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Offline bls926

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2009, 03:36:25 am »
Added to the AIM PA Myspace page today:

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N.E. Autonomous A.I.M. 911 Peak Road Wheelock, Vermont 05851 Chinka Whitekiller, Director Phone: 802-626-5101 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Let it be known that Lancaster & Chester County A.A.I. M. (Post Office Box 94 , Pequea , Pennsylvania ) is a newly formed chapter of Autonomous A.I.M. It is required that each new chapter be sponsored by an existing chapter, with the advice and consent of other Autonomous chapters. Let it be known this day (October 7, 2009) that the Lancaster & Chester County chapter is sponsored by the Northeast Chapter of Autonomous American Indian Movement. Should there be any questions or further information needed, you should contact the sponsoring chapter, whose contact information is listed in the heading above. We hope that all people who come in contact with this Chapter treat them with the respect and appreciation befitting of A.I.M. members. Signed, Chinka Whitekiller, Director

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Offline NanticokePiney

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2009, 08:19:28 pm »
 The whole purpose of a "support-protest" group is to get the attention of educated and influential people. Cursing, yelling, flipping the bird, promoting violence and generally acting foolish is counter-productive to what a group is trying to achieve. There is also the proven philosophy that "people who scream the loudest are the easiest to ignore".
 

Offline Don Naconna

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2009, 09:20:29 pm »
I fully agree with you, as I told you in the PM. We have the same thing happening here. Non aboriginals have convinced themselves that not only are they aboriginals but radical who should lead them. I have no doubt that is what the whole issue is with "Niiki" AKA Renz and TBE is about.

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2009, 05:34:00 am »
still trying to find out who said he is peltiers son?
Gene "Thunderwolf"  Also say he is head of free Leonard movement.

http://www.dailyitem.com/panews/images_sizedimage_209182641/resources_photoview

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=443979173&blogId=502719851

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=482688156&albumID=376193&imageID=1767758


I think I know how this story got started. Thunderwolf, as the head of the Leonard Peltier Support Group of PA, uses the name Leonard Peltier on their myspace instead of LPBSG PA or his own name, as the other Support Groups do. So, whenever he makes a comment or joins another group, it looks like Leonard Peltier is doing it.

Examples from http://www.myspace.com/lpdocpa

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Leonard Peltier joined the groups Indigenous Live Chat Room and Saint Cloud American Indian Movement.

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Leonard Peltier joined the group: Mafia Queen.


Since Peltier doesn't have access to a computer, some people may have thought this was his son. Instead, it's Thunderwolf misappropriating Leonard Peltier's identity.

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2009, 07:18:45 pm »

This speaks of all the aim groups that are out there that are frauds and using their tradematks. I also have an AIM in Santa Barbra, CA if you want that posted. It is so all over whelming of all that is going on all over the wordl concerning Native American Indians. ???
   
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Offline bls926

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2009, 08:02:13 pm »
I've wondered about the trademark violation, too, with this group and with other individuals pretending to be members of AIM. Somehow it ups your Indianness if you post an AIM logo on your website or myspace. At least some people think it does.

Offline flyaway

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2009, 10:11:02 pm »
"A.I.M.-PA is autonomous,and although we are fighting sum of the same causes as the LPDOC-PA,we are not the same group.
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This pretty much says it all. I wonder who these other autonomous groups are???

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Trad Dancer

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2009, 01:14:55 am »
A.I.M.GCCC v/s Autonomous A.I.M........Whos the Big Shot? Whats the difference? Shouldnt we all be workin together? Why all the diversity? Does having a federally recognized card make you more of an Native? and copyright this,copyright that........our ancestors didnt stress copyrights or any other kinda government rule.

 Yes the Autonomous AIM of Chester-Lancaster county is young,but they are learning and trying,which is more than i can say for the people in this thread here.Also,you can smash thier sponsor all you want but i know these guys and they wouldnt be doing this if they didnt have a legitamate person backing them.

So people in South Dakota never heard of them,that doesnt mean they dont exist.There are people here who never heard of A.I.M. divisions out west but thier out there and theyre legit,So take your heads out of your rears and give them a chance.

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Offline bls926

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2009, 04:56:38 am »
A.I.M.GCCC v/s Autonomous A.I.M........Whos the Big Shot? Whats the difference? Shouldnt we all be workin together? Why all the diversity? Does having a federally recognized card make you more of an Native? and copyright this,copyright that........our ancestors didnt stress copyrights or any other kinda government rule.

 Yes the Autonomous AIM of Chester-Lancaster county is young,but they are learning and trying,which is more than i can say for the people in this thread here.Also,you can smash thier sponsor all you want but i know these guys and they wouldnt be doing this if they didnt have a legitamate person backing them.

So people in South Dakota never heard of them,that doesnt mean they dont exist.There are people here who never heard of A.I.M. divisions out west but thier out there and theyre legit,So take your heads out of your rears and give them a chance.

Trad Dancer

Have you read the posts in this thread, all of them? Did you read Al's post? You might want to go back and read what's been said. You're making a fool of yourself and not doing a thing to help your buddies. Some here have worked with AIM for 30 + years; probably about as long as you've been alive. You've said that AIM-PA "is young, but they are learning and trying". The best way to learn is to open your eyes and ears and close your mouth.

Offline bls926

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2009, 01:16:36 pm »
They've changed their name again. I understand adding Autonomous, but I wonder why the change from PA to Chester-Lancaster Co.

Original: American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
Last Week: Autonomous A.I.M. of PA.
Current: Autonomous A.I.M. of Chester-Lancaster County


They've made their pictures & members (except for their Top 40) private. Wonder why the secrecy. However, you can still read their blogs.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2009, 01:20:13 pm by bls926 »

Offline flyaway

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2009, 06:04:48 pm »
A.I.M.GCCC v/s Autonomous A.I.M........Whos the Big Shot? Whats the difference? Shouldnt we all be workin together? Why all the diversity? Does having a federally recognized card make you more of an Native? and copyright this,copyright that........our ancestors didnt stress copyrights or any other kinda government rule.

 Yes the Autonomous AIM of Chester-Lancaster county is young,but they are learning and trying,which is more than i can say for the people in this thread here.Also,you can smash thier sponsor all you want but i know these guys and they wouldnt be doing this if they didnt have a legitamate person backing them.

So people in South Dakota never heard of them,that doesnt mean they dont exist.There are people here who never heard of A.I.M. divisions out west but thier out there and theyre legit,So take your heads out of your rears and give them a chance.

Trad Dancer

I curious to know why you have not applied to the A.I.M.GCCC to become a legit sattelite group? You can not present yourself as real A.I.M. by using their seal, which than misleads people as to who you realy are, anymore than than these supposed tribes can use the Cherokee Nation seal to mislead people to believe they are the real ETor CNO.

I am also curious as to what you have done so far for our people. What is the intent of your group???? Who is this legitimate person?
Walk with the Sun; Dance with the Moon; Sing with the Stars; But always...Run with the Wind. -
Snow Owl, Nevada. December 8, 2001

Mizheekay

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2009, 11:33:02 pm »
Blame on me....  I only "read over" above (even less) and so far I got the 'question'.

Is it questionably (by any sense) to get Leonard free ??

If not...  teach me ( in a SIMPLE way ! ) what it is, you spend your time for !! = thx

Offline bls926

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2009, 12:09:45 am »
Blame on me....  I only "read over" above (even less) and so far I got the 'question'.

Is it questionably (by any sense) to get Leonard free ??

If not...  teach me ( in a SIMPLE way ! ) what it is, you spend your time for !! = thx

I'm not sure what you're saying/asking. Are you saying that getting Leonard out of prison is the goal, one we should all be working toward, and we should accept whatever support is given, no matter where it comes from? Are you asking why we question some of the people who support him? That's what it sounds like to me. Getting Leonard released from prison is important and anyone can work toward that goal. However, people need to be honest about who they are. They need to be respectful. This applies to life, not just this issue.

If that isn't what you were asking, please explain.

Mizheekay

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2009, 02:35:11 am »
Yes  --  bls 926...  I do ask for (the) goal...

I do ask for respect ( !! )

Yet... WHO AM I to question "whatever support is given" (will be given) ????????

I DO LIVE.....  by my very best abilities...
and [plus] I've learned that it is'nt my job to JUDGE others (but request 'respect') --

I've learned to question "we" when it comes to make MY choice !!

I've learned to 'educate' myself about *issues* and 'doublecheck' if // how they fit....
yet 'affect' my very own life and beliefs !

In return:  when you speak of "we"...  who is it... OR  who are you ?

I am  honest and.. upon my best: I'm respectful and therefore IT applies to my -personal- life !!

So I guess.. I DID (asking) right ?!....  how about you ( heartguided - not mind-guided )

please...

{{{ to be on the save side =   YES:  no matter how.....  Gfa Leonard deserve to be free !!!
      and it's YOUR choice to claim that only restrictions WOULD lead towards this !
      (if I got that right =  congrats.....  and joyful dreams to come !)  }}}

Mizheekay

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Re: Is this group for real? AIM PA, Leonard Peltier's son
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2009, 02:45:31 am »
sorry  (( grammar ))   never sure [learned] when it is *did / does* ... etc...

be insightfully here (and with me ~ language-wise  :) )