. Here's their Insta: https://www.instagram.com/midnightbooksla/
But yeah, I think this whole case smells funny...
Forsaken-Half8524
2d ago
There seems to be a Midnight Press with a bookstore and community space.
GroundbreakingHand7
2d ago
So yeah I'm bored at work and dug around. Midnight Books is very real, their IG is midnightbooksla. You may note it looks like social media run by actual people. There is NO mention of this fundraiser at all nor do any of the posts on the TILF's IG page tag them correctly. Curious!!! also they post someone's like, super fake looking candle account? lmfao.
too bad they got arrested before their Punk Show happened..
moss42069
3d ago
If you look at the posts the account is tagged in, you can see pics/vids from the event. I think the government is just framing random activists.
maddsskills
3d ago
Is there an easy way to search their followers for location? Because someone supposedly connected with the group got arrested here in Louisiana, New Iberia to be specific. They haven't released their name but they might follow the account?
oht7
2d ago
This is all based on an ARG video game. If you're not familiar that's a hybrid kind of video game that bleeds into reality - basically LARPing.
So this is all fictional. People were pretending to be these revolutionaries. It's all based on a. Video game where furries band together after a failed invasion of America by China leads to a fascist regime within America taking over.
Murraybird
3d ago
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A photo of the secret bomb-making lab they found.... Seriously.
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3d ago
I'm dumb but I'm not a fucking moron. This setup is so bad it almost got me to describe how and where I would make explosives so I think that's what the deep state was going for taking that pic.
OisforOwesome
3d ago
So glad they had hand sanitiser
Be_The_Packet
2d ago
I was thinking the rubiks cube
Sweet-Safety-1486
2d ago
The suspects "all brought bomb-making components to the campsite, including various sizes of PVC pipes, suspected potassium nitrate, charcoal, charcoal powder, sulfur powder, and material to be used as fuses, among others," the complaint states.
Those are the ingredients for fireworks.
Forsaken-Half8524
2d ago
They have an Instagram account with mostly normal stuff, fundraiser at a bookstore, free our comrade, food drive, pop up market for Palestine. It seems like someone in LA might have heard of them if they are a thing. Naming a group after a fictional group doesn't seem that farfetched.
BUT, the insta only goes back to July and it's only got 41 posts.
DaveCarradineIsAlive
1d ago
What's the name of the game? Having some trouble finding it, and would like to have the confirmation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/1pnmwby/the_turtle_island_liberation_front_is_a_fictional/
Gash_Stretchum
OP 1d ago
That's sorta my point. The game doesn't seem to exist. A lotta folks are talking about people co-opting fictional language from popular forms of fiction but this ain't that.
How can a fanbase co-opt this if there's no game or no fanbase?