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Quote from: Cetan on August 04, 2008, 03:00:31 PM
Thank you for clarifying that, Ask Me First made it sound like Steve was given a medal.  I am wondering who it was from Rosebud who gave Evans the bonnet since usually making a chief is done within the tiospaye.

The bonnet was given here since this is the area that Evans lives at now. He was presented it in the midst of the community here. He has been in SD the last two weeks being brought into the circle and presented before the tiospaye.

Quote from: earthw7 on August 04, 2008, 03:40:54 PM
I was wondering why the rest of Lakota perple were not informed of this?
It would be nice to find out who did this and if they received any money for this
ceremony.
Anyone representing us should have been acknowledge by us.

Now comeon... you're making it sound underhanded or sleazy here. Hell no .. no one received any money for this honor and to insinuate otherwise is insulting.

Since you're in Ft Yates it would be impossible to bring EVERYONE to one spot for a huge event . Even Oliver Red Cloud didn't have that. LoL I guess since he will be brought before the people he will be acknowledged by those that matter eh?

I am sorry if you are offended but Indian country is small.
We all acknowledge that Oliver Red Cloud is a chief.
Steve Emery was made a chief last year we acknowledge that too.
In Indian Country the words get around.


which tiospaye?

so many questions that have to asked
I am in Fort Yates on the Rock but i have relatives on most of the reservations here.

Does this mean Steve is federally recognized? I don't know, but by him being acknowledged with that medal, it seems so. 

I don't think so.

Steve is not federal recognized

Quote from: earthw7 on August 04, 2008, 06:56:38 PM


Steve is not federal recognized

You're right. I don't think they meant federal tribal recognition meaning that he would be an enrolled member. That he could never be because he has no blood quantum.

I'm not offended. I was just saying that money had nothing to do with anything. ;-)

Who presented Evans White face with the bonnet and made him chief?

It was a well known chief and he had the support and agreement from other chiefs. I have the feeling even if I said Crazy Horse himself came back to present it that it wouldn't be good enough for some. LoL

Quote from: Creative Native on August 04, 2008, 09:51:13 PMIt was a well known chief

Well, if he's well known he should have a name then, shouldn't he?

Quoteand he had the support and agreement from other chiefs.

I'd think they would have names, too.

Yes he does and some people applaud my effort in not plastering it all over the web.

If someone is acting on behalf of the oyate they should not be afraid to have their actions made public; the fact that the name of the person who gave Evans White Face the bonnet is not made public makes me question whether he had the authority to do so. There are many so called chiefs and holy men back home who have become corrupt.

I bet it is ol Crow Dog who has made instance medicine men all over the place

QuoteIf someone is acting on behalf of the oyate they should not be afraid to have their actions made public; the fact that the name of the person who gave Evans White Face the bonnet is not made public makes me question whether he had the authority to do so. There are many so called chiefs and holy men back home who have become corrupt.

Then how bout you list the "corrupt" ones and I'll tell you if the name and the ones that were in support of this were on the list. ;-)

QuoteI bet it is ol Crow Dog who has made instance medicine men all over the place

What are their names? ;-)

Quote from: Cetan on August 04, 2008, 03:00:31 PM
Thank you for clarifying that, Ask Me First made it sound like Steve was given a medal.  I am wondering who it was from Rosebud who gave Evans the bonnet since usually making a chief is done within the tiospaye.

I was there at that ceremony and I saw the medal presented to Evans and then Steve was told that he was going to receive one as well. There were rumors of those there that wanted to strip Steve if his bonnet, and the man in the middle told all about it. He said that Steve was honorable and should not be persecuted in that way. There was alot more that happened there, but I will not say it here.
Since that ceremony I believe the medal has come to Steve. It doesn't mean he has blood or is federally recognized.....but it tells me this Chief sees him as honorable and also that in the eyes of the gov he is a chief and he can act on behalf of his tiospaye as a chief, at least this is my understanding.

As far as who presented Chief Evans Whiteface goes, when I first signed up I was advised not to throw names around on this board. Out of respect for the man who put that bonnet on Evans' head I won't say it, but people here can ask around back home and find out. I do agree with Creative Native that it wouldn't matter who did it, it would still meet with opposition here. No disrespect intended, its just the way it is.

Quote from: Creative Native on August 01, 2008, 05:17:09 AM
Isn't it a fact that Gilley was involved with this dance too for a number of years?

That was before my time there, but it is my understanding that he did indeed frequent this Sundance.

Quote from: tahcha_sapa on July 11, 2008, 09:51:37 AM

Quote from: alpine cat on July 09, 2008, 02:27:46 PMPeople are making people, are the webpages made by Steve?
I.e. tahcha_sapa wrote, that norman running was involved in a scandal... Was his father Elmer as well involved or is this a related discussion?

If you look at one website in particular that deals with Steve McCullogh's 'sundance', you will see that it is actually site that promotes the website designer's business as well as selling a book from a white author who claims that her husband is a "full-blooded Dakota" (but declines to provide a name that can provide a means to evaluate a claim to legitimate tribal claim). The website is a shingle from a  couple of shills, get it? If you ever go to a large US city, you may run into someone running an illegal Three-card Monte scam on a street corner.  Same thing.  It's an enterprise that relies on shills to perpetuate the fraud.  Shills are legal in Las Vegas casinos because they use the casino's own money to create the impression of a legitimate gambler participating in a game. 
Norman and Steve are frauds who are clever enough to see the kind of interest - money - that a legitimate Lakota medicineman, like Norbert, generates. Norman is a fraud who also happens to be an enrolled member of the Rosebud Sioux tribe. Steve is a fraud who is not an enrolled member of any tribe whatsoever. That's the difference between those two.

Definition of Fraud

All multifarious means which human ingenuity can devise, and which are resorted to by one individual to get an advantage over another by false suggestions or suppression of the truth. It includes all surprises, tricks, cunning or dissembling, and any unfair way which another is cheated.

Source: Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed., by Henry Campbell Black, West Publishing Co., St. Paul, Minnesota, 1979.

In these two cases, with Norman and Steve, who - besides the individuals bilked of money - are the victims? The victims are the enrolled members of the Rosebud Sioux tribe and their descendants. The history, culture and spiritual values of the Rosebud Sioux are stolen and corrupted in order to meet the psychological and fiscal needs of desperate people who would otherwise have to work at real jobs like the rest of us.
Cons seem to believe that they are above the laws. That they can outsmart the rest of us who are on to them. But, the prisons are filled with cons who relied on b.s. and luck in order to perpetuate their scams. Regardless of their success, cons need to remember that B.S. only takes a person so far and everyone's luck ALWAYS runs out.

What website are you referring to?

So why does Steve McCullough tell people he is "Shawnee"?

And why are so many of his and Evans's community white PODIAs (many of them claiming to "be Cherokee" although they aren't enrolled anywhere)?

I'm genuinely curious.