Author Topic: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles  (Read 2678 times)

Offline educatedindian

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One of the stranger and more ridiculous frauds out there, an American claiming to be the King of Wales and many other falsehoods. From his own site:

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https://britons.international/llywelyn-uthyrpendragon?fbclid=IwY2xjawGbAIdleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfdx5rH_ZHqQ-6bUx9O5qtKVL_L1vQqBOgLNLzIwAlCEjXt-xbFbxmw2wQ_aem__6dw_cef9GZVH_Kf6386bQ
His Imperial Majesty, Llywelyn, Imperator of Avalon, Atlantean Emperor, British Emperor, Celtic Emperor, Roman Emperor, Augustus, Pontifex Maximus, Great King of the Britons, Celtic King of the Britons, Pharaoh of Egypt, King of the Titans, Defender of the Britons, Chiefest of the Britons, Supporter of the whole kingdom of Britons, Brenin y Brythoniad, Rex Orbus, Rex Britannorum, Brittannie Rex, Teyrn y Prydain, Brenin y Prydain, King of Troas, Gomer, Cronus, Sadyrn, Brenin y Cymru, King of the Welsh, Tywysog Cymru, Conductor of the Unified Roar, King of Greece, Quetzalcoatl, Y Mab Darogan

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Pharoah, Roman Emperor, and Quetzalcoatl at the same time? On top of all the phony Welsh or Briton claims. And it gets even weirder.

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....a rich and mixed ancestry, being British, English, German, Irish, and Hebrew on his father’s side, and Spanish, Mexican, and Native American on his mother’s line. His military service made him a warrior according to ancient British standards, having earned the right to bear a sword, as well as in his native American tribe. A warrior is the tribal equivalent of nobility in native American culture.

....some may feel that his American birth should have excluded him from British dynastic succession, his claim actually fulfilled the British Druidic and Bardic prophecies, or the Prophecies of Merlin, as they are called in the English "Bruts". It was a lawful claim, according to the British or Welsh laws. The Daroganau (Prophecies) compose approximately 20% of all ancient British literature. They are a cornerstone of British political ideology. Several daroganau state that Y Mab Darogan (the son of the prophecy) would be an "allfro" (Expatriot or foreigner) rather than a Cymro (native) from “across the sea”, which would redeem and restore the people to the correct church and history, and would run counter to the popular historical belief, he will rally the Britons internationally, and will liberate the inhabitants of Britain and Brittany (Breizh/Llydaw) from the tyrants and "usurpers".

....His Imperial Majesty's Y-chromosome, which passes from father to son virtually unchanged, made him a legitimate British dynast according to the British laws and customs. According to these laws the Windsors are unqualified. This is why the Windsors do not have any of the titles or style of the legitimate British monarchs. His Y-chromosome terminal SNP is R-BY87004, which places him in the Pretani (British) L-21 tree lateral of the Stuarts of Scotland. This matches with the genesis legend of Britain which states that the British and Scottish royal families were descended of the ancient Kings of Great Britain, or the Christian Imperial British dynasty.

....As a result of his claim, and rallying the Britons internationally, he has received a great deal of harassment, rape, and even death threats. Mostly from members and former members of the English Army. Most likely from the 77th Brigade, which swears allegiance only to the 'usurpers of Britain', rather than the British nation, constitution, flags, or otherwise. Most people are completely oblivious to the massive machine working against them, repeating false information from every venue, spreading false history and propaganda; all allegedly in the name of unity and the common good. Yet, we all know that this common good seems to only benefit a few elites. The B.B.C. (ironically not British) produced a television show episode to mock him, which completely ignorant of British culture, history, literature, and the British restoration belief long held by the Brits.

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The rest of the site includes his young adult children roped into his loony claims as alleged heirs to the throne. There's also another site allowing literally anyone to claim to be a citizen of his kingdom.


Offline Sandy S

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Lawrence J Jones Jr
Lawrence Joseph Jones
Cymru Tywysog Llywelyn Jones
Jones Cymru

His trademark application for Brittannie:

"The literal element of the mark consists of BRITTANNIE. The mark consists of standard characters, without claim to any particular font style, size, or color.
The applicant, Cymru Tywysog Llywelyn, DBA Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru, a citizen of United States, having an address of
      Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru
      1810 E Sahara Ave Suite 363
      Las Vegas, Nevada 89104
      United States"

"International Class _______: Providing online non-downloadable and downloadable content in the fields of British restoration, antiquity, culture, and customs; providing information on the international political movement advocating for the restoration of the nation of the Brits symbolized by the red dragon and golden dragon standard, representing the true Monarchy of Britain known as 'Unbennaeth Prydain'; serving as a focal point for individuals of British descent, including Britons, Bretons, Brythons, and others, to unite; promoting the restoration of the Brits by sharing British restoration political prophecies ('Daroganau') found in ancient British literature
Intent to Use: The applicant has a bona fide intention, and is entitled, to use the mark in commerce on or in connection with the identified goods/services."

Do trademark search here: https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information

That Vegas address is a virtual office space.

I matched the birthdate he listed on his petition for name change to birthdate on public records, his mother's maiden name is Salazar. He himself born Oceanside, California, United States in 1983.

It looks like in 2017 he managed to legally change his name from Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr to Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru. https://kingdomofwales.wales/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/US-Change-of-Name-Documents-full.pdf According to this he was in Japan when he began the name change process.

Offline Sandy S

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He believes that, like the Native Americans in the United States, the Welsh are an indigenous people who are entitled to billions in reparations.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/rival-king-wales-claim-throne-12687957

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I make a living as an engineering liaison for an aviation company

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/who-latest-claimant-king-wales-12691188

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On 11/05/2020 Jones Cymru filed a Labor - Other Labor lawsuit against Bell Helicopter Textron Inc. This case was filed in San Diego County Superior Courts

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-sd-jones-cymru-vs-bell-helicopter-textron-inc-1070868

He has lots of legal uploaded to his site including:
https://kingdomofwales.wales/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/37-2020-00040580-CU-OE-CTL_ROA-9_01-15-21_First_Amended_Complaint_for_Damages_1611506472816.pdf

This alone is a lot to wade through and includes NSFW content.

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When I left Bell all I had was the money in my retirement account and a rental house I had purchased a few years before. We took everything we had, sold our house, and used the funds to invest in crypto currencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and about a dozen others. Today, I am a multi-millionaire, and my money works for me. I work for our movement full time. They tried to break us, and they only made our movement stronger.

https://americymru.net/tags/tywysog%20llywelyn%20cymru

I'm not able to wade closely through all this. My guess is that he's not truthful about his wealth or much of anything else.

This claim here:

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..traces his Welsh heritage back through his father.

They are the descendants of a John W. Jones who was born in Wales in 1828 and emigrated to Ohio

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/rival-king-wales-claim-throne-12687957

I can identify who he is talking about. Even if this is his Welsh immigrant.....so what? Plenty of people have Welsh ancestry. That ancestry does not make them super special. This doesn't make him a Welsh citizen. Or royalty.

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I work for our movement full time. They tried to break us, and they only made our movement stronger.

This is his rallying cry. This is his grift. His goal is money, attention, and a reason to cry oppression when he doesn't get what he wants.

He says his mother is "Native American", I've not found more specific claims on that. He includes maternal Spanish and Mexican. I've not verified his maternal grandparents yet but we may not need to. We know he is a fraud.




Offline Sandy S

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Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr. / Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru has a glamorized photo of himself wearing a costume and holding a sword on his website.

I assume he uses this to prove his supposed royalty. But that outfit is actually from his membership in the revivalist group Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_the_Temple_of_Jerusalem

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The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (SMOTJ) is a Christian chivalric order inspired by the ideals of the Knights Templar. Serving and Protecting the Faithful at Risk in the Holy Land and throughout the world.

https://smotj.org/

In the photo he is wearing the white cloak with red Malta cross of this organization.

Other images of members wearing this costume here: https://gpnato.osmth.org/index.php/modern-order/2023-event

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Priory of the Light (Arizona)
Chev. William E. Currie, KCTJ, Prior IV
Sgt Chev. Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr. was pro-
moted to Commandeur (KCTJ).

Here he is in a 2013 newsletter "Journal of the Autonomous Grand Priory of the United States
Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem". https://carpediem.osmth.org/documents/priory_pubs/Spg_2013.pdf

One of the images used in https://britons.international/gallery isn't Welsh, it is actually the Armoiries Bretagne - Arms of Brittany. He also uses the triskelion symbol, I assume to bolster his claim that he is some sort of druid.

So he already has this costuming in his wardrobe. He already has experience in a revivalist organization.


Offline Sandy S

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Recent post on his FB page:

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Britons International

What do you believe about the Cymry being the lost tribes of Israel? Any proof?
Some say Edinburgh is really Jerusalem.

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This is "British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudo-historical belief that the people of Great Britain are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

Don't be fooled by his costuming and legal/historical/religious bafflegab.


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The Lipan Apache Tribe of the State of Texas recognize him as a Warrior of the Tribe, which is the tribal equivalent of nobility.

2017 http://web.archive.org/web/20170311102352/http://www.kingdomofwales.wales/tywysog-llywelyn

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He claims that his movement has maintained "their sovereignty via diplomatic protest (Flying British flags, the British royal standard Y Ddraig Aur, and coat of arms)".

As if.

 https://kingdomofwales.wales/welsh-citizenship/


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Britons International

In the past few years, multiple supporters of mine have died, some of mysterious circumstances.

We are living in a time of national emergency,  usurpation, and genocide. Yet, we are still here after centuries of destruction. We are a nation of heroes and warriors, and we shall remember our fallen.

Conspiracy theories from his Facebook page.

Actual Welsh citizens have told him to leave them alone. His response is that they are engaging in genocide.


Offline Sparks

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Recent post on his FB page … Britons International

Conspiracy theories from his Facebook page.

All from this FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/justicefortheBritons/ [Britons International]

There is also a Facebook profile:

https://www.facebook.com/BreninyPrydain [Llywelyn Brenin Y Brythoniaid (Llywelyn Uthyrpendragon)]

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https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/who-latest-claimant-king-wales-12691188

There is another article on the same site, the same date, but somewhat earlier:

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/another-american-claims-king-wales-12691166

Link there to his site https://kingdomofwales.wales/ — which has been quoted in previous posts here.

The same goes for https://britons.international/  >  https://www.facebook.com/justicefortheBritons/

X (Twitter): https://x.coma/YmeradwrPrydain

YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RestorationofBritain

In another YouTube channel, four minutes of this pretender's ridiculous and hilarious claims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knzK2zGihxE [The True British Sovereign: Llywelyn Uthyrpendragon's Journey]

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Dive into the epic journey of Llywelyn, a figure rooted in history, prophecy, and defiance. Embracing his ancient name and heritage, Llywelyn's lineage spans British, English, German, Irish, Spanish, Hebrew, and Native American roots. Learn about his steadfast commitment to reclaiming the rightful British crown and the title of Uthyrpendragon. Discover how his military background and degree in Organizational Leadership shape his leadership. Witness Llywelyn's resilience against threats, his rallying cries for unity, and his vision for justice and sovereignty for the Britons. Join us in exploring the rightful heir’s mission to restore dignity and truth.

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The Lipan Apache Tribe of the State of Texas recognize him as a Warrior of the Tribe, which is the tribal equivalent of nobility.

2017 http://web.archive.org/web/20170311102352/http://www.kingdomofwales.wales/tywysog-llywelyn


The LAT (It's not called the LAST as he claims) doesn't have federal recognition. They consider themselves Lipan descendants, but AFAIK the only recognized Lipan are on the Mescalero rez and don't recognize the ones in LAT. I didn't find any mention of Jones on the LAT sites.

That archived site is worth quoting from.

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He is formally recognized as;

Ei Uchelder Brenhinol Tywysog Llywelyn Jones, Brenin Cymru

“His Royal Highness Prince Llywelyn, King of Wales”

and the Kingdoms of Brycheiniog, Ceredigion, Deheubarth, Dogfeiling, Dunoding, Dyfed, Ergyng, Glywysing, Gwent, Gwynedd, Gwynllwg, Meirionnydd, Morgannwg, Powys Wenwynwyn, Powys Fadog, Rhos, Rhufoniog, Seisyllwg "dejure"

He is also honored with the titles: Rex Britannorum (King of the Britons), Great King of Britons, King of Wales, King of all the Welsh, Prince of the Welsh, Supporter of the Whole Kingdom of Britons, Chiefest of the Britons “dejure”

Tywysog Llywelyn has been officially recognized as having fons honorum rights for Cymru, and the aforementioned Kingdoms. Which means he is the "fount of honor". He has an internationally recognized and protected legal right to work towards an independent Wales, he also has rights under international law granting him the powers of: 
"Ius Imperii" – the right to command a territory.
"Ius Gladii" – the right to control armies.
"Ius Majestatis" – the right to be honoured and respected according with one's regal title.
"Ius Honorum" – the legal right to award titles, merits and virtues.
"Ius Collationis" – the right to confer honours.
"Ius Nobilitandi" – the right to ennoble other persons.

Tywysog Llywelyn is Welsh on his Father's side and Spanish and Native American on his Mother's side. The Lipan Apache Tribe of the State of Texas recognize him as a Warrior of the Tribe, which is the tribal equivalent of nobility. He has attended University for Leadership in San Diego, California where he used his study time and research papers as an opportunity to prepare a case for Welsh independence. He previously served in the United States Marine Corps as an experimental test and evaluation flight engineer before being honorably discharged.

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A USMC flight engineer usually is ranked from sgt to master sgt. It's kind of strange he doesn't mention his rank or how long he served.

Nowhere does he mention who supposedly honored him with these titles and rights. Or why they are in Latin instead of Welsh.

The "University for Leadership" is a degree mill. Its name is deliberately designed to be confused with the USD's School of Leadership and Education Sciences. Why he went there is unclear when he could have gotten a degree with the GI Bill and gotten university credit for his training in the service.

But the most delusional thing he's written is that crypto made him a millionaire.

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I scrolled through several years of his https://www.facebook.com/justicefortheBritons page.

He regularly makes claims of genocide:
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The falsification of British (i.e., Welsh) history is a genocide.

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the natives still live in the dark areas seen from space today. There is a genocide currently on-going. It started long ago, and it has never stopped.

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England is slowing killing off the native Britons so that they can be the only 'British' left.

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Genocide of the native Britons
Deliberately forcing people to live in poverty and creating conditions to prevent them from buying homes and raising families is a part of genocide. No roads, no trains, no affordable housing, and no opportunity to thrive, is all INTENTIONALLY inflicted socioeconomic conditions created by London to kill off the remaining proto-Britons so that England may claim debellatio and terra nullis in Britain.
Greetings,
We represent a non-member UN state and would like to submit documents to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, accepting the terms of the UN Charter, and several other treaties; as well as a formal complaint regarding genocide for review.
Our people can prove that we are the direct continuation of international personality from the ancient Britons (jus sanguinis), according to the de jure British laws (ipso jure). All other parties claiming to be British, and claiming to have a legal right to contract as British are usurpers and have engaged in fraud.
Please let us know what is required to schedule an appointment to deliver the documents in person.
Yours sincerely,
Llywelyn, Brenin y Brythoniaid

We are supposed to honor him as our leader:

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I'm fighting for the people that have registered for citizenship with my nation. We use the de jure laws and customs, and don't recognise English appropriation of British identity.


Offline Sandy S

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Lawrence Jones Jr's b.s. reminds me of the sovereign citizen movement in USA, along with white nationalism.

He's a pseudo historican conspiracy monger.

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Cantiaci (sounds like, Kentucky). In America, the state of Kentucky is named for the Kentucky River...
Yet, no one knows why or bothers to question why the river was called Kentucky. Some people suppose native American origin, but provide no evidence. The Coelbren Alphabet is said to been found in this area. Which turns Native American history on its head.

(discussion of source of word Kentucky https://www.bia.gov/as-ia/opa/online-press-release/origin-names-us-states )

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Olympics, are they Greek? Or were they invented by the ancestors of the Celts, the Titans?

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Is Madoc son of Uthyr the Quetzalcoatl of the Aztecs?

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British/Welsh antiquity is true. The world you live in is a lie.

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Of all the indigenous groups recognised by the United Nations, Celtic is not one.
Do you know why?

Offline Sandy S

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Here is one of his phiosophical mentors:

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Remembering the life and work of Alan Wilson today. The man stood against the establishment to speak the truth and defend the history of the Brits, which the world now calls the Welsh.

Some of the criticism of Alan Wilson:

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I don't claim that the British don't know their own history - I claim that a
mentally-challenged, slightly psychotic, practitioner of forgery named Alan
Wilson doesn't know British history - therefore he makes up his own fantasy
version of it.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.legend.king-arthur/c/ZzLfE6ovOqM?pli=1

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Quite frankly Wilson and Blackett, like Adrian Gilbert, are seekers after what they call suppressed knowledge, investigating “ancient Esoteric knowledge and religious Mysteries”: in other words, they are conspiracy theorists.

https://calmgrove.wordpress.com/2020/07/02/unreadable/

I can't really tell how much money he is making off this or how large his following is. He is productive online, active. He spreads misinformation. And surely is annoying to the government agencies he files claims of genocide etc. with. Welsh citizens aren't thrilled with him either.

The "Tywysog" he uses in his many names = "Prince". "Cymru" = "Wales".