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Offline earthw7

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Re: www.saponitown.com
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2007, 08:16:12 am »
My petpeeve:
I am from Standing Rock,
I am Blackfeet/Hunkpapa/Oglala of the Lakota Nation at least half of me, the rest is Dakota.
The Blackfeet are known as Lakota speakers, Lakota considered Western Sioux.
I started reading on these people and each document states they can find no
connection to our people or the Blackfeet in Montana.
I also read where this supposed nation is extinct.
Makes you wonder.
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« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2007, 05:14:30 pm »
Aside the long argument about the Meluegeons here is a good article. http://www.darkfiber.com/blackirish/cherokeeblackfoot.html

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« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2007, 06:14:26 pm »
Very Very Interesting
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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2009, 01:04:53 pm »
Hi my name is debra and my mother was born in what is called goinstown area. I was always told my granny was indian.Her name was jennie Hickman before marriage and jennie hickman richardson . I guess I'm just trying to find out if she was native american and of what tribe

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« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2009, 02:22:25 pm »
Debra, you misunderstand what this forum is about. It is to investigate and warn the public about spiritual exploiters. This is not a genealogy forum.

Offline E.P. Grondine

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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2010, 08:08:20 pm »

Again, they make a big deal of the Saponi, Tutelo, Occoneechee, Monacan, as being speakers of a Siouan language and feel there are close ties to South Dakota. I am not as certain those ties are all that close, tho, but I really don't know. For all I know they might have separated 2,000 years ago, or maybe just 4 or 5 hundred years ago. There was a band of them called Santee in South Carolina and some members said it was the same people as the Santee in Minnesota or Nebraska -- but after looking for a link betwen the two I never found it.

The Six Nations adopted some (I read that they called all Piedmont Siouan tribes -- even the Catawba -- by the name Tutero (or something very similar) -- specifically it was the Cayuga i think that adopted them).  Some are undoubtedly  presently with the Catawba as there are historic records of them always going back and forth between their own lands in the Southern Appalachians and closer to the Atlantic in NC and Va to live with the Catawba . There are several state recognized groups in NC and Va (Hawila-Saponi, Occoneechee band of Saponi, are recognized in NC and Monacan are recognized in Va.). To be state recognized in NC and Va means something as their standards are not easily met. This website is run by people who are not state recognized, but specific members of state recognized groups recognize them as being of Saponi/Tutelo/Monacan heritage based on genealogy.

Hello Vance,

There has been some discussion of this both here at NAFPS, and I've discussed it with Richard as well.

Opinions differ, but as near as I can make out from the oral histories and the archaeological record, the Monacan accompanied the Lenape on their migration east due to the climate collapse in the west, while the other more southern eastern siouxian peoples accompanied the Mushkogean peoples during their migrations at the same time due to the same climate collapse.

One of the interesting things that I saw while traveling on the Roanoke river was how many people clearly had Native American heritage. It appears in prominent families as well, as the first settlers of the Carolinas were European males who fled Jamestown and Williamsburg and intermarried. But due to the racism that was the foundation of slavery, all of this was vigorously denied.

I can't speak to the later refuges many of those peoples found during the conquest, but the Six Nations did keep detailed histories. The book "Red Carolinians" was a good source. The best account of the slaughter of the Andaste and Oconachee I found was in "Century Magazine".


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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2010, 04:12:20 am »


Opinions differ, but as near as I can make out from the the archaeological record, the Monacan accompanied the Lenape on their migration east due to the climate collapse in the west, while the other more southern eastern siouxian peoples accompanied the Mushkogean peoples during their migrations at the same time due to the same climate collapse.
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 What archaeological record??? The ancestors of the Siouian tribes show a migration going from the east to the west in a diagonal line heading northward. The ancestors of the Lenape and other Coastal Algonquians show 3 distinct migrations hundreds of years apart. One directly from the Ohio Valley during the Terminal Archaic. One out of New York during the Early Woodland and one straight down from the North during the Middle-Late Woodland.
  What archaeology are you studying?????
 In another thread you treated the Susquehannocks and Andaste as 2 tribes.  Andaste is just the French name for the Susquehannocks!!!!! :-\ Who did you study Lenape archaeology under and where??? Tony Bonfiglio, Jack Cresson, Ned Heite, Cara Blume, Jay Custer, Mike Stewart, Herb Kraft?? Nobody even knows who you are. ???