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Offline mibbyagain

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The Oukah
« on: December 12, 2004, 09:36:29 pm »
Anyone know about this guy?

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Oaks/8010/

Someone cited him on alt.politics.democrats a couple months back, and I knew his claim about being Cherokee royalty was a fake, but I decided someone here could tell me more about how much of a fraud he is.

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Re: The Oukah
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2004, 12:24:21 am »
I'll leave it to Trish and the other Cherokees to tell you about how and why his claims are phony and what other Cherokees say about him. http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/articles/art00125.htm

I had a kind of run in with some of his follwers a few years ago. There was a twinkie group in Dallas calling itself MUTTS  or Multifaceted United Tribal ? Society. Sorry, I've forgotten part of the acronymn.

MUTTS were some white pagans and people with distant NDN ancestry trying to be a tribe. They invited our old enemy Harley Reagan to come do sweats for them. Harley was so ignorant about how to do a sweat that many of them wound up badly burned or dehydrated.

The secrecy and tactics surrounding this were downright surreal. They posted about it only in an unlisted invite-only yahoo group. Even though all the MUTTS were from Dallas, it was held way out in the country, location kept secret until the day before the sweat. And just to keep any of the NDNs in Dallas from protesting, they scheduled it on the same day as an important annual powwow with the Gourd Dance Society and other big names.

Where the Oukah and his followers came in was with this: At least some of them were part of MUTTS, or working with them. They tried to infiltrate into the old ORE group and some others that were thinking of protesting. They warned MUTTS. I got some email from the "Office of the Oukah" demanding to know about any protests and who was behind them.

No matter how legit or not any of his claims are, many of his people are twinkie Nuagers.
They've got their own press, Triskelion (which is a European symbol BTW).

And they teach twinkie stuff from Diane Fisher/Ywahoo and Manataka.
http://groups.msn.com/CherokeeFriendsFireCircle/traditionalspirituality.msnw

Some of what they teach looks to be more pseudo Lakota stuff. Is that a Lakota name their Cherokee language teacher has chosen? The dresses sure looks to be Plains NDN imitation.
http://groups.msn.com/CherokeeFriendsFireCircle/wakaslessons1.msnw

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Re: The Oukah
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2005, 04:31:37 am »
Hey, does the Grand Poobah Oukah mean to use the term "Oukah" or the term "Uku". I looked in my three Cherokee-English dictionaries and could not find the word Oukah. Uku use to be in ancient times what I guess would be like a principal priest or high priest (head guy of all ceremonials. I hate using the word priest as much as shaman when it come to ndn stuff). But this person would not have been either one of the two chiefs a community would have had. Never emperor of a whole nation. He probably would have had political influence on the chiefs.

Oukah, never heard of this guy before but he sounds off the deep end and his website confirms it. Hate to sound nuagey here, but I got a real bad vibe looking at his site.

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Re: The Oukah
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2005, 01:49:54 pm »
I was told we did use to have emperor type people but that it was a long long time ago. Before the euros arrived even. So this guy in claiming hes from some unbroken line of kings is a total nutter. His own family thinks hes a nut.

IMO - he's set up his own little cult.


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Re: The Oukah
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2005, 06:36:36 am »
Thanks for the info. I didn't know about him and ORE. The guy doesn't even know the standard romanization of Cherokee words. At least he used a term other than "shaman", though.