Author Topic: William Burchett AKA William Jervis AKA Turtle Fire Walker AKA Medicine Turtle  (Read 180775 times)

frederica

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Re: oyisofirewalker@yahoo.com
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2007, 04:16:54 pm »
Hope "Yonabear" is not the Jerry Edwards of the Chickamauga Cherokee of Kentucky. He popped up about that time and has since disappeared again. At least off the internet.  frederica

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Re: oyisofirewalker@yahoo.com
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2007, 08:31:30 am »
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Re: oyisofirewalker@yahoo.com
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2008, 01:41:01 pm »
IT  REAL  SAD  THAT 
oyisofirewalker@yahoo.com

is  getting this  bad  rap

firewalker  aware  of  all the bad things  being sad about him,

and the folks  at   NAFPS FORUM   SHOULD  be  ashame  to allow this form  about this guy go on

firewalker   has  done so much  for the american indians  and,   he keeps getting   all this false rummor

materal   listed on this  web site,

this  is  2008    the  american indian  has changed

LOOK   AT    MOST REPECTED  NATIVE AMERICIAN NAME OF ALL TIME  LAMEDEER

well  there       www.lamedeer.org
IN  EUROPE THAT  DOES   sweatlodge cermony  all  across europe

these  our  real  life  LAKOTA INDIANS WHO DO  sweatlodge in europe   

american indians  travel  to  europe   al  year long  and they do   sacred sweatlodge
right  in europe   
does  this  make   a  real  american indian fake  because they  do   a sacred cermony in europe

i  would  say not,     these  american indians  our  native american indians no matter where they
travel,

people should really get there facts  stright  before  they  just keep running down folks name
without  a  cause,

cause and effect   when  you harm  one american indian name   you harm  another american indians
name.

LET   VIEW IT THIS WAY   

ONE 7 RIGHTS OF THE LAKOTA IS
MAKEING OF  RELATIONS

NOW LETS SAY  THAT  FIREWALKER   ,WAS  MADE A  RELATION , LETS JUST SAY THIS,

TO SHOW  A  POINT,

IF  FIREWALKER  UNWENT  A  MAKEING  OF  RELATION  SACRED CERMONIE
AND WAS  MADE  A  RELATION  THAT WOULD INDEED   MAKE HIM   FALL
UNDER  SACRED LAKOTA TRIBAL LAW

AND TO   GO  AGAINST THAT WOULD DISRECT  THE LAKOTA SACRED WAYS

WHAT  I SEE here  is people talking  without  any  facts

and   who  next    to be  LABLE  A FAKE OR FRAUD

will the   the  lame deers  be  lable  a  fraud  at    www.lamedeer.org

just  because the  practice  sacred ways in  europe,

take  a look  around  you,   even   on  the   rez     
whites   our doing  sweatlodge

what  about  michael  hull   who  does    who white  and does  the  sundance

for the lakota,  his  he  a fake to   when he approved to do   sundance by elders

personally     question  yourself    before   you post

and ask  yourself

this  question       

why  try   hurt    someone you dont know?

ALOT  THINGS HAVE CHANGED

ALOT  NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS  LIVE IN EUROPE
ALOT NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS WORK IN EUROPE
ALOT NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS DO SWEATLODGE IN EUROPE

BUT THAT DONT MAKE THEM FAKE OR A FRAUD

the native american indians visit europe  because in the good old usa
nobody  helps them,
and  when  native american indians visit europe there welcome
with open arms,  and welcome to  people homes
the  native  american indians who visit  europe have familys to feed on the rez
they  have  needs that  need  meet,   they dont get  a fare chance in the usa
so   they  go europe  to  get that chance,





Offline Barnaby_McEwan

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2008, 01:56:20 pm »
Out you go, through the door marked 'Idiots'.

Everyone, that was William Jervis - the subject of this thread - pretending to be someone else.

Another email address to add to his growing list:

redcloudtour@yahoo.com

frederica

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2008, 02:09:34 pm »
well, lets see he is from Kentucky, talks of the Sacred Mountain there that no one knows anything about. Advertizes on Manatanka, and everywere else that will let him. Send in other people to speak for him. States he is Cherokee, sells traditions he shouldn't be selling. Not sure why he now has Lakota ties. That's a new one.

Offline Tsisqua

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2008, 02:58:35 pm »
Sounds like a real nut job to me....just my humble opinion  ::)
There are no leaders in Unity

Offline earthw7

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2008, 03:57:49 pm »
I read all the post and know this guy post on here so he can read this.
Second there is a protection order by Avrol looking Horse and he need
to read that. Plus he has no right to use the Red Cloud name.

The adoption ceremonies of my people the Lakota/Dakota/Nakota are
called Hunka ceremonies.
I would like to explain a little about them.
What they are and what they are NOT.

The adoption ceremonies are a ceremonies to adopt an individual into a family.
When you lose a family member you have the right to adopt a member.
When you are close to a person for a long time you have the right to adopt
them as a member of your family.
This relationship is sarced.

The right as a Hunka relatived are to care for your new family as they care for you.


Now for what they are NOT.
There has never been a person who has been adopted into the Lakota or Dakota or Nakota
Nation. This has not happen in the past nor today.

The Lakota/Dakota/Nakota Nations are in North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Nebraska,
Minnesota, three Canadain States. in order for a person to be adopted into the nation
it would have to be OKed by all of the nations and bands. I can tell it has never happened.

What right the adoptees Do Not have:
They have No Rights to ceremonies,
They have NO Rights to our stories
They have NO Rights to medicine,
They have No Rights to inherit medicine men names,
They have No Right to names,
They have NO Right to speak for our nations
They have No Right to speak for our governments,
They Have No Rights to speak for the adopted families,

If a person claims to be adopted by the Lakota or Dakota or Nakota
If a person claim to be taught medicine by a Lakota or Dakota or Nakota

Beware
In Spirit

Offline Tsisqua

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2008, 04:10:25 pm »
There is a woman on Tribal America who too claims to have been adopted by the Lakota...and claims to be a Lakota Pipe Carrier and conducts ceremonies etc.....yet she is white and Armanien....this woman is called KeepsTheFire aka Kimberly Ann...we have a thread in the NAU Forum:

http://nativeamericanunityforum.theiforum.com/kimberly-ann-t143.html
There are no leaders in Unity

Offline earthw7

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2008, 09:19:29 pm »
I know they are everywhere with false claims to our way.
I wish we could round them up and put them all
in a room
In Spirit

Offline MikePutfus

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2008, 05:22:35 am »
I know little of the rules and laws of the Northern Nations. For Our Nation and Tribe there are different types of adoptions. The only full membership applies to children. Once adopted by AZ State Laws, and Tribal Laws the child is no different than one born to us. Nor should that child be treated any different than any other child.

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:16 am »
Hi all, I haven't been able to log on for quite a while. I don't know if it's my computer or what. Any hoo, last year I received a PM from someone called Medicine Man about William Jervis, I thought this might be kind of interesting.

medicine man
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« Sent to: Diana on: May 22, 2007, 10:50:53 am »
« You have forwarded or responded to this message. »      

WHAT YOUR INTEREST IN  FIREWALKER?

THIS  GUY  IS JUST   GIVES HIS ALL TO THE

NATIVE PEOPLE

brandiwish@yahoo.com

Here is my reply:

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« Sent to: on: May 22, 2007, 01:17:28 pm »      

To whom ever sent me this message, to be perfectly frank, my nephew saw a message on 500 Nations.com inviting Indians to Luxembourg. I believe it was someone calling themselves oyisofirewalker. I cautioned him and told him I would check into it. I did, and as you can see this person oyisofirewalker, in my opinion, is some kind of crackpot. He is not an "INDIAN" as he proclaims, he is not in Luxembourg and I also found that he has been convicted of fraud for running a phony charity scam in Tennessee, which I have choose not to post on this forum. That is my interest in this guy, period.






 

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2008, 09:17:27 am »
That's another address he uses:

http://www.witchvox.com/vn/vn_detail/dt_sk.html?a=lxxx&id=9885

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Offered by: medicinefire
Located in: luxembourg, Luxembourg
Skill/Service Details: if anyone wants to learn alternative healing
in luxembourg please send me a email
brandiwish@yahoo.com

And at http://www.topix.com/forum/world/luxembourg/TOK040DRECR7DN3UH

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FOR THE POOR AND HELPLESS IN LUXEMBOURG
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Physical Description
Ethnicity?   Caucasian

And get this feeble attempt at scamming lonely guys:

http://www.topix.com/member/profile/luxembourggirl

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Hometown:
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Yep, I'd say he looks Caucasian in that photo. Please do post what you know about anything Jervis has done.

« Last Edit: March 13, 2008, 09:27:32 am by Barnaby_McEwan »

Offline Ingeborg

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2008, 01:08:25 pm »
Jervis has been spamming German language forums with his fake ndn club in Luxemburg, and also offering sweats. He comes along every other month or so, and spams several threads with his junk. I posted a warning there that Jervis is a fake and doesn't know his behind from a hole in the ground.

I found another entry today in an Austrian esoteric forum:

http://www.esoterikforum.at/forum/archive/index.php/t-33516.html

"Author: Kangiska
date: 22/02/06

Since a week I am in contact with Firewalker who, here in Luxemburg, is not only trying to teach Indian culture [sic!] to people, but also the spirituality. Of course he is careful, because he is aware that not every European could really cope with it.

I have always taken an interest in Indian culture, but I also was aware that what is in the books is just a tiny part of what this culture really hides and also got written by persons who had a look at it, but hardly grew up in these circles.

Therefore, personally I am very glad to be able to speak to someone who knows what he is talking about.

If he agrees, I will gladly pass on part of his teachings, but he already made clear that part of it is only passed on from mouth to ear and I will therefore not write it down here, out of respect for him and his culture.
regards
Kangiska"

Well, the 'teachings' must have been done with, since this was 'Kangiska's' only entry in this thread. The lady has her own website which does not mention Jervis at all, and she is active in numerous forums on witchcraft, magic, paganism, esoterics etc.


As to Jervis' using the address of 'redcloudtour' - apparently Jervis was involved with the Red Cloud tour in 2006 when he organized an event in Luxemburg for him. It is rather unfortunate that Jervis' name gets mentioned with most honourable persons in this respect, although many reports about the 2006 tour have been taken off-line meanwhile. Jervis announced another event for the 2007 tour which apparently never materialized... I suppose people soon found out Jervis is a sad sack and wouldn't let him organize any follow-up. So Jervis still tries to use Red Cloud's name for his own promotion.

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2008, 03:20:35 pm »
I know little of the rules and laws of the Northern Nations. For Our Nation and Tribe there are different types of adoptions. The only full membership applies to children. Once adopted by AZ State Laws, and Tribal Laws the child is no different than one born to us. Nor should that child be treated any different than any other child.

That is my point these ceremonies only give them the right to the family who adopted
he should be caring for the family who adopted him and act like a relatived.
In Spirit

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Re: William Jervis
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2008, 04:16:02 pm »
Jervis also doesn't help his case by bringing up clearcut frauds like Michael Hull or the lamedeer.org site. Hull is one of Mary Grimes/Mary Thunder's people, and the lamedeer site opnely sells sweats for 666 Euros.