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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2007, 04:43:19 pm »
Maybe just put it in archives, Al. If he's gone, there really isa no point discussing him. But just in case someone claims teachings from him, it will be around.

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2007, 06:01:00 pm »
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:slhHc4nY2a0J:www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2006/sep/
m10-001.shtml+Kootenay+wilderness+tours+Sequoyah+trueblood&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ca


Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 03:57:54 -0400
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According to the Ponca City News, Oklahoma, Sequoyah
>>E. Trueblood died this past week, on Sept. 3.

>>Here is the obit and URL:

>>Sequoyah E. Trueblood, Marland resident, died Sunday, Sept. 3,
>>2006, at the Claremore Veterans Center. He was 83. Arrangements
>>are pending with Trout Funeral Home and Crematory.


>I'll check on this; the middle initial is correct, but Sequoyah
>was born in 1940 according to his military service record, so
>I'll hold out hope that this is another man by that name.

>I'll need to let his literary agent know too... He had an entire
>manuscript done about his life as a half-white, half-Choctaw man
>who turned to his Native American side after Vietnam. It was
>titled The One I Walk Beside.

>This is unpleasantly familiar...

What is unpleasantly familiar?

>I telephoned Robert Patenaude of Kootenay Wilderness Tours, who
>Seqoyah has been working with. Robert says that Sequoyah is
>alive, that he is in frequent communication with him, and he's
>going to talk to him today to be sure.


If he was born in 1940 then he would only be 66, not 83. Maybe
the Sequoyah E. Trueblood who passed on Sept. 3 was his father?
A bit young for a father, but not unheard of. Please let us know
what you find out, okay? Thanks.

But then there is no more said ?

Kootenay Wilderness Tours webpage looks like they are still advertising him as the resident Elder , so if Sequoya Trueblood has passed on , who is it , they are claiming is him ?

And I also just found this , which is dated March 2007 .

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:3XSBmHA-yiwJ:ionsnw.org/communitynews/JamesO%27Dea.htm
+%22Sequoyah+trueblood%22+2007&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca

March 2007
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James O’Dea, IONS President has just returned from a two week personal trek to Columbia,
South America.  He traveled with longtime friends including, Canadian Shaman, Sequoyah Trueblood

Sounds like whoever passed on , wasn't the same Sequoya Trueblood ? ( Maybe ? )
« Last Edit: May 31, 2007, 06:16:52 pm by Moma_porcupine »

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2007, 07:12:31 pm »
Found this Obit on Sequoya Trueblood from Ponca City, OK.


Sequoyah Euvaughn Trueblood

 

Sequoyah "John" Euvaughn Trueblood, longtime Ponca City resident, died Sunday, Sept. 3, 2006, at the Claremore Veterans Center. He was 84 years of age.

A graveside service will be held at 10:30 a.m. on Friday, Sept. 8, 2006, at Resthaven Memorial Park with the Rev. Don Stanton, Pastor, Faith Tabernacle officiating. Arrangements are under the direction of Trout Funeral Home.

Sequoyah was born on Nov. 16, 1922, in Choctaw to Roy and Glessie Clifton Trueblood. He received his formal education in Stroud where he enjoyed playing football. He enlisted in the U.S. Army from 1942 to 1945. He was a proud World War II veteran, and a very outspoken veterans advocate. He served as commander of the DAV for five years, chapter 47 in Ponca City. He was also an active member of the Choctaw Tribe.

He was a construction engineer for 45 years and a member and teacher for the Carpenter's Union in Ponca City. He was General Superintendent for Sterns and Rogers and supervised the construction of the Conoco Office Towers as well as for Brown and Root on the construction of the OG&E Power Plant. He also supervised the building of the White Eagle Health Clinic and Cultural Center, Marland Mansion remodel, and several banks, department stores, schools, homes and the Fine Arts Building and Fieldhouse at Ponca City High School.

After retiring from construction, he worked for the Ponca City News for 12 years as a motor route carrier.

He enjoyed fishing, hunting, cooking and working outside.

He is survived by his wife, Lavonda Trueblood of Marland; five sons, S.E. Trueblood of Quebec, Canada, Chris Trueblood of Lone Grove, Okla., Charles Trueblood of Oklahoma City, Tom Trueblood of Kaw City, and A.E. Trueblood of Marland; one sister, Hope Groomer of Oklahoma City; step-children, Deborah Hooper of Ponca City, Ron Poulter of Ponca City, Sharon Lieb of Ponca City and Bobby Poulter of Shidler; 21 grandchildren, 15 great- grandchildren, and several nieces, nephews, and cousins.

He was preceded in death by his parents, one daughter, one step-son, one granddaughter, one grandson, and one sister, Evelyn Rogers.

Memorial contributions may be made to the Claremore Veterans Center, 3001 W. Blue Starr Dr., Claremore, OK 74017

paid obituary



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 Looks like he did have a son in Canada S.E. Trueblood.
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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2007, 11:45:55 am »
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I KNEW SEQYOYAH TRUEBLOOD AND HE WAS NO CHEROKEE MEDICINE MAN

Why are all you white people getting so uptight about an Indian
calling a fraud a fraud?

I wish someone could explain to me the need to believe these frauds
are spiritual elders?

What's the point of analyzing each other and threatening to sue each
other. The frauds always get found out in the end.

Let's take a look in a dictionary, like so many have suggested:

"Fraud is defined to be "an intentional perversion of truth" or
a "false misrepresentation of a matter of fact" which induces another
person to "part with some valuable thing belonging to him or to
surrender a legal right".

Well if you go by this definition, this Trueblood was a super-fraud –
I mean old style, original super fraud!. His ideas are way, way out
there and they have nothing to do with Cherokee spiritual beliefs. I
mean, hell, you've got a good chance of being right if you call any
fool claiming to be Cherokee a fraud. There are over 300 "Lets
Pretend that we are Cherokee" groups, some actually calling
themselves Tribes that we know of and probably twice that many that
we don't know about yet. I knew this guy and I can say he's a fraud
anywhere, anytime and there's not a court in the land that would
convict me. This guy had no sense of decency. He would gladly accept
money for any line of bull he could pull from all the new age books
he read.

All the Cherokees and all the anti-fraud groups have known about this
twinkie for a long time. Back in Oklahoma we used to get people
asking about him all the time. He was a colorful character, I'll give
him that, but he was no medicin man!

Let's see if I can remember all the complaints against him ...

In the late 80s he started off by claiming to be a Cherokee shaman.
Then when the Cherokee got on him for lying, he claimed to be
Cherokee/Chocktaw. In 1999,he was interviewed by Whitley Strieber on
Dreamland and called himself a Native American medicine man. When a
bunch of Cherokee called in to correct him, they weren't allowed to
go on the air. He tried to shut down several websites run by
Cherokees exposing him as a fraud. All the attention on him was bad
for business so he quit calling himself a medicine man. He displayed
all the typical patterns of behavior that frauds display. He ranted
and raved about how negative the Cherokee were and how selfish and
greedy the real spiritual elders were because they didn't want to
share with the whites and how racist that was ….
You know – all the 80s wannabe rhetoric.

In the 90s, the Cherokee didn't want anything to do with him, but
Sequoyah got his hands on something called the Urantia Book. He
concocted some pretty far fetched "teachings" out of his headings and
started teaching shapeshiftnig classes and conducting pipe ceremonies
as an "adopted Lakota." The Lakota got on him for that and you didn't
hear about him for a while. Then he re-emerged with a UFO bent on his
scam.

He was an opportunistic dirty old man too. I remember he used to do
this exercise he called the "circle of remembering" where he'd have
some nubile young white girls do the "Breath of Life".breathing
exercises that turned in to heavy duty make out sessions with him in
what he called the teaching position. They were supposed to take you
on a journey to another dimension. I think it would have been better
to go on a journey to the free clinic after one of his "ceremonies."

But let's not forget, he was a crazy as he was perverted. He was
heavy into the UFOlogy movement. He thought he saw a UFO and it
hypnotized him into taking a trip to another city (that's what he
told his wife anyway). He said the aliens made his physical body
physical body pack a bag and leave home, but it's not important
because we're really all spirit. Old Sequoyah would get a group of
young girls in a circle and he'd tell the most outrageous stories. He
used to brag about his ability to contact ancient ancestral guides
and about how you have to watch out for imposters in the dimensional
planes – there are inter-dimensional spys everywhere. He wasn't
paranoid, the interdimensional spys were really out to get him. He
used to accuse people who criticized him of being an inter-
dimensional spy too. This guy didn't have the first ideas what being
Cherokee was about. Everything he peddled came right out of new age
books. If anyone asked him to prove he was enrolled, he'd change the
subject really fast and start telling stories about how aliens want
us to download our intentions to transform mother earth and clean up
all the pollution and make everyone love each other.

In the late 90s, Sequoyah was going around with Nancy Red Star (an
Art Bell regular) and was making lots of dough at the star people
conventions. He led the opening ceremonies. When he was on the Star
People circuit he was claiming to be a Choctaw medicine man/wisdom
keeper. He went around charging to give these so-called oral
histories that all Indianswere supposed to share combined with his
own own experiences with the "star people" who he called his cosmic
brothers and sisters. He'd conduct pricey workshops with white people
who wanted to believe a real hot shot Indian wanted to put them in a
sacred ceremony where they could chat with these star elders and ask
them to heal the planet. He also claimed they could do racial healing
and help them master psychic abilities.

I thought got teachings that Indianss were "seeded" by extra
terrestrials from the Pleiades was just copying the Martian
Chronicles, but later I learned that the idea that ancient indigenous
people are hybrids with aliens really comes from the Thule and the
Vril societies which were the groups that formed the Nazi Occult!
That old fool could sell ice to an Inuit and he really knew how to
sell to the UFO crowd.He used to go around the Star Widsom
conferences selling these personally blessed eagle feathers (dyed
chicken feathers) for $50.00 and asking young women is they need any
of his "Ecotherapy" -- where he rambled on and on about ecology while
he felt them up. Then he got involved with some really weird people –
the Program for Extraordinary Experience Research (PEER). They liked
him because he used to tell about his abduction experiences and how
native people have always been abducted and experimented on by aliens
and how all natives are really half-alien hybrids. This comes
straight from the Nazi occult, but boy those nuagers sure eat that
stuff up with a spoon!

Some of his followers were so spacey they thought they could
transform the human race with the power of their mind. They were all
into this belief that the human race was about to evolve spiritually
and that they were the chosen few who would be saved by the space
aliens because they were so pure and enlightened. There's really very
little difference between what Sequoyah was selling and what the
Nazis believed. He knew white people wanted to believe that they were
destined to be some cosmic enlightened master race and they would pay
top dollar to have him play shaman and tell them the space aliens
would really like them best out of all the other races. He used to
tell white people that they were more spiritual than real NDNs and
that when the great environmental armagedon came, they would be saved
by E.T. because he had passed onto them all this sacred knowledge. If
you do a little research you can see where he got this cock and bull
story, the Nazis believed the Aryan race was part space alien too and
destined to evolve and carry on as the rightful inheritors of the
earth. Sequoya described these cosmic brothers and sisters as being
tall and having pale, pale skin. Sounds a lot like a description of
the Aryan race to me.

The other thing that really ticked off the Cherokees is that Sequoya
used to tell his white followers that they didn't need to actually
work for any kind of social change, they could just use the power of
their mind to download their "intentions" into the space alien's
minds and they would get rid of all the earth's problems. Old
Sequoyah used to say he was sharing the instructions the star people
were channeling to him that would restore the balance of nature and
help white folks take their our rightful place among the peoples of
the universe when the earth changes came. People would pay $600 to
$800 dollars each to go to his ceremonies so they'd be saved from the
coming environmental disasters. He used to scare the shit out of some
of them.

While he was rakin in the dough with this scam, he was also working
with James O'dea and the IONS institute (That's really the Institute
of Noetic Sciences that even debunked on Native America Calling by
Russell Means)
Russell Means got really mad at him for the space alien stuff. It
used to be on the web but its prolly gone now.

He got himself in a whole lot of environmentalist books representing
the Native American perspective on ecology and he was even asked to
meet with people in the White House. When he was interviewed in 2005
in that video, he came off too crazy and most of his statements got
edited out. LeKay put his video on the Heyoka site. In the middle of
the interview, Sequoyah goes into his mystical act and he
says, "Thunderbird, that's why I had to just stop and be with for a
minute here" Like Red Elk, he got onto some nuage belief about
invisible giant Thunder Beings that visit you in a dream and make you
a heyoka/contraya. Maybe that's why he's included in the magazine. So
he's supposed to be a Choctaw or a Cherokee but he's talking about
being made some kind of Lakota spiritual expert now?. It was clearly
just a plane passing overhead but this old faker liked to hang out
with new age hippies that wanted to believe any piece of crap he
pulled out of his butt. Later on, he's talking White Buffalo Calf
Pipe Woman and he's supposed to be Choctaw or Cherokee. I don't think
the nuagers ever catch all these contradictions. They just swallow
whatever's shoveled into their empty skulls.

Recently, I heard he was calling himself the "Resident elder" at the
Kootenay
Wilderness Tours in Calgary Canada.
He kinda got around selling ceremonies by calling them "Wilderness
tours"
His ceremonies were just silly and ridiculous. He used to charge a
couple thousand dollars for sweat lodges and other ceremonies he made
up and he'd claim that his sweat lodge ceremonies will help you make
contact with beings from other realms.
He ran what he called "traditional purification/healing lodge" and
presided over "thanksgiving and rising sun ceremonies" and a "peace
pipe ceremony". He was an adopted Lakota and a pipe carrier for a
while. (Aren't they all?) He loved to get young girls in his sweat
lodges half dressed and really work on them. He had a charismatic
personality and he used it to try to control anybody without a strong
mind.

Now, I know that when you first look at his teachings you might think
he's just a harmless crackpot, but you shoudn't be foolish enough to
dismiss Seqyoyah's teachings as the mindless rantings of a harmless
kook. The catcaclysmic teachings are rooted in some very ugly
ideology.

Rick Ross has dozens of pages on the web that explain the nuage
tendency to embrace the Armageddon Paradigm.

THE PROPHETS OF APOCOLYPSE – White Supremacists and the Theology of
Christian Identity by Dennis Tourish and Tim Wohlforth
http://www.rickross.com/reference/christian_identity/christianidentity
19.html

A lot of you white folks acting crazy on this message board should
read about how cults work because the way you defend these frauds, it
looks to me like you're all in a cult.
I've never seen people act like this LeKay bunch before that weren't
in a cult.

"The Armageddon Paradigm
"We pay particular attention in this study to what we call "The
Armageddon Paradigm." Originating in the Judeo-Christian tradition,
this view has spawned religious cults like the People's Temple
(Layton, 1998) the Branch Davidians (Breault and King, 1993), and,
most recently, Aum Shinrikyo (Lifton, 1999). Scores of groups have
been identified, who adopt what can be defined as a millennial
perspective of imminent doom (see Landes, 2000). All of them proclaim
that The End Time is upon us. This means that most of the world's
population will be annihilated, with the exception of the chosen few.
On the far left, also, capitalism is claimed to be in crisis,
revolution is imminent, and the elite presently organized into a
vanguard party will soon triumph (see Lalich, 1992; Wohlforth, 1994;
and Tourish, 1998, for fuller accounts of this approach). The far
right has now adopted its own version of the Armageddon Paradigm. As
Cox (1998) has noted, its cataclysmic reading of the problems thrown
up by modern capitalism can be read as almost Marxist like in their
implications. However, whereas leftists anticipate Armageddon in
terms of class insurrection and warfare, rightists see the End Time
in terms of race war, and depict whites (or Aryans) as the chosen
survivors of a racial conflagration."
This is exactly what the crystal skull fanatics, the Pleidian star
people cult and other neopagan groups who become obsessed with the
Armageddon Paradigm are really saying. They know that their ideology
wouldn't be accepted in its naked form, so they need to dress it up
in pseudo-respect for native people, especially those long dead, and
pretty ideas about global harmony."
These people aren't harmless. They are trying to erase true
indigenous belief systems and replace them with a new ideology that
is as oppressive as Christian capitalism and that is based in ideas
of white superiority.
So if you connect the dots, there's a very good reason why Martin and
Yeagly and other white supremacists held such a place of honor in
Heyoka magazine. The other thing I've noticed is that all the frauds
LeKay's upset about NAFPS outing have ties back to Ol Grampa Wallace
Black Elk. He started all this space alien nonsense back in
Washington state in the 1980s. Now he's got more followers than you
can count and white people only want to believe his lies. LeKay knew
exactly what he was doing when he included all those Wally Black Elk
clones in little jihad against common sense It reveals a deep white
supremacist tendency in gullible white folks like LeKay that needs
really needs to be exposed.
It's just like the white people to go out and search for a crackpot
like this to represent all of us and not contact NDNs who are doing
real work to save the environment.

This guy Trueblood really knew how to sell a new age yarn. He used to
study what fads were possible and make up stuff he knew whites wanted
to hear.

I don't know why all these supposedly educated people can't see how
stupid and racist it is to believe that American Indian people are
descended from space men and have magical powers and exist to SERVE
as spiritual guides for whites. This garbage has go to go!

This man Truebood was not an Indian at all. He's not enrolled with
the Cherokee, the Choctaw, the Chickasaw or the Lakota. He is a fraud
and anyone who can't see that is as crazy as he was. He sold new age
bunk andUFO fantasies to gullible white people with more money than
sense. He did more to erase real Cherokee spirituality and replace it
with nazi garbage than most do and he made a lot of money doing it.
You get a bunch of white folks together every weekend with each one
of them paying two grand for a sweat lodge … Well, you do the math.

It says that "Heyoka says "Sequoyah Trueblood was an internationally
respected Cherokee/Choctaw Elder, healer, ceremonialist and teacher."

That's a load of crap. Like they say on the Gieko commercials - Do a
little research! the Cherokee don't want to be associated with this
nut!

I know we never got a call from LeKay trying to check this fool out!

Any person in their right mind should be able to see that these Wally
Black Elk clomes that LeKay thinks are "respected elders" are Frauds.
Respected by who? Certainly not the Cherokee, I can tell you that for
sure.
I never could understand all this fanatical devotion to Wally Black
Elks disciples. If I live to be 100 I'll never understand it.

Now I don't care how naïve or uninformed you are, common sense should
tell you that all the space alien nazi crap has nothing to do with
the Indianpeople. Has everyone lost their minds? If you want to
believe in space aliens and act like a crazy fool, I say fine - knock
yourself out. I don't even mind if the UFO nuts get rich off their
little green men fantasies, but when you start calling yourself a
medicine man and start saying that Indians believe this nazi crap,
well then you've got a fight on your hands.
Eveybody has the right to believe any weird-ass thing he want, but he
doesn't have the right to say that I BELIEVE IT or go around saying
the this Nazi stuff really came from the Indians.
We're not extint. Some of us are still around to complain.
DO A LITTLE RESEARCH!

It's so easy, even a white man could understand it ay?

If you don't believe me,
Call the Cherokee and call the Choctaw

You'dd see they don't claim him

Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma
16th & Locust
P.O. Drawer 1210
Durant, Oklahoma 74702-1210
(580) 924-8280
(800)522-6170

Cherokee Nation
Attn: enrollment
P. O. Box 948
Tahlequah, OK 74465
918-453-5000

Jerry

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2010, 12:37:06 am »
Thanks Jerry, for the info in the previous post. He's not dead, and this link is only 10 (!) days old: http://merliannews.com/People_36/Sequoyah_Trueblood_Teacher_of_Global_Unity_and_Compassion_printer.shtml
     My husband & I have met this idiot on several occasions. We have had people in the (native) community here in Alberta approach us privately, to voice concerns they have had about possible sexual improprieties with young women. He had at one time made some effort to become involved with a youth program here, but that (thankfully) did not come to pass.
     A white lady we knew spoke quite highly of him & we were not expecting to dislike him. When she introduced us to him, we became concerned for her spiritual welfare. Then people started coming to us to speak of their concerns. After a couple of years, we decided to approach her & warn her in a respectful manner to exercise caution in her dealings with him. She shared with us that he had left an eagle wing fan (she showed it to us) IN HER BEDROOM. She claimed that there was nothing sexual going on, but conceded that it was, perhaps, at least a tiny bit "inappropriate" for him to have left this above her bed!
     She then went to him & told him everything we had discussed with her!
     When she broached the subject of sexual  improprieties with young girls, his response to her was that he didn't deny it, he appears to have been defending it! (I say "appears", as I didn't hear him say this, merely listened to what she was saying in his defense over a period of several months in which I asked her questions about what he was telling her.)
 
He started to refer to it (his impropriety) by giving it a label which I find alarming. He appears to have tried to give it a veneer of something "traditional"  by calling it "Crazy Horse Medicine"..... many times over those months she told me stuff he was saying, using that terminology. It is sickening to me that he would use that term in ANY context, much less this one. I no longer have any contact with her.
     It makes me want to puke.

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2010, 10:25:20 pm »

I am a 26 year old Piikuni (blackfoot) and dene. I am not a medicine man or a shaman, just a man finding his way.

[Long, dull predictable, and ignorant personal attacks and attacks upon all Natives deleted.]

Sequoyah is respected in a neighbouring blackfoot community, I have been to a sundance in southern ab with him and was overwhelmed with the positive response he recieved and was amazed at how many people knew him.
I have traveled around with him, sat in ceremony and he never once charged me a dime for anything.
but he gets flown out to different area around turtle island to help out with things.
He doesn't and has never asked for money.
The money he recieves he passes on to others just as quickly.
We have talked about the kootney wilderness area and he has problems with the posting info about him "wisdom keeper". He laughed and said what is that
he doesn't agree with it, but he's not the moderator for the website.
I have known Sequoyah for a little over 6 years.
He has an amazing sense of awareness but is very much a man.
I think the sweat lodge controvesry is interestng and can see how stories grow out of nothing.
If you know our country and our people, you know about gossip and ho it spreads.
He doesn't dictate what a woman should and shouldn't wear around a lodge.
others would say women has to drive likcompletely covered up, and some places and people wouldn't let women into lodges.
I think all this crazy talk about women and breathing energy ceremonies stems from this.

He probably wouldn't want me  to defend him he would just say thank you.

p.s. even though i am blackfoot, i can talk a little bit about the white buffalo calf woman as well as the pipe.
I can also talk a bit about mohawk ceremonies and lakota/dakota ceremonies.
Because i can, doesn't mean I'm full of shit.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2010, 12:32:59 am by educatedindian »

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2010, 10:29:21 pm »
He's also not dead, certainly not since you guys stated.
if he dead when you all stated that would be kinda cool.
Cause he'd be a spector I and a other people would have been talking to for a few years.
Which would probably add more street cred.

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2010, 12:42:39 am »

I am a 26 year old Piikuni (blackfoot) and dene. I am not a medicine man or a shaman, just a man finding his way.

[Long, dull predictable, and ignorant personal attacks and attacks upon all Natives deleted.]

1. Sequoyah is respected in a neighbouring blackfoot community, I have been to a sundance in southern ab with him and was overwhelmed with the positive response he recieved and was amazed at how many people knew him.

2. I have traveled around with him, sat in ceremony and he never once charged me a dime for anything.
but he gets flown out to different area around turtle island to help out with things.
3. He doesn't and has never asked for money.
The money he recieves he passes on to others just as quickly.
4. We have talked about the kootney wilderness area and he has problems with the posting info about him "wisdom keeper". He laughed and said what is that
he doesn't agree with it, but he's not the moderator for the website....

5. p.s. even though i am blackfoot, i can talk a little bit about the white buffalo calf woman as well as the pipe.
I can also talk a bit about mohawk ceremonies and lakota/dakota ceremonies.
Because i can, doesn't mean I'm full of shit.

Hello Gitz Crazyboy.
http://www.facebook.com/gitz.crazyboy
First, you really need to knock off the childish insults and personal attacks. They're an unwelcome distraction. They were deleted and so will any others you try.
I put numbers to make it clearer what I'm answering.

1. Doesn't mean much, since he's claiming to be Cherokee and Choctaw, and they don't care for him.
2. Doesn't mean much, since he does charge all the time elsewhere.
3. Yes he does. You even admit he does because you talk about his pay to pray ceremonies for the wildnerness group.
4. How hard is it for him to ask the website to quit lying about him? How hard would it be "Don't say that, or I won't work with you anymore." The fact that he laughs about is appalling. An actual elder would not act this way.
5. No, it just means that you think those things have something to do with Cherokee and Choctaw ways. And they don't.

If you'd bother to read, we pointed out repeatedly that the man is a mixed picture. Sometimes he does some good, at other times he's a pay to pray exploiter. Perhaps he thinks it's OK to charge for ceremony if he gives some or even most of it to good causes. But in the eyes of most NDNs, that still makes him an exploiter. My guess is that if that Blackfoot community knew the money came from UFO conference loony lies and selling ceremonies to naive whites at the wilderness group, they might not want anything to do with money made from using people by selling them bastardized ceremony.

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2010, 01:32:03 am »
There wasn't anything stated as a personal attack, just an educated response to something that perpetuates a colonized self imposed stereo type.
one can make the argument that
"Why are all you 'white' people getting so uptight about an Indian calling a fraud a fraud?" - Is an unfair generalisation against all white people.
[Further personal attack deleted.]

1. I have a female friend who's a beautiful dark skinned Dene woman. However, because her mom is dene and her dad was non-native she lost her status as a Dene. She's a 'white' Just because someone isn't a registered band member, when I know the person sometimes i could care less.  Band membership makes a great debate.
2. Everywhere I have traveled with him he hasn't asked for anything.
3. He doesn't ask for money in those supposed pay to pray ceremonies, sometimes it's offered sometimes it's not.
4. He has asked them about them about it.
5. When he talks about other ceremonies or relics from other nations. He proudly states the nation and where it comes from.

Do you really want to debate UFO's or alien ancestors. Because we can, how many different creation stories are there? we don't all come out of ceremonies with the exact same feelings nor do we all have the same visions. The same can be said about the star brothers.

I was at one time a troubled teen, I went into ceremony with Sequoyah. And came out a much different person, what it cost me? nothing. Just and open mind and time spent on that beautiful day.

I know Sequoyah [Two more personal attacks deleted. This is your last warning to stay on topic.]
in a world where everyone is at fault and flawed and many things are created into murky vision of reality
I will say this, He is just a man.
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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2010, 03:17:26 am »
Hi Jerry -

This guy has Richard Kieninger beat.

His life will make a fantastic comedy, if the writer can jut get over the pain he causes his victims.

I'll bet that he gets his new nonsense to sell by reading World Explorer, NEXUS, Atlantis Rising, Ancient American, etc.


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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2010, 12:20:37 pm »
There wasn't anything stated as a personal attack, just an educated response to something that perpetuates a colonized self imposed stereo type.
one can make the argument that
"Why are all you 'white' people getting so uptight about an Indian calling a fraud a fraud?" - Is an unfair generalisation against all white people.

[Further personal attack deleted.]

1. I have a female friend who's a beautiful dark skinned Dene woman. However, because her mom is dene and her dad was non-native she lost her status as a Dene. She's a 'white' Just because someone isn't a registered band member, when I know the person sometimes i could care less.  Band membership makes a great debate.
2. Everywhere I have traveled with him he hasn't asked for anything.
3. He doesn't ask for money in those supposed pay to pray ceremonies, sometimes it's offered sometimes it's not.
4. He has asked them about them about it.
5. When he talks about other ceremonies or relics from other nations. He proudly states the nation and where it comes from.

6. Do you really want to debate UFO's or alien ancestors. Because we can, how many different creation stories are there? we don't all come out of ceremonies with the exact same feelings nor do we all have the same visions. The same can be said about the star brothers.

I was at one time a troubled teen, I went into ceremony with Sequoyah. And came out a much different person, what it cost me? nothing. Just and open mind and time spent on that beautiful day.

I know Sequoyah [Two more personal attacks deleted. This is your last warning to stay on topic.]
in a world where everyone is at fault and flawed and many things are created into murky vision of reality
I will say this, He is just a man.

It's really bizarre you claiming that if you call yourself "Indian" it's a stereotype and a sign of a colonized mind. It must be wonderful to feel oh-so-superior to the great majority of NDNs worldwide, the US, Latin America, and even in Canada where you are.
And among those NDNs are your own friends in that comedy troup.

And again, try to read first. The comments you claim are mine...they aren't. They were my reposting what's at the link.

1. No one said a thing about band membership.
Again, if you'd bothered to read you'd see we have plenty of unenrolled in here, including me.
2. Then you haven't traveled to any of his pay to pray ceremonies which are advertised online.
3. Bull. That's an outright lie. It's right there in black and white that you must pay for ceremony.
If you want to tell a weasely lie, then tenchnically he gets others to demand pay to pray for him.
4. Apparently he hasn't said to stop it forcefully enough.
5. You miss the point. He is claiming to do ceremony from other nations he has no right to do, esp not as pay to pray since they find it offensive.

I agree with you that's he's a man, but that's no excuse for him doing wrong, esp since he kn ws he's doing wrong. And you know the same about him. Because he helped you doesn't excuse the wrong he's done to others.

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 02:52:57 am »
it's not a feeling of superiority or being superior.
had you not deleted my post it explains.
A simple geography lesson stats... India is not our country. we do not come from india, therefore we are not Indians, NDNs, etc;
that's a term colonizers used.
it cuts you off from your roots
You shouldn't think indian, you should think Apache.
would you call yourself african? Chinese? Navi? you could claim any of these if you wanted to.
Empowerment comes from reclaiming your nation...
myself, Dene and Piikuni. not "indian" never was and never will be. not to take anything away from their great, amazing and beautiful nation. I'm just an indian.
Calling yourself an educated indian is an oxymoron at best.
When you're educated, you understand what has been taken from you, what has been implated in you, truth and all the hurt that comes with it.
That you are lost.

As for saying sequoyah isn't a cherokee because he's not enrolled into a band and you yourself claim Apache heritage without being enrolled into a band...
http://en.gli.sh/oldBlog/content/binary/mfln130l.jpeg
http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/pot-calling-the-kettle-black-734818.jpg

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2010, 01:36:02 pm »
it's not a feeling of superiority or being superior.
had you not deleted my post it explains.
1. A simple geography lesson stats... India is not our country. we do not come from india, therefore we are not Indians, NDNs, etc;
that's a term colonizers used.
it cuts you off from your roots
2. You shouldn't think indian, you should think Apache.
would you call yourself african? Chinese? Navi? you could claim any of these if you wanted to.
Empowerment comes from reclaiming your nation...
myself, Dene and Piikuni. not "indian" never was and never will be. not to take anything away from their great, amazing and beautiful nation. I'm just an indian.
3. Calling yourself an educated indian is an oxymoron at best.
When you're educated, you understand what has been taken from you, what has been implated in you, truth and all the hurt that comes with it.
That you are lost.

4. As for saying sequoyah isn't a cherokee because he's not enrolled into a band [Yet another personal attack and falsehood deleted.]

1. You can keep arguing this side issue if you want to. This is the last post I'll waste time on this. Obviously you can't even convince the self described Indians you work with in your comedy group.
2. You can do both, and almost all NDNs do.
3. For a comedian, you sure seem clueless about the name being a joke, one done at the expense of non-NDNs who think of all NDNs as ignorant.
4. Never said that. I said the Cherokee communities don't care for him.

None of these continued sidetracks of yours change the facts: He's doing pay to pray ceremonies of traditions he has no right to teach anyway since the ceremonies he claims to do aren't Cherokee or Choctaw.

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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2010, 07:17:25 am »
Just a quick note about the Kogi tribe.

I saw the programme, it was broadcast on the BBC a long time ago to great acclaim.  I cannot remember any critics claiming that the documentary was fake or quackery, although that may be a failing of my memory.

Just for the record the Kogi tribe would appear to exist in reality as they are mentioned in this link to the website the charity Survival International. 
http://www.survivalinternational.org/tribes/arhuaco

Just found the entire documentary in 8 parts on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/user/TGautier421#g/c/0C4E9D212ED19CB4

I wonder how they would feel about Trueblood's claims to be in telepathic communication with them? 
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Re: Sequoyah Trueblood??
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 04:57:31 pm »
As far as what's appropriate for Lakota ways...you'd have to ask a Lakota.  I can't answer for them.  If he's not charging then that would indicate that they were taught right and if they teach where these ways come from and don't "initiate" others or teaching seminars etc. to do the same then I personally would not have a problem with it.  It's a way of life and if you live that way, then all the better for you...if you're just learning to impress someone or achieve some sort of "degree" status for the sole purpose of opening up a business in any form and use these ways to market yourself...then I would have a problem.  But that's only one opinion.  It seems like you're searching for someone speak for everyone here and I'm not that person and if you're specifically talking about Lakota people and Mohegan people then I suggest you talk to individuals in their communities and let them tell you what's appropriate or not.

The third question is answered on the first two pages of the thread with accounts from people who have come across Trueblood as well as advertisements for seminars with his name on them and videos from youtube, but since you haven't cleared that up for yourself yet, it's clear from posts here that vision quests and pipe ceremonies are not Cherokee/Choctaw ways and the interpretations of aliens and the "spirit canoe" are not from any tribes traditions, yet he says they are.

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