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Hector Ybarra aka "Hector Little Wolf"

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educatedindian:

--- Quote from: Mizzlilly on April 12, 2010, 12:25:28 pm --- You educated indian

1. Where did you get the idea that Hector is teching abaut imaginary pre pagan traditions ?
And what makes you think that? I dont se eny writing or dokument eny where on this site where this is a fact.
And I never reseave eny teching abaut that, maby I sleeped in the classroom that day ???

2...it would prove your entension by giving people fair chance on there terms to explane them self .
 
3. [Long looooong and extremely confused rant about the law]

I would be very carefull and in these matters if it was me invastigating somebody.

4. That make me wonder if there is other things going on among your self.
5. Get it right
6. and this is the last i write here in this tread
7. because i se fighting and behavier that is under your suposed level and inbaressing to it is.
8. Is in my book not very serius or nice behavier, since you dont know me at all.
9. I se a big problem among you
10. the jugdement and good behavier is missing here.

11. I truly hope you will find your path in light and love for all your relations.


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Thanks for being unintentionally funny, and for proving right everything I just said. You really should try reading before making yourself look foolish
repeatedly.

1. That's been said several times in here, by your own group.

2. We gave them the chance, and they turned in down, remember? And later on, within the same post, you even admit you knew this.

3. There's yet another empty threat to go to the law again.

4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10. There's half a dozen insults and unprovoked attacks, yet again.

6. Do you promise? Because all your trolling in here is doing is showing everyone your lack of maturity.

More seriously, your trolling is just a cheap attempt to distract and for you and the Ybarras to avoid answering the central question. Why the heck would an American Indian who is Christian/NAC go to help silly New Age Danish people "find their roots"?

11. Followed by yet another insincere and silly "sweetness and light" comment. We are just fine. Your empty sanctimony is wasted, obnoxious, and not believable.

You commented "we don't know you" but we do. We see self deluded people such as yourself all the time. And your own websites show you to be even worse in these delusions than we've seen in here.

Mz Lilly's own New Age sites show quite a lot of bizarre misunderstandings of Native people. A lot of Franklin Mint images and silly romanticism and attempts to remake Indians into fantasy creatures who do little but pose with silver wolves., crystals, and pentacles. Most of it is silly, but some of it is offensive, and the sheer level of it borders on racist cartoons.
http://www.mizzlilly.dk/psp/native/native.html
http://www.mizzlilly.dk/psp/native/nativeimage.html
http://www.mizzlilly.dk/psp/native/nativeimage1.html

Even stranger is the way you twist the story of one you call Lyle Medicine Wolf. I don't see any sign of who he actually might be, but supposedly he's an Ojibwe who claims to have visions of a Cree medicine man who also believes in the phony "rainbow warriors" New Age false prophecy. What I suspect is that, like Ybarra, you simply twisted what you heard from him to fit what you wanted to believe.

And that may be yet another part of all of this. The Ybarras either don't know or don't care that NAC traditions are being twisted or misportrayed or misunderstood by some very wacky New Age Danes.

bls926:
I received a pm from Mizzlilly. She stated that she considered it for me only, so I will not post her message. Below is my response to her.



--- Quote ---« Sent to: Mizzlilly on: Today at 07:17:01 PM »  

Mizz Lilly

I'm sorry you feel that way about NAFPS. Believe me, this is not a hateful place. We have a difficult job to do and we're doing it to the best of our ability.

There are many people all over the world who think they can appropriate Native American traditions and spirituality and use them as they wish. This is wrong. Stealing from another culture is never right. Our ancestors sacrificed with their lives and freedom to protect their way of life. You cannot take it; you cannot buy it. For you or anyone else to think they can conduct a Lakota sweat lodge or a Cherokee stomp dance is wrong. To think you can charge money, adds insult to injury. These ceremonies do not belong to you. They never have and they never will, no matter how many teachers you have or how much money you pay. If you find that harsh, so be it. It is what it is.

Yes, we do want information about Hector Ybarra and what he is doing in Europe. He has been invited to join this forum and explain. He chooses not to do that. Kelsie has written to Al, but refuses to permit him to post her e-mails. If they don't want to share their side of things, that's their prerogative. No one here is forcing them. However, the research will continue with or without their input.

It's sad that so many in Europe cannot learn the traditions of their own ancestors and feel the need to steal from the First Nations.

Bonnie
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Edited to correct a typo/misspelled word in my opening. (used form instead of from)
Damn OCD.

bls926:
I received another pm from Mizzlilly; more of the same. I didn't reply to the second one, since the first pm I sent her didn't have any effect. I see she's no longer a member here.

I've been exchanging e-mails with another person associated with Hector Ybarra. We'll see what comes from that.

Walks:
I've met Hector. I gave Ben Carnes a ride to the Denver area home of him back in March of '08.

Although I didn't really get to know him or Kelsey with the short visit I made, I did hear Ben and Cat speak alot about him.

I really don't have an opinion of him per-say, I did decline an invitation to attend a NAC meeting he was to lead.

I didn't attend because I have no real interest in that church.

I wont claim to be very informed on NAC however it is my understanding that while the founding principals of the church did include some teachings of jesus, some now include these teachings and some do not.

As far as relevancy to this forum of what Hector is accused of I have the following thoughts.

One, it has been said here that NAC is based on christianity. It has also been said that christians tend to want to spread the "gospel".
So, as far as Hectors trip to Europe....so what?

The more appropriate complaint being that he was charging for his teachings,(isn't that what christians do?) and representing them as traditional Native Spirituality. Ok, fair enough, I can see the issue here, however, at what point in time, does any "ceremony" become what we call traditional?

I have been told off forum, that Hector also is accused of preforming a sweat. Many nations worldwide have utilized sweats nearly forever, so that in it's self shouldnt be cause for undue alarm.

It was also disclosed to me that the ceremony that Hector preformed was represented as an authentic Lakota sweat.......now we have huge issues.

So, is what I have been told a proven fact, or is it still a he said, she said situation?

bls926:
Hector, Kelsie, and Sunka were in Denmark during May 2010.


Den Anden Virkelighed
V. Hanne Jørgensen & Frank Hansen
http://www.denandenvirkelighed.dk/blok/index.php

April 4, 2010

--- Quote ---April month was kicked off with a week of work at this place. Many great people have put their effort and energy in this place, so it could be really nice and it has indeed. Thanks to you who came and helped. We had never done it without you.

The photos, taken during the process lies in the picture gallery under “Seen and done.” Here you can get an insight into what happened here on the spot. Look forward to come and experience it.

We have decided that it is everyone’s project to keep the land beautiful and that meens that when you come here, you are free to see if there is anything you can do to keep it.

This month, I have women’s group 2 times. This concludes the first womancircle. New women’s group starts the 12th June. Sign up quickly, if you’re interested. I put all the dates of the course into the calendar.

Saturday 17th April at. 10-17 Mona Lisa comes again with her wonderful power jewelry and tarot cards. Do you want a reading, please let me know quickly.

Saturday the 17th we have the drumming evening at 7 pm. The place is filled with new energy, so it will be really power full. Notify me if you are coming, so I know how many buns I have to bake.

At the end of the month comes our Indian family. We are really looking foreward to this. We will do healings, sweat lodge, and various workshops while they are here. We are so lucky to have them here a whole month, so there can certainly be a lot of exciting things to experience.

Remember that we are working only for donations and so does our Indian family as well.

Hugs and Light

Hanne
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May 10, 2010

--- Quote ---Saturday the 15th of May Hector wants to run a Sweat. Come and participate in a sweat run by a great medicinman.

The rules: bring changing clothes (you have to wear clothes in the sweat), towels, and a dish to share afterwards. Please remember it is by donations.
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June 2, 2010

--- Quote ---Finally it seems that the summer comes. May has been realy cold and wet, and certainly not the best weather for our activities here.We have had the great pleasure to have Hector, Kelsie and Sunka here in May. It’s been fantastic lovely and instructive for us and many others.Our outdoor kitchen works perfectly, making it much easier to have activities here. The outdoor toilet also acts as it should. The last weekend  we also installed an outdoor shower. Now does it all work as it should. Thanks to all the wonderful people who helped us with the hard work.Here in June I start a new women’s group. The dates are on the calendar. Join if you want to work with yourself and find your inner goddess.Saturday 19th June, we celebrate the solstice and have the drum group. We anticipate that we will meet at 3 o’clock and we start the grill. Bring food that can be placed on the grill. After eating, we will drum and sing as usual. We finish as usual with coffee and freshly baked buns. We’d love to have your registration for this event. Remember we have no prices, but happily accept donations.
Do you want to come and give us a hand with the land, you are very welcome. Weeds are growing fast now and we can easily use a few extra hands to help us with that.Currently we are trying to put a program up for the autumn. Do you have any ideas for what should be done here at the place, feel free to let us know.Hugs and LightHanne
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(I bolded references to Hector et al)

Notice there are no prices listed for any of these events; it's all about donations now.

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