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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #975 on: February 24, 2011, 04:51:38 pm »
I may be a little late gettin to this Party but have ya'll seen this one? I laughed so hard i peed myself!

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #976 on: February 24, 2011, 06:05:29 pm »
I am not a person who thinks people who believe in aliens/ufo's or who have seen them
to be kooks.

I do not like her exploiting this or any information to feed her delusions, delusional followers,
and bank account.

Again, she reasons that somehow we humans are the center of the universe that even the
aliens cater to us by making crystal skulls or whatever else.

Feeding the human ego.. we are that important.. that all the universe's beings must cater to us.

I couldn't watch the whole of the video, as always.. too much talk from her and I have to shut
it off.  I don't need to walk neck high into the septic tank to know it's sh*t.
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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #977 on: February 24, 2011, 09:11:48 pm »
critter - a white non-ndn person:
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I am not a person who thinks people who believe in aliens/ufo's or who have seen them to be kooks.

Out of curiosity, and because I don’t  want to ridicule something that is related to extraterrestrial phenomena. I like to keep an open mind. There could be some truth to what is exposed by numerous people all over the world.

We can have different opinions about things and disagree. You can propagate for what you believe in as I do for what I believe in. But with respect towards each other’s different beliefs. That’s how we can coexist peacefully.

The problem is when we have to pay for expensive workshops in order to learn about spirituality etc. When ancient wisdom and getting to know about our ancestors and their ideas and thoughts are commercialized! We must oppose that. It is not ethical to charge money for any ceremony or teaching. They belong to the Native peoples.

It’s so sad to watch the video down below, the contrast between the “modern shaman” Kiesha Crowther and the living conditions for the Native peoples she says she’s representing. Two different worlds, way apart. The Native peoples don’t get any of the income their culture and traditions generate among the fake shamans etc. Their traditions get misused. That has not anything to do with respect and love towards the indigenous peoples. It’s quite the opposite.

I think that people in Europe, don’t have much knowledge of the situation of the indigenous peoples of the USA.  But as a lot of people are out on the Internet a Forum like this one, is very important.


Kiesha Crowther (Updated) Alternative Lifestyles of the Rich & Fraudulent :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYy0xVdPU6Q


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"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. " -- Margaret Mead”

And if you’re a bit curious to learn about UFO:s

UFO DISCLOSURE 2010 : Former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fu-eo2TZT4

U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT -FULL VERSION
A large number of ex high ranking officals including air traffic controllers, ex secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numorous military defence specialists with top secret clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents, lieutenants, ex commanders in the u.s airforce, astronauts,etc...
all going before the national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding u.f.o's and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath.. never before has such a group come forward..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk&feature=related

 

Love and respect to you all
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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #978 on: February 24, 2011, 10:56:18 pm »
I agree on keeping it here in regards to theft of culture/beliefs.

Unfortunately, many people like KC make a good buck off other "curiosities"
as well.. and it just muddies those things as much as it muddies cultural
distinctions and beliefs.

I am hopeful I did not offend you with my statement you quoted. I am not
sure you were addressing me specifically, or "you" as in the general population.

:)
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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #979 on: February 25, 2011, 10:13:13 am »
Hello Critter - a white non-ndn person!
I thought your answer to "MoonieSixkiller"  the one before you was a good one, therefore your quote. And I wanted to explain a bit about my thoughts and yes my message was a general one but also directed to "MoonieSixkiller". We are different we believe in different things but we have to coexist and do that with respect.
Have a good weekend..take good care of yourself and of each other..
Maria
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #980 on: February 25, 2011, 11:39:11 am »
Hi,

Just noticed the TOMC forum is no longer on the website.

Second SIght


New address:
http://healingsanctuary.freeforums.org/the-rainbow-cafe-f12.html

Checked out the Rainbow Cafe discussion. The thread with Chiron´s questions about Kiesha`s background is gone.
And that was a very polite and mature discussion - no hard words, no "attacks", no accusations. Just a wish to find out the truth.
The censorship is extremely strict!


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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #981 on: February 25, 2011, 03:50:57 pm »
HI Frieja,

So they moved to a free forum...wonder if the moderator will delete posts there?

How come there wasn't a link or something to the free forum? Maybe I missed it.

Chiron was so honest in his questions, if anyone deserved a direct response from LG it would be someone who donated hours of time in website development.

One can hardly keep up with all the changes, deletions, censorship and dodging tactics from LG's team! The LG Team's version of spin and hype! LOL!

Second Sight

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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #982 on: February 25, 2011, 05:16:45 pm »
HI Frieja,

How come there wasn't a link or something to the free forum? Maybe I missed it.

Chiron was so honest in his questions, if anyone deserved a direct response from LG it would be someone who donated hours of time in website development.

One can hardly keep up with all the changes, deletions, censorship and dodging tactics from LG's team! The LG Team's version of spin and hype! LOL!

I don´t think they ever put up a link to the free forum. There are apparantley a lot of people around who don´t know about this new forum. What was the reason for moving it? Haven´t got a clue. Maybe yet another Moderator "saw the light". ???  If I was a follower I would surely wonder what is going on. (But I guess that means having to be in your head instead of your heart...)

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #983 on: February 25, 2011, 06:53:55 pm »
New video today:


Making a Noise : Why Natives Should Protest Kiesha Crowther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyolOPbu_go

wyomingoutdoorsman | Feb 25, 2011 | 4 likes, 0 dislikes

The purpose of this video is to motivate people to protest Kiesha Crowther aka Little Grandmother. She is a charlatan. She has no compassion for Native people and she is not concerned that she is harming future generations by confusing authentic traditions with imitation rituals and non-Indian occult practices in an offensive and harmful pseudo-religious hodgepodge. Her activities create a momentous obstacle in the struggle of traditional people for mainstream recognition of our legitimate political, legal and spiritual concerns. She is doing great harm to native peoples because her bogus teachings supplant Native values of cooperation, generosity, sharing, honesty, and courage with vapid, narcissistic New Age self-centered values.


She refuses to deal honestly with the Native people she has outraged and offended and she will only acknowledge a vague, unnamed "elder" to validate the ridiculous story she has concocted to justify her exploitation, abuse and deliberate misrepresentation of sacred traditions.

Kiesha Crowther has no wisdom to teach. She should be learning a lessons from Native and environmental activists, not demonizing them and telling to stop thinking.

Kiesha Crowther is not the fulfillment of any Native prophesies. She is nothing more than a cult leader who promotes abominable and obscene imitations of sacred Lakota rites while promoting a dangerous and destructive philosophy that violates an individual's basic human right to reason, analyze and attribute his own meaning to the world around him.
I call on all our indigenous brothers and sisters from reservations, reserves, and traditional communities in the United States and Canada to actively and vocally oppose this alarming take-over and systematic destruction of sacred traditions.

I urge all indigenous people to coordinate with their tribal members living in urban areas to identify instances in which our sacred traditions are being abused, and then to resist this abuse, utilizing whatever specific tactics are necessary and sufficient.

As indigenous people, we all need to take strong action to ensure that our culture would be carried on by the younger generations, and by the generations yet to come. Our relatives have sacrificed in many areas to ensure that both our language and way of life will always survive and flourish for us not to take action against those who thoughtless exploit our life ways for money.


For more information, see this Press Release from AIM Santa Barbara:
http://is.gd/DeAs7H

http://www.aimsb.org/library/KCrowtherPressRelease.pdf

If you can't participate in the Little Grandmother protest, there are still things you can do to take a stand against her exploitation.

http://is.gd/U2frec

Join the Facebook group: League of Pissed off NDNZ for updates:

http://is.gd/Q5cOcf

The music you're listening to is Making a Noise by Robbie Robertson. You can get it here:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/robbie-robertson/id657429


"She has fabricated an identity in the style of racist white fantasies of native culture. She has created a hodge podge of New Age nonsense that trivializes and minimizes the beauty and complexity of indigenous ceremonial lifeways while erasing the uniqueness and diversity of individual tribal beliefs."

"Kiesha Crowther has demonstrated contempt for the integrity of the spiritual practices she distorts."

*** NOTE - video includes a brief but very clear image of the dead from one of the massacres ***

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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #984 on: February 25, 2011, 08:43:54 pm »
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Keisha Crowther, who has became known throughout Indian Country as "Little Fraudmother"- has came under intense scrutiny and research that has exposed her exaggerations of being the "Shaman" of the Salish and Sioux people. There is no such entity in existence, and she blames an individual named "Falling Feathers" for this deception, but she has continued to base her ongoing activities based on this foundation and making enormous profit from it. In December, she revised her statement to reflect this, however, she acts without any validity or authentic credentials in her background while relying upon a myth for her reason of being. Although she claims she will cease any representation of Native spirituality, she clings to a lie that she is something she never was, marketing this lie and capitalizing on this identity fraud.
Wyomingoutdoorsman:
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Kiesha Crowther has no wisdom to teach. She should be learning a lessons from Native and environmental activists, not demonizing them and telling to stop thinking.

Kiesha Crowther is not the fulfillment of any Native prophesies. She is nothing more than a cult leader who promotes abominable and obscene imitations of sacred Lakota rites while promoting a dangerous and destructive philosophy that violates an individual's basic human right to reason, analyze and attribute his own meaning to the world around him.


As you people are commenting Kiesha Crowther is constantly changing the contents in her Forum “ Tribe of Many Colors”, just to suit her own purposes. But still she bases her teachings on being a shaman lacking the validity from those she says she is representing. And she continues to make a great profit from it. And as I understand this has a great impact on the Native culture and spirituality, because she is confusing people about what it’s really about. I hope with all my heart that “The American Indian movement” and all the other groups might put an end to it. You got all my support.. Just wish I could do something more…

The important thing is not to stop questioning.
Albert Einstein

Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #985 on: February 25, 2011, 08:46:48 pm »
New video today:


Making a Noise : Why Natives Should Protest Kiesha Crowther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyolOPbu_go


Is it just me or does anyone else have a really hard time reading
the red lettering?  Maybe a darker/maroon type would work better?

But maybe it's just me.. so..

btw.. that's one of my fav songs :D
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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #986 on: February 25, 2011, 09:35:02 pm »
Hello critter - a white non-ndn person
I agree with you about the red lettering, could be a bit darker.
I also love his music... A very informative video..
The message is clear!


 from Kathryn on Today at 07:53:55 pm
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New video today:

Making a Noise : Why Natives Should Protest Kiesha Crowther

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyolOPbu_go


« Last Edit: July 18, 2014, 10:37:17 pm by Kathryn »
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #987 on: February 25, 2011, 11:45:09 pm »
I just signed up on the new forum and got in, as I was banned on the old forum. I posted a simple question so we will see how long I last.

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #988 on: February 26, 2011, 07:39:36 pm »
Initial reports are that the protest this morning went well, and was peaceful.

AIM members entered the building with a drum, passed out flyers and calmly educated the attendees.

Many people there to see Kiesha were assuming she was Indigenous, and had no idea she's a fraud. They were shocked to hear the truth about her. They listened and took flyers.

Last night Kiesha posted on facebook that she was vomiting on the floor in the airport, had a nose bleed and was thinking of canceling. She asked for prayers.  Today in Palm Springs she did show up for her talk, and in it she tried to blame her vomiting and nosebleeds on the NDNs.

More to come.

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Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #989 on: February 27, 2011, 12:17:47 am »
greetings from the high arizona desert ...
i posted this on another forum, i just wanted you all to know
that because of my education here, i may be able to shed
light on the info over there ... if you would like to read the post
in context, the link for the thread is at bottom - also, i am glad
to hear some attendees may have received more enlightenment than they
counted on, from the protest in palm springs

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i won't play the guru game, either, otter ...
i do not have a guru, so i am out ....
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i think the indians are watching and commenting and
organizing against ALL people who seem, to the indians,
to be commercializing sacred info/objects/ceremonies
for profit .... in my experience, when i compare someone
like john trudell (for an example) to kiesha c, trudell
rings truest, hands down and kiesha's credibility drops ...
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all i know is this: i could take all the new age/indigenous info
i have soaked up over the last 40 years, dress up in some
sort of costume, whether it be indian regalia or saffron robes,
and begin to speak/make vids/write essays/give interviews/etc
and some may be fooled into thinking i am the "real deal" ...
i probably wouldn't get too far, cuz you would need a bunch of cash
to propel the "business" toward any kind of big money ...
apparently, kiesha has some great backing, to have become so
popular so quickly ... and there is more to it than simply preaching
about love and light ... kiesha's assistant or manager started
to threaten lawsuits against people speaking out against her
and on their forum (tribe of many colors) anyone who asks a question
in regard to this "conflict" between kiesha and debunkers is
immediately banned ... there was a message sent out, supposedly
from this same manager, that the "dark ones" who have engaged in the
search for truth (or, smear campaign they would have you believe)
have had a curse put on them ... !!! doesn't sound so "loving" now, does it?
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so my question is, if kiesha is truly who
she says she is, why does she choose NOT to answer specific
inquiries into her lineage? why does she say she was appointed/trained
by a holy man of the tribe, but the tribe has no knowledge of this
male person? why does she claim to be recognized by others who then
put out a notice that she is mistaken? why have there been so many edits to
her own website, and i am talking about specific claims, not typos here...
just way too many questions for me to accept, without investigation, who this woman is ...
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you must understand, please, that i do not discuss my thoughts and feelings
here because i think any of you need protection from con games, i contribute to
the conversation in the same spirit as any other topic - i am curious
to know the truth
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if you visit lg's forum, i think you will see a lot of similarities to other
forums we have discussed along with methods of indoctrination/censorship/cult-like behavior ...

http://theforceiswithinyou.twilightlegend.com/t4580-2011-little-grandmother#41281