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I was emailed this and wanted to post it to let you know some new guests here are doing

From a "black Indian" group. Al Carroll is an Indian history professor who has led the fight against phonies and wannabee frauds. These folks have retaliated with a slander campaign. If you know about his group let folks know about this campaign to discredit Al Carroll.



GREETINGS TO THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE, OVER THE YEARS I
HAVE SEEN THE BEAUTY HERE. I HAVE JOINED THIS SITE TO WARN YOU ALL,
THAT A MAN CLAIMING TO BE A PROTECTOR THE INDIAN COMMUNITY PRACTICES
AND WHOM IS INDIAN AND NOT IS SLANDERING THIS GROUP. HIS NAME IS ALTON
CARROLL HE IS SOME TYPE OF WATCH DOG HE STARTED WITH A YAHOO GROUP
SITE NAMED NAFPS. HE WAS CLOSED DOWN FOR SLANDER AND NOW REAPPEARED
WITH A NEW GROUP CALLED NAFPS THAT HAS A BIGGER AUDIENCE. I FOUND YOUR
GROUP THERE
AND MANY MORE. HE CLAIMS NOT TO BE RACIST BUT HAS PROVED TO BE. YOU
CAN INVESTIGATE HIM BY GOING ON WWW.HEYOKA MAGAZINE.COM IF IT IS NOT
COM IT IS .ORG. I AM SORRY TO BE THE CARRIER OF BAD NEWS.ALSO RESEARCH
IS NAME ON WWW.INDIANZ. COM. HE AND WHITE PEOPLE WRITE GARBAGE ALL DAY
ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE. EVEN SO CALLED FULL BLOODS HAVE BEEN TARGETED.
HE IS TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF THROUGH OUR STRUGGLES TO
RECLAIM OUR HERITAGE AND PRACTICES. I HAVE ENCLOSED A PICTURE OF HIM
ON THIS SITE,YOU CAN ALSO FIND HIS BIO ON
HTTP://WWW.AMERICAN INDIANPRISONERS. COM/PAGES/ AL%20CARROLL. HTM IF YOU
HAVE ANY PROBLEM FINDING THIS INFO ON AL CARROLL PUT HIS NAME AS
SPELLED IN GOOGLE SEARCH HIS NAME WILL POP UP, YOU CAN GO ON THE NEW
NAFPS WEBSITE AND FIND YOUR GROUP THERE. JOIN AND FIND YOUR BNAA NAME
AND PRINT IT OUT. IF YOU CHALLENGE HIM HE WILL STOP YOU FROM BEING A
MEMBER AND PREVENT YOU FROM COMMENTING BACK TO HIM, WE ARE TRYING TO
GO TO THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION. WRITE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW
AROUND THE COUNTRY THE UNIVERSITIES THAT HE CLAIMS HE WORKED FOR AND
LET THEM HEAR YOUR VOICES. HE IS MAKING A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET AND
TRYING TO DESTROY LIVES AND REPRETATIONS.

So I guess Sakima was a member of the Binay "Tribe" cult? We would never have known if she hadn't gone off and exploded like that at the very first question someone asked. And I didn't even talk with her.

It makes me smile just imagining what the feds will say to their complaints.

"Officers, you gotta do something to protect our cult! He...he...he...he's ASKING QUESTIONS! Oh Gawd, the horror!"

She never even registered, just used guest status to write that, then took off.

Quote from: educatedindian on March 04, 2008, 11:48:37 PM
So I guess Sakima was a member of the Binay "Tribe" cult? We would never have known if she hadn't gone off and exploded like that at the very first question someone asked. And I didn't even talk with her.

It makes me smile just imagining what the feds will say to their complaints.

"Officers, you gotta do something to protect our cult! He...he...he...he's ASKING QUESTIONS! Oh Gawd, the horror!"

I think that was "Chief" Firebird that wrote that. It was all in caps. Sakima did not use caps. Firebird did.  The Cherokee- Blackfoot also came on my forum and posted about Dr. Al not being Apache. 

QuoteHE AND WHITE PEOPLE WRITE GARBAGE ALL DAY ABOUT INNOCENT PEOPLE. EVEN SO CALLED FULL BLOODS HAVE BEEN TARGETED.

When people criticize NAFPS for  targeting full bloods, it always makes me wonder about  how they think people become authorized to be a traditional spiritual leader.

Do they really believe this correlates with blood quantum- like;

Full blood = Natural born Spiritual leader, and it doesn't matter if the Native community doesn't like the person and considers them dishonest or exploitive .

1/2  = A competent Spiritual leader 1/2 the time

1/4 BQ = Incompetent Spiritual leader 3/4 of the time even if they come from a family that has always lived within a recognized Native community and have dedicated their lives to serving this community and are highly respected in their community.

If that is what they believe it sounds extremely racist .
   

QuoteHE CLAIMS NOT TO BE RACIST BUT HAS PROVED TO BE.

Since when is judging people by their actions, standing and service to the community they claim as their own, "racist"?

Isn't it the people who believe a persons ability to provide leadership is race based who are being racist?   

Here is the newest email from the guy who post this in the first place under his real name.

LOL. I believe I must be the most misunderstood person on the
internet. Yes I am a victim of the great wannabee conspiracy. I don't
take all the credit for exposing phonies, nor do I claim to be
anything except what I am, a Canadian (American born) mixed race,
history professor. I have been involved in exposing internet phonies
for almost a decade now. Most people have real trouble understanding
what motivates me, because most people are driven by race and
racialism. I oppose all forms of racially supremacy, and that
includes all races. I have been accused of being a racist, which is
absolutely ridiculous, I am totally opposed to anyone of any race
believing that their race is superior to any other.
If you are a racialist, then consider me to be your worst nightmare,
like those wannabee groups. BTW I am even more hated by black
racists, because many cannot accept the truth about racial equality.
The fact is that I am a professional historian, and educator. When I
do email off list it is meant to inform. I have had some really
defensive people accuse me of harrassing women. Nothing could be
further from the truth, however women can be just as wrong as men and
should be corrected when they or anyone disseminates false
information. This is nore harrasment than answering a student
question in my class. I never make any statement publically that
cannot be substantiated. For those who have trouble with seeing the
facts and accepting reality, that's not my fault. But rather than
spread rumours and innuendos, be honest.
Frankly, I don't care about individuals who believe they know all the
answers. I freely admit that I don't, but it is my profession to find
the answers. Those who are most critical of teachers and professors
are usually those who are defensive about having little education
themselves.

So to recap!
1. I am not a racist, I am opposed to racism in all forms from all
peoples and groups
2. I have been the victim of the wannabees and phonies for years
3. I am mixed race, NOT Indian although I have Indian blood and have
lived and worked on reserves I do not claim to be Indian
4. I would like to know about some of the frauds and phonies I have
exposed like Thomas Adkins (Greywolf) and Jerry Monroe (Chief Jerry
Eaglefeather) . I provided information to Al Carroll about both of
these frauds, and had these wannabee warriors try to get me fired
from the univesity where I was teaching at that time. I have retained
counsel to deal with identity theft by wannabees and super Indians,
white and black racists and even neo Nazis
5. I accept that many people have a hard time with accepting truth
from people like me with extensive formal education
6. My enemy is racism and racial supremacy
If you're going to talk about me TELL THE TRUTH
7. I don't harass anyone, I inform, educate and correct
misinformation, rather than embarass people in groups, I do it in
private.

Dr. Frasnklin Farmer
Toronto
PS Now I'm out of here

You have to get use to Frank, he has more e-mail addies than anyone on the world. He been kicked off many lists and he can get on your nerves. I think he means well, it's just the way he goes about things that can kill you.

I am a bit confused ...( or maybe more than a bit)

Is the email posted in the first post written by the same person who wrote the email
posted by Earth in reply # 5 ?

If so I don't understand their perspective at all. The first post claims to be upset with what we do here, and criticizes people like Al who expose frauds, and reply # 5 says they have been working to expose frauds for years, and have been passing information to Al.

Is this two different people or one person with what seems to be some very contradictory attitudes?   

Sorry but I have no clue who Frasnklin Farmer is ... (?) 

I think he probably posted it in that group, but didn't write it, doesn't look like his writings. Looks like it is being sent around to different groups.

Quote from: earthw7 on March 04, 2008, 09:46:50 PM
HE CLAIMS NOT TO BE RACIST BUT HAS PROVED TO BE.
HE AND WHITE PEOPLE

I'm telling you all. It's "Chief" Firebird of the Cherokee-Blackfeet. It's her MO. She a racist who always is the first to scream racism. On her first attack that Dr. Al moved to the thread she tried that "racism play". Plus everywhere she writes she's "cap happy".
 
"But Momma Firebird dun fro dis heer Nanticoke Moor in dat der br'er patch by doin her race play."   

I am confused too!!
It was lewis tonne <strongnfree1968@yahoo.ca> who wrote this.

One lady said please be careful of donna and lewis tonne.... this person has like a
split personality... he it will do anything say anything to get your
goat...be careful...

another:
WTF???????? You sure don't have to do any damn thing around here to get attacked! I have done nothing to make anyone defend themselves. I am not Frank Farmer and have been attacked by him many times. All I did was present a couple of facts and I get dumped on! You people are ridiculous!! !!

then another:
To make facts clear - I think Prairie Fire was trying to defend you
Donna not upset you - Prairie Fire - can you correct me if I am
wrong?...is just the way I read it, the internet can be such a
difficult place to get things across right eh?

Then nthe last post that I posted so I am confused

I hasten to add that I think Donna is more than capable of kicking
$ss when she needs to but we all defend each eh?

Secondly Lewis Tonne is indeed Fred/Frank Farmer and yes, he does
send unsolicited private emails to women of the groups who challenge
his "intelligence" /qualifications and who he considers fair game
against his "enormous" intellect and on many occassions has issued
threats.

I have several of these unsolicited private emails.

I would most strongly advise posting the private emails publicly as
he then stops sending them.I would also advise anyone getting those
mails unsolicited to privately email the group owner as it can get
most distressing.

However, I see Lewis Tonne is behaving decorously in public though we
know Prairie Fire has indeed already recieved one such email

OK...thats me done on that topic...

Donna

QuoteHIS NAME IS ALTON
CARROLL HE IS SOME TYPE OF WATCH DOG HE STARTED WITH A YAHOO GROUP
SITE NAMED NAFPS. HE WAS CLOSED DOWN FOR SLANDER AND NOW REAPPEARED
WITH A NEW GROUP CALLED NAFPS THAT HAS A BIGGER AUDIENCE. I FOUND YOUR
GROUP THERE
AND MANY MORE. HE CLAIMS NOT TO BE RACIST BUT HAS PROVED TO BE.

This is worded almost identically to weird, anonymous comments that have been turning up on blogs and forums. The poster usually shows up to defend the racists and appropriators, and rants about things like DNA tests. Seems to be connected to Yeagley.

One of the aliases he uses is "APACHE_NDN" http://www.blogger.com/profile/11407824369824516940 . The odd thing is, some of the places these rants are turning up have nothing to do with Al.

"APACHE_NDN" is yet another ID that John Martin used to spam this forum. Not too bright, as usual. Martin, remember, is a supporter of white supremacist David Yeagley and also works with crackpot  Nuage promoter John Lekay. He's probably getting angry again because his attempts to come after me keep backfiring. Over at the Indianz board he recently got many members offering to run him over with a bus.

John Martin makes more sense, Frank Farmer is indeed more than just a pain in the side but that first post is not him. I almost bet on that one. This seems to be the old divide and conquer ploy.  Earth all those different emails are probably Frank Farmer he has multiple under different names. I wouldn't even venture a guess how many he has.

I understand now thank you.