General > Frauds
Walter Renz
Niiki:
Keely wrote:
"Was playing around with the stereotype... wrote that dumb dumb who has that real Cherokee headress..."
The e-mail reply I got from these people reads that they bought their headresses from the Cherokees in Oklahoma, at their outlet there... I been in Tahlequah many times, and never seen no Cherokee outlet store... been to the CNO store... but no headresses were sold there... Of course the letter that was sent to me says I "can contact the outlet" but they never send me the name of this supposed store.
Since I am a Indian artist and beader, I asked directly for enrollment numbers of the artists they claim they buy from... which is required under the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990, they refused to give me any information other than their artists are Navajo, Cherokee, Zunis and Hopi... I then informed them of the federal law of which clearly states they must give this information to anyone who asks for proof, but they still refuse.
They said that the war bonnet was "is manufactured by the Cherokees" Manufactured?? Yep, that is what they wrote... I can picture all the Indians sitting in a plant now, creating war bonnet after war bonnet LOL So I would guess it is safe to assume they are saying it was made by the Cherokees and sold by the Cherokees since they told me I should contact the Cherokee tribal council if I wanted to complain.
Here is what they wrote about the made in America remark:
"The items we sell are authenticated and most of the jewelry is signed by the artist that made it as well as the headdresses being tagged NATIVE AMERICAN MADE IN USA."
I think this person is defrauding people... I got that gut feeling from their mail to me... specially with the end stating since she was raised in New Mexico she has the most respect for Indian peoples, and tried to leave the impression that without her no Indian made items there would ever get sold...
Keely Squirrel Denning
Loyal Shawnee
Stereotype of the Month Entry
(8/18/00)
of http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stype087.htm
Keely Denning, NY volunteer for nativeweb.org/
NativeWeb founding board member www.nativeweb.org/info/paper.php
In February of 1999, NativeWeb formally incorporated itself as a non-profit corporation
in the State of New York under the name NativeWeb, Inc. It established a formal board of
directors with 10 board members (Marc Becker, Shane Caraveo, David Cole,
Keely Squirrel Denning,
Peter d'Errico, Alan Mandell, Pat Paul, Tara Prindle, Karen Strom, and Carmel Vivier).
The group now included a software programmer; a computer network specialist who was a
member of a Native American tribal council; a lawyer who was a tribal judge; an
independent legislative analyst focusing on native-related issues; a law office
manager and freelance writer who works with native communities in Canada;
a novelist writing stories on native issues; and two university professors:
one a lawyer involved with Indigenous peoples' legal issues and the other a
historian focusing on Indigenous issues in Latin America. NativeWeb has always been a
labor of love, rooted in a volunteer workforce.
Posted at 8:36pm on Wed, Sep 10 2008
http://www.nativeweb.org/info/paper.php
(Was in NY in 1999; NOT in Oklahoma all her life with her "tribe"!)
educatedindian:
--- Quote from: Niiki on July 19, 2009, 12:25:00 pm ---Keely says she is Shawnee all her life but this this is what she says in 2002:
Keely Squirrel-Denning:
Enrolled Cherokee
....And she was looking around for her ancestors in 2004, when she claims she knows who she was all of her life
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This is partly what I feared, possibly degenerating into "You're not NDN enough" accusations based on flimsy pretexts or misunderstanding data.
It's not unusual for people to try to look and see what else they can find out about their ancestors, Nikki. I've known several fairly well known NDN historians, who were also enrolled and extremely well known in their communities, who've done that.
Technically this should be yet another thread on Keely, but I don't see how to disentangle them.
I see your point about fraudulent crafts, Keely.
bls926:
I don't understand Niiki's flip flop on Walter Renz; it's almost like she can't make up her mind about the man.
I think the post made in the Tecumseh Brown thread was used solely to discredit Brown. As someone else told me a few months ago, when trying to explain why he associates with frauds, all support is welcome. Of course, I don't hold with that idea. If someone is not who they claim to be, I really wouldn't want their support. I don't want or need the support of liars and thieves. Guess everyone has their own view on these things.
--- Quote from: Niiki on April 10, 2009, 07:46:13 pm ---Warning to Tecumseh Brown Eagle/Abdul Muhammed/James Oliver Johnson 111
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From: Chief WALTER T. RENZ
To Whom it comes to their Door,
The person below Mr. Johnson /TBE is not Native American. He uses 7 different Names. And is using bad behaviour as well towards the real Native Americans. We searched for any Native blood and could not find any in his decent. Its time for him to stop all contact with any Government or Tribal Nation using Native name of any kind. We have given the notes to the F.B.I. on him as well. His terrorism is to stop today. It bothers the Elder Chiefs in Canada to no end as well.
Thank you for support.
Chief Walter T. Renz/Graycloud Longtail
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Mr. Johnson III,
After looking over all the files and records we have and have gotten from the researchers that work with us. I have to tell you that Watts does not match your Ancestry. Or the Johnson's you were claiming.. No Native Blood what so ever has been determined by the Tribal Nations on your family history.
Your continuous yelling at the Elders and Chiefs , is not one that a real Erie Chief would do. They have said for you to stop calling them and stay away. They have no use for you.
We have spoken to you on the Erie name you are using to benefit your pocket. Close the web page it will not benefit you no more.
The Shawnee name you claim is not given to you in a traditional way. The Shawnee will be getting this note as well. With your copying of the Tecumseh words on the web page you have. This is a slap in the face of the real Tecumseh with your behaviour.
Do not contact us or bother us with your ideas or Casino. We do not want it or need it. Also do not bother the Chiefs in Canada as well. Remove all the contacts you have with the Chiefs and Elders as well. It is so ordered.
This is the last notes that you will receive from us. Any more contact from you will not be looked on as a good thing.
So Ordered this 8th day the of April 2009 of the above.
Chief Walter Renz/Graycloud Longtail
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When Keely pointed out that Renz himself is a fraud, Niiki seemed to agree with this. She said the Six Nations were looking for him. Told Keely in private message that Renz had written bad checks; owed people money. Even went so far as to imply that he had a clinging wife who ran up his cell phone bills. Niiki said there were questions about Renz' genealogy and asked Keely for help filling in the blanks.
--- Quote from: Niiki on July 14, 2009, 09:58:21 pm ---
Others are looking for him and wondering????
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--- Quote from: Keely on July 17, 2009, 10:39:07 pm ---Nikki,
Let me remind you of your private email to me:
Sego, Keely;
Yes some of us here in Canada met Renz 2 times, as result of contact he made with one of my aquaintenances.
There are a lot questions that we have about him , as much of what he told us doesn't add up. Especially, when his own people , this Chaliawa Nation really don't support what he does. They want him to do the work for him , but have have not given him any support, financially or physically. He basically told us that his mother, his wife and himself are the ones that do all of the work. The whole time he was here his wife called him about every 5 minutes, which ran up a huge cell phone bill. Then she will also call others up here running up their cell phone bills trying to reach him. He also wrote a cheque for 172.00 that bounced and he has dsihonoured by not covering it, after making several promises to. He also used and mouched off of people's goodness when he was here, promising to return to help us take care of the mounds issue in Toronto. He made several promises and guarentees of return, failing to keep his word. One of our chiefs at Tyendinaga, let me and my aquaintence know that his name is on a "to be dealt with list", because of his lack of keeping his committment to our people, and stating he would be by Stewart Maracle's side to support him. He made a big mistake with Stewart to make such a committment, and then not follow through with it. He is in toruble with the men's councils up here because of this and other things.
There were also questions about his genealogy as certain things do not add up.
Any blanks you can help us fill would greatly be appreciated. Renz also has been warned, that because he did not show up at the Clanmother's meeting at Six Nations Grand Territory last wednesday, his name would be mudd up here. Since then there has been no contact with him, nor have we heard anything from him. Again suspicion that he isn't who has told us he is and that he has no intention in clearing matters up here or taking responsibilty for what he says are his ancestoral sites in Toronto.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinga Mohawk Territory
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And then bam, did a complete turn around. Niiki started to defend Renz and accuse Keely of not being who she knows she is. Now that's crazy talk. Most of us know Keely, have known her for years.
First she tried to say that Keely and her family were really Erie adopted by the Seneca and therefore under the Great Law of the Confederacy. Then she tried to make a big deal out of Keely being enrolled with the CNO. Well, if Niiki knew anything about Shawnee history, she'd know why. The Shawnee have a closer relationship with the Cherokee in Oklahoma than they do the Six Nations Confederacy.
--- Quote from: Niiki on July 17, 2009, 10:34:24 am ---I do believe that Walter Renz has since responded to your email. Also I do want to remind, that since you are Shawnee, you are a cousin under the protection of the Confederacy, and have no voice on your own. As Walter Renz is also under the protection of the Confederacy and any further attacks by you will be viewed as an attack on the entire Six Nations Confederacy. When Walter came to us , he came here to help protect sacred sites, which no one can fault him for. He also has no interest in Casinos or Casino money at what has been suggested here. I would suggest that this entire post on Walter Renz, be removed from this group and disabled. And Keely whatever words you have to say to Walter, since you do have his email, telephone, and address, that you carry that on with him directly and not on any message board and any of your relatives you have felt this same way towards Walter.
And because Walter is also living in the trailer park he is, is no indication of what kind of a human being he is. Get real!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendianga Mohawk Territory
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--- Quote from: Niiki on July 19, 2009, 04:15:31 am --- I have heard that Keely herself is not who she has led people to believe on line. Stayed tuned for more information on who Keely is. Keely, when you point a finger of judgement at someone, there are always 3 fingers pointing back at you. By the judgement that you put out on Renz, the same judgement will come back at you. I certainly hope you are prepared for the backlash that is coming your way. I tried to warn you , and you have refused to listen. Therefore I do not have any sympathy for you .
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Why the change in opinion and attitude? Was it because Keely didn't buy into her opinion of the Longtail family or Shawnee in general? Or is it something more?
Who is Niiki? She says she's Mohawk. Funny thing, in all Niiki's posts I have never seen her use Haudenosaunee or even Haude. That seems a little odd. Even if we accept the fact that she's enrolled Mohawk, her statement that she speaks for the Six Nations Confederacy is highly questionable. Threatening Keely with the power of the Confederacy? Now that's blowing smoke.
Moma_porcupine:
I agree with Al that it's usually frivolous to worry about on line people's identity if they aren't claiming any position of authority ( such as that they are a Shawnee Chief ) or publishing genealogical misinformation, and all to often irrelevent questions about peoples family background gets used as a way to try and discredit someone that someone else doesn't like. But I also noticed and wondered about some of the same stuff bls926 is pointing out.
As long as people can back up what they post with independant evidence , I don't think it matters who they are , and anonymous people who occaisionaly mention they have Native ancestry or are Native are probably harmless , but when people use this as something to give themselves authority to speak for their claimed tribe and provide no way to verify this , it gets a bit weird.
I wish that people who claim to be speaking for their tribe who don't use their real name could be discouraged from doing this if there is no other way to verify the tribes general position on these issues .
When people do this anonymously, it's impossible verify they actually have the authority to do this . It gets so it may be one flakey group of people making false claims , denouncing other flakey people making false claims , which gets more than a little wierd. Especially when the people doing this contradict themselves and don't make sense.
And I gotta say , if what Keeley is claiming is true , having her ancestors names wrongly used by someone wanting to make themselves important , is in many ways just as offensive as someone using traditional ceremonies and Prayer to make themselves important.
That must feel really crappy ...
I feel really bad for anyone having to deal with this.
(edited to fix garbled wording )
Niiki:
--- Quote from: Moma_porcupine on July 19, 2009, 09:13:03 pm ---And I gotta say , if what Keeley is claiming is true , having her ancestors names wrongly used by someone wanting to make themselves important , is in many ways just as offensive as someone using traditional ceremonies and Prayer to make themselves important.
That must feel really crappy ...
I feel really bad for anyone having to deal with this.
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Keely has no evidence to back her claims that Walter Renz has ever sold any Native Crafts on Ebay. Anything he has made has been made as gifts and not for sale. He did give something to someone once, and it ended up on ebay. That is totally wrong, for the person who received the gift and then turned around and sold it, to make it look like Walter was selling Native Crafts on ebay. She herself is totally confused about who Walter Renz as well as herself. She has got Walter Renz and his community confused with Hawk Pope and the Shawnee United Remnant Band. For someone to say that they have always lived amoung their people and then of course she actually lived in NYC in 1999, makes her stories not add up.
She also has been found on other blog sites making racist comments about white people, when she in fact herself is married to someone who is Russian. So who's geneology, stories, community recognition and etc,etc, don't add up, it's Keely's , not mine or anyone elses.
So everyone who supports Keely and Keely herself need to get their facts straight because none of you do!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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