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Title: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on September 04, 2013, 04:43:17 pm
Chuck Spezzano is definitely not First Nations, he appears to be targeting first nations and their healing money.
spezzano mentioned in a nafps post under a fraud named Philip Young, Spezzano is mentioned in the last entryon this posting.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1474.0
 
 Spezzano has been targeting First Nations in healing money in British columbia, Canada,
 some of the targeted money was meant for Residential school survivors The Aboriginal Healing Foundation and fn's village band councils band funding are some targeted funders that have given him money for rss survivors
  Spezzano's healing model is based on A Course Of Miracles, which is a recognized cult in the U.S.A.
   To become an "advanced Trainer" in his organization you have 100 plus days of his "training" and to join or become a "oneness dheeksha blesser".this is also a recognized cult in the U.S.A.
 I am wondering if someone will help to research and verify that  Spezzano's and his Psychology Of vision is indeed a high demand group and is harmful to first nations people because his 100 day grads that he turns into "advanced trainers" lead the public and the funders to believe that they can fix peoples minds, targeting residential school survivors for money meant fot their true healing

http://fnsds.org/files/Conference%202009/Psychology%20Of%20Vision/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf

http://povcanada.com/first-nations/

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/ChuckSpezzano.htm

http://www.growthvision.bz/Default.aspx?tabid=57

lency spezzano is chucks wife and the inventer of "joining"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcOoCtUJ-kI

  does spezzano have any licensed academic accreditation/basis and recognition to his business in the U.S.A. ? he leads the public that he is highly successful and that he is an accredited psychologist.
 is he licensed ?
his 100 day grads are uncredited to practice psychology,yet they to promote themselves as such, again preying on vulnerable residential school survivors,

what makes this organization scary and threatening to first nations is that his "teachings" seem to be about commercializing power,dominance and control so the participants are better than others (the ones that don't get it)
capitalism and materialism seem to be his idea of success, this is a scary concept to peoples cultures when native traditions and beliefs are changed to suit what the participants ideas to get what they want



 is this the same chuck spezzano with California superior court charges against him that is coming to canada and holding workshops in other countries??

http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html

 If there is fraud to money meant for others and theft of the money to be spent on themselves and their group,this is a criminal act and is not healing,spiritual,or enlightened behavior

 Hopefully others will  research and share both good and not so good opinions and information about Chuck Spezzano and his spiritual business called  Psychology  of vision.












Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 04, 2013, 08:04:20 pm
In Hawaii, in the past, they did business as variations of Psychology of Vision http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/search.html?recordType=ALL&status=ALL&beginsWith=true&query=psychology+of+vision (http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/search.html?recordType=ALL&status=ALL&beginsWith=true&query=psychology+of+vision) - all those have expired. Maybe they use the name elsewhere. They continue to use Spezzano & Associates, Limited http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=81992D1 (http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=81992D1)

He is Charles Lee Spezzano, she Lenora Kay Spezzano.

MASTER NAME    SPEZZANO & ASSOCIATES, LIMITED
BUSINESS TYPE    Domestic Profit Corporation
FILE NUMBER    81992 D1
STATUS    Active
PURPOSE    TO CONDUCT SEMINARS AND LECTURES THROUGH OUT THE WORLD
PLACE INCORPORATED    Hawaii UNITED STATES
REGISTRATION DATE    Nov 15, 1990
MAILING ADDRESS    47-416 WAIHEE PL
KANEOHE, Hawaii 96744
UNITED STATES
TERM    PER
AGENT NAME    CHARLES L. SPEZZANO
AGENT ADDRESS    47-716 WAIHEE PL
KANEOHE, Hawaii 96744
UNITED STATES
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 04, 2013, 08:10:27 pm
They also did business for a few years under this name:

MASTER NAME    CENTER FOR ABORIGINAL HEALING AND VISION
BUSINESS TYPE    Domestic Nonprofit Corporation
FILE NUMBER    202846 D2
STATUS    Inv. Dissolved
PURPOSE    MEETINGS, NETWORKING, HEALING WORKSHOPS
PLACE INCORPORATED    Hawaii UNITED STATES
REGISTRATION DATE    Jan 17, 2003
MAILING ADDRESS    47-416 WAIHEE PL
KANEOHE, Hawaii 96744
UNITED STATES
TERM    PER
AGENT NAME    CHARLES L. SPEZZANO
AGENT ADDRESS    47-416 WAIHEE PL
KANEOHE, Hawaii 96744
UNITED STATES

http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=202846D2&view=info (http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=202846D2&view=info)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on September 04, 2013, 10:24:14 pm
thanx very much Piff,
 Chuck Spezzano is still very active with his spiritual business,

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/events/

 he uses the internet to advertise and lure in his participants with his self promoting puff talk.making people believe that he is has an accredited psychology degree, he advertises huge successful results about how wonderfull his business is at making people happy while it costs a lot of money for his continuing never ending"workshops",never ending because you always need more of his "teachings" to get happy, meaning more $$$
he also has his own tarot card readings for his followers to live their lives by and give answers to their life's problems

 spezzano has never been a registrant by the college of psychologists of b.c. canada to practice psychology in b.c or canada,

 If spezzano is unlicensed to practice psychology in the state of Hawaii,is he even allowed to use psychology terminology or wording in his advertisements,can he even use the word psychology? the records show that he terminated his business a long time ago, so is he deceiving the public? by misleading the public to believe that he is licensed and qualified to fix peoples minds,
i wonder what the psychologist licensing board of Hawaii would think of chuck spezzano's spiritual business if he's using terminology he isn't licensed to use??

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 04, 2013, 10:52:16 pm
Here's the Hawaii professional license check site http://pvl.ehawaii.gov/pvlsearch/app (http://pvl.ehawaii.gov/pvlsearch/app)

He doesn't have to be licensed to use psychological terminology, but ideally he would be very clear about his professional  licensing status, education/degrees, and status of any businesses.

Their large group seminars look pricey and designed to keep people coming back for more. While spending more. They encourage people to become trainers:

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Each Psychology of Vision trainer has completed 100 days of workshop training including at least 30 days accumulated during 10-day Apprenticeship trainings with Chuck and Lency Spezzano. This requires great commitment and often-unreal levels of courage to look so deeply within themselves and continue to give.

Any graduate of the 100 Day Programme who feels called to this model can apply to the Training Programme. They will be given feedback by their peers and many given feedback on their more hidden behaviours, which they are asked to look at. Having survived this they are welcomed into the group of dedicated Psychology of Vision Trainers, but this is not the end, even within the programme they are asked to continue their growth and dedicate themselves to a life of learning and giving.

http://povcanada.com/introduction-to-trainers/ (http://povcanada.com/introduction-to-trainers/)

This sounds very expensive and stressful.

Skeptic's Dictionary has a good essay on large group awareness training programs: http://www.skepdic.com/lgsap.html (http://www.skepdic.com/lgsap.html)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on September 04, 2013, 11:24:31 pm
the big problem that first nations are facing with this guy is he has already trained some first nations to be advanced trainers and he's trying to get them to train residential school survivors so they can go go back to their villages to train rss so everyone will "get along"
 the money for these "workshops" will be targeted from funding meant for true accredited residential school survivors healing,because of the deep trauma the residential school survivors suffered, it is a highly specialized field, yet chuck spezanno and his first nations advanced trainers lead people to believe that they're qualified to do so.after 100 days of his workshop days, this is barely over 3 months out of of 4 years of university needed to get a degree,
first nations government money seems to be an easy target for unethical unscrupulous con artists,and there are many variations of the same theme, get the money,and the means justifies the end, get it at all costs, no matter who gets hurt,
how unfortunate for first nations when the day happens when they're are doing this to their own people
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 04, 2013, 11:44:23 pm
the big problem that first nations are facing with this guy is he has already trained some first nations to be advanced trainers and he's trying to get them to train residential school survivors so they can go go back to their villages to train rss so everyone will "get along"
 the money for these "workshops" will be targeted from funding meant for true accredited residential school survivors healing,because of the deep trauma the residential school survivors suffered, it is a highly specialized field, yet chuck spezanno and his first nations advanced trainers lead people to believe that they're qualified to do so.after 100 days of his workshop days, this is barely over 3 months out of of 4 years of university needed to get a degree,
first nations government money seems to be an easy target for unethical unscrupulous con artists,and there are many variations of the same theme, get the money,and the means justifies the end, get it at all costs, no matter who gets hurt,
how unfortunate for first nations when the day happens when they're are doing this to their own people

This is truly sad.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on September 05, 2013, 05:10:55 pm
   It's much worse than sad..
spezzano's "teachings" are probably the most damaging therapy/counseling anyone can give residential school survivors. spezzano is still trying to take full advantage of vulnerable people and take the money the government allotted for their true healing and have it all for himself and his devout followers to spend  on themselves, there is ample proof that this was already done and now spezzano and his gang are doing it again.one of the spezzano slogans is-
STEP UP TO HAVE IT ALL
 one of our first nations ways is to share and help each other,everyone and anyone that needs help, this is one of the common traditions that kept all cultures alive and to survive 10's of thousands of years,up to this day,
  until now,
now we have to watch and protect ourselves from hucksters and frauds,
 some people appear to turned capitalist and commercialized themselves to make money even at the cost of ruining people and their culture
  it is so sad when someone in any tribe has taken these corrupt style of "teachings"and applies it to their own people for profit motivated self gain,power and control are all in the same boat.
 from what i am witnessing with spezzano's participants living his ideas on living a happy life, it all seem to be an extension of colonialism,based on their greedy needs for materialism, and not helping others, unless you're in spezzano's group or whatever other you need to be in to follow spezzano's way to live,spezzano definitely has proventhat his "teachings" splits families and village citizens into them and us that don't belong to his group
this is not detrimental to any first nations culture. the participants seem to lose track of their first nations identity by diluting the traditions by including and following spezzano's "teachings' in the first nations ceremonies.
scary scary, if these groups aren't identified for what they truly are..

what do we teach our children
 
http://povcanada.com/first-nations/



can anyone research and post the outcome of this Cali. superior court case where spezzano is listed as giving false documents under the guise of a licensed psychologist ??
chuck and lency spezzano are alleged to have given false testimony in California Superior court against a man that ended up committing suicide

https://www.google.ca/search?q=kim+berry+%2Csteve+tipaldi+verdict&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb



Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 05, 2013, 09:50:37 pm
California license search http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=LX&p_qte_pgm_code=1800 (http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=LX&p_qte_pgm_code=1800)

Licensee Name:   SPEZZANO CHARLES LEE
License Type:   MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPIST
License Number:   15654
License Status:   CANCELED
Expiration Date:   May 31, 1990
Issue Date:   August 15, 1980
Address:   46-381 HOLOPU PLACE
City:   KANEOHE
State:   HI
Zip:   96744
County:   OUT OF STATE
Actions:   No
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British Columbia http://www.collegeofpsychologists.bc.ca/verify.php (http://www.collegeofpsychologists.bc.ca/verify.php) - don't see him listed there

Some Hawaii court records http://www.courts.state.hi.us/legal_references/records/jims_system_availability.html (http://www.courts.state.hi.us/legal_references/records/jims_system_availability.html) - I'll upload clips of what is in index

California has a Superior Court trial court in each of the 58 counties http://www.courts.ca.gov/find-my-court.htm (http://www.courts.ca.gov/find-my-court.htm) In some cases a search will only work with the case number included.

Could all this be turned over to authorities - such as RCMP, licensing board, attorney? Someone who can run a full background check and collect court records.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on September 05, 2013, 10:25:43 pm
licensing area in psychology Hawaii hopefully are looking into this, perhaps they already have a file going on this group that we don't know about,

http://hawaii.gov/dcca/pvl/boards/psychology/

http://hawaii.gov/dcca/rico/about


   if a little more digging around shows fraud and manipulation to deceive the funders to dole out $$ for this group and its members he P.O.V. organization,and that indeed they're not qualified to fix peoples minds,as they lead people that they are, 
 then maybe the RCMP should know about this group,if it is really bad then perhaps some law enforcement agencies in the U.S.A. should be notified about this "non profit "group. they certainly charge a lot of money to the participants to attend his workshops/seminars, and they never seem to become healed, they have to keep going and paying to "get it".
   being unethical and having hidden agendas isn't unlawful, depending what the hidden agendas are, they could easily become unlawful and harmful to the public,
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on September 08, 2013, 01:01:52 am
 

 fyi-
spezzano's business and fees while in the U.K.
 where this site is listed they say FOR FOOLS NOT YET PARTED WITH THEIR MONEY, and they ask if spezzano woulld forgive them if they didn't pay his fee
         http://www.povevents.com/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/
 
on the web link listed below,spezzano is listed on the board of directors as a global authority on human development, andhis wife lency is listed on the advisory board..

 http://www.zhouenlaipeaceinstitute.org/en/contact/participants/

 here is where spezzano is listed as a $1000/hr "hero of forgiveness" ,private coaching sessions..

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesDailyNews/tabid/65/ID/7330/July-28-2012-News-Read.aspx

here is spezzano getting a" forgiveness award"

http://www.hawaiiforgivenessproject.org/press/Star-Advertiser-July-2012-Three-Heroes.pdf

   is there any information to show if any of the board of directors gave financial donations and what their status is in planning in the Zhou Enlai Peace Institute and the Hawaii Forgiveness Project
  I am wondering if a board of directors member that donated  large sums of $$ cash, could it be that this person bought their way in,
  and if someone was involved in planning and promoting the Hawaii Forgiveness Project and then this person was  given a "hero for forgiveness" award from their own project, what credibility does this award have,
 
and at the very least, could this person in question be using the Zhou Enlai Peace Institute and the Hawaii forgiveness project as a clever disguise for promoting his own spiritual business??

 http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/5317/categoryId/54/Chinese-Communists-Cheer-Formation-of-Zhou-Enlai-Peace-Institute-in-Honolulu.aspx






         




Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 09, 2013, 11:13:18 pm
http://web.archive.org/web/20120312030733/http://www.fnsds.org/files/Conference%202009/Psychology%20Of%20Vision/POVtriangle%202005.pdf (http://web.archive.org/web/20120312030733/http://www.fnsds.org/files/Conference%202009/Psychology%20Of%20Vision/POVtriangle%202005.pdf) Uploaded a copy of this Psychology of Vision Model, all sorts of stuff is in there including shamanism, tantra, "dark gods". Looks like a Nuage mess of Jungian influenced psychobabble.

Lots of videos to watch available through youtube. Lency starts her "download" healing whatever treatment here at about 5:06. She starts sobbing at about 6:17. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAayC9WI6bk#t=50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAayC9WI6bk#t=50)

Lency builds a bliss engine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcOoCtUJ-kI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcOoCtUJ-kI)

I don't see how any of this can be helpful, in fact it looks potentially damaging and crazy making. For instance how can this be helpful for First Nations people recovering from trauma? --->

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Lency Spezzano, co-founder of the Psychology of Vision, teaches 5 day seminars that heal psychological injury and take participants through the self-annihilation process (or slaying of the ego) that leads to enlightenment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1TW8e7_YGg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1TW8e7_YGg)

Why on earth would trauma survivors need a "self-annihilation process"?
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 09, 2013, 11:27:44 pm
Top officers of Zhou Enlai Peace Institute (domestic nonprofit corporation) :

NORTH,MICHAEL     
SPEZZANO,CHARLES     
BUFFETT,MARY     
NORTH,XIAO FANG ZHOU

Spezzano is a director. http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=233694D2&view=officers (http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=233694D2&view=officers)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 09, 2013, 11:50:34 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszvvL-ksZs&list=PL3A0C019D53295DA6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszvvL-ksZs&list=PL3A0C019D53295DA6)

This is Chuck talking about the system he says he's developed. He says he was trained early on in hypnosis. He does lay out his claimed training but without names, dates, or specifics. At 1:59 or so in video he says in the 70s he studied with "psychics and shamans" but he doesn't name any names.

He has numerous videos where he holds forth on sorts of subjects from sex, Iraq, Obama, bailouts, art in schools, unemployment, Tiger Woods etc. etc.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 10, 2013, 01:24:33 am
At 1:59 or so in video he says in the 70s he studied with "psychics and shamans" but he doesn't name any names.

There seems to be a lot of differing info regarding his course(s) of study - here a three versions I found at German-language sites:

http://www.mymedworld.cc/chuckspezzano.html

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Portrait
Chuck Spezzano, PhD, studied psychology, philosophy, and sociology and received a doctorate at International University, San Diego, California in 1977. From 1973 to 1979, he was working as a psychologist at Naval Rehabilitation Center in San Diego. He lead thousands of therapy groups and personal consultations, and developed a system of workshops for rehab treatment of drug addicts. From 1980 to 1991, he worked in marriage, family, and educational counsellation. In 1975, Chuck Spezzano began to do lectures and workshops on many different healing issues. Since 1984, he has developed Psychology of Vision with his wife Lency, a method which both teach in workshops and seminars worldwide. Chuck Spezzano has written numerous books which were translated into many languages.


http://www.robert-betz-shop.de/wenn-alle-menschen-freunde-waeren-p-52188.html

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Chuck Spezzano holds an M.A. In sociology and earned his doctorate in clinical psychology at United States International University, San Diego, California. From 1973 to 1979, he was a psychologist at „United States Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center“ and had considerable success treating war traumata in Vietnam veterans. Subsequently, he worked in marriage and family counselling. In more than 30 years of intense work and research, he developed the groundbreaking therapeutic healing method of „Psychology of Vision“, a combination of classic psychology with spiritual principles. It leads people beyond their psychological conflicts to true creativity and a meaningful life.


Despite the different/additional info provided, this bio is worded exactly like the previous one:

http://www.michaelditsch.de/koerper-psyche/chuck-lency-spezzano.html

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Chuck Spezzano has a B.A. In philosophy and psychology of Duquesne University, an M.A. In sociology, and earned a PhD in clinical psychology from United States International University, San Diego, California. From 1973 to 1979 he was a psychologist at the „United States Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center“ at Miramar Air Station in San Diego and had considerable success treating war traumata of Vietnam veterans. […]
(Text + Foto POV International)


And this is what Spezzano writes on his homepage:

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/ChuckSpezzano.htm

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More Chuck Biography
Chuck Spezzano was born in upstate New York, where his father was finishing his college degree. He grew up in Bristol, Pennsylvania, just above Philadelphia. Seeing the pain in his family and desiring to help people in general, Chuck left for the Holy Ghost Father’s seminary in Cornwell Heights, Pa. Here he spent four years reading, studying, playing sports and making friends.

His next year was spent at Ridgefield, Connecticut at a novitiate, after which he took temporary vows and moved to Bethel Park Collegiate seminary, attending Duquesne University. After three and a half years he found that he no longer felt the calling to be a priest, and so he left the seminary, taking a second major in Psychology as well as Philosophy. He then graduated cum laude from Duquesne University with a Bachelor of Arts, went on for a Master’s Degree in Sociology in an experimental program that included Philosophy and Psychology, while studying Sociology from an ecologic point of view. Duquesne University is the home of existential phenomenology in the U. S., which is where humanistic psychology began.

From there Chuck moved to San Diego and began his doctoral studies at United States International University, one of the few schools in the U. S. for humanistic psychology at the time.

Profoundly disappointed in his doctoral studies, he decided that if he was to get an education, he would need to give it to himself. As a result, he threw himself into his doctoral dissertation, which was looking for a new model of healing based on vision and creativity, rather then just repair. He felt he really gained the experience necessary to make his innovative techniques, methods and models when he began to work at the Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center as a psychologist.

While supervised by psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers, Chuck began to study short term psychotherapies. He developed different techniques and methods to discover accelerated forms of healing, which could deal with the ever growing caseload, and the diminishing time in which to help.

It was during this time that he began discovering deep healing principles in the mind that were not written about in psychological literature. This is when Chuck also attended his first program seminar call Lifespring. Having conducted hundreds of therapy groups and individual sessions at the Rehab Center, Chuck began designing seminars that included the process principle of therapeutic group works with the power of therapeutic exercises of seminars. Chuck also became part of a team at the Rehab Center teaching military personnel to become paraprofessional counselors in an effort to combat drug abuse and to help drug abusers. It was during this time that he graduated with his Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology.

In fall 1979 he left his job with the Navy and began private practice as a Marriage, Family and Child Counselor, while volunteering time as a trainer with ARAS, a workshop company with spiritual dimensions. It was also during this time that he worked more fully on his research with “the triangle model,” the psycho-spiritual steps of evolution we go through as an individuals, relationships, companies or countries. In 1982 Chuck opened his office in Orange County after moving to Laguna Beach, California. In 1982 and 1983 he also taught at the Tubb Wholestic Health Institute in Southern California, before moving to Hawaii.

While working with the Navy, one of his colleagues told him about A Course in Miracles. As Chuck began to read the Course’s workbook and text, he found most of the healing principles he thought he had personally discovered written about in A Course in Miracles. He then found many more principles there that he had not discovered, that he could corroborate and use in his healing work. To this day, A Course in Miracles remains a source point of inspiration and guidance. [...]

One cannot quite say that after reading those four versions of his biography, the question where he earned which minors, majors, etc becomes much clearer.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 10, 2013, 02:42:26 am
Great work Ingeborg!

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studied psychology, philosophy, and sociology and received a doctorate at International University, San Diego, California in 1977
- this isn't clear what he got his doctorate in at all, implied is that it is in one of those 3 subjects, but it might not be

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began his doctoral studies at United States International University, one of the few schools in the U. S. for humanistic psychology at the time.

Profoundly disappointed in his doctoral studies, he decided that if he was to get an education, he would need to give it to himself. As a result, he threw himself into his doctoral dissertation, which was looking for a new model of healing based on vision and creativity, rather then just repair. He felt he really gained the experience necessary to make his innovative techniques ..
- in this version, he doesn't clearly state what his doctorate is in, he implies psychology but doesn't outright say that

The other two bios:

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earned a PhD in clinical psychology from United States International University, San Diego

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earned his doctorate in clinical psychology at United States International University, San Diego

As for what he then says he worked as, all would depend on what USA state he was in and at what time, in terms of what the requirements were. In the late 70s & early 80s he may well have been able to work at particular jobs in the psychology field with only a related A.A. , B.A. degree or even work experience, requirements are much higher now.

I wonder if he actually earned a PhD in Psychology.

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The words that love made--a poetic phenomenology of the poet's experience of being a poet
Author:    Charles Lee Spezzano
Publisher:    1977.
Dissertation:    Thesis (Ph. D.)--United States International University, 1977.
Edition/Format:     Thesis/dissertation : Thesis/dissertation : Manuscript  Archival Material : English

Subjects
    Poetry.
    Phenomenology.
    Poets.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/words-that-love-made-a-poetic-phenomenology-of-the-poets-experience-of-being-a-poet/oclc/18900196&referer=brief_results (http://www.worldcat.org/title/words-that-love-made-a-poetic-phenomenology-of-the-poets-experience-of-being-a-poet/oclc/18900196&referer=brief_results)

More evidence that he is Charles Lee Spezzano:

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CHARLES LEE SPEZZANO, ALSO KNOWN AS CHUCK SPEZZANO

47-416 Waihee Place

96744 Kaneohe

UNITED STATES
CHARLES LEE SPEZZANO, ALSO KNOWN AS CHUCK SPEZZANO owns 1 trademark (registered or pending) in the European Union trademark database (CTM)
Sort: Alphabetic | Recency
PSYCHOLOGY OF VISION
Market: EUROPE
Class: 9 16 41
Type: Word mark
Number: 000078725
Filing date: April 1, 1996
Status: Live
http://trademark.markify.com/trademark-owner/ctm/charles+lee+spezzano,+also+known+as+chuck+spezzano/1192 (http://trademark.markify.com/trademark-owner/ctm/charles+lee+spezzano,+also+known+as+chuck+spezzano/1192)

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 10, 2013, 03:09:57 am
Another clip from Ingeborg's post earlier in thread, from Spezzano's bio:

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It was during this time that he began discovering deep healing principles in the mind that were not written about in psychological literature. This is when Chuck also attended his first program seminar call Lifespring. Having conducted hundreds of therapy groups and individual sessions at the Rehab Center, Chuck began designing seminars that included the process principle of therapeutic group works with the power of therapeutic exercises of seminars.

He says he took a Lifespring seminar, wonder if he took just one or if he got more involved in the group. Lifespring was a high demand large group training scam, like Est, Landmark, and other type scams.

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One thing all these organizations seem to have in common is that members are expected to "enroll" more people for their trainings/weekends. In other words, graduates were expected to be recruiters. They had you believing you were doing something worthy for their cause, so to speak.


http://www.culteducation.com/reference/lifespring/lifespring2.html (http://www.culteducation.com/reference/lifespring/lifespring2.html)

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More than a year after the tragedy, Waco is still on my mind, for I, too, once gave my life over to a cult.

But my story does not involve the Branch Davidians, or any other religious group that isolates itself in a compound. My experience was with a cult that arms itself not with rifles but with psychological manipulation. A cult called Lifespring.

Ten years ago my husband and I, 32 and 30 years old, enrolled in a course, hoping to improve our marriage. What started out as a weekend workshop grew into a five-month odyssey that ripped apart our family.
http://www.culteducation.com/reference/lifespring/lifespring3.html (http://www.culteducation.com/reference/lifespring/lifespring3.html)

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At least 30 lawsuits sought to hold Lifespring responsible for participants' deaths or their mental damages. The company paid to settle some of the suits before trial and in other cases lost jury decisions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifespring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifespring)

Lifespring: Getting Yourself From Where You Are To Where You Want To Be http://www.lifespring-book.com/ (http://www.lifespring-book.com/)

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 10, 2013, 02:54:26 pm

I compared the English and German versions of the text on First Nations on the Power of Vision website:

http://povcanada.com/first-nations/

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First Nations in Canada
First Nations are the first peoples of Canada, and are made up of over 200 culturally autonomous First Nations with individual languages and traditions. Some of these First Nations groups have been decimated by colonization and nearly all First Nations people have been impacted by the Residential School policy that separated First Nations children from their families and cultures throughout the last century.

German version: First nations are Canada's aboriginals. These are about 200 ethnic tribes which are very different culturally. Every tribe has its own language and tradition.
Some tribes still today are largely decimated by former colonisation, and all tribes have been heavily impacted by the Residential Schools in which almost two generations of their children grew up, having been snatched away from their families and natives culture.


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First Nations & Psychology of Vision
About 10 years ago Chuck & Lency were inspired to work more closely with First Nations people. The POV Healing Model has been graciously welcomed in many First Nation communities, as it aligns with many First Nations belief systems. Psychology of Vision is dedicated to awakening the giftedness of indigenous peoples on the planet.

German version: In 1991, Lency & Chuck Spezzano felt inspired to increasingly work with First Nations. Since then, they are offering at least once a year a free workshop and one apprenticeship for the First Nations in Canada. The PoV healing model was accepted gratefully by the First Nations, as it can be integrated well into their own belief system.


That PoV can be integrated or aligns with indigenous belief systems is a claim for which no evidence is being offered. Apart from that, both the English and German version say "belief system", singular, conveniently ignoring the diversity of indigenous religions.

It is in fact interesting that possibilities of free workshops and apprenticeships are not mentioned in the English version. The German version also makes use of a racist imagery – that of the natives, knowing their place, of course being grateful for what is offered to them: we boss, you dirtrag – and you'd better show the proper gratefulness. Yeccchhh.

The claim of "Psychology of Vision is dedicated to awakening the giftedness of indigenous peoples on the planet" is similarly arrogant and racist, and rather implies the notion that, during the past several tenthousands of years, this giftedness lay dormant. 


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The First Nations Fund
The First Nations Fund was created to support the healing of First Nations so they can teach & inspire their own communities. Financial contributions have been generously donated from each country where Psychology of Vision is taught around the world. Since its inception the First Nations Fund has successfully graduated 19 First Nations people from the 100 day program, and 9 of these graduates have become FN Trainers around BC.

The First Nations Fund is administered by Susan How at the Psychology of Vision Canada office on a volunteer basis.

German version: The First Nations Fund came into being for coping with the numerous problems within the different ethnic tribes. Up to now, 25 First Nations absolved the 100 day program and at this point in time, there are 5 First Nations PoV trainers who introduce their knowledge in various regions and reservations. (Last sentence omitted in German version)


Please note the different figures given for persons having done the 100 day program (19 / 25) and becoming FN trainers (9 / 5).
On the other hand, a mere 19 or even 25 graduates in now 23 years (cf above: "In 1991, Lency & Chuck Spezzano felt inspired to increasingly work with First Nations") is nothing to write home about and does not exactly speak of an overwhelming success among Canadian First Nations.

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First Nations Fund Application
Applications for the First Nations to subsidize accommodation expenses are on an “as-needs basis” for the upcoming June 2012 Apprenticeship. The funding application deadline is April 30, 2012, applications made after this date may not be considered. Contact susan@povcanada.com for more information.

German version:
Generous financial support has gone into the Fund from all parts of the world in which PoV is being taught. This enables First Nations participation in seminars and support of travel expenses and accomodation during the trainings.

The First Nation Fund is also supported by the First Nations themselves. In every year, there is an auction during the Canadian Apprenticeship, during which donated artworks of indigenous artists are being auctioned according to the interests of the Fund.


Again, the English text does not mention any funding going into course fees while the German version does. This may be a possibility to generate (more) donations while it will be impossible for donours to know whether their monies are being spent accordingly.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 01:41:16 am
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Our First Nations Trainers are trained in The Psychology of Vision ®(POV) healing model which has proven effective in many cultures around the world from England, Germany, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, Taiwan, Canada and Africa.. The three major focuses of the model are relationship, leadership through accountability and finally non-denominational spirituality.

In 1991, Dr. Chuck Spezzano and his wife, Lency, who developed this transformational healing model,responded to requests from First Nations’ communities in British Columbia to donate their time and expertise to begin healing this painful Legacy. Since then they have presented one to two workshops a year in kind, organized by several BC First Nations communities like Haida Gwaii, Gitxsan Territory, Tsleil Waututh Nation and Willaims Lake. To date there are now dozens of First Nations here in British Columbia who have received the benefit of this training and now
are fully qualified in using this healing model to now support and empower our people, thus the focus of this mandate to send out a qualified FN Healing team to further the healing on the ground in our communities.

http://www.fnsds.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf (http://www.fnsds.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf)

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 01:55:25 am

Again, the English text does not mention any funding going into course fees while the German version does. This may be a possibility to generate (more) donations while it will be impossible for donours to know whether their monies are being spent accordingly.

So they could be raising money from donors in Germany and elsewhere, donors who think they are helping out "those poor aboriginals". While also getting grant money and workshop fees. Plus fees for all the "training". Everyone trained is going to feel the need to spread the word, recoup their investment of time and energy. Plus these large group trainings are abusive, people are traumatized and weirded out by them, they will tend to blame themselves and think they just need to do more trainings. More workshops and seminars. And that they need to go out and do this to other people.

"Psychology of Vision healing model" sounds scientific, hey it even has the word Psychology in there! But it isn't scientific, and it isn't sound psychology.

The Spezzanos made this all up themselves, based on other large group trainings and general Nuage psychobabble. Doesn't look they are licensed in the field of psychology currently, since they aren't licensed and they aren't working in a healthy manner in the actual legit field of psychology - they aren't as many checks and balances, no one directly to hold them accountable.

By calling themselves trainers and coaches, by claiming that this all is spiritual enlightenment they want to pass on, they are side stepping ethical boundaries. They really can do most anything in these trainings and then explain most any negative results away.

I believe they are scam artists that are after $.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 02:14:35 am
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AGHUDANG - RESPECT
Physcology of Vision - 5 day Workshop
September 30, October 2-4
10:00am - 6pm (estimated end time)

ERIC GONZALEZ INTENSIVE
October 16-18

This is an example of what one community is going through, they are having a Psychology of Vision 5 day workshop, and then a few weeks later an Erick Gonzalez Intensive.

Info on Erick Gonzalez http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.0)
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.msg32107#msg32107 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.msg32107#msg32107)

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 03:06:48 am
So far haven't seen Chuck Spezzano claiming any NDN heritage, but just in case, here is his mother's obit: http://www.madduxfuquahinton.com/obituaries/Ruby-Katherine-Kane1721460222/#!/Obituary (http://www.madduxfuquahinton.com/obituaries/Ruby-Katherine-Kane1721460222/#!/Obituary)


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 03:48:57 am
A critique of a Psychology of Vision ad and web site, by a psychologist (comments worth reading also):

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Nowhere on the site was there anything to do with what I, or any other actual psychologist, would understand as the psychology of vision.  Instead, they talk about how your life will be improved, how the community is loving, and how it’s based on the principles of Relationships, Leadership and Spirituality.  I don’t know about you, but that sounds kind of cultish to me!

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Lency’s bio is even better: “Lency is pioneering Psychology of Vision’s mystical path through her joining method, which utilizes the feminine, direct access to divine love, resulting in the release of emotional pain from the body/mind and the experience of miracles of forgiveness and grace.” That’s a masterful load of crap if I’ve ever read one.

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The point is, neither of these people have anything whatsoever to do with the actual psychology of vision, and the whole website appears to be designed to funnel money into the Spezzano’s bank accounts using cleverly dressed up tarot cards and crappy seminars.  I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there was a touch of pyramid scheme to the whole deal, given that they train people to be trainers (the seminar in Vancouver is being put on by some local named Kiara Fine) and harp on about community and leadership.  When the trappings of real science and research are appropriated for this kind of purpose, it further obscures to the public what science is actually about and also bilks people out of their money- and that really riles me.

http://robteszka.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/bad-ads-psychology-of-vision-and-light-healing-therapy/ (http://robteszka.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/bad-ads-psychology-of-vision-and-light-healing-therapy/)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Odelle on September 11, 2013, 04:03:26 am
I was really surprised by the Zhou Enlai Peace Institute connection, so I checked out stuff from that angle:

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/5317/Chinese-Communists-Cheer-Formation-of-Zhou-Enlai-Peace-Institute-in-Honolulu.aspx


Zhou Enlai was the Premier of China under Mao Zedong. The institute is run by Xiao Fang Zhou, Zhou Enlai's niece, and her American husband Robert North. They have managed to get Henry Kissinger to say something nice about the Institute in public once (not surprising, since Kissinger's most celebrated moment was meeting with Xiao Fang's uncle and Mao). This sounds like one of those institutes that people with Chinese government connections have been opening in the US in recent years. They usually have vague mission statements like "bridge harmony between China and America!" Or, "bring together Chinese and American elderly!", and are fronts for business, used to host lavish events in which, say, Chinese government officials are introduced to American start up companies wanting to do business in China.  The people opening them also tend to get a bit of material benefits out of the deal.

What's especially creepy about Robert North, Xiao Fang Zhou and this particular institute, though, is that they seem pretty closely connected to Spezzano and his family. Check out Xiao Fang Zhou's FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/xiaofang.north

It's possible the Norths are victims of Spezzano. But it's also possible that he is using the Zhou Enlai Peace Institute for money and access to other students with the Norths' consent. Either way, it's just really bizarre.


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 02:10:51 pm
The Zhou Enlai Peace Institute says it is an initiative of the American - China Bridge - A Bridge of Peace Between Two Great Nations http://americachinabridge.com/en/who/ (http://americachinabridge.com/en/who/) Chuck on board of directors, Lency on board of advisors.

Scroll down to bottom of page and they even have photo and bio of of their legal counsel.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 11, 2013, 04:10:19 pm

I found another entry in a public portal where someone posted the question whether PoV was a cult; the thread starter was concerned about a friend who had got into this. Apart from the usual sockpuppet answers, there are two remarkable ones:

http://www.gutefrage.net/frage/ist-psychology-of-vision-eine-sekte

reply by voinvoin dd 14/08/2012

They definitely are a cult! A psycho-cult to be precise! They are using particular psycho techniques to make people dependent. First of all this is not about problem solving, but to detect persons' „weak spots“ in order to „catch“ them as fast as possible and offer the appropriate „healing method“ (of course this will cost money, e.g. € 100 for a Saturday seminar). For persons who happen to be in a difficult phase in their life, or experience a separation from their partner, problems in the family and so on, or for persons simply open and instable, this organisation is particularly dangerous! I wouldn't recommend anyone to get into contact with these vendors of „heavon on earth“.


Reply by annemk dd 13/02/2010

I disapprove of this outfit, particularly as I am a graduated psychologist myself. I know some persons who are members of this religious community (and I think this is what they are) and have heard their experience. PoV do not apply psychological or psychotherapeutic methods. Therefore, the name in itself is misleading. The practices applied there are all not approved scientifically (i.e. a serious professional does NOT apply them). Family constellation does not solve any problems, but simply visualises structures of a particular point in time. To try and solve problems via place holders is similarly nonsensical, as the person impersonated by a place holder is not able to change, and therefore the problem cannot be relieved. I don't know what these people believe. And I am outraged the name of my discipline is abused for this. Talking to a helpline will be more helpful, although I can imagine that participants will feel better for a short time after having taken a seminar. In the same way as every common experience will make one feel better (concert, protest march), this is a simple principle of the psychology of masses. Dear readers, stay away from this. These people are crafty charlatans.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 11, 2013, 05:05:01 pm

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Plus these large group trainings are abusive, people are traumatized and weirded out by them, they will tend to blame themselves and think they just need to do more trainings. More workshops and seminars. And that they need to go out and do this to other people.

Quite right. The notion that it is the individual who is to blame is brought forward in their principles. Again, this is something not published in all sections – only the sections „USA“ and „Mainland Europe“ (which is restricted to the German-speaking areas Austria, Switzerland, Germany) publish these principles:

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/about/principles-of-pov/

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1) Whenever there is a problem or conflict, there has to be a better way. Even in the most difficult of situations, there is always a solution that would allow everyone to win. Love, joining, forgiveness, communication, cooperation, and choice will lead us through.
2) The world is our mirror. Anything we do to others we do to ourselves first. We can only accuse others of something that we believe we ourselves are doing. We make our own reality and write our own stories. Conflicts with others reflect conflicts within ourselves. By resolving our inner issues, we automatically resolve the problems in our world.
3) Anything that happens to us serves our purpose. When painful events occur, we typically have hidden the awareness of the purpose of the events from ourselves. Through accountability, we gain the power to make another choice, and to change what we do not like in our world.
4) No one can do anything to us that we are not already doing to ourselves. No one can do anything to us that we are not also, at some level, doing to others.
5) As we change our beliefs, we change our patterns. Our direction in life comes from our attitude, which is the result of our continuous choices toward the same end.
6) We are always in the perfect place to learn the lesson we most need to learn in order to heal and grow. Our most painful experiences, once they are healed, become the greatest gifts to ourselves and to others.
7) We construct either heaven or hell on earth, depending on what we give to our relationships. They are the means to create transformation. To bond with others and heal relationships creates an accelerated path of growth, because healing the distance between ourselves and those around us heals problems.
8) Leadership lets nothing be more important than answering the calls for help around us. As we recognize that our best interests and the best interests of others are always the same, we move ourselves forward also. To have true success, everyone’s interests must be served. If anyone is the “bad guy,” everyone loses. It is essential to keep communicating until everyone wins.
9) Problems are opportunities to heal the pain of the past, disguised as the pain of the present. All healing is part of our general purpose; it leads us towards our personal purpose. It is never too late to have a happy childhood. This recognizes that all pain is a misunderstanding. As problems are solved, understanding is brought to past and present circumstances, and our history and our future change for the better.
10) The key to our fulfillment is to live our purpose. Embracing our destiny is the best gift we can give the world. Our personal destiny and purpose is to help the world in some way unique to us.
11) All manner of pain and suffering are washed away by love, when empathic “joining” between two or more people occurs. By transcending personal barriers we can become “one” with others, and experience the higher states of consciousness in which pain can no longer exist.
12) Relationships are the fundamental building blocks of life. Given that relationships are the fundamental building blocks of life, it would also hold that the path of relationships is an evolutionary path. From this it would also hold that every problem is a relationship problem at some root level.
13) We are on an evolutionary path to realize that we are Spirit, on the way to Oneness. Receiving grace and miracles is the easiest way to move toward that aim.
14) Whatever our circumstances, however we see things, the answer always lies in healing. It is what we have come for.


Part of these principles are banalities and platitudes (e.g. „There has to be a better way“). Others are devised to put the blame, either for success or for failure, to the individual person.

The principles also put an enormous emphasis on the individual, making it more or less the centre of its universe: e.g. in „the world is our mirror“, „we are always in the perfect place“, „we construct either heaven or hell on earth“. At the same time, some of these principles may easily create double-bind situations: If I am always in the perfect place, then why is my life such a mess, why is this or that happening to me? Correct answer: The only one to blame for any mess happening is – me.

Given the vast concentration on the individual and their ego, this is in sharp contrast to indigenous world views, as far as I know. So the claim of PoV integrating into indigenous belief systems is a sales argument. It is not primarily devised to draw an indigenous clientele, but to appeal to a Euro clientele: in taking these courses, we learn something which is similar to „Indian religion“.

Principles like no 3, „Anything that happens to us serves our purpose“, on the other hand is quite handy in case people do not get rid of problems, and this one serves to reinforce the individual's fault.

No 4, „No one can do anything to us that we are not already doing to ourselves“, again is a platitude, and it is dead wrong. The further explanation takes quite a different turn in claiming „No one can do to us that we are not also … doing to others“. Once more, the fault is with the individual and no one else.

Mixing in the issue of „leadership“ is probably nothing more but dangling the carrot in front of the donkey's nose: If you take these seminars, you will become a leader. The further explanation contends that „our best interests and the best interests of others are always the same“. Nope. It is my best interest to buy a decent used car for little money – while the car dealer's is interested in sending me off with a piece of junk I paid a fortune for. And this is just one example.

Pain and suffering are washed away by love and this stuff about a higher state of consciousness in which pain can no longer exist: Again the effort is with the individual. Do they feel enough love and forgiveness and advance to a higher state, or don't they – for which they will once more be held responsible (book another seminar).

Apart from all this, nothing in the principles reveals any psychological or psychotherapist method. On the other hand, they repeat one of the basic Nuage notions of the individual being responsible for their own advancement, and being the masters of their own fate. If there's anything they don't like, it's their own fault. This either puts an individual under an enormous stress of accepting everything and smiling happily at the same time, or feel like sh!t and book another seminar.

Subjecting survivors of mental, physical, or sexual harassment and violence to these principles is unethical and once more abusive. The principles will only tell them what happened effin served them right, and now forgive and smile, you're in the best of all possible worlds, and this world is of your own making and others only do to you what you bin doing to them yourself. Yecccchhh. Employing such principles on RS survivors is not going to improve their situation, it will rather endanger their health, thus not reducing problems for their communities, but multiplying and reinforcing problems.




Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 11, 2013, 08:44:23 pm
In UK - Ireland they are VisionWorks for Life http://visionworksforlife.com/ (http://visionworksforlife.com/)

In Japan Vision Dynamics Institute http://www.povj.jp/ (http://www.povj.jp/)

Uploaded here is a copy of their Trainer Application 2014. Applicants have to graduate from the 100 day program, teach a program, be in another program, pay a mentor a monthly fee, and be "able to maintain and pass on Miracles easily".

To graduate from the 100 day program: 3 apprenticeships, at least 1 in Hawaii. An apprenticeship is at least 20 days. A workshop day = 6 full hours. Plus other stuff. So looks like 100 day program = at least 600 hours (not including lunch and breaks) and coaching session time does not help with that total.

Also uploaded a copy of their trainer manual.

Lency Spezzano does a lot of arm waving, especially when she talks about "downloading".  Chuck says he has training in hypnosis, don't know if Lency does, but that is basically what she is doing. She is directing, dominating the session, pretending she is translating what the other person is saying which means Lency does most of the talking. She's in charge, this is her performance. She holds their hands and stares at them until they shake and cry. This is so boundary violating. So unethical. This has nothing to do with healing. This has everything to do with targeting vulnerable people and mesmerizing them into forking over more money and time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY)

The Spezzanos are acting like classic rainmaker con artists. A classic scam: A town experiencing drought is visited by charismatic con artists who claim they can make rain, they swindle everyone out of their money, and claim any coincidental success as their own and any failure is blamed on their targets.

The Spezzanos claiming they know what is best for First Nation communities is horrible.


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 12, 2013, 05:04:54 pm

Clinical vs Counselation Psychology

Spezzano sometimes is described as a „clinical psychologist“, while others claim he studied „counselling psychology“:

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/ChuckSpezzano.htm
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Chuck has a B.A. in Philosophy and Psychology from Duquesne University followed by a Masters in Sociology and a Ph.D. in Counselling Psychology from the United States International University. His professional background is in Counselling Psychology, Family Therapy, Short Term Crisis Intervention and Marriage, Family, and Child Counselling. He also worked as a psychologist at the Naval Rehabilitation Centre at the Miramar Air Station in San Diego , California , conducting thousands of therapy groups and individual sessions.

Same site, section „More Chuck biography“

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His next year was spent at Ridgefield, Connecticut at a novitiate, after which he took temporary vows and moved to Bethel Park Collegiate seminary, attending Duquesne University. After three and a half years he found that he no longer felt the calling to be a priest, and so he left the seminary, taking a second major in Psychology as well as Philosophy. He then graduated cum laude from Duquesne University with a Bachelor of Arts, went on for a Master’s Degree in Sociology in an experimental program that included Philosophy and Psychology, while studying Sociology from an ecologic point of view. Duquesne University is the home of existential phenomenology in the U. S., which is where humanistic psychology began.

Chuck also became part of a team at the Rehab Center teaching military personnel to become paraprofessional counselors in an effort to combat drug abuse and to help drug abusers. It was during this time that he graduated with his Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology.

http://www.mymedworld.cc/chuckspezzano.html

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From 1980 to 1991, he worked in marriage, family, and educational counsellation.

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencySpezzano.htm
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Lency received her BSc (Honours) and MSc degrees in Rehabilitation Counselling in 1975 and 1976 from the University of Arizona. She has designed and administered numerous rehabilitation agencies, training programs and treatment facilities, including the Hawaii Centre for the Deaf and HUGS for Hawaii's seriously ill children and their families.

There are several German websites mentioning a doctorate or degree in clinical psychology:

http://www.robert-betz-shop.de/wenn-alle-menschen-freunde-waeren-p-52188.html

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Chuck Spezzano holds an M.A. In sociology and earned his doctorate in clinical psychology at United States International University, San Diego, California. From 1973 to 1979, he was a psychologist at „United States Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center“ and had considerable success treating war traumata in Vietnam veterans. Subsequently, he worked in marriage and family counselling

http://www.michaelditsch.de/koerper-psyche/chuck-lency-spezzano.html

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Chuck Spezzano has a B.A. In philosophy and psychology of Duquesne University, an M.A. In sociology, and earned a PhD in clinical psychology from United States International University, San Diego, California. From 1973 to 1979 he was a psychologist at the „United States Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center“ at Miramar Air Station in San Diego and had considerable success treating war traumata of Vietnam veterans.

http://www.frankfurter-ring.de/index.php?id=112
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Chuck Spezzano, Ph. D.
clinical psychologist and visionary, consultant and bestseller autor.
Chuck and his wife Lency are the founders of the Psychology of Vision POV, a transpersonal model of healing that employs cutting edge psychological tools and methodology, and wields the miracle power of grace. POV centers around three core elements: relationships, leadership (answering the calls for help) and nondenominational spiritual development.

Lency Spezzano, M. S.
Relationship therapist and author.
She has created and evolved the Joining method, which uses grace to release participants from their inner suffering, connect them with the divine, and carry them into spiritual awakening.


While one might put this down to German Nuagers not knowing too much English, the same claim is also made in the author's portrait with his German publishers. Spezzano has been published by several companies owned by Random House which in turn is owned by Bertelsmann Group (Heyne, Goldmann, Riemann, Kamphausen, Integral).
The eldest available book at Amazon.de I found for one of the Random House companies was published in 2002.

http://www.randomhouse.de/Autor/Chuck_Spezzano/p105313.rhd?pub=8000

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Chuck Spezzano has a master in sociology and earned a doctorate in clinical psychology at United States International University, San Diego, California. Between 1973 and 1979 he worked at „United States Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center“ as a psychologist and had considerable success treating war traumata of Vietnam war veterans. Afterwards, he worked in the field of marriage and family counselling.

A British student of Spezzano's POV – and practitioner of Neuro-Linguistic Programming claiming to have cured her brain tumour with these techniques – also repeats the claim of Spezzano being a clinical psychologist:

Arielle Essex: Compassionate Coaching: How to Heal Your Life and Make Miracles Happen, June 2004

page 9

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Clinical psychologist, Dr Chuck Spezzano and his wife Lency Spezzano inspired me so much with their specialist work on relationships that I became one of their advanced trainers and studied with them for ten years.“


Perhaps there were - errm: a few problems due to him claiming to be a clinical psychologist, so bios have largely (but not all) been updated.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 12, 2013, 07:29:33 pm
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It’s important to note the techniques in play here. Notice how Lency leads, and adopts the physical posture first. She begins the shaking, holding her face in a kind of rictus. As someone who is the centre of control, the power dynamics here matter: she is the leader of this group of about 30 people (I’m estimating from the video). For the seminars that these folk put on, the participants have likely paid a pretty penny just to be there.

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This is, at best, an unintentional scam, where Chuck and Lency Spezzano are making large sums of money of something that just happens to have no connection to reality at all. I, however, don’t think that this is unintentional. The thing is, when you believe your own bullshit, you put your money where your mouth is. The Spezzano’s are, I think, quite happy to simply accept the money of others rather than actually substantiate their claims.

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These victims (and they are victims) have done nothing less than any else would do, if we were set up with false beliefs and led down this path. The person at fault here is certainly not the victim: it is the scam artist who takes the money, who sets people up to fail, and then says that any failure is on you, and not them. This is a combination of scapegoating (the scam-artist deflects the blame for the failure of their system onto someone else) and victim-blaming (the “someone else” is the person they scammed).

All in all, I think the world would be a better place if the Spezzano’s were involved in some kind of legitimate practice, but so long as people are prepared to believe that they’re getting a good deal if someone pulls faces at them for $400, they’re going to keep making money.

Above quotes from Taking Advantage of Seeking a Better Life http://brilyn.net/taking-advantage-of-seeking-a-better-life/#more-7200 (http://brilyn.net/taking-advantage-of-seeking-a-better-life/#more-7200)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on September 12, 2013, 10:15:46 pm
I am really baffled by something.  How could Mr. Spezzano get a Ph.D from an university which apparently does not give out Ph.D.'s?  http://www.usiu.ac.ke/index.php?page=108

I realize that 36 years have elapsed since he supposedly received his Ph.D. in 1977, but it does seem strange to me that an organization that at one time gave out Ph.D.s now would only offer bachelors and masters degrees.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 12, 2013, 10:26:24 pm

So there are courses free of charge for First Nations? Well, guess what I just found....
This is a Newsletter from November 2012 of the Adams Lake Band of the Secwepemc Nation in British Columbia:

http://www.adamslakeband.org/sites/default/files/Nov_8_12_News_Weekly.pdf.

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The Path ofSpirit
With Susan How
November 17, 18th, 2012
At Adams Lake Recreation & Conference Centre Chase, BC

The Path of Spirit workshop will be a reminder
that you are ultimately spirit -a child of God.
When you have the realization that you are
spirit you realize that the only thing that can
stop you is you. As spirit you abandon the ego
and know yourself as forever blessed.
This workshop will be about embracing spirit as
your path to seeing how your life unfolds in
the most positive way.

Susan How is a Level II Psychology of Vision Trainer.

She has been actively involved with Chuck and Lency Spezzano and their Psychology of
Vision model since the early 80s. Over the years Susan has developed her natural gifts of empathy,
intuition, compassion, and humour and she brings these gifts to her workshops. Susan's gentle
approach to healing creates a safe atmosphere in which people can blossom.

The Psychology of Vision is a visionary healing model developed by Chuck and Lency. It offers a
practical system based on love and healing that maps the challenges we face in different stages of
our lives, and provides solutions needed to get through them. It is being taught worldwide in 13
countries including First Nations Communities in Canada.

For more information on Psychology of Vision and Chuck and Lency Spezzano go to
www.psychologyofvision.com and www,chuckandlencyspezzano. com

Registration at 9:30am Saturday morning
Workshop starts at "• 10am - 5pm daily

Registration: $150.00 per person or $250.00 for 'couples'
Cheques made payable to "Kelmuc Circle of Friendship Society"
<**Lunches provided to participants each day (notify IF any food allergies by the 12th)***
***Please bring your own water bottles as water will be available on site.***

Apparently, the Secwepemc Nation is quite being targeted by charlatans and quacks – the newsletter carries further ads:

a) By one Michael Duhaime selling „Transformational and Esoteric Acupuncture“ for $ 60 per appointment with these claims:
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It has long been useful to change one's experience of pain and discomfort into easier and healthier states of being. What is maybe less well understood is that chronic conditions are rooted in the subconscious realms of one's being. Whether it be insomnia, digestion difficulties, emotional or physical pain, menstrual difficulties, headaches, migraines, relationship difficulties, or whatever other physical presentation of disharmony, the more one resists the message from the subconscious, the longer and more complex the symptoms as the situation becomes chronic.

While Duhaime quite correctly says „esoteric“, his claims include treatment of severe disease and conditions. There is also a small print paragraph – and surprise!:

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Michel completed his diploma in Traditional Chinese Medicine in 2000, acquiring a set of medical skills that have since been complemented with other studies in Western herbal medicine, Shiatsu, Ki Aikido, Emotional Freedom Technique, Psychology of Vision, and esoteric and transformational acupuncture.
His current practice focuses on the exploration of the mind body spirit conti-nuum,
specifically addressing chronic pain and illness as opening windows into the deeper
realms of the subconscious mind.

b For a two-day seminar on „Child Trauma & Attachment“ at $ 300 per person for early registrants, regular fee $ 400

and c) one Oonna Cameron selling Reiki sessions with no price tag provided in the ad.

At the same time, the newsletter announces events scheduled for swapping used clothes and household items, a xmas donation draw, and a guide to Household Recycling – and this:

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Just Got Paid and I Don't Have Any Money Left

Community Futures, budget specialist, Dale Tomma (LSIB member) will be at ALIB in November to do one on one budgeting sessions with interested community members; she will share creative ideas with you so that there is money left at the end of the month. Each session will be no more than half an hour


The latest Newsletter dd Sep 12, 2013 carries another POV ad for a „Step to Leadership“ program consisting of 30 modules.

Step to Leadership programm (STL) consisting of 30 modules
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Registration fee is $ 2,000 per person
registration includes books, the 1 day workshop, the 2 day workshop and registration fee for the 3 day workshop
Registration is to be paid in full prior to the beginning of the program.
Payments are to be made to M Joyce Manuel, 5680 THC, Chase, BC V03 1M3

The two-day workshop is done by „susan“ (pres. Susan How), the three-day ws by „chuck“.

Can. $ 2,000 = € 1,456.35 EUR  , US$ 1,933.59 USD

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What participants will receive through this program?
The conscious, subconscious and unconscious aspects of our minds
Clear explanations, exercises, guided visualizations, videotapes and audiotapes
Examine the dynamics of your life in a safe and supportive environment
Discover your power to step beyond being a victim or a victimizer
Find practical ways to inspire your friends and family, and be a leader in the world

There are some red flags in these claims. If you are promised „clear explanations“, this usually indicates a black-and-white view of the world is being taught, we vs them. „Guided“ visualisations can also be a means to ensure participants have exactly those insights they are supposed to have. The text also equals victims to victimizers – for persons having suffered from being victimized, this will be hard stuff. Participants are also expected to „inspire“ family and friends, in other words: draw more participants.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Ingeborg on September 12, 2013, 10:29:59 pm
I am really baffled by something.  How could Mr. Spezzano get a Ph.D from an university which apparently does not give out Ph.D.'s?  http://www.usiu.ac.ke/index.php?page=108

Because that's a different university:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliant_International_University

http://www.alliant.edu/asm/about-asm/history-mission-asm.php

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on September 12, 2013, 10:42:54 pm
I am really baffled by something.  How could Mr. Spezzano get a Ph.D from an university which apparently does not give out Ph.D.'s?  http://www.usiu.ac.ke/index.php?page=108

Because that's a different university:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliant_International_University

http://www.alliant.edu/asm/about-asm/history-mission-asm.php

Ah!  Thanks, Ingeborg
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 12, 2013, 11:46:41 pm
The main organization contact for the Hawaii Forgiveness Project is Michael North. Spezzano is also active in this.

Michael North and Spezzano are also leads in the Zhou Enlai Peace Institute.

Michael North states on his LinkedIn page that he was advisor to Spezzano's business Psychology of Vision UK 2004 – 2010 http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelnorth (http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelnorth)

Spezzano, along with Michael North, and Mary Buffett do events in China for Chinese investors, I included a clip here of a translated 2010 event page. The workshop is described as "Principles of Chinese philosophy and tradition" as applied to modern financial investments.



http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Chuck_Spezzano (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Chuck_Spezzano)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Michael_North (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Michael_North)


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 13, 2013, 03:48:31 pm

   To become an "advanced Trainer" in his organization you have 100 plus days of his "training" and to join or become a "oneness dheeksha blesser".this is also a recognized cult in the U.S.A.


Spezzano says he was "enlightened" in 2007 at Oneness University. And now in his trainings people are taught to do that type of blessing. This is yet another red flag of warning about Spezzano's activities.

Oneness University (the name changes as does the founder often change his own name and self designated spiritual titles) is a large ongoing scam. People are charged quite a bit of money in a chase for enlightenment. They are mistreated. Former devotees claim that at one time they were drugged in order to produce a bliss experience. Many people ended up needing crisis mental health help.

The founder periodically makes apocalyptic type predictions, none of which have come true. And at times he has done large group "enlightenments", which is possibly what Chuck experienced.

Devotees even offered blessings via phone, for a price.

Severe Problems with "Bhagavan Kalki's" Deeksha Oneness Movement: http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html (http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html)

Oneness University: http://www.onenessuniversity.org/ (http://www.onenessuniversity.org/)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 13, 2013, 07:51:16 pm
Chucks says he is a kahuna:

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In my initiation ceremony as a kahuna I was given a fish to eat that in Hawaiian also means THE SOURCE reminding me where my strength and nurturing comes from. If you remember THE SOURCE you can't remember any problem or pain. Have a great day!

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-source.html (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-source.html)

In his book "Friends Helping Friends" he has a section on Ho’oponopono

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2010/01/draft-excerpt-from-dr-chuck-spezzano.html?q=kahuna (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2010/01/draft-excerpt-from-dr-chuck-spezzano.html?q=kahuna)

Huna, Ho'oponopono, and other fake "Hawaiian" teachings: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3838.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3838.0)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 14, 2013, 07:26:03 pm
Unity, a Christian new thought organization, is going through major turmoil because of infiltration by the Oneness Movement, the same movement that the Spezzanos train people in.

Brainwashing In Action: Updated: http://dougbottorff.com/2013/09/14/brainwashing-in-action/ (http://dougbottorff.com/2013/09/14/brainwashing-in-action/) (Update: Blog post and comments are no longer available)

This blog post includes mention of our work here at NAFPS. Comments are worth reading too.

(An updated compilation here: http://dougbottorff.com/oneness-movement-insights-and-testimonials/ (http://dougbottorff.com/oneness-movement-insights-and-testimonials/) )



Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: debbieredbear on September 14, 2013, 08:00:07 pm
That's just creepy!Especially since a good friend was involved with deeksha. Fortunately, I knew it wouldn't last long, because with her, she gets bored easily. I never went to any of the things she invited me to go to, but every other word out of her mouth for awhile was deeksha this or that. I am so glad that she is now involved in healthier things.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on September 15, 2013, 12:18:56 am
Unity, a Christian new thought organization, is going through major turmoil because of infiltration by the Oneness Movement, the same movement that the Spezzanos train people in.

Brainwashing In Action: Updated: http://dougbottorff.com/2013/09/14/brainwashing-in-action/ (http://dougbottorff.com/2013/09/14/brainwashing-in-action/)

This blog post includes mention of our work here at NAFPS. Comments are worth reading too.

Yes, the comments are interesting:

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Incidentally, I updated the posting to include the fact that the woman receiving the deeksha is the Chief of a Native Indian tribe. The Oneness cult is infiltrating them as well, even getting government funding to promote their ongoing scam.

The woman in the video with Lency Spezzano:  http://povcanada.com/trainers/babs-stevens/  How unethical can you get?  You take someone who has been involved with your organization since 1991 and is now a Level 1 "trainer" and put on this performance for the audience pretending like you are getting a "download" to heal all past wounds. 
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 16, 2013, 03:55:13 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8aPN1y2XnI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8aPN1y2XnI)

About 6:32 in video, Chuck says that he got a thank you letter from "one of my Japanese students" who wrote that because he follows Chuck's relationship teachings, his "wife had gone up two bra sizes". Chuck delivers this with a straight face and then tells us that this could be a possibility, that a physical form could change.




Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 16, 2013, 04:12:25 pm
Received this info, the source wants to be confidential for now, I'm paraphrasing:

In the past there have been disagreements between Chuck and other people he worked with. They had strict rules that there should be no sexual or romantic contact between teachers and students - Chuck would not uphold that.

Chuck was charismatic, people liked him, especially women. He set himself up as a guru type with mystical knowledge of students' past lives - this also was in opposition to the goals of others he worked with.

Chuck has a large cult following in Taiwan, and some in Japan, that is where most of his money comes from.

They don't know if he actually has a doctorate, they never saw it. They also don't know if he is properly licensed even if he does have it.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Odelle on September 17, 2013, 06:59:17 am
As Piff mentioned, Spiritual Ocean International Group organizes the Singapore, Taiwan and China classes. The group also seems to have a monopoly on representing and setting up classes for POV in both Taiwan and Mainland China, see below. SOI seems to be quite big, with all kinds of classes (not sure all are POV) offered all over Asia. Their angle seems to be promoting POV as a way to become a better sales person or do better in business. The titles of many of their classes seem to directly imply that POV can make you rich. More interesting, though, is the fact that POV has a history in Taiwan dating back to the 80's. I'm guessing the Spezzanos have made a lot of money!

From Baike, a Wikipedia-like site:http://baike.baidu.com/view/733134.htm

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?????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????Spiritual Ocean International Education Group holdings: SOI Consulting Corporation, Ltd.; Miracle Enterprise Management Consulting Corp. Ltd.; Life Master In'tl Training Company, Ltd.; Heaven on Earth Int'l Company, Ltd.; PSYCHOLOGY OF VISION [emphasis mine] Int'l Stock Company, Ltd.

??1989?11?20??????????????????????????????????????????????
You Mingyu and Wang Tingrong, husband and wife, established the Miracle Enterprise Management Consulting Company, Ltd. (has stock) on November 20th, 1989. ([Basically, just part of another entity, the Miracle Int'l Training Organization])

????????????????????????Dr.Chuck Spezzano ? Lency Spezzano?????P.O.V?Psychology of Vision?????????????
??In the same year [author seems unsure, so has ?? before "same year"], they acquired the sole rights to represent Psychology of Vision, established by Chuck Spezzano, Ph. D. and Lency Spezzano in Taiwan!

.... [Also mentions that they do work with Brian Tracy, and have established a lot of other companies.]

??2001?9??????????????????????????????????
In September of 2001, they developed the International Organization for the international POV Research Series and also set up the POV Int'l Company Ltd.

??2001?10????????????????????????????????????????
In October of 2001, they expanded into Mainland China to develop the motivational training market, establishing the Spiritual Ocean Training Technique Consultancy (Shanghai) Company, Ltd.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 17, 2013, 04:21:20 pm
As Piff mentioned, Spiritual Ocean International Group organizes the Singapore, Taiwan and China classes. The group also seems to have a monopoly on representing and setting up classes for POV in both Taiwan and Mainland China, see below. SOI seems to be quite big, with all kinds of classes (not sure all are POV) offered all over Asia. Their angle seems to be promoting POV as a way to become a better sales person or do better in business. The titles of many of their classes seem to directly imply that POV can make you rich. More interesting, though, is the fact that POV has a history in Taiwan dating back to the 80's. I'm guessing the Spezzanos have made a lot of money!

Lency shows off their "beach place" in Hawaii, a condo, looks to be owned not just leased. The painting she highlights is by Spar Street http://www.sparstreet.com/HTML/theartist.html (http://www.sparstreet.com/HTML/theartist.html). This might be the artist also of all the paintings Chuck Spezzano stand in front of during various videos. The Spezzanos are listed as private collectors of his work http://www.sparstreet.com/HTML/collectors.html (http://www.sparstreet.com/HTML/collectors.html). Unless the Spezzanos get a discount, my guess is that these commissioned pieces are pricey.

(later addition: Chucks videos were filmed by Noni Films and Media at Spar Street's gallery on Maui http://nonifilms.com/2010/04/01/presenting-a-new-web-series-change-your-mind-change-your-heart-change-your-life/ (http://nonifilms.com/2010/04/01/presenting-a-new-web-series-change-your-mind-change-your-heart-change-your-life/) )

From a neighborhood board meeting in 2003:

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Conditional Use Permit, Dr. Spezzano, Waihee Place - Luersen moved, seconded by Kaluhiwa that Kahaluu Neighborhood Board No. 29 support the Conditional Use Permit (CUP) given the statements that have been made tonight about the restrictions that have been placed on it, and  would include no more than ten times a year, no more than fifty people, no sleeping on site other than the resident house, maximum of fifteen cars on site at one time, the structure itself not be expanded beyond the staircase and the exterior lanai. The motion carried 8-0-0.

http://www1.honolulu.gov/refs/nco/nb29/03/29augmin.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/refs/nco/nb29/03/29augmin.htm)

Chamber of Commerce listing for Spezzano & Associates Ltd http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/kaneohe-hi/32602223-spezzano-associates-ltd/ (http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/kaneohe-hi/32602223-spezzano-associates-ltd/)

Their home and property (2 acres) in Kaneohe, Hawaii is assessed at $696,100. http://www.honolulupropertytax.com/Forms/Datalets.aspx?mode=PROFILEALL&sIndex=0&idx=2&LMparent=20 (http://www.honolulupropertytax.com/Forms/Datalets.aspx?mode=PROFILEALL&sIndex=0&idx=2&LMparent=20)

The Spezzanos don't seem to think highly of all the people they get so much money from, these quotes from Lency:

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I'm still in the research stage with this, but it appears that in the Psychology of Vision seminars, and in private sessions, we are able to lead people into enlightenment.

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My husband and I are currently working with a group of 90 people in Guangzhou China. Most of them are beginners to my work, so it will be interesting to see how far I can get with them. They are keen to get enlightened, but their level of maturity is low.

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I did the first annihilation process with the Chinese group, and despite being new to the work, they did very well. As well as a group of Buddhist monks and nuns in Taiwan, and better than the Japanese and Germans I have done the process with.

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Seminar participants in China are an interesting mix of people. More billionaires as well as mafia dons than we see in any other place.

http://enlightenmentdotcom.ning.com/forum/topics/self-annihilation-process-is-leading-people-to-enlightenment?xg_source=activity (http://enlightenmentdotcom.ning.com/forum/topics/self-annihilation-process-is-leading-people-to-enlightenment?xg_source=activity)

I emailed POV and asked what shamans Chuck studied with, as that is one of his claims, I did get a reply that my email would be forwarded to him, and that he is in Cologne Germany and probably won't be able to respond for awhile. :) Although surely a response with the names of those shamans would be easy enough to send.

(update) In that neighborhood board info, concerning a conditional use permit:

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3) The existing barn is currently used as the headquarters for their worldwide networking in the field of Inner Healing.


My bolding there for yet another clue. "Inner Healing" is a controversial counseling movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Healing_Movement
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Healing_Movement)



Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 18, 2013, 04:34:43 pm
For anyone researching this Chuck Spezzano, be aware that is can be easy to confuse records for him with that of another Dr. Charles Spezzano. Even some library records confuse the two, and assume they are the same person.

Our Chuck Spezzano is Charles Lee Spezzano, he does use Dr. in some public records. He was born in 1948.

There is also a Dr. Charles Joseph Spezzano, a psychologist, born 1949. Different person than who we are researching here.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 19, 2013, 05:51:55 pm
I think the Spezzanos and their inner circle are making a lot of $. There are so many trainers, spin off groups under various names, in so many countries - it would be interesting to see what financial researchers come up with concerning all these interlocking businesses in so many jurisdictions.

One of their businesses Vision Works for Life in the UK, led by Jeff and Sue Allen:

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All our facilitators have taken a minimum of 70 days training in Psychology of Vision (PoV), including a 10-day workshop with PoV founders Chuck and Lency Spezzano.
http://visionworksforlife.com/pov-and-visionworks/ (http://visionworksforlife.com/pov-and-visionworks/)

Sue Allen runs Vision Works for Schools, aiming to get "Emotional Intelligence principles" into schools. http://www.vision-works.net/who-we-are.php (http://www.vision-works.net/who-we-are.php)


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 23, 2013, 12:13:58 am
Information from people who have attended these workshops:

When you enter the venue you must sign a waiver that states POV is not responsible for anything that happens to you. Doesn't matter if you have health challenges or not. You sign this, everyone already present witnesses this and also signs it, then you get a name tag and are allowed in.

Next everyone is supposed to "dance to the music". There is peer pressure to dance, and the dancing continues til Chuck and Lency show up. Chuck and Lency sit in nice cushy chairs, in front of the audience, whose chairs are arranged in a horseshoe shape. Where exactly you are seated is supposed to be symbolic of various issues you are unconscious of - such as birthing, death, "deep rooted chronic", etc.

There is also a chair for a participant chosen to be the "group mind". Everyone is supposed to listen to what they say, because as the Spezzanos claim "There is only one of us here".

Before the public workshop even begins the Spezzanos meet in private with their trainers, they spend about an hour working them over emotionally, they "process" them, often this is very intense and emotional.

At the beginning of the workshop the trainers stand up front of the group and read the ground rules about confidentiality and commitments. You stand up to show agreement. You are reminded of these commitments during the entire event. You cannot attend part of an event, you have to be there for every day, all day, if it is three days, ten, whatever. You are pressured to stay in the room, told that if you get up and leave to use the washroom that you are in denial of your issues.

Everyone is paired off in a buddy system and given work to do with each other. Trainers keep scanning the room, looking for people to target and upset.

Chuck sometimes roams the room, stares at people to get them worked up.

Trainers work the room, massage people's shoulders, tap their backs, touch them, and whisper to them to get them upset and emoting.

Sometimes participants basically pass out, while several people are doing supposed body work on them, the participants end up screaming, vomiting, going into delirious laughter (which is supposedly "bliss" - the goal)

A trainer held a participant and tapped their throat area hard while whispering that they needed to let go, the person was sore for weeks after this treatment.

Some people have break downs and end up desperate and incoherent. Some behave aggressively flirtatious.

Chuck tells a lot of sexual jokes. He gestures with the mic as a penis, raising it up and down.  He also states with words and motions that if a woman opens her heart, her body will be open for sex.

Chuck has promoted gambling for after workshops as he claims participants' luck has improved.

There is a lot of pressure to keep taking workshops, keep paying, keep up to their standards.

Anyone who has critical questions is told they are in resistance and not doing the work.

Anyone who leaves the group is shunned and mistreated.



Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: debbieredbear on September 23, 2013, 01:05:49 am
I had a chance to speak to my friend that was involved in deeksha. She was shocked by some of the things I told her, but wasn't overly surpised in a funny way. She said she started feeling uneasy about what was going on and couldn't put a finger on it, so to speak. Then she met her current partner. He has some issues: PTSD and some bipolar issues. He is also a bit hyperactive. But he is a decent guiy, doesn't drink, use drugs or abuse people. The leader of the local group demanded my friend not bring him. My friend said, wait a minute here, you are supposed to do healing and he needs healing! Nope, they said "It's him or us!" She chose her new friend and waived goodbye to that group. So much for "healing".
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 23, 2013, 09:03:10 pm
This sounds like the same, high-pressure manipulation and control techniques used by James Ray and the Rebirthing cults.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 24, 2013, 02:37:49 am
The Spezzanos target mostly women, mostly 30 - 50 years old or so. Men are usually there because they have followed their wives and girlfriends, probably often thinking they are there to be supportive.

But men are really worked over in these sessions. Chuck states that the men represent missing brothers, fathers, grandparents, male offenders, bosses, etc. in the lives of the women.

When the Spezzanos have someone do a process, the participant chooses people in the group to represent various challenges in their lives. Men are almost always chosen to represent abuse issues.

The trainers are almost all female also.

The processing sessions are very orchestrated. Lots of touch, staring, emotional music, coercion, forced catharsis.

The Spezzanos use all sorts of manipulation techniques including hypnosis.

Communities have been left devastated, families have been broken up by this group.

Lency has said they have 52 trainers around the world. And I notice that trainers may use different names for their businesses, so far usually they do have some mention of Psychology of Vision on their web site, or Chuck and Lency Spezzano. With trainers paying annual fees to the Spezzanos, after all the $ they've already put out for the endless training, plus all the other income from people attending big events - the Spezzanos look to be making a fantastic amount of money.

The Spezzanos and their trainers are not doing anything helpful, healing, spiritual, mystical, or magical. They are running a huge con, using classic techniques.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 24, 2013, 02:41:44 am
This sounds like the same, high-pressure manipulation and control techniques used by James Ray and the Rebirthing cults.

Sure looks that way. And just like those cults and related movements, I think there is a very real concern that someone could die at one of these sessions, what with the extreme pressure and mistreatment. I think some people probably end up feeling suicidal after also. I'm not saying this frivolously - people do get seriously messed over by large group awareness trainings like this.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 24, 2013, 02:44:52 am
I had a chance to speak to my friend that was involved in deeksha. She was shocked by some of the things I told her, but wasn't overly surpised in a funny way. She said she started feeling uneasy about what was going on and couldn't put a finger on it, so to speak. Then she met her current partner. He has some issues: PTSD and some bipolar issues. He is also a bit hyperactive. But he is a decent guiy, doesn't drink, use drugs or abuse people. The leader of the local group demanded my friend not bring him. My friend said, wait a minute here, you are supposed to do healing and he needs healing! Nope, they said "It's him or us!" She chose her new friend and waived goodbye to that group. So much for "healing".

Glad she chose her guy over the group! :)

The Spezzanos most likely would have welcomed her friend, and then proceeded to seriously screw him over. He might have been chosen to represent abusive men for the event, not something that any man needs to go through.

They would have made his PTSD much worse - what with the whispering and touching and forced catharsis.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: debbieredbear on September 24, 2013, 04:08:22 pm
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He might have been chosen to represent abusive men for the event, not something that any man needs to go through.

They might have tried, but he wouldn't have put up with it! This guy is hard headed. LOL! And my friend would have been furious because she's protective of him. Oh, she gets mad at him and sends him home, but that's different then someone else treating him badly. Not that she treats him badly.

Also interesting that most of the group is women because I got the impression from the local bunch that they were mostly women too.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 24, 2013, 06:13:18 pm
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The Spezzanos’ greatest inspirations come from A Course in Miracles and Oneness University.
http://povcanada.com/about-us/chuck-and-lency-biography/ (http://povcanada.com/about-us/chuck-and-lency-biography/)

Chuck says he was enlightened by the Oneness University. Oneness Movement is a scam, critique of it can be found here http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html (http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html) and elsewhere online. Part of the scam is oneness blessings/ deeksha. http://www.onenessuniversity.org/index.php/what-we-offer (http://www.onenessuniversity.org/index.php/what-we-offer) The Spezzanos do their own version of these blessings.

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Joining is an emotional healing exercise used for thousands of years in our human history. The Yogi's call it Gazing, in Psychology of Vision it is a very integral part of healing through love, and becoming emotionally mature.

Quote from Victoria Buffalo Robe, active in Psychology of Vision https://www.facebook.com/events/119594208160371/?ref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/events/119594208160371/?ref=nf)

An example of how they've made inroads in First Nations communities in Canada: this grant of $475,300.00 was supposed to aid residential school survivors, instead it further traumatized people by spreading Psychology of Vision trainings. http://www.ahf.ca/funded-projects/british-columbia/ngystle-society (http://www.ahf.ca/funded-projects/british-columbia/ngystle-society) All the directors of the group that got this grant are 100 plus day grads of the Spezzano trainings.

One of the many programs is Steps to Leadership - "made up of 30 modules: 27 three-hour modules and 3 full-day workshops".

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Steps to Leadership Facilitators

This 30-module course was written by Jeff Allen and is designed for use in small groups. The facilitators are people who feel strongly called to help others understand their lives through the Psychology of Vision model. They need not be trainers or 100-day graduates but must have completed a significant number of Psychology of Vision days, around 70, before being approved.
http://povcanada.com/introduction-to-trainers/ (http://povcanada.com/introduction-to-trainers/)

The Spezzanos specifically target communities. They go after leaders, who work (and pay) their way up the ladder of the POV hierarchy. Some of those leaders have control of finances, grant money, they influence dramatically their own tight knit communities.

The money making machines the Spezzanos have built is dizzying to research. A good antidote to all this b.s. is humor, this blogger is critiquing Lency Spezzano videos: http://www.mortythedog.com/search/label/Lency%20Spezzano (http://www.mortythedog.com/search/label/Lency%20Spezzano)

Warning signs of a potential unsafe group/leader http://www.culteducation.com/warningsigns.html (http://www.culteducation.com/warningsigns.html)

My guess is the Spezzanos will use the fact that public outrage is building as fuel for their own manipulation of followers, they will claim that this is evidence of dark forces allied against them, they will claim that everyone needs to do more processing in response.




Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 27, 2013, 06:50:16 pm
Lency Spezzano can be seen in videos telling people to focus on one of her eyes. A professional hypnotherapist looked this over and says that directing people to look into the eye, either right or left, is a stage hypnosis trick, and that Lency is nothing more than a stage hypnotist.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 28, 2013, 07:44:42 pm
There is a lot of horrifying material in these videos Lency Spezzano made and uploaded for our viewing pleasure on youtube. Fortunately it does give us a chance to see what the Spezzanos are doing, without having to give them all our money and suffer being in the same controlled environment with them.

In this video she gets her target to freak out, something I won't watch, but I want to point out what she does next. This phase starts about the 7 minute mark or so. Lency is in a silk top or dress that she occasionally readjusts. She has freaked out her male target, has his attention totally captured, she touches him, directs him to focus on her right eye, indicates with a hand gesture that she is going to turn around, then she slowly half stands and does this incredibly weird, arched back, sobbing, slow turn maneuver. While staying very close to him. She ends with her hand on his chest, and she adjusts her silk garment that has been falling off a shoulder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY)

What the heck is she doing? It is a weird sexualized seductive maneuver. Very creepy, so very unethical.

People who know American Sign Language, and have been to Spezzano events, say Lency has created her own ASL signs to instruct her followers. Advanced trainers are taught the sign for "joining". Lency also has specific hand gestures for "divine light coming through the brain", "brain net", her supposed experience of "downloading" and more.

The signs help Lency keep the audience focused, in the midst of their entranced stupor. The Spezzanos work to overload people's minds, once they achieve that, they can plant all the suggestions they want.

Something especially heinous they are doing is working to erase memories of residential school trauma in their subjects. Lency's Original Mind video is an example of this. No way should they be messing with people's memories. The Spezzanos are preying on traumatized people and then traumatizing them further.

The Spezzanos, by imposing their Psychology of Vision b.s. on First Nations peoples, hijack people out of their own family systems and support, while indoctrinating them with this artificial cultic system. Families are close, so when the Spezzanos focus on one or two members of a family or clan, they can then scoop up 10 or more members in record time.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on September 29, 2013, 03:26:21 am
Thanks, Piff.  Those videos are hard to watch.  I am sorry, but I only see a face of evil when I watch her, not a face of bliss or love.  It is truly sad that so many people have been taken in by them.

Just for the record, I have managed to get a copy of Chuck Spezzano's dissertation and this is what is on the cover page:

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THE WORDS THAT LOVE MADE--A POETIC PHENOMENOLOGY
OF THE POET'S EXPERIENCE OF BEING A POET
A Dissertation
Presented to the
Graduate Faculty of the
School of Human Behavior
United States International University
In Partial Fulfillment
of the Requirements for the Degree of
Doctor of Philosophy
in Professional Psychology
by
Charles Lee Spezzano
San Diego, 1977
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 29, 2013, 03:02:32 pm
Autumn, does that dissertation copy include the names of instructors who accepted (if they did accept) the dissertation? Very cool that you got a copy.

That "Doctor of Philosophy in Professional Psychology" looks to have been offered only by that university, in the past.

Here is a person who has that degree, but they have a "clinical specialization", and they do the right thing with not only being licensed to practice as a psychologist, they even tell us their license #:

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Doctor of Philosophy in Professional Psychology, Clinical Specialization, United States International University (Alliant University), San Diego, CA 1982 (Licensed Psychologist: CT License #1185)

http://www.bobdeutschphd.com/about_me/education.html (http://www.bobdeutschphd.com/about_me/education.html)

Chuck doesn't seem to be licensed to practice as a psychologist.

On Lency, yeah, horrible stuff.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 29, 2013, 04:52:43 pm
Chuck says he got his degree in 1977. That might be true, but I wonder if the school was accredited by the APA at that time. He says he attended United States International University (USIU). "During the 1970s, USIU became a center for humanistic psychology". In 2001, Alliant was formed by combining California School of Professional Psychology (CSPP) and USIU.
http://www.alliant.edu/about-alliant/history.php (http://www.alliant.edu/about-alliant/history.php)

But the APA says "Alliant International University—San Diego (PhD) (formerly listed as California School of Professional Psychology-San Diego)" was given the accredition date of May 6, 1980.

In comparison, the University of California, Los Angeles (PhD) Department of Psychology was accredited  Feb. 1, 1948.

http://www.apa.org/ed/accreditation/programs/clinical.aspx (http://www.apa.org/ed/accreditation/programs/clinical.aspx)


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on September 29, 2013, 07:32:52 pm
Autumn, does that dissertation copy include the names of instructors who accepted (if they did accept) the dissertation? Very cool that you got a copy.

That "Doctor of Philosophy in Professional Psychology" looks to have been offered only by that university, in the past.

Here is a person who has that degree, but they have a "clinical specialization", and they do the right thing with not only being licensed to practice as a psychologist, they even tell us their license #:

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Doctor of Philosophy in Professional Psychology, Clinical Specialization, United States International University (Alliant University), San Diego, CA 1982 (Licensed Psychologist: CT License #1185)

http://www.bobdeutschphd.com/about_me/education.html (http://www.bobdeutschphd.com/about_me/education.html)

Chuck doesn't seem to be licensed to practice as a psychologist.

On Lency, yeah, horrible stuff.

Yes, Piff, these are the names on the dissertation, as best I can make them out, all signed with the date of May 9, 1977:  Bernice R. Roberts, Paul F. Colayzi (or Colaijzi), William D. Wilkers (or Wilkens), and W. Ray Rucker.*

On his website, he says this:

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It was during this time that he graduated with his Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology.

I don't want to make excuses for these two people, but it may be a case that they started out with good intentions and then got dazzled by the $$$$$, sex, and power.  Such a familiar story.

*Additional information on above names since he types these out on the acknowledgements page:  committee members Dean Ray Rucker and Dr. William Wilkins; Dr. Paul Colaizzi, friend and mentor; chairwoman, Dr. Bernice Roberts.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 29, 2013, 09:17:11 pm
Thanks Autumn! That checks out, for instance Winifred Ray Rucker Ed.D. was indeed Dean. So Chuck wrote the thesis, it was approved, he has a degree.

And I agree, Chuck and Lency might be two people who started out with good intentions, but then went seriously, horribly  astray. They are responsible for a lot of damage.

I wonder why they aren't publicly active on the mainland USA. They run expensive trainings at their home in Hawaii, but they don't look to be also doing seminars in LA, NYC, Denver, Seattle, or other places we might expect to see these types of seminars offered. Their Trainer Program Director, Francine Girard, lives near Seattle, but does events over the border in Canada.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 30, 2013, 01:26:47 am
Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst wrote "Healing The Body Through Mind And Metaphor" http://www.psychologyofvision.com/shop/ebooks/healing-the-body-through-mind-and-metaphor-by-chuck-spezzano-and-janie-ticehurst-download-version/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/shop/ebooks/healing-the-body-through-mind-and-metaphor-by-chuck-spezzano-and-janie-ticehurst-download-version/)

(Update: most of these links are now dead)

In this book we are told that we have AIDS because:

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The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.

http://www.healingkeys.com/Metaphor/AIDS.htm (http://www.healingkeys.com/Metaphor/AIDS.htm)

And cancer because:

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Cancer is the embodiment of self-directed anger. It reflects a place of guilt and self-attack.

A traumatic situation with a significant other will have taken place between six and eighteen months before the onset of the cancer.

http://www.healingkeys.com/Metaphor/Cancer.htm (http://www.healingkeys.com/Metaphor/Cancer.htm)


http://www.healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm (http://www.healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm)

In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc) Chuck claims that he is largely responsible for the healing of someone whose "AIDS went to HIV and then completely disappeared".
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: debbieredbear on September 30, 2013, 01:46:44 am
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In this book we are told that we have AIDS because:


Quote
The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.



If that's true, then how is it babies have been born with it? Oh, waity, they must have chosen it.  :'( I hate this nuage bs, blames victims and gets paid for it.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on September 30, 2013, 11:32:07 pm
Here is an example of how determined the Spezzanos (and their trainers) are to colonize and scam First Nation communities:

Breaking the Silence and Healing the Legacy

The Breaking the Silence and Healing the Legacy community healing program allows a trained and qualified First Nation team to respond to the need for supporting First Nations Residential School Survivors to address the affects of the Legacy within their home communities instead of dealing with it in isolation. It provides the Residential School survivors the opportunity to empower themselves in choosing to heal past issues rather than living in constant pain. This program also encourages the Residential School survivors and their descendants who haven’t yet chosen to heal their pain, to attend to one of our healing workshops where they can witness the positive changes from those who do participate.

For those who choose to initiate or continue their healing journey, and have been affected by the Legacy, will benefit from this Program by empowering themselves and thus gaining the courage to address their painful Residential School experiences in the safest healing environment possible. They will have access to various healing tools that are offered by the non-denominational Psychology of Vision® healing model. The freedom and leadership to be embraced and shared from past survivors will in essence have a rippling effect within their respective communities. Thus creating a safer and healthier living environment for themselves, their children, grandchildren and the future generations.

This community healing/training is especially essential to those Residential School Survivors and their descendents who have chosen to use this program. We will teach and model the necessary holistic support, coaching and follow-up care in co-operation along with the provision of our mandatory community commitment that will ensure the training of specific frontline community workers, healthcare workers and community counselors that remain as supplementary community support people. It is our mandate to train key community support staff present in each community to ensure that all participants will have access to essential support services after we finish the training.

Our First Nations Trainers are trained in The Psychology of Vision® (POV) healing model which has proven effective in many cultures around the world – from England, Germany, Japan, Norway, Switzerland, Taiwan, Canada and Africa.. The three major focuses of the model are relationship, leadership through accountability and finally non-denominational spirituality.

In 1991, Dr. Chuck Spezzano and his wife, Lency, who developed this transformational healing model, responded to requests from First Nations’ communities in British Columbia to donate their time and expertise to beging healing this painful Legacy. Since then they have presented one to two workshops a year in kind, organized by several BC First Nations communities like Haida Gwaii, Gitxsan Territory, Tsleil Waututh Nation and Willaims Lake. To date there are now dozens of First Nations here in British Columbia who have received the benefit of this training and now are fully qualified in using this healing model to now support and empower our people, thus the focus of this mandate – to send out a qualified FN Healing team to further the healing on the ground in our communities.

The POV healing model is about love, innocence, empowerment, accountability for our lives, and ‘response-ability’ to ourselves and others. It is about freeing both victims and victimizers from their pain and traps, finding the hidden gifts and talents blocked by such traps, and empowering people to become successful leaders and healers in their own right. This process driven healing model is also about problem solving and evolution; is a healing model that is not just about healing and repair, but also about vision, creativity and living one’s purpose.

For more information about this program, please contact:
Meyer's Consulting

Vancouver, BC

http://www.fnsds.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf (http://www.fnsds.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 01, 2013, 10:21:58 pm
Once a person has spent quite a bit of money and time (including time spent being brainwashed) to advance to a trainer level, they must sign an agreement to pay annual license fees.  In 2011 these were the annual fees:

Level 1 $4500
Level 2 $6250
Level 3 $6700
Level 4 $7500
First Nations trainers $500

But that is not all. Trainers have to go to the annual 10 day trainers conference. No exceptions. If a trainer misses a full day of the conference, they are put on probation, and must do (pay for) more conferences within the next 6 months.

A trainer needs to be available to staff for workshops. They need to take additional training. At least once every two years they have to attend an apprenticeship training.

Trainers have to book monthly coaching sessions. They have to see their coach bi-monthly. They need to listen live to recorded quarterly conference calls with Chuch and Lency. They need to study the teaching materials. Complete 3 self evaluation reports a year. These reports must be on time, this fact is stressed in the manual.

They must promote all trainers, events, funds, and products. They must do specific daily "healing exercises".

The Steps to Leadership program must be taught once in full and solo by new trainers. The program and license must be bought from the appropriate division and monitored by that division.

Any "issues of commitment" to the team is said to "reflect issues in our family of origin that are not yet cleared".

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 01, 2013, 10:33:49 pm
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In this book we are told that we have AIDS because:


Quote
The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.



If that's true, then how is it babies have been born with it? Oh, waity, they must have chosen it.  :'( I hate this nuage bs, blames victims and gets paid for it.

I hate this nuage b.s. too. People get all twisted around and confused, vulnerable to predators like the Spezzanos who claim that they know exactly why we have cancer or other health challenges.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 02, 2013, 07:56:16 pm
On a flyer for a B.C., Canada event - A Three Day First Nations Workshop, Embracing our Spiritual Legacy, with Chuck Spezzano:

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What is our Legacy as First Nations people?
As First Nations people on the earth today, we have all promised to align with our Spirit. We have promised to share our gifts as Leaders inspired by Spirit, to awaken the Shaman in humanity.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on October 02, 2013, 08:31:24 pm
On a flyer for a B.C., Canada event - A Three Day First Nations Workshop, Embracing our Spiritual Legacy, with Chuck Spezzano:

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What is our Legacy as First Nations people?
As First Nations people on the earth today, we have all promised to align with our Spirit. We have promised to share our gifts as Leaders inspired by Spirit, to awaken the Shaman in humanity.

Translation:

We have all promised to align with our Spirit:  By sitting with Lency and "joining".
We have promised to share our gifts as Leaders inspired by Spirit:  By signing up for the expensive training Program.
To awaken the Shaman in humanity:  By continuing to spread the doctrine by getting friends and family involved.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 03, 2013, 02:01:32 am
Information from survivors:

Chuck does baptisms and marriages, he says he is a minister.

Chuck often asks questions like "Wouldn't you want to receive heavens grace?", questions most people would not want to say no to. He asks questions like this, and people find themselves saying yes to him again and again.

During trainings he has people stand up, and stand wherever he tells them. Whoever is the current focus person chooses who in the room will represent parts of their life. Chuck directs the focus person as they then walk from person to person. Everyone emotes and goes through a lot of misery. Chuck directs the entire thing. You do what he says.

Chuck claims that he has special powers that enable him to read cues. What finger your ring is on, how you tilt your head when you are thinking, your supposed karmic roles - Chuck is the grand interpreter, the god who knows what everything means.

There is no room for debate. Chuck is in charge and these sessions are all about breaking down our natural instincts to fight and defend.

Long, long hours of focus are used to wear people down until they give up.

People have ended up feeling absolutely crazy. Chuck will still push and push people to emote. People have described feeling suicidal, wanting to jump out windows in order to escape the hellish sound of so many people screaming and crying in a closed room.

People end up comatose on the floor.

Once home, some people have felt zoned out for a week or more, unable to think clearly, feeling disconnected from their family.

Chuck uses signature songs, such as In the Arms of an Angel, Into the Mystic, many of Sarah McLachlan's songs. He tailors his song list according to his targets. He has them played over and over again until people fall apart. People who have left this group report not being able to listen to these songs anymore without great distress.

There is an immense amount of pressure to keep with the "group mind".  Chuck tells people that they can stop wars and earthquakes with their group mind.  He tells people they must do group mind deposits in the group mind bank for peace and healing.

Often the focus person at these events crumples and falls to the ground, or freezes in place, or shakes and cries. This is traumatic to watch and everyone else in the room ends up crying harder. Just as Chuck wants.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 04, 2013, 05:54:16 pm
Francine Girard directs their training program. http://povcanada.com/trainers/francine-girard/ (http://povcanada.com/trainers/francine-girard/) http://www.psychologyofvision.com/pov-usa/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/pov-usa/) She says was a private therapist for 15 years, but doesn't say where that happened. She lives in Washington state, USA, but does not show up on a WA health care provider license search for either Francine Girard or a marriage surname of Hovde. https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/SearchCriteria.aspx (https://fortress.wa.gov/doh/providercredentialsearch/SearchCriteria.aspx)

Francine Girard was a rapid recruit and moved fast up the ladder. Former members report that this rapid rise was mysterious to them, as other members had been in the group longer, but were not allowed to rise as fast.

She lives in Everett, WA, but doesn't seem to do any trainings on mainland USA, nor does anyone else in POV.

A former member describes a 10 day workshop in Canada, where people had to do a special walk toward Francine, so she could determine if they had "succumbed to the bliss stage" yet. If Francine decided you weren't doing it right, you got sent to the back of the line.

At times Francine acts like Lency Spezzano.

Ruby Tang is also an important part of the Spezzano money making machine. She travels with Chuck extensively, is one of his main interpreters, and has had a big influence in recruiting Asian folks. She is based in Canada.

One of Chuck's long time partners in POV is Charles Campbell. He often is at Canadian events. He is an advanced trainer. http://povcanada.com/trainers/charles-campbell/ (http://povcanada.com/trainers/charles-campbell/) Charles and Chuck often run an act together - Charles lays down on the floor and tries to sleep through trainings, Chuck then berates him for his "passive behavior". Since they do this often, it sounds like a purposeful act as part of the Spezzano show, intended to get points across to the audience.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 04, 2013, 06:04:36 pm
Babs Stevens is an example of the incredibly destructive inroads that Psychology of Vision is able to make into First Nations communities. She is chief administrative officer with the Skidegate Band Council, of the Haida Nation.

She is a trainer, and has recruited many into POV. In order to keep her trainer status she has to regularly go through trainings herself, trainings which includes practice in "self annihilation".

http://povcanada.com/trainers/babs-stevens/ (http://povcanada.com/trainers/babs-stevens/)

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 04, 2013, 07:46:27 pm
On an old archived POV forum, when asked what literature inspired Psychology of Vision, Jeff responded that along with A Course in Miracles, principle books include Gifts of Unknown Things by Lyall Watson, and books by A. A. Attansio. Jeff is Jeff Allen, one of the very top people in POV. http://visionworksforlife.com/about-us/ (http://visionworksforlife.com/about-us/)

Lyall Watson is known for having made up part of the hundredth monkey story http://www.skepdic.com/monkey.html (http://www.skepdic.com/monkey.html)

A. A. Attansio writes fantasy and sci-fi stories http://www.aaattanasio.com/ (http://www.aaattanasio.com/) A recent tweet Attansio posted on his twitter feed "The truth we conceive is the deception we perceive."

Chuck tosses many religious and psychological systems into a blender, and mixes them up completely until they are a total mess. This includes his own versions of tarot, fantasy literature, Sufism, Hinduism, Judaic mysticism, and more.

Chuck directs people to stand in a certain arrangement in the room, fitting the shape of a pseudo Kabbalah Tree of Life. He then "processes" them through this design. He is following on the heels of other groups that have ripped off the Kaballah, notably Kabbalah Center International, whose group attracts famous people like Madonna.

In 2001 on a POV forum someone expressed concern about an ex-partner, mother of his child, who had joined the group. He reported that she now felt superior, spoke with the loaded language of a cult member, and was obsessed with the group. He wrote "she's working her ass off now for Mr Spedzanno's arrival in her country (The Netherlands) and of course the master will only arrive when there is enough money to be made".

Archives of an old POV site http://web.archive.org/web/20010722003547/http://www.visionhosts.co.uk/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20010722003547/http://www.visionhosts.co.uk/)


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 04, 2013, 11:28:17 pm
I've uploaded two clips here from POV archives 2001 on what the "mind bank" is according to Chuck.

Former members report that they are heavily pressured to engage themselves with this imaginary mind bank, they are told they have to do regular practices to keep it going.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 04, 2013, 11:31:34 pm
More clips from archives, these in a category labelled "Funds", along with a suggestion that people make donations.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 05, 2013, 02:19:29 am
http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/ChuckSpezzano.htm (http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/ChuckSpezzano.htm)

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In 1980 Chuck travelled to Vancouver, Canada for his first lecture. He began doing psychic development workshops up the west coast but by 1982 seeing the need he switched to only conducting healing workshops. He travelled frequently also to New England and then to Minnesota. In 1983 he was invited to Japan, the U. K. and Germany for the first time. By 1987 he was travelling regularly to Switzerland, the U. K., Japan, Canada and France.

In 1990 Chuck and Lency began travel to Taiwan for the first time, and in 1991 to Malaysia. In 1991 he and Lency met with Edna Brillon, a First Nations woman, and found they had the same vision about supporting First Nations Peoples.

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It was also at this time, 1991, that the Psychology of Vision model was given its name by Chuck. And while their work has gone beyond human and shamanic vision into spiritual vision and higher consciousness, the name Psychology of Vision, or POV, holds a dear place in their hearts.

So this is how Chuck presents the history of his group. He's been at these fraud schemes for awhile now.

In his July/Aug 2000 newsletter, Chuck laid out his plans to expand across the mainland USA.

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My book tour through Orange County, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle was exhilarating and successful.

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A new company called LLC has been established to begin operations in North America. Lency and I are planning some talks and a one day workshop in Orange County in September before the Canadian weekend at the end of the month. A few years ago I was inspired to reopen the US after years of traveling internationally but we have not had time in our busy schedules to allow for this before now.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010722003547/http://www.visionhosts.co.uk/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20010722003547/http://www.visionhosts.co.uk/)

But they don't look to be active on the mainland USA now at all, I wonder why.

A Canadian Child and Family Psychologist was active with POV for years, former members say they saw her at many workshops. Dr. Barbara Ann Marcus Perks is now on retired status with the College of Psychologists of British Columbia (they regulate the profession), meaning she is not currently licensed for active practice.

From 2007:

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Dr. Barbara Perks is a Child and Family Psychologist who has worked in schools and private practice with children, parents, and staff. She is a member of College of Psychologists of British Columbia and a member of the College of Teachers of British Columbia.

She has a Bachelor of Science in Education and Psychology from Pennsylvania State University, a Masters of Arts in Developmental Psychology from Columbia University, and a Doctorate in Counselling Psychology and Child Psychology from the University of British Columbia.

Barbara, a POV Advanced Trainer, has been part of the Psychology of Vision community since January 1990. She works with the energy of bliss and joy through a healing method.

Courses: Teaching Steps to Leadership -POV, courses for young children and teenagers.

http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=606272817&page_url=//www.psychologyofvision.com/Facilitator_bio.asp?id=88&page_last_updated=2007-10-29T03:31:04&firstName=Barbara&lastName=Perks (http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=606272817&page_url=//www.psychologyofvision.com/Facilitator_bio.asp?id=88&page_last_updated=2007-10-29T03:31:04&firstName=Barbara&lastName=Perks)

Personally, I find this mind boggling, that a psychologist would ever involve themselves with POV.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 05, 2013, 05:04:36 pm
Top POV trainers Jeff and Sue Allen are very active, on the workshop circuit, in schools, and in charities such as Vision Zambia.

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We all seek happiness. In fact, all our actions and behaviours are dedicated to this end. So why do we get so off-course? Vision Works for Life is based on the Psychology of Vision model, a path of the heart that has helped tens of thousands of people around the world improve their lives. Whatever challenges you, if you’re ready to expand your horizons and remove the blocks that stand in your way to a more meaningful future, VisionWorks for Life can help you too.

http://visionworksforlife.com/ (http://visionworksforlife.com/)

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Psychology of Vision is a complete programme for change developed over 30 years of working with people all around the world.  Life Manual is a personal study programme based on this model, to guide you through changing your life. Working through carefully designed exercises, you use the full range of tools that have made this life change model so successful in transforming behaviours and attitudes.

http://www.pov-lifemanual.com/ (http://www.pov-lifemanual.com/)

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VisionWorks teaching programmes equip young people with the key life skills that underpin a happy and successful life.


http://www.vision-works.net/index.php (http://www.vision-works.net/index.php)

Jeff Allen http://www.psychologyofvision.co.uk/trainers/jeff-allen/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.co.uk/trainers/jeff-allen/)
Sue Allen http://www.psychologyofvision.co.uk/trainers/sue-allen/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.co.uk/trainers/sue-allen/)

A tag line often seen on Psychology of Vision materials is "friends helping friends".

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 05, 2013, 10:11:56 pm
Former members report that Chuck's teachings tell people dealing with sexual abuse that they should ask themselves "What is the gift it brought you?" Chuck teaches that a child who was sexually molested attracted that to their life for a reason, to make them feel special, and as if they were giving the gift of Love.

At times Chuck teaches that one way being abused is a gift, is that the abuse gives people the power to rebel and reject family members, so they could become independent and run their own lives how they want. It made them become special.

Chuck leads abuse survivors to believe that as children they manipulated these abuses to happen to them.
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Also reported is an apparent  high rate of serious car accidents experienced by both followers of Chuck Spezzano/ Psychology of Vision and also by Erick Gonzalez's devotees. Former members think this may be because they are taught to do a lot of zoning and spacing out. They have been so messed with that their judgement and reaction time abilities are seriously screwed.

A POV member along with his children were killed in a serious car accident in B.C. At the next POV workshop in Vancouver, Canada, Chuck and Lency kept a tight grip on the surviving wife, used the family tragedy as a way to "process" participants, and the woman "didn't have a chance in hell to escape how POV would next affect her life forever".

Several top trainers have been in serious car accidents.

A VP of Erick Gonzalez's group also was in a bad car accident. She was active with POV for several years and then branched off doing many psycho active drug retreats with Gonzalez.
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One of the many sources Chuck Spezzano seems to draw upon is Bert Hellinger's Family and Systemic Constellation methods. Chuck doesn't credit this, but there are very strong parallels. Hellinger's business looks to be yet another training seminar scheme. Some people on the Nuage marketplace list both in their bios http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php (http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php)

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POV teaches people to fear attack, to believe that they are being attacked by dark forces, and to do practices to supposedly prevent attack. POV followers always have to be mindful that supposedly they are always trying to sabotage their own selves from the inside, also that there is outside danger. And as far as I can tell, according to Chuck, if you are actually in danger from the outside, this is probably because you drew it to your self. In other words, you are to blame. Trust no one, only POV.

In the Jan 2010 newsletter, Chuck wrote:

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It seems most of us dodged the bullet that came at us in December. Yet, now there is almost a steady stream of attack going on – vicious ego attack, astral attack, fear of change attacks, fear of loss attacks, ignorance and prejudicial attack.


Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on October 05, 2013, 11:58:56 pm
One of the many sources Chuck Spezzano seems to draw upon is Bert Hellinger's Family and Systemic Constellation methods. Chuck doesn't credit this, but there are very strong parallels. Hellinger's business looks to be yet another training seminar scheme. Some people on the Nuage marketplace list both in their bios http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php (http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php)

Their "training" sounds like a living hell to me, and what kind of training is this?

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I lived in Hawaii with Chuck, Lency Spezzano and their family (founders of Psychology of Vision) as part of the training.
(bolding mine)

http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 06, 2013, 12:54:24 am
One of the many sources Chuck Spezzano seems to draw upon is Bert Hellinger's Family and Systemic Constellation methods. Chuck doesn't credit this, but there are very strong parallels. Hellinger's business looks to be yet another training seminar scheme. Some people on the Nuage marketplace list both in their bios http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php (http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php)

Their "training" sounds like a living hell to me, and what kind of training is this?

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I lived in Hawaii with Chuck, Lency Spezzano and their family (founders of Psychology of Vision) as part of the training.
(bolding mine)

http://www.yogaintegralganesha.com/sobrenosotras_eng.php

Living with the Spezzanos as part of the training - so that could mean they have people working for them, without proper salary. She might have had to work for them, unpaid, and even have to pay for the privilege at the same time. I don't know her specific situation, but it does happen as a matter of course in Nuage circles.

Plus this is so unethical. More evidence of how the Spezzanos do everything they can to bust through healthy boundaries.

The Spezzanos claim they are doing a type of healing psychology, but they forgot the part about how there are supposed to be clear boundaries between client and health care provider.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 06, 2013, 01:53:58 am
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A 2001 event The 10 Day Canadian Psychology of Vision International Training
We will be joined by First Nations participants as many aboriginal communities are embracing the Psychology of Vision as a healing model. The First Nations people bring their native spirituality and traditions to the training and their presence adds depth to the workshop process.
Professional, well-trained staff including many students of the Psychology of Vision Advanced Training program.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/psychologyofvision/10DAY2001.html (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/psychologyofvision/10DAY2001.html)

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About 10 years ago Chuck & Lency were inspired to work more closely with First Nations people. The POV Healing Model has been graciously welcomed in many First Nation communities, as it aligns with many First Nations belief systems. Psychology of Vision is dedicated to awakening the giftedness of indigenous peoples on the planet.
http://povcanada.com/first-nations/ (http://povcanada.com/first-nations/)

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Taking Down the Walls - In this live lecture Lency describes her joining with the First Nations people of Northern Canada. This inspiring lecture is a story about how we can overcome our potential differences.

Tracks:
Taking Down The Walls
1 Cultural Genocide
2 My Friend & the Technique of Joining
3 My Friends's Integration
4 The Next Healing
5 Finding Our Innocence
http://www.psychologyofvision.com/shop/cds-and-dvds/the-fall-from-grace-and-taking-down-the-walls/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/shop/cds-and-dvds/the-fall-from-grace-and-taking-down-the-walls/)

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PSYCHOLOGY OF VISION CANADA

'A FIRST NATIONS WORKSHOP - NOVEMBER 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, 1998
Prince Rupert, British Columbia, Canada.

http://www.angelfire.com/biz/psychologyofvision/1STNATIONS.html (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/psychologyofvision/1STNATIONS.html)
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Patricia Peters's Overview

Current
 store clerk at N'Quatqua First Nations
Past
 Room Team or clean up crew at Psychology of Vision
 Sales Representative at Psychology of Vision
Social Development worker at N'Quatqua First Nations

Receptionist at N'Quatqua First Nation
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/patricia-peters/76/7a5/204 (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/patricia-peters/76/7a5/204)
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Melissa Meyer, from the Tsimshian Nation, Lax Kw'alaams/Port Simpson, BC, is a University of British Columbia graduate in Fine Arts, a traditional weaver, and a Psychology of Vision trainer.
http://www.synergiescanada.org/journals/bcn/bcstudies/265/675 (http://www.synergiescanada.org/journals/bcn/bcstudies/265/675)
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AUGUST 12TH,13TH & 14TH, 2005
ALERT BAY, BC

We are honoured to extend this invitation to former students of St. Michael’s Residential School to attend a gathering this summer in Alert Bay, BC.
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Healing workshop: Psychology of Vision healing exercises – First Nations Trainers. Theme: Reclaiming and empowering true self.
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Healing workshop: Psychology of Vision healing exercises– First Nations Trainers. Theme: Embracing spirituality and letting go of the past.
http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3867&start=0 (http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3867&start=0)
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News article from 2001:

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Dr. Charles Brasfield, a North Vancouver psychiatrist who has treated hundreds of native residential-school victims, says they typically require lengthy one-on-one counselling, which Health Canada refuses to pay for.

When bands spend money on quick-fix New Age therapies such as Neurolinguistic Programming and something called
Psychology of Vision, he says, Health Canada looks the other way.


``Typically, these quick-fix money-makers try to get an aboriginal `trainer' as a front,'' he said. ``We tried to warn medical services how public money was being spent but they weren't interested.

``We're very concerned about the influx of these money-making quick-fix therapies. They're very expensive and they're just sweeping reserves.''

Agrees Vera Manuel, a Secwepemc playwright and qualified traditional therapist: ``It's a feeding frenzy out there -- all kinds of so-called therapists are coming out of the woodwork.

``These New Age therapies are becoming as oppressive to us as the first wave of religion -- some of them are like cults. This is not a good use of the small amount of money we have.''

(the entire article is very worth reading) http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TurtleIslandNativeNetwork/conversations/topics/240 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TurtleIslandNativeNetwork/conversations/topics/240)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 07, 2013, 02:35:16 am
A presentation in 1999 at the The Canadian Aborginal AIDS Network ‘HIV/AIDS Community Building’ Forum:

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The Psychology of Vision
Presenter: Edna Brillon
The Psychology Of Vision workshop was a three day event based on personal and group healing with
an Aboriginal focus. Much of the work done in this workshop was intensely personal to the participants,
and out of respect for them and their own issues, much of what happened in these workshops
must remain confidential. However, the guiding principle behind the workshop, and the format used, is
recorded here for those who may be interested in attending one of Edna’s Psychology of Vision sessions
in the future.
Edna Brillon has traveled all around the world, making trust among people a reality. Her workshop is
based on four principles. Integrity, Accountability, Love, and non-denominational spirituality.
According to Edna, we are now living in the native renaissance. All over the world people want to
know us, and want to know our history. And though we are still in pain, we seem to forgive and heal
more quickly than other people. One of our roles perhaps is to heal and forgive and teach others around
the world how to do this as well.
One of the greatest issues with the native community is that we, as individuals, feel everyone else’s
pain. Children are especially sensitive. They take other’s pain, the pain of their mother’s and grandmothers,
and swallow it. It is a shamanic gift, this, and a tradition in native communities. Except that
Shaman used to swallow the pain and bring it back up again in great black balls and spit it out, to
achieve healing of their subject. We have lost our ability to bring it back up, and so we walk around
with the great black ball of pain in us. It is our ancestor’s pain, and the pain of our families, friends and
parents.
The goal of the Psychology of Vision is to begin to go in and heal this pain, to remove core issues and
replace it with the universe. This pain stops us from being who we are, and once it is removed, we are
free to live as we were intended to live. One of the ways to accomplish this is to bring people together
to share their pain. The workshop works with group and group process. We can’t deal with the pain
alone. Over the three day workshop, trust and energy is built, and a willingness to heal is unearthed. A
small group in a short time can do wonders.
The workshop is broken down into nine components. These are titled
1. Scout/Pioneer (exploration)
2. Relationships (without sacrifice)
3. New Level Of Communication
4. Chronic Problems
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5. Heart
6. Spirituality
7. Abundance
8. Letting Go
9. Leadership
There are four parts to the human mind.
1. Conscious mind — smallest of these, less than four percent of our makeup.
2. Subconscious mind — is a little bigger, and is like a video tape recorder. It records everything
that has happened to us from our birth onwards. We can access all emotion and feeling, everything
that happened to us, through the subconscious mind.
3. Unconscious mind — the healing work of the workshop is done here. One issue cleared up
here clears 10 in the subconscious mind and a 100 on the conscious mind. It is here that resides
myth, story, legend, and metaphor. The old people of our culture, when they used to see someone
in trouble, would not lecture them or tell them they were wrong. Rather they would tell a
story. The unconscious mind is a great healing place.
4. Higher Mind — place of enlightenment and the higher miracle mind. The worst thing that
colonization did to natives was take away a natural state of higher mind. Before contact, we
resided here — whole and unfettered. Contact brought us down into the conscious and subconscious
mind, which are fear based. Our consciousness was lowered.
When the clear, round circle of the higher mind is divided, becomes subfractionated, we become
small, troubled, isolated, and lonely. Our ego wants us to be divided in this way, but our higher mind
wants us connected. Each time in our workshops we clear up a core issue we erase a line that divides
our higher mind. The removal or clearing up of our core issues begins us on a journey of wholeness
back to enlightenment and the miracle mind. We are no longer working from a basis of fear. This is the
goal, through group process and personal revelation, of the workshop Psychology of Vision.

For more information on these workshops call Edna Brillon at
http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/HIVAIDS%20Aboriginal%20Skills%20Building%20Forum%201999.pdf (http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/HIVAIDS%20Aboriginal%20Skills%20Building%20Forum%201999.pdf)
pgs 29, 30, under category of Care, Treatment, and Support

Using search terms "psychology of vision" with "first nations" brings up a lot more worth looking over online. POV has been recruiting First Nations people for quite awhile, most especially First Nations women.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 09, 2013, 02:39:51 am
Chuck Spezzano is purposefully foul mouthed in seminars. He pronounces the word "control" as "c*nt troll", making women feel horrible and guilty for supposedly being too controlling. Women are shamed, made to feel like hags and witches for most anything they do. He also has regular crude routines with hand gestures and his microphone.

As Chuck directs people around the room in a seminar, he asks leading questions that more and more close down people's ability to think. Survivors felt herded into a mental corner, guided to surrender over and over again.

People end up in a child like state. There is immense pressure to cooperate, be good, do as directed.

Chuck claims that everyone's luck will be better after seminars. He uses "luck" as a sales pitch especially in Asia. Some trainers are addicted to gambling.

Sometimes Chuck and trainers dress up their act with words like "leadership" and "business", but it really is the same old act:

Break down people's boundaries
Have them reveal personal hardships and info
Make them emote and purge
Rebond them to POV

Doesn't matter what the theme is, it is the same every time, break you down and rebond, over and over.

Survivors experience numbness, dissociation, and other signs of trauma.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 09, 2013, 03:57:42 am
This is a good example of how Psychology of Vision is presented in a variety of different ways, with different visuals and emphasis, in this case with talk of leadership and business:

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Creating Leaders for Change
We are a team of Visionary Leaders committed to being in service to an
evolving world. We provide a new approach to management, leadership
and partnership. It is our purpose to serve leaders who recognize the importance of consciousness in business.

• We offer Leadership Training, Corporate Training, Workshops,
  Business Leadership Coaching and Steps to Leadership Programs.

• We recognize that systems and strategies are collapsing around us
  and a new paradigm is essential for future success.

• We are committed to awakening organizations and individuals to
  a new sense of self, a sense of purpose and support a commitment
  to change.

• We promote and foster a new way of doing business - a way that
  will move you creatively through these economic crossroads.

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Betty Lou Hunt is a Coach/Facilitator who operates Prince Rupert Occupational Rehab and is a founding partner of Cornerstones Wellness Centre. She is a Psychology of Vision* trainer with 38 years experience in motivating people to make changes in their lives.

http://www.visionaryleaderscanada.com/index.html (http://www.visionaryleaderscanada.com/index.html)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 09, 2013, 04:13:24 am
There is no confidentiality. During trainings and sessions people are forced to divulge personal history. Advanced trainers dig deep to get information on people, and then talk this over among themselves. Trainers get information on people from community members and family, even estranged family.

So when POV has recruited community leaders and their families, and all those people are busy recruiting others, this makes for a painful sense of exposure and lack of basic privacy for survivors who still live where all this is going on.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 09, 2013, 02:59:00 pm
I believe this is affinity fraud. POV targets communities, recruits leaders, and has them recruit others, all within their own affinity group.

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The people who promote affinity scams often join or pretend to be members of groups. They then convince respected members of the group or religious leaders to help promote the scheme. Often leaders of the organization become the first victims in the scam and unwittingly encourage others within the group to follow suit.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/sk/news-nouvelle/2010-03-29-fraud-fraude-eng.htm (http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/sk/news-nouvelle/2010-03-29-fraud-fraude-eng.htm)

Lency outright claims that she has "joined" with First Nations.

It's a type of pyramid scheme - trainers are encouraged to spend more money for trainings so they can recruit more people and make more money they then can give to the Spezzanos.

It is a fortune telling scam. Chuck keeps people hooked with his daily card readings that sometimes include predictions that bad things will happen if people don't do as he says.

POV is stage hypnosis and magic performance tricks.

POV is aggressive, scorched earth salesmanship. Selling by pounding on people's doors (minds) until someone says "Yes, sign me up".

It is psychological and physical violence, people are very badly mistreated. It is unethical, health info isn't kept confidential, people are not allowed to keep their healthy boundaries, psychology is "practiced" without a license. Harsh gossip is promoted in isolated communities and then mined for more information.

POV is run as a cult. Chuck and Lency channel heavens wishes and blessings.  Worship is encouraged. POV splits up families and bonds each individual to the POV pseudo-family. The top trainers even behave like Chuck and Lency. Anyone who dares leave is harassed and shunned. Chuck has set up an us vs them mentality in his people.

Chuck encourages gambling addiction. He tells people that "our luck" is increased by POV activities and that everyone should gamble.

All the money Chuck is making, where is it going? Is it all being properly legally reported? What businesses and charities is POV involved in? Is Chuck funding his gambling addiction with this long running seminar con?

Research and critique:

http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision)








Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 09, 2013, 07:47:41 pm
The videos Lency Spezzano puts out are difficult to watch. If you can watch one, I recommend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY)

The woman with Lency is Babs Stevens http://povcanada.com/trainers/babs-stevens/ (http://povcanada.com/trainers/babs-stevens/) - a POV trainer and chief administrative officer with the Skidegate Band Council

When Lency starts out with the "today is your birthday", she is using her usual intro, this is the start to the hypnotic induction, she directs us to imagine that it is our birthday, ask for what we want.

You will see Lency make odd hand and arm gestures. She is trained in American Sign Language and has also invented her own sign language for various POV terms. This is also her way to keep focus trained on her.

Babs says "I would like to heal Contact". Now keep in mind, Babs has been part of this Psychology of Vision organization for quite awhile, she has been recruited and is heavily invested.

Lency is a white woman, a con artist, directing and controlling a First Nations leader. Lency runs the show, interprets what Babs is saying, and "heals" her.

Lency says Babs wants to receive the removal of the negative influence of colonization. In fact Lency claims she can remove it from the minds of Babs and others entirely. For generations to come. Then she says this is because there is "only one of us here".

"Only one of us here" is A Course in Miracles slogan that POV uses often. How racist is that? Lency, a white, dominant woman, telling First Nations women that there only "one of us", which in this case means "there is only Lency and her need for money". Obviously there is more than "one of us" in this video, in that room, and everywhere.

Lency talks at length on how committed POV is to First Nations. She claims that POV shares similar values with First Nations "original culture". So she is claiming that diverse First Nations are one "original culture", and that everything is the same, all about oneness.

When she speaks of oneness she is also speaking of Oneness, as in the Oneness Movement that POV is a spin off of.

Lency claims that POV is causing "cultural renaissance" in First Nations communities. Lency makes a somewhat clumsy pitch for more FN families to join.

Lency says POV receives so much back, "so much grace and beauty".

Then Lency's face goes through contortions, she cues the music, and she tells the audience that this is a big one, that we will feel this in our brain.

She tells that if we feel uncomfortable it is okay, it is just things going on in our brain.

Lency takes Babs' hands. The two women laugh, make faces, Lency does a predatory staring routine. All while the music plays, a woman singing about Shakti. Babs has what looks like a mild seizure, Lency sobs and cries.

Lency eventually directs verbally and with a gesture Babs to look at a specific camera. The Shakti music is louder, Lency has a hand on Babs' shoulder, Babs looks like a wreck.

We get to see the audience, women are smiling, one woman is rocking in place (about 10:32). Lency directs another trainer to join them, this is Melissa Meyer, Tsimshian http://povcanada.com/trainers/melissa-meyer/ (http://povcanada.com/trainers/melissa-meyer/)

She's rolled the audience at this point, people are trembling, laughing, one guy has the shakes, the music continues, Lency comments that there are so many people in that room who were suffering from being colonized, implying that they have now all been healed. Lency refers to Melissa as "my daughter" at the end and kisses her.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 10, 2013, 02:56:09 am
Concerning POV charities, this includes past archives of their sites, my use of bolding:

2009

Psychology of Vision communities support at least three charitable funds: VisionAfrica in Zambia, the First Nations in Canada and Bethsaida Orphanage in Kerala, India.

None of these charities are ‘registered’; this minimises running costs and ensures that the money raised goes directly to the people in need.

It is our belief that through relationship with all involved we offer the greatest benefit to all parties; our giving is personal and we work to build communities.

As many of you already know we have received many generous donations and collected thousands of pounds, dollars, euros etc. We would like to thank all of you who have donated to these funds over the years, and appreciate everything that has been given or will be given.

Thousands of people around the world also appreciate all you have given and they know that they are not alone whatever their circumstances.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090523211154/http://www.pov-int.com/charities (http://web.archive.org/web/20090523211154/http://www.pov-int.com/charities)

2011

Psychology of Vision communities support at least four charitable funds: VisionAfrica in Zambia, the First Nations in Canada and Bethsaida Orphanage in Kerala, India and a community in Bangladesh.

None of these charities are ‘registered’; this minimises running costs and ensures that all the money raised goes directly to the people in need.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110326103328/http://www.pov-int.com/charities (http://web.archive.org/web/20110326103328/http://www.pov-int.com/charities)

2013

The Psychology of Vision community supports a number of charities or funds, sometimes by arranging special events or by collecting money during a seminar. The money is used in various ways, to see how please click on the links below to access the website pages dedicated to the fund. In all cases it is not simply about giving a financial hand out, the guiding principles of the Psychology of Vision are also applied.

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/about/charities-and-funds/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/about/charities-and-funds/) follow the links on that page to their individual charity pages - "The First Nations Fund is administered by Susan How at the Psychology of Vision Canada office on a volunteer basis." , Vision Zambia, registered charity in UK, run by Master POV Trainer Jeff Allen http://www.visionzambia.co.uk/ (http://www.visionzambia.co.uk/) , something in India with websites aimed at German and Swiss, something in Bangladesh that originates in Japan http://www.cocoro-v.org/english/index.html
 (http://www.cocoro-v.org/english/index.html)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 10, 2013, 02:50:42 pm
Chuck Spezzano does a daily divination card routine that keeps people focused on him via Facebook and elsewhere. They are all psycho-babble, but this one actually does deserve being highlighted. Chuck got locked out of the hotel internet and so of course this means that the terrorist shadows in his mind sabotaged him. You know, how they do.

He directs us to find out just how many terrorist shadows we have in our mind. So this means many of his followers are doing exactly that today. Looking for terrorist shadows in the hidden part of their mind, believing these shadows cause sabotage even out in the physical world, then doing religious practices to somehow heal this. Or something like that.

People can believe what they want, behavior is what mattters. Chuck promotes these beliefs to keep people extremely confused and unable to function - and more likely to give him $.

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HEALING THE TERRORIST SHADOW

HEALING THE TERRORIST SHADOW is the card for today. It is a hidden part of the mind that sabotages you and what you are doing, which obviously happened to me as I tried to write about this card and got locked out of the hotel internet. Ask how many you have. Forgive yourself and your belief system and put them all in Heaven's Hands...Have a good one!

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2013/10/healing-terrorist-shadow.html?view=classic (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2013/10/healing-terrorist-shadow.html?view=classic)

Chuck has also used the phrase "crazy wisdom" for one of his cards, this is a big waving red flag. Gurus who claim they use crazy wisdom use this as an excuse for anything they do to their followers, including abuse them. No matter what, they have an escape clause "I ripped you off because that was the only way to enlighten you and free you from your terrorist shadows.".
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on October 10, 2013, 03:36:34 pm
Quote
Lency Spezzano Provides Today's Entertaining Consumer Alert! http://www.mortythedog.com/2013/10/lency-spezzano-provides-todays.html

Yes, Piff, that video is the most bizarre.  It is especially hilarious to see it in the still photos, however, as mortythedog puts on his site and you have copied above.

I have just finished reading the ebook "Stripping the Gurus" for which Al put a link on this this site some time ago (and I just now got around to reading), and the author, Geoffrey Falk, talks about the "crazy wisdom" which so many of the gurus utilize.  "This may hurt but it is for your own good" is the idea there, and you can see it with Chuck (Chunk, as Morty refers to him -- I thought it was a typo at first, but it isn't) and Lency so much.  Yes, crazy, crazy, crazy!
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 10, 2013, 05:13:49 pm
Quote
Lency Spezzano Provides Today's Entertaining Consumer Alert! http://www.mortythedog.com/2013/10/lency-spezzano-provides-todays.html

Yes, Piff, that video is the most bizarre.  It is especially hilarious to see it in the still photos, however, as mortythedog puts on his site and you have copied above.

I have just finished reading the ebook "Stripping the Gurus" for which Al put a link on this this site some time ago (and I just now got around to reading), and the author, Geoffrey Falk, talks about the "crazy wisdom" which so many of the gurus utilize.  "This may hurt but it is for your own good" is the idea there, and you can see it with Chuck (Chunk, as Morty refers to him -- I thought it was a typo at first, but it isn't) and Lency so much.  Yes, crazy, crazy, crazy!

This "crazy wisdom" stuff, looks like it is a Nuage guru's  favorite way of dodging responsibility. "This may hurt but it is for your own good" - an excuse for making people vomit, cry, scream, laugh hysterically in Chuck's seminars.

Osho/ Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh claimed he was a master of crazy wisdom too.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 10, 2013, 05:24:06 pm
Survivors report that Chuck Spezzano has been invited numerous times to potlatches and Haida historical events, but he never honors those invitations. Instead he pushes people to provide venues and funds for his own events.

Elders and others say "Why hand over so much power to those people they are not even here?".

Survivors say that Chuck is a coward. That he may fire off his terrorist mind missiles in the form of his daily card readings, but he can not defeat First Nations communities.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on October 10, 2013, 06:37:07 pm

This "crazy wisdom" stuff, looks like it is a Nuage guru's  favorite way of dodging responsibility. "This may hurt but it is for your own good" - an excuse for making people vomit, cry, scream, laugh hysterically in Chuck's seminars.

Osho/ Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh claimed he was a master of crazy wisdom too.

Yes, Piff, and be sexually abused and hand over all your worldly possessions -- but it is for your own good, your "enlightenment".
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 10, 2013, 11:33:04 pm
Chuck made use of the 9/11 tragedy for his next November newsletter.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011212153953/http://www.visionhosts.co.uk/newsletter_now.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20011212153953/http://www.visionhosts.co.uk/newsletter_now.htm)

THE WORLD & BUSINESS AFTER SEPTEMBER 11TH
Chuck Spezzano


September 11th was a wake-up call to Business, the West and all of us individually. Such an experience of personal and collective catastrophe depicts a mastery level test of human consciousness. We take such tests, either at a shamanic or mastery level, in an effort to leap up in consciousness. If we fail a shamanic level test it feels like our heart has been ripped out. A mastery level test is even more grave and if we don’t pass the test it feels as if our world has collapsed. These tests can either kill or gain power in consciousness for us.


In the next one hundred years the world will undergo more of a profound change than it has in thousands of years, and it is likely that Business will change most of all. This will occur because if the world is to change, and it must if we are to prevent catastrophic and cataclysmic events, Business will be both the fulcrum and the platform for this change. By giving birth to itself at a whole new level, it will become the midwife of the future.


To accomplish this level of leadership, Business must change both its ethics and its goals. It can no longer think in the short term but must take a long, wholistic view. Anything other than this will prove to be both self defeating and bad economics. When this occurs we all pay for the profit of a few.


Business can no longer afford attitudes of ‘take the money and run’ or ‘slash and burn’ economics. We must think ecologically, not just of the environment, but in terms of the whole world as one household. We must include off the ledger costs as well as those normally on it. Our new economic vision must include three generations in its outlook rather than just our own perspective. When we have included not only our children but all the children now and to come, Business will finally have the perspective that it is meant to have, not just now but one that works for all time.


The new Business, which will come from a place of high vision, integrity and leadership, will speak from a place of both common sense and right mindedness. This will be remarkably effective both in the long and the short run because it will no longer seek to take advantage or sell superfluous commodities that don’t add value. Business will maximize its effectiveness by right relationships, wholistic intent and global inclusion.


The September 11th attack was a wake up call for Business most of all. An attack was made on the symbolic center of Business, the World Trade Centre and it collapsed. This catastrophic event was carried out by terrorists, religious fanatics coming from disenfranchised people. The goal of Business in the next one hundred years is to enfranchise and include everyone. This is possible for Business in the next hundred if it first changes its attitude and goals.


To ignore the need for inclusion is a mistake of catastrophic proportion, which will gear the world toward war economies. War is always bad for Business, people and the environment. It engages in a win-lose attitude, rather than an integrative one. This produces loss and defeat in the long, and sometimes short-term, for any who continue in the win-lose way. Business must overcome what it sees as the dichotomy between profit and an all inclusive or Integrative Attitude.


The Integrative Attitude is initially a bigger challenge as it addresses the underlying quality of issues. It naturally recognizes the importance of learning and joining to find the way forward. This Integrative Attitude, which brings about new levels of partnership, also has greater ease, freedom, success and long term solutions.


Business must overcome its short-sighted, reactive approach, understand the long-term trends both in Business and Society to realize the remarkable opportunities present. Business vision must necessarily include the unfolding of world and societal progress as a major factor, otherwise it will still keep trying to conduct Business as it has always been done, which will fall far short in the coming times.


Business must become a true partner and friend to government because it will be called upon to support, help and share both the responsibility and leadership. It will instruct in better business practice and in some cases be called upon to bail-out and eventually take over many government services. It can only do this if Business’s goal changes from money and winning to wholistic, economic success and wellness. This will be not only for Business, but also for the population at large.


International companies will recognize that they are not just multi-cultural but transcultural, taking the best of all cultures into a new and unique culture, that helps people become citizens of the world.


Business will recognize itself as the key factor for unity, peace and prosperity in the next one hundred years. Business must carry the vision, keep the faith and lead the way for change.


This can only happen if there is a personal transformation of ethics. The longer Business tries to conduct business as usual, the more opportunities will be lost. Business has the potential to shorten time immeasurably in new levels of prosperity and unity. Business’s gift of taking advantage of opportunities and the desire for a greater effectiveness will be the inspiration which will initially move it to see a new and better way forward.


When we are motivated for a new vision in Business, which will work not just for those in Business but for everyone, it will occur. Whether we move forward through inspiration and truth or pain and necessity is up to us. Confucius once wrote that the smart horse moves at the shadow of the whip.


September 11th
The depth of the wound and the drama of September suggests a soul wound, something which was deep in our collective consciousness. Basically something of this magnitude comes directly from our unconscious. This means that the issue, though deeply repressed, erupts to the surface to be healed. These are parts of our own mind judged, fragmented, repressed and projected on the world outside of us.


The first and most obvious factor to be healed from the unconscious is that of shadow figures. In the last week I have heard people present Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, President Bush and the United States Government (for bombing) as shadow figures. Obviously, terrorist shadow figures reflect both our collective conscious, and our unconscious minds. We must each find the part of ourselves that we have judged, dis-enfranchised, repressed and projected and heal them.


Our thoughts, beliefs and self-concepts that we have buried, give rise to the world around us. Within our own minds these shadows are the parts that chase us in nightmares. They just want to come home; they are the parts that psychologically need to be accepted, welcomed back and re-integrated lest there be even worse times or challenges ahead.


Western society has been collectively poised at the brink of entering a new stage of partnership for the Earth, which has the effect of bringing about new levels of peace and prosperity. When we enter this stage, we finally will have the collective courage and willingness to re-open and re-enter the unconscious mind, which as children and adolescents most of us cemented over out of fear.


The unconscious or soul level of the mind contains those elements which, like the subconscious, are threatening to the ego. In this unconscious there are levels of pain and transcendent joy that we don’t want to face. There is within our unconscious mind the power of miracles and that which can transcend the natural laws. The unconscious mind contains a symbolic, mythic and energetic world full of ‘demons,’ ‘dragons’ and ‘treasure.’ As the unconscious comes to the surface we can face catastrophic or cataclysmic events or we can experience a time of unparalleled partnership, friendship and cooperation.


If we partially succeed as seems the case with the September 11th events, we will have aspects of both catastrophe and cooperation.


What occurs in the future for better or worse depends on all of us. The key factor is whether we take a healing attitude that brings us together or a reactive, judgmental attitude that divides us. We are now in a window of healing, grace and guidance flooding the Earth. This has been going on for the last two years and will continue for at least another eleven. This is meant to be the turning point in consciousness for the Earth, a stepping beyond dissociated independence and a real step into world partnership and interdependence. This will help everyone, even those not yet at this level.


If there is fear of this next step or if we fail to see the way then there will be some sort of catastrophic undoing. This is why it is important for all of us to commit to a better way, a next step. We have all experienced ‘undoing’ in our lives, where things were going forward smoothly and then fell apart in some form of sabotage. At a psychological level, all sabotage is really a form of self-sabotage and the ‘undoer,’ the ‘destroyer’ and the ‘terrorist’ are key shadow elements of our own mind. If we don’t accept and integrate these back into ourselves then we will have to face them again later.


On an international scale, even if we defeat the terrorists it will be only a stop gap measure for the next ten to twenty years and the problem will be worse next time. At this stage our responses and solutions must become qualitative rather than reactive. We must find a way to enfranchise and help all the people of the earth or there will remain a fertile breeding ground for terrorists.


We must effectively raise the consciousness of the Earth, healing ourselves, joining in partnership, friendship and raising the standard of living for the whole earth.


For the most part what we can do personally has to do with watching our own minds. We will either be part of the solution or part of the problem. We must remain proactive through attitudes of friendship and healing ourselves or we will fall into the traps of fear, negativity and power struggle. Going forward together with confidence is precisely what we need for the world to move into this new stage of friendship, partnership and collective prosperity. A war or any type of conflict reflects a war within ourselves and it generates fear it which also reflects a fear of going forward as in any power struggle.


Our stepping up and positive attitude is the biggest contribution we can make toward peace at this time. This gives us the awareness of our need to heal and join when we get reactive, angry, depressed or fearful. We can only suffer pain or become reactive in fear or anger when we have acted negatively toward someone.


One easy way to correct our mind is to re-choose and respond to that person with love and compassion. This attitude of no-judgement doesn’t permit others to hurt us as that would set us both back, but it allows us to act and respond in such a way to always make the situation better. Only with love will a situation get better. Only with love can there be a miracle or a jump in consciousness.


What we can do is to frequently examine our feelings and our attitudes toward those with whom we work and live and those around the world. Anyone we are thinking or acting lovelessly toward is someone we could help rather than hinder. Whenever we judge someone, we don’t see them, we see the parts of ourselves that we dislike or hate. Through giving support and love we can all contribute and progress. Whatever we do, we will now do it together.


'The World and Business since September 11st' has been written for the soon to be published VISIONS magazine Volume 3, Fall/ Winter edition. If you would like

to receive a copy of VISIONS please contact your Country Coordinator, or

email Psychology of Vision Promotions LLC - promotions@psychologyofvision.com

- and the issue will be mailed to you.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 11, 2013, 06:51:36 pm
The 10 Day Apprenticeship program to be held Tuesday, October 15 – Thursday, October 24, 2013 in Hawaii has sold out. 50 people, $3,000 tuition, unless you've already done their 100 Day, then you only have to pay 1,500. So even if everyone got the 100 Day grad rate, that is $75,000 the Spezzanos make. Just for that one event.

The apprenticeship tuition does not include lodging, food, or transportation.

In order to get that special deal of only $1,500, you've already done 30 days of other apprenticeship programs. Doing so would cost about $9,000 total. Plus you've taken the Steps to Leadership program, not really clear how much that costs, but it does cost, both money and time.

And there is more stuff you have to do. So a possible low ball figure of how much a person has spent before being eligible for the $1,500 apprenticeship rate is easily $10,000.

A person who has already invested $10,000 in POV, plus missed paid employment time, missed family and community time, has in the process had their brain washed over and over again. They've been love bombed and generally messed over.

Now they can pay for the apprenticeship. Plus their travel, lodging, food, missed work time etc. For about 10 days they are worked over some more.

Probably they want an hour worth of one on one with Chuck Spezzano, that costs $1,000.

There are books and study materials to buy, Then people can take the Mastery Program, $4,000. This gives you a 10 day event, webinars through out a year, 50% off of a coaching session.

At this point, you probably sound like this:

Quote
I look in your eyes and feel God’s beauty
Way beyond and transcending any role, rule or duty
Feeding us to fullness on every level
Helping us to eradicate every demon and devil
Working tirelessly to get us all here to this spot
Where we can each go inside and untie every knot
We wholeheartedly thank you over and over again
Helping us all to heal every problem, hurt, wound and/or pain
You are part of God’s Foundation that feed our souls
Helping to reach Oneness as our only goal
You help raise our Spirit’s in delightful ways
You truly are the Brilliance of God’s Great Rays

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/Seminars/MasteryFeedback.htm (http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/Seminars/MasteryFeedback.htm)

And you probably now want to become a POV trainer. In order to do that, one requirement is to be able to "pass on Miracles easily". Along with all the other hefty costs for continuing seminars and sessions, the entry level fee is $4,500.

Once you are a trainer you cannot rest. You have to keep to a strict schedule of requirements, and you keep paying $.
http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Autumn on October 12, 2013, 06:02:36 am
I wondered if the Spezzano's two children were involved in the family business, but it appears they are busy elsewhere.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano is a photographer and seems to be living now in New York and working for a media company.  He is a photographer and has posted quite a few photos online and, from what I can gather, sells them and donates the proceeds to charity.  I attached one of his photos of his dad at the beach that he posted on a blog.  Chunk's (Chuck's) hair was darker then, since the photo was posted in 2004.

http://cspezzphotos.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-h-spezzano/B/930/16A

J'aime Leilani Spezzano is an actress/artist.  I wonder if she taught Lency any of her moves?

https://www.facebook.com/JLSpezzanoActress
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2684205/
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 13, 2013, 01:02:05 am
Chuck tells followers that if they are stuck in traffic and late for something, they can use their minds to slow things down, suspend time. They should relax as they do this, and then they will arrive at their destination in plenty of time. Chuck suggests this often and really wants followers to try it, whenever people are busy and possibly going to be late.

Ex-members say that practicing this altered state of consciousness while driving a vehicle is not safe, and may be partly responsible for the apparent higher rate of accidents followers get into.

Lency Spezzano often tells people during her performances that nothing is real, everything is just a projection upon an imaginary screen. Lency taps her water bottle and says that this and everything else, is not real.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 13, 2013, 12:11:41 pm
Everyone has to sign waivers and have this witnessed and cosigned before being allowed into a workshop room. The waiver states that POV is not accountable for any outcome from participating in the workshop. People are not given copies of this.

There is no informed consent. No info given on the true credentials of the Spezzanos and trainers, no license number given, no accurate description of techniques and methods used, and no time frame given as to how long treatment will be. There are no evaluations written up and available in client files.

Chuck Spezzano says his goal is to bring psychology to the world, but this is not about healthy psychology at all. He's not licensed, he is not supervised, he doesn't give informed consent, and he is experimenting on people while he takes their money.

Under these circumstances, Chuck and Lency and their trainers should never be working with Residential School Survivors, especially never with their memories.

Quotes from survivors researching POV:

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When we began to research more about the care of Residential school survivors , trauma treatment was mentioned many times. As we researched trauma treatment we  discovered that there are serious laws and regulations around trauma treatment and mental health. If residential school survivors are entering a process of trauma treatment and especially memory trauma treatment there are standards of care that licensed practitioners are responsible for. If deemed that malpractice occurred than the following standards of care would be violated:

1)     failure to secure consultation or supervision

2)     practice in isolation, the quality of which significantly departs from the quality of practice generally accepted by the peer community

3)     failure to adequately document the treatment

4)     failure to demonstrate knowledge of and adherence to mental health law and ethical principals

5)     failure to demonstrate knowledge of or ability to utilize in treatment the available authoritative clinical & scientific literature on trauma treatment

Unlicensed practitioners may not be sued for malpractice but they certainly may be sued for negligence.

Hypnosis should be used only by licensed health and mental professionals with advanced degrees within their area of expertise. Lay persons using these techniques with potentially traumatic material may be illegally practicing psychotherapy. Those who conduct trauma treatment need to be qualified.

At a minimum professional practice entails meeting the requirements for licensure as a health service provider at an independent level, this means the practitioner has fulfilled the minimum requirements of successfully completing an accredited organized clinical degree and a program including its requirement participation in a number of supervised clinical practica, an intensive clinical internship , residency, and or post-doctoral fellowship.

Those who are not licensed at an independent level are expected to practice under the supervision of licensed professionals who have clinical and legal responsibility  for their cases.

Therapists using hypnosis should be familiar with the most current legal rulings in their jurisdiction regarding admissibility of hypnotically refreshed recollection. Therapists should have a working knowledge prior to doing trauma treatment: developmental theory, models of memory, suggestibility, trauma theory ,dissociation ,psychopathology and assessment.

A therapist has a duty to sufficiently inform a prospective client about the nature of the treatment to be provided ,especially about its limitations and risks.

These notes are from Memory Trauma Treatment and The Law, recommended reading for those who have been mistreated .
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 16, 2013, 04:37:29 pm
Lency Spezzano has replied to some of the comments on Youtube that are critical of her hypnosis videos:

 Lency Spezzano 12 hours ago

Dear Sal R, I can understand that the healing? method is not understood by you - it is? a radical technique that requires emotional courage - clearly not for everybody. But why the character assassination? Why go to every video we have shared on Youtube to leave the message that we are cons running a scam? Is that the only motivation you can imagine for what we do - money? All the seminars that Chuck and I have taught in First Nations communities were ones we donated; feedback is always great

 Lency Spezzano 12 hours ago

There are about 50 of us PoV Trainers around the world, and so far none of us has gotten rich off leading the trainings. :) It? is a high overhead business, and it is a challenging lifestyle. Calling PoV seminar participants "victims"? whom we hypnotize and abuse is an insult to thousands of people world-wide who truly value the work.

 Lency Spezzano 12 hours ago

If we were damaging? people we? would have heard about it from them, or from witnesses of that abuse. What is your motivation for attacking us so strongly? I know some people enjoy writing nasty things on the internet, but you clearly have your own agenda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HcGBhxo6Fk&feature=c4-overview&list=UU_Haw3QSCIkiAJGBTPaHxrg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HcGBhxo6Fk&feature=c4-overview&list=UU_Haw3QSCIkiAJGBTPaHxrg)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 16, 2013, 04:54:33 pm
Survivors report that Chuck and Lency Spezzano are often told that their workshops have caused serious damage in people's lives.

One participant, a native women, "actually said right to Lency's face in front of a large first nations workshop in North vancouver (the room was probably about 200 participants) that she felt it was a mind fuck what she was experiencing" from their work. The woman said she had done a seminar in June, and it was now October, and she was still suffering and not coping very well.

"Lency stood up front of everyone and said yes, this is a mind fuck, that is what we are doing here."

No compassion or concern was shown for the woman reporting distress.

Lency has often spoken publicly about being called a cult leader, her reply is that people just don't understand, that POV is all about healing, and any who criticize are just trying to attack their healing work.

"It doesn't matter what complaint you have , they will always turn it into an issue of 'rebellion, shadow, or the dark soul patterns' "

Some people have experienced psychotic events from POV that have affected their lives for years.

Some people have been kicked out of POV trainings, one woman for having an extreme reaction, one man for being too sexually aggressive, among others.

People who have been damaged aren't checked in on, there is no healthy supportive follow up, they are considered rejects and throw aways. Of  course, it is actually good that POV doesn't continue to mess with them, it gives people an opportunity to recover.

Hopefully anyone who has been damaged and rejected by POV will get help. Don't believe what Chuck and Lency Spezzano say, they are con artists.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 16, 2013, 08:21:33 pm
In 2009 Chuck and Lency Spezzano did an event in California - Next Evolution: Mastery of Heart, Mind, & Spirit

The Next Evolution
Mastery of Mind, Heart, & Spirit

October 10-12, 2009
Marina Del Rey, California
The new era that lies before us provides a tremendous opportunity to:
• Evolve Your Self
Evolve Your Health
• Evolve Your Relationships
• Evolve Your Prosperity
The 3-day seminar will include:
• Practical Tools to Live a Happier Life
• Healing Skill Development Exercises
• Yoga and Meditation

Psychology pioneers Chuck and Lency Spezzano will be leading sessions for people on the healing path, whether the goal is self-discovery or a desire to deepen intuitive insights.
Learn how to:
• Bring to light harmful issues from within and resolve them quickly
• Inspire creativity, purpose and fulfillment
• Find solutions where everyone wins

Leading yoga instructor and sound therapist, Guru Singh is an authority on Kundalini Yoga and an accomplished composer and musician. He will be facilitating the use of meditation, yoga postures, mantra and sound to restore physical, mental and emotional harmonies.
Learn how to:
• Use mantras in combination with rhythmic breathing to sharpen your mental focus
• Become aware of and use your prana – life force – to heal and empower yourself
• Remove patterns of competitive, limiting emotions and thoughts
• Achieve the sacred purpose of your life

3 days - $595

http://nextevolution.eventbrite.com/ (http://nextevolution.eventbrite.com/)

In Lency's promo video she says that she and Chuck "resonate" with Guru Singh's vision.

Guru Singh http://www.gurusingh.com/ (http://www.gurusingh.com/)

Guru Singh is a devotee of Yogi Bhajan http://www.gurusingh.com/qa-with-guru-singh-7/ (http://www.gurusingh.com/qa-with-guru-singh-7/)

http://yogibhajan.tripod.com/id17.html (http://yogibhajan.tripod.com/id17.html)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 16, 2013, 09:12:53 pm
Dec 2009 Facebook note from Lency Spezzano:

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This evening Chuck and I initiated 20 Apprenticeship participants into becoming Oneness Blessing Givers. Such a sweet evening! Thank you AmmaBhagavan! XXXXXXX

Also from 2009:

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Chuck has finished a wonderful training for Buddhist Monks and Nuns in Taiwan

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Lency and Chuck are back home together in Oahu, Hawaii together after their travels to Europe, Canada, USA, China, Taiwan, Singapore (and that's just recently) They've facilitated healing with Buddhist Monks and Nuns. First Nations of BC. Executive Chinese Businessmen and women. A very, very wide range of European, Asian, North American, South American, Australasian and African men and women. children, babies and parents fathers and grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers (add 'Great' to elders).

2010:

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We had a spectacular day of healing for our PoV Steering Committee, and our Trainers' Conference opened with a beautiful day of sweet grace via Chuck. Day Two will be mine. Every day more Trainers are initiated as Blessing Givers as well. Profound commitment to the coming victory of mankind.

2011:

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In the early days, I would stand in front of the seminar group and, by simply loving them, make people cry.

Skype Enlightenment Process:

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I'm not going to attempt to pull the Apprenticeship participants into enlightenment, because the group mind isn't stable enough. Some people would be overwhelmed and frightened by the self discovery. I will wait to do the enlightenment process in my 5 day seminars, or in private sessions, where everybody there knows what they are getting into.



Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 17, 2013, 01:30:45 pm
I wondered if the Spezzano's two children were involved in the family business, but it appears they are busy elsewhere.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano is a photographer and seems to be living now in New York and working for a media company.  He is a photographer and has posted quite a few photos online and, from what I can gather, sells them and donates the proceeds to charity.  I attached one of his photos of his dad at the beach that he posted on a blog.  Chunk's (Chuck's) hair was darker then, since the photo was posted in 2004.

http://cspezzphotos.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_archive.html
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-h-spezzano/B/930/16A

J'aime Leilani Spezzano is an actress/artist.  I wonder if she taught Lency any of her moves?

https://www.facebook.com/JLSpezzanoActress
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2684205/

Interesting that neither of the Spezzano children look to be POV trainers, "Oneness Blessing Givers", or working other types of nuage seminar scams.

Chuck has three siblings, his brother has been listed in public records at the same address as Chuck and Lency, but haven't seen mention of him being active with the company.

Lency is involved in an Arizona business with her brother

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=L09869170&type=CORPORATION (http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name-id=L09869170&type=CORPORATION)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 17, 2013, 01:59:21 pm
I assumed that the Spezzanos were doing their own spin on Oneness Blessings, but I'm wrong, this is straight up Oneness Movement.

Pam Carruthers, a POV trainer:
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Pam is now a Oneness Blessing Giver, so the Grace and healing is accelerated for everyone.
http://www.healingstars.com/healing-workshops/ (http://www.healingstars.com/healing-workshops/)

From Lency's Facebook:

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Oneness
December 8, 2009 at 2:08am

This evening Chuck and I initiated 20 Apprenticeship participants into becoming Oneness Blessing Givers. Such a sweet evening! Thank you AmmaBhagavan! XXXXXXX
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2013, 12:15:43 am
Fulfilling the Promise, Living the Vision
Dr. Chuck and Lency Spezzano.
Canyon de Chelly, Arizona, USA
October 16, 17 and 18, 2002.

Many promises were made by the US government to American Indian tribes to provide care and support for material necessities and responsibility for cultural preservation as outlined by the United States Trust Doctrine. These legal and binding agreements and compacts are known as "Treaties". Often times, US government and military representatives traveled to First Nation territories and communities to meet with and hold council with tribal leaders in order to make these agreements official, formal and legal. American Indian tribes and their leadership accepted and hosted these historic treaty meetings with the utmost sincerity and seriousness. Under traditional protocol persons were identified and introduced, words shared, explanations given; then under the perception of truth, negotiated terms were agreed upon, consecrated by a ceremony and blessed with a prayer, the Creator being a witness to both the spoken and written word. These treaties were the supreme and final communion from one human being to another, from one nation to another for the good of the people and generations to come. It is important to note that during many of these treaty negotiations tribal leaders and nations agreed to these treaties under great duress and hardship i.e. starvation, disease, forced relocation and loss of life, and many times limited English was only known and spoken by Indian interpreters.

Four hundred and fifty five treaties were signed by the US government and American Indian tribes. The US government violated provisions in everyone of these 455 treaties. American Indians never once violated or broke their word in any one of those 455 treaties. Today, American Indians live and see the consequences of those broken promises; they face ongoing challenges in achieving the quality of life and existence for which their ancestors sacrificed their lives, land, language, traditions and natural resources, all for the love of their children, elders, women and future generations.

As descendents of First Nations, it is difficult to forget the sacrifices, injustices and suffering experienced by ancestors and grandparents. Events such as Cherokee removal and the Trail of Tears and the Navajo Long Walk are important historical lessons that still profoundly impact native communities today. Through processes of healing and reconciliation, we can continue to address and support quality of life choices in respective native communities and governments in order to facilitate a process that Indian people may define, identify and promote integrity, empowerment, joy and vision.

Psychology of Vision is a healing model used around the world. It has proven very effective in facilitating and supporting the healing of First Nations people and communities. Through the marriage of the principles of psychology and spirituality, POV introduces a model of wellness and healing that heals the "traps and blocks" in the mind and uncovers the hidden gifts everyone has.

The POV model addresses and challenges individuals through processes of integration and joining, calling upon the help of the higher mind to seek and embrace higher vision as well as accepting Grace and Joy as part of life's experience. POV has been proven to work with people of all ages, cultures, and spiritual beliefs. POV workshops are currently held in North America and Hawaii, Asia, Europe and Africa.

Since 1991 Chuck and Lency Spezzano have been traveling to different areas of British Columbia, Canada, working pro bono with First Nations, reaching a greater number of people who otherwise would not have experienced the POV model. This has facilitated the healing of hundreds of people/families affected by the devastation caused by residential schools in Canada (known as boarding schools in the U.S.). While attending a healing retreat in Canada in June 2002, Fidel Moreno was particularly impressed and moved by witnessing such profound healing of survivors of these residential schools. Fidel's experience of this work has expanded his vision of the healing of American Indian communities in the U.S.; he has witnessed how Psychology of Vision really addresses issues such as multi-generational grief, depression, anger, rage and violence as well as historical traumas. His vision in assisting American Indian communities was one shared by the Spezzanos, who had been praying to meet someone to help them share their gift of the Psychology of Vision with American First Nations people.

Bringing Chuck and Lency Spezzano to Canyon de Chelly is fulfilling Fidel's vision of introducing Psychology of Vision to the First Nations of the United States. Chuck and Lency have agreed to facilitate, pro bono, this 3 day retreat/workshop for the Díne First Nation.

In the last four years the Spezzanos have fund raised well over $200,000 to train a number of First Nation facilitators and an even greater number of First Nation students committed to becoming facilitators. These First Nation facilitators are currently involved in First Nation communities, providing healing through the teachings of POV as well as continuing to work on themselves. Some of these First Nation facilitators will be involved in the 3 day retreat at Canyon de Chelly located in Chinle, Arizona.

This 3 day retreat and workshop will address historical trauma, multi-generational grief, family and relationship issues, problem solving (which may include addiction or health issues) and cycles of violence. Exercises of integration and joining will focus on self-value, self-healing, family healing and community wellness through higher mind, higher purpose and higher vision workshop processes. We are asking for your agency and your branch of the Díne Nation to support the Canyon de Chelly retreat and the healing of First Nations people by posting and distributing information regarding retreat/workshop dates and location to as many agencies and programs as possible. Fees for workshop/retreat are being waived for First Nations participants of the US; each participant will be responsible for their travel, lodging and food expenses and arrangements. The retreat/workshop fee for non-First Nation participants is $650USD. Everyone is welcome.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021012103336/http://www.psychologyofvision.com/canyondechelly.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20021012103336/http://www.psychologyofvision.com/canyondechelly.htm)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2013, 03:42:23 pm
I don't know if Fidel Moreno (Healing Winds http://www.healingwinds.net/about.html (http://www.healingwinds.net/about.html) ) has done any further work with Psychology of Vision. He does have many POV people on his Facebook friends list, including Chuck Spezzano.

I haven't found any post reviewing the Canyon de Chelly 2002 event, nor any evidence that POV did further trainings there.

Looking through past archived POV forums - there are many distressed, hurting, confused people posting, asking questions and sharing life challenges with POV people who are not trained, not licensed, not keeping health confidentiality, with people giving really bad advice.

Serious depression, abusive relationships, addictions - all answered with psychobabble.

Lency gives some particularly bad advice in these forums. No matter what the issue, Lency will suggest more "joinings". more hypnosis, more indoctrination into the POV cultic mind.

Chuck & Lency are a form of cancer quacks, as are their trainers who preach the gospel of http://www.healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm (http://www.healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm) This Healing A-Z stuff looks an awful lot like Louise Hay's Heal Your Body A -Z book http://www.hayhouse.com/details.php?id=273 (http://www.hayhouse.com/details.php?id=273)

Trainers have to keep recruiting, keep developing followers, keep churning out workshops, in order to keep their trainer status and perhaps advance. Trainers doing workshops for women with breast cancer are especially appalling because their motivation is to keep their POV training status, and because the psychobabble blames the victim.

Chuck Spezzano likes sci-fi and fantasy books, this is evident in his "teachings". His divination card for today is:

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HEALING THE SOUL STEALER SHADOW is the card for today. This is a person who through the use of unconscious, magical power is able to leach off energy and even stop someone's evolutionary progress by seemingly stealing their very souls to use the energy for their own dark magical ends. It is a rare shadow but one whose hatred within us can lead to virulent self-attack. it is time to forgive these beliefs about our- selves and melt down the shadows to add their energy to our wholeness

This is a great example of how Chuck Spezzano works hard to keep his followers scared. This is an example of his creating a false us vs. them dynamic. Chuck and Lency keep their followers close, and tell them that the outside world just doesn't understand, isn't mature enough for POV healing, and that it contains danger.

Followers of Chuck and Lency Spezzano can never rest. Because not only do they have to fear outsiders, they also have to fear their own internal bad stuff that supposedly rises from their psyches for healing. Also, any problems POV followers see in their environment are supposedly their own inner bad stuff rising up for healing. This is endless. Chuck cranks out divination card readings, books, newsletters, to keep people hooked on his every word, as if he has answers for everything. Chuck even claims that he has special understanding of political and world events. And followers end up doing things like joinings with their idea of Dick Cheney as a result.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 18, 2013, 09:21:26 pm
More on that "joining" with Dick Cheney bit:

from Lency Spezzano:
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posted 15 March 2003 08:01 PM          Thanks Julian - I was surprised to see how much aggression and fear I felt when I joined with Mr. Cheney. Wow! I think this is the person we should really focus on. The other guys seem so mild now in comparison. Thank you all for doing this work. XXX L

from a follower:
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posted 16 March 2003 09:04 PM      Dick Cheney is a very hard nut to soften. Maybe I just imagined a cuddly bunny wanting recognition. However, it is good to suspend judgement if only for a moment and let something else through: a miracle. Love to you all at this crucial time, you are inspirational.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040216092657/http://www.psychologyofvision.com/frameforum.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040216092657/http://www.psychologyofvision.com/frameforum.htm)

People can believe what they want. If people want to "join" with Dick Cheney and they aren't harming themselves or others in the process, there is no problem. But POV uses beliefs like this to keep people hooked and paying for very expensive endless seminars.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2013, 02:22:38 pm
Resources

Exposing Psychology of Vision http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision)

Ngystle Society http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Ngystle_Society (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Ngystle_Society)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2013, 03:29:43 pm
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Back in 1984, when Chuck was the minister of Windward Unity Church here on Oahu, he taught a number of weekend retreats for the congregation.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041214035343/http://psychologyofvision.com/newsletter_2003.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20041214035343/http://psychologyofvision.com/newsletter_2003.htm)

Chuck Spezzano now says he was enlightened by The Oneness Movement, and he teaches their practices to his followers.

The entire Unity Church is currently dealing with being infiltrated by The Oneness Movement scam http://dougbottorff.com/category/oneness-blessing-fraud/ (http://dougbottorff.com/category/oneness-blessing-fraud/)

I asked the Unity Church if Chuck is still a minister, their reply: "He is no longer a minister with Unity."
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on October 20, 2013, 07:20:15 pm
If Chuck is not a minister , does that mean all the people he married and babies he baptised in his workshops are also just as bogus as his Psychology Of Vision "healing" model/program ??
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2013, 10:26:08 pm
If Chuck is not a minister , does that mean all the people he married and babies he baptised in his workshops are also just as bogus as his Psychology Of Vision "healing" model/program ??

Baptism is not a legal procedure, it is religious, but I wonder just what he says he is baptizing the babies in? What religion? Or, is it -his- religion, and he is the top minister/guru?

With marriages, the legal part will vary according to the location.  In some places Chuck would need to be an actual minister, maybe he is a minister in the Oneness Movement? I wonder if all those marriages he's performed are actually legit?
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 20, 2013, 10:56:32 pm
For instance, in Hawaii a marriage performer needs to be licensed http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/licensing-of-marriage-performers/ (http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/licensing-of-marriage-performers/) Don't know if Chuck is licensed in Hawaii.

In British Columbia, for a religious marriage ceremony, the religious representative has to be licensed http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/marriage/howto.html#ceremony (http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/marriage/howto.html#ceremony) Properly licensed people are called marriage commissioners. A search can be done here for specific cities, then view who is licensed there http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/search/marriage_commissioners.cgi (http://www.vs.gov.bc.ca/cgi-bin/search/marriage_commissioners.cgi) Chuck is not licensed in Vancouver B.C. , don't know if he is licensed elsewhere.

Everyone who has been married by him would be wise to double check that they are actually legally married.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 21, 2013, 04:49:35 pm
Psychology of Vision and their franchises have their own language - for instance when they speak of Oneness they are referring to the Oneness Movement . They use words like "giftedness" and "dead zone" along with other words they have coined to mean specific things within their group. They also use a lot of more general Nuage ideas, such as "ascension". Lency and others use pseudo-Hindu terms too. They talk about chakras supposedly opening in various ways using various practices. And there is always danger just around the corner, trainers and followers talk often about "shadows" and other dangers that they have to be constantly concerned about and process. For instance Chuck often claims that we all have just barely "dodged a bullet" but that we can't relax yet, more bad shit is on the way.

POV is designed to keep people always busy, always stressed, always needing to go to more seminars to learn supposed answers to their supposed problems. POV invents "problems" that only they have the cure for. Because POV drains bank accounts and screws people over - they create more problems for people, who then believe they have to stick closer to POV for salvation. POV could just as easily be a fortune teller in a storefront telling their victim that more candles need to be burned, and paid for, to keep a curse at bay.

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 21, 2013, 04:58:37 pm
Some clues for visual id of our culprits - Chuck is rotund, wears brightly colored pseudo Hawaiian shirts. Lency has short white hair.

Jeff and Sue Allen are their top people http://visionworksforlife.com/about-us/ (http://visionworksforlife.com/about-us/)

Francine Girard directs the trainer program http://povcanada.com/trainers/francine-girard/ (http://povcanada.com/trainers/francine-girard/)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 22, 2013, 11:43:19 pm
Chuck Spezzano is using his own version of Neuro-linguistic Programming. For instance in this horrible ultimately victim blaming video he has done on the theme of domestic violence, he uses the term "embedded commands". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNHV6qmF31I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNHV6qmF31I) "Embedded commands" are specific NLP techniques.

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NLP, ... , relies heavily upon (1) the notion of the unconscious mind as constantly influencing conscious thought and action; (2) metaphorical behavior and speech, especially building upon the methods used in Freud's Interpretation of Dreams; and (3) hypnotherapy as developed by Milton Erickson.

http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html (http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html)

That above quote about NLP could very easily be said also about POV.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 24, 2013, 06:51:20 pm
Chuck and Lency Spezzano tell two entirely different stories about their wealth, specifically about their properties in Hawaii.

Chuck says "I've learned to create all kinds of things. I once decided I was going to get moved to Hawaii without having to, to pay for it. And that's exactly what happened, somebody moved me to Hawaii a couple years later, paid for all the expenses. And you can create anything you want that you believe in."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOpoR3TmHSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOpoR3TmHSU)

Lency says, in response to questions about where the $ comes from  "I inherited money from a family farm land sale and we felt it was the best investment we could make for our kids and grandkids. The downpayment on our other property came as a gift from my parents soon after we were married."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmhNN5nKUaA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmhNN5nKUaA)

47-416 WAIHEE PL, Honolulu County, 2 acres, owned by Charles L Spezzano, Lenora K Spezzano. 2013 total property assessed value $696,100

57-20 KUILIMA DR #121, owned by Charles L Spezzano, Lenora K Spezzano. 2013 total property assessed value $1,541,900

(Do parcel searchs here:  http://www.honolulupropertytax.com/Search/GenericSearch.aspx?mode=ADDRESS (http://www.honolulupropertytax.com/Search/GenericSearch.aspx?mode=ADDRESS) )

Chuck and Lency tell their followers that they too can learn to manifest prosperity by imagining it. Chuck and Lency charge followers thousands of dollars for this bogus "advice". This continuing scam enables the Spezzanos to keep up with their property taxes.

When Psychology of Vision raises money from their devotees for their First Nations fund, where does all that money go? This "fund" is not a registered charity.

Psychology Of Vision Promotions Inc http://www.manta.com/ic/mtql87d/ca/psychology-of-vision-promotions-inc (http://www.manta.com/ic/mtql87d/ca/psychology-of-vision-promotions-inc), B.C. Canada, is run by Susan How, a POV trainer. Susan How also administers the First Nations Fund http://povcanada.com/first-nations/ (http://povcanada.com/first-nations/)

A Chuck and Lency Spezzano Realty Reality Check http://www.mortythedog.com/2013/10/a-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-realty_18.html (http://www.mortythedog.com/2013/10/a-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-realty_18.html)




Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 25, 2013, 07:22:32 pm
We've mentioned a Michael North several times in this thread:

*officer of Zhou Enlai Peace Institute, with Chuck Spezzano http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35596#msg35596 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35596#msg35596)

*(the Robert North here is actually Michael North) http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35616#msg35616 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35616#msg35616)

*main organization contact for the Hawaii Forgiveness Project is Michael North http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35643#msg35643 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35643#msg35643)

Chuck Spezzano performed the wedding ceremony for Michael North and his wife

A woman named Ong Kar Khalsa helps run Psychology of Vision Promotions Inc.
http://povcanada.com/contact-us/ (http://povcanada.com/contact-us/)

Michael North on his Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/darwinesque/about (https://www.facebook.com/darwinesque/about) says Ong Kar Khalsa is his daughter

Ong Kar Khalsa also says Michael North is her father https://www.facebook.com/ong.khalsa/about (https://www.facebook.com/ong.khalsa/about) She also says Hari Singh Khalsa is her father, I'm assuming spiritual father

This Hari Singh Khalsa is "one of Yogi Bhajan's original students"
http://www.yogawest.ca/camps/khalsa-mens-camp/ (http://www.yogawest.ca/camps/khalsa-mens-camp/)

Guru Singh led an extraordinarily abusive cult http://yogibhajan.tripod.com/id17.html (http://yogibhajan.tripod.com/id17.html)

Chuck and Lency did an event with another Yogi Bhajan devotee, Guru Singh. In Lency's promo video she says that she and Chuck "resonate" with Guru Singh's vision. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35852#msg35852 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35852#msg35852)

Michael North http://www.chinaroyalties.com/en/management/michael-north/#.UmsrGBDBM1I
 (http://www.chinaroyalties.com/en/management/michael-north/#.UmsrGBDBM1I)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 31, 2013, 06:20:29 pm
Here is a great example of what Psychology of Vision and related enterprises sell:
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Do you want to:

    Have happier richer more fulfilling relationships with everyone, including your partner
    Understand how to truly accept others as they are
    Learn how love has no boundaries
    Clear your blocks to scarcity, whether it is wealth, love or any aspect of lack
    Learn what self love really is
    Gain a zest for life never before experienced?

If you answered yes to any of the above then we invite you to join master trainer Jeff Allen and his international trainer wife Sue Allen to this life-changing workshop. Now is the time to invest in YOU.

http://visionworksforlife.com/events/the-essential-relationship-the-next-level-3-day-workshop-west-sussex/ (http://visionworksforlife.com/events/the-essential-relationship-the-next-level-3-day-workshop-west-sussex/)

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The Essential Relationship….The Next Level! – 3-day workshop – West Sussex
Pricing
Earlybird when booked and paid for before 27 October – Solo £200, Couples £350
After 27 October – Solo place £300, Couples £500
100-day Graduates – £175

Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on October 31, 2013, 06:50:31 pm
In a conditional use permit request, a barn on the Spezzano's property is described as "the headquarters for their worldwide networking in the field of Inner Healing". http://www1.honolulu.gov/refs/nco/nb29/03/29augmin.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/refs/nco/nb29/03/29augmin.htm)

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The Inner Healing Movement refers to a grassroots counseling movement among Christians of various denominations. Its methods are largely based around the calling up of suppressed or hurtful memories in order to deal with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Healing_Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Healing_Movement)

Many Christians believe the Inner Healing Movement is deceptive and dangerous.

Chuck and Lency Spezzano do invoke the name of Jesus at their joining sessions. Lency claims she channels the group mind energy and that she receives Jesus energy. This is forced on followers, even if they are not themselves Christian.

Survivors of Psychology of Vision say this is extremely disrespectful, especially towards residential school survivors.

The Spezzanos behave as modern day missionaries.

Survivors say their communities need to be rebuilt through health, not through artificial belief, not through the Spezzano doctrine.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 02, 2013, 06:50:19 pm
APTN Investigates will be airing a show soon on the harmful effects of cultic groups, including Psychology of Vision, and Earth Peoples United (Erick Gonzalez), on Haida Gwaii families and communities.

The promo is available online, at the end of the current episode. I'll post a link to the full episode when it is available in about a week.


http://aptn.ca/pages/news/category/investigates/ (http://aptn.ca/pages/news/category/investigates/)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 03, 2013, 07:01:19 pm
Ethical therapists do not hypnotize people who may be involved in any court action.  In fact using hypnosis to alter the memory of someone who may eventually be seeking legal action against their abusers, may itself be illegal.

Lency and Chuck Spezzano using hypnosis on Residential School Survivors who may eventually be involved in court action, or other First Nations people who may be in court concerning land claims - the Spezzanos are misleading and mistreating people.

Lency not only uses hypnotism  unethically, she also claims she herself has processed "the missionary figure" that abused First Nations people. She did this for 3 days at an event, insisting that no one talk to her because she was supposedly still processing, yet at the same time she expected everyone to watch her. So, she pretends to be a holy martyr taking on the effects of pain and abuse, for the redemption of her followers/victims. Yuck.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 08, 2013, 08:16:28 pm
Chuck Spezzano says he achieved enlightenment at Oneness University in 2007. He and Lency teach Oneness practices to their own followers. Their trainers also advertise themselves as Oneness Blessing Givers.

Followers are encouraged to visit Oneness University.

Here are some quotes from someone who visited Oneness University in 2011. She was recruited by a Unity church teacher.

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After arriving in India and traveling out of Chennai my concerns began when we drove up to the Oneness University “campus” and realized that it was a locked down facility with guards at the gate and high walls with barbed wire.  It is out in the middle of nowhere, so there wasn’t much of an alternative other than to go into the campus. To me it felt like I had ended up in a minimum security prison with a few people I knew, but we were to be in silence, so I couldn’t talk to them. There were bars on our dormitory windows and guards at the entrance to each dormitory, the dining hall, and the “class room” where we had our daily yoga instruction/indoctrination.

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The circumstances surrounding the activities of the program were so disorienting that it took a few days for me to put it all together and realize that far from a healing retreat, I had ended up half way around the world, and at great expense, in the middle of a cult.  It was like being in an insane asylum.  During the yogas and time spent at the temple, many of the 200 plus people in the program lost total control of themselves and cried out loud, screamed, hit themselves, laughed hysterically, and rolled around on the floor.  Some appeared to be having psychotic breaks.  This was encouraged by the Oneness staff, and no aid was given to these people.  In addition to the chaos surrounding me, I was also dealing with the tactics of the cult designed to break you down and surrender yourself to them.

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Even after we had made it through the interview/indoctrination process (during which the Oneness US rep told us that the program was like a combination of est and getting hit in the head by a 2×4) required by Oneness for us to leave and we were able to get into the cars we had hired to take us back to Chennai, I didn’t actually know if they were going to let us out until the guards stepped away and the gates opened and the cars drove out.

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After getting home I felt traumatized and fell into a very deep depression.  I felt surrounded by emptiness.  I was sleeping about 20 hours a day, which lasted for about two weeks.  Gradually I was able to be up for a few hours more at a time. I had one chant in particular from the yoga sessions that kept repeating in my head, and I had to sing songs to myself to stop the sound of the chant. This problem with the chanting went on for about two weeks.  I had a great deal of trouble relating to anything in my life, including family and friends.  I found that the only people I could comfortably talk to were the others who went on the trip with me.  We were all very traumatized, and got together occasionally to talk about how we were feeling and to see how everyone was doing.  I talked to a therapist, and she said I had PTSD.

http://dougbottorff.com/category/oneness-blessing-scam/ (http://dougbottorff.com/category/oneness-blessing-scam/)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 09, 2013, 02:27:30 am
Some quotes from Couple questions alternative healing groups’ activities on Haida Gwaii , more available at link http://aptn.ca/pages/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/  (http://aptn.ca/pages/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)

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The other group being discussed in Haida Gwaii is Psychology of Vision. Despite its name, the two founders Lency and Chuck Spezzano are not psychologists.

In fact, Charles Spezzano was fined in 2004 for acting like a psychologist while not being licensed by the state of Hawaii.

Chuck Spezzano told APTN Investigates that because he works internationally he doesn’t need to be licensed. He said he is not a psychologist and calls himself “a coach.”

But he says the work he does is indeed psychology.

Dutheil says the POV sessions were a horrible experience for her.



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APTN Investigates asked Charles Spezzano to explain one of the many type of healing methods POV uses. It’s called an “original mind download.”

“It’s a blessing. And if you’ve ever received a blessing where you can feel it, that’s what a download is meant to be,” he replied.

How does that help a person looking for healing, we asked.

“Basically it provides some wholeness. Where there was a split mind or conflict or something like that, it brings peace,” he said.

We asked him how one becomes qualified to do a download.

“Well, first of all, you experience it and then you learn how to pass it on,” Spezzano replied.

The Spezzano’s are shocked that they are being accused of being a cult and that the work they are doing is dangerous. Chuck Spezzano claims more than 40 years’ experience. Lency Spezzano claims they are a great help to First Nations. She says that wherever POV goes, there is a cultural renaissance in the community.

They help people, insists Charles.

What they do not do is disempower people in order to take their money, he added.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 09, 2013, 04:21:24 am
APTN Investigates video is now available online http://aptn.ca/pages/news/category/investigates/ (http://aptn.ca/pages/news/category/investigates/)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 11, 2013, 03:53:29 pm
There is a report in this thread of an adult who felt suicidal during a POV event. In the APTN Investigates episode about POV, there is a report of youth feeling suicidal after a POV event, in fact the Spezzanos are not welcome back in that area.

If you are involved in POV and have suicidal feelings, please take this seriously, and please get help from a source other than POV. There is lots of good help available that will assist in your recovery.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on November 22, 2013, 05:30:51 pm
Two top Psychology of Vision trainers are now targeting  Upper Nicola Band in Canada. Band members are given this two day event for "free", but these events actually come at great cost, they are recruiting events.

In order to keep their training status with Psychology of Vision, trainers have to stay busy, they have to fulfill annual requirements, such as holding these trainings.

The usual buzz words are here, designed to attract people thinking they will be learning actual leadership skills.

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 Authentic Leadership in Douglas Lake With Melissa Meyer and Doug Anderson

Two Day Psychology of Vision Workshop Nov 23 & 24, 2013 Douglas Lake, Upper Nicola Band

"Authentic Leadership"
With Psychology of Vision Trainers; Melissa Meyer and Doug Anderson

 (Please note Upper Nicola Band Members attendance is no $0.00 charge.)

Authentic Leaders recognize that there has to be a better way" and this is where the surrender or turning one's life over begins. They know that the old way of leadership based on roles, duty and sacrifice no longer work and are inspired to empower everyone around them beyond this. Authentic leaders are prompted to share their gifts and talents and respond to the calls for help. They find the way through situations with ease and grace. As Authentic leaders we understand that leadership is a healing path and a path of modeling and mentoring so others naturally follow us as we continue to move forward. We are committed to our own healing and prefer to find a better way for ourselves, our families, organizations and communities.

Come join Melissa Meyer, Doug Anderson and the Upper Nicola Band Members for an interactive, experiential, transformational weekend, there are sure to be deep healing and some fun times to be experienced this weekend!

Location: N'Kwala School Gymnasium, Douglas Lake Indian Reserve

Event Details: There are 25 seats available for non-Upper Nicola Band members at a cost of $175.00 each, payable (at the door) to the Upper Nicola Indian Band office. Please pre-register with NKwala Manuel at training@uppernicolaband.com or call NKwala at 250-350-3342

Contact Info: NKwala Manuel at training@uppernicolaband.com or call NKwala at 250-350-3342.

Registration: Saturday Nov 23, 2013 9:00 am - 10:00 am

Workshop Times: Saturday and Sunday Nov 23 and 24th from 10am to 5pm. Times are approximate, please note Saturday’s session may go closer to 6 pm.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: moreinfo on November 28, 2013, 06:38:20 am
beware of these tricky words!
 "there has to be a better way and this is where the surrender or turning one's life over begins"
Pov wastes no time taking over who you are ,already making you believe who you are is not good enough, surrendering to pov is giving up your life for their life.
What we possess within ourselves and  with our families is very special and belongs to us not pov, turning one's life over is a huge loss when you let pov convince you that your life is not good enough. Even if we have a tough life , it is still our own life and that is some of what makes us who we are.
 There are ways for support that can allow us to stay in our families to find peace with each other without surrendering who we are. Protect yourself from these spiritual thieves that displace human relationships that are inherent to our families. They make you believe that you are loved and cared for by pov family and rebond with pov members, soon you will be talking their talk and seeking their friendships and praises. Every moment you spend with them, is less time you give to your own family, this includes resources as well. Money that should be given to your own.
Ask yourself, Who do I love more ? My relatives? or POV trainers and pov participants? If your answer is your family , then turn around and walk back to them , leave POV in the dust. Doing this will save you so much time,
time that POV would suck out of you for eternity, and then when you finally one day had enough of POV, you will waste even more time trying to get their "mind manipulations" out of your system, you will grieve for the time wasted with pov and resources it took from you, and the gap between you and your real family.
 The world has alot of challenges , as bad as life can seem for some , suffering in other parts of the world is so unbearable. Children in refugee camps, survivors of war. We can assess our lives and see where we want to invest, if you want your life to improve , directly invest into caring about yourself and your family. Be the one to make that happen.
Don't let  pov scam you into believing that they are going to lead you to the way, cause all your going to hear over and over is " are you willing to surrender?"  Know your worth and perserve it!
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: debbieredbear on November 28, 2013, 06:02:40 pm
I am reading the book "Manson" and this creeped me out, moreinfo. Charles Manson used similar tactics and isolation on his followers. Manson was a gifted manipulator when he read Dale Carnegie's book. He still controls some of his followers, and in fact has made new recruits even though he has been in prison for decades.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on December 11, 2013, 10:51:42 pm
In 2002 Chuck and Lency Spezzano did this event with Fidel Moreno:

Fulfilling the Promise, Living the Vision
Dr. Chuck and Lency Spezzano.
Canyon de Chelly, Arizona, USA
October 16, 17 and 18, 2002.

"We are asking for your agency and your branch of the Díne Nation to support the Canyon de Chelly retreat"
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35871#msg35871 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg35871#msg35871)

In 2004 they did an event at Cloud Eagle Sanctuary at Nambe Pueblo, New Mexico. Fees were to go to Native Vision, Arts and Communications Ltd. attn Fidel Moreno http://web.archive.org/web/20040401202630/http://psychologyofvision.com/event_7thgeneration.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040401202630/http://psychologyofvision.com/event_7thgeneration.htm)

 “WE ARE THE 7TH GENERATION . . .

“WE ARE THE ONES WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR . . .”

A GATHERING OF VISIONARIES, HEALERS AND TEACHERS

THE “SACRED HOOP” OF ALL NATIONS GATHERING

MAY 10th to 16th, 2004
CLOUD EAGLE SANCTUARY at NAMBE PUEBLO
IN THE LAND OF ENCHANTMENT, NEW MEXICO
30 MINUTES FROM SANTA FE

INVITED SPECIAL GUESTS ARE: CHUCK SPEZZANO OF POV
CHRIS GRISCOM OF THE LIGHT INSITUTE, MARGARET BEHEN-QUITNANA, CHEYENNE/ARAPAHO VISIONARY & TEACHER, CECELIA FIRETHUNDER, LAKOTA VISIONARY AND COMMUNTY ORGANIZER
PRECILIANO CARRILLO, HUICHOL SHAMAN AND SINGER,
LARRY LITTLEBIRD, STORYTELLER, HEALER AND SINGER OF Santa Domingo Pueblo
AND GINNY “LA DONA” GENTRY, of the Eagle lineage from Don Miguel OF THE FOUR AGREEMENTS AND THE TOLTEC WAY

OTHER REGIONAL HEALERS, ELDERS, TEACHERS AND VISIONARIES FROM THE NAVAJO NATION, COCHITTI, SANTA CLARA AND TAOS PUEBLOS WILL ALSO BE FACILITATING NON-PLENARY WORKSHOPS.

7 DAYS OF TEACHING AND VISIONING CIRCLES & 7 EVENINGS OF PRAYER AND HEALING CIRCLES – ORAL HISTORIES, PROPHECIES, TEACHINGS, CEREMONIES AND EVENINGS OF SONG, DANCE AND CELEBRATIONS TO HEAL AND EMPOWER BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO MOVE BEYOND THE PERSONAL PAINS AND FEARS AND VISION THE BIRTHRIGHT AND TASK OF CREATING JOY AND BRINGING THE LIGHT OF GRACE AND HOPE TO A WORLD
THAT IS IN TRANSITION AND SPEEDING TOWARDS CHANGE . . . WE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN NAVIGATE THE COURSE . . . WE ON THE PATH . . . WE CAN SET THE COURSE . . .

FAMILIES, CHILDREN AND ELDERS WELCOME . . . TRADITIONAL NORTHEN* AND SOUTHERN STYLE LODGES* WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE FIRST 100 PARTICIPANTS
SINGLE AND FAMILY TENT AND CAMPING SITES ARE ALSO AVAILBLE – HOTEL & BB LODGING AVAILABLE 20 MINUTES FROM GATHERING.

Hotel/Lodging Reservations by: Cities of Gold Casino Hotel
Tel: 877-455-0515 Fax: 505-455-3060 Email:www.citiesofgold.com


*TRADITIONAL NORTHERN/SOUTHERN STYLE TIPI – SLEEPS 20 PEOPLE
7 DAY AGENDA FOR SPEAKERS, PRESENTERS, FACILITATORS AND PROGRAM

MAY 10-MONDAY- SUNRISE PRAYER, MEDITATION AND MOVEMENT

8:30AM – 7TH GENERATION GATHERING INTRODUCTION- CECELIA FIRETHUNDER – Lakota Visionary, Activist, Educator and Healer and Mother.

9:00 AM – CHUCK SPEZZANO – PLENARY SESSION SPEAKER/PRESENTOR
“WE ARE THE ONES WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR”

12:00 PM – 2:00PM LUNCHMEAL WITH YOUR CLAN/FAMILY IN TIPI

2:00PM – 4PM – CECELIA FIRETHUNDER – “WE ARE THE 7TH GENERATION”

4:00 – 6PM – CLAN/FAMILY CIRCLES

6:00- 7:30PM – DINNER WITH FAMILY/CLAN IN TIPI

8:00 – 10PM – SOUTHERN DRUM – TRADITIONAL BIG DRUM AND DANCE

10:00-12AM – TIPI CREEPING AND SNAGGING(JUST Kidding!!!!!!!!!!!)
sleep, sleep, sleep, SLEEP, SLEEP, SLEEP AND REST FOR THE 2ND DAY.

MAY 11- TUESDAY – SUNRISE PRAYER, MEDITATION AND MOVEMENT

9:00AM – CHUCK SPEZZANO – POV

2:OOPM – 4PM – PETER SCHLIESSMANN – CEO & PRESIDENT OF TOUREXTREM
“ CEREMONY & RITUAL AS ACTION AND ENERGY”

8:00PM-10PM - ZIMBABAWE DRUMS & DANCING

MAY 12 – WEDNESDAY – SUNRISE PRAYER, MEDITATION AND MOVEMENT

9:00AM – CHUCK SPEZZANO- POV

2:00PM – 3PM – CHRIS GRISCOM – THE LIGHT INSTITUTE
“THE LIGHT OF SPIRIT AND THE GRACE OF VISION”

8:OOPM-10PM – NOSOTROS- LATIN & NUEVO FLAMENCO SONG AND DANCE

MAY 13 – THURSDAY – SUNRISE PRAYER, MEDITATION AND MOVEMENT

9:00AM – CHUCK SPEZZANO – POV

2:00PM – 4PM – PRECILIANO CARRILLO – HUICHOL SHAMAN & HEALER
“ THE POWER OF DREAMS, VISIONS & PRAYER”

8:00PM-10PM – MIRAMBA MUSIC AND DANCE


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MAY 14 – FRIDAY – SUNRISE PRAYER, MEDITATION AND MOVEMENT

9:00AM – CHUCK SPEZZANO - POV

2:00PM-4PM - LARRY LITTLEBIRD – STORYTELLER AND SINGER
“FROM ANCESTOR’S TO THOSE YET UNBORN –THE LEGACY”

8:00 – 10PM – BRIGITTE SCHMITZ AND FRIENDS – OPEN MIC –
PERFORMANCE, CHANTING, SONG AND DANCE


MAY 15 – SATURDAY – SUNRISE PRAYER, MEDITATION, AND MOVEMENT

9:00AM – CHUCK SPEZZANO – POV

2:00 – 4PM – “LA DONA” GINNY GENTRY – THE TOLTEC WAY/FOUR AGREEMENTS
“We ARE the WARRIORS of Love, Grace, Peace and Joy . . . Our MISSION is . . . “

9:00PM – 9:00AM – Native American Church Ceremony*

9:00pm – Purification Lodges – MEN’S AND WOMEN’S & MIXED LODGES

MAY 16 – SUNDAY- FEAST, CELEBRATION & GIVAWAY/GIFTING CEREMONY

10:00AM - SUNDAY WORSHIP & PRAYER AND VISION STATEMENT

7:00 PM – FEAST & CELEBRATION – NATIVE ROOTS – AMERICAN INDIAN RAGGAE

For More Info, Please call 505-474-0135 or 505-455 7284 or Email: pejuta@earthlink.net

FEES: US$1000.00 for Individual
US$1,5000.00 per Couple (2)
US$2,500.00 per Family/Organisation (4

http://web.archive.org/web/20040401202630/http://psychologyofvision.com/event_7thgeneration.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040401202630/http://psychologyofvision.com/event_7thgeneration.htm)
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on December 18, 2013, 08:52:37 pm
Chuck Spezzano posts a daily "healing card" on his Facebook pages and blog. His followers often thank him, claim that the specific card is very meaningful to them at this moment, devotion and gratitude is expressed. Today's card is:

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PASSING THE SHAMANIC TEST
PASSING THE SHAMANIC TEST is the card for today. A Shamanic Test is an initiation to reach a higher place of power and consciousness. It could easily be a life or death situation. You put it all on the line to reach a higher place. The easiest way to pass a Shamanic Test is to use grace which is always given us. Our requests allows us to receive it. Also to call for Divine Love which brings miracles and Divine Presence. What could go wrong then? Then there is no need for challenge but allows us to simply embrace the higher place as Heaven's Will for us... Using grace is the only way to cheat and have greater integrity. Have a fine day!

This is an example of a standard format he uses. On http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/ (http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/) he has quite the spectacular claim: "Chuck uses healing cards to channel Heaven's Spirit."

The American Cancer Society has been contacted about Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst's b.s. claims about the meaning and possible cures for cancer. Their response includes:

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As you may know, researchers have done many studies to see if there is a link between personality, stress, and cancer. No scientific evidence has shown that a person’s personality or outlook can affect their cancer risk.

One of Chuck's influences is Bert Hellinger, who invented a very controversial pseudo-therapy, systemic constellations. Chuck does his own spin on this in seminars.

The method has been called quantum quackery and pseudo-science. Antifascists have taken Hellinger to task for this dubious therapy.

Bert Hellinger was a Roman Catholic friar for a time, Chuck Spezzano studied to become a Catholic priest. I think Chuck has invented his own Nuage religion, drawing upon many other systems and beliefs, and he has set himself up as the top dog.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on December 27, 2013, 08:38:06 pm
Some Spezzano family members and supporters have responded to the growing discussion and critique of Psychology of Vision. Often the response is along the lines of telling us that we are engaged in character assassination, running a smear campaign, are unprofessional, attacking, harassing, and that anyone who has had problems because of POV are unique individuals who already had serious problems. The Spezzanos are described as "clean, transparent, and genuinely focused on doing the highest good for everyone that they can".

I encourage family members and supporters to join in on the conversation, read through the forum first for awhile, introduce themselves, and discuss these concerns about POV.

More than one person has felt suicidal directly because of exposure to POV. POV is a large group awareness training, these trainings are untested, unsafe, controlling, money making operations. POV has been horrible for residential school survivors.
Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on January 04, 2014, 08:54:19 pm
In order to be an advanced trainer, people have to go to Oneness University in India. They describe themselves as "Psychology of Vision Trainer and Oneness Blessing (Deeksha) Giver."

Some trainers are known for being harsh and confrontational, including Joanne Roberts of Prince Rupert, B.C., Canada. http://www.cornerstoneswellness.com/about-us/ (http://www.cornerstoneswellness.com/about-us/) Survivors report that some trainers are heartless, without compassion, and that they leave their victims frightened and confused.

When First Nations communities are infiltrated, and authority members become part of this destructive group, the community suffers. Job opportunities, education, general morale, and contracts can all be influenced.

The Spezzanos have been running the Psychology of Vision money making machine for awhile. I think they have people addicted. Just like in an abusive relationship, they are able to manipulate and keep people hooked. Hopefully their followers will eventually understand that the Spezzanos are not magical, they are not holy, not special. Being made to feel a certain way in a seminar doesn't mean the trainers are gifted, good people. Followers are just being played, strung along like fish on a hook. Large group awareness trainings can produce a rush, because our bodies and minds have a response to being messed with. The trainers are abusive and then seem to offer the cure. Just like abusive relationships.

From the outside, it is easy to see that the Spezzanos use First Nations people to enhance their own reputation and marketing. White people who attend seminars are told that there is the extra bonus of First Nations people there. White people can feel like they are going to get something special and that they are going to help "Psychology of Vision is dedicated to awakening the giftedness of indigenous peoples on the planet.".

I'd like to see copies of any waivers and other paperwork POV has participants sign, feel free to message me if you can pass on copies, or post them here.

Unless POV is brought down by possible illegalities, if they are involved in financial crimes, or if they are sued by former members, I wonder what will stop this money making fraud machine. Fortunately more people are becoming educated, and more are deciding to not fall into the POv trap.



Title: Re: research needed on Chuck Spezzano's " Psychology Of Vision healing model"
Post by: Epiphany on January 05, 2014, 10:05:35 pm
Chuck Spezzano has described Visionary Leaders Canada (Prince Rupert, BC, Canada, run by two POV trainers Betty Lou Hunt and Joanne Roberts, they also run Cornerstone Wellness) as "Just an amazing group of people with a beautiful vision to move First Nations and Business forward! Do check them out!"

Hunt and Roberts in various promo literature for events, brochures, flyers, and online, have used several paragraphs of text from someone attributed as "Oneness by Rasha". Especially when it is the event description it would be easy to assume that this is from a POV member, or at least done by permission.

But it turns out that Rasha is not allied with POV, in fact she critiqued "Oneness University" and deekshas back in 2007. (scroll down to August 2007 http://www.onenesswebsite.com/speak.html (http://www.onenesswebsite.com/speak.html) ). And she did not give Hunt & Roberts permission to use her work.

Rasha gave us an official statement:

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"The book entitled Oneness, which I transcribed, is not associated in any way with any other teacher, guru, or organization that may also be using the name “Oneness.”  I have, thankfully, never received “deeksha” or a so-called “Oneness Blessing” from anyone affiliated with POV or the group in India calling themselves “Oneness University." I do not wish to have unsuspecting, sincere spiritual seekers confuse the pure teachings of Oneness, who some people consider to be God, with the agenda of that organization." Rasha
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on January 09, 2014, 02:48:31 pm

It seems that one of the persons interviewed for the APTN docu is being harassed on his Facebook site by Mr Spezzano Jr:

https://www.facebook.com/thomas.greene.71653

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Thomas, I am so disappointed that you are continuing to slander my parents. From the intensity of your posts, it seems like you are not open to doing balanced research and are perpetuating and creating your own slanderous libel. This is illegal in both the US and Canada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

I can see you care about your community deeply, but it also seems you have let that feeling take you on a personal rampage in a completely inappropriate direction. I personally ask you to desist from making attacks against my parents and Psychology of Vision on your Facebook account or otherwise. Continuing to do so is illegal, along with the rest of the misinformation being peddled about by amateur, self-titled "reporters" and "researchers." I did a thorough review of everything you sent to me. There are some links describing cults, support groups, etc., but none of those platforms have anything to do with my parents or their model. The other links are shamefully bad reporting and research. Almost every attack was completely untrue and the rest were taken out of context. The APTN "Plastic Healers" was especially bad, unbalanced reporting. Their cursory research was ridiculous and they also failed to mention the many other special reports about the positive impacts Psychology of Vision is providing and has provided in First Nations communities that they have done. You may not be aware of the nature of the Internet, but everything you sent was a non-professional site. Much of it was completely unrelated to my parents. You can't take everything you find on the Internet as truth, much of it is not. Unfortunately, it appears you have been having trouble with that discernment. I will attempt to clear up some of your confusion so that you can move on with your life, do some actual good for your community, and stop breaking the law. You wrote this to me: "your parents place their own heads or brains on their "participants" head or place their agenda/dogma in between the "participants" brain and heart so the answers the people find are your parents version and ideas on what is good for them, this is not healing, it is thought reform and mind control. " That is complete and utter nonsense. Where did you read that? Or did someone tell that to you? Clearly you have never been to one of my parents workshops, so I wonder how you could come up with something so slanderous yourself. What you've written, along with the rest of your posts, are simply not true. What is this that you post?: "some cult researchers say that the PoV cult is one of the most evil cult they've ever seen because of what they did to the residentiol school survivors." Again, this is ridiculous. Who are the researchers? Where is this coming from? Thomas, just because anyone on the Internet can post anything about anything, it doesn't mean it's verified fact - just because it's on a website - especially a personal blog - it does not make it truth. My parents have also had a lot of success in helping residential school survivors heal and move on with their lives, which is their goal in providing these seminars free to First Nations participants. My parents don't take ANY money from First Nations participants. First Nations seminars and workshops are donated at no cost, unless the participant is NOT First Nations. For example, if other international students want to take the courses (that are often translated into Mandarin, Cantonese, Japanese, German, Italian, an others - requiring a staff), they have to pay for their courses. This shouldn't be some horrifying shock to you. It's the way business has occurred around the world for millennia. Most schools of thought do charge training fees or tuition to keep their schools running: Harvard University, The Academy of Art, most everyone. What is unique about my parents is that they donate their seminars to First Nations and other groups around the world. It is not to make money. It is to give back. You say their participants never "heal or enjot their lives, they always have to chase the "answer" which they'll never get." Thomas, this is simply not true. My parents' model is designed to give individuals the personal tools to heal themselves and connect to their higher self, or whatever spiritual belief system the participant chooses to adhere to with their own free will. My parents have worked with First Nations, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Native Americans, Buddhists, Shintoists, Confucianists, and even atheists. Their model is not to enforce their belief system upon anyone, their practice is based upon the simple principle of forgiveness. As you forgive the outside world, you forgive the outside world, you forgive yourself and heal, and as you forgive yourself and heal, you also forgive and heal your perception of the outside world. It's not rocket science - nor is it brainwashing. In fact, it directly opposes cults, brainwashing, mind control, or any of the nastiness that you post. You also say, A Course in Miracles is cult. It is not. Though your definition of cult seems to be anything that is spiritual? Here you can see a number of the most respected individuals in the world: "Since it first went on sale in 1976, over 2 million copies of A Course in Miracles (ACIM) have been sold worldwide and the text has been translated into twenty languages. ACIM is distributed globally, forming the basis of a range of organised groups.[31] The teachings of A Course in Miracles have been supported by commentators and authors such as Robert Schuller,[32] Oprah Winfrey,[33] and Eckhart Tolle.[34] "A Course In Miracles" is also taught in many Unity churches.[35] However, due to ACIM's claims to "clarify" or even supersede[36] some of the teachings of orthodox Christianity, the book has been judged negatively by some Christians." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Course_in_Miracles#Reception

My parents also have NO affiliation whatsoever with Oneness University. They and some of their students attended some of their courses a number of years ago, but were shocked and disgusted to learn about some of their practices. My mom actually spearheaded a campaign to learn and expose the truth about Oneness University. My parents do not support their practices, community, or methods. They have wanted nothing to do with that organization once they had an opportunity to learn more about them. They adamantly steer people away from that organization, their practices, and beliefs. They would NOT want their students to be affiliated with that organization in any capacity. You and your so-called "researchers" need to get your facts straight. If you attempt to destroy someone, as you are attempting to do both my parents and all the tens of thousands of people around the world they have helped, you have to have the mental willpower to do balanced research. Without a balanced, analytical approach to what you are doing, you are manipulating all of the people who are reading your posts. To be honest, it seems you have been just as brainwashed by this misinformation as anyone a part of a real cult. It's worrisome, unhealthy, and downright illegal to pursue these untrue attacks. We are now in the process of cleaning up this misinformation. We will likely have to take legal action against the defamers to clear up the misinformation and slander they are spreading and issue a public apology. If you have any further questions or attacks, I would be happy to educate you further about your ignorance. Hopefully I can then continue to clear up the damage that you have been doing to thousands of people around the world, not just my parents. Again, I request that you desist in your illegal pursuits of public defamation and character assassination of Chuck and Lency Spezzano and also let go of your slanderous, unfounded attack against and character assassination of Chuck and Lency Spezzano and also let go of your slanderous, unfounded attack against Psychology of Vision and its students and trainers. Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org
Christopher Haokalani Spezzano

I have also made copies of our conversations and screenshots of your public defamation posts on Facebook to hold you legally accountable for any further unfounded damage you choose to do.

Spezzano Jr is not only putting emotional stress on Mr Greene ('I am so disappointed'), he's being racist and using the old stereotype of the 'stupid ndn' by telling him he isn't able to do a valid, 'balanced' research.
 
Junior also cannot see (also pretty usual for Nuagers) that there is a huge difference between criticism and libel. So stuff which does not please him or his parents does not qualify as 'libel'. Many a plastic and fake does not like to be criticized and called out for what they do, but this does not happen to be libel or slander.
In the case at hands, it cannot be libel since everything NAFPS got has been taken from PoV sites and thus is information provided by their very selves.

There are numerous more racist undertones:  e.g. just caring about the community, too daft to see the big picture, in one word: a 'stupid ndn'.
So he says he 'personally asks' Mr Greene to 'desist from attacks'. First of all, it isn't attacks, it is posting facts. But perhaps it is not all that easy for him to see his parents exposed for what they are, and he will have been exposed to their rhubarb for all or most of his life. But his personally asking someone to stop criticism does not make continuing opposition illegal, as he choses to insinuate.

Junior's attack on APTN with 'especially bad, unbalanced reporting' and 'ridiculous research' is racist again. Despite their running a renowned and professional TV station, as 'Injuns' they are being defamed as 'amateur „reporters“'. Yes, it must hurt terribly to be outdone in an interview by a […] (please insert racist ephitet) and having to backpeddle to „I'm a mere coach, no psychologist“. These […] are getting sooo uppity, aren't they? They won't even know their place nowadays and shut their ndn faces while white masters or Great White Fathers are giving them a load of BS. Times are getting simply dreadful. [sarcasm off]

And of course there is a lot of dangerous, untrue, ridiculous etc stuff on the internet – that's why Junior's parents' sites are on, e.g., and that's why he is able to post racist BS on facebook.
There is a claim of his parents having been able to help survivors of residential schools. Oh alright, he doesn't continue the sentence, perhaps he meant they „helped them out of their money“, or „out of their healthy mind“ or something like that. Where's the proof, Christopher? Where are the umpteenthousand RS survivors who were helped? Let them step forward for a few expertises by real psychologists, not by PoV-“trainers“ and such. We want reliable, hard-working scientists to evaluate these claims.

Not to forget: if Chuck S. is so convinced he is helping tens of thousands – why doesn't he have his PoV peer-reviewed? I mean, by real scientists, not by a bunch of snake-oil vendors. Let's see what renowned psychologists make of this so-called therapy. If it is so convincingly excellent as the Spezzanos want to make us believe, then the therapy should pass the review with flying colours.

And there is this gem:
It's the way business has occurred around the world for millennia.
Business? I thought they were on about a therapy! Ah so. Thanks for the clarification, Christopher.

So all of Junior's drivel basically amounts to him publically admitting that his parents do not offer a therapy, they are running a for-profit business to finance their life-style.

Oh, and 2 million people did ACIM? Remember the line of „Eat sh!t – 10 billion flies cannot be wrong“.... On the other hand, 2 million out of 200 (only USA) or probably 400 million (including Europe) – that's not all that much to write home about, innit? Although it is enough to finance a comfy life for a handful of persons. But again: it's a claim, no proof offered.

And Ms Lency 'spearheaded a campaign to learn and expose the truth about Oneness University'?
Perhaps this was a covert action – there's nothing on the internet about this... So, where's the proof, Christopher?

Junior also accuses Mr Greene of 'character assassination'. Funny thing about this is that also German Nuagers and plastics come up with this. The German version (okay, so Germans are said to be efficient) also happens to be a bit more impressive, literally translated we call this „assassination of reputation“. However, there is no such crime in any code of law.


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Hi Thomas, how can you list Morty the Dog as a credible source? It's one of the most unprofessional sites I've ever come across, and again it is rife with misinformation. I would not continue to cite that site as a credible resource to go on the offensive. It also seems to be the main source you share. That you think such a site is credible is what is shocking to me, and that's what I'm trying to get across to you. Morty the Dog, PSIRAM, and NAFPS are unprofessional sites that could be anyone. Both the PSIRAM and NAFPS are both exhaustive in content but again lack credibility. Some of the "research" is simply laughable. The thread on PSIRAM is less than five people doing a bunch of guesswork (or even fewer people pretending to be multiple individuals - you have no idea because the site is unproffessaional [sic] and not credible) between points of misinformation. It's horrible, and it will be corrected. PSIRAM is more academic in its approach - but still unprofessional. WikiPedia itself cannot be seen as a source for verified truth in news or the academic or professional communities, so these knockoffs of Wikipedia fall even further from the mark. The reason for that is anyone could type anything as reported fact, even things that are the furthest thing from the truth, and people like you believe it.
Christopher Haokalani Spezzano

What's worse is that you are perpetuating the misinformation on these sites as professional and academic when they are not.
Christopher Haokalani Spezzano

As far as I have read it, what is published by NAFPS, Morty, Grifters and Psiram may be 'worrisome' and 'unhealthy' as far as the Spezzanos are concerned, as it (hopefully) will decrease their income. Why, they may even have to look for a real, honest job in their ripe age for a change. What we publish, however, is not illegal and it isn't untrue.

And of course Christopher cannot refrain from some racist bits and pieces in offering to educate Mr Greene about his ignorance. Is this something like an obsession with the racist stereotype of the 'stupid ndn' we see here? Christopher may want to take a few more PoV seminars – what was it he wrote again:
As you forgive the outside world, you forgive the outside world, you forgive yourself and heal, and as you forgive yourself and heal, you also forgive and heal your perception of the outside world.

Christopher also believes NAFPS, Psiram, Monthy the Dog, and Grifters Hotel are all lacking credibility, they're unprofessional, and even un-academic. Unfortunately, he's getting on slippery terrain here and calling Psiram un-academical in one sentence, then „more academic“ in another, and his mis-spillings of unprofessional give away he's edgy. Let's take this as an indication the Spezzanos are somewhat worried about their pleasant lifestyle and income.

Perhaps we need to enter some of his sentences into our Nuage to plain English dictionary....

Nuage speak: „They're unprofessional and un-academic“ translates to:
„F---, they're hitting the nail right on the head. They got me by the b---! How do I get out of this mess and keep my income on comfy levels?“

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on January 19, 2014, 07:19:52 pm
Several people have reported feeling suicidal during and after POV seminars. Based on descriptions of what happens in seminars, my guess is that many, many people have felt suicidal, triggered by the abusive POV practices.

Turns out this is used as a selling point.

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The process of going through self annihilation is shattering. You must face the horrendous self hatred we all have buried inside us, which we glimpse only shallowly when we are most depressed. In this process you must face everything you judge in yourself: every flaw, every mistake, every failure, every mortifying embarrassment, every shame, every imperfection and all of your self disgust. It isn't pretty. You want to kill yourself.

So POV tells people that they have to go through this process, in order to eventually find what POV defines as God.

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencyFemininePower.htm (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencyFemininePower.htm)

Lency claims that we all have "horrendous self hatred" buried inside, but she is wrong. Many of us do not. Any of us who do, can find help perhaps from a healthy faith community, and also find counsel with a licensed, ethical, therapist.

Chuck and Lency Spezzano make b.s. up, convince people they have these b.s. problems that only they the Spezzanos understand, and then take lots of $$$ from their victims in exchange for supposed cures.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on January 20, 2014, 09:55:05 pm
Apparently, Spezzano Jr so far did not give up harassing Mr Greene:

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Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
Thomas, you didn't answer my questions.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
Secondly, you can't pin the expenses of travel and living on Psychology of Vision. They get no benefit from that. That should be clear and logical to you. In fact, one of the main reasons why their are program fees is because it is expensive to throw an event with lodging, food, travel, and sometimes international interpreters. This really shouldn't be some earth-shattering revelation. This is how business is done everywhere in the world. Everywhere. You are pinning all of the associated fees of life, expenses and choices that each person has to make as a grown up in this world, onto Psychology of Vision.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
It would be as if I claimed that Columbia University was a cult and teaching me mind control because I went to school there and I had to pay associated of actually living in New York City, while also paying for my tuition and student life fees (that I would pay at any university). Do you see how crazy that sounds?

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
Again, I am asking you to stop this rampage against Psychology of Vision and my parents. The information you are spreading is not true.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
My parents and some of their students attended Oneness University for a little while, but they soon realized that it was not for them. They have no affiliation whatsoever with Oneness University. They do not endorse them in any way.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
Again, the links you sent are not professional. Professional research is done with a scientific, annalytical approach. It is done by peers. Amateur researchers don't often know the first things about doing credible research. Thomas, these sites are creating false materials and spinning the truth to get Internet clicks.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
You are feeding into these sites. Can you please tell me which ones you are contributing to and which posts you've made? I'd like to be able to have the opportunity to counter your arguments in a professional way.

Christopher Haokalani Spezzano
Please answer my questions honestly, I've done the same for all of yours. Did Laura D giving Erick Gonzalez a gift of $50,000? Also, was she romantically enamored with Erick Gonzalez at any time? I'm also curious if Laura D now romantically involved with you? These issues all seem to be very important in regards to the stories you are peddling on the Internet and your Facebook page. I will do my very best to answer any and all of your questions. My parents have nothing to hide, and they've done nothing wrong.

Again, Junior gives us a lot of allegations and no proof, some different racist stereotypes for a change, plus that he now seems to seek refuge to a little smear campaign...

First of all, he is now employing a different racist stereotype by using the term 'rampage' to characterise Mr Greene's efforts to educate the public. The racist stereotype chosen now of course is the 'savage ndn'.

Christopher once more says his parents run a business. This is what NAFPS, Psiram, Morty the Dog, and Grifters Hotel have been saying all the time: PoV is a business, it is no science, and it is not done out of charity to help persons in distress. Other than to help them out of their money, that is. So thanks for another confirmation.

But, Christopher, since you claim to have had an education at a university, you should be aware of the differences between a business and a university. Unfortunately, you aren't. Of course Columbia (if that really was your alma mater, you send your former profs cringing with shame) is no cult. A university, in particular a renowned one, provides its attendants with a diploma, accepted in the business world and in science, on which they can build a life-long career. It is rather pretentious to equate a pyramid scam like PoV with an honourable university. With PoV, persons participating can only expect a sheet of paper not recognized anywhere outside PoV. A university also does not restrict its research to look for further ways to make money from its students, but does independent, scientific research, and this is a far cry from PoV.

Actually, if your parents' enterprise did happen to be a university, their methods and practices would be subject to peer review. Clearly, this has not been the case, it is not presently, and they are trying their utmost to prevent this from ever happening. Just why, since they seem to be so convinced they got the cure-all of all personal problems? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Things being as they are, Christopher's comparison of his parents' outfit to an honourable, renowned university comes across as conceited and pretentious. It seems exposition to PoV makes one lose one's grip of reality and facts.

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My parents have nothing to hide, and they've done nothing wrong.

Oh? What about this little slap Spezzano Sr got in Hawaii for posing as real psychologists?
What about all these trumpeting announcements as 'the world's most renowned psychologist' on numerous websites? Why are there no seminars offered in the USA outside of Hawaii?

And we're also curious why the Spezzanos left California in a hurry in 1982/3, after Chuck having set up shop in a private practice just a few years before? Was this simply because he needed the change to a warm climate with a sea-breeze – oh, wait a minute.... he had this in California already.

We also may detect a certain obsession with professionality or amateurism in Christopher:

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Professional research is done with a scientific, annalytical approach. It is done by peers. Amateur researchers don't often know the first things about doing credible research.

It is quite evident that Christopher isn't able to recognize professional research, even if it bites his behind. First of all, a professional, university-educated professional may be expected to be able to spell. It is somewhat embarassing to publish mis-spillings like „annalytical“, or even „their“ instead of 'there', and even grammatical glitches like „Did she giving...“. I must say, in my day, a course in sociology and politics – as Christopher claims to have done – meant that one not only knew a lot of 10-Dollar-words, but you were also expected to spell them correctly.

Perhaps all these orthographic and grammatic accidents reveal that some people are getting a bit nervous. This would be quite appropriate, since Christopher choses to dig up something from the relic box of racist stereotypes:

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Did Laura D giving Erick Gonzalez a gift of $50,000? Also, was she romantically enamored with Erick Gonzalez at any time? I'm also curious if Laura D now romantically involved with you?

This is not just insolent but goes beyond.
First of all, Christopher here attempts to whitewash the culprit, and turn a victim into the wrongdoer.

A plastic seeking to establish sexual relationships to his female students is something very well known to us here at NAFPS. Many of the plastics do; it is one way in which they try to establish dominion over their supporters and control them. Our boards also offer various examples of plastics inventing so-called ceremonies involving sexual relations, claiming these were genuine native.

Often, plastics are having such relationships while being married or maintaining a longterm relationship to someone they largely keep away from their business. This enables them to claim the marriage or relationship was wrecked which of course is used to raise hopes in the student to become this lady's replacement. It is also not unusual for a plastic to have sexual relations to more than one of their students at the same time, telling them to keep this quiet so that the other students don't become jealous. Just look at various threads here at NAFPS, there are several examples.

Another category of plastics is not content on starting relationships to those of his students willing enough, but prey on the reluctant ones. This perhaps gives them a more profound impression of their abilities. There are also various examples of such behaviour in our threads. Still another category of plastics commit rape which makes it very plain that this is not about sexual needs or desires, but about dominion, control, and exerting power.

Any such a relationship between a 'master' and a student also is not a relationship between two consenting and equal adults – it cannot be. There will always be power distinctions, an imbalance in power between the persons involved, which again shows such relations are about dominion and control in the first place. Exerting power and control over others is what the plastic is after and one strong motivation for them to enter this business, and a plastic can only maintain the flow of cash coming in as long as he is able to maintain control and dominion over his students.

As far as Gonzalez is concerned, he seems to be afraid to just rely on sweet-talking and also employs various drugs to make his students stay & pay.

Anyways, it is wrong and insolent to call such relationships "romantic", as Christopher does. This constellation is not about romance, never was, and never will be. While such a relationship lasts, it is employed to make women comply with the demands of the plastic. When the relationship, or the commitment to the cult, has ended, such an allegation is also convenient to smear the credibility of a person - whether the allegation happens to be true or whether it is a lie to begin with.

In which way is Christopher's allegation concerning Ms D racist? There are several aspects. One of them is the soooper-potent non-white male (as I take it Christopher will have swallowed Gonzalez claims of being Maya hook, line, and sinker) who also happens to be far better equipped than your usual white male. And of course to a racist, all these potent, abundantly equipped non-white males are eager to lay white women, 24/7. The racist even goes farther and believes that once a woman has experienced such a superior non-white stallion, they are damaged and can never again be content with a white man. Of course women inclined to have sexual relations with a non-white persons will be 'loose women' to the racist who thus relegates them into a lesser class.

Actually, this meant quite an effort to dig down into the racist relic box that it is hard to believe a person not even 40 years of age holds such beliefs. Two possibilities come to mind: Christopher only wrote what his father (whose age is far more in congruence with having been exposed to such stereotypes) told him to write, or Christopher passed on his password to his FB account.

Another possibility is that this attitude reflects which values and attitudes Christopher had taught to him in his parental home.

Wait a minute – and persons passing on attitudes like this are out to help First Nations, Asians etc to evolve, and to heal them? Errrrmmm....

Another racist stereotype this little smear campaign of Christopher's involves is once more the 'stupid ndn' which, again, is aimed at Mr Greene for allegedly believing the tales of a 'loose woman' and taking them serious, so that he is prompted to mutate into a 'savage' going on „rampants“.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on January 20, 2014, 10:18:39 pm
In regards to analysis, Chuck Spezzano in his book If It Hurts, It Isn't Love, states:

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Analyzing a problem is resisting the solution, because to analyze is to break up the whole into little pieces by thinking we will find the answer there. "Analyze" is really "anal lies"

http://books.google.com/books?id=_fEjIeMzeaYC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=%22chuck+spezzano%22+anal+lies&source=bl&ots=OY8iacq7k3&sig=HcTPDuMmpmutDxHZDjnpincGK08&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eJ3dUqLgKYGHogT9g4DQAQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22chuck%20spezzano%22%20anal%20lies&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=_fEjIeMzeaYC&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=%22chuck+spezzano%22+anal+lies&source=bl&ots=OY8iacq7k3&sig=HcTPDuMmpmutDxHZDjnpincGK08&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eJ3dUqLgKYGHogT9g4DQAQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22chuck%20spezzano%22%20anal%20lies&f=false)



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on January 31, 2014, 07:58:50 pm
Because Christopher Spezzano continues to try to bully critics on Facebook, I want to encourage him and others to join the discussion here, if they can be civil, and respect the rules. Facebook just isn't going to work for a proper discussion. Bullying doesn't help either.

In regards to bullying - attempts to discredit critics by bringing up their possible 12 step meeting participation is so wrong. Any of us working to be clean and sober deserve some basic human dignity. Claiming that critics are bad because they may have struggled with substance abuse, may have gone to meetings, just makes bullies look like what they are - bullies.

Neither does the "woman scorned" tactic work either. Claiming that a survivor is "just" a woman scorned, and so should not be listened to, is a classic attempt to discredit the messenger and distract from the message. 

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: debbieredbear on January 31, 2014, 09:48:49 pm
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In regards to bullying - attempts to discredit critics by bringing up their possible 12 step meeting participation is so wrong. Any of us working to be clean and sober deserve some basic human dignity. Claiming that critics are bad because they may have struggled with substance abuse, may have gone to meetings, just makes bullies look like what they are - bullies.

I second this. I was at a spiritual event, to which a big fraud came. He was NOT leading this. The person who lead it was "the real deal." The leader asked two young men to sing for him. Before they sang, they thanked him and others for helping them get clean and sober. The fraud, when he got a chance to speak, went on and on about how HE had never drank and HE had never used drugs. The women on either side of me, gasped at his rudeness. Some people think that never drinking and never using drugs makes them superior. It does not.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on February 02, 2014, 11:16:09 pm
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Our kahuna (Hawaiian shaman) wrote a book called Change We Must, and this is the month where we can prepare physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually for transformation.

This is from Chuck Spezzano's December 2008 Nightlight Newsletter. There is quite a bit wrong about this sentence and this sentence also represents the general wrongness of Chuck's entire Psych-Nuage endeavors.

I don't think kahuna = "Hawaiian shaman". I don't know what he means by "our kahuna" - don't know if he means his family has one, Psychology of Vision has one, or if he is saying that Hawaii has one.

He says "our kahuna" "wrote a book called Change We Must". So he is saying that "our kahuna" was Nan Veary, author of Change We Must: My Spiritual Journey.

But  this is not accurate. Nana Veary was not a kahuna, never claimed to be.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=773.msg32181#msg32181 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=773.msg32181#msg32181) Here she is on a list of Recommended Reading - Native Hawaiian Resources.


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Nana Veary

Change We Must
The life story of one of Hawai‘i’s most respected kupuna. She tells delightful stories of growing up with her grandparents, learning ho‘oponopono, feeding sharks, listening to plants, and her religious journey of spirituality from ‘aumakua to Pentecostalism to Unity to Zen Buddhism.

Kupuna does not equal kahuna.

So Chuck (who also claims that he himself is an initiated kahuna) got all that wrong. He then uses what he has mangled for his own personal agenda.

Credit is due to the good folks at Huna is not Hawaiian https://www.facebook.com/AboutHuna (https://www.facebook.com/AboutHuna)  for helping understand this.


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on February 03, 2014, 11:51:41 pm

There is actually something like a peer review on PoV available:

http://miami.uni-muenster.de/servlets/DerivateServlet/Derivate-2119/diss_elbina.pdf

This is an inaugural dissertation:
Abdelwahab Elbina: Psychology in modern everyday perception, experience, and actions. Münster 2004

On p. 231 ff, Elbina points out:

„The scene of healing the soul in our contemporary therapy society is very manyfold, historically intertwined in a complex way and in part hardly manageable. Nonetheless, one may speak today of a sort of parallel three-worlds therapy society resp mainly of three therapy cultures co-existing side by side:

1. The regular culture of the world of lawful therapies
[…]

2. Those therapies which enjoy scientific recognition resp are scientifically founded, but have not as yet been introduced to the catalogue of health insurance paid therapies, like e.g. client centered therapy, family therapy, or systemic therapy. This second type of therapy culture often is discursively integrated in a universitarian/academic framework [...]

3.  Apart from these two worlds of therapy cultures, one can encounter, in a manner of speaking in the wild, a fastly increasing, unmanageable abundance of wild alternativ therapy forms which are neither interested in scientific recognition nor in recognition by health insurances (the „free“ alternative therapy culture).
[...]

The alternative culture of wild therapies has contributed to the emergence of an approach of „He who helps is right“. During this research of today's psycho-culture, I encountered the following forms of alternative therapies (unsorted due to reasons of capacity and space): „Primal Scream Therapy“ (Arthur Janov), „Tantric Approach“ („Orgasmic Potential!), the „Healing Power of Erotic Energy“ (Osho Rajneesh/Baghwan), „Psychology of Vision“ (Chuck Spezzano, 2001), „Suggestion Therapy“, „Positive Psychology“, „NLP Therapy“, „Perceptual Cybernetics […]“

There are in fact more than two pages of so-called alternative therapies listed by Mr Elbina – among the others are:
Enneagram Seminars, Psycho-Somatic Energetics and Energy Healing, Radical Therapy, Sound Therapy, Touch for Health, Physio-Holistic Therapy, Hazelden Therapy, Family Constellation according to Bert Hellinger, Spiritual Lightwork, Breath Therapy, Shamanic Work with the Inner Child, Feldenkrais and Dance with Waveworks, Psychedelic Therapy, Aura-Soma Therapy, Work of Byron Katie, anthroposophically oriented psychotherapy, Psychotonics, astrological psychotherapy, Light Healing, Crystal Therapy, Mind Machines Therapy, Mind-Body Medicine, Craniosacral Therapy, Osteopathy, Craniosacral Balancing, Emotional Release, Psycholytic Therapy, Dolphin Therapy, Colour Light Therapy, Shamanic Drumming, Orgone Therapy, Acupressure, Bach Blossoms, Neo-Tantra, Rolfing, Satsang, Psychogenetics according to Chris Griscom, Prana Healing, Channeling, Feng Shui, Core Energetics Therapy, Impasse-Priority Therapy, Transpersonal Psychotherapy, Healing Hypnosis, Exstatic Trance, Holotropic Breathwork, Soul Retrieval, Selfresonant Healing, Body-Mind Centering, Body Scan, Focussing, Hoffman Quadrinity Process, Recall Therapy, Kinesiology, Behavioural Kinesiology, Brahma Kumaris, Reincarnation Therapy and many more.

The dissertation earned Mr Elbina the title of a Doctor in Psychology, so this does give us an idea which standing „Psychology of Vision“ has in academia and scientifically-based Psychology.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on February 05, 2014, 03:29:35 pm
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Spezzano has told audiences that he has seen, for example, cancer and haemerrrhoids cured through his use of Psychology of Vision, which is influenced by Course material.

(The Course referred to is A Course in Miracles)

New Age: A Guide : Alternative Spiritualities from Aquarian Conspiracy to Next Age, Daren Kemp, Edinburgh University Press, 2004 - pg 22
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on February 05, 2014, 04:23:59 pm
Jeff Allen in the UK is a POV master trainer. He and his wife Sue run Vision Works for Life, which is directly POV related. He is a member of the POV Steering Committee, which in the 2011 POV trainer's manual are listed as Chuck and Lency Spezzano, Jeff Allen, Hiromi and Hideaki Kurihara, Julie Wookey, and Francine Girard.

He claims an:

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early and powerful connection to the land, the wildlife, and the tribal and shamanic practices of Africa.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on February 05, 2014, 10:17:02 pm

Christopher Spezzano is still bullying Mr Greene on Facebook:

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The stories that are being spread on these sites are ridiculous and often lewd. Are you aware that Grifters and NAFPS both have posted falsified information, quotes, and even book titles? Do you stand behind this? Can you see that anyone can post anything on those sites? Well, almost anything, nothing we've posted to try and clear up these materials is kept on those defamation sites very long. Administrators seem to delete comments almost instantly if it counters or disagrees with the hate campaign that those sites have launched against us with your help. These sites have no professional standing, these are not peers reviewing others in an open, dignified manner. The people involved with these sites can pretend to be a anyone and hide in the shadows as they lie and create more fodder for their and your hate campaign. No one uses their real names. There is no ability to provide a rebuttal. It's awful and these people want to destroy us, it sounds like they would be happy if we were wiped from the earth. As one human being to another, I can't tell you what an awful experience this is for us, especially because my parents have done nothing wrong.

So then, Christopher, please do provide information as to exactly which information put up here or at Grifters Hotel was 'falsified'. However, this does not involve information which got hastily changed and adjusted on PoV et al. sites after the horse had bolted. If something was 'falsified', as you claim, this means changes were effected malevolently and on purpose. You want to give proof for an accusation like this.

And quite to contrary of what you claim, Christopher, admins at NAFPS do not delete posts made by supporters of plastics, let alone 'instantly'. This is an unfounded allegation, and one you cannot prove.
You also don't need to worry about our standing, professional or not. If there is any rebuttal you want to publish here at NAFPS, please submit it. But of course once it is published, all of us may feel free to criticise it and perhaps this is what you don't like. Errrm, then again you said 'no ability', not: no possibility.
However, from the above quote it becomes apparent that you also don't know what peer review means. Someone who claims an academic education should know.

So you say your parents 'have done nothing wrong'. I think I asked about that little slap way back in 2004 before, for posing as a psychologist. Meanwhile, we have learned that Spezzano Sr also claims to have been 'initiated' (Nuage speak once more) as a 'kahuna', so he has been exploiting indigenous cultures before he hit British Columbia. Cultural exploitation is wrong. 'Nothing' seems an inappropriate word, doesn't it.


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They've been doing their best to provide healing to the planet, and they've completely changed the lives of tens of thousands of people. They've saved countless individuals, marriages, and families. They help people reach forgiveness and reconnect with loved ones. There is no brainwashing. There is no funny money.

Oops, aren't we getting a bit big-headed here, Christopher? Healing the planet? Perhaps you should rethink this phrase – healing the universe sounds much nicer and way more, yes: universal. 'Healing the planet' is also best Nuage speak and reveals what PoV is and intends to be.
Again, Christopher, you just speak about 'countless individuals, marriages, and families' without offering any proof for even as much as one. So where's the peer review for PoV?

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I was also told that while you may have used AA to quit drinking, that you've had a notorious cocaine problem and that you've also been harassing others in your community, sometimes sexually with kissy noises and worse

Is there any rule or even law saying that a person who used to abuse substances is not allowed to voice criticism? No, of course there isn't. You also will be very much aware that this reference to earlier problems is way besides the point. It is only employed to shame Mr Greene in the hopes of making him shut up. This is called bullying and intimidation. If there is no other ways in which you can support your parents, I'd recommend you abstain from trying – with friends like you, they don't need enemies.

The same goes for Christpoher taking exception at some alleged „kissy noises“ Mr Greene may or (more probably) may not have made. But really, Christopher – are you that easy to shock? I mean, your father publishes books with sentences like:

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I love sex as much as the next man. Okay, maybe even more than the next man, because I'm Italian.
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If you ever don't know what Chuck is talking about, just assume it has a sexual reference. […] He can't help it; he's Italian.
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I look at the world with three eyes. A guy's view of the world is limited. […] He doesn't realize that looking at the world through his „periscope“ does not give him the „whole“ perspective.  And as we all know: „Women are from Venus. Men are from Penis.“
(Quotes from: Chuck Spezzano, What Men Don't Know about Sex, 2001. 78 pages)

So the man's father uses cheap excuses for talking dirty as much as he can and Christopher here pretends to swoon and faint at some 'kissy noises'? ? ? Pull another one – this one had bells on it.

Apart from that, it is of course not true that Chuck S. is Italian: he is of Italian ancestry. But using one's ancestry and their nationality, alleged or factual, as an excuse for a little private (or not so private, since he's writing books about it) obsession with sex – well, that's a lame one. It may come as a surprise to the Spezzanos, but there is no Italian gene for dirty talk or salaciousness.

I'd like to second Piff's above invitation: join this board and we can discuss the issue with you. Just refrain from any bawdy talk, four letter words, and childish behaviour.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on February 06, 2014, 01:12:25 am
Charles Lee Spezzano was licensed as a Marriage and Family Therapist 08/15/1980 - 05/31/1990. California license, address of record in Hawaii. But in the 1996 edition of Marquis Who's Who of the West, his bio leads with "Spezzano, Charles Lee, psychologist ".

Maybe Chuck was licensed elsewhere at that time, and we just can't find record of it. He was eventually in legal trouble in 2004.

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In fact, Charles Spezzano was fined in 2004 for acting like a psychologist while not being licensed by the state of Hawaii.

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)

Here is a good read about some of the Who’s Who scams (hat tip to Ingeborg for locating this) http://www.forbes.com/forbes-life-magazine/1999/0308/063.html  (http://www.forbes.com/forbes-life-magazine/1999/0308/063.html). The books may appear prestigious, but people write their own bios, and the info is not always fact checked.

So reading this bio, we need to keep in mind that Chuck wrote it.

It costs $7.95 to see the full bio online, a partial snippet view can be found through Google Books.

WorldCat has these notes included for their catalog entry on the bio:

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Occupation: seminar leader, lecturer, trainer, writer
Born: 1948
Education: BA in Psychology and Philosophy, Duquesne University, 1970
Education: MA in Sociology, Duquesne University, 1971
Education: PhD in Counseling and Psychology, U.S. International University, 1977
Career: Pres., lecturer, seminar leader, author, Spezzano & Associates, Ltd., Kaneohe, Hawaii, 1990—
Career: Founder, seminar leader, Break-Through Seminars, Tokyo, 1985
Career: Private practice marriage, family and child counselor, 1980-92
Career: Interim minister, Windward Unity Church, Kailua, Hawaii, 1983-84
Career: Senior trainer, ARAS Training Corp., San Diego, 1979-80
Career: Psychologist, therapy supervisor, workshop coordinator, Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center, National Academy of Sciences Miramar, San Diego, 1973-79
Career: Director community relations, counselor, Bradshear Associate, Pittsburgh, 1971-72

I'd never come across this one before: Founder, seminar leader, Break-Through Seminars, Tokyo, 1985 - I suppose this could have been a couple of seminars he took out for a spin in Tokyo as he worked on fine tuning his act.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on February 09, 2014, 06:03:23 pm

The PoV site also provides a German version of the Trainers' Manual. The English version of the Manual is discussed in several articles over at 'Morty the Dog':
http://mortydog.blogspot.de/2014/02/psychology-of-vision-trainers-manual_8.html

German Trainers' Manual:
http://www.pov-int.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-dt-Trainerhandbuch.pdf

There are a few interesting details in that Manual, e.g. regarding payment of licence fees. Apparently, every trainer is supposed to pay an annual 'licence fee' according to grade aquired:

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page 21
trainer grade 1: 5,000
trainer grade 2: 6,750
trainer grade 3: 7,500
trainer grade 4: 8,000

These were the amounts due in 2013.
The PoV site names 46 trainers altogether, with no detail given as to their resp grade. In the comment section of a YouTube video, Lency Spezzano claims there were 52 PoV trainers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJTpkQ6R4oQ
However, details as to actual figures might get adjusted subject to circumstance: While presently the PoV site claims eight trainers in Canada, a twitter message from Babs Stevens, a Canadian PoV trainer, dd April 27, 2009 reads:
https://twitter.com/babsstevens/status/1636002244
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14 Canadian POV trainers co-facilitated a 2 1/2 day workshop 'The Spirit of Partnership' awesome healing happened!! Go Canada Go!!!

So assuming trainers will be paying grade II fees on average, a total of 52 trainers will pay an annual sum of $ 351,000.

However, payment details given for trainers in 'Mainland Europe' are also quite interesting:

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page 24/25
"Payment of annual licences must be made in US Dollar per bank transfer to:
International Association of Psychology of Vision
Vom Staalweg 3, 4500 Solothurn, Switzerland
Bank address: Credit Suisse (CS)
P.O.Box 3xx, 4502 Solothurn, Schweiz
Account no: 150 2491xxx
Swift Code: CRESCHxxxxx
IBAN: CH87 0483 5150 xxxxx
Bank clearing: 48xxxxx
All cost for transfering amounts have to be covered by payer.
Further inquiries to be made with Susanne Ernst: su.ernst@xxx "

Oh, a Swiss bank account? To which all 'Mainland Europe' trainers are supposed to transfer their annual licence fee.

As of yet, 'Mainland Europe' consists of the three countries of Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. Since it is apparent that there are a few more countries to be subsumed as 'mainland Europe', this offers some future perspectives.

However, there is NO company or association by the name of „International Association of Psychology of Vision“. Google the name, and the only two results Google comes up with are from the PoV Trainers' Manual, English and German versions. It is nowhere registered as a company or an association, and it doesn't even get mentioned outside the Manuals.
This means European trainers are expected to pay their annual fees to a Swiss account owned by whomever and to which whoever might have access to. Isn't this quite convenient an arrangement? For whoever, that is.

The Manual also mentions a „PoV International Association“ or „PoVia“ - same again: this association is nowhere registered, and Google can only find two results for it: the PoV Trainers' Manual.

Since the English manual seems to date back from 2010 (specifying the fees due for 2011), while the German version dates from 2012 (fees due for 2013), this seems more than an accidential oversight.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on February 09, 2014, 11:49:57 pm

Some more info re this „International Association“ which allegedly owns the bank account.

Googling the above mentioned address does provide results:
The address in the town of Solothurn belongs to a company by the name of:
PoV-DACH GmbH which was founded in 2012 and is a successor of a liquidated company named Psychology of Vision DACH.

DACH simply stands for the three countries Germany (Deutschland), Austria, and CH is for Switzerland.
'GmbH' is more or less the same as a limited liabilty company.

This is the info provided by Swiss authorities on PoV-DACH GmbH:

http://www.moneyhouse.ch/domizil/Solothurn/Vom_Staal-Weg_3.htm

The official info names Susanne Ernst as a recipient of correspondence.
Three names are connected to the PoV DACH: Susanne Ernst, Mathias Keller, Josef Neuschmid.
While Ernst and Keller are mentioned on the site with a trainer's bio, Neuschmid doesn't show up anywhere on PoV sites as a trainer, but is mentioned in several advertisements of lectures and seminars done by PoV or Chuck Spezzano in person.

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PoV-DACH GmbH, in Solothurn, CH-241.4.011.204-3, Vom Staal-Weg 3, 4500 Solothurn, Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (Neueintragung). [company with limited liability (newly founded)
Statutendatum: [date of statute] 31.07.2012.

Purpose: Organisation and conducting of lectures and events in the field of awareness raising, personality development and communication as well as trading goods of all sorts, and realising of further services connected to the main purpose. May adapt related branches of business, hold interest in other enterprises at home or abroad resp resume or found enterprises, establish branches at home and abroad and furthermore engage in all commercial, financial, and other activities which will further the enterprise's purpose as well as purchase, hold, and sell real estate and properties at home and abroad
Capital fund: CHF 21,000.00.
Persons registered: Ernst, Susanne of Basel, Solothurn, associate and head of management board, single signing authority, 70 parts per stirpes at CHF 100.00 each
Keller, Mathias of Oberbueren, Worb, associate and manager, single signing authority, 70 parts
Neuschmid, Josef, Austrian national, Zurich, associate and manager, single signing authority. 70 parts per stirpes.

Please take due note that there is no mention of any therapies in general or psychotherapy in particular. Neither does counseling get mentioned, or healing.
However, the company's statutes give it the freedom to engage in a multitude of economic activities, like trading goods of all sorts, selling and buying real estate in all countries, it may aquire other companies both at home and abroad – in one word „engage in all commercial, financial, and other activities which will further the enterprise's purpose“. This is carte blanche for PoV-DACH GmbH to do whatever they like – or rather: whatever secures a profit.

And also please take due note that the GmbH was founded in 2012 to replace a former association or company named „Psychology of Vision DACH“ which had been founded in 2003.

On the other hand, despite having been liquidated in 2012, PoV-DACH still seems to have an active Facebook site with entries from Feb 2014:
https://de-de.facebook.com/pages/Psychology-of-Vision-DACH/129397559608

This is info on the liquidated PoV-DACH:
http://www.moneyhouse.ch/u/psychology_of_vision_dach_CH-241.6.003.671-7.htm

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Date of registration: 09.12.2003
Purpose:
The Association's purpose is to further personality development, health, and spirituality. This may be achieved, amongst others, by offering courses, seminars, lectures or other events, through public relations as well as by other suitable activities.

Comparing the two statements re their purpose, the GmbH has a far broader range of activities.
However, the fields of 'health' and 'spirituality', mentioned with the association, have been omitted in the LLC statement of purpose.

Title: Re: PoV First Nations Fund
Post by: Ingeborg on February 10, 2014, 04:41:45 pm

The PoV site publishes a Trainers Manual both in English and in German language. At first sight, these seem to be identical, until one realises that the German version is considerably longer than the English one. Comparing the respective tables of content, it becomes apparent that the German version contains an entire section which is not to be found in the English one: Section K.

Section K deals with the so-called First Nations Fund. So it appears somewhat odd that this part of the Manual is not included in the English version. Further reading suggests a few reasons as to why section K does not get published in English language:

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K. International Guidelines of Price Reductions for PoV trainers, staff, participants, and partnership with the First Nations (FN)

1) Definition and Principles of the international funds and reductions within PoV
PoV means to set an example of sustainable support. Therefore, our approach is that of an empowering system for individuals or groups who are in need of temporary assistance. The following principles are the result of first experience with financing participants and trainers. The goal is future success.

Principles:

No rebates and no special cases which would result in the loss of equality.

All 100-Day Graduates (including trainers and participants of the Master Programme) receive a reduction of 50% on PoV events. Exception: Promoters who are not able to give such a rebate.

Promoters have the option to grant free access to workshops in exchange with equivalent jobs.

Trainers who feel inspired to support a certain issue are free to do so according to their own means. These issues will not be supported by the PoV Trainers' Programme – neither financially nor in the way of a reduced trainer's licence fee.

Among the funds which have emerged from inspirations by various trainers are presently: Bangladesh, Africa, India, and Buddhist monks and nuns.
This sort of funds have developed from trainers' own initiative, their commitment, and with the support of various trainers and are therefore no issues supported/promoted by PoV.

2 PoV FN Partnership and Pov FN Fund definition

There is a programme supported by PoV – the First Nation Fund. This programme developed from a vision which still unfolds. Through the actions of First Nations, many relationships between PoV and FN participants and trainers have developed over the years, and there were many investments. The PoV Trainers Programme will also in future financially support FN seminar participants and trainers. Subsequently, the details of the FN Fund will be given in detail:

p 45

3 The First Nation Fund
Of the existing First Nation Fund, 50% go to FN trainers working with First Nations in remote reservations and communities and to FN trainers whose participation in Trainers' Conferences is supported.
The other 50% of the First Nation Fund are used to support FN seminar participants in the 100-Day Programme as well as seminar participants who aim at becoming trainers themselves.

Reduction of Seminar Fees

Promotors who do not organise specific FN events are free to grant rebates of up to 50% to FN participants.

FN seminar participants have to apply for the scholarship with the Promoter and are obliged to send a copy of their application to Susan How (susan @ povcanada com). Contents of the application is the reason why a reduction is applied for, and an explanation in which way an FN scholarship may contribute to the wellbeing of the planet (e.g. when the seminar participant intends to apply POV contents within family or community resp pass them on to tribal elders or supervisors in the tribe).

As a gesture of „gratitude“ to have obtained a scholarshop, the applicant is obliged to send their seminar results in the form of a letter to Susan How and to the Promoter of the event subsequently to the seminar.

Financial Support

Will be granted for events contributing to graduation from the 100-Day-Programme or meet Trainer expectations.

Presently financial support is only given for longer trainings (at least 5 days) with Master Trainers, if the Fund is able to support the event.

It is possible to have travel expenses of FN participants to an FN workshop supported financially.


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FN participants must apply for additional financial support for travel expenses, accomodation or other expenses for the training chosen by them. Contents of the application is the reason why a reduction is applied for, an explanation in which way a scholarship could contribute to the wellbeing of the planet (e.g. {b]seminar participants intend to apply PoV contents within family or community resp pass on to tribal elders or superiors in the tribe[/b]).

As a gesture of „gratitude“, applicant is obliged to communicate their seminar results in form of a letter subsequent to the seminar.

Applications for financial support must be sent to Susan How:
susan @ povcanada dot com

Donations which intend to support one or several FN participants with the payment of their seminar fees are welcome.

The FN Fund manager receives $ 100 USD [sic] per month. Presently, Susan How is the manager of the FN Fund.


4 PoV FN Trainer work (workshops on the basis of donation) in FN communities

The FN community must write a letter to FN Fund manager Susan How (susan @ povcanada dot com) in order to initiate the support by an FN trainer in their community via contractual agreement. The agreement must contain all issues regarding the aspect of workshop costs.

Splitting of costs: one part (50%) of the costs will be covered by the event organiser, the other part (50%) will be supported by the FN Fund.

All materials (brochures, flyer, or other promotional material) must be marked as a PoV cooperation between an FN community or FN organisation and the PoV FN Fund.

Should an FN fee occur, it must be identified that this fee will only cover workshop costs. The fee must correspond with local market value.

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A probable profit will be shared 50/50 between the PoV Fund and the FN community. The profit share of the FN community must be spent on future PoV events or on the establishment of PoV.

Subsequently to the event, the community is obliged to write a letter containing a short financial report on the cost and number of participants of the event. In this way, balance and transparency of relations are meant to be observed.

Workshop costs (including costs for staff):

Travel expense or petrol, or both in case of confirmation
Accomodation
Catering for employees (lunch may optionally be served for participants if catering is not available otherwise; costs for lunch can be added to the seminar fee).
Taxi to and from airport.
Accomodation in town if the trainer cannot travel directly from flight to FN community.
Rent of stereo equipment.
Fee for DJ of $ 150 USD [sic] per workshop.
Child care for the children of course instructor if necessary.
FN workshops on donation basis with PoV Master Trainers or Chuck and Lency

Other participants may participate in FN workshops on donation basis and pay a fee corresponding with event fees outside of FN communities. Fees of such participants will be used as means of payment for the costs of the workshop. The number of such participants is limited to 25% of the total number of participants in the event.


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5 Prerequisites for FN Trainers and Exchange of Trainer's Licence

Payment of the same licence fees as all other trainers.

It is possible to pay the licence fee, in part or in total, through work with FN participants:

Balance of $ 350 USD [sic] per seminar day held in FN groups with at least 4 participants.
$ 175 USD for every half workshop day of four hours (in the morning, in the afternoon, or in the evening) with at least 4 participants.

$ 40 USD for every Coaching Session with FN clients (one session is one hour of interactive work on a specific issue). Further $ 40 USD will be paid by client.

$ 50 USD for every counceling with an FN trainer applicant (cf Prerequisites of FN applications).

Status control of FN trainers' licence will be done by means of quarterly reports of FN trainers and will be retraced by the FN trainers' year coach.

The FN trainers' coach will report to PoV Trainer Programme Manager (Francine Girard).

Note: If FN trainers receive payment for their event with FN participants, the FN trainer will receive no exchange on his/her trainer's licence, and the FN community is not entitled to finanical support from the First Nation Fund.

Should the balance of exchange with the trainer's licence of an FN trainer exceed the cost of the trainer's licence, it will not be possible to transfer the rest of the balance into the following calender year. The trainer, however, is free to transfer the balance to the trainer's licence of another FN trainer.

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6) Prerequisites for application as an FN trainer

All persons interested in the PoV Trainers' Programme must take part in the Master Programme one year prior to their application. FN members will receive a 50% rebate on the fees of the Master Programme.

During their first trainer's year, FN Trainers will pay half (50%) of the current trainer licence of a T1 Trainer.

During the year of application as a PoV Trainer, the FN applicant will receive monthly counceling by a current FN Trainer (the FN Trainer Councillor will receive a credit of one counceling worth $ 50 USD per month in exchange of their own licence fee).

During the year of application as a PoV Trainer, the applicant is obliged to support FN Trainers in their workshops. Their costs will be taken care of (First Nations Fund) and their assistance will be credited with $ 100 USD per workshop-day on their first Trainers' Licence fee.

Emphasis mine


First of all it is to be noted that section K does not mention how the fund is funded. Where does the money come from? Are PoV'ers expected to make regular contributions? This is probably the or one way the fund receives monies, as a video put up at YouTube suggests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYPG8Gzc-jI

However, there is no information provided regarding the funding, or how contributors to the fund will receive information on how the fund will spend monies received. The info provided by section K suggests that the actual use of monies is decided upon by the so-called Fund Manager which is PoV trainer Susan How. Apparently, there is no other body controling the Fund Manager. Within the hierarchic system of PoV, How probably receives directions and answers to persons higher up in the system, and this will be the so-called Steering Committee comprised of Chuck and Lency Spezzano and the present four Master Trainers.
 
It is not transparent from section K who else may be responsible for the accounting of the FN Fund, so no information is available to contributors as to the amonts received by the fund, either. As far as contributors are concerned, the fund may as well be a giant black hole. I wouldn't say the fund was nothing but a black hole, but as transparency is neither intended nor offered, it is easy to see how the fund may become one. The only instance in which section K does demand transparency concerns the use of funds by FN communities towards the FN Fund. In other words: while the Fund expects transparency by recipients of monies, it is not willing to grant transparency regarding its own handling of monies.

Title: Re: PoV First Nations Fund and the systematic targeting of First Nations
Post by: Ingeborg on February 10, 2014, 04:54:01 pm

Additionally, the way funding of events and trainers is described in the above section K, we may speak of the fund enabling and encouraging a systematic targeting of ndn nations and ndn communities, which is what happened and still happens in British Columbia. Our friends at Psiram have found ads, reports etc for PoV events in several nations throughout British Columbia.

Of course this system of targeting does not get lined out in so many words in the manual, however, there are various incentives to organise FN events presented in section K:

As far as I understand the manual, benefits under the FN Fund do not only apply to trainers who are FN themselves, but also to white trainers doing events and counseling in FN communities for an FN clientele. Trainers will have their expenses largely refunded and can even work off their trainer's licence fees in part or in total by events etc organised in an FN setting. This is quite an incentive - and one which works to the inclusion, or rather: targeting of more and more FN nations and FN communities. In particular since comparable regulations do not apply when trainers organise events for a non-NF clientele.

A second aspect targets FN trainers and trainer applicants, and through them, FN nations. In order to receive funding, they have to explain how their becoming a trainer may contribute to the 'wellbeing of the planet'. One may argue that this reflects a certain conceitedness on behalf of PoV, but it certainly puts pressure on trainers and trainer applicants since their work is expected to have effects on the entire planet, not just one ndn nation. Some possibilities are being introduced to trainers and applicants, like e.g. they must commit themselves to applying PoV within their families. They may also commit themselves to passing on PoV methods to their tribal elders (this is sheer colonisation!) and to their supervisors within tribal structures. From the word chosen in the German version, it is quite clear that applicants will promise to 'mission' their bosses within tribal managements and draw them into the PoV system and apply PoV methods and take PoV seminars and courses, too.

Given the structures and control instruments lined out in section K, these assertions will be more than a convenient lip service to receive funding, but their realisation will be supervised by PoV, e.g. with trainers having to hand in quarterly reports. So before being accepted into the trainers' programme, applicants will assert in writing that they will start their own snowball system of luring in more and more persons from their social and professional environments. Not only family members, but tribal elders and tribal representatives and managers, i.e. targeting both the traditional structures and the 'modern', present-day management of nations and communities.

This means the attack is not (only) from bottom up, but rather the other way round: from top to bottom. Get elders, managers, traditional representatives in your pocket who then will change tribal structures from above and make tribal members discard their traditional ways in favour of PoV. At the same time, FN participants not part of tribal managements or not of elder status will be worked at during seminars, 'joinings', 'counseling' sessions etc to drop tribal traditions in favour of PoV methods.

Communities and nations who accept PoV in their region thus invite termination and cultural ethnocide – and what's worse, the system will make them realise much of this themselves. As PoV members (and particularly as profiteers receiving benefits from PoV funding), they will have to discard whatever PoV tells them to get rid of in the way of their traditional way of life, world view, customs, etc., probably up to their identity as FN. All this, however, is done under the disguise of being particularly 'FN friendly' - although this happens to be the same old, same old: as a strategy, this has been applied for several hundreds of years, and during the last say 150 years with an emphasis. Or, as the founder of Carlisle Indian School (the first residential school for ndn children in the USA) used to put it: 'Kill the Indian and keep the man'. In plain words, PoV uses the racist approach of white persons knowing best what is good for the Natives.

Once again, First Nations are denied to make their own decisions and to develop on terms chosen by themselves, but are expected to accept whatever gets handed out to them and be grateful for it. And this gratitude is even demanded and controled by PoV as persons receiving monies from the fund are 'obliged' to write letters to express this 'gratitude'. In most cultures on this planet, *expecting* gratitude is viewed as a no-go, and this includes FN cultures. So instead of being particularly FN-friendly and reflecting a vast similarity to FN cultures, as PoV claims, it in fact violates essential values of these cultures.

The eventual result for FN PoV members and trainers will be deculturation, in favour of an acculturation into a cult and snowball scam. Which means the trophy to be won is even less than with governmentally introduced strategies: not acculturation into the dominant culture, but into the fringe culture of a cult aiming at keeping a tight grip on their victims in order to keep profits rolling in for the cult's top few.

As a good part of PoV activities in native communities seems to be events and seminars for children and teenagers, they furthermore ascertain that part of the young generation is introduced to a set of rules and values not in compliance with tribal traditions and ways of life, while at the same time also making them more or less unable to adjust to the dominant culture. One way in which this is ensured by cults e.g. is the redefinition of terms and words who are given a different, cult-specific meaning. Terms like 'downloading' or 'joining' come into mind here, but are only two examples of such a redefined vocabulary. In the long run, this means communication with and relations to the world outside of the cult are becoming difficult for cult members, and thus get minimized.

Within First Nations, this targeting eventually will contribute to the creation of a two-class society of those who belong to the cult, and those who don't. As tribal managements are included in the assault, further pressure on FN members to take PoV seminars and counselings is easy to imagine and even encouraged by this system.

It is therefore quite apparent why section K only gets published in the German version of the Trainers' Manual: If I was PoV, I'd hate to publish section K in a language understood in Canada.



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 18, 2014, 12:13:37 pm
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"Chuck Spezzano is available for private coaching sessions while he is in the UK in April and July 2014. His fee is £675 per hourly session."

http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250 (http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250)

This converts to $1243.14 Canadian, or $1120.77 USA
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 20, 2014, 04:54:37 am
Are the events in this chronology connected?

Early November 2013: The Aboriginal Peoples Television Network (APTN) aired a program called "Plastic Healers" which included a portrayal of Psychology of Vision and Chuck and Lency Spezzano as unprofessional participants of ethnocide on Haida Gwaii. In the broadcast even a devotee of a rival New Age healer denounced POV as having no follow-up or sense of caring for the damage they created.

The host of the program said of Psychology of Vision: "Despite the name, neither of the two who run it are psychologists."

Rob Smith, the journalist who covered this story added:  "The Spezzanos have a troubled past. In 2004 the State of Hawaii rapped Chuck Spezzano's knuckles for working as a psychologist without a state license. This was for his part in a controversial child custody case. Spezzano swore in an affidavit the father was unfit. The problem is he's never been licensed to practice psychology in Hawaii. And still isn't."

This is reinforced by a telephone comment from Chuck Spezzano aired on the program. When asked by Smith if he considered himself a psychologist, Chuck Spezzano replied, "No, Robert, I don't. I consider myself a coach."

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)

Nov. 29, 2013: Lency Spezzano announced on Facebook that 2014 will be her final year of making visits to non-US countries in retail marketing the POV capitalist enterprise. 

Later, Lency's "semi-retirement" announcement was made official on the POV events page.

http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/Events.htm (http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/Events.htm)

Is there any evidence of Lency announcing her pulling back from foreign travel prior to the APTN Investigates expose?





Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on March 20, 2014, 04:57:04 pm
i have seen these spezzano's lie before, in fact they're masters of denial. they turn any problem into the vivtims fault,or they wished it on themselves to be sick, or was a rapist in a past life is why you've been sexually abused. i've seen their advertisement for a "workshop" in vancouver bc, it was advertised as the ONLY CHUCK SPEZZANO EVENT IN CANADA,so sign up now , it's your only chance to see chuck, well you know what chuck spezzano returned to vancouver if there's money for chuck to be made, i'm sure chuck will show up.same goes for lency spezzano
as far as lency spezzano goes, her retiring could be another big lie and stradegedy to keep their numbers and money flowing in to her catch stage hypnotist act workshops, i don't believe a word about her retiring,
the true healing field will be a better off place with any cult person getting out of their business, i surely do welcome lencys retirement and hope it's true.
 P.S. i was told that stage hypnotism was banned as a healing method in canada , perhaps this would bring an early retirement, I SURE HOPE SO.
anyway I'LL believe it when i see any one of these spezzano's retire, one of their slogans is STEP UP TO HAVE IT ALL... and from what i see about them is that they really are driven to have it all , with nor consideration of others feelings or well being to get what they want MONEY
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 22, 2014, 02:39:48 am
Speaking of hypnosis, watching any of Lency Spezzano's "Joining" YouTube videos will give you no shortage of demonstrations of the Hypnotic Gaze Technique. 

http://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos?flow=grid&view=0 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos?flow=grid&view=0)

There are a number of these presentations where she points to her eye and instructs the subject to focus there. In nearly all them the client undergoes a process of tremors while Lency displays a vast array of mime expressions as she "channels." Meanwhile what she calls "Bliss Music" is played. Here is a link to a pretty blatant example. Notice how she uses her hands at 1:40. It happens so fast that most people would miss it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY)

In the next example, the subject's tremors are so bad that Lency has to use some considerable effort to bring the client back down. Start at 12:58:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hUNATwbFY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hUNATwbFY)

This is all exhibited with the premise of "downloading" some sort of vaguely defined force or energy as a "gift." But given the fact the Spezzanos are in the business of retail spirituality and charge their customers such an exorbitant amount of money I should think calling this a "gift" is a misnomer. The subjects in these presentations appear to be Psychology of Vision trainers, including the next example featuring Babs Stevens. She appears dazed and then delirious in the final shots, starting at 9:47 when Lency gives her stage directions. POV trainer Melissa Meyer joins the scene and at 13:03 Lency calls her "my daughter," placing herself in the role of surrogate parent, reinforcing the concept of the Spezzanos as being at the peak of the hierarchy of this corporation with several levels of management. Parts of this YouTube were used in the APTN investigative news program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY)

Although Lency appears to have deleted most of the negative comments on the YouTubes and left her responses, one comment by Brian Lynchehaun attached six months ago to the above example survived, "It's truly unfortunate that the Spezzano's continue to perpetuate these scams."



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on March 22, 2014, 06:51:35 am
With special mimik- and breathing technics you can fetch different emotions, this you can learn in a drama school ("founder" Dr. Susana Bloch / Alba emoting).

In my opinion it is a cruel game with transference and countertransference, where Spezzanos exceed the safeguarding border of the guest again and again. In this way you can stalemate someone and force reactions and emotions coming up to the surface the guest normally got under control. The guest is under enormous stress, he / her cry or become angry, etc., maybe the emotion Spenozza mirroring (she knows what the guest want) and / or this emotion the guest cannot control anymore. I think by their laughing - reaction the guest try to get back its controll about his / her emotion and its reaction. But Spenozza don´t let him / her.
This behavior is abusive, even if the guest preconcerted this "session". Normally the guest should declare a sign when it is enough for him / her so Spenozza goes out of this situation.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 22, 2014, 04:58:02 pm
Thank you, that is very interesting. The drama school factor, i.e., putting on stage shows is an important element in Psychology of Vision indoctrination. Except, as you say, the main point is not to entertain but to dominate, manipulate, and extract enormous sums of money.

Lency has a brother and daughter in the acting profession. Lency refers to herself as being in "show business" around the 1:30 mark in this "Joining" YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_9km2_D1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_9km2_D1o)

Would "Stage Show Hypnosis," combining dramatic and hypnotic techniques, be an accurate description of what we are seeing here?
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on March 22, 2014, 07:11:56 pm
"Surrender your mind and replace it through something else, in this case here the thoughts wich imply the wishes of this young man (or another person) by hypnotic techniques"
In medical or psychological way it is not an aim or part of a hypnotic - therapie to replace something. I just know hypnotic therapie using in medicine and psychotherapie, but not enough. But for me it is clear, this Spezzano - hypnotic got nothing to do with the medical or psychological way.

Maybe Spezzano claims to call it hypnotic because she try to look firmly in someone´s eyes, and replacing something .... ???????????
I don´t know if there are existing different kinds of hypnotic therpies,... maybe, but I don´t believe it. Even I don´t know, what kind of hypnotic techniques esoteric people are "developing"... phantasie don´t know bounds.

I think Sp. hypnotic is not a stage drama, what she is doing is demonstrating power, a cruel behavoir, it pressurize, for me she got no empathy for the other people.

This could be dangerous for instabil persons. Example: Some persons live with a second emotion, they needed it to control their first emotion, which are existing through former lifeevents. If they lose their control about their second emotion, the first emotion can come up into the surface. Maybe this person will be overrun by this first emotion and cannot treat or manage this events which are coming up anymore. Second emotion could be "anger", the first "fear", just examples. 

Could this be called "manipulate"?
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 22, 2014, 07:33:42 pm
Yes. I think we're arriving at the same conclusion but just through different semantics and interpretation of what we are seeing. But in either case it boils down to  what Lency is doing is potentially very destructive. The subject in this YouTube is a good example of what you have been pointing out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hUNATwbFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hUNATwbFY)

Addendum: Lency claims what she is performing is not hypnosis. In her Ripoff Report rebuttal she claims: "Do we use hypnosis? No. Do we use violence and manipulation? No."

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019
 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019)


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on March 23, 2014, 07:22:22 am
The answer they wrote in Ripoff Report tells it´s own story. Terrible.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on March 23, 2014, 05:11:02 pm
this letter is a hypnotherapists answer to a question asking if Lency Spezzano used stage hypnotism.remember that the "participants"in these youtubes are "advanced trainers and have been hypnotized many, many times by the spezzanos and they  expect  it, that's why they go into their trance state so fast and easy, they expect it and want it to happen to them !! i also bet the participants would even go into competition to see who goes into trance the fastest to show how devote and how quick they"get it"
also one of the reasons stage hypnotism is banned as a healing model in canada is because in large group stage hypnotism, there is no screening of each individual, so they do not know what will be "uncovered" and they do not have proper trained help for them when something really traumatizing is revealed, the hypnotist (Lency in these videos) does more damages to the victim and creates an extremely dangerous situation for them to be in.
already the spezzanos broke confidentiality and are unethical by filming and posting the videos of their victims on the internet , yet the victims adamantly blame others and bully those that question this group or speak up to voice valid concerns, they do not want to hear or listen because they're indoctrinated thet they have all the answers and how dare us that "don't have it"talk like that to them.
the truth of the matter is...
THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OF US HERE,
 and many of us that are here still have objective critical thinking that we're all keeping, no fake psychologist or stage hypnotist is taking that away either.

   this hypnotherapist was asked if lency spezzano used stage hypnotism in her "healing act"...
 when the stage is already set and by the victims showing up wanting this and expecting this to happen to them, the answer can only be yes. it's all a staged act, getting the victims to believe they've been healed,
here is a very revealing example of lencys staged "healing act",

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY

there are advanced trainers/recruiters for PoV that actually think this is cutting edge healing, i think they call it the "astral vibrational energies from the universe" coming into your brain and then to your heart,all via this downloading  methods and techniques  used by lency or an advanced trainer like in this video posted on the internet, some also think this can be used in real healing centers for chucks victims to show up from around the world to get brainwashed under the guise of healing. i bet a lot of chinese are going to be the new "willing" victims, i bet B.C's first nations are used up now with the public ed campaign about PoV and their trainers

here is letter from hypnotherapist counselor answering if she thought lency spezzano used stage hypnotism.
 
- Hi xxxxx The stage is set," Look into my right eye" is a simple hypnotic induction technique, this can only be successful if a person is a 'good' hypnosis subject, not everyone will allow themselves to go into hypnosis.  This technique would not work for most but if a person "believes" this will work, it will!
 
All hypnosis is self hypnosis,  Almost anyone can be hypnotized if they are willing.  You can begin the indoctrination process by setting the 'stage' which the leader and trainers of psychology of vision seems to be very good at. 
 
I have worked with members of Cults for a number of years, they are all similar in that they set the 'stage'.  As a  Counseling hypnotherapist I can use this title to insure that when I am brought into a school setting for  to talk about how powerful  the mind is and how it can work to enhance your life simply by changing your thoughts, the young people 'believe' they can be hypnotized, I don't have to do anything, I just show up, there is already an expectation that they will be hypnotized . I want everyone reading this post to understand that all hypnosis is self hypnosis, you cannot force anyone to do anything they do not want or believe they can do.
 
So getting back to the video, this man already believes he can change his mind, Lenzie did not 'do' this to him, he did it himself, he believes it can be done...so it will be done!
 
Having said this, when cults get into your belief system and people belive that the cult masters/leaders are the only people who can help them...now we have a problem, the members of the cult organization give up thinking for themselves. They have stopped believing in themselves, they now look outside of themselves for answers never realizing the truth..that lies within each one of us all.
 
Tribal man used to rely on memory and instict to find food, he knew which berries were safe to eat, which water was safe to drink, then the tribes formed and decisions were left to the Elders of the tribe.  The came Tribal Doctors..we began to rely on others.  And so it goes today, we rely on others to tell us what is right or wrong.
 
There is no way you can prevent cults from forming and cult leaders to stop taking advantage of people. The world needs to wake up. This is a huge subject but simple to understand.  People who have emotional pain chose to run away from it, some will join groups so they can talk about their pain and learn new ways to move forward.  Others will drink/drug hoping to outrun the emotional pain, some choose religion.
 
The mind is a powerful tool for change but the change must begin within us, we need to stop blaming ourselves for being who we are.  why not us the mind to heal us. instead of relying on others, why not get to know ourselves, most people live theri whole lives nevr know who they are, never seeing the prefection of themslves, we all come into the owrl as perfect beings, we are ll different in many ways but we all have beauty, wisdom and we are all loved.  We have to see the beauty of ourselves, when we change our thoughts about ourselves everything would change.

these spezzanos are still proving to be incredible shitty liars, they have stated they do not use hypnotism but.. the youtubes show they do,

I remember reading somewhere that you can't polish shit, you can try and try to polish shit but it does not work, its still shit , that saying described what the spezzanos along with their 100 plus day "grads" and especially their "advanced trainers" are doing - polishing shit and selling it to the unsuspecting public.

this is why sites such as NAFPS are so important for people to read when they want to better their lives, they can read about a bad harmful fraud group or "shaman and learn to stay away and learn to make a better choice for them selves in bettering their lives
 there are a lot of people out there trying to sell you polished shit. no matter how polished it is.. it is still SHIT
 i am very grateful for everyone at NAFPS they help people to learn the difference
thank you all so very much for helping and going above and beyond everyone else that help to  research groups, whether finding out if they're good groups but especially when they're harmful, i know a lot of people have been saved from falling into a false healing trap by the wonderful researchers at nafps
thank you all very much again and again
 
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 24, 2014, 12:39:51 pm
As an experiment I typed in the query "Lency Spezzano" and "right eye" in Google. Taking into account Google has highly personalized searching parameters, on my machine the search engine found this intriguing undated result in http://waatpp.it/people/said-spezzano/ (http://waatpp.it/people/said-spezzano/)

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Lency Spezzano: Webinar Progress
Lotta Gaber said... Thank you Lency and I am looking forward to our 4th session on monday. In the meantime, I always can see in my mind your "right eye" and that is a great support through the day. It is a great reminder..:-) ...

The source is given as http://lencyspezzano.blogspot.com/ (http://lencyspezzano.blogspot.com/) but you can't get there from here.

In addition, under this query the Google Images mode gave me several stills of Lency pointing at her right eye.

The search also led me in a domino way to this quote about Lency from Lynne Franks, which appeared in her book Absolutely Now! in 1998. Franks is considered the inspiration for the New Age fad-following character Edina Monsoon in the BBC series Absolutely Fabulous:

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During her sessions she put on rather corny mood music and would go round the room looking deeply into our eyes. When it was my turn I felt as if she could see straight into my soul. I knew she could feel my pain, and through focusing her energy on me I was able to let out suppressed emotions and tears. I recognised the build-up of sadness I'd been holding inside me since childhood and I was gradually able to release it. At last I was in a safe place where I knew I could let go of my pain and I found myself crying uncontrollably. There are very few people who don't give way under Lency's stare.

Then I was led to this other quote from someone in the APTN Investigates piece about the aftermath of the Spezzano visit to Haida Gwaii. It seems she belongs to a rival cult, but that does not diminish the point she makes here:

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In my own experience it felt irresponsible because there was no aftercare. Like I felt like things were like ... blown open like this emotionally ... Whatever was brought up in that workshop wasn't dealt with in the capacity of kind of closing the container and making sure people are safe after they left, and there was some really unsafe situations that arose from ... attempted suicides, yeah.
 

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on March 24, 2014, 04:32:57 pm
"remember that the "participants"in these youtubes are "advanced trainers and have been hypnotized many, many times by the spezzanos and they  expect  it, that's why they go into their trance state so fast and easy, they expect it and want it to happen to them !"

Possible that is hypnotic? Well, than there are existing more different forms of hypnotic technics I imagine. I read later in a book by Jean Harro that are following subjects are classified under autohypnosis: Common Trance situation, such as spontaneous trance, meditation, intensive concentration, total inanttention, daydreaming, Highway - phenomenon. In autohypnosis there is a shift of attention from external stimuli towards your inner or outside. This is a dissociation of conciousness, in extreme situation it can develops flight or multiple personality disorder, today DID.

I have never seen this aspect under "hypnotic". I think that Spezzona´s work is transference and countertransference, this is in my opinion possible in a combination with hynotic techniques. First they introduce autohypnosis and than combine the work with transference and countertransference makes it easier. For me it is comprehensible, but I really don´t know how it works in practise.

Sandy quote: "... would go round the room looking deeply into our eyes. When it was my turn I felt as if she could see straight into my soul. I knew she could feel my pain, and through focusing her energy on me I was able to let out suppressed emotions and tears. I recognised the build-up of sadness I'd been holding inside me since childhood and I was gradually able to release it. At last I was in a safe place where I knew I could let go of my pain and I found myself crying uncontrollably. There are very few people who don't give way under Lency's stare.
In this case I ask myself how often "hypnotic" is used by esoteric people to flight away, ... how often you try to explain something and they do not listen .... how often do people are so far away from their inner that they cannot decide anymore, what they want and what not .... and people are susceptible, pushed aside in helplesness and fear. In the last point people cannot recognize this allways."

That is the technique I wrote about, the terrible thing is: Normally in therapy the therapist dissolve this at the end, sometimes during a therapiy. The therapists makes clear, what is going on in a reflection. The therapist can use this to find out in contact with the patient what is going on in the patients mind and feeling. They clarify.
It is not a good way to increase the mirroring untill the patient is totaly helpless. These patients in Spezzonas starring group are misinterpreting experiences, turn them into false backgrounds, so that it is easier to flight, they deliver the answers, questions and autonomic, self - responsibility to other people.

"there is no screening of each individual, so they do not know what will be "uncovered" and they do not have proper trained help for them when something really traumatizing is revealed, the hypnotist (Lency in these videos) does more damages to the victim and creates an extremely dangerous situation for them to be in."

At least they let this. They can damage a lot, and it is also sure that they cannot recognize the signs with reliability of the people, who are mentally harmed, even a psychologists with a lot experiences could not be sure absolutely. I even cannot imagine that Spezzona could recognize the signs when she would talk about the experiences during the starring technique.

"Having said this, when cults get into your belief system and people belive that the cult masters/leaders are the only people who can help them...now we have a problem, the members of the cult organization give up thinking for themselves. They have stopped believing in themselves, they now look outside of themselves for answers never realizing the truth..that lies within each one of us all."

Not everybody got a connection to his own inner and to do introspective, find out what emotions come up in which situation, which reactions follow, why it happend, what happened in their inner, what muster of behaviour are existing ... this way could harm themselves so hard that they decompensate. In this case it is important, this person looks for professional help, someone educated, who knows about the different signs of reactions, recognizes when it is too much, explain, ... . It is not obvious to some affected people for themselves what happened to them, they cannot reach themselves.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 24, 2014, 04:34:11 pm
Stirring up trauma, pushing people into a highly emotional state where they relive old traumas, and then leaving them with no aftercare is the norm for most of these nuage, workshop culture exploiters. Wounded, emotionally flayed victims stagger from "peak experience" to "peak experience," from one expensive workshop to the next.

I've been on the receiving end of the desperate phonecalls from people who've been spiritually devastated by these kinds of abusive workshops. I believe these cult leaders are intentionally inducing trauma so their victims will "trauma bond" with them. It's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, I think, where they see the people who stirred up the old trauma (and caused new trauma in the process) as the only person who really understands what they've been through, the only person who can really help them. They enter into a cycle of abuse, and as much as it is harming them, they've had their minds so messed-with that it can be incredibly hard to break free.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 25, 2014, 12:14:23 pm
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Many cults seem to induce trance using disguised, non-direct methods. The pre-hypnotic strategies available to, and often utilized by, destructive cults include singling out someone and giving him/her a great deal of positive, special attention which then increases compliance to authority, and the use of group pressure and/or the demand that one "take center stage" and perform something in front of others (who are expecting a specific kind of performance). This tactic, called "love-bombing," is almost universally employed by cults.

From The Manipulation of Spiritual Experience: Unethical Hypnosis in Destructive Cults by Linda Dubrow-Marshall, Ph.D. and Steve K. Eichel, Ph.D., ABPP

http://www.carolgiambalvo.com/unethical-hypnosis-in-destructive-cults.html (http://www.carolgiambalvo.com/unethical-hypnosis-in-destructive-cults.html)

According to the Psychology of Vision Trainers Manual, "joining" is an activity that is among required activities for the mid-level managers in this commercial enterprise  (p. 20)

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf
 (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

Dubrow-Marshall and Eichel continue

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By prolonging trance states, and with the use of repeated inductions, the cultist may become more and more pliable, less critical, more dissociated from him/herself and more apt to accept spurious and even preposterous notions as "facts."

Sound familiar?

Here is another case study. The final 60 seconds of this Lency infomercial is particularly worth watching if you prefer to fast forward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn5k2Ch77VU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn5k2Ch77VU)


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on March 25, 2014, 04:12:03 pm

As has been mentioned, PoV trainers from British Columbia have founded a Ngystle Society based in Skidegate on Haida Gwaii, with which they promote and organise PoV seminars, as well as seminars with plastic shaman Erick Gonzalez ( see http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.0  ).

However, Ngystle also promote the use of pseudo-medical devices in their premises. Although the rates are not exorbitant ($ 5 resp meanwhile $ 6 for 30 minutes), it has to be pointed out that they are targeting a non-affluent community. What is worse, Ngystle are using the community newsletters as a platform for publishing advertising articles and they are making numerous health claims attributed to the devices.
Further info on the devices – e.g. a so-called Amethyst Bio-Mat and a device called Trinfinity8 – are provided by our friends at Psiram:

http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Trinfinity8

http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Amethyst_Bio-Mat

In an advertising article published in the Skidegate newsletter dd Jan 15, 2009, Ngystle say:

http://www.skidegate.ca/Newsletters/Jan15.09.pdf

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[…] A session lasts 30 minutes and costs $5.00.

The Amethyst Bio-Mat is a „pad“ which lies on top of a massage table. As you lie on the Bio-Mat, far infrared rays are passed through Amethyst Crystal. The rays penetrate 6-8 inches into the innermost recesses of the body, stimulating heating and regeneration of nerves and muscle tissue layers. It reduces swelling, increases blood flow and has been shown to destroy cancer and viral cells without harming surrounding healthy cells. The Bio-Mat:
relieves pain & joint stiffness
Increases blood circulation
Decreases hyperactivity
Strengthens the cardiovascular system
Rejuvenates skin & cellular function
Induces deep Delta State of relaxation
Reduces stress and fatigue
Boosts energy & vitality
Burns calories and controls weight
Removes wastes & toxins
Boosts the immune system
Regulates Psychological well being.

All of the above claims are unsubstantiated – the effects have never been proven scientifically. The devices are not acknowledged by scientifically based medicine.

On top of that, the claim of the device „destroy[ing] cancer and virus cells“ may endanger the health and lives of their customers who, relying on such promises, probably delay medical treatment. Another aspect is that Ngystle, as far as could be established from an internet research, does not have any medically trained employees who will be in a position to realise whether clients suffer from dangerous conditions or not.

Claims like „Decreases hyperactivity“, and „Induces deep Delta State of relaxation“ rely on a state of relaxation brought about by spending 30 minutes relaxing on a mat. A „delta state“ must be something new to science. However, this is nothing which lying on the sofa in one's living room wouldn't bring about, either, and this also does not cost clients $ 6. As far as a decrease of hyperactivity is concerned, it is again unproven and unfounded, at least beyond any calming effect to be had by lying down on any sofa at home. Hyperactivity is a medical condition and needs respective treatment by experts, not by Nuagers selling applications of some devices they believe nifty.

Ngystle also claim the device was in a position to „rejuvenate skin & cellular function“. Oh wow – we haven't only got a device to free us from cancer, it's also the proverbial fountain of youth. Or is it? No way. Devices or applications sold with such arguments will have a very restricted effect – the effect of increasing the weight of the vendor's wallet.

The same is true for the claim „burns calories and controls weight“. HTH can any technical device, or rather its inlay of amethysts and tourmalins, burn calories I consumed and control my weight? That's easy: it simply cannot and will not. If losing weight were to be achieved by some mat, or by buying expensive dietary supplements or whatever, the only garment size produced in this world would be size 0.

The claim of the device „removing wastes & toxins“ is a sales pitch often used in the Nuage and pseudo-medical scenes („detoxification“). This claim is rhubarb, too.

Another claim is: „boosts the immune system“. This, too, is quite common within the Nuage and pseudo-medical scenes and lots of soooper-remedies, dietary supplements etc are sold with this promise. However, if you're in a normal state of health, all you need to rely on is your regular immune system. Contrary to such claims as the above, you should rather pray your immune system does not get boosted – since this would mean you developed an auto-immune disease.

The promised regulation of psychological well-being – well, again this can be obtained far cheaper by a good rest on your sofa at home. The device is not able to do anything beyond what your sofa will do for you.

Many of the promises made cannot be controlled by the client and simply depend on clients' impressions. A client believing in the claims and the device's effectiveness will be rather prone to look into the mirror afterwards and be sure they got less wrinkles than before. They expect to have more energy and vitality, so they will feel this way.

Advertising dubious devices with health claims BTW is illegal according to EU law and an offence. I wonder whether this is any different in Canada and how did they get away with using health claims in their promotional texts for the past five years....

All in all, Ngystle bought themselves a few nice money-printing machines: the one effect their devices will have is to generate income for them. Oh, and one of the group targeted by them and ushered onto mats and what else they got in the way of devices are Residential School Survivors.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 28, 2014, 04:09:12 pm
Ngystle Society, Psychology of Vision International Association (with the Swiss bank account), Oneness University, America-China Bridge Ltd., First Nations Fund ...

It would be nice to know if the RCMP, Scotland Yard, Revenue Canada, US IRS, Hawaii Dept. of Taxation and other government agencies are creating a chart as they try to piece together the (literally) crazy-quilt of Psychology of Vision and how all these and many other corporate bodies inter-relate, especially when it comes to money. POV is, after all, a business making an enormous profit from retail spirituality and junk science as they prey upon vulnerable and damaged people.

Part of the insidiousness of POV are the fraudulent credentials the founders present to the world. On a superficial glance Charles Lee Spezzano could pass as a professional. But he is far from that. As documented here on NAFPS, his Ph. D. is not recognised by the APA and he is certainly no psychologist. Yet Charles allows himself to be described as "one of the world’s leading psychologists" as evidenced by this POV marketing in the UK:

http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250 (http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250)

If Charles is such a leader, why doesn't he have a listing in Wikipedia? It appears a gentleman named Matt Blythe attempted to file an entry on Spezzano, but was denied because, among other things, Charles was not considered to be worthy of recognition:

http://wiki.verkata.com/en/wiki/User_talk:Mattblythe
 (http://wiki.verkata.com/en/wiki/User_talk:Mattblythe)
Blythe, by the way, has a YouTube demonstrating the "Power of Joining":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M772WwuhP5Y
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M772WwuhP5Y)
One of the corporate entities deserving more scrutiny is Spezzano & Associates Ltd. This enterprise has Charles as President and Lenora as Vice-President. Psychology of Vision appears to be merely a branch and front end of SAL.

Excerpts from the POV Trainers Manual:

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

Quote
p. 4 "The Trainer works with Spezzano and Associates Limited (SAL) to develop the principles, the model and their own process."

Quote
p. 4 "The Trainer works with SAL to develop the means of taking the work to communities and people who are not able to pay the market rate for
training."

Quote
p. 11 "The Psychology of Vision Trainer Has Access to:
 
1. Attendance (without paying additional tuition) to the 10-Day Training (each language will be provided $4000 USD towards English translation).
2. Permission to use the copyright, trademarks, names goodwill of The Psychology of Vision and the right to call oneself a PoV Trainer. (for China speak to China Committee)
3. One coaching session every other month from a PoV Coach designated by SAL.
4. Conference calls with Chuck or Lency."

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p. 21 "All Trainers who enter the program will have to, at some point, deal with their independence issues at a very deep level. This can be
easily recognized and identified when the Trainer begins to act out authority conflict issues through complaining, bad attitude, or other expressions of the rebel shadow or story. This is the biggest challenge for Trainers in the program. Usually, at some point in the training everybody faces these issues and feels they are at a crossroads. At this point, they may decide to go off on their own (and they do so with the blessing of SAL), or they decide to move forward within the Psychology of Vision structure and take positions of authority and assist with policy."

Naturally these passages bring up a host of other issues, for the time being let's focus on exactly what role SAL has in the POV organization. Does SAL overrule the POV Steering Committee (which also has Charles and Lenora as members)? How many stockholders are there in SAL? Does SAL have other non-POV for-profit undertakings? Where does SAL stop and POV begin?   

Lenora's Linked In describes her as a trainer at Spezzano and Associates:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lency-spezzano/16/bb8/285 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lency-spezzano/16/bb8/285)

The Hawaii Dept. of Commerce and Consumer Affairs has Spezzano and Associates Ltd. listed as a domestic profit corporation.

http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=81992D1&view=info
 (http://hbe.ehawaii.gov/documents/business.html?fileNumber=81992D1&view=info)
SAL was incorporated in 1990 and the Spezzanos are the only two officers. The corporation's purpose is "TO CONDUCT SEMINARS AND LECTURES THROUGH OUT THE WORLD."

In the tradenames/marks category, rights to both "Psychology of Vision" and "Psychology of Vision Press" have expired. Presumably someone else could snap up those trademarks today. POV's purpose is given as "SEMINARS, LECTURES, SELLING PRODUCTS (BOOKS, AUDIO & VIDEO TAPES, CARD DECKS)."

A look at the POV Trainers Manual will confirm this organization is a cult centered around Charles and Lenora, but even more than that it is a for-profit business selling spirituality at very expensive rates.

   
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: DoctorLao on March 28, 2014, 05:42:06 pm
Quote
  "I believe these cult leaders are intentionally inducing trauma so their victims will "trauma bond" with them. It's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome, I think, where they see the people who stirred up the old trauma (and caused new trauma in the process) as the only person who really understands what they've been through, the only person who can really help them."

In case it adds suitably to:  http://omgrey.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/breaking-the-betrayal-bond/  ("Betrayal Bond. Trauma Bond. Stockhom Syndrome. These terms all describe the same thing: a deep, inexplicable bond with someone who has hurt you.")

Coincidentally, I see this same subject comes up today in replies posted at: http://www.manipulative-people.com/can-character-disorders-hit-bottom-do-they-ever-change/

That's a site about psychopathy and covert aggression in society ("the phenomenon of our times"). Not cultism, nor exploitation of native culture. 

As a nonDN, I've no personal cultural heritage or experience from which to speak about appropriation of native tradition and identity first hand.  But in current life and times I do directly, personally experience what strikes me as a rising tide of character disorder and malicious aggression - taking many forms, seeking all kinds of satisfactions.  Always the expense of others - whoever, the more the merrier.




Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on March 28, 2014, 08:08:16 pm
The Ngystle Society is advertising an event "Divine Dance to Awakening" with Bernie Koftinoff. Bernie has been active in the Oneness Movement for many years http://www.meetup.com/Oneness-Blessing-Meditation-Circle-Okanagan/member/128280562/ (http://www.meetup.com/Oneness-Blessing-Meditation-Circle-Okanagan/member/128280562/).
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 29, 2014, 03:07:02 am
lencyspezzano.blogspot.com is no longer open to the public, but pieces of it still surface. I found this in:

https://pipl.com/directory/name/wookey/julie/ (https://pipl.com/directory/name/wookey/julie/)

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A few years back I learned at Oneness University that Joining was what they called deeksha (the Sanskrit word ... Lency Spezzano - lencyspezzano.blogspot.com
If this was "a few years" after attending Oneness University, it seems obvious Lenora was still enamored with the institution for awhile.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on March 29, 2014, 12:35:52 pm
I got some problems to see there an aspect alike a Stockholm Syndrom, even there are common aspects to esoteric bond. Normally the victims are in a situation where they got extreme experiences with threats on the one hand with death or deathtrap incidences and on the other hand a life - saving bonding to the offender is the only one who can save their (victims) life.
Victims are looking for reasons and appologies of the offender´s crime This is a strategy to survive a situation they normally cannot stand by.

I can imagine, the abuse in esoterics ways will develop in dangours ways, like these occultism and satanism which are existing today... 
Some experts say, the boundary between esoteric, occulism and satanism is indistinct.

What possibilities these special esoteric people can use to develop there fraudulant ceremonies maybe will eclipse these fraudulant ceremonies of today.
Are these esoteric people mentally ill? I don´t know....
There are people who are very intelligent, calculating, got a need for power, and what they miss is empathy for life.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on March 31, 2014, 05:06:43 am
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 1

If you perform a Google search on "Psychology of Vision" or the Spezzanos in short order you will run across websites and posts (some of them now gone) introducing POV with titles like Grifters Hotel, Cult Education Forum, Bad Ads, Taking Advantage of Seeking a Better Life, our own New Age Frauds Plastic Shamans, Plastic Healers, Lency Spezzano's Junk Science Jamboree, and Ripoff Report. Not exactly the kind of publicity any business retailing spiritual enlightenment would desire, but there it is.

POV has gained more than a few critics, and it isn't because these "rebel" thinkers are part of dark shadowy forces as Charles Lee Spezzano would have his lucrative paying customer base believe. Remember reading in history about the "Age of Enlightment"? It was also known as "The Age of Reason." The term "enlightenment" belongs to the critical thinkers, not charlatan capitalists who are marketing tired old retreads of Oneness University practices and platitudes. Charles Lee Spezzano's use of the term "rebel" suggests he considers himself an authoritarian figure. 

Yet Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano claim POV is not a cult?

Even other practitioners in the business of spiritual healing are wary of Psychology of Vision. Although this is not really my cup of tea I am willing to agree there are people in that field who are sincere and walk their talk. Live and let live, except when people get victimized, is my creed. As Grifters Hotel always said, this is about behaviour, not belief.

Dave Oshana--

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"A false teacher will provide entertainment based around ritual much like Morris Cerullo's Christian Healing Crusades. Chuck Spezzano's Psychology of Vision events use emotional songs and on-stage enactments of forgiveness with surrogate parents. Rebirth is a common theme in Ancient Mystery Schools including Freemasonry and Christianity.

Exciting parlour tricks seen on the advaita scene are the classic 'advaita shuffle', 'Who's in?', 'The Three Card Find the "I"' trick and 'Truth, dare or promise'. These devices are fail-safes. If they don't work in producing awakening (and they typically don't in the hands of an unawakened teacher) they at least provide entertainment, bewilderment and confusion. The Zen equivalent of these 'slick-tricks' (as Andrew Cohen calls them but avows to never use) are koans, tea ceremonies and kwat slaps."

http://www.nonduality.com/hl929.htm (http://www.nonduality.com/hl929.htm)

Rasha--

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"The book entitled Oneness, which I transcribed, is not associated in any way with any other teacher, guru, or organization that may also be using the name 'Oneness.'  I have, thankfully, never received 'deeksha' or a so-called 'Oneness Blessing' from anyone affiliated with POV or the group in India calling themselves 'Oneness University.' I do not wish to have unsuspecting, sincere spiritual seekers confuse the pure teachings of Oneness, who some people consider to be God, with the agenda of that organization."
 
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.130;wap2
 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.130;wap2)
Kelly Tobey-- In a ratings list of spiritual-oriented workshops, Charles and Lenora Spezzano ranked in the bottom 10% out of 106.

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"In the list of workshops below I will give a grading when I think extra discernment is needed. After the words “discernment needed”, if I put one or more *‘s it is because I think there is an environment of (usually unconscious) encouragement to give your power away to the facilitator's belief systems rather than encouraging you to evaluate for yourself, what fits with your journey, and what does not. In other words the facilitator may not be owning that the belief systems they are presenting, and their evaluations of participants, are her or his perceptions and not necessarily the "truth".  You will also find *'s if I observed belief systems presented that I thought were potentially detrimental. The more *‘s I have used the more careful use of discernment I would suggest. (And to add: facilitators often grow and get better at their craft so some of the people below may be even more skillful now, than they were when I first participated in their offerings)"

"Chuck and Lency Spezzano; Psychology of Vision, Emotional awareness, uncovering of inherent giftedness   Discernment suggested **"

http://www.kellytobey.com/workshops.htm
 (http://www.kellytobey.com/workshops.htm)
Normally the online POV response to criticism has been to simply delete or hide all trace of anything that proves inconvenient to their little charade and hope no one is watching, sweeping it under the rug, such as removing all mention of the strong connection and philosophical indebtedness the organisation has to Oneness University, or the principles expoused on the Healing Metaphors website, both purges of which have been documented on this forum, Psiram, Grifters Hotel (now defunct), Morty the Dog (also defunct). Some creative searching will get you to the dead sites.

http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iJCWUrTOzh8J:griftershotel.blogspot.com/2014_01_01_archive.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iJCWUrTOzh8J:griftershotel.blogspot.com/2014_01_01_archive.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

Although friends and family of POV have responded on Facebook in predictable reactionary ways, and Charles Lee Spezzano made a very self-destructive phone call to APTN which was aired, the only official post-APTN Investigates (Nov. 2013) responses worth noting are from Lenora Kay Spezzano. She had a series of remarks addressing criticism on her "Joining" YouTubes. After a short time the critiques were deleted but the text of her reactions remain, creating a strange shadowboxing effect. These videos already marginalize POV into what is politely called the "esoteric" category, but her disconnected comments are not doing her or her business prospects any favours and only confirm the image of POV as some kind of old-fashioned medicine show selling snake oil.

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

The aforementioned Ripoff Report is where we find the closest thing to an official response to the growing critical investigation of Psychology of Vision.

Here is the original complaint, made in Sept. 2013, before the APTN broadcast--

"Chuck and Lency Spezzano run an international scam. They hold large group trainings around the world, claiming that they are healing. They coerce people into paying lots of money to take these trainings, to climb their hierarchy ladder to become trainers themselves.

These trainings are like the classic Est type seminars of decades past.

They practice affinity fraud by preying on specific communities, draining their money, and training their leaders to continue the scam.

The large group trainings are very high pressure. People are pressured to not go to the bathroom, people are not supposed to leave early or arrive late. Audience members are encouraged to freak out, all in the supposed name of healing. People end up screaming, sobbing, vomiting, laughing hysterically.

Videos of Lency Spezzano doing one on one sessions before an audience are available online.

Classic tools of manipulation and persuasion are used, including hypnosis, coarse language, touch, and aggression.

This isn't psychological therapy, this is not spiritual healing, this is a scam."

On Nov. 3, 2013 Lenora Kay Spezzano filed a response with the leading sentence: "Nothing that is alleged in this report is true." Then she followed with a long narrative that our friend Sturmboe beautifully summed up as: "The answer they wrote in Ripoff Report tells it´s own story. Terrible."

From my own research into the POV cult, the Ripoff Report complaint appears to be 100% accurate. It provides a true premise from which to build. There is nothing in it I find false from my diggings.

Here is Lenora Kay Spezzano's rebuttal with my inserted lecture notes.

"Nothing that is alleged in this report is true. The Psychology of Vision is an organization that is owned by the Trainers themselves (I believe there are presently 52 of us.) All organizational decisions are reached by unanimous decision, either by the Trainers as a whole body, or by the Steering Committee, which consists of the Trainers who have achieved Master Trainer status (there are currently 7) and our program director. Chuck and I, as founders, do not get more of a voice than any other Trainer or Steering Committee member. The organization operates from a completely horizontal relationship between Trainers, not a hierarchy with a cult figure at the top."

As mentioned earlier, POV is a commercial branch of Spezzano and Associates Ltd., the only two officers of SAL being Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano. The actual number of stockholders is a public mystery. That being said, the POV Trainers Manual presents a very different version of what Lenora is claiming here about being flat. Either she has not read the Manual of her cult or she is lying. This multi-layered organisation is far from level and the Manual promotes subservience to Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano, indirectly giving this couple the role of parental authority. The souls who surrender themselves to this scam must be very desperate. It makes me feel sad to see human potential wasted on such a con game to enrich two such obvious frauds.   

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

Quotes from the POV Trainers Manual:

Quote
P. 4 "The Trainer conducts their business in a manner that consistently preserves the reputation of Chuck and Lency Spezzano and the Psychology of Vision."

P. 6-7 "The Steering Committee (SC) is composed of a group of Trainers who make decisions on behalf of the whole. It lies at the heart of the PoV Trainer community as a whole, holding its best interest in mind at all times. Any new decisions being made by the SC for the community are always referred to the LR, which they can then communicate to their region. The SC is responsible for monitoring the evolution of the Trainers and their process. It also is part of the final decision making process for new Trainer applications. The SC handles personal and delicate situations that may arise for Trainers with care and consideration for the PoV community. It ensures privacy of personal and sensitive information and protects it at all times. All individuals coming directly to the SC with a query, complaint or any other communication are referred through the local representative to ensure transparency. The SC respects the trust given to it by the Trainer community of the Psychology of Psychology of Vision. At present, the Steering Committee members are Chuck and Lency Spezzano, Hiromi and Hideaki Kurihara, Jeff Allen, Julie Wookie and Francine Girard."

p. 11 POV trainer required to "Attend or listen to the records of the quarterly conference calls with Chuck or Lency."

p. 11 POV trainer has access to "Conference calls with Chuck or Lency."

p. 12 POV trainer has "Access and permission to download from the website unpublished books and Chuck’s (1600+) card sets to use for sessions, workshops, seminars."

p. 13 "Attendance at the 10-Day Trainers’ Conference each year (without paying additional tuition plus each language will provide $4000 USD towards English translation). This event is the heart of the program. Chuck and Lency share the cutting edge of their work and point all of us as a team at the crest of the wave so it moves us easily, deeply and quickly into our year. Note: Although this is a benefit, it is also a
commitment to attend."

p. 13 "Trainers receive one coaching session every month from a peer trainer or coach. Coaching sessions are the backbone of the program.
They support the Trainers to deal with their issues and stay in the easiest and truest flow of their lives. They are also used as supervision/consultation of cases from workshops and individual sessions. This supervision assists the Trainers to learn their craft and stay
professional. Every six months each coach will write a summary of each Trainer’s process to share with Chuck, Lency and other coaches."

P. 14 "Quarterly Conference Call with Chuck or Lency. Different days and times will be chosen to account for the different time zones. These are compulsory and therefore recorded and translated for all trainers to listen to if not able to attend. Following are the steps to access conference calls recordings on the website: Use firefox for the web browser, sign in and go to “ my account”, open the file manager and click on + in front of the folder “ trainer resources”, select the folder “ recordings”, to download, double click on the call desired (scrolling
up or down to find the appropriate file)"

P. 15 "Chuck’ s Workshop & Session Cards. Trainers have access to download Chuck’s Workshop & Sessions Cards (1600s+ cards) from the website. They are an essential tool to a PoV Trainer. (These are not to be given to non-Trainers.)

Further Coaching with Chuck and/or Lency Spezzano. Chuck and/or Lency Spezzano are available for further coaching deemed necessary by the trainer and their coach. Lency and Chuck hold all of the people in the program dear, and they are available to any Trainer. They don’t have much extra time, so opportunities usually arise during trainings. Sometimes competition, jealousy, specialness issues may arise around access
to Chuck and Lency. Remember those issues are inherited from our families and it is what everyone has to heal."

p. 17 "Staff Chuck and Lency’s workshops and trainings in your country wherever possible. A Trainer is to do their best in this regard. Missing a workshop is like missing a practice. A workshop is a great opportunity for support, which in turn helps the team. Most importantly, attending local works helps brings greater ease into a Trainer’s life." 

p. 18 "Quarterly Conference Calls with Chuck or Lency. Listen live to the recorded Quarterly Conference Calls from Chuck and Lency. This is to insure that the whole community is updated with the latest process and tools from Chuck and Lency. Chuck and Lency then don’t need to repeat themselves as they see the Trainers in their own locations throughout the year."

p. 19 "Study all of Chuck and Lency’ s teaching materials (the books, the card decks, and the triangle). For the English speakers, this
includes all un-published books posted on the Trainers’ Resource Centre on the Trainers’ section of the website. Unfamiliarity with the material is like a musician not being familiar with his music. Trainers need to be able to recommend material to clients and students as well."

(The triangle was pretty much swiped from Bob Trask. The Trask/Spezzano connection and why it was severed is a worthy target for investigation.)

p. 23 "Trainer leaving the program can receive a session from Master Trainers or Chuck and Lency. We recommend this to bring graceful and
supportive closure to their time as a PoV Trainer."

p. 26 Double bonus score in the sexual misconduct section: Mention of POVIA and sexual shenanigans: "While these policies are intended first and foremost for the benefit of participants, they are important for the following reasons as well.
First, ensuring that Trainers maintain high levels of integrity enhances the value and impact of the teachings of Psychology of Vision worldwide. Second, it reduces the potential legal liability of PoV Trainers, Psychology of Vision International Association (PoVia), and Chuck
and Lency Spezzano."

p. 28 "For examples, Apprenticeships are Chuck and Lency’s best opportunity to help Trainers step past some of their chronic issues. The intention of the recommendation to attend one Apprenticeship every two years is to produce more professionalism, dedication, a greater level of success and more team spirit."

p. 29 Level 1 requirements include: "All personal assignments fulfilled (as given by Chuck, Lency or their coach)"

p. 30 Level 2 requirements include: "One 5-day with Lency," and "Attendance in at least one Apprenticeship every two years, a 5 day every
other year with Lency or Master Trainer, and other required training."

p. 31 Level 3 requirements include: "One 5-day with Lency," and "Co-facilitation with Chuck or Lency or a Master Trainer."

p. 31 Level 4 requirements include: "Every year takes an Apprenticeship or 5-day training with Chuck or Lency."
Level? No. A multi-layered cult centered around Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano? Yes. This document is personality-driven, not process-driven.

Lenora Kay Spezzano's Ripoff Report reaction is so rife in fallacies it will have to be dealt with in parts. Given the width and depth of the unprofessional claims she has gifted to the community of critical thinkers, this will have to be deconstructed in pieces. There is a rich compost of material to dig through.

Although it has been proposed in this forum POV leadership is about ego and sadistic power, I believe the profit margin rules over all. These two Spezzanos are, after all, Americans who worship the dollar over any other God as evidenced by Charles Lee Spezzano's hourly rate of over $1100. The only thing worse than asking for such an hourly rate is the poor sod who will pay it. That is the type of individual the Spezzano con game counts on. Desperate and vulnerable.

http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250
 (http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250)
More to come in Part Two. Cheers.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 02, 2014, 11:46:52 am
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 2

Here is part two of Lenora Kay Spezzano's reply to a complaint filed on the Ripoff Report:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019)
 
Lenora's second paragraph is a single sentence, and this installment of part two will focus on this one line.

"The Psychology of Vision is a path of the heart that focuses on the healing of relationships, leadership (or helping others) and non-denominational spirituality."

Although the UK and North American Psychology of Vision websites had, until early 2014, included the proud claim, "The Spezzanos’ greatest inspirations come from A Course in Miracles and Oneness University" (apparently the Oneness University connection had become a liability so all references were quietly purged with no explanation), the POV has a very Christian veneer. To be more specific, the greatest inspiration appears to be the Catholic upbringing of Charles Lee Spezzano. Hardly "non-denominational." Even a former POV trainer told me the Spezzano corporation had the feel of a religion. And he didn't mean it as a compliment.

As Psiram documents, Charles Lee Spezzano "claims to have studied to become a priest, to have joined a seminary and taken temporary vows, after which he joined Bethel Park Collegiate seminary and attended Duquesne University, where he claims to have studied Philosophy and Psychology, with a B.A. obtained from this university."

http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision#Chuck_Spezzano (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision#Chuck_Spezzano)

Note that Duquesne is a private Catholic institution. I point this out because throughout his upbringing and early adulthood, the Catholic Church served as Charles Lee Spezzano's most dominant model for building a business organisation.

The late website Grifters Hotel initially made this assertion, and upon contemplation I believe the writer was on to something. POV is more Catholic than Protestant when it comes to the number of levels of authority in the institution, as well as the emphasis on ritual. Grifters Hotel argued that Charles Lee Spezzano was recreating a fast food version of the Catholic Church, with himself in the role of Pope. A reading  through the POV Trainers Manual reinforces this concept, and a look at the commercial relationship between Spezzano and Associates Ltd. and POV confirms it. Charles Lee Spezzano is on top of a multi-level business corporation that retails junk spirituality and science for profit. 

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

This might also explain why Gay culture has not been recognised in any POV-generated material that I have seen. Lenora Kay Spezzano frequently uses the term "cutting edge" to describe her curriculum, but socially POV seems stuck in the traditional monogamous gender roles that were the norm during the Spezzano's formative years in the 1950s and early 1960s.   

Believe me, my purpose here is not to knock the Catholic Church, but let's face it, that institution is hardly a friend to the natural rights of women. This view is mirrored in Charles Lee Spezzano's ersatz Catholic recreation, and nowhere is that more evident than in an article from 2008 quoting UK cult-follower Jeff Allen who is erroneously identified as a psychologist and founder of POV.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1039030/Fast-track-femininity-Why-competing-men-left-women-touch-feminine-side.html 
 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1039030/Fast-track-femininity-Why-competing-men-left-women-touch-feminine-side.html)

The writer/comedian Kate Smurthwaite had a few choice words to share about the POV view of women--

http://cruellablog.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html (http://cruellablog.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html)

In fact, Charles Lee Spezzano has let his audience know more than once, in video and in text, that God is male when he asks, "Who's your Daddy?"

http://www.pov-int.eu/nlarchiv/pov-int-eu-nightlight-newsletter-maerz-2014-2/
 (http://www.pov-int.eu/nlarchiv/pov-int-eu-nightlight-newsletter-maerz-2014-2/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiGapL4HNSE  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiGapL4HNSE)

High ritual, steep hierarchy, traditional gender roles = Psychology of Vision. Charles Lee Spezzano is the Pope of POV. In one interview with an admirer Charles Lee Spezzano allowed himself to be described as a Messenger for Heaven, i.e, God's translater. Obviously, in the Great Chain of Being, Charles Lee Spezzano walks among the top ranks of humans, as high as any mortal can achieve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma_gen9AsxA
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma_gen9AsxA)

And he will bestow his enlightened wisdom to all who seek.

For a price. A very heavy price.



To be continued.


     

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 03, 2014, 11:39:44 am
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 3

We continue to examine Lenora Kay Spezzano's arguments in defense of Psychology of Vision as she responded to criticism of the cult in The Ripoff Report.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019
 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019)

Here is Lenora's next contribution--

"Seminar participants develop their own connection to grace and healing, and do not need to go through any PoV Trainer at any time to access it. Focus is always made on empowering the participants in their lives, not developing dependency on PoV Trainers. Participants do heal the pain of old emotional injuries and release it, but there is no emotional 'freaking out' in the seminars. Although there is a lot of laughter, none of it is 'hysterical.' The seminar is not like EST, except for similar guidelines about how to operate in a group setting (i.e. be on time, try not to leave the room during a session unless necessary, please do not side-talk to your neighbor - throw all jokes out to the center, etc.)."

First, as always, consulting the Psychology of Vision Trainers Manual will demonstrate how often Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano insert themselves as intermediaries between the paying client and the source of "enlightenment." Developing dependency of POV trainers is part of the scam. Empowering people is the last thing POV is interested in. This is a for-profit corporation, not an altruistic endeavor.

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

Anyone who charges $1100 US an hour has no incentive for empowering people as a first priority. That person is motivated, in a very openly arrogant and egotistical manner, by the coin of the realm. It is obscene and outrageous. By charging this amount for an hour of his time Charles Lee Spezzano is worshipping mammon over God and is not walking his talk.

http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250  (http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250)

The Spezzanos are the gatekeepers you have to pay off before you can enter the esoteric realm of some artificial and fleeting state of mind they have created. They are the ticket collectors for a bizarre funhouse of their invention. The experience might make you scream and tremble and vomit and perhaps you felt a sense of release, but it was all fake. Fraud. Not real. Charles Lee Spezzano and Lenora Kay Spezzano are not included as the subjects of this forum devoted to frauds for nothing. They have earned this recognition.

People who desire emotional healing need to go to real professionals with real professional credentials who charge reasonable fees, perform responsible follow-up, are accredited by national professional organisations, and don't rely on cheap theatrics and ritual to dazzle the vulnerable and wounded. The Spezzanos fall quite short of meeting any of these requirements.

Lenora Kay Spezzano's YouTube "joining" presentations always focus on her, rather than the client, as the center of attention. We never see a solo camera shot of the customer during the "downloading"," but we have plenty of footage of Lenora's face. This reinforces the idea that a Psychology of Vision authority figure needs to be present for the spiritual transformation to happen. The YouTubes are all about Lenora, not the client. The compliant POV trainers who participated in this demonstration of Lenora's spiritual powers are there as mere props in order to amplify her greatness.

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos  (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

The Spezzanos are takers, not givers. Lenora's YouTubes are so revealing. A real professional product marketing person would have advised them to give more attention in those YouTubes to why this "Joining" would be beneficial to the new recruit. The center of attention should be the satisfied customer. But instead Lenora chose to selfishly highlight her talents in the art of somnolence and comes across as a sadist and cult puppeteer. It astounds me that these videos exist for the world to see. The manipulation is so obvious and utterly destroys Lenora's above defensive remarks. POV is its own worst enemy. There is nothing here to attract any reasonable person.

The Spezzanos are fishing for vulnerable people with money who are in so much inner turmoil they are unable to use their critical thinking skills. A cruel person would call these clients suckers. I call them twice victims.

People do freak out in Lenora Kay Spezzano's "joining" sessions, and Lenora herself has provided the evidence.

Here is the most classic example. Start at 3:35--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY

Revisit the above link at about 7:00, watch Lenora point to her right eye, again, and observe Jordan's reaction. The remainder is very disturbing. Empowering? No. Developing dependency? Yes.

EST and POV do share the perception from the mainstream that both of them are dangerous cults. The "group setting" scenario does bring to mind one of my favorite online resources, 10 fun ways to social hack an awareness training from the inside out. I'd love to see the RCMP send an agent to a POV workshop and try out some of these helpful tips.

http://lgattruth.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/10-fun-ways-to-social-hack-an-awareness-training-from-the-inside-out/
 (http://lgattruth.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/10-fun-ways-to-social-hack-an-awareness-training-from-the-inside-out/)

So many lies to counter, so little time.

Part 4 is next.



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 04, 2014, 02:54:55 am
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 4

Lenora Kay Spezzano continues to react to criticism in her Ripoff Report response.

"There is no cult-like 'us vs. them' mentality in PoV that cuts ties with participants' family and friends. PoV is about recovering failed relationships with our family members, forgiving our parents for our childhood injuries and being accountable for what takes place in our lives. For example, we have received the feedback that First Nations communities in which the Psychology of Vision has been taught experience a cultural Renaissance; as emotional healing takes place in the families, there are not as many crises taking place in the community, and as the level of crisis in the community reduces, members have the luxury of time to learn their languages and ancient skills from the elders before they are lost."

I would agree with Lenora that the POV mentality is not "cult-like." Rather, it is just a straight-ahead "cult" without the "like."

Whenever POV looks like it might be in trouble, Charles Lee Spezzano issues a round-the-wagons "us vs. them" call for his customer base. He employs the use of fear to gather the troops. The outside world is a hostile place, but here in POV you are safe. Keep those payments coming and Pope Charles will protect you.

This sample from the January 2010 Nightlight Newsletter is pretty typical.

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"January 4, 2010 at 9:29am

January 2010 Nightlight Newsletter
Chuck Spezzano

It seems most of us dodged the bullet that came at us in December. Yet, now there is almost a steady stream of attack going on – vicious ego attack, astral attack, fear of change attacks, fear of loss attacks, ignorance and prejudicial attack.

Disengage yourself from anyone who is attacking because even if they are right, they are totally wrong. How one’s process shows itself in life is much more telling than what they seem to espouse. Violence except in self defense shows ego-driven behavior which only works for and brings more darkness as we approach the dawn. Have faith. The sky is lightening."

https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=261854654609 (https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=261854654609)

From the November 2011 Nightlight Newsletter

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"How November unfolds is so tied to these last few days of October. At the level we are at now, we have succeeded in clearing major catastrophes and have started to reach a place of celebration and leaps forward in consciousness but first priority has always been to clear the danger. We have dodged a bullet in October."

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2011/10/nightlight-newsletter-chuck-spezzano.html (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2011/10/nightlight-newsletter-chuck-spezzano.html)

From the April 2009 Nightlight Newsletter

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"In the last two years we have dodged a number of bullets meant to be catastrophic and one cataclysm was downgraded to a catastrophe."

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lovingpurelove/conversations/messages/42779 (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lovingpurelove/conversations/messages/42779)

From the October 2009 Nightlight Newsletter

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"We dodged a bullet in September. There was enough healing and transformation so that the collective upheaval that could have occurred was more of a belch than an explosion."

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IAMradio/conversations/messages/854
 (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IAMradio/conversations/messages/854)

This is all about whipping up terror and creating an "us vs. them" mentality. The fear-based world of Charles Lee Spezzano has more bullets than a Tarantino film. I feel bad for POV followers who suddenly wake up and realize they have been had after spending so much money and energy on nothing but adding to the Spezzano and Associates Ltd. bank account. In Europe that would be the Swiss bank account.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665
 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665)

If you go back and read the original complaint about POV in the Ripoff Report, the writer made no mention of cults, or the destruction of families. Lenora took it upon herself to introduce these topics. This tells me she must be well accustomed to hearing these charges in the past and out of habit gave Ripoff Report the standard POV talking points.

Later on in her response (which we will get to later) she makes a conjecture about her critic, "Perhaps someone recommended the seminars to a family member and it was interpreted as a correction or a judgement, for example." It would be safe to say this must be a fairly common happening in order for her to bring it up. So much for bringing families together. 

Lenora's comments about the First Nations is probably the biggest fabrication in her entire rebuttal screed. Surely the Spezzanos knew APTN was going to broadcast a very revealing and damaging piece about them, and Lenora wrote this shortly before the program aired, probably as an attempt at spin control. If anything, it appears Haida Gwaii is politically and socially more dysfunctional than ever thanks in part to the Spezzanos and members of their cult. APTN portrays a society that is hardly enjoying a "cultural Renaissance."

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)

A devastating report by professional journalists should be enough, but if it isn't then one does not have to look any further than this very forum to confirm the last point. Indeed, it is THE main topic of discussion on this thread. There is no need for me to elaborate.

The question is: What are the Spezzanos going to do to make amends to Haida Gwaii and be accountable for the damage they have created?

We will continue this essay with pt. 5.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 06, 2014, 03:58:58 am
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 5

The next two paragraphs continue Lenora Kay Spezzano's response to a Ripoff Report complaint about business practices in the Spezzano and Associates Ltd. money machine called "Psychology of Vision"--

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019
 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd/kaneohe-hawaii-96744/psychology-of-vision-spezzano-and-associates-ltd-chuck-and-lency-spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019)

"Does the Psychology of Vision use mind-altering practices? By definition, all emotional healing practices, such as forgiveness, would alter the mind in a positive way. Healing removes psychological patterns and obstacles that limit our ability to enjoy our life and have constructive relationships. The result is relief, expansion, happiness and a greater ability to give and receive love. Do we use any form of drug in the seminars? No. Do we use hypnosis? No. Do we use violence and manipulation? No."

"PoV's joining method utilizes love as a healing tool. This love comes from the Source of love (the Creator, Allah, God, the Higher Self - however the seminar participant has chosen to define it) and is effective regardless of the cultural background or religion of the participant. The Psychology of Vision has a non-denominational spiritual framework that leverages its students on their own spiritual path. For example, Muslim students of the Psychology of Vision in Bangladesh appreciate an enhanced direct experience of Allah's love in their prayer time. Seiks in Canada use it to bring more intimacy into their relationship with Guru. Buddhist monks and nuns in Taiwan use it when they advise members of their temple."

She is being misleading at best. In this forum we have recently addressed the issues of the use of hypnosis and manipulation by Lenora, as well as the nondenominational claim. In addition, as she demonstrates over and over in her "joining" YouTubes, Lenora presents herself as the conduit between these astral forces and the client.

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

It is in Lenora's next paragraph where we can move into a few new topics--

"The PoV polices itself professionally, and any complaint about a Trainer's behavior is subjected to a review process of accountability and consequences. If any of us PoV Trainers were damaging people we would have heard about it from those victims, or from witnesses of that abuse. If we were swindling people we would have heard it from them or from their families. We have never received feedback that seminars are over-priced or are not worth what people paid for them. Also, seminar participants are not pressed to bring new members to seminars, or to raise funds that benefit Trainers in any way."

Four thoughts immediately spring to mind.

First, it is true that in the Psychology of Vision Trainers Manual (p. 21-26) they describe a type of Star Chamber of discipline (with a "permanent record" file) and it reveals the very hierarchy that according to Lenora does not exist. It makes one wonder if Charles Lee Spezzano was subjected to any POV disciplinary measures when he brought shame and a lack of integrity to the organisation in 2004 when the State of Hawaii fined him for impersonating a psychologist.

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf  (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html (http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html)

POV cannot have a situation where it "polices itself professionally" unless they have professionals to begin with, which they don't.

Second, POV has been aware of people who have been damaged by their practices, but in their culture of blaming the victim they simply refuse to accept responsibility. For example, it doesn't take a viewer very long to determine that many of Lenora's clients in the YouTube videos are shaking beyond control. Even some of the onlookers were in a state of tremor. But the Spezzanos apparently don't see this as a problem, as this comment from a 2003 POV forum illustrates--

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"- a Shaker obviously causes attention to be drawn to him or her, and ego latches on to anything like that. It can also be very distracting and even scary for people who don't know. Chuck once talked to The Shaker, and at the same time, had a conversation with the non-shaker in the same person. It was very interesting. There was a choice going on."

http://web.archive.org/web/20050308165054/http://psychologyofvision.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000194.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050308165054/http://psychologyofvision.net/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000194.html)

See? It was the shaker's fault. Not Spezzano's. It would safe to assume Charles and Lenora turned a deaf ear to all sorts of damaged people. There is a choice going on. Just like obviously Lenora also does not consider the fine Charles received in 2004 to be a form of Impostor Syndrome or a swindle of sorts. Or that one of their own POV websites, in UK, is currently advertising the upcoming visit of Charles Lee Spezzano thusly:

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"CHUCK SPEZZANO is one of the world’s leading psychologists and experts on relationships and personal growth therapy."

http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250 (http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250)

The man cannot even earn an entry in Wikipedia, and by his admission to APTN he is no psychologist. During this same visit he will charge $1100 an hour for a personal consultation. This is what is known to most people as false advertising and a "swindle" I would say. His God is the Almighty Dollar.

But in terms of finding classic examples of blaming the victim, nothing can surpass the work Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor co-authored by Charles Lee Spezzano and Janie Patrick (later Ticehurst). In reading these it would be reasonable to conclude that the writing partnership consisted of Patrick describing the malady (given her nursing education) and Spezzano inventing the allegory. Once the mainstream world began to pay attention to this source, it evaporated from the public online world and recoiled from the light of truth as rapidly as references to Oneness University, again without explanation.

Fortunately the Spezzano/Patrick work is still available for public inspection at this link--
   
http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm
 (http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm)

Here are some choice entries. Notice that even in cases of congenital disorders the victim is still to blame. Original Sin is alive and well in these little horrifying Spezzano/Patrick "factoids." The very first example serves as a perfect premise, but many others are given to supply you with a feel for just how sensitive and caring Charles Lee Spezzano really can be--

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Birth Defects

A birth defect is an abnormality that is present at birth.

It represents unfinished business from ancestral patterns and/or a past life metaphor. We are being called to heal this soul level issue.

The area of the body affected can give us more information about the metaphoric meaning of this symptom.

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Down's Syndrome

Down’s syndrome is a congenital abnormality (one that is present at birth). It is the result of having an extra chromosome in our genetic make-up, usually number 21 or 22.

Down’s causes moderate to severe mental retardation, oriental appearance of eyes, flat nose or absent bridge of nose, a single palmer [sic] crease on a short broad hand and a dwarfed body.

If we have Down’s syndrome, it means that we have come to learn some lessons at a soul level. We are here to seek soul fulfillment and the completion of a cycle, yet we are stuck in the transition between the old level and the new.

The two main soul lessons of Down’s syndrome are correcting over-willfulness and giving up the ego’s plan in exchange for heaven’s plan.

Oriental?!?

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Parkinson's Disease

Parkinson’s disease is a nerve disorder characterized by a slowly spreading tremor.

It shows that we are caught in an unconscious fear about accomplishing our soul purpose or promise.

This unconscious, or soul level, issue has us "shaking in our boots."

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Muscular Dystrophy

Muscular Dystrophy is characterized by the wasting away and atrophy of muscles.

It is believed to be a genetic defect in muscle metabolism that can be inherited from one generation to the next. Typically symptoms show up early in life, and it is more common in males than females.

Having Muscular Dystrophy indicates the existence of an ancestral issue that has left us weak, debilitated and afraid (paralysis).

A guilt issue has become a family script and now there is a level of self-attack.

Somewhere in the past generations of our family, there is a belief that being strong, powerful or cruel, caused damage, and therefore we are afraid to have strength now.

Muscular Dystrophy is a compensation to cover over and make up for this issue.

We are being called upon to let our weakness be heaven’s strength.

This inspires us to let heaven be in charge so that we know our power and strength will be used with the highest integrity.

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Meningitis

Meningitis is the inflammation of the membranes covering the brain and spinal cord.

It represents where we are disillusioned about something that we consider central to our life, which has led to anger, disappointment and death temptation.

Meningitis can point to a surfacing core memory where we felt unsafe and unprotected. Our conflict comes from feeling emotionally attacked in such a way that it steals our courage and makes us fearful.

It can stem from feelings of unrequited love or from not getting what we were trying to get. This can happen in spite of having acted in the correct, prescribed way to get it.

We feel a frustration or anger from not getting what we want. Our conflicts stem from an unwillingness to move on.

While every illness has a relationship component, this one may place emphasis more on our purpose, career or "doing" side.

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Glaucoma

Glaucoma is a disease of the eye, resulting from a pressure build up within it. This pressure can eventually lead to optic nerve atrophy and blindness.

The predilection for this disease is inherited ancestrally. It is representative of an emotional pressure, or a place where a part of us (a self) is suspended in emotional trauma.

We are pushing ourselves to do something, but can’t see a way to do it and go forward.

Blindness eventually ensues because there is something we don’t want to see. At some level we are adamant or stubborn about something.

We are reluctant to recognize our responsibility and the need to change, find the way forward or lead. Instead, we give ourselves away emotionally until we reach a point of feeling stressed and overwhelmed.

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Prostate Gland

The prostate gland secretes fluid, which becomes part of the semen.

The prostate gland represents issues involving sexuality and masculinity.

Problems with the prostate indicate a level of sexual guilt and an interruption to our natural flow or creativity and emotional processes.
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Gall Bladder

The gall bladder is a pear-shaped sac on the under-surface of the right lobe of the liver. Part of its function is to provide gastric juices to the digestive process to help break food down for assimilation.

Problems with the gall bladder indicate that feelings of anger and bitterness have become overwhelming and that we are judging what is going on.

We feel attacked and bitter about something and/or someone’s bold effrontery (gall).

We are projecting arrogance from a shadow figure, a part of ourselves that we have fractured off as an unbearable belief about our self.
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Fibrocystic Breast Disease

Fibrocystic breast disease is characterized by single or multiple benign tumors of the breast, showing that we have cut off an element of nurturing.

While we push to move forward, we are holding on to something unresolved from the past. Part of our life’s purpose is nurturing those around us, but because we didn’t feel nurtured ourselves, we carry a grievance.

This grievance-judgment hides our own guilt, which in turn hides our soul level gift of nurturing. Instead of embracing the act of true giving, we have either adopted a role, or we have withdrawn from the gift of nurturing altogether.

This gift was meant to nurture the very parent we have a grievance with for not nurturing us. All of this is a conspiracy that has to do with giving nurturance.

We see it as too big a challenge for us, because we perceive the need around us as too great.

But, like any purpose, heaven does it through us; we don’t accomplish it alone. So we could receive heaven’s nurturing for those around us.
 
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Fibroids Uterine

Uterine fibroids are fibrous, encapsulated, connective tissue. Found in the uterus, these benign tumors vary in size from a few millimeters to the size of the abdominal cavity.

They demonstrate that we are rooted in the past with some grievance under a buried level of guilt. We have a desire for birth, but are afraid to let go of the past and give what it takes to make a leap forward.

Our desire for birth goes only as far as the desire. The fibroids depict our unwillingness and blockage to nurturing and truly birthing ourselves.

This block stems from a place where we are giving and not receiving.

We may be caught in the mothering role of taking care of the whole family. We are using the role and our family as an excuse to not move forward and live our life in such a way that would encourage and support them the most.

We are being called for commitment to the birth of self, which would generate ease.
The following disease description is particularly cruel given the fact diarrhea is a major killer of children in the world amnd in areas of great poverty. But Charles Lee Spezzano probably thought this was pretty witty.

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Diarrhea

Diarrhea is the frequent passage of abnormally watery bowel movements.

This symptom comes from the feeling that we "don’t have our shit together" about some issue or area in our life. There are feelings of loss of control and courage or feeling unprepared and disorganized.

Diarrhea reflects a fear of the next step because we have not yet handled this particular area of our life. We are "running" for it.
Lenora worked with the deaf earlier in her career. That makes the following entry twice as insensitive--

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Deafness

Deafness is a complete or partial lack of the ability to hear.

It signifies that there is something that we don’t want to hear either about relationship (left ear), or career (right ear).

We have a fear of our purpose, and there is something that we are refusing to learn. There is an area where we have cut ourselves off, which is holding us back from joining the dance of life.

Because we want to do things our way, there is something we don’t want to hear from others or from within. Deafness means we have some stubbornness and unwillingness to listen and communicate.
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Diabetes Mellitus

Diabetes mellitus is an impairment of the body’s utilization of sugar.

Sugar is used in several languages to describe sweetness and love. Metaphoric statements and "pet names" such as "Give me some sugar," "Honey," "Sweetness" and "Sugar love" are abundantly used in the English language with those we feel close to.

The problem with diabetes is not that there is not enough sugar available; it is that the body is not able to metabolize it normally.

Emotionally, there is a hidden fear of sweetness and intimacy. Just as the body can’t completely transform the sugar into a usable form, we may have love in our life, but somehow we are not able to receive or experience it fully.

We might be in a loving, nurturing relationship or be the member of a very loving family, yet we are simply unable or unwilling to feel the love at a deep level.

The problem, therefore, is that we have a block to receiving nurturing and love. This is often an ancestral issue passed on inter-generationally.

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Cystic Fibrosis

This is a disease of the exocrine glands (i.e. glands that secrete externally).

Cystic Fibrosis is an inherited disease, which usually begins in infancy and is rooted in unresolved pain. It affects the pancreas, respiratory system and sweat glands.

Problems caused by this disease include chronic respiratory infections, heat intolerance and pancreatic insufficiency.

Cystic Fibrosis indicates that there is some kind of self-deception going on. Metaphorically, an ancestral ‘big hairy spider’ is weaving a web of deception around us as a result of repressed sibling Oedipal patterns, usually involving a "cyst-er" (sister).

We are unable to "secrete" the pain due to some deep issue from the past in our family. This may be hidden by sexual guilt and revulsion, which are compensations for the attraction.
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Constipation

If we are constipated, then we are having difficulty with our bowel movements, due to the passage of hard and dry fecal material and sluggish action of the bowels.

Constipation shows us that we are holding on to the past. We are holding on to our "shit" (emotional detritus), with a conflict between the need to let go and the refusal to let go.
To truly appreciate the following you need to find a recent photograph of Charles Lee Spezzano--

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Obesity

Obesity is a state of being abnormally fat and is one of the ways in which we hide our true self, true power, purpose and sexuality.

We are caught in major patterns of indulgence and sacrifice; we are substituting food for love, bonding and creativity.

We have deep feelings of insecurity and are trying to fill up our unconscious, hidden feelings of desolation, misery and desperation.

Our obesity is an attempt to create padding to protect us from the shocks and downfalls of life.

Overeating is a way to tranquilize our emotional pain and fear. There may be a massive compensation for feelings of failure.
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Alzheimer's Disease

Alzheimer’s disease is a form of dementia, involving the loss of memory, speech and physical ability that is accompanied by the deterioration of intellectual function and disorientation.

This is the result of a lifetime of unprocessed emotion and shattered dreams, combined with a loss of hope that comes from our feeling that time is running out.

From shattered dreams we derive the feeling of missed opportunities; not living up to our potential, disappointment in ourselves, the desire to return to a better past, unwillingness to deal with the present, regression from purpose and from life, and retreat into the past.

There is a great desire for us to forget and so we live in the past, no longer feeling strong enough to deal with the present, which has only been disappointing.

Suffering from Alzheimer’s means that we have a lot of experiences that we have not understood or processed emotionally.

Suffering from broken dreams, and having been overwhelmed with life’s losses and disillusionments, we withdraw into ourselves and into our own world.
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AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome)

This disease means our body has lost its ability to fight off infection. Infection by the HIV virus has caused serious damage to our immune system.

Normally our immune systems produce antibodies to fight off foreign agents but, because we have a poorly functioning immune system, "opportunistic infections" take advantage and infect the body.

The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.

At some level, we experience an inability to receive or give help. We are caught in a trap of indulgence, martyrdom or rebellion, rather than leadership.

The martyrdom takes the form of not receiving help and at the same time criticizing parents, family and society’s ability to give.

Yet, we are ignoring our vocation, refusing to heed the call to giving, to leadership, purpose, vision and not allowing ourselves to have all the help and comfort we crave.

In the YouTube Can AIDS Be Healed, Charles Lee Spezzano expands on this topic and also claims he has worked in cases where AIDS and cancer have been cured.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc)

It was the Spezzano and Patrick entry on cancer that probably brought the most unwanted attention from the POV standpoint--
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Cancer

Cancer involves the transformation of healthy functioning cells into malignant, or harmful, cells. The altered cells transfer faulty information to their offspring, and the cancerous cells grow in an abnormal and destructive way.

Cancer is the embodiment of self-directed anger. It reflects a place of guilt and self-attack.

A traumatic situation with a significant other will have taken place between six and eighteen months before the onset of the cancer.

At some level, it is an attack on another through self-harm. It highlights that we have a need to give that has gone wild, or is completely misplaced, in addition to a fear of our purpose.

Cancer reflects a fear of the next chapter in our life and a fear of major or radical change for the better.

Tumors encapsulate our repressed anger, malice and conflicting, hidden belief systems.

We are trying to shelter our pain or disappointment and are attempting to hold back negative self-beliefs and evil self-concepts. These mistaken beliefs and self-concepts stem from unresolved emotional fractures and broken hearts.

We can get more information about our particular cancer by cross-referencing the information in this section with the body part affected.

For example, if we have cancer of the stomach then we know that our anger is also about our ability to accept, integrate, receive and be nurtured. It may also reflect aspects of introjection, (swallowing others emotional pain).

The late Morty the Dog shared the Spezzano and Patrick description of cancer with the American Cancer Society, who filed the following response--
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Dear Steve,

Thank you for sharing your important concerns with your American Cancer Society.  As you may know, researchers have done many studies to see if there is a link between personality, stress, and cancer. No scientific evidence has shown that a person’s personality or outlook can affect their cancer risk. This information can be found at the link below:

> Questions People Ask About Cancer:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/questions-people-ask-about-cancer
 (http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/questions-people-ask-about-cancer)
The Society often reaches out to organizations when we see something we think is not right, not fair, or not productive to the fight against cancer; however, we cannot do this in every case. That's why we rely on people like you, our supporters, to help us.

Your words can mean more than you might think. As a volunteer organization, we know well the power of the public to change the course of cancer. Therefore, we encourage you to personally contact those who give platforms to Chuck Spezzano and others when you want to express your opinion. Together, we can make a difference.

Thank you again for helping your American Cancer Society to create a world with less cancer and more birthdays.

Sarah
Online Cancer Information Specialist
Attachments provided. Collected by Sandy S.

Rather than defend their dogma, it appears the Ticehurst website censored all Spezzano references and even deleted one of Charles Lee Spezzano's YouTube videos on "Self-Health." According to Psiram, the Spezzano and Patrick/Ticehurst "Healing" information is currently available only by invitation.

http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision#Healing_Keys (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision#Healing_Keys)

One former trainer, who on the whole still praised the Spezzanos, wrote to me and observed this Spezzano/Patrick aspect of Psychology of Vision was showcasing the corporation at its money-grubbing worst and admitted it was an Achilles Heel of the organisation. He dismissed it as a sideshow, which is a typical POV rationalisation. In my view, much like the allegiance to Oneness University, this other deleted portion of POV history is part of the central core of their philosophy. POV is becoming a dwelling where the builders are knocking down the foundations. Sooner or later the whole thing is going to fall down. 

Third point-- the overpriced aspect of POV. In this regard Lenora could be correct in terms of the naive and manipulated cult followers not willing to complain directly to POV. But it is not hard to find such complaints even from POV adherents when one surfs through the Web in a critical manner. I think Brian Lynchehaun, who was on to the POV confidence trickster game ahead of the curve, addresses Lenora's rationalisation quite well when he brings up the behaviour of "buyer's remorse"--

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"So it’s important to note the financial commitment that the participants have made here: they are predisposed to accept most anything that Lency does as ‘correct’ and/or ‘appropriate’. A rejection of what she does would lead to buyers remorse, a state we all try to avoid wherever possible."

http://brilyn.net/taking-advantage-of-seeking-a-better-life/ (http://brilyn.net/taking-advantage-of-seeking-a-better-life/)

Well said. It has been suggested by critical thinker humanists who want to save cult victims that if POV followers add up how much of their financial resources have been spent on following the Habitrails the corporation requires for loyalty, including taking into account the non-subsidised travel, food, and lodging and then take an inventory of how much your POV involvement has cost in terms of family/friends connection and whatever cultural connections you had in defining your most precious and primal inner self-- the result might be enlightening. True enlightenment, based in the real world.

My impression of the POV trainers is that they are not stupid people (well, most of them), but have been spiritually and emotionally damaged to a point of desperation where the mainstream system has failed them and they are reduced to detouring down a dead-end street called "Psychology of Vision" which is run by a couple of back-alley confidence tricksters. 

In most organisations, the higher you rise, the more power you acquire. But not in Psychology of Vision. Instead, the higher you rise, the more money Charles Lee and Lenora Kay Spezzano can extract from you. One look at the "trainer fee" schedule in the POV Trainers Manual (p. 11) will confirm that. And they remain the top two most powerful people and always will no matter what since they are the President and Vice-President of Spezzano and Associates Ltd., the company that owns POV.

The Spezzanos like to cite the overhead of their operations when defending their outrageous fees. I would counter that you can find someone locally who, unlike the Spezzanos, has an academic degree recognized by the APA and can provide you with better help and follow up at a much more reasonable and less greedy rate.

Some POV trainers have spent enough money on Charles Lee and Lenora Kay Spezzano that if they had invested the same amount in a legitimate professional academic degree they might have had a real future in the field of psychology by now. Instead they have wasted all those dollars and energy on a confidence game and emerged with nothing more than a worthless set of credentials that are meaningless in the real world. They've been had. POV is not Harvard. It isn't even a GED degree. It is nothing. No one outside of the tiny esoteric POV snowglobe respects or recognizes these credentials.

Finally, Lenora's claim that "Also, seminar participants are not pressed to bring new members to seminars, or to raise funds that benefit Trainers in any way" has been pretty well destroyed by our own Ingeborg's research into how the "First Nations Fund" works. Read posts # 144-147 on this forum:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665)

The most authoritative primary source on how the First Nations Fund scam (and the POV Swiss bank account) worked was the German version of the POV Trainers Manual. But, surprise, surprise, this site was removed after Ingeborg exposed the inconvenient truths contained within it right here on this forum. Typical POV response. This joins the Oneness University and Healing Metaphors in terms of Soviet style purges. Censored with no recognition or taking responsibility that it ever existed. This seems a bit hypocritical for an organisation that claims it will help clients face their personal demons of denial.

Here's the link tnat will lead you to nowhere, a fitting allegory for POV--

http://www.pov-int.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-dt-Trainerhandbuch.pdf (http://www.pov-int.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-dt-Trainerhandbuch.pdf)

So much for "transparency," or "cutting edge," or "paradigm shifts." Same old practices expected as usual from a multinational corporation. Covering up and lying while victimising gullible people in order to enlarge the bank account.

Not that we need any more, but we continue this series of examining the Ripoff Report rebuttal of Lenora Kay Spezzano in the next installment, part 6.





Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 06, 2014, 02:36:34 pm
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 6

Here are the concluding three paragraphs of Lenora Kay Spezzano's rebuttal to a consumer complaint in Ripoff Report. In this final installment of my essay, Lenora makes an attempt to identify the motives of her critic--

http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Psychology-of-Vision-Spezzano-and-Associates-Ltd/KANEOHE-Hawaii-96744/Psychology-of-Vision-Spezzano-and-Associates-Ltd-Chuck-and-Lency-Spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019#comment_1
 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Psychology-of-Vision-Spezzano-and-Associates-Ltd/KANEOHE-Hawaii-96744/Psychology-of-Vision-Spezzano-and-Associates-Ltd-Chuck-and-Lency-Spezzano-scam-psycholog-1087019#comment_1)

"For the Psychology of Vision to have drawn such attack, it is likely that two elements are involved regarding the attacker. The first is that the person has a fear of feeling their suppressed or repressed emotions - they are not on a healing path themselves, and feel threatened that other people might expect them to face their emotional issues. Therefore, the Psychology of Vision becomes a frightening thing. The second element is that the Psychology of Vision has become ammunition for a fight the person is already in. Perhaps someone recommended the seminars to a family member and it was interpreted as a correction or a judgement, for example. When that fear is the filter of perception of us, there is little that could be said that would allow us to be seen as well intentioned and beneficial. At the same time, it is clear that the writer of the report has a different agenda - a personal reason for attacking us and attempting to destroy our reputation. He is not someone who is just speaking up to protect innocent consumers. He has never been to a Psychology of Vision training, and has no training in psychology."

"It appears that the fellow also went to all of the Youtube videos we and others have uploaded and posted on each of them the accusation that we are cons running a scam. As if money could be the only motivation for doing what we do? All the seminars that Chuck and I have taught in First Nations communities were ones we donated - often twice a year. It is the opposite of draining communities. So far, no one is getting rich off this work. :) Perhaps the author of the attack does not have an understanding of the overhead involved in promoting events internationally. We require a full time staff of 5 at our home base, for example, and more help during our heaviest months. It is also obvious that the author of the attack has not studied psychology."

"As I mentioned, we are an association of 52 Psychology of Vision Trainers around the world. Our international website is http://www.psychologyofvision.com (http://www.psychologyofvision.com), and Chuck's and my personal site is http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com (http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com). The Youtube videos referred to in the report are examples of one exercise - a 'download' - experiencing oneness with another as a way of opening our minds to receiving grace. While the videos do not show the primary form of work that I do, they are a taste of the work. Here is one example:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY)."

Now for some disclosure here. I know the identity of Lenora's critic. If Lenora's above stabs in the dark are an indication of her occupational deductive or intuitive ability then I'd say she does not know very much about psychology. The first time I read this I had a long laugh. She is so off the mark on almost every point. Before you ask, no, I am not the writer of that original criticism.

Lenora is correct when she says "As if money could be the only motivation for doing what we do?" Although money is the chief motivation, we cannot discount the motivation of power and the ego-boost of heading a cult. As the YouTubes demonstrate, there is some sort of sadistic game taking place here.

As stated before, her misleading comments on donating to First Nations were addressed by Ingeborg on this forum. As it happens POV has deleted the German POV Trainers Manual from the online world, but fortunately we can provide part of the transcript here.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673)

It does indeed seem no one is getting rich from POV-- except the Spezzanos. I hope Revenue Canada and the US IRS and the Hawaii Department of Taxation are following this discussion. Particularly the information from the now deleted German POV Trainers Manual about that Swiss bank account--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665
 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36665#msg36665)

The figure given of 52 POV trainers is considerably less than the 70+ mentioned in years past. There are more than a few ex-POV trainers and spiritual healing colleagues out there who are not entirely smitten by Charles and Lenora.

I find it fascinating Lenora went out of her way to highlight one of the most damaging and self-incriminating YouTubes on the eve of the APTN exposé. This is the one where she places Babs Stevens under what appears to be hypnosis, making her client virtually comatose by the end of the presentation, and then Lenora presents herself as Melissa Meyer's surrogate mother. This is a creepier than usual "download" and APTN made use of it in their investigative piece. 

In conclusion, Lenora Kay Spezzano failed to make her case and did an inadequate job defending the charge that POV is anything more than a scam and ripoff. The original critique stands.

 


 
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on April 06, 2014, 05:16:35 pm
POV is a cult or a religious organisation? Those authorized experts who can explore the different organisations, can they classify POV in a category as cult or religious organisation or something else? I got no experiences and I knew too few about POV to classify.
But I try to envision to myself which results can develope from POV´s way and there are just very few aspects based on a part of the following letter https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=261854654609. Just few, there is a lot coming up in my mind when I try to understand what is behind, and this is my way to see.


From the letter (in italic)

1. "Violence except in self defense shows ego-driven behavior which only works for and brings more darkness as we approach the dawn."
2. "On the other hand, never let anyone victimize you. It hurts you and increases both of your guilt."
"Disengage yourself from anyone who is attacking because even if they are right, they are totally wrong. How one’s process shows itself in life is much more telling than what they seem to espouse. "

> 1. What do POV understand about "Violence"? I think POV differentiate between physical and psychological aspects, but what is violence, what is it not?
Some emotions are a kind of violence, and everybody got his different emotions:  Pleasure, mourning, grief, anger, etc. they due in a context to its causations and excited reactions - and this a part of conversation and exchange between people -  should be.
Negative emotions are a kind of violence, they hurt, its causations hurt, the excited emotions hurt, hurt myself and other, maybe. The pain shows there is something going wrong, I want other to know and understand this, I don´t want this any longer, they should stop this. There is no place for a smile in me. And this brings more darkness to me? Yes, this is ok. Or is this wrong, do I got no right to say what is not ok? It doesn´t mean I addict to a constant hate or pain.

> 2. What should I do now with my bad emotions? I don´t disengage myself, I make something clear, I do not want to  tear someone in pieces.
I am guilty for my bad feelings of my bad emotions. Without being guilty I cannot explain honestly to other people what happens to me with their behaviour, I cannot clear the context. If I disengage, how could I reach the other one and ask him to stop this hurt? How could I expect this person will understand me? How could I understand someone whom I have hurt? Could I stop my harming behaviour without facing what I have done and do? Impossible. If I really try to find out what all this really means to my inner, I must confrontate and reflect this. There are the causations, my reactions, my emotions, well this process tells more than words just can do. Well, they belong together. Negative emotions left a bad feeling inside, they don´t feel well, fine or happy. Their task is to identify, to understand, comprehend that there is or was a situation which was bad, it must be stopped. And I don´t smile when I am angry or sad, I don´t laugh and turn my pain into lies. And I don´t misuse other energy.


For some people to feel the pain of bad emotions is important to understand those bad liveevents they have been undergoing, they were terrible, hurting, fearing, false ... and often they learn they are not guilty. (for e.g. abuse, see later).

I know people who disengage - dissociating - their emotions and reactions away from the causations, they got no connection to their inner, they are mentally ill and a lot of them suffer from this way of life. Sometimes the causations, emotions and reactions don´t belong together, they are  acting in a muster and cannot stop this at all. Do POV force this way of dissociation?
People with these kinds of mental desease learn to reflect and confrontate their life, to understand what happened, and then they can change something on their own. This is a hard way to walk to face the facts, maybe integrate ... and look for a good way to live. It is not easy in practice, not successful at every time. Sometimes it is easy towalk, sometimes it seems impossible. This is one part of a psychotherapy, POV do not touch this part.


"Even in situations where you are totally overwhelmed by another’s attack, you can use that energy that comes against you to lift you up into higher consciousness."

What do POV tell me? I use the other one´s energy to fight him back to deliver the guilt, just then I am not guilty anymore. I need to abuse negative emotions to fight against other people, who harmed POV or me in reality or in suggestions? And its causations? This is a terrible feeling to behave in this way. And I must be blinded not to comprehend what I do to other people (critics; ...), blinded fore the harm, suffer, tears, I will be guilty. There is no excuse in delivering guilt. This is not the way I want to live. But this seems the way POV want from their people?
In a higher consciousness it is easy to lose the sight and contact to life. This higher consciousness is too far away from living, there is no nearness and no place for reflection.
Could POV ever understand, comprehend the processes of other way of thinking, emotions, reactions, is there even a place for it?
Or better put this in honest words: This must not be a part of a successful aim in their "therapy", it would be counterproductive for the results. Results? "To forgive" To forgive whom and what? Who is part of the world?


"The key is to value peace, which shows how much you value yourself and to employ forgiveness when you are not peaceful to bring you peace. It is our purpose to forgive the world. It is what we came for. This shows that we do not value smallness, nor consider ourselves small but recognize our greatness and equally that of others as children of Light, though some may have lost their way. Peace is the gateway to true greatness, rather than the exaggeration of the ego. Peace generates love, abundance and happiness. What is in our mind, even the most hidden bits, are displayed in the world around us, so to forgive is to forgive ourselves for the hidden negativity within us."


Peace is not something I can get or buy, I must work for it, and a higher place to reach is not my kind, not in this way I got to see this in a forced connection with forgiveness.
Do POV understand, there are lifeevents of people who don´t want to feel peace for it, that there is no place to forgive? Noone should tell me whom I have to forgive, whom not. This is always my individual decision. POV tell me if I forgive other who hurt me, I don´t forgive myself; but this is a cruel correlation, a lie.
What does it mean to violated victims: If victims forgive their tormentors, they forgive themself (victims)? This is a cruel emotional blackmail and maybe they will clutch at these straws to disappear from the pain, they don´t want to live with it.
Those tormentors who hurt other, abuse, misuse, hit, afflict, crucify ... do POV forgive them? Do POV really imply the victims they should forgive their tormentors to forgive themself? Have they (POV) ever felt on their own, what they force the victims who are been hurt to do? If the victims are not successful to forgive, maybe they feel guilty, feel guilty as the tormentor told the victim again and again and again: "You are guilty for what you have deserved." The tormentor justify his violation of the raped woman. Cruel!
There are people who don´t want to feel peace or forgiveness. Are the victims wrong? I saw the documentary "Höllenleben" at youtube and the woman was asked, if they can forgive their mother. No, they cannot. And the woman, all these people of this group in this woman, they all got the right to say this. (Höllenleben is a documantary about a woman with DID who survived satanic abuse, the documantary is hard)
I know about people who where hurt very hard through their lifeevents, they got the right to say "I am so angry and I don´t forgive." Who got the right to tell them they must forgive?
All this does not mean, these people stay in bad emotions for all the time. But to feel the pain shows them very true that something was very wrong.
Certainley they look for peace and a good way to live, but they chose on their own. This is a great difference. And maybe some of them can forgive teir offender, maybe, maybe not.
To forgive this is no the right of POV, and this not therapy what POV is doing.

 
I don´t think, POV wants to walk this cruel way, but how often they do it? Do POV know something about psychology? I can not say, but I could imagine yes. How deep is their understanding and knowledge and what do they misconstrue I cannot say.
I fear, in this special way POV works, there can never be conversation and understanding, there is never a deep listening. For POV it seems easily to pervert or lose some facts, embedded in some true facts - a cruel mix losing its real meaning. And they don´t have a close look what they cause by their work. Truth and understanding is not what POV is looking for.
In their work they I see, that they have got and work for a therapeutic aim in mind. There is a beginning, a reason to start their therapy. But what they don´t do: They don´t let the people walk their own path with an individual aim of therapy, they cannot find their needs, cannot reflect themselves. There is no way to walk, this "mid" way, is it lost, forgotten, misused?
And what is about the end of the therapy, its results, are they dissolved and cleared? It doesn´t seem to me, maybe that's also not what POV wish, they want dependency, no freedom, no own decisions. But responsibility is everybody his own thing. POV is not responsible because everybody chose on its own to follow POV, no matter how free is somebody to be able to chose.
You cannot deliver responsibility, even POV cannot do this. But in this case, what is responsibility?

This is just few I understand from the little of their work POV offer, if they would offer more, I don´t know what results are coming up. Maybe POV will fear the answers of critics and experts.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on April 06, 2014, 05:32:51 pm

@Sturmboe:

can you please effect one change to your above contribution?

DE kursiv = EN in italics

(Although we use the term "kursiv" in German language, English-language readers will rather make a connotation to "curse" which means something completely different). Thnx


For matters of convenience:

Bitte ändere doch das "in kursiv" oben auf "in italics". Englischsprachige Leser haben sonst eher den Begriff "curse" vor Augen, was fluchen bedeutet. Danke.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: volcano woman on April 06, 2014, 08:39:59 pm
http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/[/url][/quote][/quote]] (ftp://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)
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Lenora's comments about the First Nations is probably the biggest fabrication in her entire rebuttal screed. Surely the Spezzanos knew APTN was going to broadcast a very revealing and damaging piece about them, and Lenora wrote this shortly before the program aired, probably as an attempt at spin control. If anything, it appears Haida Gwaii is politically and socially more dysfunctional than ever thanks in part to the Spezzanos and members of their cult. APTN portrays a society that is hardly enjoying a "cultural Renaissance."[/color][/color]

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)
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A recent response from First Nations leader in British Columbia in regards to the viewing of new age cults plaguing our indigenous peoples as reported on plastic shamans Aptn investigates.   


Approaching 70, with my privileged life nearly half over, I reflect on the condition of Indian Peoples:- I have seen the effects of the Whiteman's government, religion and foolish assumption of superiority. It is a sad and sorry litany of abuse.-My Mum often spoke lovingly of the time when the POTLATCH was our only form of government AND religion. She lived this ideal all her life, remaining a strong MUSGAMAGW even in the face of the destruction brought by the churches, DIA, welfare and industry. I am glad that she did not get to see the PHONY HEALERS & THEIR CULTS, the most recent group of maggots feeding on the decaying flesh of our Nations.- They are the NEW SMALLPOX sent to destroy Our Peoples.

Hemas Kla-Lee-Lee-Kla (Chief Bill Wilson, BA, LLB)

To learn more about this true blue leader read:

First Nations Chief Bill Wilson retells family history in B.C.

ww2.canada.com/vancouversun/features/apology/story.html?id=ed488591-6320-409a-bbc6-1043d170c9f1



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 07, 2014, 11:11:15 am
Attached for educational purposes and in case the RCMP did not get a chance to read Section K (First Nations Fund), the non-copyrighted 2013 German version of the Psychology of Vision Handbook (must be signed in to view).
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on April 07, 2014, 05:40:54 pm
here is a link to a little poster that says a lot..

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1525360_10152205535464297_627747463_n.jpg

there is help for those people that had this happen to them.

here is a link that may help to open up and seek other ways and directions in seeking recovery.

http://www.skepticfiles.org/fw/counseli.htm

 if you've been deceived and deluded by a recruiter into joining a high demand cult group.. remember that you are not the first and unfortunatly not going to be the last, remember that you are not alone ,there are many caring legit people and a lot of helpful information that will help you in recovery.   
  if you're considering joining a group, prevention is the best medicine and researching about the groups is the best remedy, this nafps site is an excellent place to start researching whether groups are harmful or credible.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 08, 2014, 06:42:55 am
Before Charles Lee Spezzano's "Self-Health" 2010 YouTube was deleted from public view by Janie or Julian Ticehurst, his quote in the video sermon about the cause of diseases was documented--

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"You can't have health problems unless you feel guilty about something, and then at an even deeper level you can't have a health problem unless you're getting revenge on someone."

Spezzano's Twitter promoted the video--
https://twitter.com/ChuckSpezzano/status/12429692405 (https://twitter.com/ChuckSpezzano/status/12429692405)

But if you follow the link provided on Twitter it has been removed. It was in YouTube under Janie's name--
http://youtu.be/7JABEQNu18k (http://youtu.be/7JABEQNu18k)

This was the same YouTube where our friend NoCon had questioned Spezzano's professional credentials in the comments, especially given the fact in Janie Ticehurst's Healing Metaphors biography, her co-author Charles was described as a "psychologist." Julian Ticehurst gave this reply--

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"That's true. Chuck Spezzano is not a psychologist, he isn't licensed. He describes himself as a Coach. Janie describes herself as a Health Coach. Janie is a Registered Nurse. She is not licensed to counsel or to be any form of psychologist. All the best and thanks for raising this important point."

Snip taken from the source is attached, courtesy of a person interested in social justice for First Nations (I salute you! Good catch!)

A few months ago the College of Registered Nurses in British Columbia confirmed there is no one in their register under the name of "Janie Ticehurst." So either she is registered under her maiden name, or she isn't registered at all in BC. It is possible she might have been registered elsewhere, but that would not do her any good after she migrated to Canada. In any case, she needs to do some updating here so if a BC citizen wishes to lodge a complaint about a supposedly professional nurse promoting destructive and superstitious health advice, such as the above quote from Charles Lee Spezzano, the CRNBC can take disciplinary measures without using detective work.

Shortly after Julian's response appeared, the entire "Self-Health" YouTube was removed.

Just for emphasis and because an attempt was made to cover this up, let us read this quote from Charles Lee Spezzano once again--

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"You can't have health problems unless you feel guilty about something, and then at an even deeper level you can't have a health problem unless you're getting revenge on someone."

This, my friends, is really the keystone to the Spezzano & Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision scam. You are bad. We will rescue you while charging incredibly high fees and if the attempt fails it is your fault because you are bad. We are never to blame.

Around and around it goes. Many SAL/POV trainers go out in the world and attempt to duplicate this scam with their own spin. In British Columbia, this has translated into a disaster that will take a few generations to repair for FN. Two words spring to mind: Affinity Fraud.

In a previous post our comrade moreinfo has provided a link for people brave enough to start the journey back to the real world and escape this vicious circle of SAL/POV manipulation.




 








Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 08, 2014, 08:13:23 pm
Here's a quick rough draft attempt in identifying the Spezzano & Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision structure and current personnel. My sincere apologies if I have inaccurately transcribed some of the names. I was using Google translator and it is highly possible some of them need correcting. This is a draft and is meant to be fine tuned and enhanced.

Top tier

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Spezzano & Associates Ltd.

Charles Lee Spezzano, President

Lenora Kay Spezzano, Vice-President
---------------------------------------------Charlie Latiolais, Office Manager

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2nd tier

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Psychology of Vision Steering Committee

Charles Lee Spezzano, Lenora Kay Spezzano, Jeff Allen, Julie Wookey, Francine Girard, Hiromi Kurihara, Hideaki Kuirhara
----------------------------------------------Francine Girard, Program Director, other executive duties

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3rd tier, by region, and subdivided into further tiers by trainer level, if known:

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Europe

Level 3: Susanne Ernest
Level 1: Anke Schuppan, Anne-Kathrin Koch, Claudia Schönfeld, Kurt Sommer, Mathias Keller, Rebecca Wildi, Torsten Konrad

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Taiwan

Wendy Shieh, Daphne Wang, Krystal Hsu, Jordan Kao, Chi-Ching, Joy Huang Huishu, Yanni Hwang, Joyce Cheng Cheng, Ian Y. Lai, Amanda Blue.


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ASK Taiwan/Hong Kong

Peter Lo, Franklin Fan, Twiggy Lam, Marissa Fan, Avis Law, Kelvin Ho, Camille Liu.
Staff: Jenny Soares

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Canada (chiefly British Columbia)

Level 2: Susan How
Level 1: Doug Anderson, Babs Stevens, Joanne Roberts, Betty Lou Hunt, Charles Campbell, Melissa Meyer
Staff: Marianne Vermilyea

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UK/Ireland

Master Level 4: Julie Wookey, Jeff Allen
Level 2: Sue Allen
Level 1: Alex Patchett-Joyce, Alison Banks, Avril Woodward, Barb Jones, Evie Prior
Unknown: Nicky Rangecroft
Staff: Linda [Sankey?]

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Japan

Master Level 4: Hiromi Kurihara (also works in Singapore's "Growth Vision"), Hideaki Kurihara
Level 2: Yume Yuko, Mami Yoshida
Level 1: Kumakura Riko, Yukiko Ito, Murai Kumi, Shimakura Junko, Naoko Takahashi








Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 10, 2014, 04:25:31 am
"Realize that when you have an illness, some hidden part of your mind wanted it to occur."--Spezzano and Ticehurst

One of our NAFPS readers asked me to write a little more about the Healing Metaphors A-Z by Charles Lee Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst. I earlier posted several of the very cruel descriptions of various misfortunes by Spezzano and Ticehurst where the person suffering the malady is always at fault--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37041#msg37041 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37041#msg37041)

By extending this train of thought as these writings apply to individuals and then imagine turning it to whole societies it would be logical to conclude that Charles Lee Spezzano also believes the entire FN civilization suffered their abuse and near-genocide at the hands of Euro North American Manifest Destiny invaders because it was brought upon themselves for their bad behaviour. We may as well include the treatment of native Hawaiians, Jews in Central Europe in the 1930s, African-Americans throughout United States history, Chinese and Korean victimisation by Japan in the 20th century, women in all cultures throughout time ... the list is endless. This evil  philosophy and outlook would be consistent with someone having the belief that he is God's agent and has a strong sense of entitlement. Someone like well-fed American white male early Boomer Charles Lee Spezzano. Miracles come easy when you marry into money.

There is no sense of social justice here. The victim is showered with guilt in order to be manipulated with the end result being the "rescuer" making a profit. That is, in a nutshell, how POV captured Haida Gwaii. After POV falls, Haida Gwaii leaders who bought into this scam will be recorded in history as collaborators of frauds who sold their own culture down the river in exchange for-- nothing important. Not a legacy most people would cherish.

NAFPS has already posted evidence how Charles and Lenora feel superior to Asians, so it is natural to assume this racism is not limited to one culture. Both of them were raised in the 1950s/1960s in areas where if not political then social race segregation was rampant. They still have some deep-seated generational/regional issues to work out as they try to reconcile themselves to the realities of the 21st century, judging by their writings. In Lenora's case we can add the layer of substantial affluence as a further barrier to the experience of the "common" person, which introduces a substantial class division as well as a racial one. Lenora never was really grounded to the personal economic realities of normal working people, to put it in a polite way. 

Charles is one very disturbed, insecure and vainglorious character-- sort of like George Armstrong Custer. Look at the way he portrays himself (or allows it to happen) in various POV websites, Facebook, and Twitter. This is one BIG ego blinded by his own magnificent self. Yet, even a cheap pop culture website like Wikipedia considers him too unworthy for coverage.

The Healing Metaphors can be still be viewed on the Wayback Machine. In spite of later efforts to erase it from public view, as well as eliminate Spezzano's connection to it, you can still read it here--

http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm)

In my earlier coverage I neglected to include the "Healing Keys." After throwing the victims in the dirt and stomping on them, Spezzano and Ticehurst offered a series of "Healing Keys" to help the potential high-paying customer rally back to life. These "Keys" are also listed in the same webpage above. In many examples the cure is worse than the disease or problem.

Before I highlight these special remedies, I want to point out that their website does state at the bottom margin of the first "Key"--

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Please feel free to quote - Please would you note that it is from "Janie Ticehurst" or Chuck Spezzano" or "Lency Spezzano" as credited and include a link to www.healingkeys.com. Thank you very much!

Here are the "Keys," which I will note are the full responsibility of "Janie Ticehurst" or Chuck Spezzano" or "Lency Spezzano" (this reads like a Boolean argument resulting in badness). So sit back, relax and take a deep breath, but don't clear your mind. Instead, use it.

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Love and Bonding

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind.

Imagine yourself as a baby in your mother’s arms. Feel the light inside of you joining and connecting with the light inside of her. Now feel the light from within her connecting with the light in your father. In the same way, now, feel the light within you connecting and reaching out to the light within everyone around you as you grow into the present time.

You may need to repeat this exercise, especially with those close to you. Continue feeling the light inside of you joining with the light inside everyone who comes to mind until you feel completely peaceful, loving and loved. You can do this exercise until everyone has turned into light.

Now envision the part or parts of yourself physically, and at a mind level, that are experiencing the symptoms of your illness. Also do this with any emotional aspect that you intuitively feel may have led to this illness. Intensify your awareness of this part of yourself.

Feel all the love that you have in your heart and soul, as well as all the love that heaven and those around you want to give. Pour all the love flowing through you into the fearful, guilty or conflicted parts of yourself that led to your illness. As you pour this love into yourself and others, experience how this changes and heals the situation.

This is an excellent exercise to do once a day, focusing on the most traumatic times of your life until they are full of peace and have been re-bonded. In a few days, or when you get to the next stage of growth in your life, another level of re-bonding may be required to heal the same incidents again at a deeper level in this new stage of growth.

Love and Bonding - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

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Choice

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. It's time to make a new choice about your illness.

    You may have a thousand layers of conflict that have brought about a chronic illness. Each choice for health leads you in the right direction. One openhearted, sincere choice could clear many or all of the other mistaken issues.
    What is the new healing choice you want to make?
    Consciously make this choice when you first wake up in the morning, and make it again just before you go to sleep at night. Include this choice at any other time you think about the illness.
    Every choice you make for wellness and healing your illness can help. It is especially helpful to choose to resolve any fear, anger, guilt and conflict you may be experiencing, as these feelings can exacerbate the illness.

Choice 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

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Forgiveness Exercsie [sic]

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind.

Realize there is a grievance at the root of every problem, and using your intuition and trusting the first answer that pops into your head, ask yourself:

If I were to know who it is that I have a grievance against, it’s probably _________________.

Picture this person standing in front of you.

Ask for help from your higher mind. Recognize that you have used this grievance to hold your whole life back. Now choose not to use this person as a way to hold yourself back. Choose this situation to become a place of peace instead of grievance.

Ask for the gift of forgiveness to fill you. Now, specifically ask for forgiveness for this person to fill your heart and, when this is complete, feel the energy of forgiveness flowing from your heart to theirs. Ask your higher mind to help with this flow. If the new situation does not feel completely joyful, repeat the last part of the exercise. Through willingness, each time you practice this exercise you will make it and yourself better.

Forgiveness 2 - More information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005


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Gifts

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Reflect quietly on your illness. Feel into it and ask yourself what gifts are hidden underneath it.

Take some time to reflect upon what the main gifts might be. If nothing comes to you, set your intention for the answer to become clear in your dreams or to somehow show itself metaphorically during the day.

If you keep your intention on this, and really want it, then it will be revealed to you. Examine how your illness is a defense and a distraction from receiving these gifts.

Ask yourself the following questions using your intuition, trusting the first answer that pops into your head:

    What is the main gift that your illness is meant to defend against ?
    Why have you been afraid of this gift ?
    Imagine yourself energetically embracing and embodying this gift.
    Who needs this gift from you?
    As this person comes to your mind, feel yourself sharing this gift with them from your heart to their heart.

Repeat this with each gift that comes into your mind. Giving the gifts that your illness is hiding will reinforce your awareness of your gifts. As your need for the illness as a defense disappears, so will the illness, and you will be free.

Gifts 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005


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Grace

Relax and take a deep breath. It is time to allow grace into your life and as a healing agent for your illness. Sit quietly and clear your mind of everything except your illness.

Ask your higher mind for help here and now and ask that grace be poured into your fear and the conflicts generating it. Feel the healing energy of grace as it touches the roots of your illness. Grace will come to you as you ask for it.

Ask for it to fill you. Welcome this healing energy and fill your life and relationships with it. Feel your emotional burdens and your illness melting away in the love and light of grace.

Grace 2 - More information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

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Integration


Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Realize that when you have an illness, some hidden part of your mind wanted it to occur. Answer the following questions using your intuition, trusting the first answer that pops into your head:

    How many selves have been generating the conflict that caused the illness?
    How many parts of your mind actually wanted this illness?
    On how many levels are these conflicts and self-destructive parts occurring?
    No matter how many pieces or layers there are, feel the energy of each side of the conflict gravitate to one or the other of your hands. As you visualize all the conflicting pieces in each hand, ask yourself: What do they look like? What color(s) are they? What shape(s) are they? What do they smell like? What texture are they? How heavy are they? What sound do they make? Really feel the energy of each side of this conflict in each of your hands.
    Melt all these pieces and layers into a golden, white energy, the basic building block of the universe.

Now, gradually bring your hands together, joining the energy. As your hands come together and your fingers interlock, the energy may combine itself into a new healing symbol or may remain as this golden, white energy.

This will always occur unless the next layer of conflict comes up. You can always integrate anything dark or negative into your higher mind and the light of your spirit. If dark feelings or symbols keep coming to the surface, you have the opportunity to clear a great deal of what’s been holding you back.

Integration 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

The next one is a good argument for letting go of POV and getting a real life again--

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Letting Go

 Letting go is a very powerful healing principle. Underneath every illness lies an attachment, and the extent of the illness is the extent to which we are holding on. We have a need that we think will be fulfilled by maintaining an attachment to something from the past that we feel is now missing in our life.

We try to get this need met by holding on, even though what we are holding onto may no longer exist. Our need for the thing that we are holding onto may grow into an indulgence, from there to an addiction and finally into an idol, which we think will save us and make us happy.

Subconsciously, we believe that somehow our attachment will meet our needs; however, it is the act of holding on, and the fantasy that accompanies it, that keeps us from moving forward. Our ability to receive is blocked by the levels of need, demand and expectation that are a part of any act of holding on. Our holding on, and its self-defeating tactics, keep us stagnant and point us in a death direction.

Willingness to find what we are holding onto and let it go allows us to become free and enables us to move forward. As we let go of whatever illusion or fantasy we have held onto, we move back into the flow of life. Paradoxically, having let go, we become open and able to receive.

Letting go of the attachment causing our problems in health can heal us and move us into the next stage of our life. When our heart refuses to move on, our attachment holds us back in our life. Holding on keeps us bound to where we were and ties up our energy, turning us away from availability and life. The principle of letting go is that whenever we truly let go, something better will come to take its place and will move us forward in a whole new way.

Here is a powerful Letting Go Exercise
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from 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

A repeat of "Bonding," I think
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Love and Bonding

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind.

Imagine yourself as a baby in your mother’s arms. Feel the light inside of you joining and connecting with the light inside of her. Now feel the light from within her connecting with the light in your father. In the same way, now, feel the light within you connecting and reaching out to the light within everyone around you as you grow into the present time.

You may need to repeat this exercise, especially with those close to you. Continue feeling the light inside of you joining with the light inside everyone who comes to mind until you feel completely peaceful, loving and loved. You can do this exercise until everyone has turned into light.

Now envision the part or parts of yourself physically, and at a mind level, that are experiencing the symptoms of your illness. Also do this with any emotional aspect that you intuitively feel may have led to this illness. Intensify your awareness of this part of yourself.

Feel all the love that you have in your heart and soul, as well as all the love that heaven and those around you want to give. Pour all the love flowing through you into the fearful, guilty or conflicted parts of yourself that led to your illness. As you pour this love into yourself and others, experience how this changes and heals the situation.

This is an excellent exercise to do once a day, focusing on the most traumatic times of your life until they are full of peace and have been re-bonded. In a few days, or when you get to the next stage of growth in your life, another level of re-bonding may be required to heal the same incidents again at a deeper level in this new stage of growth.

Love and Bonding - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

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Purpose

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Then answer the following questions using your intuition, trusting the first answer that pops into your head:

    Your illness is a distraction from your purpose. It is a way of stopping you from leaping forward in vision to see what it is you are called to give. What percentage would you guess that your illness is keeping you from your purpose or its next level?
    It’s time to change your life-direction away from the distraction of illness and toward your purpose. If you feel that you are already living your purpose, there is obviously more that you are called upon to do and have done through you.
    Commit to your purpose. If you want to know and live your purpose with your whole heart, you will. But if the illusion of fear is greater than your desire, you will not succeed. Ask that the fear be removed. Choose to know and live your purpose, because you will know yourself and your happiness, as you step up to keep the promises your soul made for this life.

Ask for help and grace to complete your purpose. Fear of our purpose comes from thinking we have to do it all ourselves. In truth, when our purpose is accomplished, it will have been done through us by grace.

Purpose 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

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Trust

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Allow yourself to realize that trust is the power and investment of your mind. It has to be given either to fear or to success.

Choose to give it to success. Feel, see and sense everything turning out well. Feel, see, sense and hear a new and happier future turning out for you. Open yourself to healing with a new confidence, knowing that healing can and will occur.

Move through any fear or negative emotion by choice and will, until you can feel a great faith in your own healing. Do this until the thought, feeling and confidence of a positive outcome opens up.

As your trust increases, so will your openness to love, grace and healing. As this place of trust grows from within, you will begin to feel the increased certainty of healing.

Every time you think of your problem, know that you have a choice in how you invest your mind. Do you want success and health, or illness?

In the time to come, whenever you think of your situation put your trust in yourself and in the situation. Invest your mind wisely as it creates your reality.

Trust 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

As far as the following goes, I'd suggest to Charles Lee Spezzano, with his non-APA accredited Ph. D., "Doctor, heal thyself"--

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Truth Exercise

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Allow yourself to realize that it’s time to commit to the truth, and specifically to the truth of having good health in your life.

Ask that the truth about your life and the untruth about your illness be revealed to you. When your desire for the truth becomes greater than your fear and attachments, the truth will reveal itself to you and liberate you.

Invoke the truth when there is anything other than excellent health in your life. Desire the truth as an easy way through any problem.

Truth 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

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Understanding

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Use your intuition to explore your illness.

First of all, look for negative emotions or unfairness in the situation around you. Negative emotions are signs of misunderstanding. When this occurs it will eat away at you and generate problems, which can be health problems.

The principle is this: where there is pain there is misperception; where there is misperception there is misunderstanding.

Examine your life , both past and present. If something hurts, even if it was the past, you have brought the pain and misunderstanding into the present.

Go back two years before the onset of your illness and makes a list of all the painful situations in your life that occurred between that point and the present.

Next to each situation write what the emotional pain was, and also the misconception and misunderstanding that you made (you should have three columns: ‘Situation’, ‘Emotional Pain’ and ‘Misperception and Misunderstanding’).

Later you may wish to make another list of all the significant misunderstandings and painful experiences in your whole life.

While this may take a little study, it is very worthwhile. Learning to think in this way can save you years of pain where, from a position of righteousness, you might have felt that someone caused you pain or aggravation.

If you feel bad, then you are responsible, because you have misperceived and misunderstood.

Next, ask yourself how the situation, pain and misperceptions serve you.

    What self-image are you using this to re-enforce?
    What does it allow you to do?
    What is it you don’t have to do?
    What are you using it to hide from?
    Who are you attacking with this self-image?
    When you attack yourself with this self-image, how much narcissism and spitefulness is there in it?
    What excuse does this self-image give you?

As your understanding develops, you may begin to realize the extent to which you have been using emotional pain as a defense, especially against fear.

Once you realize that emotional pain is part-and-parcel of an ego strategy, mistake or misunderstanding, you can begin to understand the situation and make another choice.

Ask yourself the following questions about the disease itself, and the misunderstanding beneath it, trusting the answers that spontaneously come into your mind:

    With whom do you have the misunderstanding that needs to be healed?
    What is the misunderstanding about?
    How have you used the misunderstanding?
    What purpose does it serve for you?

Allow the energy of your understanding to fill you. Build a bridge of love and connection to the person with whom you have the misunderstanding, instead of using them for some purpose that can only hold you back.

Build bridge after bridge until you feel love and bonding completely restored. Ask your higher mind to give you understanding. You will know when this occurs by the peace, compassion and self-value you will feel.

Understanding 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

Look into my right eye. Look into my right eye. Look into my right eye. Look into my right eye.
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Willingness

Relax and take a deep breath. Clear your mind. Sit quietly and relax. Feel all the stress melting out of you, down through you out of your feet and into the floor.

When this feels complete, ask for heaven’s help to bring you into a new level of willingness today. This willingness will open you up to whatever form of healing wants to come to you.

It is time to be willing to take whatever steps you need in order for healing to occur. If this feels difficult, or if you feel resistant, then just choose to be willing to be willing.

Willingness will open up layers of your mind or emotional aspects of your illness for healing. Willingness moves you quickly through this territory because you no longer use it to hold yourself back. The greater the willingness, the bigger the leap forward you can take.

Willingness 2 - More Information

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

For some reason this has all been hidden from public view. Gosh, I can't imagine why. It is so profound!

Hey, did I just see a crowd of eyes rolling?


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 11, 2014, 12:33:31 pm
POV has lost a lot of trainers in the last few years. You don't have to go too far back in time to discover a list of trainers that numbered well over 70. Now they are down to 52. That is considerable license fee revenue lost for the Spezzano & Associates bank account.

There are many indicators out there that being part of the Spezzano & Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision corporate bureaucracy is not all that rewarding, but this relatively sudden drop in trainer numbers is pretty dramatic. The question is-- why?

Just as SALPOV has attempted to erase all online mention or connection to one of their "greatest inspirations" Oneness University, so too have some former trainers tried to distance themselves from any connection with SALPOV.

My favorite subtle sleight of hand came from the former trainer who is in the attachments here. Compare the profiles, particularly the "now you see it, now you don't" final sentence. I believe she changed this around the start of of 2014.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on April 12, 2014, 02:07:57 pm
Lenora's Ripoff pt. 5

Notice that even in cases of congenital disorders the victim is still to blame.



To me it seems in frauds practice the guilt and to be guilty got another - very harming - meaning. These people (victims) are not just simply guilty. There is more to it than meets the eye.

Just some thoughts:
"Transmitted Blame": People are guilty for a guilt they should not to be blamed - ideally - by a guilt caused by bloodline, ancestors, families, gene, prior - lives, deseases, etc.; pleaded guilty as criminal charged and sentenced to live this life: They have to bear the blame.
They could not prevent it, could not help it but they are guilty.

"True guilt": They are also be blamed for the way of life they really live(d), for their acts, emotions, thoughts and words, and for some deseases.

"False guilt": They are also be blamed for things, situations they are not guilty for, but other people, offender, told them so again and again until they believe it, they got to believe it. Sometimes there was no other way to survive this situation - no matter if their feelings told them there was something happened was definitly not right, maybe they breaked this feeling down, the truth hurts too much and they cannot survive this knowledge.
If frauds tell victims they should forgive their offender, thus frauds can confirm the guilt of the victims, force them to feel guilty and be ashamed of what happened without clearifing the situation. The way alike often the offender did / do it, offender will be much obliged for the frauds work.


Guilt and shame feel unpleasant, maybe victims ask those frauds: "Please, put this experience in my life away, make this all undone."
Certainly some frauds know that this wish is impossible, but they find a way, these victims learn to live with a temporary dissociated guilt: The guilt vanishes untill something happens like a trigger and the guilt delivers again from the subconscious to the conscious what was concealed. Frauds can abuse this facts to drive the people in a devil´s circle of guilt, shame and fraudulant therapies.

If the victims are denied and too confused to explain the blame, they cannot comprehend why they feel guilty and be ashamed in the context of their life and circumstances, cannot identify of which experiences they are guilty, which share they got and which not. There is no way to walk for heal.


This suits some people:
Victims live in an inconsistent life of different forms of guilt and shame and they are not able to help it on their own.
They are in a dependency, can not control and - be often blinded - they are at the mercy of frauds by their helplessness. And they are alone, in a frauds circle which screens the life from outside, reflection becomes more and more difficult, sometimes impossible.
Guilt and shame become a power tool and can be abused by frauds again and again, push victims in a devil´s circle and confirm the guilt.
Those who are really guilty for a victim´s blame, for e. g. offender, deliver the guilt, proceed as usual, maybe they tell the victims "you have deserved to be guilty and got to be punished." Offender become judge and execitioner. Frauds and offender can avail each other.

Victims got to live in a inconsistent antagonism with a constructed meaning behind, charged lies hold up the fraudulant construct.
The "transmitted blame" could make it generally possible to dissociate easier for the victims, the genuine feeling for a real directed relationship to the blame is missed. But on the other hand they cannot refuse what they cannot identify. Caught in a interspace, and no feet on the ground.
The events in which they are really guilty ("true guilt") are likely to trigger the feeling of guilt and shame, which hold up the presence of the wholeness of guilt and shame in general. This can be misused in false contexts. Thus, victims are tangible and vulnerable. There is no way for victims to learn to live with their guilt.
The "false guilt" can be used to confirm the guilt of a victim, their feeling to be harmed by the blame and shame.

This kinky mix-context of lies, half-truths and truths in the context of the different forms of guilt is often difficult to disentangle for the victims.
To be true victims should not differentiate and solve the different forms of blame, this would be counterproductive for fraudsters work. And victims themselves are to often not able to refuse their loyalty to the helping person (fraud), wether he harms the victim.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 12, 2014, 11:24:56 pm
Charles Lee Spezzano's upcoming hourly rate for private consulting during his UK visit just went up from £675 to £700. Until last December the website said "His fee is $1000 USD per hourly session" and then converted to the £675 (over $1100 USD) amount. I find it interesting the advertised fee changed from dollars to pounds.

So in just a few months his rate went up almost $200 USD. Imagine the size of the ego and self-delusion of the person allowing the marketing of themselves at this fee. As vainglorious as Custer.

http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250 (http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250)

http://web.archive.org/web/20120712103525/http://www.povevents.com/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20120712103525/http://www.povevents.com/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/)



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 13, 2014, 12:10:07 am
Jeremy Marchant of Emotional Intelligence at Work, a UK business consulting enterprise, has this data included in his biography--

Quote
"He learnt the practical application of emotional intelligence from Psychology of Vision.  He assisted with the development of the PoV UK Fundamentals of success programme for businesses and he is accredited by them to deliver this programme. He has completed the PoV Steps to leadership programme and over one hundred days of PoV workshops."

http://www.emotionalintelligenceatwork.com/jeremy-marchant/#.U0nQuld7Tpc (http://www.emotionalintelligenceatwork.com/jeremy-marchant/#.U0nQuld7Tpc)

There was another part of this website called "Our Use of Psychology of Vision" which was still there a couple months ago, but now it seems to have vanished. It had a photograph of Charles Lee Spezzano taken when he was much younger, and included this somewhat revealing description--

Quote
"A primary source of emotional intelligence at work‘s EI material is based on Psychology of Vision, as developed by Chuck Spezzano.  This takes a largely mainstream post-Freudian approach [see, for example, Eric Berne, A layman’s guide to psychiatry and psychoanalysis] and elaborates it with extensive borrowings from other sources of which Carl Jung, NLP and transactional analysis are the most obvious.  Chuck’s genius is to keep the complexity but hide it from the client (unless the client is interested in it) so as to provide a powerful transformational approach."

As of right now, this link is dead. Cannot say if it was taken down on purpose or not--

http://www.emotionalintelligenceatwork.com/resources/our-use-of-psychology-of-vision/#.UnGgheKzLpe
 (http://www.emotionalintelligenceatwork.com/resources/our-use-of-psychology-of-vision/#.UnGgheKzLpe)

This quote is an illuminating and unique observation on Spezzano's methods by a POV cult member.




Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on April 13, 2014, 10:01:34 am

Well, in the context tells that much, and this does not support their work at POV;
if POV uses just some aspects and they adulterate the original therapies, the results can be terrible for some .

Psychoanalysis is being discussed controversial, some supporters deny any changes in the Freudian therapy, others modify it.
However, everybody should be aware very keenly that this "going back to childhood experiences" could be dangerous, the patient maybe had to confrontate harmed experiences, maybe he cannot stand by, they overwhelm him and under which he may collapse. In traumapsychotherapy there is the realization that psychoanalysis is very often contraindicated, rightly.

NLP, Neurolingiustisches Programm = neurolinguistic programm), people say you can use this for better communication, but it is also abused for brainwashing, it sometimes also be combined with hypnosistherapy or parts of hypnosistherapy, for e. g. "NLP Hypno coach." But know very few about NLP.

Aspects from Transactional analysis I know by behavioral therapy. It is a long way for people to learn step by step to find out, why they got their behavior, which emotions and reactions appear and why. They try to understand themselves and they search on their own for a better way to live. This is not easy, do not feels always well.


http://www.dgta.de/pdf/TA-Definitionen.pdf about Transactional analysis, translated:

"Transactional analysis (TA) were founded by the American psychiatrist Eric Berne and today it is enriched, modified and further developed worldwide.

The TA provides theoretically established consistently very philosophical , psychological concepts to live near people with respect to themselves and others with their experienced reflected reality, to anlyze and modify if necessary. TA integrates ideas from the depth psychology, Gestalt theory, behavioral therapy and from systemic approaches.

Specifically defined transactional analysis is a qualified dealing with the of realities through communication. Therefor are relational aspects in the foreground and the gestalt / shape of encounters. The use of transactional analysis concepts got his aims to make life meaningful and joyful and to cooperate equal with each other.
This is done to the satisfaction of Transactional Analysts mainly through the promotion and development of autonomy as self-directed , spontaneous and to be able to  apply oneselves expression in and around the world.
"



only german
http://www.fresh-academy.de/nlp/?

gclid=CMnr8r3r3L0CFRCWtAodmyMAlQ
http://nlpportal.org/nlpedia/wiki/Hypnose

http://nlpportal.org/main/links
with some links for english literature and texts

german and english
http://www.xing.com/net/mindxcel
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 15, 2014, 12:12:54 pm
The attached snip speaks for itself--
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 18, 2014, 04:33:12 am
Although Charles Lee Spezzano includes business consultant advice among his services, his own Spezzano & Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision is not exactly a shining example of a thriving organisation. In fact it appears to be experiencing shrinkage, with limited prospects for the future. The Canadian First Nations experience is their weakest area and perhaps an indicator of what the future holds for SALPOV. It is also likely to be the next place where SALPOV will be openly investigated by law enforcement, especially given the targeting behaviour which was codified in the German version of the POV Trainers Manual, covered in this forum by Ingeborg.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673)

Naturally, that manual was quickly taken offline after it was translated here into English. But I expect the RCMP has read it by now as well as several investigative journalists. If not, we still have it available for your enjoyment.

If you look in past versions of the SALPOV website you'll find they had many more trainers than today, and nowhere is the decline in numbers more dramatic than in Canada. SALPOV also had more central administrators: Hawaii Business Co-ordinator (Peggy Chang), Business Manager (Ian Haugh), and Public Relations (Susan How)

http://web.archive.org/web/20030801100100/http://www.psychologyofvision.com/contact.htm
 (http://web.archive.org/web/20030801100100/http://www.psychologyofvision.com/contact.htm)

In his LinkedIn, Ian Haugh still lists his SALPOV employment as "Chief Executive, Spezzano & Associates (Psychology of Vision), September 2001 – June 2008 (6 years 10 months)" and "CEO & Trainer, Psychology of Vision UK, Privately Held; 1-10 employees; Alternative Medicine industry, 2000 – 2007 (7 years)."

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/ian-haugh/6/477/543  (http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/ian-haugh/6/477/543)

However, in my mind, the President of Spezzano & Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision is the real CEO. And that person has always been Charles Lee Spezzano. There is no way the Spezzanos are going to relinquish total control of SALPOV. This has hurt them. A true thriving business does not disempower the employees, instead it trusts them to do well. In a paradox, letting go of power actually increases your ability to influence. The Spezzanos have not learned this.

One has to wonder about the alternative universe version of this cult's development if the top two had trusted other people more-- if the Spezzanos had allowed themselves to be handled by true professional publicists how much farther they would be today. I doubt even Lynne Franks would have allowed Lenora Kay Spezzano to release those obviously scammy "joining" YouTubes, which are becoming a laughing stock at parties around here. Or for Charles to release those corny YouTubes one critic has called "The Chuckster the Huckster Show." Instead of Lenora going overboard with misleading rationalisations on Ripoff Report and Charles making such self-destructive statements for APTN Investigates, they could have employed a real professional to supply superb doubletalk. Who knows, maybe a seasoned spokesperson could have reined in some of the damaging Facebook comments by peripheral characters in this drama like Julian Ticehurst and young Christopher Spezzano.

In the old websites, SALPOV was expanding. There was the Gaia-Mind website http://web.archive.org/web/20030618094424/http://www.gaia-mind.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20030618094424/http://www.gaia-mind.com/) and, unlike today, a very open embrace of Charles Lee Spezzano with the "Healing Metaphors," which he co-authored with Janie Patrick/Ticehurst, complete with the SALPOV logo stamp of approval http://web.archive.org/web/20030805174005/http://healingadventure.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20030805174005/http://healingadventure.com/)  . It seems today this is hidden under a rock since it has proven to be somewhat embarrassing, even to other trainers. Another example of retreat and shrinkage.

During the highwater point for SALPOV they had an active forum the public could read http://web.archive.org/web/20090105194235/http://www.psychologyofvision-forum.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20090105194235/http://www.psychologyofvision-forum.com/) -- This feature was discontinued, perhaps due to Facebook. Recently SALPOV used the expensive non-transparent commercial product Comindwork as a cloudtool for communicating official transactions. What is striking about the early forums is how many of the participants in there are still involved with SALPOV today in one way or another and how few new trainers have been recruited.

But the biggest difference I see in looking over these earlier SALPOV websites is how the language has changed. The Spezzanos attended Oneness University in India in 2007 and later counted it as one of their two "greatest inspirations." After that point words like "deeksha" and "oneness" and "oneness blessing" began to crop up. Oneness University was praised for several years on SALPOV websites and the philosophy of this institution was incorporated into SALPOV teachings. The "Card for the Day" issued by Charles Lee Spezzano honoring the founders of Oneness University on August 29, 2010 read--

Quote
AMMA AND BHAGAVAN is the card for today. These are enlightened avatars in INDIA and they signal your friends in high places whatever your beliefs. In writings around A COURSE IN MIRACLES it states that their [sic] are more masters on the earth right now for the 'celestial speedup' and the opportunity we have to leap to a new level of consciousness that is interdependent instead of independent.
 Let us be thankful for all the work and grace these masters bring us and how they model a higher way. The growth of spirituality with its incumbent love and joy will rise as we learn the mutuality of interdependence. Let us be open to the work these older brothers and sisters from all over the world are providing for us.
Posted 29th August 2010 by Chuck Spezzano

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2010/08/amma-and-bhagavan.html
 (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2010/08/amma-and-bhagavan.html)

Even to this day, a First Nations administrator named Babs Stevens who is aiding the Spezzanos in their profit-driven ethnocide of Haida Gwaii lists herself as a "Oneness Blessing Giver" in her LinkedIn profile and on Twitter as a "Oneness Blessing (Deeksha) Giver."

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/babs-stevens/20/ba6/30
 (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/babs-stevens/20/ba6/30)

https://twitter.com/babsstevens (https://twitter.com/babsstevens)

Check these out too for Oneness U. influence--

https://www.gwaiitrust.com/AGM_2010.2011/HH_2010.2011/HH_Nygystle_Application_Dec_1_2010.pdf (https://www.gwaiitrust.com/AGM_2010.2011/HH_2010.2011/HH_Nygystle_Application_Dec_1_2010.pdf)

https://www.facebook.com/events/218148471551173/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/218148471551173/)

Around the start of this year SALPOV went on a bender attempting to remove all online trace of the Spezzano connection to Oneness University (obviously they missed the above reference), apparently in response to catch up to a claim made unofficially by Christopher Spezzano--

Quote
"My parents also have NO affiliation whatsoever with Oneness University. They and some of their students attended some of their courses a number of years ago, but were shocked and disgusted to learn about some of their practices. My mom actually spearheaded a campaign to learn and expose the truth about Oneness University. My parents do not support their practices, community, or methods. They have wanted nothing to do with that organization once they had an opportunity to learn more about them. They adamantly steer people away from that organization, their practices, and beliefs. They would NOT want their students to be affiliated with that organization in any capacity. You and your so-called 'researchers' need to get your facts straight."

"Doing your homework" and "getting your facts straight" is a Spezzano hallmark reaction, as well as calling any criticism "libel," "defaming," and "character assassination." After Christopher Spezzano's Facebook comments, a mad rush was made to erase all mention of OU on SALPOV websites, even the Oneness University listing on Charles Lee Spezzano's LinkedIn vanished. When Christopher's comments were posted on this forum awhile back Ingeborg commented Lenora's anti-Oneness University efforts must have been a covert operation, since there is nothing online to support this claim. But there is plenty of evidence SALPOV endorsed Oneness University long after 2007, clear up to 2014 in fact. If these online worshipping comments remained up online in error, then it does not speak well as a business model in terms of SALPOV's ability to communicate, does it?

SALPOV is still teaching philosophy and using semantics taken from their Oneness University experience. In an ethical business, once a flaw is discovered in the product, the consumers are alerted and a recall is issued. But in the Spezzano case, Oneness University was simply erased from their history as if it didn't exist. No formal statement has been given. For a group that uses the term "transparency" so much in their manual, they don't seem to exercise it.

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

If I were a SALPOV client or trainer I would ask for a rebate. If Christopher Spezzano is right, then his parents are teaching something they don't even believe. This makes them scam artists.

The Spezzanos need to issue official statements on the German POV Trainers Manual coverage of the First Nations Fund and the Swiss bank account, the Healing Metaphors cover-up, the 2004 Hawaii fine for Charles impersonating a professional psychologist, the deletion of Oneness University from their history, the false advertising of Charles as a psychologist, and how they are going to repair the damage they have created on Haida Gwaii. Instead, my guess is that they will simply shrivel up and count their money.

After the APTN Investigates piece, Lenora announced 2014 was her final year of international touring. Charles is not getting younger and as the law and press closes in he'll probably fold up soon. This is a personality-driven cult and since the Spezzanos have not groomed any obvious replacements, I see a dead-end future for this business enterprise. They are now a damaged brand.

As the tough economy keeps chugging on, young people want authentic training and academic/vocational degrees that will give them a job. SALPOV, as a fringe cult, is not going to give them that. Having SALPOV on your list of credentials is worthless. Comparing it to Harvard as Christopher Spezzano did, is ridiculous. It has no value. It has no future. Even as a vehicle to fill the Spezzano bank account it appears to be faltering. Maybe there is hope for the world after all.

























 



 

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on April 18, 2014, 05:51:57 pm
Chuck Spezzano will visit Burg Rothenfels and held workshops in english with german translation

http://www.frankfurter-ring.de/index.php?id=6&kid=10305&gclid=CJm

Sometimes he is mentioned with the title "Dr. der Psychologie", but this titel seems directly translated from english into german. In germany Dr.der Psychologie" is an accredited degree and it is not allowed to use this titel when you are not a psychoplogist.
I think the title of Speezona should not be translated in this way because it implys to german people a false profession.

German page:
http://www.pov-int.eu/uber-uns/chuck-und-lency-spezzano/
Der Bestseller-Autor Chuck Spezzano ist Doktor der Psychologie
engl.:The best-selling author Chuck Spezzano is a doctor of psychology
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 19, 2014, 03:50:24 am
Speaking as a former member of the faculty in a respected research university, I would say Spezzano's weak academic resume would not earn him an interview in the institution where I was employed. At the time he was given his Ph. D. (which was not even in clinical psychology), his school was not accredited by the APA. Plus, his 2004 Hawaii fine for impersonating a psychologist in a case that resulted in an unfortunate suicide has never been fully explained in SALPOV literature. That alone would kill any chance he had in the world of real professionals.

Yet, Spezzano has allowed himself to be touted on a POV website as "one of the world’s leading psychologists" in marketing his 2014 UK visit, where he'll also be charging almost $1200 USD per hour for personal consultations. This man has no shame. He has earned his place here on this forum as a total fraud. We can only hope Scotland Yard is paying attention while he is in the UK.   

http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250 (http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250)

http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250 (http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250)

Another entry in the long list of lies from SALPOV.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 21, 2014, 04:06:13 am
This is a sad case I am about to relate since it demonstrates the desperate lengths people in pain will go to in order to find relief and how scam artists are just waiting to pluck them up. Ever notice in most biographies of SALPOV trainers how they were in some state of despair/unease/pain with their lives spiraling downward and out control at the time they joined up with this cult? Or they lacked direction and needed to be told what to do? Or they were just plain needy? No one in a moderate state of mind based in reality would even consider handing over thousands of dollars to these obvious dodgy confidence tricksters. Only the vulnerable get on board.

Marianne and Michael Vermilyea of Vancouver BC were SALPOV trainers at some time in the recent past, but both are now out that status. Marianne however remains connected as a staff member, helping Susan How coordinate events, if the SALPOV Canada website can be believed.

Marianne, unfortunately, suffers from Macular Degeneration, a not very fun disease of the eyes. I wish her the best in having this condition healed.

According to the co-authored Charles Lee Spezzano (with "RN" Janie Ticehurst, or, Janie Patrick) "Healing Metaphors," Marianne has this disease for a reason--

Quote
Macular Degeneration

Macular degeneration is a breakdown of cells in the eye resulting in loss of central vision in the affected eye, while peripheral vision remains unaffected.

This condition represents the way in which we are missing what is obvious, in front of our nose, and central to our life.

Suggested Healing Keys:

Purpose
Truth
Grace

OR

Choose from List of Healing Keys:

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

http://web.archive.org/web/20130606035534/http://www.healingkeys.com/Metaphor/MacularDegeneration.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20130606035534/http://www.healingkeys.com/Metaphor/MacularDegeneration.htm)

In short, Spezzano says Marianne has this problem as a result of her own doing. I guess that even though she had attained SALPOV trainer status it was not enough to save her from this malady.

Charles Lee Spezzano told us in a YouTube he worked with people who defeated cancer and AIDS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc) , so why hasn't he saved Marianne using the "Healing Keys"?

Evidently Marianne bypassed the SALPOV method and moved to another "spiritual healer" who the Spezzanos can only observe from afar and salivate at his profit margin with envy, Dr. and Master Zhi Gang Sha--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=514nbM4nT6w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=514nbM4nT6w)

What is that Sha has and the Spezzanos don't? Passion. Charisma. A true sense of show business. The SALPOV machine has grown tired, weary, outdated, using phrases that have been behind the curve for several years. Their YouTubes are corny and have gained an audience who view them only to laugh. They had it so easy for so long. They are in a commercial money making machine dead zone, victims of habitual thinking. But now the waters grow rougher and they can't bail out the boat fast enough as they sink.

I am guessing Marianne has consulted professionals on her condition and it has not generated the results she desires. I find it fascinating that rather than lean on SALPOV for a solution she jumped the fence to another "spiritual healer." So much for the "Healing Metaphors." Even a SALPOV insider needs to go to a competitor for help.

Given the widespread condition of cancer which has an impact on almost every family in North America at some time or another, it astounds me that SALPOV followers still accept this exceptionally destructive and ignorant description of people who suffer from this disease. I regard the following statement as almost genocidal, as in, "these people are weak, they deserve what they get"--

Quote
Cancer

Cancer involves the transformation of healthy functioning cells into malignant, or harmful, cells. The altered cells transfer faulty information to their offspring, and the cancerous cells grow in an abnormal and destructive way.

Cancer is the embodiment of self-directed anger. It reflects a place of guilt and self-attack.

A traumatic situation with a significant other will have taken place between six and eighteen months before the onset of the cancer.

At some level, it is an attack on another through self-harm. It highlights that we have a need to give that has gone wild, or is completely misplaced, in addition to a fear of our purpose.

Cancer reflects a fear of the next chapter in our life and a fear of major or radical change for the better.

Tumors encapsulate our repressed anger, malice and conflicting, hidden belief systems.

We are trying to shelter our pain or disappointment and are attempting to hold back negative self-beliefs and evil self-concepts. These mistaken beliefs and self-concepts stem from unresolved emotional fractures and broken hearts.

We can get more information about our particular cancer by cross-referencing the information in this section with the body part affected.

For example, if we have cancer of the stomach then we know that our anger is also about our ability to accept, integrate, receive and be nurtured. It may also reflect aspects of introjection, (swallowing others emotional pain).

Suggested Healing Keys:

Purpose
Truth
Grace

OR

Choose from List of Healing Keys:

From 'Healing the Body Through Mind and Metaphor'
© Chuck Spezzano and Janie Ticehurst 2005

As described earlier on this forum, the American Cancer Society very neatly negated this specific absurd and sadistic Spezzano/Ticehurst premise. When I read the above statement, and many of the other Spezzano metaphors I can't help but feel these views either sprout from a very Catholic sense of guilt, or from an enthusiasm for the concept of Eugenics. Either way, this central core of SALPOV theology is not a positive or healing philosophy. It is all about making the follower weaker so the Spezzanos can jump in as surrogate parents, "saving" the client while emptying their finances. I do not understand how anyone can lose a loved one to cancer and still accept the above condemnation of the victim by a total fraud. If you are a SALPOV cult follower who has lost a loved one to cancer, and if you still allow the above description to define that person, you have sold your soul to the Spezzano bank account. And I feel sorry for you. You are indeed a member of a cult.

Think I'm wrong about the "surrogate parents" idea? Read the POV Trainers Manual before you judge--

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf
 (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Trainer_Manual_2011_English.pdf)

The RCMP and the College of Registered Nurses of British Columbia is reading this, I hope. 



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on April 24, 2014, 11:54:49 am
The "Healing Idols" card pack by Charles Lee Spezzano should be his next forthcoming "Tarot-lite" effort. In his LinkedIn profile (the same one where his 2007 attendance at Oneness University mysteriously vanished), Spezzano lists this as his current literary project--

Quote
Chuck Spezzano's Projects

    Healing Idols Deck
    Team Members: Chuck Spezzano

    New Card Deck looking at the idols that distract us from our True Selves

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-spezzano/21/4a7/396 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-spezzano/21/4a7/396)

This is from the August 2, 2012 Spezzano blog--

Quote
Idols are both some of the most common and at the same time some of the deepest traps. Idols are the false gods we worship depending on them to make us happy and save us but they can be bitterly disappointing so it seemed a great issue to shine some light on

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2012/08/it-turned-out-to-be.html (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2012/08/it-turned-out-to-be.html)

Of course this deck would not be complete without a card about Charles the Idol himself, right? And I'm sure he'll supply that. And shadow rebels exist, and astral attacks are real, and Lency's "downloading" is genuine, and Haida Gwaii is experiencing a cultural Renaissance thanks to SALPOV, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime.

I wonder if the impending release of this for-profit Spezzano work is one reason it suddenly became so important to bury the Spezzano/Ticehurst "Healing Metaphors" from public view? Perhaps the latter mentioned work existing online would hurt the sales of the former? Just a thought, probably off the mark. I'd like to provide a link to the astoundingly misanthropic work at the core of Psychology of Vision's theology, where the victim is always to blame, even for birth defects--

but as it so happens the Metaphors which were available thanks to the Internet Archive have been (big surprise) removed just in the last 48 hours!

http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20130915052756/http://healingkeys.com/MetaphorAtoZ.htm)

Oh, what a shock, yet another of the many rather messy and inconvenient historical Spezzano truths have been censored from public inspection. But what about the "transparency" so touted in the POV Trainers Manual? Fortunately, the most important nuggets of the Charles Lee Spezzano "Healing Metaphors" have been documented on this forum. So when his "Healing Idols" deck is published, critically minded reviewers can consult this "Healing Metaphors" foundation of SALPOV theology on NAFPS as a foil for the nonsense Spezzano is sure to pontificate in the card deck. We are performing a public consumer protection service.

Just joining us? Here's a slice of the "Healing Metaphors" just so you get an idea--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37041#msg37041 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37041#msg37041)

These official "Metaphors" are still available if you are anointed by the cult. I have not seen what they look like since they have run away into a protected zone, safe from public scrutiny, like frightened entitled people fleeing into a gated community so they won't be contaminated by (shudder) "ideas." I'd be curious about a few things behind that Iron Curtain. Is Spezzano's name still associated with them? Are there still metaphors for cancer or down's syndrome? Is there a stated reason back there why they are hiding from the world? Is this how SALPOV trains its followers to respond to criticism?

http://www.thebodyrelationship.com/ (http://www.thebodyrelationship.com/)

In SALPOV there are three main dogmatic supports holding up this sagging cult. First, the "Healing Metaphors" really spell out just how SALPOV view their clients in contempt and make them crawl for help. I would propose the vulnerable are kept that way until they are financially squeezed dry. This essential part of their theology is currently under a purge from public view. Second, their one of "two greatest inspirations," Oneness University-- like the first example, this has proved to be an uncomfortable association even though it has provided SALPOV with their main theology and much of their current terminology. Again, like the first example, SALPOV has gone to great lengths to erase all history with it, with no public statement. Third, the Course in Miracles. Still openly embraced.

A house divided against itself cannot stand, as Lincoln said.

Given the increasing speed in which both Spezzanos are descending into the 9th level of megalomania I should think "Healing Idols" will be a hoot to read for cult-watchers. Both Spezzanos now come across as smug and supercilious members of an economic class and self-appointed station that should make this new card pack drip with irony.

Attachments from August and September, 2012
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on April 27, 2014, 04:49:11 pm

I found a promotional text on PoV on a German website whose name translates to 'healing directory'. It is basically a platform publishing promotional texts by alt-med healers, therapists, spiritual healers etc as well as a short introductory text on the resp healing methods. Persons or companies who wish to publish their info may join the platform for free, but there is a premium membership allegedly providing the service of the entry being found more easily. The site also carries Google ads.

They have got two texts explaining what PoV allegedly is, one by a German Newage author, the other one written by PoV DACH:

http://www.heil-verzeichnis.de/therapien/psychology-of-vision-%28pov%29-1238/


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“Psychology of Vision is a groundbreaking healing model developed by Chuck & Lency Spezzano, in which modern psychological knowhow takes effect with spiritual principles. It demonstrates clearly and distinctly how our inner and outer world is connected, what gives us back the power of decision to change our life, recognise and overcome current challenges.
 
Psychology of Vision deals with three main elements of our life:
Relationships, leadership, and non-confessional spirituality. To understand the meaning and the power of relationships is the key to change, since all our problems ultimately are relationship problems. All our relationships reflect the relation to ourselves and at the same time, this one reflects our relationship to God. When we heal our relationships, we can thus heal all other aspects of our life.
Leadership describes our leadership qualities and means to be able to be responsive to those persons who need our help. It is the readiness to help which at the same time serves ourselves. For when we overcome whatever tries to hold us back from helping others, both of us will be freed. Spirituality – dissociated from religion – means natural spiritual feelings and spiritual meaning which every human being, according to their spirit and consciousness, shares with everybody else. The connection between all human beings on one level of consciousness is continued in a relationship to the divine.

Psychology of Vision – a new psychological school of the 21st century

Psychology of Vision is built on the works of the visionaries Freud, Jung, Frankl, and Perls, and takes into account experience from hypnotherapy, gestalt therapy, and NLP. In their therapeutical practice, Chuck and Lency Spezzano have also acquired and won their own insights, models, concepts, methods, and techniques which as a whole form Psychology of Vision.
Basic principles and teachings from „A Course in Miracles“ have confirmed the original approach of Psychology of Vision and at the same time opened new perspectives on further psychological and therapeutical research tasks.
The aim of Psychology of Vision is a holistic transformation which will not only make life worth living, but also adorable! It is a science and an art which enables us to discover all aspects hidden in the subconscious, unconscious resp. the shamanic and in the spiritual consciousness. This special psychology makes it possible to perform consciousness work even more target-oriented, easier, and clearing and healing much quicker.
(Wulfing von Rohr, author and journalist, on Psychology of Vision)“
Emphasis mine

The second text seems to be from PoV:

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What can Psychology of Vision do for us?
1. PoV supports us human beings in overcoming psychological and spiritual obstacles and to develop a personal responsibility.
2. PoV offers a mind map of consciousness as well as the tools necessary for a deep personal change.
3. The PoV model enables persons to create a positive vision of future which includes themselves, their families, and the world.
4. PoV enables an intuition for one's own emotions and creates a connection to our heart which changes the perception of our environment
5. PoV facilitates understanding, solving of conflicts and builds bridges between cultures.
Psychology of Vision also offers the possibility to absolve a 100-Day-Programme. This will teach worldwide professional tools which enable participants to integrate the principles of Psychology of Vision into their own life. Emphasis will be on teaching the fundamental methods and concepts. The founders of the method, Chuck and Lency Spezzano, in person train participants of this programme all over the world to become Psychology of Vision Trainers. Participance in the Trainer's Programme will take place in the sense of a personal invitation. Persons who completed these advanced and profound trainings is authorised to use the title of Psychology of Vision Trainer.
Source for the text and for further infos is the German section of: http://www.psychologyofvision.com/dach/infos.html


Short info on Wulfing von Rohr (from his German Wikipedia article):

"W. von Rohr is a German citizen living in Austria and has been working for the state-owned TV stations as a journalist and producer of documentaries between 1974 and 1994.
At the end of the 1980ies he studied at the University of California [they don't get any more precise as to where and what], and, between 1986 and 1998, lived in Santa Fe/New Mexico. Besides numerous publications in the field of astrology and Newage as an author, editor, translator and counselor, he is also an organiser, moderator, and seminar leader for congresses and conferences on cultural exchange, peace issues, and spirituality, as e.g. the International Peace Conference in Munich 1999, Interreligious Talks Luzern/Switzerland 2000, Peace Days Salzburg (Austria) 2002, Angels' Days Salzburg and Munich 2006, 2007, 2008; The Gathering Conference for Light Workers in Solothurn (Switzerland) 2008, Vital Force Symposions in Zurich (Switzerland) 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, Aura Basel (Switzerland) 2009 and 2010."


Wikipedia also lists several publications on astrology, Tarot, numerology, and New Age.


Amazon bio:
"Wulfing von Rohr, born 1948, is a researcher of consciousness and culture, an author and co-author of books, seminar leader, translator, and editor. Up to now, he has published more than 90 books as an author or co-author. He makes appearances as a moderator and in part as an organiser of spiritual meetings [as mentioned above]. He was a guest speaker at the Mid-Summer Conference in Colorade in June 2009. He is the moderator at the Vital Force Zurich and at Aura Basel (annual conferences), but also at the „Iron Forum“ (a medical congress) twice in Basel and once in Zurich. In March 2011, he participates in the Conference The Gathering in Sedona, Arizona as the only German-language speaker.

W. v. Rohr has been a TV journalist and producer of TV documentaries for ARD and ZDF [state owned TV stations] for 20 years. He was a board member at the professional organisation of German Yoga teachers (BDY) and contributed to the curriculum for the training of Yoga teachers. He is the founding chief editor in charge of the ANGELmagazine which he directed for two years. He is a member of the International Society of Deep Psychology and participated for more than ten years in their Autumn Conferences in Lindau as a speaker or workshop director. […] His latest project is a weekly internet radio show with German-language and international guests within the framework of „Awakening Zone“. Wulfing von Rohr is seen as the leading adept of the spiritual movements and development in Europe, North America, and parts of Asia."


Additionally, von Rohr has business contacts to Spezzano, as he translated several of Spezzano's books, like e.g. „There must be a better way. Basic Principles of Psychology of Vision“, or „Soul Cards“ (April 2008).

In the acknowledgement section of the German translation of „The Tao Index: Personal Development and Relationship will be co-factors in business success or failure in future“ (February 2009), Spezzano writes:
„The acknowledgements would not be complete without mentioning my German agent Wulfing von Rohr“.
This means von Rohr is or has been more than just a translator of a few books.

Judging from a publication written by von Rohr („Small revelations. Proposals for a conscious life“. October 2009), he says in chapter 7 „There will always be a next step“:
“What I describe as practices to imitate […], I have experienced in a similar form in Chuck Spezzano's „Psychology of Vision“ seminars […].“
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on April 28, 2014, 01:13:42 am
Von Rohr is absolutely right... there always will be a next step in chuck spezzano's psychology of vision. this translates to you will never be "healed" because you will never "get it". the love and happiness he promises is always out of reach because he has his "programming" of you set up so you always have to pay for the next workshop. it's a lose lose situation for you. you have to pay a lot of money not only for his programming of you but for air fares and hotel rooms. all for what is a bogus snake oil programming of your self . chuck spezzano is not a recognised healing model anywhere but in his own organization that amounts to nothing more than a cult taking control over your life.
read and research about  chuck spezzano before you take a chance with your life changing for the worse by joining them. it amounts to nothing more than a real super rotten carrot on a big stick. you're never going to "get it" with this group. chuck spezzano has his group set up so you'll never get it and it's all about chuck spezzano getting your money by having to take more and more of his fake psychologist "teachings". as someone quoted about this group.. don't walk away from this group... Run away from them. I like to add ..spread the word to others about PoV. do not allow or let others fall into their trap..
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 08, 2014, 02:53:07 am
I typed the query Lency Spezzano joining on Google and this brief display was included in the results--

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Lency Spezzano - Chuck and Lency Spezzano's Home Page
www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencySpezzano.htm
Lency is an empath, a mystic and an explorer of divine consciousness. ... Lency is pioneering Psychology of Vision's mystical path through her joining method, ...

This text no longer exists in the main body of the page, but it did at one time. This statement doesn't really inspire the reader to view Lenora Kay Spezzano as a serious professional in the field of mental health.

Then we find a card of the day from Charles Lee Spezzano--

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Oct
24
HEALING THE DEMON METAPHOR

HEALING THE DEMON METAPHOR is the card for today. It reflects self concepts, shadow figures we have inside and demonic possession. Today invite love, Divine Love which brings miracles and Divine Presence in to heal these subconscious and unconscious parts of our mind as they are meant to stop God's Love and grace. But love always comes when it is called and Divine Love and Presence even more so. What is a part of our ego is melted away and the fallen angels are redeemed. Today let these hells within be healed. Have a beautiful day!

Posted 24th October 2013 by Chuck Spezzano
Labels: Card Healing the Demon Metaphor

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2013/10/healing-demon-metaphor.html (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.blogspot.com/2013/10/healing-demon-metaphor.html)

If people want to promote belief in empaths, demons, angels and mystics that's fine. But they shouldn't expect to be taken seriously as professionals in the field of psychology at the same time, particularly when neither one of the Spezzanos are real licensed psychologists.

It seems very wrong to me in light of how much the paranormal, supernatural, and junk science is embraced by the leaders of this group, not to mention the lack of credentials, that Psychology of Vision is listed under "Psychologists" in the online Honolulu Yellow Pages.

http://www.yellowpagecity.com/US/HI/Honolulu/Psychologists/Page+4/ (http://www.yellowpagecity.com/US/HI/Honolulu/Psychologists/Page+4/)

Too bad the Yellow Pages do not have a category for "Plastic Healers."


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 10, 2014, 03:23:41 am
Awhile back I ran across a forum on MD Junction under the category of Online Support Groups › Rheumatoid Arthritis › Rheumatoid Forums and found this thread from 2012:

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/rheumatoid-arthritis-discussions/general-support/10034024-that-friendthe-one-who-knows-everything (http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/rheumatoid-arthritis-discussions/general-support/10034024-that-friendthe-one-who-knows-everything)

As you can see the contributors are discussing the Charles Lee Spezzano/Janie Ticehurst "Healing Keys/Metaphors" concerning Rheumatoid Arthritis. Since all public access to the metaphors have recently been carefully obliterated from Internet, we don't have a record of exactly what Spezzano/Ticehurst wrote, but we can be pretty sure it involved blaming the victim for the malady. See, that's the scam. Create a sense of guilt, then offer a "cure" to erase it. This is not a SALPOV sideshow, the "healing Keys" are a metaphor itself for the central business philosophy on how this for-profit retail spirituality corporation preys on vulnerable people in a broader way. Of course the "healing key" to cure yourself from this SALPOV disease is to relax, take a deep breath, clear your mind, and walk away to reclaim your life and save your money.

It is interesting and somewhat amusing to see how the Spezzano blame-the-victim view of disease fares when it is presented to real people in the real world  who use critical thinking, particularly if they suffer from the disease Charles would like them to feel guilty about. Here are some sample quotes:

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I'm going to be blunt and say that this is bullshit! All out bullshit!

Having a positive attitude does help, but it doesn't cure. When I had ovarian cancer (10 yrs ago) then had major surgery and chemo, I had a very positive attitude (not sure why). My odds of long term survival was not great, but I thought that my positive outlook would give me a better chance of survival. Ends up, statistically, it makes no difference for survival rates but it does make the journey so much easier. I had people tell me that I did so well because I was positive. I always cautioned them to change that mindset. Basically they were saying that if someone doesn't survive then they must of had a bad attitude? So they were responsible for their deaths? Not so.

So this article and your friend are making you the cause of your illness. Like I said, bullshit!
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The following contribution has provided us with yet another lost disease metaphor that survived the public access purge. We can document this for the record of consumer protection:

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That has to be the most ludicrous drivel I've ever read!!!!!! Here's what they believe about a FRACTURE,for Pete's sake:

A fracture means that the surface of a bone has been broken or cracked.

This shows an area where we are caught in self-attack and judgment of another. Something that was buried at an unconscious level has now come up for healing.

As a result, we have lost a level of confidence or strength; we have experienced a fracture of self, which points to some deeper emotional conflict.

At some level, we have suffered a kind of emotional fracture or heartbreak as a result of this conflict.

The area of our body that has suffered the fracture will give us a significant clue as to our underlying psychological process.


Are you kidding me?!

Amy, if she truly believes these things, I feel bad for her because she's being completely misled.

If I were you , I'd just ignore her because she's ignorant to the realities of life apparently.
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Sounds like someone needs a reality check. She needs to actually live in someone else's shoes for a few days to experience the day to day pain we suffer. May be good whack on the back of the head? Oh were you experiencing negative pain? sorry about that I just needed to relief some of mine so my RA wouldn't act up. Some people. I say move on. Let her have her beliefs, Karma is a %(*^H!
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Imagine that?.....mind over matter when it comes to RA????

Its obvious that your friend has not experienced the pain of RA.

What it means to try to get up off a chair after trying several times to rock your self up, waiting until the coast is clear so that no one notices your struggle.

I know that every time I try to get off a chair, I do think positively, but the pain that is still there, yes, I do eventually get up and stand to walk, with a pain that does not leave.

Another positive experience is how I can waive the car on that wants to let me cross the parking lot because I know that I will not walk quite fast enough and don't want to piss off the driver. Yes, that is certainly positive thinking....

I positively know that if I give myself 4 hours to get ready for work each day, I can make it to work, as I painfully hold my blowdryer and can't dry my hair the right way..or give my self time to pick out clothing with few buttons, so that I can positively put the blouse over my head, which causes great pain in my shoulders.

I am positive that if I bring four pairs of shoes, I will start out with stylish ones, but as the day goes on, I change them frequently as I eventually end up with the orthopedic ones, all after only a few hours at work.

Yes, we can all be positive, but that does not magically cast a cure for RA.....with all do respect, I wish I could magically

ZAP your friend with RA for just a while and see if positive thinking cured her !

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One has to wonder, how did Charles Lee Spezzano arrive at these mystical metaphors? As has been proven throughout this forum, very little about SALPOV is actually original. In spite of their claims of being "cutting edge," "ground breaking," or "paradigm shifting" most of the concepts of this personality cult have been lifted from somewhere else. The "inspiration" for the "Healing Metaphors" is no doubt from the Louise Hay work from 1984, You Can Heal Your Life.


The New York Times had a long article on Hays by Mark Oppenheimer on May 4, 2008, entitled The Queen of the New Age that is worth reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/magazine/04Hay-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/magazine/04Hay-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0)

The reader can get a sense of the wider esoteric culture that SALPOV is attempting to profit from, and just how late and behind the New Age fashion curve the Spezzanos always have been. We also see how rinky-dink the SALPOV extended family of healers and hypnotherapists are when compared to the true big money hucksters. I thought of the SALPOV spinoffs when I read this part--

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WITHOUT THE AIDS EPIDEMIC, Hay House wouldn’t exist. Louise Hay would be another workshop leader taking predominantly middle-class white women on retreats where they recite affirmations, short statements meant to bring a new, desired reality to fruition. (Examples include “I now create a wonderful new job” and “I live in the perfect space.”) There are hundreds of these workshop leaders and authors; their seminars are advertised in New Age publications, on the Internet and on the bulletin boards in health-food stores and at yoga studios. Most of them never become rich. Like the aspiring motivational speaker played by Greg Kinnear in “Little Miss Sunshine,” they work a minor-league circuit, trying to develop a following and maybe land a book deal. AIDS gave Louise Hay a following.

Then I read the following paragraphs, which portray a major weakness in Hay's premise, a weakness repeated by Spezzano and Ticehurst--
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But while Hay may have hedged about whether positive thinking could cure AIDS, in her writings she was adamant that thoughts — not just sexual behavior — could help cause it. “Venereal dis-ease,” Hay writes in “You Can Heal Your Life,” using her eccentric spelling, “is almost always sexual guilt. It comes from a feeling, often subconscious, that it is not right to express ourselves sexually. A carrier with a venereal dis-ease can have many partners, but only those whose mental and physical immune systems are weak will be susceptible to it.” And that mental weakness can be self-loathing, hating one’s looks or just a fear of aging.

In person and in print, Hay mentions these causes only to play them down: “In no way am I trying to create guilt for anyone”; “this is a time for healing, for making whole, not for condemnation.” But she cannot escape her own logic: if our thoughts create our circumstances, then we are always, in the end, to blame. When I asked her if, since people’s thoughts are responsible for their conditions, victims of genocide might be to blame for their own deaths, she said: “I probably wouldn’t say it to them. I don’t go around making people feel bad. That’s not what I’m after.” I pressed harder: Did she believe they are to blame? “Yes, I think there’s a lot of karmic stuff that goes on, past lives.” So, I asked, with a situation like the Holocaust, the victims might have been an unfortunate group of souls who deserved what they got because of their behavior in past lives? “Yes, it can work that way,” Hay said. “But that’s just my opinion.”

As I have pointed out earlier, in extending their blame-the-victim views it is logical to conclude SALPOV must believe FN deserved the abuse it suffered from Anglo invasion because of some guilty thinking. Maybe the SALPOV leadership needs to find themselves a "healing metaphor" and "healing key" for the disease of Manifest Destiny? The Spezzano contact in BC has been anything but a "Cultural Renaissance."
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: educatedindian on May 13, 2014, 01:14:00 am
POV has sent letters to three critics in an attempt to silence and intimidate them and force a public apology. The critics shared the letters with NAFPS mods. They agreed to our commenting upon the letters. I decline to post any of the critics' names, though two of them said it was OK to do so for them.

The letter claims to be from a reputable law firm, but it's nothing like any I've ever seen. Two lawyers consulted by the critics agree, in their words, "It's pure BS" and legally useless. I seriously wonder if a junior employee at the firm sent the document on the company letterhead without the firm's knowledge or approval.

In fact, the form is "signed" by the typed in name of the firm "Donald Sutherland and Associates", followed by simply two big initials, said to be Donald Sutherland's. I highly doubt the firm would send a letter not listing the lawyer allegedly handling the case. The letter also lacks legal language and instead accuses the three critics of defamation simply for having an opinion about POV.

The letter claims the firm has taken over 300 screen shots of posts by the three critics at half a dozen websites including NAFPS. It goes on to try and give a little history lesson in libel law, almost like a junior law clerk wrote it.

Finally the letter was not sent by courier. It's the kind of thing perhaps one person at the firm agreed to do as a courtesy, hoping to bluff someone.

There are also three letters of apology the firm allegedly demands the critics sign within ten days. Those ten days passed four days ago, with no further action. Pretty safe to say those letters and threatened deadline failed.

The three things that POV or the firm claims were libelous are:
That POV harmed Native communities.
That POV people may have used hypnotism.
That people taking part in POV have been harmed.

I don't claim to be an expert in Canadian law, but under US law none of those arguments are even remotely libelous. Clearly people have been harmed by POV, esp NDNs. Funds that could have been used to actually help and heal people have been diverted to POV. Some of the POV people were clearly trained in hypnotism, so to point to the possibility of that being used is not libelous.

That POV would resort to this shows makes them look to be bullies, and desperate ones who just want to shut up critics.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on May 13, 2014, 03:29:43 pm
Regarding hypnosis, it is just not clear among professionals, whether hypnosis is only the whole treatment or if the state of trance severally can be called hypnosis. Trance belongst to hypnosis, it is a part of hypnosis. POV makes people to go consciously or unconsciously in a trance, this can definitely be described as self-hypnosis, a form of hypnosis. This is not a Hypnosis - treatment in the traditional sense , as they are performed in hypnosis therapies. There is a difference and there are various forms of hypnosis treatments.


Did Chuck S. clarify his proffessions? As I know by medicine books there are always a short description about the authors: Age, course of studies, university, educational attainment, working places, ... I wonder, there is nothing what can be retraced in a simple way.
And who is Lency? Nothing is clear.....
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on May 13, 2014, 03:49:06 pm

Did Chuck S. clarify his proffessions? As I know by medicine books there are always a short description about the authors: Age, course of studies, university, educational attainment, working places, ... I wonder, there is nothing what can be retraced in a simple way.
And who is Lency? Nothing is clear.....

I know this thread is long, but the answers to your questions are in there. :) Lency Spezzano is Chuck's wife, she does a hypnosis type act that she calls "joining". Chuck's education has also been researched.  An excellent source of info on the Spezzanos and Psychology of Vision: http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision (http://www.psiram.com/en/index.php/Psychology_of_Vision)
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on May 13, 2014, 06:25:21 pm
I know Lency is Chucks wife, I know what psiram writes.

But what I try to say is: The education of both is not clearly and obvously mentioned as it should be. Nothing is really obvious, nothing really traceable.
If you look into reference books about medicine and psychology there is a short text about every person who wrote scientific texts, with their officially recognized professional title, their work, etc.. This all must be traceable.

In this way POV presents themselves is not ok.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on May 13, 2014, 07:28:04 pm
Sturmboe, I apologize for misunderstanding, sorry about that.

I agree with you, POV does not present themselves professionally at all, and it is not okay. They attempt to sound scientific and professional, they claim they are doing research, but they behave unethically.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 14, 2014, 01:14:44 am
The 2011 English language Psychology of Vision Trainers Manual has been removed from public view during the last few days. This document has been a rich primary source for researching the inner structure of SALPOV, exposing the organisation as a personality-based cult with a steep hierarchy.

It is still available for those of you who are signed in to this Forum. Merely click on the attachment.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 14, 2014, 12:29:42 pm
Psychology of Vision Trainer Application Process 2015

http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Trainer-Application-Process-2015.pdf (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Trainer-Application-Process-2015.pdf)

Also attached:

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 16, 2014, 03:51:59 pm
"This world is actually a dream, it is an illusion. The same thing is said by quantum physicists."--Lenora Kay Spezzano in "Healing the Great Wars Download"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gTQfgjc_4&list=UU_Haw3QSCIkiAJGBTPaHxrg&feature=c4-overview
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gTQfgjc_4&list=UU_Haw3QSCIkiAJGBTPaHxrg&feature=c4-overview)

The SALPOV bullying letter sounds like a purely deceptive and manipulative way to take advantage of Canada's strange law on "defamation." Rather ironic since it is instigated by U.S. citizens, who supposedly cherish free speech. Apparently the Spezzanos believe in the "free speech for me but not for thee" philosophy. We have to remember, the Spezzanos are wealthy Americans. Charles and Lenora wear the blinders of entitlement and their followers enable this condition.

Here is my response to the news of the Spezzano letter-- 

One by one the most self-incriminating SALPOV primary sources have been vanishing from public view in 2014. The Spezzano/Ticehurst Healing Metaphors-- gone. All mention of the Spezzanos' love affair with one of their two "greatest inspirations," Oneness University-- gone. The Trainers Manual-- gone.

As a flipside note, also in 2014 at least one former trainer has been quietly erasing any connection to the cult from their online profiles and résumés. I am betting more will follow. SALPOV is now seen as a damaged product, and justifiably so.

There still exists three primary sources to point to for obvious signs of deception and greed. The egos involved are much too invested to erase these circus exhibitions so I don't expect to see them self-censored very soon.

First, in promoting the 2014 visit of Charles Lee Spezzano to the UK, he has been marketed for several months thusly--

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CHUCK SPEZZANO is one of the world’s leading psychologists and experts on relationships and personal growth therapy.

http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250 (http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250)

Of course the entire sentence is a lie. Deception. False advertising. He is not a psychologist and in fact was fined for pretending to be one in a tragic case that resulted in a man's suicide in 2004. Yes, a man died and an online document exists charging both Spezzanos with outright lying and contributing to the distress of this individual--

http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html
 (http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html)

So now Charles Lee Spezzano calls himself a "coach." Only the brainwashed members of his cult would consider him to be a highly respected professional and world figure. He isn't. To the common viewer Mr. Spezzano is a pretty transparent huckster preying on vulnerable people.

Second, the same UK SALPOV website that touts Charles Lee Spezzano's false credentials also has a section where you can have the opportunity to have an hour of personal consultation from this internationally known leading "psychologist"--   

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Chuck Spezzano is available for private coaching sessions while he is in the UK in April and July 2014.

His fee is £700 per hourly session.

http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250 (http://www.povevents.com/chuck-spezzano/private-coaching-chuck-spezzano/?doing_wp_cron=1386393942.3412690162658691406250)

In North American terms that is over $1000 both in CAD and USD. For an hour. Of his time. Incredible. Shameless. Greeeeedy. What do you suppose the great historical spiritual teachers in history, like the Christ Jesus from Charles Lee Spezzano's Catholic indoctrination for instance, would say about this high-end retail spirituality?

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And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
    —Matthew 21:12–13

Charles Lee Spezzano is a lost man.

When the SALPOV Oneness University purge began, the UK website marched in lockstep with the program and deleted the politically humiliating connection. So it stands to reason the above two UK SALPOV perversions remain online with the approval from Hawaii HQ.

Before I get to the third bullet, let's remember the main points of this post are how SALPOV deceptive and greedy practices are documented by members of their own online cult. I hope you'll recall the now deleted quote from SALPOV indoctrinee Jeremy Marchant--

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"A primary source of emotional intelligence at work‘s EI material is based on Psychology of Vision, as developed by Chuck Spezzano.  This takes a largely mainstream post-Freudian approach [see, for example, Eric Berne, A layman’s guide to psychiatry and psychoanalysis] and elaborates it with extensive borrowings from other sources of which Carl Jung, NLP and transactional analysis are the most obvious.  Chuck’s genius is to keep the complexity but hide it from the client (unless the client is interested in it) so as to provide a powerful transformational approach."

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37086#msg37086 
 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37086#msg37086)

Hiding is deceptive. And manipulative. Mr. Transparency goes out the window. Also NLP has sometimes been compared to hypnosis, which brings us to--

And now (drumroll) for the third point-- Lenora Kay Spezzano's low-budget load of corny/campy "joining" YouTubes that has earned a following among students of the bizarre. Now that the Healing Metaphors have been self-censored, the Lenora videos have been elevated to the most current self-destructive SALPOV public product in terms of hurting their attempt to pass as "professionals." 

Lenora Kay Spezzano has posted more than a couple dozen Youtube examples of her "joining" technique. Here is a link to all of them--

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

At one time these Youtubes had several critical comments, but most have been removed. Oddly, Lenora's responses to deleted critical observations remain on many of them, creating a strange impression, like some crazy paranoid bag lady shuffling down the street talking to herself. The Spezzanos really need a professional social media manager if they want to perpetuate their scam with a veneer of professionalism. As it is they just come across as two aging con artists utterly out of touch with modern technology. Rather than engage and take responsibility and defend or discuss connection with Healing Metaphors or Oneness University or other smoking guns to their own hypocrisy they chose to just delete their past. Bad move. Internet remembers.

In her Youtube infomercials, Lenora describes what "downloading" and "joining" entails--

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"Now I want to give you the gift of a healing download. And this download will come through the higher self, through the Holy Spirit, and it will be using my brain to transmit this healing, or correction, of what in Psychology of Vision we call 'The Great Wars.'"

... "So as the download starts to come through, and I can feel it already, you'll start to feel inside of your brain the change in the brain pattern in your neuro-net. So, if you remember from college when you were studying science, the science of the brain, your thought patterns are in there physically through the firing of synapses, so you get a certain pattern of thought again and again, these patterns get really deeply entrenched."

"This is not something that I'm doing. Its something that's organised from a much higher level of our minds, and I'm just being a conduit. Its coming through. And my brain feels the changes that your brain will be feeling. So my brain is transmitting the sort of ironing out of those ruts in your mind ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gTQfgjc_4&list=UU_Haw3QSCIkiAJGBTPaHxrg&feature=c4-overview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9gTQfgjc_4&list=UU_Haw3QSCIkiAJGBTPaHxrg&feature=c4-overview)

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" ... We are not our body. We are not the body. This is a vehicle. Its a purely neutral thing, if something's going wrong, if lack of health is showing up in us its only to draw our attention to something, its just a communication to us but the body's free from our, from our beliefs and our issues and all of that."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RzQKJ0T_fg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RzQKJ0T_fg)

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"So the download will address the beliefs that you have that show up in your neuro-net as a frame pattern that limits you. So we're going to erase the limiting pattern and replace it with the truth that, you know, you're God's child, you have a rich Father ..."

At one point in this segment Lenora apparently feels the forces of "downloading" impatiently bearing down and admits she is performing these "joining" sessions as a form of marketing. But who is "They"?--

"So, you can probably feel the ... they don't wait. They don't understand show business. It's just already started."

... "So, just surrender your mind, and be willing to have that thought change."

... "Look into my right eye."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_9km2_D1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_9km2_D1o)

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"This download will remove the belief that you should feel shame. It will remove the pattern, the habitual ingrained pattern in your neuro-net, the firing of the synapses that habitually take you and lead you into shame. It'll remove that and replace it with the understanding that you're innocent ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmBW0PQU4Ys
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmBW0PQU4Ys)

In the "Healing the Dark Night of the Soul Download" the multiple role of director/actor/scriptwriter played by Lenora is very obvious since nothing seems to be working right. Apparently the subject isn't responding, so in an effort to stall for time Lenora tells the audience, "Wait. The intensity. You're feeling this, right? In your brain. Wow. I can hear the bones in my head cracking ..." She can be heard directing the audio crew, "If you guys can tee up the 'Bliss Music' and keep going through and start over again if you need to." At one point she even consults the triangle Charles Lee Spezzano lifted from Bob Trask (that amusing chapter of Charles' past needs more exposure, I think) and says, "Dark Night of the Soul. Where is it on the triangle?" More than others, this Youtube exposes the stage management of these presentations. And the word "stage" will become a key point here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kyfPA5eS8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kyfPA5eS8)

The quintessential Youtube by Lenora is the "Greater Intimacy with God Download." If there ever was evidence she is using hypnosis, this video is it. Watch her hands carefully at 1:40-1:45. Jordan's responses, including basically freaking out at one point, pretty much tell the story. This is also the video where Lenora goes into a very strange sort of spin that is not seen on the other presentations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY)

Another strong entry for the hypnosis argument comes from the "Freedom from Judging the Ego Download" as you watch Lenora bringing the client down from the trance starting at 12:55. This Youtube is a particularly sadistic entry in Lenora's demonstrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hUNATwbFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hUNATwbFY)

Hypnosis and Psychology of Vision have a strong bond. Charles Lee Spezzano tells us he was trained in hypnosis in this Youtube, Change Your Mind Change Your Heart   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszvvL-ksZs&list=PL3A0C019D53295DA6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszvvL-ksZs&list=PL3A0C019D53295DA6)

He also used to include hypnotherapy as a skill on his LinkedIn (see attachments, which originally were discovered by Grifters Hotel). He endorsed hypnosis when he wrote a positive review in 2006 for a work by German SALPOV cult member Peter Reiter (who died in 2013)--

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"This book presents a very easy way to change yourself to be more of your true self. It also allows you to help others to change. This is what the future holds – friends helping friends. And having fun while doing it. Because what you are about to learn is fun, easy and effective. It is intriguing because you are unraveling the mystery of yourself. It is fun because it can be done in your bedroom or study by yourself, with a friend in a café or with a group at a party. It is entertaining and educational. It is easy because it can be done by you with a simple understanding of what is presented in the book. And finally, it is effective as it uses the principle that is central to hypnosis to bring about change: by assigning meaning to a symbol and changing the symbol, you effect change in what is symbolized."

https://web.archive.org/web/20130207162635/http://www.seelenhaus-methode.de/zur-methode/empfehlung-dr-spezzano (https://web.archive.org/web/20130207162635/http://www.seelenhaus-methode.de/zur-methode/empfehlung-dr-spezzano)

In addition, a simple Google search will reveal many of the SALPOV followers have gone on to careers that include the use of hypnosis and hypnotherapy. Hypnosis is in the DNA of SALPOV. In one of her Youtubes, Lenora calls her husband the "King of the downloads." This bridge strengthens the download/hypnosis connection.

Earlier on this thread Piff found an interesting comment by Victoria Buffalo Robe dated Jan. 4, 2012 on the Facebook site for the short-lived Psychology of Vision Joining Series. The series was advertised like this--

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Psychology of Vision Joining Series

A Joining series to explore our inner worlds

“Pain and suffering are washed away by
love: This happens with empathic joining
between two or more people. By transcending
personal barriers we can become one with
others and experience the higher states of
consciousness in which pain can no longer
exist.”

~ Psychology of Visions Core Principal #11

Join us for a series like no other.

With alternating POV Guest Trainers This series will count
towards Days in the "100 day" Psychology of Vision Program.

Melissa Meyer Feb 1st and Feb 15th

Susan How March 7th and April 18th

Charles Campbell March 21st

Victoria Buffalo Robe April 4th

1530 Adanac st. Buzz 403

7pm-9pm

By Donation
(Suggested $20)

“If grass can grow through cement, Love can find you at
every time in your life” ~ Cher

For more information or to register, please RSVP
Victoria Buffalo Robe at 604 505-8867

And in the comments Victoria made this thought provoking comment--

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Joining is an emotional healing exercise used for thousands of years in our human history. The Yogi's call it Gazing, in Psychology of Vision it is a very integral part of healing through love, and becoming emotionally mature.

This gazing technique has a name: Trataka.

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Trataka plays an important role in yoga. Parvati practised shambhavi mudra, which forms an integral part if inner trataka. Trataka is practised even in hypnotism. The eyes possess the power to act as a reservoir of energy as well as a transmitter. Through the medium of the eyes, we are able to express many things. We are able to express sorrow, joy, anger, displeasure, cheerfulness, malice, etc. Through trataka we can acquire great power.

http://www.yogamag.net/archives/2005/cmar05/tratak.shtml (http://www.yogamag.net/archives/2005/cmar05/tratak.shtml)

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Inner Tratak:- It involves gazing continuously at mental picture or an object or concentrating our mind at any of the seven chakra ( in beginning we concentrate on Agnya chakra, the point slightly above and between two eyebrows). With regular practice we try to visualize an object of our interest and the same picture is then retended in mind for long time as per our strength and capacity. When we are able to retain a particular thought for about an hour then we should try to elongate the time duration of our practice with great care. Remember, visualization has tremendous power. When we advance in the practice of inner Tratak then, we can hold a single thought for a long time and the visualization of mind crystalizes and finally manifests in our real life. We can attract health, wealth, prosperity, respect and much more in our daily life by using visualization technique.
Advantages- It helps in building confidence, gaining strong will power and intelligence, improves co centration and the power of visualization. When we advance in the practice, we can establish contact with our spirit guide and seek their help. We develop power to hypnotise anyone.

http://thedivinepowerwithinyou.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-wonders-of-tratak.html (http://thedivinepowerwithinyou.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-wonders-of-tratak.html)

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TRATAK – A sure gateway to develop psychic powers

Tratak Sadhna is one of the best simple and super most technique among all to achieve various powers & siddhies. Tratak is the practice of staring or gazing at an external object. It was a method of meditation that involves concentrating on a single point such as a small object, black dot or candle flame. It is often used in yoga as a way of developing concentration, strengthening the eyes and stimulating the Brow (agya) Chakra. Tratak is sadhna for mind control & awakening. Tratak is considered to be helpful in developing psychic powers. For all those wishing to tread on the path of Sadhna and excel in the fields f hypnosis, magic and attain higher spiritual powers. Tratak is considered an extremely powerful spiritual exercise. However, attempting it without proper assistance under the guidance of a trained teacher or guru can be dangerous.

Amazing Benefits of Tratak

Develop Focused Concentration Power: Strong projection of Intention. Enter into relaxed peaceful and meditative state; free from restlessness & wandering thoughts.

Develop Hypnotic Eye:

    To influence the people.
    To control the person in your positive favour.
    To calm down negative reactions.
    To Hypnotise & induce trance level.
    No body will dare to look into your eyes.

Develop Psychokinesis: Move any object through your focused mind, eye and hand energy.

Develop Inner Vision: Clairvoyance, clair audience, clair sentient. Acquire the higher state of consciousness.

Seek Remedies: Guidance in the form of psychic visions, symbols, feelings & colour visions.

Go to Past Life: See future visions, travel astral – communicate with divine masters, angels, guides & spirits.

Programme Your Subconscious Mind: Tratak is the best technique to influence subconscious effectively. Programme your subconscious mind to change your habits, weakness. Personality, to achieve your dreams & goals.
Source : By: Dr. N. K. Sharma

http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-blogs/seekers/meditation/tratak-a-sure-gateway-to-develop-psychic-powers?track=cntshrd (http://www.speakingtree.in/spiritual-blogs/seekers/meditation/tratak-a-sure-gateway-to-develop-psychic-powers?track=cntshrd)

As you can see the eye gazing technique seems to be interpreted several ways. Rev. Dr. Brian David Phillips has a very interesting post exploring this topic--

http://briandavidphillips.net/2012/12/31/hypnoticstare/ (http://briandavidphillips.net/2012/12/31/hypnoticstare/)

I understand Lenora Kay Spezzano is upset that her "downloading/joining" video performances have not been hailed as examples celebrating her role as the earthly conduit between astral forces and humankind, but instead has been categorized as "stage hypnotism."

So, let us look at the evidence. On this forum we have established without a doubt the SALPOV machine has no problem with being deceptive in how it presents itself. We have established they manipulate vulnerable, wounded, and fragile people. We have established, thanks to the German trainers manual, how they   targeted FN in a very strategic way. We have established SALPOV is a steep hierarchy and profit-driven corporation where only the top two executives have any real power as they exploit the labor of their too-trusting minions. We have established SALPOV is not respected by several other spiritual healers. We have established SALPOV is not respected by the American Cancer Society. We have established Charles Lee Spezzano is so insignificant even among New Age healers that he does not warrant an entry in Wikipedia. And we have established the SALPOV presence on Haida Gwaii has not only brought pain and suffering, but also those on that island who continue to serve the Spezzanos are selling out their own culture and don't appear to have any qualms about doing so.

And now for my opinion about Lenora's Youtubes, which I am free to have as a human walking between Earth and the sky. From my perspective Lenora is not acting as a conduit for anything except for the transfer of her gullible client's cash to her bank account.

Part of the definition of "Stage Hypnosis" includes that it is performed before an audience and usually has a shill in the group. In Lenora's case the entire room was filled with shills. Lenora herself called the videotaped effort "show business" and the hokey music only strengthens the view that this is a theatre production, not real healing in progress. It is all staged.

There is a very strong argument for defining her Youtubes as an example of stage hypnosis, particularly with her constant pointing to her right eye in many of the vids and how she can instantly turn on a dime and go in and out of her faux-trance expression as she orders stage directions to her crew. Now that the "Healing Metaphors" have been purged from public view, these "downloading" videos are the foremost new public access Achilles Heel for Psychology of Vision. 
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on May 25, 2014, 07:24:56 pm
Lency now has this site up: The Truth about Chuck and Lency Spezzano http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/)
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 26, 2014, 03:18:00 pm
Excerpt from Psych Web, Hypnotic Induction Techniques, Direct Gaze Method

http://www.psywww.com/asc/hyp/art/ind08.html (http://www.psywww.com/asc/hyp/art/ind08.html)

Emphasis is mine:

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Direct Gaze Method
This process is the Direct Gaze Induction Technique. This is the most powerful technique of all, and also the most difficult to use because you have to express perfect confidence. If you have any doubt, hesitation, or fear, it will show in your eyes; the subject will read it and it will inhibit their response.

If the subject is standing, you say to them, "All right, I want you to fix your eyes right here." Take the index finger of your right hand and bring it up under your right eye. If they're seated, or lying down on their back, say exactly the same thing.

When you're looking the subject in the eye, it is important for you not to blink. Narrow your eyes slightly, enough to keep your eyeballs from drying out. Time your counting in response to what you see happening in the subject's eyes. If you don't see any response, stretch out the suggestions. (ex. Five -- eyelids heavy, droopy, drowsy and sleepy, your eyelids feel so heavy. Four -- your heavy lids begin to feel as though they're getting ready to close. Three -- the very next time ....) The moment you see the subject beginning to blink, pick up the tempo and say 'And now they begin closing, closing ...'

Spoken to the subject

Now I want you to look right here. Don't take your eyes from mine. Don't move or speak or nod your head or say "uh-huh" unless I ask you to. I know that you hear and understand me just as you know it. If you follow my simple instructions, there is nothing in this world that can keep you from entering into a very deep and pleasant state of hypnosis, and doing it in just a fraction of a second. Now, take a deep breath and fill up your lungs. (Take a deep breath and take your right hand and move it in an upward motion in the air). Now exhale. (Bring hand down as they exhale) That's fine. Now a second and deeper breath. (Bring hand up) Exhale. (Bring hand down) Relax. Now a third deep breath. (Bring hand up) Exhale. (Bring hand down)

(Note: The following sections are for performing therapy)

(Raise your hand up over their head, about three feet in front of them, two feet above their head, pointing finger) And now, I'm going to count from five down to one. As I do, your eyelids grow heavy, droopy, drowsy and sleepy. By the time I reach the count of one, they close right down and you go deep in hypnotic slumber. Deeper than ever before. All right, Five (Start moving finger down) -- Eyelids heavy, droopy, drowsy and sleepy. Four (Moving finger down) -- Those heavy lids feel ready to close. Three (Moving finger down) -- The next time you blink that is hypnosis coming on you then. Two (Moving finger down) -- They begin closing, closing, closing, closing, closing, closing, closing, closing them, close them, close them.

They're closing, closing, closing, closing .. One

(Place right hand behind subjects head at base of skull. Grasp subjects left arm at elbow. With a sudden forward pulling movement of the right hand, say) Sleep now.

(Use a deepening technique and test subject)
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on May 26, 2014, 05:01:05 pm
Lency now has this site up: The Truth about Chuck and Lency Spezzano http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/)


Elucidation is something different than this, what L.S. writes. To me it seems like a bound of counter attacks by the assaults of other critics - but nothing is really clearified in important aspects and critics I had expected.

Quote: "It is not for everybody because not everyone wants to get in touch with their repressed pain so that it can be released and healed."
In this one sentence I criticize that is not the point "that not everyone wants to get in touch..." Fact is, not everybody is stabilized enough that he is able to stand by the confrontation with his pain. To force someone in contact with his problems, when he is not stabilized could be dangerous.

As the pain surfaces, it opens up the issue to be healed, washing out the pain and suffering, until only the joy of the experience of Oneness with God remains. It is a universal experience. With a little practice, as each person is relating to the other, it’s possible to read his or her painful life process like a book, recognizing we are the same and we are all connected.

Quote: "Life’s pain and suffering just waits until the conscious mind is willing to register and acknowledge its existence."
Not correct. Sometimes pain breaks through the surface and a person reacted as he never wanted to do this, cannot understand, what happened. To often the acknowledge comes in hard work.
"Once it has, the pain not only releases, it becomes the basis for strength, maturity and wisdom. Suffering is just the raw material for our growth; for most people, they have already done the hardest part of their lives – all that is left is to process the raw material so that it can be “smelted” with awareness, and the end product is gold." There are people who are growing "wiser", but this is often hard work they decided to go this way, radical acceptance

"People who have not only survived a crisis, but have integrated the process emotionally, generally do not wish that the crisis had never occurred." Puh, what a sentence. What is about those people who had hard life - experiences, and they are asking: Make this away, make it, as this never had happened to me" (for e.g. sexual abuse) They can learn to live with their experiences, but often there is no "do not wish that the crisis had never occurred, because they are glad to be the human being that transformed through the process. Joining reaps the benefits of our tough life experiences." Is there really a transforming process? If people talk about their bad life experiences, their own words hurt, there is an experience ... even they know those words will help other to know "you are not alone". But these words hurt, realising an experience, this not gone, not away.

It would be ok, if POV would present their psychological training with a lot of other psychologists and psychotherapists in symposia, discussing about its contains, what must be changed, what is good. There may be some good aspects, but POV on their own cannot particularize it. Psychological therapies are constantly changing in an international or national exchange, multidisciplinary. And another case here: supervisors should coming from outside, and noone from POV.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 27, 2014, 02:16:13 am
With Lenora Kay Spezzano's announcement that she will no longer be making international visits after 2014, it would stand to reason that she might be going more into the webinar route. She has an existing webinar series that appears to be about two or three years old.

www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencyWebinar.htm (http://www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencyWebinar.htm)

These webinars are presented in graduated steps and in viewing the summaries one can see why Lenora is so defensive about her "professional" standing and why she is so very insecure about the charge that "downloading/joining" is anything other than what she claims it is. Her "look in my right eye" technique is at the foundation of a very expensive set of webinars.

If her Youtube "joining" videos are any indication of how that practice is supposed to work, they raise a number of very legitimate observations and questions a reasonable person would pose regarding hypnosis, harm done to the client, and Lenora's "scientific" definition of how the process works. Any critical mind should be able to express these views without fear of being accused of defamation, libel, or slander. To legally threaten people for questioning the validity of "joining" is simply bullying, cyber or otherwise. It reveals a defensive intolerance for criticism and is another point in favor of the charge that Psychology of Vision behaves like a cult. Here's a link to the Youtubes. I find them fascinating, but probably not for reasons Lenora would prefer--

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

Here's the first part of the series--

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Enlightenment & Beyond

Lency Webinar Series

In this 8 session Webinar series, Lency Spezzano will take you all the way through the introductory level of her work to the most cutting edge, groundbreaking level of inducing enlightenment. The Enlightenment & Beyond -Webinar Series is divided into two levels, Level 1 & Level 2. They can be taken one at a time or together.

In Level 1 of this Webinar, Lency will introduce her Theory of Everything, teach her "Joining" Method for releasing unconscious pain, and take participants through healing their major prenatal, birth and childhood issues.

In Level 2 of the Webinar, Lency will lay the foundation for "Enlightenment" and take participants through the self-annihilation process that slays the ego. In the final session she will give the energetic "downloads" for enlightenment and other steps on the way to God Realization and Oneness.

Each of the 8 sessions is an hour and a half to two hours long.
For more information about the series, please contact Hawaii@chuckandlencyspezzano.com.

TUITION:

Enlightenment & Beyond-Level 1 "Joining" ($200 USD)

Enlightenment & Beyond-Level 2 "Enlightenment" ($200 USD)

Enlightenment & Beyond-Level 1 & 2 ($400 USD)

PLEASE NOTE:

By registering for the Ascension Webinar series, I agree to keep the recordings that I access or receive confidential, and will not share them with, or show them to any other persons.

TO PURCHASE:

To purchase recordings of the Enlightenment & Beyond Webinar series, please complete this secure online form:

Click Here to Purchase Enlightenment & Beyond

We will process your payment and provide access to a Private Page on Chuck and Lency's website where you can view the Enlightenment & Beyond Webinar Series from your computer.

For more information or assistance, please email the Hawaii Office at Hawaii@chuckandlencyspezzano.com or call 1-808-239-4502 during normal Hawaii business hours. Thank you! =)

Lenora also has a Youtube preview of Enlightment & Beyond--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJTpkQ6R4oQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJTpkQ6R4oQ)

Part two--

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Ascension

Through Life-Theme Resolution

Lency Webinar Series

In the Ascension webinar series, Lency Spezzano will be sharing her perspective of what is going on for us personally and collectively in this very important vibrational process here on planet Earth, and delivering her cutting edge healing work.

Lency has recently made huge breakthroughs in identifying and resolving the great life theme issue that we now have the unprecedented opportunity to complete. It is a very important moment in human history. Those of us who are doing this work are pioneers who have chosen to clear our personal unconscious minds ahead of the collective in order to usher in the collective dimensional shifts that are available for the first time in history.

Lency will assist us in resolving the life-theme issues that are presently with us as well as vibrating within us from other incarnations, in order to shift our awareness to accelerating levels of reality, and guide us into the experience of harnessing its potential. It is an exciting time to be alive!

Each of the 4 sessions is an hour and a half to two hours long.
For more information about the series, please contact Hawaii@chuckandlencyspezzano.com.

PRE-REQUISITE:

This is an advanced level course that is only open to people who have worked with Lency in 2011 or 2012 in a 5 day or 10 day program or have completed her Enlightenment Webinar Series. It will only be available in English.

TUITION:

Tuition is $200 USD ...

Lenora also has a Youtube preview of Ascension Through Life-Theme Resolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8P-QS9ZWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf8P-QS9ZWw)

Part three--

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Life in the 5th Dimension

Lency Webinar Series


Note from Lency:

"Hi guys! Huge breakthroughs have been happening in my seminars - actually pulling people out of the 3rd and 4th dimensional grid systems to energetically experience life in 5 D - my best strategy for bringing light to the collective. There is wonderful feedback! [See right hand column.]

"I will offer another webinar series titled Life in the 5th Dimension as preparation for leading the way in the planetary birth the last 11 days of 2012.

"If you are interested, but haven't done the prerequisite training, the earlier webinars are offered as recordings (for beginners, a total of 12 two hour sessions), and the new ones will be available also. For information or registration please email our Hawaii Office at Hawaii@chuckandlencyspezzano.com."

xxxxxxL

Each of the 4 sessions is an hour and a half to two hours long. For more information about the series, please contact Hawaii@chuckandlencyspezzano.com.

PRE-REQUISITE:

This is an advanced level course that is only open to people who have completed both:

-"Joining" and "Self annihilation/Enlightenment" work (available through Enlightenment & Beyond or completed with Lency in 2011 or 2012 in a 5 day or 10 day program)

-"life-theme resolution work" (available through Asension: Through Life-Theme Resolution)

It will only be available in English. Apologies to non-English speakers.

TUITION:

$200 USD ...

Part four--

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God Is

Lency Webinar Series


The "God Is" webinar will utilize Lency's latest healing technique called Flying. Flying is different from previous healing techniques in that flying starts with the miracle.  From the blissful state of the miracle, emotions can be bailed and tremendous healing can be accomplished-all from a state of "flying in the miracle."

Flying with Lency:

My first Flight with Lency was so impressive that it took me a long time for the return and the landing.

I was in a Space of total Love and I was Fearless. Only Light and a very high Energy. No judgement only Joy and Happiness. This new awareness followed on many more small flights whith Lency and after that I learned to make small flights by myself into this very high conciousness called 5th Dimension. This is a beginning of a journey into En..light..ment. I am so grateful for this experience, because being a Spiritual Warrior who seeks only for the Truth this is the place to get connected.

This is the Dimension where we come from and where we long to come back to!

It is possible to realize this now and here on this earth and where we are living now in the 3d Dimension. Thank you for this experience, Lency.

xxxxLove you.
L.G.


Each of the 4 sessions is about an hour and a half to two hours long. For more information about the series, please contact Hawaii@chuckandlencyspezzano.com.

PRE-REQUISITE:

This is an advanced level course that is only open to people who have completed:

-"Joining" and "Self annihilation/Enlightenment" work (available through Enlightenment & Beyond or completed with Lency in 2011 or 2012 in a 5 day or 10 day program)

-"life-theme resolution work" (available through Asension: Through Life-Theme Resolution or completed with Lency in 2013 in a 5 day or 10 day program)

-"5th dimension" work (available through Life in the 5th Dimension)

It will only be available in English. Apologies to non-English speakers.

TUITION:

$200 USD ...

Grand total fee for the entire series, $1000. This is quite a deal considering Charles Lee Spezzano charges more than that for an hour of his time for personal consultations.

I like Sturmboe's idea of having the Spezzanos present something like this webinar series to a conference of real professional psychologists. Oh man, wouldn't that be fun to watch?



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on May 27, 2014, 07:40:52 pm
From Lency's web site on a page titled "Sillier Stuff" http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/sillier-stuff/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/sillier-stuff/)

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Are Chuck And Lency Connected with The Inner Healing Movement?  No.

Yet in the minutes of a neighborhood board meeting in 2003:

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CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT (CUP), WAIHEE PLACE –Peggy Chang and Consultant Geoffery Paterson representing Dr. Chuck and Lency Spezzano presented the following:

1) Spezzano and Associates is applying for a Conditional Use Permit Minor, to permit a meeting facility on their property located at Kaneohe, Hawaii 96744, which is the permanent home of Dr. Chuck and Lency Spezzano.
...
3) The existing barn is currently used as the headquarters for their worldwide networking in the field of Inner Healing.

http://www1.honolulu.gov/refs/nco/nb29/03/29augmin.htm (http://www1.honolulu.gov/refs/nco/nb29/03/29augmin.htm)

Maybe the Spezzanos would argue that their own reps didn't know what they were talking about? Although "worldwide networking in the field of Inner Healing" sounds pretty specific and purposeful to me.

Also on the new site:

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Of the thousands of First Nations people that we have served in those pro bono seminars (a large percentage of whom were residential school survivors), Chuck and I have never received feedback that suggested we hurt anyone.

http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/are-the-spezzanos-targeting-first-nations-or-other-indigenous-peoples-metis-inuit-or-native-americans-for-financial-gain/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/are-the-spezzanos-targeting-first-nations-or-other-indigenous-peoples-metis-inuit-or-native-americans-for-financial-gain/)

Apparently the Spezzanos have not watched this yet: http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/12/plastic-healers/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/12/plastic-healers/) Part of this video involves the Spezzanos, several people state that POV is irresponsible and unsafe.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 28, 2014, 03:48:10 am
Hi Piff. Just today this was posted on Internet in German:

http://krisenbegleiter.wordpress.com/tag/chuck-spezzano/ (http://krisenbegleiter.wordpress.com/tag/chuck-spezzano/)

Google English translation:

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Book Recommendation: Chuck Spezzano - awaken the inner healing powers

May 27, 2014 Leave a comment

Behind our illnesses, relationship and life problems very often stuck unconscious and subconscious life patterns. This can be seen in all its depth and resolve to lead a healthy and fulfilling life, to which loads the new book by Chuck Spezzano a. The special feature of this new masterpiece is here that the reader insights, methods and techniques find that originate from Spezzanos immediate, over 35 years of therapeutic work. This book provides vivid knowledge and vital wisdom with very practical methods and exercises. A wholesome counselor and wise companion on the journey to the self, to better health, happiness and joy of life.

SBN: 978-3-86616-259-4 256 pages
Hardcover
1st Edition
Price: 19,95 EUR

Filed under News Tagged with Chuck Spezzano , healing powers

To say POV is not part of the Inner Healing Movement, one would expect Lenora means in a narrow sense the organisation based on the philosophy of Agnes Sanford. So they can be involved in the field of inner healing without being part of the Inner Healing Movement, see? Just like they can call their corporation "Psychology of Vision" without being psychologists. Or constantly use the terms "Oneness Blessing," "Deeksha," and "Oneness" after condemning Oneness University, where they attended and gained much of their current theological terminology, one of their "two greatest inspirations" in fact.

The Spezzanos are real masters at lifting terms and repackaging the ideas of others that don't really belong to them and then become offended when the original connections are pointed out.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on May 29, 2014, 07:31:38 am

Quote: "That Chuck and I have falsified our educational background information; ...; that we damage vulnerable people in our seminars in assorted terrible ways; "

Well Chuck Spezzona is a psychologist, he got the right to carry this title with his name. Why he does not do this in the most of his books, I don´t know. Does he fear the reactions of his colleague? His books are no medical books, they are guidebooks, medical guidbooks - but guidebooks. And also psychlogists can work not in a correct way, a graduation is not a guarantee for a good educated work.

People can be damaged in seminars, this is always possible. Maybe Spezzona can regignize this, maybe not.


Quote "So, to return to the videos, which focus on one form of joining, the reason I ask for that assistance is because I, like most people, am “right eyed” in the same way that I, like most people, am right handed. So, if the person looks into my left eye, which is not my dominant eye, we aren’t really looking straight at each other."
Do we need a dominant eye to starre effectley at someone? Just the presence of a person in a room can make you feel growing stiff. There are other aspects too: To be freezed for your inner heavy wish to reach something, if you don´t reach it, you are disappointed, ... don´t know, if you can stand this by anylonger, ...

Quote: "With both of the other person’s eyes looking into my right eye, I can look back into their left eye, the “window of the soul, to see their pain; this is physically evident in the pupil of the eye, which takes a different aperture according to what the person is feeling."
The reaction of a pupil depends on many factors, to reduce this to a simple feeling of the soul is bullshit, this is not  physically evident. To feel what another person feels is possible, but you must be clearly on youself, that this feeling is maybe your own feeling, maybe it is this, what someone really feels. You can work with this, but this is a tightrope walk to accept the limit / boundery of the other person and not to cross. POV cross the limit, this is that what I see in their videos, for me on my own this is not acceptable.

Quote: "As the pain surfaces, it opens up the issue to be healed, washing out the pain and suffering, until only the joy of the experience of Oneness with God remains. It is a universal experience."
Not every pain which is coming up is ready for heal. This is false, for some people dangerous if they decompensate.

Quote: "With a little practice, as each person is relating to the other, it’s possible to read his or her painful life process like a book, recognizing we are the same and we are all connected."
It is really ok, to read in someone like in an open book? To person who are vulnerable, not protected? To look straight in someones eyes could let a person freezing and he is not more able to react autonomically, unable to change on his own the situation he wants to flight off. And it is not a little practice to understand a person in a psychologically way.

Quote "Life’s pain and suffering just waits until the conscious mind is willing to register and acknowledge its existence."
Bullshit, not every person can say on his own, if he is strong and stabilized enough to stand by his inner feeling of the life - experiences he had in his life. Sometimes it is better, somone tells this vulnerable person, not to go further to his conscious or subconscious. Not everybody can controll what is coming up. It is not ok to be in this way dependent from Spezzona.

Quote "Chuck has never claimed that he can cure any illness, and would never discourage anyone from seeking medical treatment."
Well, but Chuck S. said in his video, all deseases can be healed, also Aids, cancer, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc
This is false.

Quote: "The bloggers claim that us looking at the metaphors of illness with people (similar to Louise Hay’s work) is actually us blaming them for having their symptoms. This, of course, would have no value for the client – blaming a person for their illness is completely counterproductive to their healing and wellbeing. Taking accountability, on the other hand, gives the client power in their life."
Blaming is one way POV uses, in their keys of healing they are written. Well, I know some of them as old tradition sentences. There are phases people with deseases, like cancer look for their guilt, "because  an innocent person couldn´t get this illness, ..." and POV ditch in this cavity. And POV use a transforming from physical issues into psychological issues. You cannot transform it, but they are a way to look  for something forgotten or lokk for different ways to understand people with mental issues better, but they never claimed up to a diagnosis.

Spezzona fend off that they harm people, if they had done this, they have would known this by response.
As educated in psychology they should know very well, that harmed people maybe don ´t tell them, what POV have done. If this people were asked, if something is wrong, they smile at you, tell you brightly "Oh no, it is all ok. You are great." What should they tell, when they don´t find in their inner the words about what is going on in their inner? And maybe ist is better to keep silence. Or maybe they are fading out, there is something going wrong, because this could not be, .... And some reactions are coming late, so late, that these people have no more a connection to POV in their mind.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 30, 2014, 01:22:03 am
In the 2010 Can AIDS Be Healed Youtube, as Sturmboe says, Charles Lee Spezzano does indeed give the impression he can cure and/or heal cancer, AIDS, and Myasthenia gravis. The victims are to blame, of course. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlx4hkT8OTc)

Here are some selected quotes:

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I've worked with a number of things where there was supposedly incurable cancers, I've worked twice with AIDS where it went down to HIV and in one case completely disappeared, where the people became naturally healthy again. I've worked with Myasthenia gravis where it is supposedly incurable and that was cured.

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Basically an illness is a conflict in the mind, conflict in relationships that has been displaced on to the body ... We take out on our bodies what is subconscious in our minds.

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Some of the research around cancer at six to eighteen months before the onset of cancer there's been a significant trauma with someone close to them.

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Just recently worked with someone, I did the last session this morning where we had thirteen sessions together, and their AIDS went to HIV and completely disappeared.

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I got started with this because a good friend of mine who was in her late sixties when I was a young man, she had this inoperable cancer. She had a tumour as big as a rugby ball. And in one healing exercise in a workshop it went from the size of a rugby to the size of a softball.

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There's no problem, physically or any kind of problem that doesn't come from some form of guilt.

On the APTN Investigates exposé of SALPOV last November, Charles in a phone interview made the following somewhat disingenuous statement to journalist Rob Smith--

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/12/plastic-healers/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/12/plastic-healers/)

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I don't make the statement that I heal cancer, people heal themselves or they don't heal themselves.

We also see Spezzano's old Catholic guilt trip coming to the surface again, which is also a major component of the blame-the-victim Healing Metaphors, by Spezzano with co-author Janie Patrick/Ticehurst.

Here is their take on AIDS--

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AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome)

This disease means our body has lost its ability to fight off infection. Infection by the HIV virus has caused serious damage to our immune system.

Normally our immune systems produce antibodies to fight off foreign agents but, because we have a poorly functioning immune system, ‘opportunistic infections’ take advantage and infect the body.

The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.

At some level, we experience an inability to receive or give help. We are caught in a trap of indulgence, martyrdom or rebellion, rather than leadership.

The martyrdom takes the form of not receiving help and at the same time criticizing parents, family and society’s ability to give.

Yet, we are ignoring our vocation, refusing to heed the call to giving, to leadership, purpose, vision and not allowing ourselves to have all the help and comfort we crave.

Suggested Exercises:
Purpose
Forgiveness

And here is their take on cancer--

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Cancer

Cancer involves the transformation of healthy functioning cells into malignant, or harmful, cells. The altered cells transfer faulty information to their offspring, and the cancerous cells grow in an abnormal and destructive way.

Cancer is the embodiment of self-directed anger. It reflects a place of guilt and self-attack.

A traumatic situation with a significant other will have taken place between six and eighteen months before the onset of the cancer.

At some level, it is an attack on another through self-harm. It highlights that we have a need to give that has gone wild, or is completely misplaced, in addition to a fear of our purpose.

Cancer reflects a fear of the next chapter in our life and a fear of major or radical change for the better.

Tumors encapsulate our repressed anger, malice and conflicting, hidden belief systems.

We are trying to shelter our pain or disappointment and are attempting to hold back negative self-beliefs and evil self-concepts. These mistaken beliefs and self-concepts stem from unresolved emotional fractures and broken hearts.

We can get more information about our particular cancer by cross-referencing the information in this section with the body part affected.

For example, if we have cancer of the stomach then we know that our anger is also about our ability to accept, integrate, receive and be nurtured. It may also reflect aspects of introjection, (swallowing others emotional pain).

Suggested Healing Keys:
Purpose
Truth

As pointed out earlier on this forum, the American Cancer Society weighed in on the Spezzano/Ticehurst view of cancer, and I am sure they would say the same thing about the above Youtube.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37041#msg37041 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37041#msg37041)

Here is part of what the ACS said--

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As you may know, researchers have done many studies to see if there is a link between personality, stress, and cancer. No scientific evidence has shown that a person’s personality or outlook can affect their cancer risk. This information can be found at the link below:

> Questions People Ask About Cancer:
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancerbasics/questions-people-ask-about-cancer

The Society often reaches out to organizations when we see something we think is not right, not fair, or not productive to the fight against cancer; however, we cannot do this in every case. That's why we rely on people like you, our supporters, to help us.

Your words can mean more than you might think. As a volunteer organization, we know well the power of the public to change the course of cancer. Therefore, we encourage you to personally contact those who give platforms to Chuck Spezzano and others when you want to express your opinion. Together, we can make a difference.

If physical healing is among the products being marketed by the retail spirituality corporation of SALPOV, I think they need to hire a professional public relations person, because they are sending out mixed messages. As it is their merchandise is filled with flaws.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on May 31, 2014, 06:26:47 pm
Today I found another bit of Oneness University evidence the Spezzanos neglected to erase online when they tried to rewrite their own history a few months ago and pretend the place was never one of their two greatest inspirations. This small data tidbit acted as a lever to enable me to go on a ramble afield through the mire of Spezzano and Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision (SALPOV). So here goes.

You'll notice in Lenora Kay Spezzano's The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision she is very vague about the SALPOV broken love affair with OU. No dates are given, no particulars, no specifics on what the "number of reasons" were--

http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-is-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-psychology-of-vision-and-oneness-university/
 (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-is-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-psychology-of-vision-and-oneness-university/)

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What Is The Nature of The Relationship Between Psychology of Vision And Oneness University?

There is no relationship between the two organizations. Some of us attended healing programs there years ago, but for a number of reasons it felt true to me to distance Psychology of Vision from Oneness U. For about a year after making that decision, I stated in my seminars that I did not recommend that people attend their programs.

"Felt true to me." What does that mean? To say there is no relationship between SALPOV and OU is simply not true. This is yet another Lenora whitewash, to put it politely. Until early this year, Oneness University was still touted on SALPOV websites as one their two greatest inspirations and listed on Charles Lee Spezzano's LinkedIn profile. After 2007 OU terminology and philosophy became woven forever into SALPOV dogma. There will always be a relationship between the two. To correct it, SALPOV will have to offer a rebate to former clients who were vulnerable or gullible enough to sign up post-2007 and then Charles and Lenora will have to rewrite their whole gospel, finding some other intellectual property to rob. From what I can see, OU is alive and well inside the core of SALPOV. Let's hear it for "Oneness" and "deeksha" and "blessing giver"!

Concerning SALPOV's integration of Oneness University into their product, a corporation with integrity would've said, yes, we made a mistake, we are sorry, we learned. Please accept this rebate. But SALPOV attempted to cover it up. And now, only after being exposed do they begin to admit any sort of problem. And, as the pattern goes, the first response is pretty glossed over and unacceptable. The second step will be to blame underlings and others, as they have already done with other issues such as the UK POV website continuing to maintain that Charles is actually a psychologist.

I mention this because OU dogma is being passed as part of the bogus SALPOV healing to the people of Haida Gwaii thanks to the missionary work of the Spezzanos and their cult followers. SALPOV personnel on Haida Gwaii who advertise themselves as "blessing givers" and toss around "Oneness" like some sort of wonderful goal are really promoting OU covered with a thin SALPOV veneer. If SALPOV really thinks OU is bad, then they need to stop operations in BC since the OU philosophy remains intact in the SALPOV curriculum. The Spezzanos robbed the philosophy of one culture, repackaged it, and are now imposing it on another culture.

During the whole 2012 Mayan calendar scare, which was the New Age equivalent of the Y2K panic, the Spezzanos did their best to cash in that trend. Part of that included a rare visit to the mainland United States in a joint workshop with Guru Singh. It was held in the Los Angeles area in 2009--

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/next-evolution-mastery-of-heart-mind-spirit-tickets-362530338 (https://www.eventbrite.com/e/next-evolution-mastery-of-heart-mind-spirit-tickets-362530338)

Guru Singh and his complicated connections with the Spezzanos have been mentioned by Piff a couple times in this forum. Apparently, unlike the Spezzanos, Guru Singh has no problem being associated with Oneness University and his connection with the place is all over Internet. As an aside he also appears to have a more coherent and well-managed organisation than SALPOV.

The Next Evolution promotional material included some Youtubes from Guru Singh, Lenora Spezzano, and Charles Lee Spezzano. The emphasis is on their partnership and how they fit well together--

http://www.youtube.com/user/nextevolution2009/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/nextevolution2009/videos)

My favorite video is from Charles, please note the image at 1:55--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTQ6v6zIVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTQ6v6zIVM)

Pictures speak louder than words, so they say.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 01, 2014, 06:58:18 am
Chuck S. does not claim that it can cure diseases, neither cancer nor AIDS. He tells that in the period in which the meetings or treatments took place, there was a cure. He claimes that every desease can be healed. When and how the healing process took place can not be specified on certain events or periods for sure. But indirectly it suggests to people that his treatments are involved in the healing processes without verifying this. Although he claims that the patient / client is to be healed from his own .... but it is up to the patient in his suggestion how CS has opened the path for healing and how he has an effect on the healing process by the treatments, whatever this could mean, whatever the patient / client want to interpret or can.
This is quite diffuse, because the way of a cure for the client may not be tangible, and then not even comprehensible. If something goes wrong, maybe he can not trace back the date from the way ran in the wrong direction.
Spezzona suggest he helps people by explaining the facts, but this is no healing, it is superficial, it dissociates, ... some facts are false, ...

Spirituality is a very important aspect in healing for Spezzano . I agree with that . But spirituality develops individual, it may develop in the course of treatment at the end, maybe not. But not at he beginning of a treatment. Spezzano forces this process by taking place from the outside. Here is the danger that clients will not have a authentic relationship to itself and a spirituality, they will asking for more external help and way of life, for more spirituality, to those form of lifes they have no real connection. This can be a prepared ground for an abuse of Native American ceremonies and healing practices, especially in this case, Spezzona has connection to Haida Gwai, the contact can mislead people to misunderstand Spezzona got authentic relationship to Native Americans.

In the bookshop Lehmann 's can be read in books under " look inside the book ." Some are in English
http://www.lehmanns.de/search/quick?q=spezzona

I have read into some , with the good will to find there positives. But, heavens , is there a bullshit inside, and that of a psychologist. Unbelievable . Creepy .... This is not a professional help, he wants to bring with his books to the people. This can be dangerous ...


Well, since Spezzona claims that cancer is curable, that any disease can be cured, the following book surely he knows, a good basis on Oncology: http://www.amazon.de/Die-Onkologie-Epidemiologie-Pathogenese-Grundprinzipien/dp/3540646485/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401602184&sr=1-9
In the various diseases of cancer, the treatment results should be uncountable under his guidance .....
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 01, 2014, 01:22:42 pm
Found this on the Down 2 Earth Psychic Centre webpage. It does help when one tries to categorise where Psychology of Vision belongs in the world of science (bold emphasis is mine)--

www.down2earthpsychic.net/practitioners-are-go/ (http://www.down2earthpsychic.net/practitioners-are-go/)

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Practitioners are GO!
By Anni3 On May 27, 2014

It’s been a very busy couple of months at the Down 2 Earth Psychic Centre to say the least! Annie Conboy has been joined by some very talented practitioners to offer something for the body, mind, emotions & spirit for everyone. As well as treatments, workshops, counselling and meditation groups there is a lovely library space to sit & enjoy a cuppa with cake. In June the Centre is also expanding it’s activities with Reiki share sessions & a ‘Time Out With Baby’ group.

The passion to collaborate & offer services in a holistic way has brought everyone together. Each practitioner understands that we are energy beings & that when our energies get out of balance we may need a range of supportive services to help us make sense of & rebalance our energy. Along the way we also tackle the ‘big’ questions like why am I here, why is this happening to me, what can I do about my life & is there still guidance & support from loved ones who are no longer with us. Whatever question, circumstance or challenge, the practitioners have techniques & services that can help. So if you are interested in your spiritual development or the afterlife, would like some Reiki, Crystal or Spirit healing, a hands on therapy like reflexology or Indidan Head massage please call in & see us.

Working in the Centre we have:

Annie Conboy, Intuitive Medium & Psychic offers Spirit, Aura, Past Life & Card readings; Awakening & Down2Earth Workshops on a variety of topics; Reiki or Spirit Healing; Development, Trance & Open Circles. Find out more at www.gia-ltd.co.uk

Kay Austerberry, Reiki Master, EFT & Emotion Code Practioner. Spiritual Medium.Find out more on her FaceBook page.

Sue Brooks, Aromatherapy, Equine Touch & Natural Horsemanship

Helen Lasham, Counselling, Bach Flower Remedies
 
Maxine McKeown, Shamanic Wayshower & Animal Communicator

Catherine Ritchie, Crystal Healer & Angelic Reiki Practitioner. For more info about her therapies please visit her web site.

Helen Speak, Psychology of Vision Trainer

Caroline Tiler-Ansell, Reflexologist, Massage (including Indian Head massage & Sports massage), Aromatherapy. There is more info on her FaceBook page.

To be fair, Speak is apparently not a current SALPOV trainer (she is not listed on the UK present website), and, if true, according to the Trainers Manual should not be be advertising herself as such. What I find interesting is that Psychology of Vision fits right in there with practices associated more with the paranormal than with hard sciences and it is accepted as a good fit.

As Grifters Hotel always said, our problem with SALPOV is about behavior, not belief. If SALPOV wants to embrace a New Age clientele that is fine, but the very name of their corporation is misleading. They are not licensed professionals in the field of psychology or mental health. Their "research" is not subject to scrutiny in academic journals. They are accountable to no one. And as we have learned, everything they say needs to be fact-checked.

Perhaps the time has come for APTN to broadcast a second, follow-up investigation, starting with the First Nations Fund chapter from the 2013 German POV Trainers Manual , because the one thing SALPOV does seem scientific about is how they target the FN audience.


http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 03, 2014, 03:26:49 am
Lenora Kay Spezzano's coverage of the dark 2004 Tipaldi episode in her recent online defense of SALPOV is very interesting--

http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-happened-in-2004-with-the-state-of-hawaii-regarding-chucks-status-as-a-psychologist/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-happened-in-2004-with-the-state-of-hawaii-regarding-chucks-status-as-a-psychologist/)

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What Happened in 2004 with The State of Hawaii Regarding Chuck’s Status As A Psychologist?

Nothing at all. We were marginally involved with a custody battle many years before, in that we wrote letters of support for a woman in relation to the child custody case with her ex-husband. The ex-husband’s lawyer claimed that, because our Psychology of Vision logo was on our stationary, that the logo meant we were both claiming to be licensed psychologists; so the judge ruled our letters were inadmissible, even though Chuck signed his letter “Chuck Spezzano, Ph.D., M.F.C.C.” and I signed “Lency Spezzano, M.Sc.” As it turned out, our letters did not figure into the final outcome, because the judge ruled in favor of the wife anyway.

The woman in question now lives in Hawaii and remains a SALPOV devotee. And whoever that judge was who ruled the Spezzano letters were not allowed  knew a fake when he or she saw one.

Notice Lenora did not address the APTN data presented both in their broadcast and in text--

http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/ (http://aptn.ca/news/2013/11/09/couple-questions-alternative-healing-groups-activities-haida-gwaii/)

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The other group being discussed in Haida Gwaii is Psychology of Vision. Despite its name, the two founders Lency and Chuck Spezzano are not psychologists.

In fact, Charles Spezzano was fined in 2004 for acting like a psychologist while not being licensed by the state of Hawaii.

Chuck Spezzano told APTN Investigates that because he works internationally he doesn’t need to be licensed. He said he is not a psychologist and calls himself “a coach.”

But he says the work he does is indeed psychology.

And she also did not address this charge from the unfortunate Mr. Tipaldi himself--

http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html (http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/steve1.html)

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I declare that all allegations of abuse are incorrect and false. Almost without exception all alleged allegations that have been made against me are a result of the children’s mother using fraudulent documents that are contained in the record of this case by Chuck Spezzano, Lency Spezzano, Katherine Snow Davis, Christine Snow, and Cindy Yanover. All of these individuals supplied written documents that were entered into the record by Sarah Carpini. All these individuals claimed in their individual documents they were licensed professional to practice in the area of Psychology, Marriage and Family Therapists or Social Workers. All of these individuals were personal friends of Sarah Carpini. The attached documents are from the State of Hawaii Licensing division for said alleged professionals showing these individuals were in fact not licensed. See exhibits C, pages 1 through 9. The licensing division in Hawaii did in fact take action against these individuals. Also see order from Judge Watanabe, Fifth Circuit, State of Hawaii. I had never been or was not abusive or a threat, Exhibit C, pages 10 through 13, Guardian Ad Litem report, Exhibit C, pages 14 through 20, and Affidavit by Alena Tyler, Exhibit C, pages 21 through 24.

I declare that there is a document in the record by Chuck Spezzano, claiming to have seen me as a patient in a professional capacity. I declare that at no time have I or had I been a patient of Mr. Spezzano. Mr. Spezzano’s document paints a very negitive [sic] picture of me.

...

November 1995

Mother introduces additional documents into record by individuals, one claiming to be a licensed psychologist who claims to have seen the father in a professional manner, which is disputed.

Note:  There are letters from the state of Hawaii DCCA that all of the individuals were not licensed and action has been taken against them for these letters. On 4/26/2004, I personally spoke with, the attorney for the state of Hawaii Denise.P.Balanay@dcca.hawaii.gov who is taking action against, RE: PSY 2003-5-U - Chuck Spezzano who claimed to be a licensed psychologist in a letter that is in the record of this case that had been produced into the record by the mother. Ms. Balanay stated to me that because this is an on going case there was not much she could do at this point to further help the father without jeopardizing her case against Mr. Spezzano. She informed me that she would talk with her supervisor to see what more she could do to help the father.

Tipaldi accused Charles Lee Spezzano of lying. So we have a professional journalist and dead man presenting an alternative view of Lenora's version of events.

Given Lenora's track record so far on sticking to reality ("This world is actually a dream, it is an illusion. The same thing is said by quantum physicists."--Lenora Kay Spezzano in "Healing the Great Wars Download"), I'm siding with a professional journalist from APTN and Tipaldi himself.

Steve Tipaldi 1954-2004.

http://www.kimberry.com/tipaldi/

He died. That was not a dream or illusion. 



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on June 04, 2014, 08:33:29 pm
Lency Spezzano says she has never heard any complaints about POV seminars. Either she is not listening, or is lying, or both. Serious concerns and complaints are available, including in the APTN episode "Plastic Healers", here on this forum, and elsewhere.

If Chuck and Lency truly cared about people, once they heard that some participants feel suicidal, they would stop what they are doing. Because safety should come first. POV is not safe.

Lency claims:

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The PoV First Nations Fund has brought $1.5 million USD of resources to British Columbia to support First Nations in their healing over the past 20 years.

I'd like to see a detailed list of those "resources". Is she referring to seminars?

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The First Nations Fund

The First Nations Fund was created to support the healing of First Nations so they can teach & inspire their own communities. Financial contributions have been generously donated from each country where Psychology of Vision is taught around the world. Since its inception the First Nations Fund has successfully graduated 19 First Nations people from the 100 day program, and 9 of these graduates have become FN Trainers around BC.

http://povcanada.com/first-nations/ (http://povcanada.com/first-nations/)

Success From The Inside Out – For First Nations Customized Coaching and Training http://21stcenturydynamics.com/success-from-the-inside-out-for-first-nations/ (http://21stcenturydynamics.com/success-from-the-inside-out-for-first-nations/)

Lency characterizes critics as malicious, lying attackers. Her supporters are being rallied to step up and provide glowing testimonials. Lency continues to act as a high demand group leader. She and Chuck continue to not pay heed to serious safety concerns.


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 05, 2014, 05:29:51 pm
Lency Spezzano says she has never heard any complaints about POV seminars. Either she is not listening, or is lying, or both. Serious concerns and complaints are available, including in the APTN episode "Plastic Healers", here on this forum, and elsewhere.

If Chuck and Lency truly cared about people, once they heard that some participants feel suicidal, they would stop what they are doing. Because safety should come first. POV is not safe.


They can never claim on there were never problems. Certainley there were problems, even problems they were not able to find a solution. To care about people with suicide issues is not easy, it is not ever claer if this person is vulnerable to attemped suicide or not .... maybe it is better Spezzonas close thier eyes and be deapth on their ears not to come clother to this difficult problem .... better they put themselve in a situiation never to be respnosible for what they are doing, for what will happen?????


If Chuck Spezzona has finished his study in psychology with a accredited Ph.d., he got a right to carry this title. There are rights to change the title from Ph.d to "doctor" or other way round, this is in different countries managed by state. The question is: Has Chuck Spezzona a right to treat as a Ph.d, as a psychologist in Hawaii? Is his profession in Hawaii accepted by Hawaian state? If it is accepted, he can work as a psychologist in Hawaii. And than he will be responsible for all what he is doing in his treatment with his clients. But maybe his profession is not accepted, maybe he needs some education or special examination to get his profession recognized, maybe he needed to study again? I don´t know, how is the law in Hawaii. If Spezzona finished with Ph.d he is a psychologist, he is allowed to carry this title, definitley. Ana also he can lost his accredition by state, if he makes fatale mistakes.
Whatever happened, this part is dubious. I don´t know what really happened, that this thema "psychologist or not" raised up to a problem which won´t be clearified by Spezzona at least.

But this sentence: "Chuck Spezzano told APTN Investigates that because he works internationally he doesn’t need to be licensed. He said he is not a psychologist and calls himself “a coach.” is false. It doesn´t matter if you work internationally, if you work in a country as a psychlogist you need to be accepted by state in this country where you work.
As a coach, if this is not a recognized profession Chuck Spezzona could be in the position not to be responsible by state for his ttreatments  and for its results. If a client is harmed by Spezzona and he tries to file charges on Spezzona, maybe the law say: If he doesn´t work as a psychologist there is nothing we can do against him. In this way Spezzona has assured himself not to be jugded by state. But I don´t know if my thought is correct.
This way would not be ethically and it is not an psychologically accepted in my opinion.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 06, 2014, 02:23:35 am
At the time Charles Lee Spezzano graduated with his Ph. D., which was not even in clinical psychology, his school was not accredited by the APA. In many cases in the USA having an unaccredited degree is worthless in the job market. So, he is not licensed in Hawaii to practice psychology and might not be granted this privilege even if he applied for a license, given his flawed degree. In probably all of the United States, he could be fined, like he was in 2004, for presenting himself as a psychologist.

Charles, Lenora Kay Spezzano, and cult-follower Julian Ticehurst have all gone on record admitting Charles is not a psychologist. It seems to me that the very name of their "Psychology of Vision" organisation is very misleading. If your water pipes were bad and you saw a corporation called "Plumbing with Vision" you would expect the staff to be qualified plumbers, right? And if it turned out  they were not, you would feel scammed. The Spezzanos are not professionals in the mainstream sense of the word. And neither are the diminishing number of SALPOV trainers. This is a cult, not a true medical healing enterprise.

But yes, he can use the title "Dr." as any Ph. D. in the USA can, no matter what the degree was in, like theatre, education, agriculture, etc. His use of the title cannot be considered a medical one.

In using the "coach" description he has found a very convenient way to circumvent the law in order to be accountable to no one while creating havoc in the lives of vulnerable people and accumulating vast sums of money (e.g. charging over $1000 an hour for personal consultations).

Notice that SALPOV has hardly any presence in the USA, their home country. Why is that, do you suppose?

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 07, 2014, 08:32:34 pm
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Is Chuck Spezzano A Psychologist?

If you read Chuck’s resume section on this website, you will know that he holds a Ph.D. in psychology. I have never heard him refer to himself as a psychologist, and we have never advertised him as one, because that would require a psychologist’s license. We don’t edit the promotional material that PoV promoters and Trainers around the world create, as it is primarily in foreign languages. If some have been calling Chuck a psychologist instead of saying that he holds a Ph.D. in psychology, I’m sure it has been brought to their attention now.

--Lenora Kay Spezzano, The Truth About Chuck and Lency Spezzano and the Psychology of Vision

http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/is-chuck-spezzano-a-psychologist/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/is-chuck-spezzano-a-psychologist/)

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... I've worked as a psychologist for the U.S. Navy ...

--Charles Lee Spezzano at 0:37 in the YouTube Change Your Heart, Change the World

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszvvL-ksZs&list=PL3A0C019D53295DA6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wszvvL-ksZs&list=PL3A0C019D53295DA6)

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CHUCK SPEZZANO is one of the world’s leading psychologists and experts on relationships and personal growth therapy.

--Psychology of Vision UK website, which seemed to have no problem participating in the Oneness University data purge that took place all across various POV and related websites a few months ago, so one can assume Hawaii has influence over this mention as well.

http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250 (http://www.povevents.com/?doing_wp_cron=1385780754.2252640724182128906250)
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 07, 2014, 09:46:51 pm
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What Is The Nature of The Relationship Between Psychology of Vision And Oneness University?

There is no relationship between the two organizations. Some of us attended healing programs there years ago, but for a number of reasons it felt true to me to distance Psychology of Vision from Oneness U. For about a year after making that decision, I stated in my seminars that I did not recommend that people attend their programs.

--Lenora Kay Spezzano, The Truth About Chuck and Lency Spezzano and the Psychology of Vision


http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-is-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-psychology-of-vision-and-oneness-university/
 (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-is-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-psychology-of-vision-and-oneness-university/)

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Okay, so we're going to be having a joining session. In Psychology of Vision we're starting to call them "Oneness Sessions" now.

--Lenora Kay Spezzano, Psychology of Vision trailer, at about 6:36

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LfpuP_gGYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LfpuP_gGYo)

A wave of thanks to the individual who found and modestly shared this. This person has requested anonymity.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 08, 2014, 04:15:17 pm
He (Spezzona) graduated Cum Laude from Duquesne University (the best school in the U.S. for Existential Phenomenology, Which is where Humanistic Philosophy and Psychology come from) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in 1970, getting his Bachelor of Arts degree, with a double major in Philosophy and Psychology.
He received his Master of Arts degree in Sociology from Duquesne as well, in 1971. Hey what hired as a counselor and director of outreach at the Brashear Association, there in Pittsburgh in 1972. Later in 1972, Chuck moved to San Diego, California, to begin his Ph.D. into Counseling Psychology from the United States International University.
Chuck chose USIU Because They had the strongest Humanistic Psychology program he Could find in the U.S. at the time. (USIU and the California School of Professional Psychology joined in 2001 to form Alliant International University.) He graduated with his Ph.D. in 1977.

Whether Spezzano is a psychologist or not, the university, where he studied, could confirm or deny at least in which subjects he has his summa cum laude. I think the evidence could be provided to the public.

I think it is problematically to set a focus on the issue if he is probably not a psychologist, it could lead away from this matter what he is doing and why.

Even if he has a non-APA accredited degree, he can work with this university degree with a right to treat as a psychologist and he is allowed to call himself psychologist?
I guess, a lack of accredition does not mean that the diploma is not valid. Is the diploma valid and Spezzano has summa cum laude completed in psychology and philosophy, he has a Ph.D in these two subjects.
In which countries he get the right to work as a psychlogist is from country to country different.

But possibly C. Spezzona never wants to work as a psychologist just to avoid the responsibility?
L. Spezzona canvass clients with the fact, C. Spezzona is a psychologists. This makes confidence. But as a psychologist C. Spezzona is committed to be actually up - to - date informated, maybe proofed. I think, as a "coach" he does not. One fact, e. g. : Psycho - analysis by Freud is very often contraindicated for patients with traumatic stress. If Spezzona forces his patient to go more and more back in his own biography, he can commited a retraumatisation. As a psychologist he will be responsible. But as a "coach"? C. Spezzona never calls himself a psychologist, he always declare himself as a "coach". I suggest this is not conservativness.

One important question here is, in what extent Spezzano can be pressed charges and punished for a result of mistreatment and does he need to fear consequences or not?

For example, a patient accuses the "therapist" of a  failed treatment. What can happen, depending  in the function of the "therapist"? Does the "therapist" treat as a psychologist the patient with psychologically technics, the "therapist" needs to court accountable his treatments and he can be pressed charges and be punished.
Declare the "therapist" himself just as "Coach", maybe fixed in a treaty, and he treated in this function the patient, maybe he can be pressed charges in case of a false treatment, possible he needs
to a court order and has render an account of his treatment.
But does a "therapist" just acting as a "coach" needs to fear this? Could it be, that due to the legal situation he cannot be judicially pressed charges and punished as a "coach", due to the legal situation than the charges had to been dropped and he will not be responsible for his treatment, and thus he goes unpunished. Is this factual and legal position correct or wrong? I don´t know.

Here in Germany it is said - bitter: "The treatment indeed is gone wrong, but if you're so stupid, entrust yourself to a layman, it's you own fault, to trust in the so-called " Therapist ", he does not have a qualified knowledge to be able to treat you adequately and you will embark with a good faith on your own responsibility in his hands" The offender will not be able to be pressed charges. Shit happens.

How can a "therapist" use the result of the court in the public or in his organization? Just telling a bit of the truth to the public he can use the result (leading to false conclusions) as pressurizing medium (the business with fear, guilt and shame is profitable), as advertising, as a false acquittal or as a proof that his treatments were correct. The "Therapist" just needs to ignore some false comments / thoughts and doesn´t need to correct other one´s statements - and the "real true story" runs its way. Responsible for false conclusions? No.
His supporters don´t attack the "therapist´s" hand which feeds their wishes - and maybe an attack could strike back one day. Then in the same position as this patient?
Maybe it is said: There was no proof of  a guilt, the therapist could not be proven for a wrong treatment, therefore its treatment has been correctly "... and the blame lies with the patient. The "therapist" can manifest the guilt of the patient in the public just by keeping silence about the truth.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 08, 2014, 06:12:03 pm
here ia a link describing money making schemes, from reading about the great research about hoe PoV is set up and run in this forum, it looks like the spezzanos are great at deception and misleading the public from who and what they really are.
 when they say they help first nations in the rebirth of their culture, i can't help but think how insulting this is for any indian nation to see and read,here is another white man recreating indian culture and traditions to his diluted beliefs, people in their right minds say this spezzano and PoV is even a worse form of colonization of indian peoples than what was already done to them. people have come forward and tried to get help from one of the spezzanos, they do not want to hear anyones problems, i'm beginning to think the spezzanos at least know that they cannot help people that are having problems from their :workshops", not answering the call for help is one way of avoiding reality,remember they say nothing is real, it's all an illusion, when a person ends up in the emergency room from attempted suicide is not an illusion and is very real, when it's from problems from a pov workshop, that is very real too, yet the spezzanos would rather believe like in this actual case of someone asking an advanced trainer for help was told ... there is only one of us here, you're just telling a story and clised the door on her, yeh, these are the type of people we have to deal with when question or speak up about this high demand group,
when the spezzanos say they hold pro bono "workshops " for indian cultural Renaissance,they're full of shit about them being free, they bum money from people in other countries to pay for first nations PoV "teachings".they even have a first nations blanket dance video showing them bumming money..
 one of the things they say is indians have the answer to help world problems and we have to help them so people can learn from them, in essence..give us money and we'll go in and help save them. we all know that the spezzanos positioned some devotees in villages , some under the title of"advanced trainers"and 100 plus day grads that recruit for PoV.. some have important job positions and have used them to push PoV onto village citizens, indoctrinating them so they will be driven to teach PoV teachings so everyone will get along. this is why PoV is so dangerous to first nations, if PoV had they're way then the whole village would be PoV, this is absolutely nothing with any first nations culture. it amounts to nothing more than power, dominance and control of first nations people.
here is an interesting article that will help you make your own decisions whetere or not PoV fits into this scheme, personally i see the PoV "advanced trainers" set up described almost to a perfect fit here

http://www.financialindustryscam.com/mlm.htm#definition

 any one can call themselves a psychologist, but to be licensed is another story, the psychology licensing board of B.C. said chuck spezzano was nec=ver licensed in B.C. or Canada ... ever,. he can duck under the psychology licensing board laws if not registered. the spezzanos deny knowing about all the advertising about them where they're promoted and deceiving people that they're indeed licensed psychologists, if this is the cs=ase ,then they sure don't know how their business is run, but then these people seem to be masters of denial and another case of it's someone Else's fault yet again they are not accountable or responsible, how can they think there is only one of us here and we don't have to be accountable..
 the fact that is coming out about these spezzanos ...                                 
     some have spoken up asking for help, none was offered,
        the one fact the spezzanos neglect is
 
     THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OF US HERE
                 WE ALL HAVE A VOICE
              AND WE"RE SPEAKING UP.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 08, 2014, 06:37:02 pm
" any one can call themselves a psychologist"

In Germany you can call yourself a "psychologist" only when youre finished your study with a diploma. Without having a diploma and you call yourself a "psychologist" is betray. It is different in other countries?
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 08, 2014, 08:14:01 pm
in canada you have to be a licensed psychologist to legally practice psychology,  Dr. Amy Janeck from college of registered psychologists in bc stated that-chuck spezzano has never been licensed to  ever practice psychology in bc or canada, that's where the law comes in to protect people, there are people promoting and / or deceiving people that chuck is a psychologist in their puff talk advertisements to make him look legit to lure unsuspecting participants into signing up with PoV all from using misleading loaded jargon language
 as shown in this nafps forum.. psychology of vision isn't what they portray themselves to be to the public, this is why this nafps is so important, to help people to make better choices in seeking to making their lives better, sites with public education about harmful controversial groups is much needed because it's obvious that there are a lot of con and scam artists out there trying to take advantage of already vulnerable people.
 anyone can call themselves what ever in canada, its what they do with it that is what to watch out for, i don't understand why health canada doesn't take heed of these unlicensed psychologists and do something about them ?? i recently saw on the  tv canadien news that there was a crack down on unlicensed dentists in bc, why do they allow unlicensed psychologists to freely operate?? i bet you cannot get insurance for Pov.. as a matter of fact participants have to sign a form giving away their rights for medical coverage, i think because PoV is classified as experimental and no insurance would cover something experiemental anyway also they get you to sign waivers to free them from responsibility.. so it is truly buyer beware of these groups that don't have the well being of participants at the top of the list
 we need tougher laws in canada to stop these unethical people from taking advantage of someone trying to better their lives and taking resources meant for true healing.
these people that made a financial business to take advantage of vulnerable people amount to nothing more than cruel people, especially when they say it's the victims fault for "not getting it" and to get it ...come back next time, spend more money and try "getting it" this time,
it looks like PoV is set up so no one will ever get healed. they have to keep coming back to spend more money for the next "new" topic you need to get healed from ...chasing that rotten carrot on a big big stick, there is no instant quick fix to heal our mind, people have to do hard personal work for answers that are good for themselves to live better inside themselves, be careful of those cult leaders that will scoop up you and your own belief system and change it to their own indoctrination, you will not know this is even happening to you, be careful..
the spezzanos claim they don't target first nationd  but it is a documented fact that they do target first nations.
here is an admission by melissa meyer..she tell how she can teach rss pov so they can go back to their outlying village to teach PoV so everyone will "get along" ,how insulting this must be is to all first nations, getting saved by another white mans idea what is good for us savage indians

http://www.fnsds.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf

after a real licensed qualified hypnotherpist saw this promotional youtube  for PoV showing the haida woman getting "tuned up" by lency,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY
 her comment was this is nothing but stage hypnotism and babs stevens wants to be like lency so bad that she goes into her "trance" so fast is because she wants to be just like lency and wants to please her..to show how good she "gets it"

a medical doctor said they're trained to recognize brainwashing while in medical school and babs stevens is obviously being brainwashed in the lost original mind pov promotional youtube.

 he said before they couldn't say names,but now that this is out and has been on national tv and other forms of media he can say it's obvious that babs stevens is being brainwashed and this is nothing to do with healing as advertised by the psychology of vision advertisements.
there is this to add, anyone can talk with the rcmp about cults, the rcmp on haida gwaii have an open file about both chuck spezzano's psychology of vision because of the physical threats to people questioning,speaking up and haveing an opinion of PoV and the devotees the "participand=ts" didn't agree with, and there is an open file on erick gonzalez cult group - earth peoples united because of the illegal drug use, the helucenogenics erick doles out to his devotees are medicines when used properly and according to the tribes and cultures territories where the medicines grow, but erick gonzalez doles out copious amounts that disrespect the proper hab=ndling of the medicines and turns it into nothing more than recreational drug use and abuse,
the rcmp say everyone knows cults are bad for people and they need to be watched ,who knows what triggers are put into the "participants"? there have been extreme cases on tv with mass suicides and murders from participants in cults, people relate these crimes to big city problems but cults are far reaching , even to a far away remote place like haida gwaii,
i personally agree with the rcmp that these cults and "participants" need to be watched and made aware of, even stopped because the same "teachings" and indoctrinations are the same as in the big cities where people relate and associate the craziness and crimes committed from their cult involvement 
so what is to stop thes bad things from happening in a small place like haida gwaii ? some participants already showed the potential for extreme violence to protect PoV and their leader from anyone speaking up,what is the next level they maybe triggered to do ??, I'm glad the rcmp have a file on and are understanding what these groups of people really are.
 people really need to be protected, in more ways than just public education and informed consent about cults.
  it is a good sign that doctors, teachers real educated health care professionals and especially the help of the rcmp that this is a real problem and that there have been problems from peoples involvement with these cults that need to be properly addressed for everyones well being, not just the cult leaders well being of more financial gain with the means justifies the end results.that is what b=needs to be fixed up ... the means these people use to take control to gather people and their financial resources up.
 i would say police protection and knowledge about these groups along with people in professional and health positions are needed and welcome to help public education about harmful groups and tactics used by the advanced trainers and 100 plus day grads to influence prospective "participants" and family members.and to show what is being funded with government money..


buyer beware
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 10, 2014, 06:57:05 am
con and scam artists

C. Spezzona has some knowledge in psychology, possibly through a course of study or part study (canceled, not check deposited or only sporadically attended classes, I do not know). L. Spezzona is certainly
 trained by her husband, but has also attended courses at the school (but she did not mention which school it was and what kind of courses she attended).

That Spezzona have a basic knowledge, I see this at their behaviors and practices they "advise and coaches" to the people, their attitudes, beliefs, etc. For some of people it is difficult to detect this maybe.
There are some points in which I come to the realization that their psychological knowledge cannot only be easily make out in pieces in their image or is just learned from books. There is more behind. But they suggest for their goals a direction that leads psychologically astray ... but does it really - consciously - astray? Or perhaps it border on abuse and abuse of power? Just a con and scam artist?

Spezzonas bring in a variety of psychological areas especially vulnerable people, again and again in a helplessness and avail themselves of fear, guilt and shame, and shame is something that few people want to deal with, if it hurts too much, this is often when people have mental health problems. They act abusive, exceed the limits, ignore any signs that shows that a situiation for a human is really unbearable. This can be used to promote a dissociative behavior that  a client can use to come out of an for him intolerable situation. Unfortunately it is not even certain that the client can notice this "unbearable". And not everyone is able to flight ahead. A client can be caught in a situation, he responded again and again with the same patterns of behavior and can not step out on their own of this situation.

That which both propagate, their attitudes, their help and the way they forces on humans can lead to immense psychological damage, especially for psychologically vulnerable people.
I recognize a lot, but I have never experienced that this is used in that form .... used or abused? .... When I see what this can cause to human, thenmy stomach convulsing together, it makes me sick, I am appalled ..... but I'm actually still missing the right words that can describe the emerging feeling.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 11, 2014, 04:36:46 am
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

In Lenora Kay Spezzano's recent online attempt at spin control, she reveals that SALPOV does indeed have an "us vs. them" mentality. Her critics are painted as low-life character assassins while she and Charles Lee Spezzano are being so maliciously victimized and martyred for the cause of spiritual healing (cue up the "Bliss Music") as their motives are only pure and angelic. Oh my goodness, how terrible that these altruistic messengers are being so slandered, defamed, and subject to libel! Wow, we critics must be really bad people.

The concept of freedom of thought and speech and presenting very inconvenient researched data must be regarded as social insubordination for Lenora. Until we came along, the SALPOV cult followers and possible recruits were easier to manage. But now those poor sods who subscribe to the dogma are exposed to *gasp!* critical questions and observations that SALPOV cannot control as we threaten the corporation's profit margin, which is what all of Lenora's hand-wringing is about. Remember, we are dealing with an American who has never known a life outside of wealth and a sense of entitlement. We are regarded by Lenora as the rabble, the riff-raff, the muckrakers, the troublemakers, the proletarian, the street people, the undesirables, the wage-slaves, the cultural marginals, the uppity lower classes who could never afford to pay the high fees required by SALPOV without major sacrifice. In her world her husband charges over $1000 an hour for a personal consultation and that is accepted as normal. According to her, we don't have the right to question anything about SALPOV which is why they sent that bogus legal notice to some of our comrades.

Rounding up cult followers to provide glowing testimonials in an echo chamber only serves to demonstrate that SALPOV is indeed a personality cult.

But if the Spezzanos are the high-profile and famous world figures they say they are, then they are standing in the arena of public opinion. It is reasonable to expect SALPOV should be open to inspection. We have critically reviewed the unethical business practices of this corporation that sells spirituality as a retail product and we have provided reality-checks to dubious SALPOV claims with our research and documentation. Of course SALPOV is upset, but the truth is the truth and Lenora Kay Spezzano is not telling the whole truth in her recent online reactive response. Almost everything she claims on there has already been easily challenged on this forum. A true seeker will search this forum and realize that when it comes to SALPOV where there is smoke (and mirrors) there is fire.

Lenora's description of those who dare to question SALPOV reads like she has been visited upon by some disease. Well, obviously the Spezzanos and their cult followers "manifested" this growing army of inquisitive minds looking into the peculiar and bizarre practices of the upper executives of the Spezzano & Associates Psychology of Vision for-profit corporation. In employing the Spezzano/Ticehurst own Healing Metaphors philosophy, we can only conclude SALPOV has brought this unwanted and uncomfortable attention on themselves because they must have done something they feel guilty about.

To quote Charles Lee Spezzano--

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There's no problem, physically or any kind of problem that doesn't come from some form of guilt.

The SALPOV philosophy is that the victim of any misfortune is to blame, and since the Spezzanos are playing the victim, then obviously they are to blame for their own discomfort. The "Healing Key" here is to take responsibility and make amends.

One amend the Spezzanos could provide would be to pay for all the exit counseling that will be required for SALPOV survivors before the entire corporation crashes after a death spiral, a descent that has already begun.

SALPOV is a personality cult designed to fatten the coffers of the Spezzano bank account. It is nothing more.

For too long SALPOV has been accountable to no one thanks to the way they have weaseled around licensing laws. The time has come for them to be seriously investigated by law enforcement and media. APTN gave it a good start, and I commend them. But this attention needs to grow. And from what I understand it appears this is starting to happen.

As the saying goes, "What goes around comes around."




   
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 15, 2014, 12:21:56 am
Lenora Kay Spezzano's official statement regarding the SALPOV and Oneness University connection:

http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-is-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-psychology-of-vision-and-oneness-university/ (http://the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com/what-is-the-nature-of-the-relationship-between-psychology-of-vision-and-oneness-university/)

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What Is The Nature of The Relationship Between Psychology of Vision And Oneness University?

There is no relationship between the two organizations. Some of us attended healing programs there years ago, but for a number of reasons it felt true to me to distance Psychology of Vision from Oneness U. For about a year after making that decision, I stated in my seminars that I did not recommend that people attend their programs.

The Spezzanos attended OU in 2007. Great effort has been spent attempting to erase all trace of OU from SALPOV websites, but the following quotes are still on their blog. Look at the dates. Observe, and learn--

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AMMA&BHAGAVAN

Today's card is AMMA-BHAGAVAN. These are two enlightened masters from India who are a couple. They started the Oneness movement and hope to raise conciosness [sic] the world over through Oneness blessings. As with so many of our spiritual leaders, they are great channels of love and grace dedicated to helping end the suffering of humanity. So the experience today is one of grace to help us all move forward.

Posted 9th October 2009 by Chuck Spezzano

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AMMA&BHAGAVAN

AMMA&BHAGAVAN are the card for today. They are Indian Gurus who bring a lot of grace and miracles to the earth and like all holy people are interested in uplifting humanity. As a result they can be called on to intercede on our behalf. They are symbols of wholeness here on earth and they betoken a grace-filled day.

Posted 21st August 2010 by Chuck Spezzano

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AMMA AND BHAGAVAN

AMMA AND BHAGAVAN is the card for today. These are enlightened avatars in INDIA and they signal your friends in high places whatever your beliefs. In writings around A COURSE IN MIRACLES it states that their [sic] are more masters on the earth right now for the 'celestial speedup' and the opportunity we have to leap to a new level of consciousness that is interdependent instead of independent.

Let us be thankful for all the work and grace these masters bring us and how they model a higher way. The growth of spirituality with its incumbent love and joy will rise as we learn the mutuality of interdependence. Let us be open to the work these older brothers and sisters from all over the world are providing for us.

Posted 29th August 2010 by Chuck Spezzano

Until early this year, Oneness University was still listed on SALPOV websites as one of the Spezzanos' two "greatest inspirations." Interesting that Spezzano credits the OU founders with also starting the "Oneness movement." Remember that fact every time you hear "Oneness" or "Deeksha" mentioned in SALPOV by the Spezzanos or their trainers from now on. Much of SALPOV is simply a repackaged version of Oneness University.

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Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 15, 2014, 03:49:22 am
there is so much information that contradicts these spezzano cult leaders everything they claim and say about themselves being anygood is readily proven to be nothing but lies,
 maybe to them everything is an illusion, they're not licensed to practice psychology yet they have no problem having others using deceitful advertising=g to promote themselse as credible and licensed psychologists, they try to deflect it by saying the advertisers are promoting themselves like that without their knowledge, this doesn't say much about how they run their spiritual business. and an easy way to deny themselves.
 we can safely say that their "teachings" are all an illusion because people are tricked into thinking they're buying something special in the healing field from the spezzanos and psychology of vision.
these spezzanos still need peer review from everyone licensed and educated in the real professional healing world, i wonder how they have gone on with their stage tricks for so long without being investigated by the feds in all countries they do their circuit in ??!!
people are catching on about the "participants involved in this cult, they ask why are they so miserable, judgmental, and just stick with and friendly with other members of the cult. the people asking totally understand their behavior when they find out they follow chuck/ lency spezzano's cult psychology of vision,
a real qualified trained professional hypnotherapist said all the lency brain washing videos are all an act, everyone's putting on a performance to please lency spezzano and the willing victims all want to emulate lency.. this sounds like making clones of her to help recruit more victims.
people in all walks of life can fall for these cults and the word needs to be put out and spread fast to help stop them from falling into this emotional money trap
here is another cult research site mentioning chuck and his wife lency warning people and revealing the spezzanos ties to the oneness university cult..

http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?4,105647

 i find it disgusting that these people are still operating in canada and targeting first nations, the spezzanos say everything is an illusion, it looks like it's real to me that people are catching on to their scheme,it's long over due and it looks like they're deluded to think they're so right that they don't have to hear real valid concerns from people that had bad reactions from being involved with them.it is not the victims fault yey the spezzanos carry on with absolutely no damage control to help anyone in trouble after their "workshops" lency says no one reported problems but someone was suicidal after a workshop and tried to get a hold of lency on the phone to try to get help, i was told lency kept appointing a time and postponed it to never answering the suicidal persons call for help, that is one case of denial with a common stragedy used by them . they do not want to hear negative reports or comments .when they refuse to support their victims, then this is a very dangerous group to try to get personal help from.
read about them and make an educated choice about signing a waiver and your rights to protect yourself by joining them..
you have every right to ask about THE HIDDEN AGENDA with this group and to have every question answered honestly, everyone has a right to know about any group they're thinking of joining and not be told -one thing they say-" if you want to know... then you have to come to a workshop and see for yourself"is one classic cult response among many traits and responses for you to know,
people have asked 100 day grads, an advanced trainer and lency herself, not one of them helped.one person had the rcmp called on her by 2 100 plus day grads that have called themselves "councilors,I was told by a survivor she went to the local "advanced trainer"/recruiter for help with the way her life was turning bad ..  the advanced trainer told the person seeking/asking help told the victim "there's only one of us here, you're just telling a story" then closed the door on the person then acting like the victim never existed ignored and shunned..and then lency spezzano herself did not answer the phone to talk with a person in serious suicidal trouble, she's luck to be alive and has found a better happier life after getting out of PoV, her children are lucky too because she is a beutiful loving mother that did not deserve the treatment ,or lack of follow up care from the spezzanos.
these are some stories told by survivors of the PoV group that the spezzao=nos do not want to hear.
  i wonder if it's fear phobias imbedded in the victims brains about bad accidents and luck or evil spirits  happening to them and their families through their unethical use of hypnosis if they speak up or they're made not say anything negative about the spezzanos and Pov. i hope more survivors read through this site and overcome their implanted fears to speak up about
do your research well
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 17, 2014, 01:51:20 am
The belief in exorcism of demons and the Devil is alive and well in SALPOV, a byproduct of the Catholic upbringing of Charles Lee Spezzano, who originally wanted to be a priest. But now he gets to be Pope in his own empire.

In the world of SALPOV, ego equals (cue the echo sound effect) THE DEVIL!! This means if you question any of the practices of SALPOV, you are obviously serving (echo effect again) SATAN, since all criticism of this cult is characterized as "astral attacks." This solidifies the SALPOV cult "us vs. them" mentality by dehumanizing their critics. So much for "Oneness." You'll see what I mean as I quote Charles Lee Spezzano himself later in this post. 

Allow me to explain why the Spezzanos are far from being the professionals in the field of psychology they claim to be and have more in common with carnival acts and cheap con games than they do with science, or even with other New Age beliefs. I have to hand it to the Spezzanos, they have really made fools out of a lot of rich people, even members of the Chinese Mafia according to Lenora, and for that I grudgingly say Bravo! When someone is especially good at something, they deserve some recognition.

I can see that in Europe and Asia they have been very talented in relieving wealthy dupes of their cash, but unfortunately in the process they also cleaned out the savings of innocent wage slaves. The SALPOV slogan should be, "There's a Seeker Born Every Minute." In many ways, getting away with a good con game is the stuff of legends. But part of the game of being a grifter is to quit while you're ahead, a lesson the aging Spezzanos are learning the hard way.   

They over-reached in targeting BC First Nations in a strategic way, and documenting how it was to be done in the German version of their Trainer's Manual, in the process providing "Exhibit A" for any potential affinity fraud trial. Did they really think no one would notice? They got fat and complacent.

SALPOV crossed the line from talking gullible rich people out of their money to victimizing an entire culture they grossly underestimated. All they saw was the psychological power of Manifest Destiny. It is the American Way! The Spezzanos know what is best for you unfortunate and unenlightened non-Americans. We'll create emotional havoc, pat ourselves on the back, and then leave forever! And with no accountability for the consequences of our actions! For Lenora to proclaim her efforts created a "cultural Renaissance" for FN is incredibly arrogant, colonial, and missionary. She is an Ugly American.

You can't fool all of the people all of the time, as Abraham Lincoln said. BC FN are creating the first crack in the Spezzano personality cult. The Asian and European SALPOV cult followers need to read and listen to the critics on Haida Gwaii. Current SALPOV cult followers would do well to step back from the noise the Spezzanos are buzzing in your ear and use your independent thinking. It is for your own good. Are you still capable of *shudder* natural independent thoughts outside of what the Spezzanos tell you to think?

Before I stray too far, let us get back to exorcism and how the Spezzanos are anything but mental health professionals.

The following is selected from the August 2013 newsletter from Charles Lee Spezzano--

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Every little upset, every emotion other than what proceeds from love can now be traced this month all the way back to the origin on consciousness, “The Fall,” when fear, separation and judgment began.  The Fall is where we fell into the nightmare of separation.  Of the six major levels of guilt, this is the primordial guilt from which all the other layers of guilt emerge.

You can do this exercise to help heal.  Take any little upset and invite love into it.  Ask yourself what in your adult life led to this new incident.  Invite love and Divine Love into those situations.  Then ask how old you were as a child when this began and see what comes to your mind.  Invite love and Divine Love into this scene until it’s all better.  Then go back to the womb.  If the childhood incident happened at nine years old, then there was some kind of upset at nine months in the womb.  In the womb we are like sponges, if our parents or anyone close are having an upset, we take it in as if it were ours.  We may compensate for it but it’s still in us.  Invite love and Divine Love here.  Love always comes when it is called and at every step miracles of Divine Love are waiting to come to us unless our ego blocks it but by inviting it in we make a new and better choice.  What happens in the womb and childhood shows our soul patterns.  If we don’t help our parents with their issues, we catch these patterns and they show up in us or in people around us until we get the lesson and bring the healing gifts we brought in also welcoming in Heaven’s gifts for such occasions.

Ask yourself what percentage of this upset pattern came from your ancestors.  Invite in love, Divine Love and Divine Presence to your family tree bringing them and yourself freedom from this karma.  Ask yourself what percentage of this came from your soul pattern.  Invite love, Divine Love and Divine Presence into all your lifetimes and the pattern brought in to this one.  Once this is complete, bring this energy into this life and up to the present.  Now ask yourself how much of this pattern came from the collective consciousness of humanity with all of its pain from the past.  Invite love, Divine Love and Divine Presence into the collective until this part is healed.  Next ask what percentage comes from the astral.  This is the dark supernatural of demons, devils and dark lords which is the metaphor for the darkness of the ancient ego.  Our pacts with the devil were really pacts with the ego.  This is our ancient attack and bad attitude where we turned away from Heaven and Oneness.  Invite love, Divine Love and Divine Presence into this area and as the light comes into the darkness these “demons” are redeemed and returned home.

Finally ask what percentage of this problem pattern is coming from The Fall.  Invite love, Divine Love and Divine Presence in here.  It is this remembrance of God and His Love that melts some of the dream away but certainly this problem pattern.

Guilt! Oneness! Catholic imagery! Demons! And the Ego = Devil! Whew. I get tired just reading all that.

But wait, there is more on the Spezzano blog--

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CLOSING THE OPENING TO THE ASTRAL

CLOSING THE OPENING TO THE ASTRAL is the card for today. The astral is the ancient ego sometimes depicted as devil, demons, etc. We can get openings to the astral through being unconscious or being indulgent emotionally or physically. We can have many rifts in our mind that open us to the astral. You can ask how many and what effect it has had on you. Then ask God or one of your Friends in High Places to repair these rifts and plaster the whole area over with light...Have a fine healing day !!

Chuck and Lency Spezzano, Psychology of Vision, Card of the Day, Closing the Opening to the Astral

Thank you for viewing our Blog!  We also have a website:  www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com.

Posted 1st October 2013 by Chuck Spezzano
Labels: Card Closing the Opening to the Astral

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HEALING THE DEVIL(TAROT)

HEALING THE DEVIL (FROM THE TAROT DECK) is the card for today. This symbolizes healing our ego, ignorance and the chains of limitations. Have a fine day!!

Posted 12th February 2012 by Chuck Spezzano

But wait, after employing a Tarot card image (which can hardly be counted as a "professional" activity for one claiming to be active in the field of psychology) there's more!

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HEALING THE DEVIL

HEALING THE DEVIL is the card for today. The Devil in this case is the tarot of the Devil that represents ignorance as well as being chained by darkness, negativity and bad attitude. This is a very transformational day when all of these things which we usually hide from ourselves are shown to us so we can choose again, let them go and commit to the truth. Have a most powerful day!

Posted 5th November 2011 by Chuck Spezzano

Love that "bad attitude" reference. But there is more!

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HEALING THE DEVIL(TAROT)

HEALING THE DEVIL (TAROT) is the card for the today. It represents ignorance and a place we are enslaved so healing it creates freedom and awareness. Whatever had you stuck whether hidden or not so hidden can be dissolved today if you are willing and go with the flow of the unfolding…Have a beautiful day!

Chuck and Lency Spezzano, Psychology of Vision, Card of the Day, Healing the Devil (Tarot)
"Devil" card from the Archetypes and Shadows Deck by Chuck Spezzano,
Artwork by Petra Kuehne:  http://www.petralefaye.de/.

Thank you for viewing our Blog!  We also have a website:  www.chuckandlencyspezzano.com.

Posted 4th November 2013 by Chuck Spezzano

My, how Orwellian.

In the world of SALPOV, if the Devil = the ego, then "ego annihilation" is a form of exorcism. Think about it and wonder where that comes from. Sort of makes one view Lenora's "downloading" videos in a new light as well.

The Spezzano product is not medical, it is not professional, it is not healing. It is Medieval superstition, hocus-pocus, and an expensive carnival sideshow. They prey on emotionally and intellectually vulnerable people and count on non-critical minds to back them up. Their online "testimonials" might help with creating a sense of fear and "astral attack" threat to bring the cult followers together and keep them in line, but as far as attracting new recruits, well, it comes across as desperate, pathetic and controlling. Not great salesmanship.

It is an old and predictable story told over and over again in history. The SALPOV part in this tale is not a place I would care to be.   

Omnia mutantur, nihil interit.




Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 17, 2014, 06:46:49 pm

I think different. I believe that their "occult words and explanation" disguise their psychologically way of work. There is a concept behind, and this concept leads or forces people to (in my opinion) unacceptable way of life, for some people it will be very difficult to break out of this muster circle.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 17, 2014, 10:30:50 pm
i think it's really sad to see what these spezzanos' are doing to people, and i think sturmboe is right it will be extremely difficult for the heavily indoctrinated ones to break out of PoV's grip on their brains, there probably ones like the "advanced trainers" that readily go into "trance so fast to please lency.. they will probably take it to the grave with them.
it doesn't look like the spezzanos will free them or sell them their idea of happiness. what is the goal of the spezzanos?? is it to turn everyone into advanced trainers? so they can as melissa meyer said about first nations- go into their outlying villages and teach everyone PoV so everyone will get along ??
this sure doesn't sound like the promised cultural renaissance as PoV advertised for fn's. i can't see this helping anyone in mainstream society either, what am i missing about this group that makes them any good ?
the spezzanos are unlicensed ,unqualified to fix peoples minds , it looks like they have no qualms about stealing other peoples ideas and presenting it as their own, so far i don't see anything good this group has to offer, at the start of this forum i asked for help to research them .i am so grateful for all the contributors in nafps, i know if there was anything good to say about chuck and lency spezzano it would have been found and posted, yet the spezzanos are so deep in their own denial they cannot even ask themselves questions about what went wrong so they can try to fix it, instead they attack anyone that has an opinion and evaluation they do not like. this sounds like a really unhealthy group to get involved in.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 18, 2014, 12:27:21 pm
SALPOV UK CEO Jeff Allen has posted a 2011 video of Lenora Kay Spezzano giving a presentation in Germany entitled "Awakening." Although it is difficult to endure, it is worth watching for SALPOV cultwatchers and students of the peculiar and bizarre.

http://vimeo.com/98423979 (http://vimeo.com/98423979)

It is graphically a better than normal online definition piece but with strange editing and occasional static in the sound. Although the camera is mostly stationary, with Lenora giving her presentation for the entire 19+ minutes, the cuts and fades are frequent and distracting. It appears to be compiled of sliced audiovisual snips rather than a steady, uninterrupted and sustained thought process. Some of the edits make no sense. Not unlike SALPOV itself!

The SALPOV Triangle the Spezzanos "borrowed" from Bob Trask and made more complicated is in the background. In one rare spot where we can see a few people in the audience, I recognize "Ian" who was subjected to apparent hypnosis in Lenora's Youtube, "Abundance Download."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_9km2_D1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_9km2_D1o)

This video has three distinct parts. It begins with the pseudoscience the Spezzanos have lifted from the New Age status quo. Citing "quantum physics" is a tried and true game of smoke and mirrors that has been used and repeated by retail spiritualists for a few decades now. Lenora tries to sound like she has performed original research and is a scientist when in fact she is merely parroting the worn out party line of her fellow illusionists. Real scientists call this "Quantum Flapdoodle." She also talks about the "neuro-net," a topic that comes up frequently in the Youtube "Downloading" gigs.

I think the first part can be entirely skipped. It is just cotton candy and unoriginal blather Lenora has swiped from other sources.

The middle part starts to get interesting. At 7:35 Lenora makes a reference about going to India years before to be mentored. Probably her tip of the hat to Oneness University.

At 8:00 she says--

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The great thing about the feminine aspect of Psychology of Vision is that any healing your POV trainer has attained they can pass on to you at a vibratory level from brain to brain.

Wow. Did I hear that one right? Let's replay that bit--

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The great thing about the feminine aspect of Psychology of Vision is that any healing your POV trainer has attained they can pass on to you at a vibratory level from brain to brain.

Yes. She sure said it.

At 9:00 Lenora addresses the strange feelings you might experience in your cranium after repeated exposure, I presume, to hypnosis, oh, excuse me, I mean  "Downloading/Joining." After going on about feeling shifts and gyrations in your braincase she concludes--

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Don't go to a doctor and pay for a MRI. It's a waste of money. You're just downstream of the Psychology of Vision healing.

No, don't go consult any REAL medical professionals! They'll just tell you that you been victimized by a dangerous cult headed by two unlicensed quacks! And obviously we at SALPOV are always right and never lie. We are the messengers and conduits for Heaven. But if you have to waste money, waste it on us!

It is the final third part of this video where things get really weird. For you veteran SALPOV watchers I would suggest fast forwarding to 9:50 and just watch the rest of it. Lenora reveals a lot of incredibly self-incriminating information on many levels, conscious and otherwise, and gets super intense about it. You can sense the frustrated actress within her yearning to be free. It is quite an entertaining show in an Ed Wood sort of way.

This video poses the question: Is Lenora a cynical grifter, or, is she simply crazy? It could be that Lenora Kay Spezzano will need exit counseling from herself with the help of true professionals.  Does she really believe all that drivel she is spouting? In any case, the posting of this video did not do SALPOV any favours.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 18, 2014, 04:05:49 pm
I believe the spezzano empire is falling apart and they are making these desperate moves to justify themselves and attempt to keep what's left of their flock contained in their narrow mind set.
 Putting out "the truth about Psychology of vision and chuck spezzano" demonstrates how hard up and desperate they are to counteract  anyone's negative opinion, summation and evaluation of them, all it did was make them look even more foolish to those that still have their critical thinking.
Now lency posted this goofy, and again strange 19 minute video of her spewing out nothing but drivel that makes no sense to objective thinkers, I think this is meant for the spezzano non-critical thinking devotees that are programmed and made to have to listen to and follow her. and probably the devotees to spread this to the public to show how dedicated they are and again to be kept locked into the narrow mind set o  are made to think lency made a profound discovery and have to spread the PoV gospel and "teachings"
 i wonder how they can say everything is an illusion in that crazy video, if you go stand out in the freeway and a car comes and hits you that's because you're not an illusion?? why is  lency  telling her devotees this nonsense ? where is this going to take them ??,this could get them in rea trouble, if the advanced trainers in important job positions juggle money from government money for a Pov workshop, is that meant to be an illusion too,  taking money meant for real qualified healing for people and leaving them short of funding is not an illusion, it's mean to the people that really need proper help. mean and selfish, shame on those people that do this.
I also believe the devotees are programmed to believe lency and  to be able to "advance"themselves in PoV. no one can argue or have a different opinion of what lency says, they all have to eat it all up...or else.."they don't get it"and have to keep coming back..no matter what
Maybe lency spezzano herself  is made crazy and insane from all the quantum heaped up bullshit they created from stealing other peoples work and presenting it to the devotees and unsuspecting public as their own.
No matter what happens in the research done on exposing Pov for what they are..I don't think lency will ever go to a real licensed professional psychiatrist or psychologist on her own, they have too big an elitist attitude and ego to lower themselves to seek professional help. They cannot hear or listen to other people's input, it's been proven by their shunning and ignoring of their "participants" cries for help.
 It looks like it's long over due for an intervention to  be pulled on lency spezzano and her "advanced trainers"so they can be properly psychologically assessed for their sanity, who knows this PoV may have made at least one of them insane if not more than one, if one has been driven mad, it is one too many.Maybe that would get the spezzanos' attention that they are harming people and realize people's minds need to be fixed by proper licensed trained health care professionals.  .
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: debbieredbear on June 18, 2014, 05:19:12 pm
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At 8:00 she says--



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The great thing about the feminine aspect of Psychology of Vision is that any healing your POV trainer has attained they can pass on to you at a vibratory level from brain to brain.



Wow. Did I hear that one right? Let's replay that bit--



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The great thing about the feminine aspect of Psychology of Vision is that any healing your POV trainer has attained they can pass on to you at a vibratory level from brain to brain.



Yes. She sure said it.


This fits with the video I saw a few weeks ago where lency was asking someone what she wanted for her birthday and the person, giggling, says she wants lency to download the divine feminine for her. It was creepy and I couldn't watch more.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on June 19, 2014, 12:52:06 am
In the DVD Chuck Spezzano The Psychology of Vision 2007, a lecture filmed in London, Chuck says "About 92% of all the people in Canadian prisons are First Nations people."

What the hell is he talking about?

Some fact checking:

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In 2007 -2008, 17.3% of the total federal offender population was Aboriginal compared to being 4% of the Canadian adult population. They represented 19.6% of those incarcerated and 13.6% of those on conditional release (parole).  For women, this over-representation is even more dramatic—33.1% of women in federal penitentiaries were Aboriginal.

http://www.oci-bec.gc.ca/cnt/rpt/oth-aut/oth-aut20091113-eng.aspx (http://www.oci-bec.gc.ca/cnt/rpt/oth-aut/oth-aut20091113-eng.aspx)

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Autumn on June 19, 2014, 01:18:22 am
This fits with the video I saw a few weeks ago where lency was asking someone what she wanted for her birthday and the person, giggling, says she wants lency to download the divine feminine for her. It was creepy and I couldn't watch more.

That "birthday" thing is something Lency does over and over in her videos:  "Today is your birthday and you can ask for ANYTHING you want because God is your father and he is rich".

I agree with you, Debbie -- Creepy.  Very creepy.  (And hard to watch.)

Lency is harder to watch than Chuck, though.  I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could sit through hours of watching her doing her hand waving, face grimacing, teeth grinding -- and not run for the exit.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 19, 2014, 01:31:38 am
it is just as sad as it is sickening to watch what lencey is doing to her willing victims, or pardo me i meant to say her programmed victims, the videos are meant for her devotees and disciples to watch to help keep them to be devote followers, you see the same people over and over again in her sickening videos. they are programmed to think they have to go to these workshops, over and over again and again. i bet these aren;t sickening and creepy for the pov disciples to watch, unless they're starting to get their objective critical thinking back, i don't think this will happen because they are not allowed to think like that.
 a hypnotherapist said it's obvious the're hypnotized and they are programmed to have to listen to her, they have to listen and obey what she and her husband chuck say and the videos are meant to keep them in check and devoutly spreading the PoV gospel. you see how she gives her cues and commands in everyone of her "its your birthday" videos, i think to the victims she is the giant santa clause from the heavens making the victims believe she's giving them something special and what ever they want.
 i believe the hypnotherapist summation/ evaluation of the PoV leaders and their program. lency is nothing but a stage act using the oldest hypnotist tricks in the book.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on June 19, 2014, 01:59:06 am
I agree, Lency is much harder to watch than Chuck. Yet Chuck is just as dangerous, maybe in a different way, because he looks relatively "normal" as he speaks, yet he says such horrible stuff.  Just finished this long video that is all of Chuck speaking, he starts out right away blaming rape victims for being raped.

Buyer beware. I really feel for any family and friends of people who are caught up in this.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 19, 2014, 02:38:21 am
after hearing horror stories and reading all the documented research, much of it compiled from what the spezzanos published themselves, with all this evidence , how can anyone think anything but that chuck and Lency spezzano are dangerous people, if the spexxanos' are dangerous, then i believe it is safe to say that the "advanced trainers" are also dangerous people to the public, they do hold their own PoV workshops and at the very least a variation of Chuck & Lency spezzanos' "teachings" .
   THE "ADVANCED TRAINERS" ARE EVEN LESS QUALIFIED TO WORK WITH PEOPLES MINDS. the advanced trainers also deceive the public that they are credible and qualified.I reality they and the 100 plus day grads of  are probably even more dangerous than their leaders and controllers Chuck & lency Spezzano.
when you think about these people pretending to be councilors from 100 days of workshops, that is barely over 3 monts of going to a university or college, we all know they take 4 or 2 years to complete to be tested to get your degree.. yet these PoV devotees must be made to believe their PoV 100 day grad certificate is enough to go make money for and with the PoV dogma.   for all the money a person can wast on a worthless 100 day grad cerificate that amounts to nothing more than showing how much you wasted on PoV, you're much better off going to get a proper education, or if you're looking for healing, what is the goal of the spezzanos'? turning you into an advanced trainer ?? then again you're better off to go see a licensed credible professionally educated psychologist than risking your life and sanity with a charlatan
 here is another dangerous example of harming people...a PoV survivor said she finally got brave enough to speak about being sexually abused at a chuck "workshop". chuck told her the reason she was sexually abused is because she was a rapist in her past life..
 we're lucky she's alive today because she turned suicidal after chuck packed up and left, leaving no proper trained people for after care her other than the local "advenced trainer" and a couple of 100 plus days of actual workshop "grads" we all know these people are not qualified to do mental health work,yet some call themselves trauma councelors,life skills coaches to name a few titles
 there are other people having problems from exposing themselves so deeply in the spezzano large group awareness training environment that are speaking up. everyone says the same thing. there is no proper back up care when the spezzanos go to the next place on their circuit.
 there are more and more people coming forward and telling how chuck turns "participants " against family members, it seems common for chuck to turn his victims against the ones they are close tt so they can create his new "family" for them to belong to.
these are definitely not very nice people for anyone to be involved with,
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 19, 2014, 12:09:00 pm
Yesterday Piff made a reference to the DVD Chuck Spezzano, Psychology of Vision (container title: Inspiring Heart, Mind and Soul). This was filmed July 23, 2007 in St. James Church, Piccadilly, London.

This DVD is 90 minutes of Charles Lee Spezzano performing his act to an audience of people who appear to be new to SALPOV. I did not recognize any of the familiar faces. So we are seeing the "gateway" Spezzano here.

Most of the performance is pretty routine for Spezzano-watchers. All problems boil down to guilt, all solutions boil down to love. He used a FN rape victim as his blame-the-victim example. Incredibly insensitive and destructive. The word "justice" is not in the SALPOV vocabulary. I should think activists involved with the movement to stop violence against women would be outraged at the assertions of Charles Lee Spezzano.

Charles exhibited the crude and obscene jokes he is famous for, in a CHURCH, to an English audience of strangers. It didn't go over too well. He kept having to tell the viewers it was OK to laugh. In short, he sort of died.

Toward the end is where the fun starts. Spezzano tells the assembled crowd he is going to perform a "Oneness Blessing," and he adds, "It's just an energy transfer, it's called a Deeksha Blessing."

He does this without pontificating further or defining what it means. What Lenora Kay Spezzano calls "Bliss Music" begins and lights go dim when Charles directs the stage crew (see attached). Then as the music plays, which is never identified but appears to be from India, Charles stands in front with his hands raised, imitating one of his "greatest inspirations," Amma and Bhagavan (see attached).

I figure this DVD was made shortly after Charles Lee Spezzano was finished with his enthusiastic participation in classes at Oneness University. As we can see, OU had more of an impact in shaping the present curriculum of SALPOV than Lenora claims in her recent statement.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Epiphany on June 19, 2014, 06:52:31 pm
This 2007 video of a speech in London, I find it appalling how Chuck Spezzano uses stories of First Nations people as a way to sell his product. He acts as if he is an all knowing expert on First Nations history and experience.

Chuck tells a story of a FN woman who had been raped 2 months before the workshop. He says that she was angry and that he told her she had to forgive the perpetrator. Chuck said "any time you are angry, you take that pistol and it becomes a machine gun and you shoot everyone around you" - he mimed the gun use as he said this. He also said that because she was angry, she was committing "emotional rape" on her family.

So, according to him, it was her fault. She was in her victim pattern and it was her responsibility to heal everyone. Chuck says he had her role play this out with other workshop participants, most everyone in the room became triggered and upset, according to Chuck this is apparently a good thing. She was told that she had to heal all the perpetrators, she had to give up her independence and ego (according to Chuck, ego is bad), and apply forgiveness and redemption.

As moreinfo has detailed, the Spezzanos are damaging people, and they especially target FN people.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 19, 2014, 07:24:34 pm
   another one of the things chuck spezzano says is - you wished it on your self ??!!
to me i can't help but think - how in the hell can a 2 year old baby wish sexual abuse on itself, i'm not surprised those poor unfortunate souls that took a chance with chuck and lency spezzano turned suicidal, 
people really need to know about this group and maybe real government health officials need to scrutinize PoV with a fine comb ,
there are reports of ambulance cases for women that attended chucks work over shops because they were having nervous breakdowns from not being able to deal with what chuck exposed in them in front of the group in a community where everyone knows each other. and there is no confidentiality for the victims.
and yet there are people positioned in the communities that still push this cult sickness onto the unsuspecting people, it is really good that there are sites like this nafps to help people to learn about harmful groups and make the people less unsuspecting, public education seems to be the best way to go about dealing with these groups when PoV has mambers in village band councils and health centers supporting them and helping bring more "workshops" into the villages,
they are so brainwashed that they even say"because chuck said" it must be true, weel it sure is being proven that just because chuck said,it is not true or good for people, the deeply devote ones will probably fight to their death and take it to the grave that chuck is the best, because they were made to think that way, those poor victims, some willing victims like the ones writing the glowing testimonials praising chuck don't even know any better or anything else.
brian lynchman called this woman a willing victim and a part of the organization so she's doing this to pleas lency and help recruit for what she called an amazing healing session. hopefully no one in their right mind would want themselves to end up this way and see that it's brainwashing through and through,a doctor said part of their training was to recognize brainwashing, he said it's obvious this woman is brainwashed and this is not healing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY

this is worse that the original colonizers did and it needs to be addressed immediately, 
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 21, 2014, 01:14:48 pm


I read a bit in some "view in the book" in the internet parts of C. Spezzonas books.

One problem, I understand it in this way in Spezzonas book view, Chuck Spezzona explains that are just few true emotions, which are mostly be covered by other emotions. Some so called real / true emotions are fear and anger ... guit has another aspect - he reduces and simplify all these emotions and its varieties down to these few emotions, pure and unaltered.
It is true, that secondary emotions cover  primary emotions, but all these emotions are existing.
A person develop secondary emotion for he can better stand by a situation.
I understand Spezzona, as if the covering emotions were nothing more but lies and the originary emotions had to come up to the surface so the person can understand himself better. But in this way I fear this person would just realise a part, something bad in the past he needs to let vanish for getting a better life in future. How can he develop an understandable relationship between the past and actual life? I cannot imagine that this runs. C. Spezzona forces people to sperate themselves. But maybe it is better to learn how to integrate one´s past, a part of one´s life he can never let disappear.  If this would be possible ... tell me, how to live with a black gap in your life?

Emotions are often not in pure forms and often it is so difficult to find those words which can describe correctly what one really feels. C. Spezzona  take these words and leave other speecheless.
Reduced to those "basic true" emotions I can imagine that people can develope an inner emptiness, Often it is very hard to stand by this emptiness and they need other people who lead them in life, who tell them, how to live, what to think, what to chose, ... . Emptiness makes people having fear, being helpless. There is a willing, but no decision-making ability... maybe they think they got no other choice than to be dependent for a help C. Spezzona or someone else gives them. C. Spezzona got easy explaining, maybe it seems chaotic, but maybe just on the surface. This chaotic way doesn´t let people develop an understanding of themselves, but it can fix people in helplesness and dependence.
Life is complex, not always easy to understand, sometimes it is dangerous to walk back on the way, being unprotected.

The guilt of being abused could have another background too: A lot of people who were afflicted by sexual violence learned to be guilty, the offender told them, on their own they feel guilty and dirty, ashamed... It is for them so difficult to learn that they are not guilty, it is a hard way to learn to unite the intellectual knowledge and the feeling of not being guilty. It could be, that they know intellectually they are not guilty, maybe know, that they had no chance to averted this terrible event. But the feeling let some struggle back, time by time and they need to learn again, this comes in little steps in therapies, it needs time, courage and endurance. Also to clearify the emotions, put in words, about what happened. It is hard to find the words when a afflicted person feels speechless. And C. Spezzona forces this feeling of guilt, he deals with the feeling of guilt, and he took the words away other needs to find out, he take away the chance that the afflicted people got the right to be angry, worry, sad, disppointed, ... I hope that afflicted people find a way to get a qualifiyed therapist or psychologist, both needs time, courage and endurance.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 22, 2014, 01:26:06 am
after reading through the research on the spezzanos' and their "spiritual" business, i go back to reading this site about warning signs of dysfunctional cults and fing there are many, many yes answers questions that apply to chuck & lency spezannos high demand (cult) group - Psychology Of Vision.

http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/Warning_signs_of_dysfunctional_cults.html

they also have an indepth look at the oneness university, chuck has stated that this was one of hie 2 founding sources for inspiring PoV... but now time the spezzanos' are denying any association with ou and their inventors,bi=ut there is plenty of evidence to show they are full of shit about any involvement...

http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html

there are people that spent thousands to go attend a 21 day workshop event at oneness u for programming as suggested by the spezzanos if they wanted to continut trying to advance themselves in PoV...

http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/deeksha_oneness.html

 one cannot feel anything but sorry and pity for those poor souls that are duped into thinking the PoV is worth anything in the healing field to teach others or made to believe that this is personal healing to better your life.
 I truly hope the devotee deciples can overcome their phobias and get proper trained help to free themselves so they can truly begin to enjoy their lives.
but as sturmboe said  there are people that need to follow, and it will be a difficult task if not impossible for those that have been locked into and indoctrinated into this false belief system , those with 20 or more years of spending money on this group will probably never be able to break free, thinking they are right and on a healing journey and will take it to the grave with them.
a person working in cult exiting said - one of the first signs of someone already locked into the cult mindset is they get mad and protect the leader when questioned or even have any opinion about the group, every person in PoV and the erick gonzalez cult are all very angry people to those that speak up , how can this be called healing?? in any true healing group they're taught how to handle these situations ,every one knows bullying is not healing, yet these PoV and gonzalez devotees express a lot of bullying behavior, some even teaching their grand kids how to give dirty looks , it's strange to see the devotees in health care positions and all other disciples behave like this, are they so programmed that they don't know better, i'm beginning to think so.. it's not fair to the grand kids or people depending on having good people in health care positions.
sad but true. 
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 22, 2014, 05:55:16 am
Not everybody is innocent. What is someone doing, if he is guilty for something. He can learn to live with his guilt. But he can never cut away, what happened. There is too often the wish: "Make this off, as it would never have happened." This wish is impossible to fulfill.
It doesn´t seem to me POV helps people to learn to live with guilt. In what a situition POV forces them? This would be another aspect to see.

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"one of the first signs of someone already locked into the cult mindset is they get mad and protect the leader when questioned or even have any opinion about the group"
I don´t agree with that. First it is difficult to say if someone is mad or what this "mad" really is, what mental issue. This reaction is also often seen by people who lived for years in families with physical and emotional misuse.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Ingeborg on June 22, 2014, 10:10:55 am
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"one of the first signs of someone already locked into the cult mindset is they get mad and protect the leader when questioned or even have any opinion about the group"
I don´t agree with that. First it is difficult to say if someone is mad or what this "mad" really is, what mental issue. This reaction is also often seen by people who lived for years in families with physical and emotional misuse.

Please. In this context, 'getting mad at someone' simly means 'getting angry'.

Aber bitte. Im obigen Kontext heißt 'getting mad at someone' soviel wie 'auf jdn wütend werden'.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 22, 2014, 11:04:13 am
OK, I translated "mad" directly, do not know this in this context as the meaning "being angry".

Also in this context "being angry" it happen by people who lived for years in families with physical and emotional misuse.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 22, 2014, 01:10:41 pm
In the following Jed McKenna forum on Amazon.com, Lenora Kay Spezzano made a comment which had some very real-world replies--

http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/discussion.html/ref=cm_cd_fp_ef_tft_tp?ie=UTF8&cdForum=FxLRL2NAR2SVT1&cdThread=TxCDIWI27KC5F4 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/discussion.html/ref=cm_cd_fp_ef_tft_tp?ie=UTF8&cdForum=FxLRL2NAR2SVT1&cdThread=TxCDIWI27KC5F4)

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Customer Discussions > Jed McKenna forum

I became enlightened 3 weeks ago...

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Initial post: Aug 4, 2011 3:02:01 AM PDT

Lency Spezzano says:
...and brought 17 other women along with me during a 5 day seminar. The psycho-therapeutic healing technique that I have been developing for 28 years, Joining, is the perfect tool for self-annihilation. The Jed McKenna books and Haunted Universe were a good framework for me to help myself and the others understand the paradigm that we broke into. Since awakening, I have assisted others into enlightenment as well. It takes courage to face the self-hatred, rebellion against God, etc., deep in the mind, but those coming through my work can get a lot of the healing as a "download," rather than having to brave the territory alone. It is challenging, but very doable. Lency Spezzano, co-founder of the Psychology of Vision

Posted on May 30, 2012 7:57:28 PM PDT
Anon_nonA says:
why women ? Weren't there men ?

No offence .. but it kind of sounds fishy..

In reply to an earlier post on May 30, 2012 8:07:27 PM PDT
Lency Spezzano says:
Hahaha! It was a women's seminar, but since then men have gone through the process just as well. :)

Posted on Oct 9, 2012 5:24:26 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Oct 9, 2012 5:27:33 AM PDT
Joey says:
this doesn't sound like enlightenment. it sounds like using concepts from books to mythologize what were likely some darn nice mystical experiences. still, not enlightenment.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 10, 2013 3:34:53 PM PST
Tom B Radar says:
Sounds like an article worthy of The Onion, fool!

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 17, 2013 12:15:46 PM PST
Amazon Customer says:
Seeing through the illusion can be facilitated for free by volunteers, and online. And by the way, YOU can't become enlightened. That's sort of RULE #1 of enlightenment, by the way.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 11, 2013 10:23:31 PM PDT
overdrive sandwich says:
really getting a kick out of it, huh?

Posted on Sep 17, 2013 9:35:13 AM PDT
Lila Sterling says:
Just can't stop laughing...

A few observations. How many times has Lenora been enlightened? If she was not enlightened until mid-2011, does this mean all her previous teachings regarding spirituality were unenlightened?

The Spezzanos are well-known for lifting the material of others, repackaging it, and calling it their own (Course in Miracles, Oneness University, Louise Hay, Bob Trask triangle, Quantum flapdoodle, etc.)

I am not familiar with the work of Jed McKenna or Steven Norquist (author of Haunted Universe). When I read their works, I wonder if I'll find that many of their concepts have been lifted, twisted, and absorbed into SALPOV?

In checking out McKenna's homepage, I enjoyed this quote--

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I am not the last word on 'Truth' as there is no last word. However, I am rather intolerant of folks who are trying to sell tomatoes from an empty cart.

It would be interesting to hear what McKenna, Norquist, Trask, Amma and Bhagavan, and Louise Hay would have to say about Lenora's "downloading/joining" or "Oneness session" YouTubes.

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

Notice Lenora also described her "downloading/joining" as a "psycho-therapeutic healing technique." She is basically calling this psychotherapy. According to Psychology Today, "Psychotherapy" is defined as--

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Psych Basics
Psychotherapy
What is Psychotherapy?

Psychotherapy is the practice of spending time with a psychological professional trained to help diagnose and treat mental and emotional problems. Therapy can take various forms—cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness-based cognitive therapy, psychodynamic therapy, or a combination of these—but at the center of each is the caring relationship between a mental health professional and a patient.

Hmm. As any reader of this forum knows, Lenora is not a licensed professional and is not qualified to be inflicting her version of psychotherapy on victims. In many jurisdictions, she could be legally prosecuted for doing so. This might explain why the Spezzanos have not targeted the other 49 of the United States, their home nation. They are fortunate to be living in a state that is especially lax in the area of mental health regulation. Once Hawaii enacts a hypnotherapy law with some teeth, Lenora will be out of business.

By the by, hypnosis is one of the tools of psychotherapy.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 22, 2014, 05:02:34 pm
thx for the correction notice Sturmboe,
i eas referring to the PoV people as being angry, in reality they become very angry when their leadr or group is questioned or even just discussed.
some of the PoV and erick gonzalez people have resorted to threatening people with a summary beating up and one huge mean energied woman threatened someone with her vehicle coming so close to the person that the person had to jump out of her way.
 it's already like these paople live in a commune in their own heads and they always stick together when out in the public together. people notice and talk about them, but they continue to do this, they're the last ones to know how obvious they are.
they not only turn angry and threatening but resort to spreading mean lies about people that speak up. probably thinking they're discrediting the people speaking public education about these groups.
 this is one way that PoV and this group.. is splitting people apart from their families and others in the communities they live in.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.0
 it was a hypnotherapist that said when these people defend themselves and their leader by becoming angry and threatening towards those exposing them, turning angry because they're already hooked and indoctrinated into the cult leaders belief system, i believe what she's saying about them is true, she helps people exit cults and has been doing it for quite a while,
 yes people can get angry for many things, but when spefically applied to a classic cult devotees response, i think it to be one of the true signs of cult involvement, i see it first hand and up close
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 22, 2014, 07:15:45 pm

i eas referring to the PoV people as being angry, in reality they become very angry when their leadr or group is questioned or even just discussed.
 it was a hypnotherapist that said when these people defend themselves and their leader by becoming angry and threatening towards those exposing them, turning angry because they're already hooked and indoctrinated into the cult leaders belief system, i believe what she's saying about them is true, she helps people exit cults and has been doing it for quite a while,


The way how they react is not only taking part in cults. One aspect is the fear. If an offender is brainwashing his victim by telling and showing him that he is the only one who can and will help, if the victim does not obey and fulfill the requirements the offender told, than the victim must be punished, and this is always the blame of the victim, the offender told again and again, he wasn´t the person who wished it, it is the result of the vicit,´s behaviour. An offender can build on his lies a bottom of a fear the victim has to live on and don´t know how to come out of this vicious circle. By the time, the victim believes the offender is right, with the inner knowing, that all this is false and hurting, but it is to dangerous to have look on the truth. There is always the question: "What will happen, when I break out? Is the offender just right? Can I stand by the punish he manace me? When I am punished, am I wrong?" Sometimes it seems for the victim more secure to obey and believe the offender is right - just to be able to survive. There is fear, blame, ... In psychotherapie it could be, the victim got the feeling the therapist want to break down the safty world, fears the punish will maybe come and maybe cannot stand by, and the victim feares he will be punished or die. So it could happen the victim is very angry about the therapist and fighting against.
In therapies the therapist and the vicitm clarify this situation step by step, the victim learns to break out of this circle, learn, what a true safty place really means, learn to decide on his own and being resonsible.
What the hypnotherapist says happen in cults, in some families and in the worst way in satanic cults, world wide organized: trigger, programming, conditioning - brainwash. Brainwash can be such a terrible work, basing on a deep psychological knowledge.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on June 23, 2014, 02:12:41 am
     brainwash. Brainwash can be such a terrible work, basing on a deep psychological knowledge.
   I always thought all BRAINWASHING was something terrible to have happen to you , no matter how good the intentions or how you're programmed and who's doing it to you, we see it all the time in advertisements and commercials trying to sell you a product, but when you have people doing this to vulnerable people for control and profit is disgusting, and to top it off the people are progremmed to protect and promote the perpetuate-rs.
the people that had this done too them ahave a long road in their personal recovery. It's like they are double whammied with something to heal from, many probably were looking for qualified help in the first place, when the end up brainwashed on top of their personal problems , this will be a tough job for them to fix ,what a disaster to end up in
 here is another educated comment about these spezzano people and the advanced trainer from Haida Gwaii..

http://brilyn.net/taking-advantage-of-seeking-a-better-life/




Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 23, 2014, 04:36:23 am
Lenora's Enlightenment, Part 1:
 
In my last post I touched on Lenora Kay Spezzano's "enlightenment" of mid-2011.

Enlightenment can come in different forms. It is a very individual thing, and for most of us it is a private and independent awakening, shaped by our own experience. To the Spezzanos, independence = falling away from the inter-dependent Oneness they worship as a result of their experience as devotees of Amma and Bhagavan, the leaders of Oneness University, where Charles and Lenora "borrowed" much of their theology.

To be independent means one is not likely to be a vulnerable client for the SALPOV program. So, independence is bad. Dependence on the SALPOV program is good. And profitable! Critical minds need not apply. Or the poor.

If you are a wage slave, who experiences enlightenment as a result of living on the edge while having to exist on a level where you barely scrape by providing for your loved ones, the Spezzanos don't really want to dirty their soft white hands with you. Nor will they recognize your enlightenment as valid, especially if your version of enlightenment means you can see the Spezzanos are emperors who wear no clothes! Charles charges over $1000 an hour for private consultations. The rabble need not bother applying. "Enlightenment" in the SALPOV world is only for those who can cough up the cash.  Jesus himself couldn't qualify for SALPOV courses because he would've lacked the primary qualification-- lots of money.

You'll notice in Lenora's protestations she does not deny they are about money, she just claims they are about more than that. I submit the "more than that" is just smoke and mirrors and they are indeed just all about money.

It is possible, although I for one remain wary, that Lenora did experience some form of enlightenment in 2011. But what she did with this concept is very capitalist American. Rather than treating her transformation as the sacred and unique happening it should be, she packaged, institutionalized, and marketed it. And then, being the cultural imperialist that she is, she held herself up as a "high priestess" and with the zeal of a Tupperware salesperson attempted to sell it to other cultures. One Haida person calls her efforts "psychocolonization." The real Hawaiians call it "ethnocide," as the Spezzanos have also swiped some of their schtick from the natives of their home state, Hawaii.

In many ways SALPOV is the McDonalds of "spiritual healing," except that it isn't affordable. But it is fast mass-marketed assembly-line junk food for the soul.

Lenora wrote at length about her "enlightenment" and it remains posted. I will bold the more, um, "interesting" passages--

http://chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencyFemininePower.htm (http://chuckandlencyspezzano.com/LencyFemininePower.htm)

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Lency has been exploring new realms of consciousness in the last few weeks. Here is her experience - posted on her Blog and on Facebook:
Saving the World through Feminine Power
Social Media posts by Lency Spezzano during her extraordinary healing seminar for Women which took place in England this July 2011

WEDNESDAY, JULY 6, 2011
Bringing a new level of the Feminine!
For the last couple of years my dear girlfriends in England, Evie and Avril (and before that, Julie) have made it possible to do a 5 day seminar with just women. The women's seminars are always powerful, deep and special in a way that really can't be described, but I am especially excited to go this time, because I have a great new gift to share. During a deep session with the Buddhist monks and nuns that I worked with in Taiwan in June, one in which we were executing "self" annihilation (especially valued by Buddhists), I went through a very interesting metamorphosis. The only way I can describe it is that it felt like I evolved from a caterpillar to a butterfly - a strange experience. By the end of the session I felt that I had transformed to a different archetypal identity, the High Priestess. It sounds strange as I type it here, but there is a very different feeling to it...like there is a bright light in my head that hadn't been turned on before. So this is the newest "download" that I can share with the women in Bicester. It feels like perfect timing - the next level in Feminine Power. I can't wait to see everyone there!
xxxxxxx
?Lency Spezzano

Letter to my Mastery Program friends

In our Mastery Program, which is open to graduates of the Psychology of Vision 100 Day Program, we are all so close as a community that we group email each other several times a day. We share laughs, our healing process (which is continuous for us as a group), our victories, jokes, wisdom we chance upon, etc. This evening, in Bicester, England, I touched in with my Mastery friends with these words about Day 2 of the Healing the World through Feminine Power seminar:

Missing you all here. This women's seminar is operating at the level of the Mastery Program, for the most part, because of the Trainers, the four Mastery Program girls and me being in the group mind. But the healing is beyond the beyond. We healed the Oedipus issue all the way back to the original separation from God this afternoon, heartbreak after heartbreak. During that process I healed an absolutely tremendous heartbreak I had no idea was buried deep within - the heartbreak that came after my experience of The Holy Instant. To have been transported completely out of the dream of this world, into Oneness with God, and then to have fallen back into the dream, was pain well beyond any worldly heartbreak possible. My brain has changed forever after that healing. Rather than just channeling Heaven's grace, now I can feel God coming directly through me. I can't wait to pass that on to you.

And that was just one part of the day's process; each section was inexpressibly powerful. Earlier in the day, as an example, we discovered how we will save the planet, how the Grandmothers will speak. It is wonderful to have Florence with us here, to have such incredible aboriginal intelligence and leadership from a matriarchal culture. Again, it is just beyond words.

Love you all so much, and feel you with us here. Will keep you informed of our progress.

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? Lency Spezzano

WEDNESDAY, JULY 13, 2011
Feminine Power seminar update day 3

We started the day off with self-annihilation, slaying of the ego. This is something that I have practiced on three groups before. First, when Chuck and I taught a 4 day seminar in Tokyo in early May.

I had gone through the process on my own over four and a half days during that terrible time just after the earthquake and tsunami in Japan and the launch of the war in Libya. It felt like there was some kind of opening in the collective consciousness of the planet, and most people faced the feeling that all the talk about 2012 is true, that something really is going to happen to us on a planetary scale. I believe that what the human race will be going through is ego death, as the vibration or frequency of our existence changes, to become finer and higher. Our egoic selves, our suffering will have to go. For the ego, that is death.


The process of going through self annihilation is shattering. You must face the horrendous self hatred we all have buried inside us, which we glimpse only shallowly when we are most depressed. In this process you must face everything you judge in yourself: every flaw, every mistake, every failure, every mortifying embarrassment, every shame, every imperfection and all of your self disgust. It isn't pretty. You want to kill yourself. You recognize that all the evil you have seen outside yourself is just the projection of your own guilt. As you surrender and accept it all, without resistance, you face the understanding that all of that self hatred was really just disguising the fact that, in fact, you resent God. You discover your rebellion against God. You see that the concept of Satan is only the truth about who you really are. You are in a fight for supremacy with God, and it is a fight to the death. This is what we have really been hiding from. When you accept that and move through it you are so ashamed that you plead with God, beg God, please, please, please, to destroy you. To make it that you never existed. To never even have been a thought in the mind of God. Then, as you let go, and you die, there is God.

After the process you are still you, and still have an ego, but there is a great emptiness inside where before there was self and there was suffering. It is a huge relief. Going through it on your own is a harrowing experience. But if you are led through it in a joining session (the Psychology of Vision's feminine aspect) by someone who has already gone through it, you can get through it much, much more easily.


Because many of the Japanese PoV students are adept at joining (thanks goes out here to how much Master Trainers Hiromi and Hideaki, and the other Japanese PoV Trainers value it) and the Japanese in general have such a good attitude as students, I had the courage to propose it to them that they die. They agreed. I think the influence of Buddhism on their culture made it something they knew to be the true direction.

They were heroic. We did the process over two days, in two afternoon sessions. Two thirds of them (it was a large group, somewhere between 150 to 200 people) completed the process at a more shallow level on the first day, and on the second day one third got all the way through to the same point that I had reached . Every person in the room was glad for the experience.

Next, I tried it on a group of Germans. Half of them said it was the thing they most wanted. No one was willing even to break the surface of the emotion. They stayed in dissociation, but, after 45 minutes, were willing to follow me through something else that I was able to find inside myself and heal - giving up the notion of authority being outside yourself. That in itself was extremely liberating, and it was a triumphant session, but a no-go as far as self-annihilation.

My next chance to try it out on was a group of 70 monks and nuns in Taiwan. I figured I had pretty good odds with them, especially as Trainers Chi-Ching and Joy had made sure they had good training in the joining method. In the two consecutive sessions, which were part of a 5 day seminar, almost all of them got through the process. You can imagine how grateful they were - it's what they are all about.

So this morning, in our group of women (half of them being Trainers and Mastery Program members), with our purpose of coming together to heal the world and make the planetary shift be an easy birth - I knew the deck was stacked in our favor. As we began, I dropped into a new layer of the the pain of the healing process. It was beyond any self attack, but it was horrible just the same. It was desolate, empty separation - an unbridgeable distance between me and God. Unconsolable loss. The women dove in, starting with the self hatred, committed to following me all the way through. I cried and cried until, again, there was God. When the miracle of that hit my mind, I started to laugh the laughter that always comes with a miracle (which is the end result of a joining session). But that laughter turned into a belly laugh that went on and on. I literally screamed with laughter for half an hour (Evie's iPhone captured a lot of it - I have a feeling it is going to become a popular ring-tone in our crowd). 

It was laughing from relief. It was the laughter of getting the joke - the ridiculous notion that this dream of separation from God could be real. All of the women followed me, most rolling on the floor with laughter. There was a great nothing inside them, where they had been before. They got all of the way through the process in half an hour, and laughed their asses off for half an hour, and then it was lunch.

The afternoon started with us facing all of the evils of the world. Every race was represented in the room, and we had access to face the result and reality of genocide, slavery, war and our personal and ancestral guilt for all that has happened. We accepted that the nature of this world is impermanence, and that anything we are attached to will change. So we accepted all change - willing for absolutely EVERYTHING to change - bring it on! With that miracle we took a quick break, and came back...

...to let go of the need to have any control over anything in our lives. To accept the primary tenet of all the great religions, which is to turn over control to a higher power, the way Muslims and Christians surrender to the Almighty. Giving up the role of being the captain of your own ship, and letting go of the tiller of your life so that you can lean back and float down the river of the Great Tao. A young woman led us back to the Garden, before we fell in this lifetime, back to when we were whole, where all was everything. With her we faced the passive aggression that was the reason for the failure and of our lives - our lack of success was an attack on God for not taking care of us. We followed the rage to its end, which was, again, God. Our desire to control fell away, and we once again could clearly and plainly see that everything is perfect! How could it not be? The whole idea that anything wrong could happen was ridiculous, hilarious! What freedom, and ease. Life is a delight. We are back in the garden of our happy childhood.

Tomorrow will probably bring another layer of the self-annihilation process, but who knows? Anything could happen, and it will be absolutely perfect!
xxxxxxx
?Lency Spezzano

THURSDAY, JULY 14, 2011
Day 4 of the Women's Seminar
In the morning session all 17 of the participants and I became enlightened. It was hilarious to do it as a group. I highly recommend it.
In the afternoon we moved on to other issues higher on the PoV Triangle, Heart Enlightenment and Communion.


I have never laughed so much in my life as I have this week. We had a party for the Trainers in the seminar afterwards (and Chuck had joined us from Taiwan). It was so funny to see all the women acting like me...speechless, mindless.  :)  Everyone's sense of humor is so outlandish, and, somehow, everyone now can whistle well, even those who couldn't before. The Tao is so amusing.
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?Lency Spezzano

FRIDAY, JULY 15, 2011
The Final Day
In the morning of day 5, the last day of this year's Saving the World through Feminine Power seminar, I taught everyone how to go into the void - thanks, Peter Evans, for bringing this wisdom into our community. When you go into the void, you drop your identity completely to enter the mirror world that quantum physics says is the fundamental source of this universe. It is the anti-matter, non time and space world in which everything is non physical, and the experiences there are nirvana. It is strange to demonstrate the method to a group of people. You drop your self, go have an experience, and when you come back you have to take a few moments to remember who you are, where you are, and what you are doing. It's like waking up from a coma in a strange place with a bunch of people staring at you.  :)  "What am I doing? Oh, demonstrating the void exercise," I said both times I showed them. So funny.

In the afternoon we healed the Oedipus Complex all the way up through to God the Mother. Receiving love and bonding with the Great Mother that had been known in ancient times, but lost to us, was so powerful. And when that bonding was complete, we received the combined and equal love of God the Father (having healed that side of Oedipus earlier in the seminar) and God the Mother at the same time - thus ending the Oedipus Complex. When that occurred, we integrated the archetype of the High Priestess.

The cherry on top is that tonight is the full moon. We know that we fulfilled our mission. From the enlightened viewpoint we now can see that there is no real world to save, only a virtual one. But in this video game called life, the healing of Mother Earth is a milestone, after which we get to move up a level. We play the game of forgiveness and integration until we heal ourselves enough to wake up in the macrocosmic sense. Then the universe will disappear, and we will get the cosmic joke: we never left our real home of Oneness with God. Until then, the 18 of us will enjoy the video. It is hillarious - the Great Tao has SUCH a sense of humor!
xxxxxxx
?Lency Spezzano

SATURDAY, JULY 16, 2011
Enlightenment is no place to camp :)
Being enlightened is so cool. Instead of feeling the world is real, you experience it as being only virtual, like a very good video game. So everything is easy, and it is so fun having so much of the ego gone. From time to time it still tries to reach up and grab your ass through your old habitual patterns that you haven't looked at and healed yet, but you know what it is trying to do, and you just heal it and it then it is back to the fun.


Enlightenment itself was no place to camp, really. PoV takes us to God Realization. The people stuck in enlightenment get pretty bored just knowing that the universe isn't real. They know it is meaningless as a source of anything of value, but they don't realize that it is the classroom of the Holy Spirit, and that the direction is Heaven, waking up in the macrocosmic sense. So they think there is nothing to do. They don't know the object of the game. The participants in the women's seminar spent one two hour lunch break before we went on to heal the next step. After getting Enlightenment of the Heart, they all said it was great to get God back. Then, in the end, receiving Mom and Dad's love together equally, both in the dream sense and in the cosmic sense out of the dream, was just so explosively sweet and touching.

It is raining in Bicester. My plan to take Alex PJ's dog on a hike to the ponds on the huge estate where she lives in the mews will have to be postponed. I love the English countryside. Last night, from our restaurant window, we saw a hare hop by who was so big it looked like a wallaby!
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?Lency Spezzano

SATURDAY, JULY 16, 2011
The Beloved
The final piece of healing to embody the High Priestess archetype came through in my meditation today. It is recovering the relationship with God as the Beloved.

I played this recording as the intro to the last healing of the seminar. Very powerful. A shout out to Melissa and the Great Tao for providing.  :)
http://www.nityama.com/blog/interview.html
xxxxxxx
?Lency Spezzano

In My Defenselessness My Safety Lies
In the last couple of days I had the chance to coach two of the participants from the women's seminar on how to navigate their lives post enlightenment. Like all the women in the group, their lives are completely different. Although things seem to be the same, nothing feels the same, because everything in their lives has shifted into a virtual reality. They wondered how they would go about living their lives. What about their long term goals? What would they do with themselves now? What about their relationships?

Primarily, they needed guidance on letting go of the habitual expectations and demands they had previously had on their lives. Together we went through the process of recognizing that the world could not provide anything that would or could be a source for satisfaction of desires (and it never really could). It was empty, meaningless in that regard. It was only a video game that would lead them on their journey to awaken from the dream. It was not real, and never had been, and could not give them anything real. For example, if you had always wanted to have a baby, would you still want one, knowing that the baby wouldn't be real? If you had been working up to manifesting a partner, would you still want one, knowing that any needs you have could only be satisfied outside the dream, and not by any partner?

They went through the process of letting go of any habitual demands on the world, and anything they had ever wanted from it. They let it burn away to ash, to nothingness. They let go of any possibility of it providing meaning or sustenance.

And as they did, each got the most beautiful expression on their faces. It was the look you see only on small children who haven't figured out that this world is a dangerous, bad place. It was the look of total defenselessness and innocence. The world could not hurt them, because it could not withhold from them what they desired, or cause them any disappointment. The world was a safe place again.

For all of us an adventure lies ahead of us - discovering what it is like to play the game of life this new way in all the situations of our lives...what will be different, while staying the same?
?Lency Spezzano

Needless to say her fellow participants were all paying customers.

So, what have we learned here? Lenora tells us she embodies the "High Priestess" and can now act as a conduit for God. Also, that she bought into that nonsense about 2012. I was personally acquainted with the late José Argüelles, one of the originators of the 2012 scare, which I consider the New Age version of the Y2K paranoia, and I highly suspect even he would've regarded the Spezzanos as plastic shamans, especially if he had viewed Lenora's "downloading" YouTubes.

I wondered who Peter Evans was and found this website from Portland, Oregon, USA--

http://lifeprinthomeopathy.blogspot.com/ (http://lifeprinthomeopathy.blogspot.com/)

Please note it includes this passage [also, see attached]--

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Psychology of Vision... a powerful release technique developed by Chuck and Lency Spezzano, this method is based on the work of A Course in Miracles and The Oneness University.

Looks like Peter and company didn't get the orders from Hawaii to censor all mention of Oneness University. Hey guys, you better hurry up and goose-step with the program before Charles and Lenora brand you as "rebel shadows"!
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 23, 2014, 04:42:06 am
Lenora's enlightenment, Part two:

Freshly enlightened, Lenora contributed to enlightenment.com. Once again, I have cast the more engaging quotes in bold. It highlights the sense of entitlement and feeling of superiority that comes naturally from someone who was raised as an affluent white American. So incredibly patronizing and self-anointing. I think someone's ego wasn't really annihilated and one look at the self-marketing on the current Spezzano website will prove that.

Well, let us proceed--

http://enlightenmentdotcom.ning.com/forum/topics/self-annihilation-process-is-leading-people-to-enlightenment?xg_source=activity (http://enlightenmentdotcom.ning.com/forum/topics/self-annihilation-process-is-leading-people-to-enlightenment?xg_source=activity)

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self annihilation process is leading people to enlightenment

    Posted by Lency Spezzano on August 20, 2011 at 9:58pm in Enlightenment Tools, Technologies, and Teachers
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I'm still in the research stage with this, but it appears that in the Psychology of Vision seminars, and in private sessions, we are able to lead people into enlightenment. My first success at this was with a group of 17 women (myself included) in a seminar in England 6 weeks ago. Since then I have done the process with small groups and individuals in person and over Skype video. PoV Trainers who received this process have produced the same results with their students in a seminar in Japan. (In the Psychology of Vision we have 50 Trainers around the world using the healing model that my husband, Chuck, and I have developed.) A very encouraging result. As best as I can tell, we have something of an enlightenment wave occurring.


Permalink Reply by Anthony Glazer on August 21, 2011 at 11:46am
    What are you calling "enlightenment"?

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 22, 2011 at 9:15am
    It's not an experience of mystical higher consciousness, although the base feeling is one of happiness, freedom and gratitude. The main quality of it is an abiding awareness that the world is an illusion, an absolute trust in the unfolding of the Great Tao, a sense of playing along with things as your "character" in the dream, a sense of detachment from events, being in the world but not of it. Ego still comes up at times to bite your ass, but you are immediately aware of it as your lingering ego, and it is easy to dismantle it. New layers can be annihilated as you progress. Less tolerance of bull. No outside authority. You don't do anything you don't want to do. More efficient at work, but little if any attachment to the outcome. Everything is more fun. But primarily, it is a paradigm shift. Although you might get involved in the dream, you never forget that that is all this reality is - a virtual reality.


Permalink Reply by Anthony Glazer on August 22, 2011 at 11:58am
    Thanks

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 22, 2011 at 8:12pm
    There is also a feeling of emptiness that focuses mostly in the belly, as well as the front of the brain. And a mindlessness that I was already pretty used to, but which has made many of the others laugh at themselves a lot. I watched one of our Trainers, who could normally juggle many technological devices at the same time, while multitasking the life of her family and business, not be able to operate her iPhone. She just laughed and put it away.

Permalink Reply by Anthony Glazer on August 23, 2011 at 7:54am
    In my experience these unusual feelings, sensations, changes in awareness happen constantly as we increase our consciousness.  Eventually we develop an intuitive sense as to their significance, although the meaning often doesn’t appear until later, sometimes long after their occurrence.   Many are simply the result of our turning our attention inward and becoming aware of what has already been going on within us.  But many are new, not at all usual to ordinary life, and which emerge in us as we become able to experience them.

    Certainly the starting point for any real change in ourselves has to be the awareness of a Supreme consciousness in and behind everything, and the realization that our physical senses, our normal mode of functioning as humans gives us only a very limited and false experience.  What we live as humans, our experience of being human, isn’t an illusion in the sense of being unreal, but in the sense of being limited, partial, distorted, false.       

    Enlightenment in one way or another is the process of moving out of this limited human consciousness which traps us, in a sense, and emerging into a higher, greater consciousness, one increasingly closer to that of the Supreme consciousness.  Because there are so many different aspects of this Supreme consciousness, and endless gradations of them, there have developed many different spiritual paths, and also many different views of what enlightenment is, or isn’t, all of them playing different roles throughout human history.

    This often makes very confusing any attempt to find our way through the myriad of traditions, paths, teachers, gurus and what not facing us today.  And although nearly any of them can be a starting point, ultimately we have to develop the capacity to do several things.   The first is to detach ourselves from our thoughts, feelings, emotions, even physical sensations, and watch everything going on in us without any reaction.   For most of us this is very hard to do at first.     

    We are used to identifying with this chaos of activity within ourselves, all the pleasure and pain that goes along with it, and as a result we suffer and have all of the problems of being human.  Because we are so used to it--in fact this normally represents to us our reason for and mode of existence, it is very difficult to change.  The techniques you and many other teachers offer are methods to help us do so. The process of letting go of all this identification is of course the source of seemingly endless difficulties, seemingly endless discussion, and seemingly endless work for numerous healers, guides and teachers.  The process is long and troublesome because of the strength of our old ways of functioning, the intensity of the habits we carry with us, developed not just in this life, but over many lives.

    But as we are able to detach ourselves from all of this inner activity, the attachment to life as we normally see it, we begin to be able to experience some of the larger consciousness behind it, and of which we are normally unaware because it is blocked by this activity, such as peace, joy, and freedom from the concerns and stresses of ordinary life.  We often begin to be aware of our non-physical senses, of the many non-physical forces and beings acting on us and through us of which we are normally unaware, even of the many non-physical worlds and planes of existence and their influence on the world around us.

    And as we are able more and more to live in this calm state, we also begin to be aware of some consciousness, some intelligence guiding us, not usually in words, but in an awareness, a kind of intuitive sense of things, of what should be done, should be said, of the why and meaning of many things in our life and that of others.  This is the Guide we have to learn to follow, this quiet voice, this awareness, eventually even as a spontaneous action, and which only comes in its purity within a calm internal state, free from all human thought, emotion and reaction.   

    As we increasingly let go of all of our attachments to life, we are able more and more to live constantly in our state of peaceful bliss, without need of all of the constant activity and diversions that most of humanity finds so necessary and appealing.  We no longer require much of anything outside of ourselves, and we only need to act when circumstances impose themselves on us, or we receive the impulse to do so from the inner Guide.     

    But this is not our final goal, or merely a preparation for the eventual movement out of the body into some non-physical state of bliss, as is taught in so many spiritual traditions.  Rather it is the base, the foundation for the development of a different kind of consciousness, a different kind of existence, a different form of functioning completely outside anything in human experience.  What you have described here is certainly a necessary step in that direction.

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 23, 2011 at 8:33am
    Right, it's a process. What you are describing is what, in our model, we would call evolution toward God Realization, which is the ultimate goal we are moving toward. In the description I shared earlier, I described the qualities of the shift we have just settled into on our map - enlightenment. It's not the end all; it's just a marker along the path. It is, however, a pretty profound shift compared to the daily steps toward maturity we make, or even the great breakthroughs. It's a radical shift, a huge relief. And, if a person has a lot of emotional courage, and some training, they can accomplish the process pretty quickly. It takes a willingness to die, and a deep desire to end everything that is false about you. It is really not a pretty sight when you look at and digest the horrendous self loathing that is our ego.


    My husband and I are currently working with a group of 90 people in Guangzhou China. Most of them are beginners to my work, so it will be interesting to see how far I can get with them. They are keen to get enlightened, but their level of maturity is low. [Sandy S. interjection: Oh my God! Can you believe this?!?]

Permalink Reply by Anthony Glazer on August 23, 2011 at 11:48am
    But even the ultimate goal of what you are calling God Realization is itself a process: that is, it is not a goal in the sense that we understand it, but rather the eventual movement out of the finite human existence, into the complete consciousness-power of the infinite, of the Supreme on all levels, acting through an individual form in an endless process of self-evolution. This is something that is beyond the human capacity to conceive or experience in any but a very limited way, something that is beyond any spiritual tradition or realization, something that is beyond anything existing on Earth or anywhere else in the universe at present.  Yet it is something that we are moving towards, or rather being pushed towards, and so we need to be aware of it to the extent that we can.  I am not writing lengthy responses to your posts because I enjoy doing so, or I necessarily think that you don’t already understand much of what I say, but rather because your posts touch on important points that in my view need to be clarified.     

    Spiritual development, inner development of the sort we are talking about here, is no longer an option for humanity; it is a necessity, or will be increasingly so as the world conditions inevitably deteriorate, confronting us with innumerable personal and collective crises of many sorts, crises which will more and more be beyond the capacity of traditional human means to solve, whether individually or collectively.  What we are doing by teaching these methods is not just presenting some means for achieving individual happiness or contentment, although that is part of it, but rather teaching how to move ourselves out of the limited experience and power of the human, into an alignment with the infinite power of Divinity.  The extent we can change our consciousness will determine our capacity to adapt to changing world conditions, to move through the inevitable turbulence and difficulties no matter where we are, no matter where we live or in what conditions.     

    Certainly even the awareness of the dynamics we are talking about represents a profound shift in the normal human view of things, and the capacity actually to make the change varies enormously.  What is ultimately being demanded of us is a complete transformation of the human personality, something which none of us, no matter how strong our will, how great our dedication, can accomplish in any short or painless way.  Nonetheless everyone, if they have a real inner need, a sincere will, can make constant progress toward it, even developing the necessary persistence, patience, endurance, strength, courage and trust in the Divine Guide that they don’t have at the outset.  I have seen remarkable examples.

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 23, 2011 at 4:39pm
    I agree with what you are saying. It is why we have the schedule we have, working around the world with as many people as we can, and working with the collective unconscious as well, at every opportunity.     

    I have had many mystical experiences, the most profound being an experience of Oneness with God that was, in my estimation, a brief experience of our true, ultimate reality. It was outside of the physical universe, outside of time and space. It is awakening from the dream at that level that is my goal. Anything within the dream is just a means to that end, just a lesson for reintegration and forgiveness that will heal the belief in sin, guilt and fear that tie us to our idea of separation.     

    Enlightenment, per se, isn't mystical in itself. It's a paradigm shift. I think Jed McKenna does a very good job of defining what enlightenment is and is not in his Enlightenment trilogy. Have you read that, Anthony?       

Permalink Reply by Anthony Glazer on August 23, 2011 at 6:53pm
    I've only watched a few of his videos.       

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 24, 2011 at 8:35am
    Oh, no kidding? I highly recommend them. The first one is Spiritual Enlightenment, the Damndest Thing. A very engaging read.  :)   

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 26, 2011 at 8:57am
    I did the first annihilation process with the Chinese group, and despite being new to the work, they did very well. As well as a group of Buddhist monks and nuns in Taiwan, and better than the Japanese and Germans I have done the process with. On Sunday I will do another self-annihilation process and an enlightenment download.

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 28, 2011 at 7:50pm
    The Chinese did excellently on the second annihilation process and the enlightenment download they received on the last day of the seminar here. Almost everyone got through. I wish I could speak and write Mandarin, so I could get feedback about how they are feeling today. I'm sure I will get some feedback eventually. But they did tell me yesterday that they felt a great sense of emptiness and freedom after the first annihilation session two days before. Seminar participants in China are an interesting mix of people. More billionaires as well as mafia dons than we see in any other place. I wouldn't have dreamed that I could talk about God and all things spiritual here, but it works because I am not promoting any particular religion or cult. And the people are so hungry for it. This is the place we feel our work is most needed, in the grand scheme of things.

I'm still in the research stage with this, but it appears that in the Psychology of Vision seminars, and in private sessions, we are able to lead people into enlightenment.
My first success at this was with a group of 17 women (myself included) in a seminar in England 6 weeks ago. Since then I have done the process with small groups and individuals in person and over Skype video. PoV Trainers who received this process have produced the same results with their students in a seminar in Japan. (In the Psychology of Vision we have 50 Trainers around the world using the healing model that my husband, Chuck, and I have developed.) A very encouraging result. As best as I can tell, we have something of an enlightenment wave occurring.

Permalink Reply by Lency Spezzano on August 30, 2011 at 4:47am
    I got this feedback from a woman from Switzerland that I did an individual session with on the enlightenment process over Skype video. No feedback yet on how the Chinese group did.     

    Dear Lency,

    I am really happy. I feel in a flow and there is one major difference. If something happens or I do a mistake I don't feel guilty. It is a great relief, and I can easily accept how things are. The ease is also because I have no fear and worries anymore. Therefore my relationship with my husband and my children feels peaceful :-)

    I am conscious when the ego jumps in but it is not a problem.

    Thank you sooo much for your help and guidance
    Love xxxxxxx


    ?Lency Spezzano

I cannot find the "research" supposedly conducted by Lenora in any professional journals. Like everything else about SALPOV, they are accountable to no one and respond to all criticism with either silence, deleting the online evidence, posting outright reactionary untruths (as we have very ably documented on this forum), or making legal threats. I suspect the only research conducted by Spezzano and Associates is economic; how they can improve their profit margin by ripping off the latest New Age fad. That seems to be their "soul pattern."

"Less tolerance of bull"? Then how can Lenora tolerate herself? "No outside authority"? Well, at least that part is consistent. The Spezzanos have been very adept at sidestepping government regulatory agencies and avoiding all responsibility for the consequences of the pain they have caused. I still maintain they should foot the bill for SALPOV survivor exit counseling, especially in British Columbia. But according to Lenora that is all just a virtual video world and not real. How very convenient.

But wait a minute, here I am trying to apply logic to the policy of a couple of grifters. Every charge will be met by some doubletalk. As we have demonstrated many times on this forum nothing either of the Spezzanos claim can be taken at face value. And when we catch them in a lie they just counter with another lie as evidenced by Lenora's recent online broadside ironically entitled The Truth About Chuck and Lency Spezzano and the Psychology of Vision.

Becoming enlightened is just part of being alive, and every individual has their own independent way of finding it. You don't need the self-appointed "high priestess" at the expensive for-profit SALPOV to shepherd you.   
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on June 29, 2014, 11:47:29 pm
The academic credentials of Charles Lee Spezzano has been a topic of conversation in this forum in the past. In examining a copy of his PhD dissertation, even more questions can be raised and further falsehoods in Lenora Kay Spezzano's "Truth" rant are revealed.

The "Dr." prefix used so often by Charles Lee Spezzano is an academic, not medical, title. He earned a PhD. in "Professional Psychology" from United States International University in San Diego in 1977.

At the time he was awarded this degree, the school was not accredited by the APA, hence this degree alone would be useless by most hiring authorities. In his LinkedIn page, his own SALPOV webpage, and in Lenora's recent "Truth" screed, we are told Charles Lee Spezzano's degree is in "Counseling Psychology."

But as we can see by the attachment this is not true.

So we have found yet another Spezzano lie to add to the long list of SALPOV misrepresentations.

This is not a trivial detail. It is important. In the academic world this is called Faking Your Academic Credentials and would result in being let go. Kicked out. Fired. For Lying.

Is there a difference between a degree in "Professional Psychology" and his claimed "Counseling Psychology"? Apparently there is. It looks like it varies from school to school, but it would appear the former is more generic, academic and quirky in nature, while the latter has more medical gravity. Plus, the former is somewhat more unusual. At USIU I am guessing this was sort of a made-up interdisciplinary degree and presented as an innovation at the time. Not a bad idea, actually. So why are the Spezzanos running away from it? I thought they liked the "cutting edge"? I am truly mystified.

The thesis is entitled The Words That Love Made--A Poetic Phenomenology of the Poet's Experience in Being a Poet. As far as I can see this effort did not involve any field work or medical research. Rather, it reads like a term paper required for a Masters Degree in Literature program, generously padded for thickness with lots of poetry by famous poets, and some poetic prose by Charles himself. Indeed, the library holding the copy I am reading has used the US Library of Congress classification PN1031, which is for poetry, not psychology.

Most dissertations make for dry reading, and this one is no exception. I won't even try to critique the content, but it seems clear Spezzano feels an allegiance to Jung. I am not a Jungian, but that is beside the point. Our problem with SALPOV is, as Grifter's Hotel always said, about behaviour, not belief.

There are some parts of this thesis that might be of interest to SALPOV watchers everywhere. Here's a passage from leaf 38--

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The investigator's interest in the poetic path as a healing path came as a result of his work as a counselor. For the last three and one-half years, he has worked as a psychologist for the Federal Government at the Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center at NAS Miramar, San Diego, California.

Let me get this straight. He doesn't have his PhD yet but he is already a "psychologist"? This Navy=psychologist claim is repeated even today on YouTube, his own current SALPOV webpage (see attached), and in Lenora's "Truth" screed (in the same document she claims "I have never heard him refer to himself as a psychologist." Oh how nice it must be to live in such denial). I'm confused. Even after he was awarded his doctorate, he still couldn't legally (in the United States) call himself a "psychologist," so what gives? I sense a semantic shell game taking place here.

It seems that many people who hold a PhD in "Professional Psychology" had to get a second degree or go through significant continuing education before settling into private practice as a true professional. Spezzano's only post-PhD education was attending classes at Oneness University in 2007, quoted as one of his two "greatest inspirations" but became an educational activity which was purged from his LinkedIn resume and other websites early this year for some reason.

He's not a clinical psychologist. He's not a counseling psychologist. He's not any kind of psychologist. He is, as he and Lenora will both tell you, a "coach." So wouldn't it be more accurate to call their for-profit enterprise "Coaching of Vision"? 

So what has Charles done with this fabulous education other than make fools of vulnerable wealthy people? Well, we have these fine writings from his collaboration with Janie Ticehurst in the Healing Metaphors--

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Diarrhea

Diarrhea is the frequent passage of abnormally watery bowel movements.

This symptom comes from the feeling that we "don’t have our shit together" about some issue or area in our life. There are feelings of loss of control and courage or feeling unprepared and disorganized.

Diarrhea reflects a fear of the next step because we have not yet handled this particular area of our life. We are "running" for it.

Classy, isn't it? Diarrhea is a major killer in the world of poverty. But that passage is not nearly as offensive as the next one. Asian readers please take special note--

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Down's Syndrome

Down’s syndrome is a congenital abnormality (one that is present at birth). It is the result of having an extra chromosome in our genetic make-up, usually number 21 or 22.

Down’s causes moderate to severe mental retardation, oriental appearance of eyes, flat nose or absent bridge of nose, a single palmer [sic] crease on a short broad hand and a dwarfed body.

If we have Down’s syndrome, it means that we have come to learn some lessons at a soul level. We are here to seek soul fulfillment and the completion of a cycle, yet we are stuck in the transition between the old level and the new.

The two main soul lessons of Down’s syndrome are correcting over-willfulness and giving up the ego’s plan in exchange for heaven’s plan.

If Spezzano's fellow American Madison Grant was alive today I am sure he would've heartily endorsed SALPOV's view of human frailties, foibles,  race, and birth defects. Like I said, I am not a Jungian, but I wonder what Carl would've made out of the Spezzano/Ticehurst definition of Down's Syndrome?

Remember what SALPOV cult follower Jeremy Marchant wrote before it was mysteriously vanished from Internet--

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"A primary source of emotional intelligence at work‘s EI material is based on Psychology of Vision, as developed by Chuck Spezzano.  This takes a largely mainstream post-Freudian approach [see, for example, Eric Berne, A layman’s guide to psychiatry and psychoanalysis] and elaborates it with extensive borrowings from other sources of which Carl Jung, NLP and transactional analysis are the most obvious. Chuck’s genius is to keep the complexity but hide it from the client (unless the client is interested in it) so as to provide a powerful transformational approach."

That isn't all Charles would hide from the client.

Somewhere, on another plane of existence, Carl Jung is probably puking his guts out.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sturmboe on June 30, 2014, 05:45:45 pm

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Diarrhea

Diarrhea is the frequent passage of abnormally watery bowel movements.

This symptom comes from the feeling that we "don’t have our shit together" about some issue or area in our life. There are feelings of loss of control and courage or feeling unprepared and disorganized.

Diarrhea reflects a fear of the next step because we have not yet handled this particular area of our life. We are "running" for it.


Many deseases got in the psychosomatic its relationship between somatic, physis and psychic reactions. In these keys there are little wellknown details but they are not coherent to the psychological issue that it is understandable - but some can reflect themselves.
People with eating disorders, Bulimia nervosa or Anorexia nervos, who are abusing laxative have got an psychic issue: A lot of these people got not a good relationship to their own body, not to them as a person. Eating disorders are a way for a self - destructions like suicide step by step.


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Diarrhea
There are feelings of loss of control and courage or feeling unprepared and disorganized.
Diarrhea reflects a fear of the next step because we have not yet handled this particular area of our life. We are "running" for it.

In these both sentences people with eating disorders basing of a psychological issue can reflect themselves. POV claimes on, they had to take a deep look why they hide from their problem. But how this reflecting will go its way by POV I fear this could end in a catastrophy.

Chuck Spezzona tells he is just a coach, and this means (maybe?) that he got no intention to help in a pschological way. Coaching is much easier, with a distance to individual substantiated treatment, people can use his advises and what then happened is another matter, but not more in the responsibility of POV

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Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 02, 2014, 02:44:52 am
Occasionally I'll run across references where Charles Lee Spezzano was the performer at a wedding ceremony and marry people (e.g. Michael North).

Anyone know under what religious authority he delivered this service?

According to the Hawaii Dept. of Health--

https://emrs.ehawaii.gov/emrs/public/registration.html
 (https://emrs.ehawaii.gov/emrs/public/registration.html)

 
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There are four types of marriage and/or civil union performers in the State of Hawaii ...

    Religious

    Religious Marriage Performer

    Minister, priest, or officer of any religious denomination or society who has been ordained or is authorized to solemnize marriages according to the usages of such denomination or society, or any religious society not having clergy but providing solemnization in accordance with the rules and customs of that society (HRS §572-12)

    Religious Civil Union Perfomer
    Any ordained or licensed member of the clergy (Act 1, section -4(b), Session Laws 2011)

   Judge

    Judge for Marriage Performer
    Any justice, judge or magistrate, active or retired, of a state or federal court in the State (HRS §572-12).

    Judge for Civil Union Performer
    Any judge or retired judge, including a federal judge or judge from another state who may legally join persons in chapter 572 or a civil union, (Act 1, section -4(b), Session Laws 2011)

Obviously Spezzano falls into one of the first two categories. Anyone out there know the details? Was it via his association with the Unity Church, which is quickly becoming the American front organisation for Oneness University in many cities? Example below--

http://unityhouston.org/get-involved/oneness-ministry/oneness-travel-program/ (http://unityhouston.org/get-involved/oneness-ministry/oneness-travel-program/)

Here is the text of Hawaii Revised Statutes 572-12

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572-12 By whom solemnized


A license to solemnize marriages may be issued to, and the marriage rite may be performed and solemnized by any minister, priest, or officer of any religious denomination or society who has been ordained or is authorized to solemnize marriages according to the usages of such denomination or society, or any religious society not having clergy but providing solemnization in accordance with the rules and customs of that society, or any justice or judge or magistrate, active or retired, of a state or federal court in the State, upon presentation to such person or society of a license to marry, as prescribed by this chapter. Such person or society may receive the price stipulated by the parties or the gratification tendered.

Hawaii Revised Statutes - Division 1: Government - Title 31: Family - Chapter 572: Marriage - Part 1: Requisites, Procedures [CC 1859, §1285; RL 1925, §2950; am L 1929, c 104, §6; RL 1935, §4640; RL 1945, §12361; RL 1955, §323-12; HRS §572-12; am L 1969, c 19, §2; am L 1974, c 15, §1]

It would be good to know the theological foundation and qualifications of Charles the wedding performer.




Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 04, 2014, 03:46:56 pm
Today the USA is celebrating "Independence Day."

Since the Spezzanos regard "Independence" as a negative attribute, I'd like to extend the meaning of this American holiday to celebrate the SALPOV survivors worldwide who had the courage to turn around, walk away from this personality cult, and get their lives back. There is much more to living than feeding the Spezzano bank account.

Happy Independence Day! Welcome back!

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 12:42:44 pm
I am sure a lot of the nuances of the original meaning of the following post have been lost in the not always accurate Google translation, but in some ways it has produced some gems. I particularly like the mention of Charles Lee Spezzano "guiding thousands of dollars in therapy groups and individual talks ..."

Here's a link to the original--

http://pov.tw/events/49%E6%9C%88%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E5%8A%A0%E6%B2%B9%E7%AB%99%E5%88%86%E4%BA%AB%E6%9C%83-4-2014-07-09/ (http://pov.tw/events/49%E6%9C%88%E7%94%9F%E6%B4%BB%E5%8A%A0%E6%B2%B9%E7%AB%99%E5%88%86%E4%BA%AB%E6%9C%83-4-2014-07-09/)

And here's the Google translation. Highlights are mine--

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From April to September, "life stations" Sharing
July 09 perception association activities no comments

Date / Time
Date (s) - 2014/07/09
6:30 pm - 9:00 pm

Address
China Wenchang activity center in Delhi

Category

    Perception association activities


Our lives will have many big and small problems or doubts, bring emotional ups and downs that we hope to share their feelings through stories and the life course, in emotional self-healing process, providing mutual support and full of energy companionship, witnessed the courage and extraordinary life.

Leading: percent of seniors who know see

Date: Every second and fourth Wednesday of each month at 6:30 pm to 9:00 twice.

04/09, 04/23; 05/07, 05/21; 06/11, 06/25, 07/09, 07/23, 08/13, 08/27, 09/10, 09/24

Location: Wenchang Road, Shihlin District, Taipei City 211 Edward Wenchang Activity Center

Reference: dedication

Introduction

This book is a book full of practical wisdom, Chuck. Dr. Spiegel Sanna his thirty years of counseling experience, this book will bring to the unity of our hearts. The book describes how to fragment our hearts are obstacles in our lives ? ? We are frustrated by the bitter reality, words and deeds toward just another tragic ending.

This book will give us strength, indicating the end of our lives are all sorts of personal choice, how can we use our right to choose to let their thoughts and outer life one. This book provides tools we need to change in order that we can enjoy more for long life and enjoy the love, everyone can be released from the pain via treatment and understanding.

If you read this book, if you really ?? exercise book, one thing is guaranteed that you will no longer blindly toward broken hearts again. This book allows you to regain your strength and your heart, your heart is a fountain of life happiness.

About the Author

Chuck. Spitzer Sanna (Chuck Spezzano, Ph.D.), Psychology of the founders.

Dr. Counseling Psychology American International University in San Diego, in 1972 began his career counselor to family therapy, marital counseling, child counseling professional background, guiding thousands of dollars in therapy groups and individual talks and addiction treatment had planned workshops, and served as a psychologist in California Naval addiction center.

Twenty years ago, he was inspired by "A Course in Miracles" (A Course in Miracles), and the reference to Gestalt therapy (Gestalt Therapy), hypnosis (Hypnotherapy), neurological linguistics (NLP) and other principles of treatment, and wife Nancy (Lency) jointly developed the emotional and spiritual treatment approach ? ? perception psychology. At present this method has been held in many international seminars, workshops, training courses, and Chuck spend more than two hundred days a year traveling around the world teaching.

Now, more than nine countries translated Chuck over 20 books, including the popular was "hurt, not love." The past 10 years, Chuck and more people will look to focus on business achievements and difficulties, he believes the new century, for-profit companies should not only target, but to be able to fully realize the meaning of life and the purpose of life. Chuck and his wife currently live in Hawaii Ohana island.

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 07:51:27 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 1

The time has come for us to systematically address Lenora Kay Spezzano's recent online document where she attempted to answer the growing number of Spezzano and Associates Ltd. Psychology of Vision (SALPOV) critics and gain some spin control. My reproduction of her text is for the purpose of nonprofit review, consumer education, and providing even more leads for law enforcement and the media.

Although in the legal notice colophon the website owner is identified as Spezzano and Associates Ltd. (not Psychology of Vision-- interesting, isn't it?), the entire work has a running note in the bottom margin-- "Copyright © 2014 The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision." This would suggest the "The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision" is yet another independent entity. Did they file Articles of Incorporation under that name in Hawaii? Otherwise this copyright statement is useless.

www.the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com (http://www.the-truth-about-chuck-and-lency-spezzano.com)

As simple citizen investigators from several different nations, we do not have the resources of law enforcement or professional media, but we have done our best to gather available evidence to educate the public about the SALPOV cult. We are aware both law enforcement and some media are using the information we are providing. The horse is out of the barn.

So let us embark on this granular examination of Lenora's reaction--
 
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Introduction   

Hi – I’m Lency Spezzano, and if you are reading this, it may well be because your search engine led you to a blog that is claiming peculiar things about my husband Chuck and myself, and the Psychology of Vision. Normally, we would not respond to Internet attack; unfortunately, the level of zeal involved in this libel is so high, and the accusations are so bizarre, I feel we need to respond with the truth, in support of the many thousands of people around the world that are doing the Psychology of Vision work, who could be hurt by the slander in some way.

Notice the words used here: peculiar, attack, zeal, libel, accusations, bizarre, slander. And that is only in the first paragraph! She is rounding up the wagons against those heathens and instilling a sense of fear in her cult followers to keep them in line. Objective non-cult viewers will immediately see this for what it is. From this point on Lenora has given up on recruiting new people, she is merely trying to defend the profit margin supplied by the vulnerable people who bought into this SALPOV fantasy.

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The attacks on us claim:

"That Chuck and I have falsified our educational background information; that we have created a cult so we could be worshipped as its leaders; that we damage vulnerable people in our seminars in assorted terrible ways; that we have targeted Indigenous people for financial gain; that we are simply cons running a scam for money, and other complete falsehoods."

She has the above passage in quotes, which is strange since the original source is nowhere online. Perhaps it exists in an as yet unreleased legal document to be served on us critics. But in fact the educational background of both Spezzanos has been falsified by their self-purged mention of attendance at Oneness University in 2007, and the fact is Charles does not have a PhD in Counseling Psychology as SALPOV websites claim, according to his dissertation it is "Professional Psychology." Unaccredited by the APA, I might add. The English language POV Trainer's Manual, which has been deleted online after we brought attention to it, clearly proves SALPOV is a personality cult. The German POV Trainer's Manual disproves her First Nations claim. I don't think the Spezzanos are "simply cons running a scam for money." I think that in addition to that they enjoy the ego/power trip. Lenora's YouTubes confirm that last point.   

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These deceptions have been picked up and spread by individuals who are hiding behind false identities, so as not to be accused of, or charged with, “cyber-harassment.” [1] Acting as if their motivation were to protect the vulnerable, rather than to intentionally do harm, the various bloggers combed through our past looking for anything to use against us, and when they couldn’t find anything improper, they started inventing improprieties out of thin air. The attackers invented malicious quotes, supposedly written or spoken by us, falsified input from “experts” and even fabricated names of books we have supposedly written. The people who engineered this campaign against us have never met us or attended any of our seminars, and they know no person who has been damaged in our seminars. I can say this with confidence, because I am certain that we would have heard about such an occurrence if it happened. We would have received negative feedback on the seminar feedback form, as well as feedback from our Trainers who live in that community and were friends with all the participants.

First off, many people who have bad experiences with both Spezzanos throughout the past do not want to be identified. Apparently the Spezzanos are known to be vindictive and prone to tantrums. And some of their followers are not any better. Those of us who are SALPOV watchers are in possession of more information than we can make public because we do not want to screw up the lives of our sources. I'll just say the world of SALPOV and those who have been in the Spezzanos' wake is not entirely comprised of obedient zombies. The spark of critical thinking keeps the fire of human individualism alive.

Also, there are several SALPOV critics over the last few years who have used their real names. At least one of them had to contact the RCMP over threatening emails from an unbalanced SALPOV devotee.

Second, the whole cyber-harassment charge is a non-issue. SALPOV is in the public arena. Free speech is free speech. It amuses me that an organisation that has skirted around the law for so long in terms of avoiding government regulations and licensing is suddenly quoting it to defend themselves. "Free speech for me, but not for thee." Interesting they quote a USA source but sent their bogus legal letter to Canadians.

Third, this quote: "Acting as if their motivation were to protect the vulnerable, rather than to intentionally do harm, the various bloggers combed through our past looking for anything to use against us, and when they couldn’t find anything improper, they started inventing improprieties out of thin air. The attackers invented malicious quotes, supposedly written or spoken by us, falsified input from 'experts' and even fabricated names of books we have supposedly written."

Actually we found a lot that was improper. And we are generously sharing it with people more powerful than ourselves in several countries. No authorities have told us our data is unwelcome. As for the rest, Lenora needs to provide examples of the supposed inventions, falsified input, and fabricated book titles. Personally, I have no idea what she is talking about.

Fourth, we have dealt with this claim earlier on this forum: "The people who engineered this campaign against us have never met us or attended any of our seminars, and they know no person who has been damaged in our seminars. I can say this with confidence, because I am certain that we would have heard about such an occurrence if it happened. We would have received negative feedback on the seminar feedback form, as well as feedback from our Trainers who live in that community and were friends with all the participants."

This is Lenora living in denial. Apparently she didn't watch the APTN broadcast and does not follow the data presented on this forum by people on Haida Gwaii. I attribute this to her wealthy upbringing, where the problems of little people do not register on her radar. But my comrades might have another opinion.

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The original attackers are doing this to us – as best as I can tell – not because there is any form of evidence that we have done anything wrong, but as a political means of hurting the feelings and reputations of certain First Nations elders and leaders who have been our friends and supporters of our work for over 20 years; it hurts our friends if the attackers hurt us. The attackers want the Psychology of Vision work to not be helpful to Residential School Survivors, and other First Nations people. But the Psychology of Vision is nothing like what they claim. It has proven to be very beneficial to Residential School Survivors, as well as other Canadians (click to see letters of support from First Nations and other Canadian students of PoV Canadian Testimonials). just as it has been helpful to people all around the world. The Psychology of Vision does not replace cultures with a new culture, it leverages people on the spiritual path they are already on. (Click on this link to see a short story describing one example of First Nations Residential School Survivors’ healings ? The Miracles of Forgiveness)

And here Lenora plays the victim. In SALPOV, if you are victim that means you brought your malady upon yourself because you are guilty of something. So according to SALPOV doctrine we troublemaking critics are playing a role we are destined to play in helping liberate the cult followers so they can join the rest of us in the real world. And the problem with this is-- what?

Oh. Wait a minute. I forgot. The problem is this-- it interferes with the Spezzano & Associates Ltd. profit margin.

Speaking personally, I was interested in the Spezzanos before I knew about their presence on Haida Gwaii.

The testimonials are about as valuable as cheap "zombie points" in a video game. There is no one in there with any respected objective, academic, cultural, or government credentials. The whole point was to round up the cult followers and have them give a loyalty pledge. And it plainly comes across that way.

"The Psychology of Vision does not replace cultures with a new culture, it leverages people on the spiritual path they are already on." Excuse me? How does annihilating the ego and performing Deeksha blessings fit into Haida culture? This is a very arrogant and Ugly American colonist statement. It was this kind of thinking that got the USA into Vietnam, and maybe Haida Gwaii will be the Vietnam for SALPOV. 

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It is a strange position to be in, to have spent your entire career in the helping field, to have received honors and appreciation from people and organizations around the world for your work (for example, see endnote)[2] and ultimately, in your sixties, have people who do not even know you do everything they can to ruin you and your family.

My question is-- how were they able to get away with this nonsense for so long without being held accountable by governments or the press to a greater degree?

The example award presented to Charles Lee Spezzano was given by group headed by his buddy, Michael North, making this an insular recognition. 

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Many of the attacks accuse us of targeting First Nations people for financial gain. In actuality, rather than “take” money from First Nations, Chuck and I have donated around 30 3-day seminars to First Nations communities over the last 20 years, and have brought $1.5 million USD of donations to BC in their support. All of the Internet attacks against us have been this far off base.

Read the German language POV Trainers Manual, Section K. We'll get into more detail as we go along.
 
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References and Footnotes

1. States have enacted ‘cyberstalking’ or ‘cyberharassment’ laws or have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within more traditional stalking or harassment laws.” See, “State Cyberstalking and Cyberharassment Laws,” National Conference of State Legislature (NCLS). http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx (http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx) (accessed Feb. 2, 2014).
 
2. Here is a link to a video of Chuck receiving a “Hero of Forgiveness” award at the annual Hawai’i International Forgiveness Day event held at the Hawaii State Capital in July, 2012. https://vimeo.com/84539619 (https://vimeo.com/84539619) 

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open.       
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 08:35:10 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 2


In her next installment, Lenora tells us she was basically pretty ignorant on the Wild West anarchy of the Internet. This "paradigm shift" reveals that perhaps she is not as "cutting edge" as she thinks when it comes to social change and cultural trends.

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The Nature of The Internet   

Most people don’t understand the nature of the Internet – I certainly didn’t until this happened to us. Lies can be put on just one blog, and they get shared and re-shared by people looking for material for their own blogs, which then gets shared again and again and again, running up the number of “hits” of viewers. They all feed off of each other for new content to stay competitive. If an attack of this kind happens to you, in a short time, any Google search on your name or company brings up the false information and attacks before real information about you can be found. Soon, the entire first page of the search can be nothing but attack, and a recent study shows that 89% of Internet users do not look beyond the first page of results. That can be catastrophic for any individual or business targeted by this kind of Internet criminal.

Yes, lies get repeated over and over such as-- Charles Lee Spezzano is psychologist! She bemoans the lack of critical thinking by Internet users, yet refers to people who apply critical thinking regarding her activities as "criminal." We'd all like to have our cake and eat it too, but life doesn't work that way most of the time.   

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The bulk of the attack against us is supposedly from Indigenous people, but my research showed me that in some cases these bloggers are only pretending to be First Nations, and appear to have even destroyed the lives of some Indigenous healers. The sad thing is that many individuals doing research on the Internet view these blogs as gospel, not realizing the nature of the Internet or what makes a credible source.

Once again, she cries about lack of critical thinking, but whines when it is directed at her activities. I am not acquainted with all of the SALPOV investigators and survivors, but the people I have communicated with come from different countries and cultures. We share a universal concern about the damage being done by the Spezzanos. Some of the critics come from the New Age community and a few of them are fairly close to Ground Zero. Not all is happiness and light within the Spezzano cult.

Perhaps her premise that the "bulk of the attack against us is supposedly from Indigenous people" is due to this forum hosting several of us. Many critics who are not FN have signed on to this forum because here we can share research and our interests overlap with the mission of NAFPS.   

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It is easy enough to prove what your finances have been, and what your education was, but it is another thing to try to prove what is in your heart. How does one prove that they are not a “predator?” How does one defend their motives?

First, SALPOV has yet to reveal their finances. We are especially interested in that Swiss bank account. No joke, SALPOV has one. Second, there are valid questions about the educational background of Charles Lee Spezzano. Third, motives are revealed by actions. We'll get to all of these as we progress.

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The people leading this character assassination campaign against us, and the bloggers who support them on their forums, do not appear to be the least bit interested in hearing the truth about us. Whenever someone has tried to correct the false information on the websites, their comments were either never posted or were removed quickly. One of the bloggers often boasts that he cannot be caught or stopped. If that is true, it is a sad state of affairs for the future of the Internet.

On the contrary, the critics have gone to great effort to learn the truth and share it. She calls this "character assassination." We call it "enlightenment" and educating the public. It will be a sad state of affairs when free speech is curtailed on the Internet thanks to the likes of cult leaders such as Lenora Kay Spezzano.

Many critical comments were removed from Lenora's YouTube videos and on SALPOV Facebook pages. When it comes to removing and deleting uncomfortable data, the SALPOV machine holds the prize. It is very Soviet-like in that way. I am not aware of any SALPOV comments being removed from the websites of critics. In order to make a point, the late Morty the Dog asked that SALPOV defenders also pay $1000 before posting comments since Charles Lee Spezzano charges $1000 for a personal consultation. And SALPOV supporter Julian Ticehurst actually became a member of this forum, but he deleted his posts and backed out by his own choice from what I understand.

I have no idea who boasts they cannot be caught or stopped, but I have found it amusing to read Lenora's psychological profile of some of her critics, particularly the initial Ripoff Report author who I know personally. Lenora is pretty clueless. And I mean REALLY clueless.

Some of our sources have been closer than she thinks.

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I am hoping that if you hear a little about Chuck’s and my history, you will not readily believe that we are exploiting the Indigenous peoples we have actually honored and supported, pro bono, with our energy and resources for the past 20 years.

If you are interested in the truth about who we are, I would like to tell you a little bit about our background and the work that we do in the Psychology of Vision. The accusations will each be addressed, but I feel it fair to state here that all of the cyber-attacks on us that I have read are completely untrue, and in fact, in every case, they are the exact opposite of the truth.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 08:56:43 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 3

In this segment Lenora gives us an occupational autobiography, probably her strongest chapter in this online document. We see an earnest young woman out to do good. Frankly, her academic credentials are more impressive to me than those of Charles. Her encounter group experience was a hot and hip new activity at the time. It also messed up a lot of people since there was little follow-up (sound familiar?)

She entered public service with the best of intentions. But at some point something turned weird. Why?

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Lency Spezzano, Professional Background   

I graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from the University of Arizona in 1975. Because the U of A had the best school in the nation for Rehabilitation Counseling, I stayed there for my graduate studies, and completed my Master of Science degree with High Distinction in 1976, specializing in working with deaf and multiply [sic] disabled deaf people. (My full name at the time was Lenora Kay Abel; Lency is the nickname I have had all my life.) I completed the regular psychiatric supervision for the practicum and internship elements of the M.Sc. program before graduating, working as a counselor for the Community Outreach Program for the Deaf in Tucson, Arizona. From 1976–77 I also served as their Coordinator of Counseling.

Of all the coursework I did in psychology when I was in school, my favorite classes included participation in what was called “encounter groups.” As an under-grad I was a participant, and in grad school I was a trained leader of these group encounters. The concept was for participants in the group to gain psychological benefit through increased self-awareness and social sensitivity, and to change behavior through interpersonal confrontation, self-disclosure and strong emotional expression. In these groups we communicated, took risks, and got to know each other in a therapeutic way that helped us understand ourselves better and supported our emotional growth and maturity. That background in having a therapeutic effect with a group of people, rather than just one person at a time in counseling, had a major influence on the work I developed as my contribution to the Psychology of Vision.

Not long after I received my M.Sc. degree, I was invited to Hawaii to write grants to develop much-needed programs and services for Hawaii’s deaf and hearing-impaired population. I accepted the challenge, working first as the Director of Honolulu’s Information and Referral Service from 1977- 78, as the Director of the Hawaii Center on Deafness from 1978-79, and the State Coordinator of Services for the Deaf for the State of Hawaii, Department of Social Services, Division of Vocational Rehabilitation, from 1979-81.

So I have to wonder. What does Lenora think of the Charles Lee Spezzano/Janie Ticehurst "Healing Metaphor" on deafness?

 
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  Deafness

    Deafness is a complete or partial lack of the ability to hear.

    It signifies that there is something that we don’t want to hear either about relationship (left ear), or career (right ear).

    We have a fear of our purpose, and there is something that we are refusing to learn. There is an area where we have cut ourselves off, which is holding us back from joining the dance of life.

    Because we want to do things our way, there is something we don’t want to hear from others or from within. Deafness means we have some stubbornness and unwillingness to listen and communicate.

Just wondering.

Back to Lenora's story--

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As I matured, my interest in my spiritual development and personal growth also grew, and to support my own evolution, I developed a support program for children with life-threatening illness and their families. That program is still in operation today under the name “HUGS” (Help, Understanding and Group Support) – previously called “The Young People’s Support Center.” The program was based on concepts from A Course in Miracles[1], and it was an astounding success.

Red Flag 1, Course in Miracles.

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There was so much joy at our parties, passers-by at the church where we held our bi-weekly events often wanted to join the group, never imagining that it was a gathering of children with life-threatening illnesses and their families. Even our funerals were such loving, joyful celebrations of life that they turned into parties that lasted for hours and hours – no one ever wanted to leave.

I learned so much from those kids and their families; the healing I received in the process, and the skills that I developed in that rarified atmosphere served me well in later years as I developed the feminine aspect of the Psychology of Vision – the “joining method,” which uses grace as a healing tool.

"Joining." Red Flag 2. Also, the self-directed "served me well."

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Through my work in this program, I learned that – however human beings self-identify in terms of age, ethnicity, sexuality, gender, socio-economics, religious beliefs, educational backgrounds and levels of health – we could come together in a purely horizontal, equal level of relationship. And whenever that happened (a rare event in this world, because of the competitive nature of our egos), people from diverse backgrounds and ages would see themselves as the same, as equals, through a beautiful extra element that also showed up in their joining: Love. In fact, all thirteen of us who came together to create the program, did it on this horizontal basis. I was the one who had the paying job to run the program, but that did not make me more important than those who were doing what they were doing as a gift. I was simply in a leadership position that could facilitate the process.

I'm a little confused here. First we're told Lenora developed the program, but then she says a group of 13 people shaped this thing. She "was the one who had the paying job to run the program." Very well. Apparently still a public servant at this time, did her superiors know she was basically mixing Church and State? Well, it was the Reagan era. If one of my staff people came to me today and declared they were basing their customer service on A Course in Miracles, it would seriously undermine my confidence in their ability to think critically and do their job. Case study: I actually had a supervisor who was a Course in Miracles follower. He was universally hated by the whole organisation and his departure was widely celebrated. "Manifesting" and magic thinking didn't work too well for him. 

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The love at our Support Center events was so palpable that it was like being in another, higher dimension, one in which love was the natural reality. And where there is love like that, emotional healing occurs automatically. As a result, I became an avid student of love, wanting to know how much love there is available to feel. And, as my capacity to give and receive love grew, I discovered that love is a very powerful healing tool.

"Another, higher dimension." Red Flag 3.

This passage about Love brings to mind a documentary about the Beatles from a couple decades ago called It Was Twenty Years Ago Today. In it, that old Yippie, Abbie Hoffman, was asked, "Is love all you need?"

"No," he responded, "It's nice to have. It's nice, as in peace. But it is not, and this is basically the flaw in Beatle politics: Justice is all you need."   

As we seen earlier in this forum within the insensitive remarks by Charles Lee Spezzano concerning the FN residential school survivors and other people who have suffered from the cruelty of humankind or disease, the victims are to blame and seeking "justice" just isn't in the 3 card deck.

Rather than seeking justice, SALPOV victims are told to employ forgiveness, which comes at a very expensive service fee. Yet, when it comes to those of us who dare to offer accurate critiques of SALPOV, they regard our observations as slander, libel, criminal cyber attacks and want legal justice. Sort of a double standard taking place here, wouldn't you say?

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I could tell you amazing story after amazing story about what I learned from those children, but I would love to share just one of them here, from a book I wrote and published in 1995, Make Way for Love, A Story to Open Your Heart, The Arthur Story.
[link provided on her website]

I invited Chuck out to Hawaii to do in-service training for the Center’s volunteers, partly because of his experience teaching at a holistic health Institute (where he taught “The Psychodynamics of Catastrophic Illness” and “Healing Relationships”), but primarily because of his level of understanding and application of A Course in Miracles. But you should know more about Chuck’s background before I go further.

This passage intrigues me. Watch Charles Lee Spezzano's enthusiastic endorsement and appeal to materialism in his YouTube Mo Money. As he markets the concept of manifesting for selfish gain at 2:50 he says--

"I once decided I was going to get moved to Hawaii without having to pay for it and that's exactly what happened. Somebody moved me to Hawaii a couple years later, paid for all the expenses."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOpoR3TmHSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOpoR3TmHSU)

So, who paid for Charles to move to Hawaii? Makes ya think, don't it?

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References and Footnotes

1. A Course in Miracles is a self-study curriculum which aims to assist its readers in achieving spiritual transformation. 

Fascinating. If Lenora had stayed in the belly of the beast and changed it from within I'd be more receptive to her protestations in general. But somewhere in this narrative she crossed over to the Dark Side of her Ego and, ironically, became the very sort of figure the Spezzanos warn their trusting followers not to become.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 09:14:39 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 4

Now we shift to the credentials of Charles Lee Spezzano.

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Chuck Spezzano, Professional Background

Chuck’s first vocational goal was to become a priest. Later, during his third year at collegiate seminary, he realized that he felt a calling to be helpful to more people than just Catholics, and that he would like to marry one day and have children. He graduated Cum Laude from Duquesne University (the best school in the US for Existential Phenomenology, which is where Humanistic Philosophy and Psychology come from) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in 1970, getting his Bachelor of Arts degree, with a double major in Philosophy and Psychology. He received his Master of Arts degree in Sociology from Duquesne as well, in 1971. He was hired as a counselor and Director of Outreach at the Brashear Association, there in Pittsburgh in 1972. Later in 1972, Chuck moved to San Diego, California, to begin his Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from the United States International University. Chuck chose USIU because they had the strongest Humanistic Psychology program he could find in the US at the time. (USIU and the California School of Professional Psychology joined in 2001 to form Alliant International University.) He graduated with his Ph.D. in 1977.

We need to enhance this description with the facts that USIU was not accredited by the APA in 1977 and Charles listed his degree on his thesis as one in "Professional Psychology," not "Counseling Psychology" as his official online biographies claim. So what is the deal there? This is a very serious discrepancy which alone would qualify him to be classified as a fraud for the purposes of this forum and also have him removed from the faculty of any academic institution.   

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Chuck was employed as a psychologist by the Naval Drug Rehabilitation Center at the Naval Air Station Miramar, in San Diego, from 1973-79, and he also became an instructor at the Naval Drug and Alcohol Counseling School, their program to train Navy therapists, from 1974-79. From 1979-82 Chuck was a seminar trainer for ARAS (Awareness-Respect-Affection-Support) Trainings, which were based on a spiritual and personal growth model. This is where he developed his love for being able to help many people at once, rather than helping them just one at a time.

Oh, I love this mention of ARAS because it gives me an opportunity to bring up the Bob Trask connection. Trask, the ARAS chief who came up with the triangle the Spezzanos "borrowed," had a sudden parting of the ways with Charles Lee Spezzano. You professional reporters would do well to find out why. The resulting story will be fun and Lenora's above statement will contain an unintentional ironic humor.

And let us mark this, Lenora called Charles a "psychologist" here. Later in this document she claims SALPOV has never claimed Charles was a psychologist. Hmmm. Someone is suffering from a "split mind."   

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Chuck developed a seminar system for those in rehab, as an adjunct to the group and individual therapy treatments, to accelerate the healing process. It was also where he began to formulate his “Steps to Oneness,” a roadmap of all the steps, stages and levels that individuals, couples, companies and countries go through on their way to Oneness. It was because of the ever-heavier caseload, and shorter time allotted by the governmental budget for rehab, that Chuck studied short-term therapy models, and developed many methods and techniques for transformation that easily accessed the subconscious and unconscious levels of the mind.  When I first encountered Chuck’s model I was utterly astounded – even though I had recently received a M.Sc. in counseling, and I thought I knew the state of the art. In terms of effectiveness, Chuck’s insights were well beyond any traditional therapy I had studied in graduate school.

So how did Lenora first encounter Spezzano's work? What was the networking here?

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From 1979-83 Chuck developed a private practice as a licensed Marriage, Family and Child Counselor in Orange County, California. In 1983 he moved to Hawaii and served as the interim minister for Windward Unity Church, in Kailua, Hawaii, for one year. In 1981 Chuck began teaching his first international personal growth seminars, and I joined him in that calling in 1984.

Charles Lee Spezzano's experience as the interim minister for Windward Unity Church is another era worth investigating. I don't know why he later connected so closely to Oneness University, but I am wondering if his Unity ministry was the initial spark that fed his enthusiasm for Bhagavan and Amma. Later the Spezzanos would betray them.

Note to SALPOV corporate partners or influences-- they will throw you under the bus with no qualms if your association impacts their profit margin.

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Chuck and I had begun working together in Hawaii in 1983 and were married in 1984. Together we have developed the Psychology of Vision model, a path of the heart that focuses on the healing of relationships, leadership (or helping others) and non-denominational spirituality. With this as our base, we have created many healing techniques and principles. http://www.psychologyofvision.com/about/principles-of-pov/ (http://www.psychologyofvision.com/about/principles-of-pov/) This is Chuck’s 42nd year as a counselor/coach, and by the end of 2014 he will have 38 books (a few with my participation) published in Germany, with one or more books published in 19 other countries. He has a dozen other books in the works.

Putting together both of our backgrounds, I think it may be clear to see how the Psychology of Vision was inspired, and how it is based on the power of forgiveness and love, because, as Chuck and I have seen in seminars countless times, forgiveness is the key to happiness. I will now begin to answer the many attacks on us that have resulted from the primary attacker’s efforts.

And I will continue the reality checks.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 






Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 09:34:26 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 5

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Is The Psychology of Vision A Cult?

Yes.

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As I understand it, a cult is a religious or spiritual group with rigid ideas and authoritarian practices. Members give their power over to the group’s leader, and, in the process, they surrender their identity. Members are encouraged to cut their ties with family and friends, and for these reasons they are seen as exploitative and dangerous.

Read the English language version of the SALOV Trainer's Manual before continuing. Even though SALPOV took it down from public view, I maintained a copy which is attached. After reading it, you will see everything Lenora claims here is not true. SALPOV is a steep hierarchy and a personality cult. It is all perfectly laid out in their own words.

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The Psychology of Vision is the opposite of a cult. It is an organization that is owned by the group of Trainers themselves (there are presently 48 of us). All organizational decisions are discussed until the Trainers reach a unanimous decision, either as a whole body (for major decisions) at our annual Conference, or by the Steering Committee, which deals with day-to-day issues. Chuck and I, as founders, do not get more of a voice than any other Trainer or Steering Committee member. A Trainer’s vote, at Level 1, is as important as a vote of a Trainer Level 4. This is because our organization operates from a horizontal relationship between Trainers, not a hierarchy with a cult figure at the top. Any difference in the levels of Trainers purely reflects the level of leadership through service that the Trainers have attained, not their value or their importance.

Seminar participants develop their own connection to grace and healing, and do not need to go through any PoV Trainer at any time to access it. Focus is always made on empowering the participants in their daily lives, not on developing dependency on PoV Trainers. Participants do heal by releasing the pain of old emotional injuries to realize the truth; but contrary to the attack allegations, there is no emotional “freaking out” in the seminars, and although there is a lot of laughter, none of it is “hysterical.”

Poor Jordan was subjected to the hypnosis otherwise called "Downloading/Joining" and got hysterical at a couple points and had to be calmed down--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxyxm1BHhY)

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No cult-like behavior exists in PoV, as far as I can see, nor is there any version of the typical “us versus them” mentality that would encourage seminar participants to cut ties with their family and friends. In fact, that is the opposite of what PoV is about. We focus on recovering failed relationships with our family members, forgiving our parents for our childhood injuries and being accountable for what takes place in our lives in relation to others.

The very existence of Lenora's "Truth" online document, equating honest criticism with criminal activity and rounding up the cult followers for loyalty oath "testimonials" reveals the opposite of what she is claiming about cult-like behavior. I would agree with Lenora that "No cult-like behavior exists in PoV." Instead, I would say rather than "cult-like" it is just a plain straight-ahead "cult."

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The Psychology of Vision governs itself in a professional manner, and any complaint about a Trainer’s behavior would be subject to a review process of accountability and consequences. If any of us, as PoV Trainers, unintentionally happened to hurt or damage a person in any way, there are clear processes in place to address a seminar participant’s feedback.

True professionals interested in transparency would open their complaints to the regulators of the public sector. The insular nature of their "discipline" only confirms the cult nature of SALPOV.

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Insofar as a “cult” may be accused of “swindling” their “followers” out of money – we had never been accused of any such thing. To my knowledge, neither PoV, nor Chuck and I personally, have ever received feedback that seminars are over-priced or are not worth what people paid for them. (A recent research of the price of popular seminars being taught in Germany found that Chuck’s and my PoV seminars are mid-range in price.) Also, seminar participants are never pressed to bring new members to seminars. This is a very important value for Chuck and me.

Read Section K of the German language SALPOV Trainers Manual--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673
 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673)

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36674#msg36674 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36674#msg36674)

Plus, who else charges over $1000 an hour for personal consultations like Charles Lee Spezzano does? 

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If people return to PoV seminars, and bring friends or family with them, it is not because we employ some kind of “mind control” over seminar participants, as “cults” might. People return because they value the healing they have received, and want to continue along that path. The process of healing emotional injuries, heartbreaks and defenses is only of interest to people who value it. People have to already be on their healing path to have any interest in the Psychology of Vision. It is not for everybody because not everyone wants to get in touch with their repressed pain so that it can be released and healed. For those who have not developed this value, they may feel threatened by those who have, which I feel is a primary reason for the kind of attack that accuses us of being a cult.

She is right about SALPOV is not for everybody. Most wage slaves cannot even begin to afford the high fees demanded by the Spezzanos. Only the affluent need apply. Apparently the wealthy class has no shortage of fools willing to part with their money. 

https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 


 

 

Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 09:54:05 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 6


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Is A Course in Miracles A Cult?

Psychology of Vision is compatible with A Course in Miracles, which is a self-study spiritual thought system. Its primary teaching is that the way to universal love and peace—or, in their terms, remembering God—is by undoing guilt through forgiving others. It is a set of 3 books. There is no leader, no group, and therefore, it is not a cult.

The teachings of A Course in Miracles have been supported by such commentators and authors as Robert Schuller, Oprah Winfrey and Eckhart Tolle.

"Robert Schuller, Oprah Winfrey and Eckhart Tolle," not exactly a lineup I would embrace as champions of critical thinking. As I understand it, Helen Schucman "scribed" ACIM with the help of an "inner voice" she identified as Jesus Christ. Isn't that so special?

For some time SALPOV websites counted ACIM along with Oneness University as their two greatest inspirations. 

I'll just say this in plain speaking-- in my opinion ACIM is just another crackpot theology. If the Spezzanos eventually throw this inspiration under the bus like they did with their worship of Oneness University, then all they will have left is their bare greed. Since ACIM is pretty much in the public domain they can pillage from it all they can. Much better than coming up with something original. Although horribly behind the curve, the Spezzanos do try to ride whatever New Age fad will turn a profit (e.g. the "quantum physics" or 2012 or Deeksha or Louise Hay silliness). I have yet to hear a single original thought originate from the mouth of either Spezzano that was not previously expressed by some other New Age trend setter.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 11:00:14 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 7

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Are the Spezzanos Targeting First Nations (Or Other Indigenous Peoples – Metis, Inuit or Native Americans) For Financial Gain?

Of course they are. All you have to do is read Section K of the German language SALPOV Trainers Manual--


http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36673#msg36673)

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36674#msg36674 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg36674#msg36674)

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This attack on us suggests that, not only have we billed exorbitantly high prices for our work with First Nations people, but that we have targeted the “Indian Residential School Settlement” (i.e., the Federal monetary compensation for residential school survivors) for personal gain. It goes so far as to suggest that entire grants, written to fund agencies for years at a time – such as the one that went to Haida Gwaii’s Ngystle Society’s programs for Residential School Survivors – went directly to Chuck and me. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The fact is, over the past twenty years, Chuck and I have donated one to two seminars yearly to First Nations communities in British Columbia, Canada, on numerous reserves – each at the invitation of a particular First Nation. This didn’t begin by our targeting First Nations people; we visited one community by invitation, and it just grew. More and more families invited us to their reserves and we responded. The result was always the same – First Nations people openly demonstrated their love and support for our work wherever we went.

We have never taken a penny in payment for these First Nations seminars, although in most, but not every case, we have received reimbursements for such out of pocket expenses as hotel and food, and a part of our airfare. Some agencies may have budgeted some funding to pay for some of the expenses of putting on PoV seminars – I don’t have information about that; for example, one place provided a free lunch to participants in the seminar, which I think may have come from their agency’s budget. But I can say that the source of funding for the production costs of First Nations seminars that Chuck and I have taught came primarily from asking non-First Nations seminar participants to donate the equivalent of a full priced seat (we allowed up to 25% of the seats to go to non-Natives, but no more than that, for this fundraising purpose). Since Chuck and I did not charge for our services, and the promoters always promoted us free of charge, the hard costs of the seminars were easily covered.

Sort of reminds one of Nixon's "Checkers Speech"--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqjwBDH-vhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqjwBDH-vhY)

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Chuck and I felt called to contribute what we could to Indigenous peoples because we feel that, in the next century, their voices will be crucial. We chose to support them on their healing path, because, as has become more and more historically evident, many First Nations, Metis, Inuit and Native Americans have publicly demonstrated their concern for the survival of all human beings on planet Earth. We recognize that they have been working toward the benefit of humanity throughout history, despite, and because of, living in many different forms of oppressive colonial conditions.  Chuck and I also have believed that human survival will ultimately depend on the ability of all peoples to return to the values and understandings related to our human connection with each other and the “natural world” on which we are all dependent.

".. return to the values and understandings related to our human connection with each other and the 'natural world' on which we are all dependent." And at what point in all of human history did that state ever exist? Even in prehistoric times humans were still at war with each other. Of course if you believe in the Christian concept of the Garden of Eden, as the Spezzanos clearly do since they equate the Ego with the Devil, then such a utopia once existed.

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So, we have wanted to do this work with, and in support of, Indigenous peoples, especially while this generation of elders is still alive. Over twenty years ago, Chuck and I determined that, “If we support First Nations in their healing now, they will be in a better position to support the world in the future.” Since that time, we have listened to their voices, as well as supported and witnessed the work they have been doing, which has been so vital to their own healing as Indigenous peoples; and more broadly speaking, we believe that their work, in terms of what it adds to the collective consciousness, is vital to the very future of this planet. [1]

How Jungian. And misleading.

If you watch the APTN broadcast, which Lenora refuses to recognize in her entire document, you will see several FN people, including elders, making critical comments about this cult.

Bill Wilson has recently stated:

"Approaching 70, with my privileged life nearly half over, I reflect on the condition of Indian Peoples:- I have seen the effects of the Whiteman's government, religion and foolish assumption of superiority. It is a sad and sorry litany of abuse.-My Mum often spoke lovingly of the time when the POTLATCH was our only form of government AND religion. She lived this ideal all her life, remaining a strong MUSGAMAGW even in the face of the destruction brought by the churches, DIA, welfare and industry. I am glad that she did not get to see the PHONY HEALERS & THEIR CULTS, the most recent group of maggots feeding on the decaying flesh of our Nations.- They are the NEW SMALLPOX sent to destroy Our Peoples."

Tell it like it is, Bill! Right on! "Maggots" is a good description of SALPOV.

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Another motivation for me, regarding these donations, was connected to the basic idea of tithing – an old spiritual value of giving ten percent of the good that comes to you back to those who have contributed to your own well being; it is an appreciation for blessings you have received. In my mind, our tithing back to the Indigenous peoples of the Americas is in gratitude for the continued ceremonies that many different Indigenous nations, groups and individuals continue to perform to balance out the negativity of our (global) collective consciousness, and the many blessings that their work brings to the table, for each and every one of us, whether we have known to ask for it or not.

Of the thousands of First Nations people that we have served in those pro bono seminars (a large percentage of whom were residential school survivors), Chuck and I have never received feedback that suggested we hurt anyone. To my knowledge, those seminars have always included a form for feedback when it was over; the worst feedback I can remember receiving was from one man who suggested I not use the word “chakra” in describing how the joining method works, because they didn’t have that concept in their Indigenous healing model. I learned from that feedback, and figured out a way to describe the process without using spiritual jargon.

In other words, change the terminology but not the psychocolonisation practice. Canadian trainer Babs Stevens still describes herself as a "Oneness Blessing Giver" on her LinkedIn and a "Oneness Blessing (Deeksha) Giver" on Twitter.

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Our main goal has been to develop First Nations PoV Trainers to carry on the work. Presently, we have two First Nations PoV Trainers. They “pay” for their licensing as Psychology of Vision Trainers by donating work to First Nations communities. So, in effect, the international Psychology of Vision Trainers’ Association also contributes to First Nations in B.C.

Why do any of the SALPOV cult graduates, regardless of geography or ethnicity, need to pay for a "license fee" on the first place? The above paragraph can serve as Exhibit # 2 in the British Columbia vs. Spezzano and Associates Ltd. affinity fraud case, after the German language SALPOV Trainers Manual Section K.

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The truth is, Chuck and I have never received any governmental funds from Canada or any other country. Rather, we have donated at least 30 three-day seminars to First Nations communities in British Columbia, Canada, over a period of 20 years, without ever receiving any financial payment for the considerable amount of work we did. We also donated seminars to the Navajo Nation in the Southwestern US, to Native Hawaiian people in Hawaii and Buddhist monks and nuns in Asia.

In addition to our First Nations Fund, the Psychology of Vision has also created three other funds, which students of the Psychology of Vision support internationally. In our India Fund http://www.freundschaft-mit-indien.de (http://www.freundschaft-mit-indien.de) we help the Bethsaida Orphanage in Kerala, India, where Chuck and I are the honorary parents of 975 orphans. The fund also helps support 2,600 children in 25 neighboring villages that were orphaned by the tsunami, as well as other community programs.

Our Africa Fund http://www.visionzambia.co.uk (http://www.visionzambia.co.uk) supports a community of approximately 35,000 in Linda Compound near Lusaka, Zambia, contributing to their Aids hospice, community school, infant nutrition program, infrastructure for clean drinking water and women’s self-help groups. The fund also contributes to our son’s charity for Wisdom School in Ghana, where he taught fifth grade.

I am sure the Spezzano/Ticehurst take on AIDS must be a great comfort to these children--

"AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome)

This disease means our body has lost its ability to fight off infection. Infection by the HIV virus has caused serious damage to our immune system.

Normally our immune systems produce antibodies to fight off foreign agents but, because we have a poorly functioning immune system, ‘opportunistic infections’ take advantage and infect the body.

The development of this syndrome is the result of immense self-attack and self-judgment. We have judgment on society, which we feel is judging or attacking us in return. We feel that we have no defenses against attack.

At some level, we experience an inability to receive or give help. We are caught in a trap of indulgence, martyrdom or rebellion, rather than leadership.

The martyrdom takes the form of not receiving help and at the same time criticizing parents, family and society’s ability to give.

Yet, we are ignoring our vocation, refusing to heed the call to giving, to leadership, purpose, vision and not allowing ourselves to have all the help and comfort we crave.

Suggested Exercises:
Purpose
Forgiveness"

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In our Bangladesh Fund http://www.cocoro-v.org/english/join_e4.html (http://www.cocoro-v.org/english/join_e4.html) we donate seminars to aid workers in Dhaka’s slums, as well as support various school, farming and women’s programs there, aiming at a hunger and poverty free Bangladesh by 2021.

Our First Nations fund http://povcanada.com/first-nations/ (http://povcanada.com/first-nations/) does fundraising to cover accommodation and travel expenses for Indigenous people in Canada who want to attend Psychology of Vision seminars. In addition to the pro bono seminars we have donated to First Nations communities, for many years all seats in seminars that Chuck and I taught anywhere in the world were free for First Nations participants. In 2009, the PoV Steering Committee made the decision to make the “First Nations Fund” PoV’s official means of “tithing back,” which included recommending to all PoV seminar promoters around the world that First Nations seminar seats be available at half price.

I can say without hesitancy that, rather than “strip” First Nations communities of funding and resources, the Psychology of Vision has done the very opposite of what we have been accused of. The PoV First Nations Fund has brought $1.5 million USD of resources to British Columbia to support First Nations in their healing over the past 20 years.
 

We would all love to see an example of the transparency your organisation so frequently touts in action and read an account of this money trail, please? Particularly in British Columbia.

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But more importantly, in First Nations communities where the Psychology of Vision has been taught, we have received the following feedback: as emotional healing takes place in the families, there are not as many crises taking place in the community, and as the level of crisis in the community reduces, members have the luxury of time to learn their Nations’ languages and ancient skills from the elders before they are lost.

I think the current residents of Haida Gwaii who are not SALPOV cult followers might have a different opinion. Inconvenient, isn't it? You didn't quite brainwash the whole place. Well, you did have Erick Gonzalez competing with you. I understand you Spezzanos had a chance to meet him. Quite a story there.

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I remember one First Nations woman, a strong leader in her community, telling me that she credited PoV for giving her time. Time to be with her family (rather than having to always be responding to community crises and tragedies), time to learn her language, and time to learn such skills as how to tan a deer hide for the doeskin dress her daughter would need at her traditional coming of age ceremony. Their Nation had nearly lost those arts, and nearly lost its language.

And yet others on Haida Gwaii consider SALPOV to be a "Manifesting" Destiny force. Introducing Oneness University inspired Deeksha and Oneness Blessings can hardly be counted as a positive influence on Haida Gwaii. A local leader, Babs Stevens, in my opinion which I am free to have as a human walking between the Earth and sky, is clearly being hypnotised and manipulated in Lenora's YouTube entitled Original Mind Download.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY 
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY)

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References and Footnotes

1. Just to be clear, when I refer to the “natural world” in which we all live, or to some Indigenous peoples’ "relationships to their traditional lands, waterways and resources - I'm not talking about “Indian” stereotypes, such as the "Indian as Nature or as natural"; nor am I saying, “All Native people are so spiritual.” What I am talking about are the many Indigenous peoples who have already led the way in this regard, and those who are continuing to lead the way - the most recent being, for example, the Idle No More movement, which began in Canada and quickly caught fire across the globe. That said, as much I don’t want to sound like a corny wannabe, I do believe that many Indigenous groups and individuals have a very valuable sense of relationship with the - brace yourself! - "Great Spirit" who occupies the planet as a body.

Wow. She utterly failed here. She is totally talking stereotype. "Some of my best friends are non-white." She comes across as the square undercover narc attempting to be hip while trying to bust someone for smoking frog venom.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 06, 2014, 11:37:49 pm
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 8

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Are Chuck And Lency And The Psychology of Vision Only about Money?

When people whose first vocational goals were to be a priest, and to work with severely disabled people and dying children, it is not because they are only about money. Being a Psychology of Vision Trainer is very challenging and draining work, the overhead is high and the rewards are not primarily financial.

If we were only about money, there are much easier ways to acquire it. PoV Trainers are motivated by the love in their hearts for humanity and their desire to relieve suffering.

She is right. The Spezzanos are indeed not just about making lots of money, they are also about acquiring a sadistic kind of power over people, as evidenced by Lenora's YouTubes. Notice how she first poses her question as if it was just pointed to her and Charles, and then extends it to the trainers as if they were extensions of herself.

The trainers are being used as sandbags here. Most of them are probably not making all that much money, especially with all the fee-based requirements the Spezzanos demand. But you can bet the two top CEOs of Spezzano and Associates are raking it in. 

The fact Charles charges over $1000 an hour for a personal consultation wrecks the integrity of Lenora's whining about her defense they are not obsessed with money.

I won't dispute the fact both Spezzanos entered the occupation of helping others with the best of intentions. But it didn't last long. Somewhere along the line they crossed over to the Dark Side of greed and power. They have indeed become the very dark astral forces they warn their followers about. Unfortunately, one of the requirements of being a SALPOV client is to check your brains at the door, along with any sense of dignity, class, or (shudder) independence. A few souls have managed to crawl out of the SALPOV crazy house and are among the people working to convince British Columbia authorities that a public system of exit counseling needs to be in place as a support for SALPOV survivors trying to reclaim their lives.

It looks like the Spezzanos left the field of public service three decades ago and became retail spiritual capitalists, selling their vaporware to wealthy gullible people who were not subject to USA consumer protection laws. If they had remained in the low-paying and altruistic field of public service then perhaps I could have an iota of respect for them. But instead they chose to put profit ahead of social responsibility, as indicated by the damage they have created without admitting any responsibility for the negative consequences of their actions as outlined in this forum.

If they had been cast in the Big Chill, a movie where Boomer plans were torn asunder, they would've played the parts of corporate sellouts.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 12:01:44 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 9

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What Is The Nature of The Relationship Between Psychology of Vision And Oneness University?

There is no relationship between the two organizations. Some of us attended healing programs there years ago, but for a number of reasons it felt true to me to distance Psychology of Vision from Oneness U. For about a year after making that decision, I stated in my seminars that I did not recommend that people attend their programs.

Of all the twisted misrepresentations spread on Lenora's online screed, this one is the most blatant. I won't waste my time repeating all the evidence we have already presented on this forum disproving this fantasy. The fact remains that Oneness University was a major influence on SALPOV teachings and is now too deeply embedded for the Spezzanos to remove. If they deny OU teachings then they must also deny much of their own curriculum and shut down their money-making operation.

SALPOV tried to remedy this by erasing all online connection with OU. My, how Soviet of them.

I'd love to hear in detail why Lenora does not approve of Oneness University. Both SALPOV and OU seem equally crazy to me. Perhaps her objections coincided with some negative press OU got for being a huge scam. So much for loyalty. Yet, OU philosophy is alive and well in SALPOV.

I'd like to take issue with her use of the word "seminar." This indicates equality among the participants, and as we have plainly seen in SALPOV promotional material and manuals, this is never the case. I am very familiar with the seminar method and have seen no evidence this is practiced in SALPOV. "Indoctrination" would be a more appropriate term. In a recent Facebook exchange, a loyal SALPOV follower attempted to approach and comfort Lenora as a fellow equal human being over the terrible and "nasty" treatment we critics are dishing out, and the Queen Bee let it be known she did not require the advice of underlings in no uncertain terms. This is consistent with the Great Chain of Being as outlined in the SALPOV Trainers Manual: God - Spezzanos - Trainers - Easy marks - Rabble - Troublemakers.

Notice the absence of detail in this post. No dates, no specific reasons. This is a pretty shifty-eyed and Nixonian answer. How did the Spezzanos first become enamored of OU? How much of OU philosophy worked its way into SALPOV theology and terminology? What caused Lenora to back away and exactly when did that happen? Why has this OU objection never appeared from an official online SALPOV source until this 2014 statement by Lenora? 

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 
   
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 12:17:41 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 10

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Is Chuck Spezzano A Psychologist?

No.

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If you read Chuck’s resume section on this website, you will know that he holds a Ph.D. in psychology. I have never heard him refer to himself as a psychologist, and we have never advertised him as one, because that would require a psychologist’s license. We don’t edit the promotional material that PoV promoters and Trainers around the world create, as it is primarily in foreign languages. If some have been calling Chuck a psychologist instead of saying that he holds a Ph.D. in psychology, I’m sure it has been brought to their attention now.

Well, you know how that darn Internet works. "Lies can be put on just one blog, and they get shared and re-shared by people looking for material for their own blogs, which then gets shared again and again and again, running up the number of “hits” of viewers. They all feed off of each other for new content to stay competitive."

Lenora actually calls Charles a "psychologist" earlier in this document. That ol' split mind must be acting up again.

Internet also tells us over and over again that Charles has a PhD in "Counseling Psychology," but his thesis is presented as part of the requirements for "Professional Psychology." What's the deal with that?

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Chuck was still licensed as a Marriage, Family and Child Counselor in California when we set up our office in Hawaii. (There is a slight difference in strategies between Psychologists and Marriage Family and Child Counselors – the latter being committed to short-term intervention.) Chuck’s MFCC license was for California, and Hawaii did not yet offer MFCC licenses. Chuck had already moved on from having a private counseling practice to working internationally as a seminar trainer. The primary benefit for a therapist to be licensed is so that local insurance companies will pay for a certain number of sessions for people who live in your state. To go through this process of “third party payment” generates a lot of paper work, which would require us to hire additional office staff. Since Chuck was not developing a local private practice, and he and I were seminar trainers – which was our calling – we could not see any benefit for him to become licensed as a psychologist in Hawaii.

Yes, plus this way the SALPOV trainers do not have to be held accountable by government regulators. Also, all that nasty bureaucratic overhead from being licensed would mean a smaller profit margin for the Spezzanos.

Given Charles Lee Spezzano's history, I highly doubt he could qualify to be a licensed psychologist in Hawaii without some continuing education other than his 2007 Oneness University experience. His 2004 fine for pretending to be a psychologist might also hurt his chances.

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Although we will do some private coaching with people around the world, we generally try to steer people to a PoV seminar, if possible, because that is the more cost effective approach for the client. As Trainers, we don’t have the time to accomplish individually what can more easily be accomplished in a group. Our primary interest is what is in the best interest of our clients. As such, sometimes the nature of the issue the person wants to heal seems to them to be too personal to talk about in a group; so for them, the private coaching session is an option.

Private coaching at $1000 an hour. Nice. But it is always more profitable to make stew than serve steak. These two are really a piece of work.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 
   


Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 12:56:41 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 11

Here is Lenora explaining why her "downloading/joining" sessions are not hypnosis. The YouTubes she references can be found at this link--


https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/LencySpezzano/videos)

If you are not familiar with the videos, I'd suggest watching a half dozen of them or so before reading on, otherwise this won't mean much. I realize they are hard to watch for most normal people. What can I say? I have watched them all and am still walking on two feet. Viewing these is sort of like attending a Luis Buñuel film festival.

Frankly, I find these videos to be disturbing, sadistic and very bizarre. She has failed to convince me this is not some form of hypnosis. And as a free person I am entitled to this opinion and can express it. Using SALPOV logic, any attempt by Lenora to stop people from expressing this view, as she has tried, reveals an insecurity and sense of guilt that we critics are on to something.

But I'll tell you what, here's fair play. You have watched the YouTubes, now read Lenora's defense of them. I won't interrupt her with my usual intrusions. Get out your malarkey meter and decide for yourself what is real here. 

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Is Lency Spezzano Merely A Stage Hypnotist?


I have had some YouTube videos up that we filmed at our PoV Trainers’ Conference a couple of years ago. In those videos I was teaching the Trainers how to do an advanced form of joining called “receiving a download.” The bloggers who have been attacking us seem to think that, because I ask the Trainers in the videos to look in my right eye to do the process, that that is proof that I am a stage hypnotist.

First, it’s important to know that what we are doing in this process is “joining” – which is the simplest, yet most powerful healing method that I know of. All that is required is to relate to another person (or group of people) in a horizontal manner – recognizing that, although all human beings are unique, at a deeper level we are the same, and we are all connected.

So, to return to the videos, which focus on one form of joining, the reason I ask for that assistance is because I, like most people, am “right eyed” in the same way that I, like most people, am right handed. So, if the person looks into my left eye, which is not my dominant eye, we aren’t really looking straight at each other. With both of the other person’s eyes looking into my right eye, I can look back into their left eye, the “window of the soul,” to see their pain; this is physically evident in the pupil of the eye, which takes a different aperture according to what the person is feeling.

As the pain surfaces, it opens up the issue to be healed, washing out the pain and suffering, until only the joy of the experience of Oneness with God remains. It is a universal experience. With a little practice, as each person is relating to the other, it’s possible to read his or her painful life process like a book, recognizing we are the same and we are all connected.

Life’s pain and suffering just waits until the conscious mind is willing to register and acknowledge its existence. Once it has, the pain not only releases, it becomes the basis for strength, maturity and wisdom. Suffering is just the raw material for our growth; for most people, they have already done the hardest part of their lives – all that is left is to process the raw material so that it can be “smelted” with awareness, and the end product is gold. People who have not only survived a crisis, but have integrated the process emotionally, generally do not wish that the crisis had never occurred. This is because they are glad to be the human being that transformed through the process. Joining reaps the benefits of our tough life experiences.

Although looking into each other’s eyes while joining is helpful, it can just as easily happen if a person is too shy to look in another’s eyes, or if connecting over the telephone between distant countries; this is because joining is about heart connection. It happens just as easily one-to-one as it does in a group of hundreds of people who are looking at each other, rather than just at the person who is leading the group. We are all connected.

Joining, as a universal experience, happens regardless of whether you call that Source of Love “God,” “Creator,” “Allah” or “Higher Self” – or even if you don’t believe in a Supreme Being at all. It takes place at a level of the mind that is deeper than culture or religion; it’s the place where we can experience the Love that is continually pouring into us, whether we are noticing it or not. So, joining starts out with the experience of emotional intimacy with another person, as we see in the video I refer to above, and ends in the experience of emotional intimacy with God.

I learned about real intimacy from the kids with life threatening illnesses. As a child nears death, people they know tend to distance themselves, in an attempt to protect themselves from the pain of loss. I decided to see what would happen if I moved closer to those children instead. When I did, I discovered that, if you are willing to be one with another person, it is easy to feel the emotion they are feeling. I also discovered, if you feel it with them, the emotion just automatically releases. What I came to know was that our emotional injuries heal automatically if we are willing to acknowledge and feel them.

PoV Trainers, such as the ones seen on the “receiving a download” videos , are willing to experience being one with the pain of others, because they are also, at the same time, tapping into grace, the Love of God. The combination of feeling the group’s pain, while also feeling the grace from above, creates a tremendous experience of tenderness in our hearts as we lead the joining sessions. That grace also heals us and helps us to evolve at the same time. The thing that makes Psychology of Vision trainings so powerful is that the Trainers are always doing their own healing alongside their seminar participants.

In this story, from Make Way for Love [link provided on original website] The Tokyo Couple, I describe what the experience of joining feels like as a major issue is healed. The Japanese couple in the story healed the grief of losing their only child to death in just a few minutes, while sitting in a public place, without anyone around us even noticing as we moved our minds through deep despair to transcendent bliss. Well, people probably noticed us hugging and laughing at the end, but my point is, the process does not have to be dramatic.

If you can define yourself as including the other, if you are willing to be that other person, just as they are, you have access to their heart, and they have access to yours. When PoV Trainers work with a group of people, they define themselves as the group – kind of an “all my relations” understanding – while also feeling their connection to God/Creator; this allows the whole room to remember God’s love via the Trainer’s mind. This experience usually rocks a room, and it is not unusual for everyone in the seminar to be healing and crying at the same time in the beginning of the joining session, and for everyone to be laughing together at the end. It’s a real blast, but it’s not for everybody; the experience is treasured by people on the healing path, but not interesting to people who are not motivated to confront their pain.

The bloggers thought it was scandalous that I, a white person, would say that I could “join” with First Nations people. All I can say is that I have spent hundreds of hours crying with First Nations people, feeling their pain along with them and celebrating with them when they were free of it. I am grateful because I have grown a lot through that process as well, gaining maturity and developing my capacity for love. I have tremendous respect for First Nations, for what it has taken for them to survive individually and as peoples.

Below is a link that shows me working with a PoV Master Trainer from England. You will see the intimacy that allows us to be one, which invites the love into our joined minds. She and I are feeling the same emotion at the same time, going through the same healing, and ending up with the same gift, which we share with the others in the room. Every mind in the room went through the same transformation, and experienced the same miracle of love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAayC9WI6bk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAayC9WI6bk)

Joining is simple, safe and efficient and it does not require a Trainer or a seminar to experience its benefits. Psychology of Vision practitioners use it with their loved ones at home when a conflict arises, and they use it to pour love into their children when they tuck them into bed at night. Joining is true, natural relationship. It is love.

This love comes from the Source of love, and is effective regardless of the cultural background or religion of the participant. The Psychology of Vision has a non-denominational spiritual framework that leverages its students on their own spiritual path. For example, Muslim students of the Psychology of Vision in Bangladesh appreciate an enhanced direct experience of Allah’s love in their prayer time. Sikhs in Canada use Psychology of Vision to bring more intimacy to their relationship with the Dharma. Buddhist monks and nuns in Taiwan use it when supporting those who come to them for help.

Somehow the expression "Digging your own grave" comes to mind. It used to be said that "Religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel." This needs to be updated in Century 21 as "New Age Spirituality is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open. 
   
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 01:11:01 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 12

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Does Chuck Claim To Have Cured Aids and Cancer?

Here is my answer to this question--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37400#msg37400 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37400#msg37400)

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Chuck has never claimed that he can cure any illness, and would never discourage anyone from seeking medical treatment. It is common, however, for people who have illnesses to want to supplement their treatment with holistic, body/mind approaches as well. Many people who have sought out Chuck to work on their health issues have had remissions from their illnesses. Chuck always acknowledges that it is the client who is responsible for creating the positive changes and healing. This is always the case, whether just the medical model is used or if a holistic one is used.

In the Psychology of Vision, health issues can give us clues about what is going on in our subconscious minds. It is sort of like a psychiatrist doing dream analysis – physical symptoms can also be read as symbols for the conflicts in our minds. Healing the emotional conflict certainly doesn’t hurt a person’s chances of healing physically, and there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it is helpful, but we have not done any research studies on the subject, and we do not make any claims.

In the above paragraph Lenora has basically renounced and discredited all the work by Charles Lee Spezzano and Janie Ticehurt and their Healing Metaphors/Healing Keys. This had the SALPOV stamp of approval but looks like it has been thrown under the bus. It it ever gets revived, remember Lenora has gone on record as saying "we have not done any research studies on the subject, and we do not make any claims."
 
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The bloggers claim that us looking at the metaphors of illness with people (similar to Louise Hay’s work) is actually us blaming them for having their symptoms. This, of course, would have no value for the client – blaming a person for their illness is completely counterproductive to their healing and wellbeing. Taking accountability, on the other hand, gives the client power in their life.

The Louise Hay influence, and the connection with ethnocide and genocide, was addressed in the following post--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37289#msg37289
 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37289#msg37289)

It should go without saying that guilt is the primary lure the Spezzanos use as their bait on the hook to land the souls of their wealthy victims.

One former trainer told one of our comrades that he regarded the guilt-inducing Healing Metaphors as the weakest and most vulnerable aspect of SALPOV theology. He also thought the religious overtones were too stifling.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 01:38:29 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 13

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What Happened in 2004 with The State of Hawaii Regarding Chuck’s Status As A Psychologist?

Nothing at all. We were marginally involved with a custody battle many years before, in that we wrote letters of support for a woman in relation to the child custody case with her ex-husband. The ex-husband’s lawyer claimed that, because our Psychology of Vision logo was on our stationary, that the logo meant we were both claiming to be licensed psychologists; so the judge ruled our letters were inadmissible, even though Chuck signed his letter “Chuck Spezzano, Ph.D., M.F.C.C.” and I signed “Lency Spezzano, M.Sc.” As it turned out, our letters did not figure into the final outcome, because the judge ruled in favor of the wife anyway.

This unfortunate episode is apparently much more involved than the brief and uncaring brushoff given here by Lenora Kay Spezzano--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37415#msg37415 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37415#msg37415)

Hey, a guy died here by his own hand way too young. And he accused the Spezzanos of lying. I think Steve Tipaldi deserves a bit more consideration than the nonchalant disregard exhibited here by Lenora.

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 02:00:19 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 14


"Let them eat cake!" she proclaims with her nose in air and a delicate wave of her hand, dismissing the "trivial"--

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Sillier Stuff

In addition to these untruths, there are a number of accusations that do not warrant more than a brief answer. The blogs continually churn up nonsensical accusations, and I suppose addressing them would be a continuous process. Let me just address some of the initial suggestions, as I understand the whole strategy has morphed into hooking Native Hawaiians into the movement against us, and I may have to start the response anew.

Oh God, now we have to deal with the Native Hawaiians who we swiped stuff from! When will this Hell ever end?

The Spezzanos have inappropriately appropriated native Hawaiian culture into their theology, as outlined earlier on this forum. Lenora can blame us for pointing this out, but this is part of our role as public educators. I am glad to see we made an impact here.

 
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Does the Psychology of Vision Promote Cultural Ethnocide in First Nations Communities?  No.

Yes.

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Are PoV 100 Day Graduates Sent Out into The Field as Trainers?   No.

Are There California Superior Court Charges Against Chuck Spezzano?  No.

Is the Psychology of Vision Guilty of Affinity Fraud, Pyramids or Ponsie Schemes?  No.

The German language SALPOV Trainers Manual, Section K, can serve as Exhibit #1 in an affinity fraud case, I would wager.

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Does Chuck Recommend Practicing An Altered State of Consciousness While Driving A Vehicle, And Do PoV Seminar Participants Have A Higher Number of Vehicular Accidents?  No and no.

Actually, I'd like to see statistical research for this, using Haida Gwaii as a case study. I would encourage the RCMP to look into this.

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Are Chuck And Lency Connected with The Inner Healing Movement?  No.

Two responses, one from Piff, another from myself--

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37383#msg37383 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37383#msg37383)

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37389#msg37389 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4179.msg37389#msg37389)

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Is Chuck The Equivalent of The Psychopath Charles Manson?  No.

Do Psychology of Vision Trainers Have to Meet Annual Requirements for The Number of Trainings They Teach?  No.

She's dancing around on this one. The English language SALPOV Trainers Manual is filled with a long list of annual requirements for trainers, including a very steep "license fee" and compulsory attendance at monthly and annual ritualistic indoctrination sessions.

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Do Chuck and Lency Spezzano Invoke the Name of Jesus in Their Joining Sessions, or Claim to Channel Jesus Energy?  No.

They don't have to. Remember, A Course in Miracles was scribed by Jesus himself.

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Do Lency and Chuck Spezzano Use Hypnosis on Residential School Survivors Who May Eventually Be Involved in Court Action?  No.

What an interesting thing to bring up. I wonder why she did? And what is with capitalising all the key words throughout this chapter?

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open.



Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: Sandy S on July 07, 2014, 02:05:53 am
The Truth about Chuck And Lency Spezzano And The Psychology of Vision, Pt. 15

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In Conclusion


It is my hope that I have answered the many allegations against Chuck and me in a way that makes it clear, to those who are searching for the truth, that the lies presented against us do not register concern, but constitute completely fabricated stories meant to do harm, rather than to protect. To my knowledge, we have never had a complaint from a First Nations person about their experience in a seminar. Quite the opposite – as I expressed earlier – we have been highly honored and appreciated by First Nations and other Indigenous peoples, agencies and individuals for our pro-bono work through the years. And the opportunity for us to be helpful in this way has been an honor.

Our primary focus has been to help people heal their heartbreaks and all forms of suffering, and raise the level of collective consciousness on the planet. I thank you for reading my response to its conclusion. If you would like to learn even more about Psychology of Vision and its Trainers, please visit us at psychologyofvision.com (http://psychologyofvision.com).

With love,
Lency Spezzano, for the Psychology of Vision Trainers’ Association

The question among the SALPOV watchers on whether Lenora lives in a world of delusion or is indeed a true con artist remains open.
Title: Re: Chuck Spezzano & Psychology Of Vision
Post by: moreinfo on July 08, 2014, 12:31:00 am
after reading all the research , opinions , evaluations and summations about this group, the one thing that stands out is these spezzano's are masters of denial.if there is something negative about them they deflect and blame someone else,
 they say no one has ever complained or reported problems from PoV involvement, yey there are many reports on this nafps site,and other people brought forward concerns and problems about PoV involvement,and as usual did nothing, this is only one reason these PoV people are dangerous.
 and they prove themselves to be incredibly bad liars. here is on big important example of lency and chuck lying to deflect ,blame others or they themselve just aren't getting it as they say about others incluc=ding people having problems,
here are some other links other than the german trainers manual describing targeting first nations.
here is Melissa Meyer letter that describes how they're (PoV) going to cure first nations so they can go back to their outlying villages and teach PoV so every one will get along..to me this is an outright admission to target first nations

http://www.fnsds.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/Breaking%20the%20Silence%20and%20Healing%20the%20RS%20Legacy.pdf

here is a grant to an outpost group for PoV called the ngystle society, the money is meant to heal residential school survivors with PoV.. we can ask the value for dollar for this rss healing, how many rss got real trained help,or how many were actually recruited, if there were very few rss that signed up, where did the rest of the money go and who spent it. this shows one amount of the dollar value involved with first nations and PoV

http://www.ahf.ca/funded-projects/british-columbia/ngystle-society

here is the PoV outpost group showing advertising for chuck spezzano and PoV ,this ngystle society is on the Haida indian reserve and shows how PoV has a foothold on and over a first nations culture

 Lency Spezzano says NO we are not like charles manson, but i can't help but think is lency becoming charles manson like?? what is the next step with imbedded commands in her victims.?? these people do need to be watched and possibly charged with an affinity fraud charge for misappropriated funding like targeting of residential school survivors.
   Lency's posting all this nonsense on the internet that probably doesn't make sense to anyone with a critical mind..maybe if she knew what she was talking about she would not post her nonsense that her devotees have to eat up and act like she is saying something profound and a wonderful way to live, this is unrealistic to her devotees to follow but follow they have to if they want to advance in their controversial group
  Lency appears to be loosing her mind and this is what she's passing on to her "advanced trainers" and her 100 plus days of actual workshop grads who signed up to eat the PoV shit.
 how are her devotees going to be able to handle what amounts to nothing but fantasy, oh yeah , i forgot that Lency is one of the ones that says It's all an illusion, maybe that will be their statement if they ever get to court,... it's not true, it's all an illusion. this might make more than one devotee nuts and insane in their heads
 what's really  proving to be an illusion about PoV is people being led to believe that they are licensed psychologists with their fancy advertising and people are being led to believe they're getting healed .as shown in this video that a real medical doctor said it's obvious babs stevens is getting BRAINWASHED. the doctor said part of their training was to recognize brainwashing. is this what anyone wants to happen to them , where they end up in psychology of vision like this willing victim.? what is the ultimate goal of these spezzanos ? turn everyone into people like this haida woman?? and the spezzanos call this brainwashing performance  cutting edge healing? from what i see , i can freely say it looks to me like babs stevens is getting her mind flushed out and replaced with the imbedded command  - "there's only one of us here" probably so she can think she doesn't have to be accountable to anyone in her job position, she is made to r=think she can do whatever she wants, i bet she was targeted for this because of her job position, i fail to see how any of the spezzano "teachings" can be called healing. can the spezzanos' prove this is healing by providing a written evaluation of themselves by a credible educated licensed institution,
if you haven;t seen this or any of lency spezzanos' videos, be forewarned it is very disturbing to watch another human being put through whatever lency spezzano calls it .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds1BgICdBY

   the real truth about Chuck and Lency Spezzanos' Psychology of Vision is NO ONE SEEMS TO GET HEALED, they have to keep returning and it costs a lot of money to be one of their victims, think about it... stay away from these people.., their advanced trainers and 100 plus day grads are programmed to recruit you, that's obvio  if you read the research about PoV. anyone indoctrinated into PoV is programmed to recruit by helping put on workshops and pushing the PoV dogma onto the public to bring up the numbers, it's all written in their trainers manual, following PoV is an unrealistic way to live a life,especially if you have a familty you will always leave to attend the needed workshops, all the money spent on PoV would be better and more wisely spent on your real blood family. not the super dysfunctional family the spezzanos created and want you to join

this comment from lency caught my attention...

Is Chuck The Equivalent of The Psychopath Charles Manson?  No.

did anyone have an idea charles mansons group was going to end up doing what they did.?? this is only one example of death and murder from cult involvement, and is an excelent example of why cults are no good, if lency says charles spezzano is not like charles manson, what is to stop charles spezzano and his group from becoming charles manson like ??
all cults need to be watched ,observed and exposed because who k