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lol... Porky is going to opinionate.  lol

Quote from: nighthawk on June 22, 2008, 06:25:10 PM

I wonder where the preference for the "paler" or the fair by Europeans came from. I read someplace that the Romans would buy blonde hair from Northern Europeans to make wigs. The North Africans (Egyptians) used henna and other herbs to lighten their hair. But it was taken to an extreme by Western Europeans around the time of the first colonisations which was when they started powdering their faces and bodies and wearing snowy white wigs, maybe they went through some sort of culture shock when they encountered other humans in other parts of the world who were browner.

I read somewhere  that the powdered look originated with 'royalty'.  It was a 'sign' of 'royal breeding' that you never had a tan.  Having a tan meant that you worked in the fields (peasant).  So, no royalty wanted to be confused with peasants so they powdered their faces to obliviate any trace of a tan.  Over time, court courtiers and other social climbers looking to 'better' their social standing also powdered their faces - to separate themselves from the working classes, i.e people the social climbers did not want to be confused/associated with.

Nowadays, since the industrial revolution, working people have moved indoors to the factories so 'royalty/priviledged' people now have the leisure to sit around and snooze in the sun - which gives them tans that say, "See. I am wealthy - I have a lot of spare time to sit around in the sun'  while the 'poor workers' (peasants) stay indoors and do all the work."
Now tans are in... at least until skin cancer kills everyone off.  It's all a false, social climbing, class system. 

You want my real opinion of royalty? They are a bunch of greedy people who take what does not belong to them and what they did not earn and they also have a very SKEERY inbreeding program which has resulted in a lot of genetic defects.  Anyone who wants to be royalty is is probably a prime candidate.  lol  After all, only a stupid person would want bad genes on purpose.

Quote from: nighthawk on June 22, 2008, 06:25:10 PM
I think that "black Dutch" referred to the Moors that settled in the Netherlands and their descendants; and with the Irish, I think that "black Irish" referred to the Celtic "type" that are fair skinned, but have very dark colored hair and usually blue eyes. Not all Celtic (gaelic language speaking) people are blonde or red-haired.

I don't know anything about the Moors and the Dutch but what you say about the 'Black Irish' is correct.  Black hair, blue eyes, fair skinned, but given sunlight (Ireland is foggy) Black Irish tan up.  It's just a variation on type.  Black Irish, in my family at least, refers to a person having blue-black hair.

Medicine Wheels...  Sun Dances..  One of my cousins told me several years ago that they were having a Sun Dance at Pleasant Point.  Which I thought was very strange and told him so.  That's not Sun Dance country.  Are they still holding them there?  Is it an AIM thing?

Ops. Sorry for not being clear....  I figured since this thread was talking about that-a-ways back east country you'd know I meant Pleasant Point rez Maine- Passamaquoddy

Quote from: porkypine on June 30, 2008, 08:43:14 PM
Medicine Wheels...  Sun Dances..  One of my cousins told me several years ago that they were having a Sun Dance at Pleasant Point.  Which I thought was very strange and told him so.  That's not Sun Dance country.  Are they still holding them there?  Is it an AIM thing?

  Yup! It's AIM. The Piscataway and Nanticoke were holding them too. I don't agree with it, nor ever particpated.

I just recently was approved to join this NAFPS group, based on a message forwarded to me by Hart Perley at Tobique, about a warning from Andrea Bear Nicholas on medicine wheels and edgy new age connections.  I have seen far too much of this over the last 25 years, and it galls me to think we are adopting things not part of our own ancestral teachings, and how we begin to fall into a trap begun by outsiders who "know everything about Wabanaki culture".  Kinda reminds me of old anthro jokes from the 60's & 70's.  So WHY do we allow ourselves to fall into such traps and then get caught up?

Tim,

Could you please ask Hart to ask his relative Ed Perley why he is participating in this - http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3920.0 and why he feels it is okay to exclude people from the community this ceremony actually belongs to?  Thank you.