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Jose Arguelles
« on: October 10, 2005, 07:32:25 pm »
educatedindian"
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:08:48 -0000
Subject: [nafps_again] Fraud Alert: Jose Arguelles

Indian Country Today (Lakota Times)   1/15/2003   V.22; N.31   p. A4  
Maya contend with the New Age

Now comes Jose Arguelles, again. Mr. Arguelles, a Mexican who hails from Oregon, anoints himself to be the direct spiritual descendant of Pakal - Maya ruler of Palenque (A.D. 615). Arguelles further claims the inside track on the alignment of the ancient 5,200-year long-count calendar of the Maya. Arguelles has done this before, in 1987,
when he coordinated the international extravaganza called the "Harmonic Convergence." Thus, thousands of would-be Maya, reborn and cosmically drawn from all corners of the world, are set to usher in the "apocalypse" of Western Civilization, predicted for around Christmas time, 2012. The ten-year countdown began this Christmas. The public relations phenomenon got into the New York Times and drew tens of thousands of people from dozens of countries to various Maya ceremonial sites, mostly in Mexico.

AS they did at the time of the "Harmonic Convergence," in 1987, actual Maya elders from the present generation of community practitioners of the Day-keeping ceremonies have cautioned against the extravagant claims. A recent phone call to our editorial circle from a group of Kekchi elders took the notions to task: "Many people pretend to represent our Maya cosmology and our ceremonies. But the prayerful communication with our ancient spirits - is tender; it does not tolerate so much public notice."

North American Indians might note that the New Age interpretation and appropriation of indigenous spiritual knowledge infects the reality of Indian existence in the South as well. Not only New Agers, but scientists, anthropologists, political ideologues and present-day economists have all tried their hand at interpreting and representing the Maya, whose core population of several million is concentrated in the Guatemalan highlands. Most of the time, this outside interpretation is negative and less than useless. Manipulation of the Maya identity by outsiders is a growing industry.

To be fair, some scientists have conducted welcome and useful investigations into Maya culture and lifeways. These observers have usually worked and partaken directly with Native language community people, and have gained an understanding of currently active spiritual systems used by the people. Not a few have risked their own safety and comfort to assist in the expression of the many issues and problems confronting the Native communities. This brand of committed
researchers is a long way from those who would parade their own theatrical characters through the media for personal glory and gain, rather than assist the actual Maya people to represent themselves.

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Re: Jose Arguelles
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2005, 07:36:27 pm »
Pt 2
The Maya Day-keeping calendar tradition is a living spiritual way among hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people from the 20-some linguistic nations of the Maya-Quiche. Until very recently,
these modest practitioners were the objects of derisive ridicule and even massacre for exercising their ancient religion, which is a daily spiritual prescription that can help regulate currents in the life of the individual, the family and the community. Like most tolerant Native traditional spiritual systems, it is complex, full of natural wisdom and useful to believers. It depends, to a great deal, on
lineage and place, and is held dear primarily in the Maya community bases.

There is a big difference between the Maya Calendar practitioners and the New Age fascination with the ruins of Palenque and the many prophesies - ancient and invented - of the 5,200 year long-count. The former live by their spiritual ways, grow their corn and beans and tend not to make much public display of their rituals. The New Age bunch loves the glare of the media, claims cosmic roles in personal visions of their own supernatural importance, and, always, figures
out a way of commercializing some piece of the program.

While the overarching Maya spiritual house is rich enough to encompass the 5,200-year long count of their pyramid inscriptions, today's Maya medicines are village-based and powerful "in the practice" of divining, healing and praying for family and relatives. These practitioners are little concerned with the trans-oceanic urges and modalities of western seekers. The core Maya populations and
spiritual healers have their own people and problems to attend to.

A little less publicity and a bit more true respect is radically needed. Spiritual devotees lining up with the equinox of Maya pyramids might consider supporting efforts at health and agricultural
rebuilding in the highland communities. They might consider helping a midwifery program or underwriting the cost of organic fertilizer training for a region of villages. They might try supporting Maya NGOs working to protect forest areas. There is a lot to do and many ways of helping. True spiritual connection in fact results only from the trust and friendship generated by this type of commitment, which is to give to the people and not just rip off the spiritual without engaging the rest of the conditions that face indigenous peoples and
certainly the Meso-American Maya communities.

We urge Arguelles and the whole neo-Mayan spiritualist gang to keep praying; that is one certain way to do little damage and maybe do
some good. Just don't try to speak for the Maya peoples or pretend to be able to determine the meanings of our time according to Maya time.
Your qualifications are subjective in this respect.

To the Maya practitioners, who would rather continue their traditional prayers without so much fanfare, thank you for surviving. For those of you who live in your communities of origin and who
practice the spiritual healings for your people, we offer the greatest respect. Be assured that some of us can tell the difference between your ancient duties and expressions and the current notions
of the New Age movements.

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Re: Jose Arguelles
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2005, 07:52:02 pm »
misternick03" <m9522301@qub.ac.uk>  
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:14:51 -0000
Subject: [nafps_again] Re: Fraud Alert: Jose Arguelles

Innafps_again@yahoogroups.com, "barnaby_mcewan" <barnaby_mcewan@y...> wrote:
> --- In nafps_again@yahoogroups.com, educatedindian <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
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> I don't know where he gets this from but apparently he thinks we should all use a calendar of thirteen twenty-eight day months; unfortunately when observed from the earth rather than whetever planet Arguelles lives on, the lunar cycle is twenty-nine and a bit days long.
>
> http://www.13moon.com/
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> He's even written to the Pope about it.
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http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/pope.html
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> What a doofus.

Oh, you're going to love this!!

I met a guy up at Hopi last weekend (Anglo, originally from California). Among some pretty mad claims that really should not be discussed here, he claimed that the reason that women are suffering
from menstrual cramps around the world, is that we are all living according to a 12 month calendar, as opposed to the more 'natural' 13 month system. I guess he really knows his stuff!

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Re: Jose Arguelles
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2005, 09:31:47 am »
ok...so i know i really don't have to ask but what do you think of this

you put you birthday in here (except for 1965--why i would really like to know, i would think they would fiqure someone would be born that year and work it in) and then it figures you horrable scope...opps i mean horrorscope...i mean...you know

http://www.starroot.com/cgi/daycalc.pl

and then you go here and it tells you what you are

http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/free_mayan_readings.html

i'm a yellow electric seed

which fits cuz i have blonde hair--and i suck watch batterys dry in minutes (this is true) and i like my garden


personally though i think i am more in the shadow of the red dragon cuz i have some serious trust issues

http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/Mayan_Shadow.html

this is the home page

http://www.astrodreamadvisor.com/index.html

but seriously--while this was a fun little exercise when the girl who seems to own this site spamed this crazy--anything goes but you better be thick skined forum i enjoy---hummm after reading the above i think i should mention it. It appears that she has just created this site.


.....and just as an after thought why arn't we using the thirtenth monkey calander...i mean month...i hate craps....i mean cramps...dangnamit

sylvia----yep thats me syllee silly silly me

but truely much respect to the real Maya
and to you all--love this place


oh yeah and this is totaly off the subject but funny as heck

http://www.raptureready.com/index.php

although if you ask me spiritual perverts are spiritual perveerts--they don't relly care whose spirituality it is they disrespect--so......
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