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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/12/16/turtle-island-liberation-front-los-angeles-terror-plot/87790593007/
....The four suspects, who prosecutors charged with conspiracy and possession of an unregistered destructive device, were accused of being members of an >>>offshoot<<< of the Turtle Island Liberation Front, or TILF, a group federal officials said is motivated by extremist pro-Palestinian, anti-law-enforcement and anti-government ideology.

More: 4 arrested in New Year's Eve bombing plot in California, FBI says
FBI Director Kash Patel accused the suspects – Audrey Ilene Carroll, 30; Dante Garfield, 24; Zachary Aaron Page, 32; and Tina Lai, 41– of planning an attack involving improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, to bomb at least five businesses throughout Los Angeles and Orange County.

FBI Director Kash Patel speaks during a briefing at the White House in Washington, D.C., U.S., Nov. 12, 2025
The defendants also allegedly discussed targeting U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities and vehicles with pipe bombs, according to a charging document, which accuses Carroll of saying "That would take some of them out and scare the rest of them."

USA TODAY could not immediately reach the suspects' legal representation. A fifth person was arrested by the FBI in New Orleans, Patel said, for allegedly "planning a separate violent attack." That suspect, the director said, is also believed to be linked to TILF.

What is the Turtle Island Liberation Front?
The "Turtle Island Liberation Front – LA Chapter" is described on its social media page as being devoted to "Liberation through decolonization and tribal sovereignty," according to the complaint, which alleges the group is "an anti-capitalist, anti-government movement."

[So no longer the whole group but just in one city.]

A review of the group's Instagram account shows it has 1,010 followers. It's first post, a fundraiser for Palestinian families, indigenous people and "anti ICE" efforts, dates back to July.

A federal complaint said the suspects were all part of a Signal group chat called "Order of the Black Lotus," a purported >>>offshoot<<< of the TILF group, which one of the suspects described as being "radical."


Posters and materials found in FBI's search of suspect Audrey Carroll's residence
"TILF also calls for the working class to rise up and fight back against capitalism," the complaint says. "Moreover, TILF advocates that liberalism and peaceful protest will be the downfall of those who believe it is enough, and that 'direct action is the only way.'"

During a search of the suspects' homes, investigators discovered multiple posters associated with the Turtle Island group and other evidence, including a detailed copy of the planned attack.

Turtle Island is a term long used by indigenous tribes to describe the creation of North America, according to the United Nations. It stems from the believe that the Earth was created on the back of a giant turtle.

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Posters as "evidence" make it clear the group was targeted for its beliefs.

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https://abc7.com/post/southern-california-terror-plot-what-know-group-turtle-island-liberation-front/18289884/
...."Mary," explaining the group's name. "So that's what the natives called it - was Turtle Island," the person, whose face is concealed, says in the video. "So that's the de-colonized name of the Americas. And Turtle Island Liberation Front is looking for reparations and land back for these indigenous groups."

....[One member] allegedly told an FBI informant that she has a, "notebook where I wrote down multiple plans that >>>never happened<<<..."

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A federal website says three times actually they were going to target "companies."

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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/four-defendants-arrested-alleged-anti-capitalist-and-anti-government-plot-bomb-us-companies
Four Defendants Arrested for Alleged Anti-Capitalist and Anti-Government Plot to Bomb U.S. Companies on New Year's Eve
Monday, December 15, 2025
For Immediate Release Office of Public Affairs
Four members of an anti-capitalist and anti-government group that calls for violence against U.S. officials have been arrested for allegedly plotting to attack two U.S. companies with improvised explosive devices (IEDs) this New Year's Eve.

"The Turtle Island Liberation Front — a far-left, pro-Palestine, anti-government, and anti-capitalist group — was preparing to conduct a series of bombings against multiple targets in California beginning on New Year's Eve. The group also planned to target ICE agents and vehicles," said Attorney General Pamela Bondi...

"The charges made public today show the FBI and our partners disrupted a dangerous New Year's Eve plot to simultaneously target two U.S. companies with multiple explosive devices," said FBI Director Kash Patel. "

This is different from what we usually look at, a group alleged by Trump, Patel, and the FBI to be terrorists. The first thing we can see is that no one should be fooled by the name. No one accused is Native and the group has no NDNs known to be in it.

The other questions are if the group is even real, and if so were they set up by feds and Trump's people. The arrests are only a couple days old and already there's questions about supposed evidence against them.

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https://theintercept.com/2025/12/16/fbi-informant-turtle-island-terror-plot/
Longtime Paid FBI Informant Was Instrumental in Terror Case Against "Turtle Island Liberation Front"
Kash Patel and others touted the FBI's investigative work, but the few available details point to a more complicated picture.

Noah Hurowitz, Trevor Aaronson
December 16 2025, 3:37 p.m.
An FBI investigation into an alleged terror plot in Southern California bears the familiar hallmarks of the bureau's long-running use of informants and undercover agents to advance plots that might not otherwise have materialized, court documents show.

News of the plot surfaced Monday morning in a Fox News report that ran ahead of court filings or official statements. Within minutes, FBI officials amplified the story on social media.

"PROTECT THE HOMELAND and CRUSH VIOLENT CRIME," wrote FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino, a former podcaster. "These words are not slogans, they're the investigative pillars of this FBI."

The informant and the undercover agent were involved in nearly every stage of the case.
What followed, however, painted a more complicated picture.

The limited details available suggest an investigation that leaned heavily on a paid informant and at least one undercover FBI agent, according to an affidavit filed in federal court. The informant and the undercover agent were involved in nearly every stage of the case, including discussions of operational security and transporting members of the group to the site in the Mojave Desert where federal agents ultimately made the arrests.

The informant, who has worked other cases on the FBI's payroll since 2021, had been in contact with the group known as the Turtle Island Liberation Front since at least late November, just two months after President Donald Trump designated "antifa" a domestic terrorism organization.

On the morning of December 15, FBI Director Kash Patel announced the arrests, calling the plot "a credible, imminent terrorist threat."

Yet the case had the familiar markings of FBI terrorism stings that stretch back more than two decades — hundreds of cases that have disproportionately targeted left-wing activists and Muslims, and, less often, right-wing actors.

Since the September 11 attacks, the FBI has relied on informants to identify and build terrorism cases. The structure has created perverse incentives for potential informants. Their cooperation can get them out of criminal cases of their own and lead to handsome monetary compensation. The FBI's call is simple: Bring cases, get paid.

Rick Smith, a security consultant and former FBI agent, said confidential sources are essential to investigative police work, but cautioned that they come with inherent baggage.

"They're sources, they're not ordinary citizens," Smith said. "They have either been compromised in some way, or they're going to be paid. Either way, they've got some sort of skin in the game. They're getting something out of it."

In the years after 2001 attacks, the FBI created a market for cases involving left-wing activists and Muslims. After the January 6 Capitol riot, the bureau made clear to informants that right-wing extremism was a priority. Now, under the second Trump administration, the federal government's focus is again turning to perceived left-wing extremism.

In September, days after the terror designation of antifa, Trump outlined his administration's war on the left in a memo titled National Security Presidential Memorandum 7, or NSPM-7, which called for the National Joint Terrorism Task Force to coordinate with local offices to investigate alleged federal crimes by political radicals. The head of the federal prosecutor's office in Los Angeles said on Monday that the Turtle Island Liberation Front arrests stemmed from Trump's executive order.

Key questions in the Turtle Island Liberation Front case, however, remain unanswered. It is still unclear how the FBI first identified the group or how long the informant had been embedded before the bomb plot emerged — a period defense attorneys say is central to any serious examination of entrapment, whereby defendants are coerced into crimes they would not otherwise commit, a frequent criticism of stings involving paid informants and undercover agents.

"The question that immediately popped into my mind was that: There's a reference to a confidential human source, but there's no indication of how that source came to be," said Brad Crowder, an activist and union organizer who was convicted in a case of alleged violent protest plans that involved a confidential informant. "It's not totally out of the realm of possibilities that this idea was planted or floated by whoever this confidential human source might be."

Turtle Island Case
Despite comments from Attorney General Pam Bondi, Patel, and others characterizing the Turtle Island Liberation Front as a coherent group and a Signal chat called "Black Lotus" as an ultra-radical subset, there's little evidence that any group by that name exists beyond a small digital footprint and a handful of attempts at organizing community events, including a self-defense workshop and a punk rock benefit show planned for February.

The Instagram page for the Turtle Island Liberation Front cited in the complaint had just over 1,000 followers as of Tuesday morning — after it was widely publicized — and its first post came in late July. The YouTube channel bearing the group's name, which had just 18 subscribers as of Tuesday morning, was registered on July 17 and contains a single video posted on September 16.

Online, the group styled itself as radical and righteous. Its activists spoke in the language of solidarity with Palestinians and Indigenous people, railing against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and American power. On Instagram, they posted slogans and absolutes:

"Become a revolutionary."
"America has always been the brutal evil monster that some of you don't want to face."
"Resistance is the deepest form of love."

The informant did not, however, meet with the group on November 26 for its slogans.

According to the affidavit, the informant met up with Audrey Illeene Carroll, who went by the nickname Asiginaak. At the meeting, Carroll handed over eight pages covered with handwriting in blue ink. The document was titled "Operation Midnight Sun," and laid out a plan to detonate backpack bombs at five separate locations on New Year's Eve, when fireworks would mask the sound of explosions. The plan was unfinished. Beneath the list of targets were blank lines, marked: "add more if enough comrades." (Carroll's attorney did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

Over the following weeks, the plot advanced, according to court filings. A Signal group was created for, in the participants' words, "everything radical," including the bomb plan itself. On December 7, the supposed bomb plot expanded to include an undercover FBI agent. At that meeting, Carroll distributed pages describing how to build the bombs. She said she already had 13 PVC pipes cut to size and had ordered two five-pound bags of potassium nitrate from Amazon, believing naively that a burner account she set up was keeping her anonymous. Delivery was scheduled for December 11.

The FBI allowed the plan to progress, with both an informant and an undercover agent actively participating.
The FBI had visibility into nearly every part of the supply chain: chemicals ordered online and pistol primers purchased at a retail store. Agents could have intervened at any stage. They didn't. Instead, the bureau allowed the plan to continue, with both an informant and an undercover agent actively participating in the conspiracy.

On December 12, the group drove into the desert with an aim of testing the bombs. They took two vehicles: the informant in one, the undercover agent in the other. Riding with the undercover agent was Zachary Aaron Page, who went by the nickname AK. He suggested using cigarettes as a delayed fuse. In the other car, Carroll told another member that the desert exercise was a dry run for the New Year's Eve attack.

"What we're doing will be considered a terrorist act," she said, according to the affidavit. At the site, they pitched tents and set up tables. They laid out PVC pipes, charcoal, sulfur, gasoline, string, cloth, and protective gear. As they began assembling the devices, the FBI moved in. Overhead, an FBI surveillance plane recorded the scene as agents took into custody four alleged members of the Turtle Island Liberation Front including Carroll and Page, along with Tina Lai and Dante Gaffield. (An attorney for Page declined to comment, and lawyers for Gaffield and Lai did not immediately respond.)

"Nonpartisan Incentive Structure"
Terrorism prosecutions built around confidential informants have long drawn criticism, particularly over the risk of entrapment.
For more than a decade, legal scholars have argued that while these cases often resemble classic government inducement, they rarely meet the legal standard for entrapment. Courts define predisposition so broadly that ideological sympathy or recorded rhetoric is treated as evidence of a preexisting willingness to commit violence — a framework that effectively shields government-manufactured plots from meaningful judicial scrutiny....

Because informants can be so instrumental in building cases, their use can be leveraged by authorities to focus resources on investigations with more political overtones....

Part of the playbook, Crowder said, is for an informant to exploit their targets' "righteous anger" — in the case of the Turtle Bay Liberation Front, rights violations in Palestine and ICE actions in Los Angeles. From there, authorities take advantage of the allege plotters' political immaturity, walking hand in hand with them as they cross the line from legal dissent into illegal conspiracy.

The informant gets paid, the FBI gets a good headline that justifies their anti-terrorism budget, and the defendants are left to face the consequences, often without ever posing a real threat to public safety, Crowder said.

"On both sides you have a sort of momentum that develops," Crowder said. "This ICE repression is crazy, and that feeds into a sort of hopelessness that drives a sort of nihilistic response that you see from people who have immature politics. And then that heartfelt but immature and irresponsible response plays into the incentive structure of the FBI."

I'd forgotten about this thread on the Wynoochee sundances http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4714.0

Paul Sahayda continues to be active in North Carolina. I wonder if his adult son will eventually inherit the supposed spiritual lineage.

The Washington state nonprofit "Sungleska Oyate" continues. The land in Goldendale is still owned by the Buck and Vicki Ghosthorse Trust.

I hope that eventually survivors will go public with what they've experienced. Jan Engels Smith describes abuse but doesn't seem to understand that it was abuse http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5446.msg49648#msg49648

No, I haven't heard. For awhile, some of the people from Goldendale  were going to the Sundance at Wynoochee, but that's all I've heard. 

Thank you Debbie, this is very good to know, thanks.

In general, do you happen to know if those sundances are again happening each summer in Goldendale? I've read that they did pause doing events during early pandemic.

A friend of mine attended those sundances and she never mentioned drugs. She was strongly anti drugs. She passed away so I can't ask her.

Concerning the "Ghosthorse" activities in Florida:

QuoteGhost Horse and his crew "were doing acid and sending people out on their vision quests while they were tripping on LSD.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=44.0

Eventually the group located in Goldendale, Klickitat, WA. Many followers claim powerful experiences during summer ceremonies there. Were drugs in use? If so, did everyone consent?

QuoteIn time, a Helper handed me a paper cup with a tea-brown liquid. I asked what it was. "Medicine," he said. "Drink it."

https://www.fusionmagazine.org/dance-looking-at-the-sun/

What is in this liquid given to ceremony participants?

Grandmother Sarah on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/myenthios

Bicknell isn't slowing down, in fact she appears more active. She has updated her branding. She travels for paid events, including an upcoming trip to Egypt.

Bicknell might be making a healthy profit. She's set up many income streams https://sarahmacleanbicknell.com/

Her Washington state nonprofit "The Night Turtle Dance Foundation" is active.

I wonder if she has an inner circle of students. Her online presence has a cult leader vibe.

Bergstrom is still active:

QuoteFor over 30 years, Betsy Bergstrom has taught spirit-based mystery traditions and healing. Raised by her animist mother of Coastal Salish tradition, Betsy focuses on remembering that the world is alive and much of what we encounter in nature has a consciousness of its own.

Her heritage also reaches back in to Viking Scandinavia and Clan Macdonald in Scotland and in more contemporary times into the Forest Finn or Skogfinnene tradition in Sweden. She has been lovingly encouraged by her teachers in Nordic, Swedish, Scottish, Finnish, Nepali and Tibetan Buddhist traditions, to share her insight, techniques and experiences. This is the foundation from which Spirit-Wise was launched.

QuoteIn later years, following ancestral threads, she has become one of the premier teachers of Norse Seidr in the United States, bringing the practice from England and Denmark.

QuoteMind-Rooms, from Swedish folkloric tradition, are adapted to modern life and support our dreams to become reality.

https://www.spirit-wise.com/betsy-bergstrom

Many paid classes including:

QuoteSovereignty for Self

Join Betsy Bergstrom in an exploration of Sovereignty for the Self with guided imagery and  journey. Dive into this 4.5 hour pre-recorded workshop and look at the contemporary meaning of Sovereignty as the right to be self governing and look farther back into the past to its more ancient origins. What does sovereignty entail?  Who are the Guardians of Sovereignty?

https://www.spirit-wise.com/recorded-courses

"seider hoods" https://www.spirit-wise.com/seidr-hoods

24 students listed here: https://www.spirit-wise.com/referrals

Quote from: Babeloner on June 29, 2019, 03:50:50 AM
Previous mention of Sarah Bicknell (Ghost Horse connection): http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3760.msg46174#msg46174

From her website:https://sarahmacleanbicknell.com/about-sarah/

....In 1991, Sarah was adopted by ceremony, into the Ghost Horse, Hunka Waye, Lakota Nation. She stands in deep honor to her elder council/mentors and ceremonial collaborators which over the years have been Adalberto Rivera (Maya), Wallace Black Elk, Buck Ghosthorse (Lakota), Paul Ghosthorse, Rod Mcafee, Vicky Ghosthorse (Sungleska), Grandmother Red Leaf (Cherokee), Donna Carlita, Hernando Salazar (Inca, Peru), Silvia Calisaya Chuquimia (Aymarra, Lake Titicaca), Youseff Bashir (Berber, N. Africa), Betsy Bergstrom (NW coastal, Norse, Scottish), Francesca Boring (Shoshone, N Native European), Harold Blood, Carolyn Hillier, K.Trevelyan (N Native European), Stephan Hausner (Germany), and to the many around the world that she has sat, dreamt and stood in ceremony with....

Adalberto Rivera calls himself Gnostic, from Christian tradition, not Mayan.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Quetzil-Castaneda/publication/230483826_Approaching_Ruins_a_Photo-Ethnographic_Essay_on_the_Busy_Intersections_of_Chichen_Itza/links/00b4952adffd384f16000000/Approaching-Ruins-a-Photo-Ethnographic-Essay-on-the-Busy-Intersections-of-Chichen-Itza.pdf
"Adalberto Rivera A. (1989)-an archaeo-astronomer and Maya gnostic - was one of the leaders of the event. His group of Cancun gnosticos...."

Wallace Black Elk Cow is mentioned numerous times on the site. Lakota, but posing as a healer and one of the Black Elk family over the objections of the actual Black Elks, relatives of Nicholas Black Elk of the book Black Elk Speaks.

Garneau calling herself Red Leaf is discussed here. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3623.0

Hernando Salazar claiming to be "Inca" I haven't found online except for Bicknell claiming him. No one in Peru calls themselves Inca except the delusional or those posing for the gullible who don't know basic history. It'd be as silly as an Italian claiming to be from the tribe of Caesar. The descendants of Incas are mostly Quechua or Aymara.

Silvia Calisaya Chuquimia is a tourist guide and museum coordinator.
https://www.facebook.com/silvia.calisayachuquimia/
"Fundadora y Coordinadora at Museo de la Coca y Costumbres
Guia espiritual at Trabaja Lic.Turismo freelance guide"

Youseff Bashir with two Fs also doesn't show up online except for Bicknell's sites. Yousef Bashir with one F is Palestinian American peace activist and author, not Bicknell's "shaman." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousef_Bashir

Betsy Bergstrom is discussed here. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4136.0

Francesca Boring is Shoshone and gives nature walks she describes as healing for $215.
https://allmyrelationsconstellations.com/on-line-nature-constellation-course/

Haven't found Harold Blood or K.Trevelyan.

Carolyn Hillier is an English woman musician who claims to teach Celtic or Sami healing charging 15 pounds per month per person for ceremony. https://accidentalgods.life/fierce-tenderness

Stephan Hausner is a German alt medicine type. Homoeopathy, "Physioenergetic," and Osteopathy. Unlike the US, there's no licensing or standards for training for homeopathy and osteopathy in Germany. The second, it's unclear what it even is.

Not much impressive in who she claims as supporters. And that's on top of her long associations with some of the most destructive deeply racist frauds, the Matterns AKA "Ghosthorses." She doesn't even mention that Mattern was a Klansman and outright violent terrorist. Moved to Frauds.