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Offline lostcherokee

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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2007, 03:41:18 am »
sounds like this guy stayed in a sweat wayyyyyy  to long........





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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2007, 04:02:57 am »
who owns this one
http://itwillbethundering.resist.ca/warrior_publications/whyweneedwarriorsocieties.html

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frederica

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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2007, 03:09:24 pm »
SECCI is a non-profit, and so is Manataka a non-profit (501-c3). Both have Warrior Societies. Most Nations that have Warrior Societies, like Al stated are selected. Many are Veterans, some take Law Enforcement and Fire Fighters also. They do what they are called on to do. But I am still not sure why the SECCI needs a Warrior Society to "Protect their Chief". According to the post by NMC that is one of their functions. Warriors are respected people, not ranting fools like some of these non-profits produce. Looks like just just more culture vulture stuff to me.  frederica

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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2007, 03:18:00 pm »
Steve didn't say which clan it was that used to be the Cherokee warrior society long ago. He told me that Cherokee clans were not the business of anyone who wasn't Cherokee, so I didn't ask further.

Old Duncan. What can you say?

"END OF THE FOURTH WORLD
By GRANDFATHER SINGS-ALONE"

That's Hopi, not Cherokee.

"Loralee Otterheart was a young Blackfeet woman, fairly new to our small Sweatlodge community. She was a professional Native American Storyteller and teacher."

Does anyone know of her?

"That evening I called Loralee and told her what happened and that I would have to sweat her next week. She was bewildered as you can imagine, but agreed to it. On the appointed day we built the fire and prepared for the ceremony. It is beyond the scope of this editorial to describe the Sweatlodge ceremony, but during the third round of the sweats I consulted the Spirits. When I asked them why we were commanded to do this Inipi, they said that they wanted Loralee to be my successor. I was to teach her all that I knew. She would take over for me when I could no longer do the work."

"Free Cherokees" doing a sweat and appointing a Blackfoot as their leader?

"Today, with Loralee as my helper, we have eight Pipe Carriers and six Water Pourers in our small group."

They hand out titles like candy at Halloween.

"In early August (2004) a good man, Tom Balistrieri, spoke with the blessing and encouragement of a group of Medicine Men to an audience of health professionals. These men, calling themselves the 19+1, come from the Inuit, Pueblo, Dineh, and Shoshone tribes. They meet once a year at a sacred place to share with each other."

Pueblo is not one tribe.

"Tom said that these medicine men are facing the great Tetons and begging Her to stay with us a little longer."

Could this be Benny LeBeau's bunch?

"The Hopi are widely regarded as the keepers of prophecy for all the tribes."

I wouldn't say so, and they sure don't appreciate outsiders using Hopi prophecies to build their own little followings.

Offline lostcherokee

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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2007, 03:46:17 pm »
Well part of the reason  she has a personal body guard is,She has made more enemys's than friends over the years.And yes they are good at using other cultures when it fits there needs


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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2007, 07:45:11 pm »
Loralee Dubeau AKA Otterheart. Time to move this thread to Fraud.

"Psychic consultation, dream interpretation, card reading and Reiki offered in person or by phone. Soul retrieval and chakra balancing done in person only. Native American educator. Good Medicine Society teacher.
Loralee Otterheart Dubeau has been an educator and holistic consultant for over seventeen years. Her native heritage is Blackfoot and she has studied Native American history, culture, tradition and ceremony with respected elders for over twenty-five years.  She is a member and teacher of the Good Medicine Society. She also is a member of the White Buffalo Calf Women's Society.
Otterheart’s educational programs and private holistic healing and consultation practice draw on her wide range of experience and study.  Her educational audiences are both young and adult.   
Otterheart has introduced her Native American history, tradition, and culture to children in many schools, camps, Scouting programs and libraries.  Through the use of discussion, dance, songs, story telling and games, she has provided a positive and stimulating, fun approach to education.   
 Her Adult Education programs include:
 Native American Plant Medicine, Wisdom of the Stone Tribe, Medicine Wheel,
 Native Dreaming (Didn't you know them durned Indins don't dream the same as reglar people?),
 Healing the Moon (It's gotta be sick cuz it's so pale all the time.)
 Cartomancy (that's tarot card reading),
 Chakra Balancing, Reiki, Karuna Reiki,
 Philosophy of Good Medicine (As opposed to medicine that ain't worth shit)
 Keli Studies (Good Medicine) (redundant redundant)
 Wisdom in Living 
Otterheart also has a private education and holistic consultation practice.  She is a Usui Reiki Master and Karuna Reiki Master, and provides certifications to all levels. 
Clients come to Otterheart for chakra balancing, card reading, astrological charts, dream interpretation and soul journeys.  Phone consulatations for readings and dream interpretation are also available.
 Otterheart can be reached for private and phone consultation or workshops at"

(And you can pay by paypal naturally.)

Duncan called her young, but by her photo she looks to be in her late 40s early 50s.
Located in that great center of Blackfoot people, Massachusetts.

If you want a good laugh, take a look at this photo. It looks like even she can't get over how silly she looks.
http://www.otterheart.com/id64.html

She claims to have been taught by:
https://www.ktconed.org/health_and_lifestyle.htm
"In this 8 week study program based on the teachings of Cherokee elder Eli Gatoga, you will learn the set of concepts common to most Native societies. These teachings explain in a simple way, the personal relationship between Man and the rest of Creation. The weekly concepts in this course Religion of Nature, Spiritual relationship, the Circle, All our relations, Wheel of life, World of spirits, Cherokee Medicine wheel, and Cause and Effect will open your eyes to a new way of looking at life. For people looking to learn and understand native philosophy this course is a must!!! This course will require reading, open class discussion and weekly written homework.
Room: 222 • Instructor: Loralee Otterheart Dubeau • Tuition: $149"

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2007, 07:52:48 pm »
Tom Balistreri. Frauds of a feather flock together. Disturbing to see this nonsense infiltrate psychology.

http://chronicle.com/che-data/articles.dir/art-43.dir/issue-24.dir/24b01101.htm
"LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Students Face Adulthood in"Rites of Passage"
To the Editor:
While I cannot speak for other First Nations faculty members, I was dismayed by Tom Balistrieri's appropriation of native traditions to provide young men with rites of passage ("Indian Rituals, Jung, and Nature Help Students Face Adulthood," December 6).
Two summers of participating in Lakota"sweat lodges" qualifies Dr. Balistrieri for neither the role of elder nor the role of healer. Religions of the North American indigenous peoples are sophisticated and complex, and the accurate performance of ritual requires many years of spiritual preparation and training under recognized supervision. A professor who claimed to be an Episcopal priest or a rabbi based on two summers of attending worship services would be recognized immediately as an impostor.
Dr. Balistrieri's actions are harmful to First Nations peoples. They reinforce stereotypes, demonstrate a marked lack of respect for the religious beliefs and traditions of the Lakota and other native people, and are exploitive.
Better alternatives might be to have the young men meet with traditional native elders, perhaps in talking circles where the young men can explore their feelings, beliefs, and experiences. Such circles can be affectively powerful and a means of personal growth. Why not give the young men academic credit for attending a Culture Camp, such as that held by the Indian Federated College in Saskatchewan? There, students live within the native culture, on native lands, under the guidance of elders who teach according to the needs of each learner. At the very least, why not turn over the tuition and fees collected from the young men to the people from whom the ceremonies were expropriated?
Joyce Z. White
Professor of Social Work
Chair
Department of Social Work
Methodist College
Fayetteville, N.C.

* * *
To the Editor:
As a Chronicle subscriber and as a long-time alumnus worker for a college fraternity, I was particularly interested in some of the information in your article about the Worcester Polytechnic Institute students in the"Passage" program. That program, as reported and in fact, has nothing to do with fraternities.
The article reported that the students"stripped to swim trunks and entered a hut where three 'elders' ... led them in a steam-filled American Indian ritual called a 'sweat lodge.'" ... The students were asked to"get in touch with their feminine side." And the article reported that they would fast for 24 hours and spend four to six hours meditating.
It should be noted that, were members of a college fraternity to dare try anything like this, administrators and faculty at many universities would be signing papers for their expulsion. Thousands of fraternity alumni and undergraduates have been working hard for years to rid fraternities of activities with implications such as those noted above, and all national and international fraternal organizations work hard to prevent any types of hazing or harassment.
It appears that some university administrators and faculty are being given a longer leash and enjoying a double standard!
Fred F. Yoder
Director of Alumni Participation
Sigma Chi International Fraternity
Evanston, Ill."

http://www.onlineparadigm.com/archives/228-SP03_PT.MH.pdf
"The medicine wheel is far more complex and has manyuses beyond the scope of this article. But even thepreceding basic approach gives us a template for helpingclients with balance and a map for life.
Why Aren’t You More Like I Am?The medicine wheel can also be applied to working withrelationships. Earth, air, fire and water are associated withthe four directions, giving us a cognitive and experientialparadigm for individual similarities, differences andconflicts in relationships. We so often enter relationshipscharmed by our partner’s differences, then wonder whythey aren’t more like ourselves.
I once attended a weeklong seminar taught bypsychologist Tom Balistrieri, Ed.D. entitled “Repairing theRainbow: Helping Young People Transition into Adulthood�?at the Cape Cod Summer Institute. This seminar, usingthe medicine wheel and native traditions, included anexercise where each participant chose one of the elementsof earth, air, fire and water as their identity. We thendivided into groups representing each of these elements.Within the groups we shared our similarities, whichseemed, of course, the “normal�? way to do things. Thenbetween groups we discovered our differences, amidstmuch laughter and teasing. Clear differences emerged, aswell as attitudes and beliefs, that shed great light on thedifficulties of interactions, as well as how we cometogether in relaxed ways.
It is an exercise that I have used with both teen and adultclients with considerable success. It becomes very clearthat “earth�? people do things quite differently than “air�?people, etc. I encourage everyone to choose his or her ownelement and play with the concept. It is an engaging way toconsider individual differences, attitudes, judgments andthe challenges in cooperative projects.
Mind, Body and Spirit
With the medicine wheel, we can efficiently work with thefull paradigm of mind, body and spirit while helping youth,their families and ourselves grow in a balanced, integratedmanner with attention to all the parts of our lives. Morecomplete than focusing on symptoms, it helps usunderstand others and ourselves while offering balance,healing and growth at the deepest levels.
MDr. Kathryn E. Ferner,a clinical psychologist in private practice forthe past 25 years and a consultant to area hospitals and medical centers, hastrained extensively in the native and indigenous traditions."

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2007, 08:17:27 pm »
Claims about the late Eli Gatoga.

http://www.goodmedicinesociety.com/gmsbrhtml.htm
"OUR LEGENDS TELL OF A TIME some 1500 years ago when the medicine councils united the tribes on the American continents into one great hoop of nations. The medicine men and women were the healers, teachers, spiritual advisors, and priesthood to their people. Even when the tribes were at war with each other, the medicine people of all nations maintained a peaceful unity among themselves.
The teachings of the Good Medicine Society relate to that ancient tradition. They were compiled and organized into a progressive series of lessons by our late teacher, Eli Gatoga, part Cherokee, born and raised in the Ozark Mountains.
In 1970 Eli experienced a vision showing him that it was time to disseminate teachings of Good Medicine for the new age beginning....It has been prophesied that the spiritual truths of the Indian will be restored during the present Time — the astrological “Age of Aquarius,??? which we call the “Time of the Coyote.??? Grandfather Eli taught that being an Indian — a Real Person — was not so much a matter of ancestry."

The "teachings" seem like a knockoff of Sun Bear"

"Our Medicine Animals
Astrology's Wisdom
by Grandmother Alloday
printed in The Flowering Tree, Fall 1997
In the Good Medicine teachings, Astrology determines one's "Medicine Animal." Some of the Medicines are not animals at all. The Tree (Gemini) and Corn (Virgo) represent the plant kingdoms, and these are every bit as important as those of the fish, the crayfish, the birds, and the different family groups of the animals.
Each of us carries the magnetic imprint of the sky influences present at the moment we inhaled our first breath. The major factor comes from the influence of Father Sun, modified by the constellation He is travelling with at the time of our birth. This determines one's Medicine Path for this lifetime. Since all things are related and connected, the Sun/Medicine-Teacher influence is further modified by the relative positions of the planets and the moon at the time and place of birth, giving each person a unique "Medicine."
....As the Sun travels through the zodiac, we experience the changing seasons of the year, and we naturally respond to the influences of the different times. In the springtime, for example, when the Sun "travels with" the Sheep (Aries), we feel the impulsive push to get things started - begin a new project, plant a garden. In the fall, when the length of the day and night are the same, and the Sun travels with the Fox and Mouse (Libra), we feel the balance, a different energy. But we still experience each of these from the place of our own individual Medicine. We are not changing our Medicine that was given at birth.
To fully use the gifts of your Medicine, you must strive to be the best Leo, Aquarian, Gemini, Capricorn, or whatever your Medicine is, that you can be."

Eli wasn't exactly a traditional.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aWordtotheWise/
"A WORD TO THE WISE is an Astrological Newsletter reflecting on the influence of the current position of the Sun, based on the teachings of Father Eli Gatoga (1916-1983) Cherokee Medicine Man and Grand Master of The Druidic Craft of the Wise in America."

The site is filled with astrology.

One of the Free Cherokee leaders:
http://www.totse.com/en/religion/miscellaneous_religious_texts/religion.html
"James David Audlin....
In 1985 I took my precepts as a monk in the Chogye Zen Buddhist tradition, of which Seung Sahn is the Zen Master. Continuing my studies of the Native American tradition with Lakota-trained Cherokees such as Running Deer, Grandmother Alloday Gatoga, and Grandfather Chief Sings Alone, I was initiated into the Good Medicine Society in 1989 and have been appointed the New England Area Chief of the tribe in which I am enrolled, the Free Cherokees. All this time I have continued to serve as a pastor of local
churches."

Another "Free Cherokee". I swear, you can't make this stuff up. If you tried to pass this off as comedy, everyone would say this is too outrageous and over the top.

http://www.whitewolfstar.net/info/meilanbio.html
"Mei Lan White Wolf Star
Bio: An ordained Madonna Minister and Priest since 1989, and current Bishop of the Madonna Ministry, an Initiate of the Eli Gatoga Good Medicine Society, Certified Drug and Alcohol Counselor, member of the National Association of Holistic Aromatherapy, editor of the Madonna Newsletter and past Health Editor of Face Magazine, teacher/writer/lecturer and Master Healer, Mei Lan White Wolf Star brings to her work and teachings a wide range of knowledge and experience with depth, compassion, and humor.

An incarnated Pleidian, Mei Lan White Wolf Star has spent the last 1000 years on the planet Earth in order to participate and contribute to the healing and raising of the frequencies on this plane at this time. In this current lifetime, she was born into her plan B family (plan A failed) - and is 4th generation healer in a family rich with clairvoyants, psychics, teachers, ministers, healers, artists, writers and creative people. At the age of six, she began to have visions and contact with her spirit guides - especially the Madonna and Archangel Michael, at eight began to receive precognitive dreams, at 15, began training in Chinese acupuncture with an aunt who was a mid- wife/ dentist/ acupuncturist. Under the direct guidance of The White Brotherhood, she was taught the many dimensions of healing through the use of sounds, colors, crystals, essences, Rays, Mandalas, universal grid work, and alternate-universe reality-integration. She began to channel Omna, a member of the White Brotherhood in 1985 as well as other member of the White Brotherhood including Mary, El Morya, St. Germaine and many of the Angelic Realm. Working with Thoth and the Eye of Horus, Mei Lan’s personal practices includes working for the Madonna and the Angelic Realm within her ministry, Tibetan Buddhism practices and meditations, shamanic journey work for Soul Retrievals, Depossession and Exorcisms; counseling therapies that includes Idenics, Metaphorical Healing of the Inner Child, Archetypal Meditations and Integration, drug & alcohol counseling; her healing work includes Pleidian Grid Work (Axiatonal) and anchoring the Light Frequencies of the 12th Dimension in our multi-dimensional universal grid work; and the most fun of all: conducting weddings in the Native American traditions. She is also working with hospitals as a consultant to integrate holistic and alternative healing modalities into their alopathic regimens. As well, through the guidance of Pleidian guides, she has created a series of 12th Dimension sprays that combine essential oils, flower essences and gemstone essences anchored to sacred numbers, mandalas special spirit guides. The use of these sprays help the healer to anchor Light in the higher frequencies and access other dimensions and alternate realities."

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Re: " Warrior Society"/Free Cherokee
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2007, 11:20:56 pm »
 We do have a thread on the Free Cherokee under frauds.
http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=592.0
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Re: " Warrior Society"/Free Cherokee
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2007, 12:19:53 am »
An Educational read on the Warrior Society:
http://newsocialist.org/newsite/index.php?id=1009
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Re: " Warrior Society"/Free Cherokee
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2007, 05:12:53 pm »
I thought I remembered there being a thread already, but nothing came up for me using the search function.

It's a shame that warrior societies get lumped together with the Free Cherokee. I'd stress for any newcomer to the site reading this that there are many legit warrior societies. Weheli gave us an article pointing to those who focus on activism. The ones that are closer to vets groups have been written about in books such as Wm Meadows Kiowa Apache and Comanche Military Societies.

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Re: " Warrior Society"/Free Cherokee
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2007, 05:32:36 pm »
 I agree Al. My point of the post was to focus on the ones using the name " Warrior Society" in a negative way and using again the American Indian symbols and mixing our traditons and ways to give them some validation. I have VERY much RESPECT for the ones who are true and give them the utmost HONOR. Also to educate myself and others about the "Warrior Society" both the HONORABLE ones and those without honor.
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Re: " Warrior Society"/Free Cherokee
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2007, 05:56:26 pm »
Agree, I think that is as bad as abusing the Traditional Medicine People by imitation. frederica

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Re: " Warrior Society"/Free Cherokee
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2010, 07:19:46 pm »
As has already been mentioned, there are warrior societies, Cherokee and others, that are veterans groups who never represent themselves as being anything official with their respective nations.  Indeed, the opposite seems true of the few groups I have ever come across.  I have no doubt however, as has also been pointed out in this thread, that there are some frauds out there representing themselves as what ever fits their fancy of the day.  A shame for sure.
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Re: " Warrior Society"
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 09:07:43 pm »
This site and the others are all radical political Canadians. Many anarchists, communists, revolutionary socialists, environmentalist extremists, loony tune leftists take up aboriginal causes because they see their cause as being politically radical. Most are soon disillusioned, I think we probably have some of them in this group...

who owns this one
http://itwillbethundering.resist.ca/warrior_publications/whyweneedwarriorsocieties.html

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OrgAbuseName:   Abuse Department
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-604-688-8946
OrgAbuseEmail:  abuse@netnation.com

OrgTechHandle: IN8-ARIN
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  ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-05-05 19:10
 Registrant Data
Registrant id#: 1
Status:         EXIST                                             
Registrar:      Tucows.com Co.                                   
Registrar-no:   156                                               
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Subdomain:      resist.ca                                         
Renewal-Date:   2009/02/22                                       
Date-Approved:  2001/02/22                                       
Date-Modified:  2007/01/11                                       
Organization:   TAO Communications Vancouver                     
Description:                                                     
Admin-Name:     N. Barber                                         
Admin-Title:    Co-ordinator                                     
Admin-Postal:   Resist Communications                             
                PO Box 78061, 2606 Commercial Drive               
                Vancouver BC V5N 1G8 Canada                       
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Admin-Fax:                                                       
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Tech-Title:     Co-ordinator                                     
Tech-Postal:    Resist Communications                             
                PO Box 78061, 2606 Commercial Drive               
                Vancouver BC V5N 1G8 Canada                       
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