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Blackwater Muskogee tribe
educatedindian:
--- Quote from: loudcrow on May 12, 2008, 06:33:00 pm ---
1. Selling honorary memberships to Germans?
Where is the proof?
2. And which members of my clan/family have repeatedly libeled NAFPS
and/or its members?
3. Lekay and Yeagley? I don't know them. What do they have to do
with any of this?
Liz Roemer
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1. There were some links we found to discussions on German messageboards. It seems that Nichols had faced some accusations. I was careful only to say that there were such accusations until I knew more, and hoped that the Blackwaters would tell us more rather than just shut down and refuse to speak. Now Ingeborg tells me the source was not credible. I'm glad to have that resolved.
2. Well, besides Granny? Besides Liz herself, repeating the same libel without proof? Besides Crazyeagle and Justme? Nichols seems to be the only Blackwater not to have repeatedly libelled. All he did was explode with anger once and leave.
3. Lekay and Yeagley are where some of the Blackwater got the libel that they repeated uncritically, without proof, numerous times. Whether Liz or any others in Blackwater realized it or not, they were being played by the Yeagledites and exploiters.
I think the waiting to hear back from Poarch Creek is good advice, but would like to point out one important thing:
Nowhere has Blackwater been "attacked". Asking questions is not attacking, esp since we repeatedly said our questions in calm careful measured tones (outside of at the end, when I became a little frustrated). That contrasts quite a bit with the way some of the Blackwaters have treated NAFPS members.
It's ironic that they chose to ignore the compliments NAFPS members paid them at times. Their work against exploiters in Europe deserves praise, and being descendants instead of an actual tribe (based on what we see so far) should not diminish that. Unfortunately their behavior makes it look like they have something to hide, and will probably be used by exploiters in Germany to discredit them.
BUt what we've always been talking about are comparately minor questions, certainly nothing to compare to the very serious abusers and exploiters like Holzwarth or the Deer Tribe. It's only the defensiveness and evasion which has drawn out what could have been a short simple discussion into such a long one.
Ingeborg:
--- Quote ---1. There were some links we found to discussions on German messageboards. It seems that Nichols had faced some accusations. I was careful only to say that there were such accusations until I knew more, and hoped that the Blackwaters would tell us more rather than just shut down and refuse to speak. Now Ingeborg tells me the source was not credible. I'm glad to have that resolved.
--- End quote ---
Just a small correction here: as far as I am aware, Larry Nichols never *faced* these accusations. Some rumours were voiced in a forum which Larry Nichols does not frequent, so I wouldn't say they were said to his face; 'behind his back' should be a more correct way to phrase it. From all I've seen, it was just someone going on about him at a place they thought safe enough, and they did not expect to be called upon their BS by him.
zoi lightfoot:
For the sake of clarity,when we use the term "Blackwaters",we are referring to the two peoples in Europe and the majority in the US,yes?.
Moma_porcupine:
I still haven't heard back from the Poarch Creek Band. If they get a lot of spam it's possible they never even noticed I emailed them. I used the email in the contact link on this webpage,
http://www.poarchcreekindians.org/xhtml/contact.htm
I suppose if someone involved with the Blackwater group knows someone in the tribal council who would be willing confirm that the Poarch Creek band recognizes the Black Water Muskokee band, as a Nation, they could ask them to email Al from the Tribal Council, to confirm this. Otherwise I will just wait and let people know if and when I hear back from them.
I don't mean to leave people siting on the edges of their seats, but I'm not sure what else I can do.
It is a good thing that this group speaks out against exploitation of ceremonies, and I hope people will understand that these are completely seperate issues. What this group has said against this abuse is still valid, and I hear these people have done good things in this regard, even if the Blackwater Muskokee turn out to be more of a heritge group, and not really a tribe.
zoi lightfoot:
Thank you for your patience moma.
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