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Offline igmuska

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2006, 08:56:27 am »
she doesn't like her for some odd reason...everyone else knows this!!!
The other thing is I think I may have a chance to digitize the whole meeting since it was video taped (VHS) and I would like to post it at Google Videos.
As for the irony at the DLn webpage, Mr Looking Horse said somethings there that he is right now doing, something about wanting to stop the exploitation of Lakota ceremonies. Hmmm read more into the DLN site, there is a whole section about exploitation there.

Offline Freija

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2006, 10:12:52 am »
I am pretty clueless about what is going on so I am just asking this out of curiosity:

In what way did/does Wolakota exploit ceremonies? Is this about the WPPD or something else? Or have they charged people to attend ceremonies ?  :o

Were Paula and Arvol invited to this meeting on Rosebud and didn´t go? What was the reason they didn´t show up?

As a chairwoman of a charity foundation I know that all charity organisations at one time or another get accused of embezzlement. Even though I´ve put in a lot of money myself in the organisation and never withdrawn anything apart from gasmoney, I have personally been accused too. It´s even up on the Internet. I always tell the accusers to phone our accountant, phone/mail the people receiving the benefits and check our books.  It is so easy to check, but they never do. But they are good at accusing.

I am not saying anything about Wolakota as I don´t have a clue what they are doing, but just saying, since many accusations are about embezzlement, they should be pretty easy to check. If something is wrong, the people in charge will be held accountable, I´m sure.

Offline Moma_porcupine

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2006, 04:42:01 pm »
One thing I am confused about is when people say Paula Horn is Arvol's partner do they mean Paula is Arvols wife , or is she his partner in some other way ?

I know absolutely nothing about this situation , but I do feel a lot of sympathy for Arvol and how much strength it must take to keep doing the right thing when he is under so much pressure from so many different intrest groups . Over and over I see situations where there is different opinions on how traditional values should be practiced in modren situations for which there is no traditional precedents . Knowing the right way , all the time , and reaching consensus in the Lakota community on what this is ,  must be incredibly difficult . 

I did find this in one of the articles listed below the article already mentioned , and maybe this provides a small clue ;

http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_issues/2006febarvol.htm

( I think this is quoting from Arvol Looking Horse )
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I already stated why I leave my home at different times; to work so I can pay bills and eat. My work involves speaking of the concerns of the environment upon Unc i Maka. I attend funerals, meetings, Sacred Horse Rides, youth Runs and gatherings. All endeavors on behalf of the Lakota, Dakota, Nakota Oyate and Unc i Maka. The Bundle is a spirit and travels with me. Many of the People who bring me to these gatherings know this as being true. This is what I see is the problem in Eagle Hunter and the 5 people who stood with him at his meeting, they do not understand the Bundle s strength of being a spirit, that travels anywhere in the world, where even just tobacco is laid down, we can still connect to the help of the Tunka Oyate (spirits, grandfathers) through the Bundle, to seek help in our health and concerns. Even I laid my life down, along with those that believed in the C anupa and we traveled to Iraq during the time of war in 1990 and 2004 to make those prayers. We filled our C anupa on their soil to pray for Peace.

If this is really what Arvol said , it does sound like traveling with the Bundle might have become interconnected in some way with Arvol managing to pay his bills . In the context of Arvols excellent reputation , hard work and obvious good intentions , maybe this should not be a big concern , but probably it is good that people in his community who have the knowledge of the right way to do things , are watching and asking questions. From what I have seen , this is the role a traditional community plays in making sure traditions stay healthy .

Still , it is hard seeing someone who does so much good , get so much critisism , especially as it so often seems totally undeserved .




Offline igmuska

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2006, 08:55:52 pm »
I think if you read the DLN statement and petition, you will see the whole issue deals directly with Paula Horne and her other accomplices.

Freja, is it possible for you to fund Wolakota Foundation without Arvol Looking Horse as part of the organization or is he the main reason why you are funding them!

And the other issue is this: When a man is truly a leader, then the people will follow him; if he is other than that, the people will not follow him: there are no alternatives.

The other more important part is this: the cannumpa is now taking care of itself by showing us this issue; it is saying that something is very wrong. Is this difficult to understand?

My own personal opinion is that this will cause Mr. Looking Horse to return to being a holy man; rather than being a leader of other people's causes...maybe this is his way of saying that this is what he wants without hurting people's feelings. Because in this world, it is so gutwrenchingly difficult to say no sometimes without bringing tears or hard feelings to anyone.

Offline Freija

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2006, 09:13:06 pm »

Freja, is it possible for you to fund Wolakota Foundation without Arvol Looking Horse as part of the organization or is he the main reason why you are funding them!


Huh? We are not funding Wolakota Foundation - we haven´t sent them a cent. However, we were planning to fund projects on the reservations in South Dakota. I met a lot of wonderful people last summer. We are not sure exactly what projects and what will happen, just trying to raise money for Lakota people for the time being.  :) And our project in Albuquerque for poor kids is still running.

And Igmuska - I understand what you are saying....

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2006, 01:21:29 am »
One of the problems of combining Traditions or the Sacred to 501(c)3's is the Government regulations you are placing these under. This can become rather sticky. I would guess this is for making donations tax deductable or to obtain grants. You have to think how easy it would be to put certain ceremonies under "Intellectual Copyrights". But it also leave you open to government control. And I rather doubt that is really what most people do not want. That is a very complicated situtation. frederica

Offline Moma_porcupine

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2006, 12:11:24 pm »
There is some more information about what happened at this meeting ,on the second page of a discussion  ,  that starts here ;

http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/viewtopic.php?t=4326

It sounds really painful for everyone involved .
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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2006, 05:37:43 pm »
 Mama, I don't that Chief Arvol Looking Horse status is in question. I think it is the ladies that are in question. It's complicated as to whether he is being used or not. This one has to be decided internally within the Nation itself.  That's just an opinion. Not a fact. frederica

Offline steve_w

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2007, 09:18:28 pm »
frederica

is Paula horn a white lady? her name sound familiar. thank you

frederica

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2007, 03:18:23 am »
That's a Lakota situtation. They will handle it. frederica

Offline steve_w

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2007, 06:16:47 pm »
frederica

i was just wondering because as a native woman yourself you know alot about what other native women are up to. thank you. what tribe are you frederica, i'm part cherokee. thanks.

Offline wasna papa

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2007, 08:07:25 pm »
kola steve w   
 
i like to interduce myself my name is wasna papa.....................
 
 the womams is coreck. some things are not waste, good.... to look close. to turned over a rock in the sun can craul things that can bit you. sometine pujuta medicen for bit is not to look in the begingning.......
 
 pilamayaye


Offline steve_w

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2007, 03:32:07 pm »
Wasna

good to meet you, what tibe are you kola? thank you.

Offline wasna papa

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2007, 08:52:31 pm »
 
 
Kola Steve W.
I am Oglala and waz born on the rezervation but no longer live there caus of my helth.. i  have come hear to listen and learn about what other nations  and uropens think of our peopel. it is never late too larn even at my age.

wasna papa

[Al's note: This person is actually John Lekay, a British supporter of Nuage exploiters, who was kicked out for posing as an elderly Lakota woman.]
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Offline jenaka

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Re: Paula Horn
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2007, 04:43:29 pm »
I am happy that Arvol finaly responded and this was in this weeks Journal

Arvol Looking Horse Response Letter to Dakota Lakota Journal

June 28, 2007

 

I would like to respond to Alfred Bone Shirt & Vivian High Elk’s article in the June 15, 2007 in the Dakota/ Lakota Journal , talking about the traditions and sacred way of life towards the “C’anupa???.

First of all I would like to say that on June 21st World Peace & Prayer Day and Honor Sacred Sites Day was a success, people all over the world praying together in their own ways and own Sacred Sites.  All nations, all faiths, one prayer is respecting each other’s traditions culture and religions.  There is one creator and one grandmother earth that we all share. We have gone all over the world once a year to pray with other Indigenous Nations at their Sacred Sites and to the United Nations to talk about prophecies and we as the first nations have committed ourselves to maintaining our sacred way of life.

This year we traveled to Teotihuacan , Mexico City, Mexico . To offer prayers to different Sacred Sites and pray at a place where over a thousand young people were massacred in 1968.

We had a run to Teotihuacan .  We asked for volunteers to run and we said that we would help to raise $1,500 for each individual for the following items: passport, running gear, etc, but because of the immigration controversy nobody stepped forward and no money was raised towards this effort.  Just me and the family ran with the local runners in Mexico .

The other Pipestone Run on our wolakota.org website was coordinated by Allen Hare and Paul Rouse Sr. family.  Paul Rouse Sr. has gone back to the spirit world and the family honored me last year by giving me a brown van and the family said that the young boys would continue running for their late father. So there were two runs that we were involved with in support of prayers.  Their information with where to send their support funds was posted on the website; no money was raised through wolakota! Anyone can go and see that information for themselves.

We returned from a beautiful ceremony in Mexico City, a place which was governed by the state, this year is the first year that we have lead our staffs into the center of Teotihuacan to do our ceremony. World Peace and Prayer Day opened that door to allow a ceremony to take place as it did for Devils Tower aka Grey Horn Butte in 1996.

After reading what was printed in the newspaper, an ongoing confusion which star ted on the Rosebud reservation on October 21, 2006 where a traditional Treaty meeting took place. A resolution/petition that was drafted by Vivian High Elk, Martina Looking Horse, Stacey Low Dog and Alfred Bone Shirt was presented, but tabled and not accepted by the elders in attendance at the meeting. Floyd Hand stated this fact in his Lakota Journal interview last October about this controversy. Since that time their attacks were very strong, so I had little choice but to put the sacred C’anupa away. I am the only one that knows where it’s at. So I put it under ground and now today that grass has covered it.  When the time is right, I will bring it back up.

The Keeper before me, my grand mother Lucy, put it away like that when she had to pick potatoes in Nebraska to survive when no longer the People supported her and also during the Wounded Knee era when our ways were outlawed, that was done.  Pte San Win spirit and help is still with us all as we experience in our ongoing ceremonies, but this is what I was instructed to do when problems come to the Bundle itself.

At the age of 12 years old I was given that responsibility by my grandmother Lucy Bad Warrior Looking Horse and she told me that I would be the last keeper of this C’anupa. During this time there was so much prophecies coming in time like the Eagle and the Condor, the White Buffalo Calf and all of the animals showing their sacred color and we must be the voice for the animal nations.

There will be many false prophets; there will be a lot of earth changes and climate changes, which would affect our lives and our way of life. This spirit bundle, which I take care of, was handed down through generations and because it is a spirit bundle it chooses it’s Keeper. But many people have died protecting our Sacred Sites and ceremonies.

My father ( Stanley Looking Horse Sr.) would go to the Sacred Sites and pray with his C’anupa and as a young boy; I would go along with him to help him. He helped me understand as a boy the importance of Sacred Sites, as we are losing them to tourist attractions, people selling them and farmers. Growing up in those times, some places we were not allowed to conduct our ceremonies. I hope and pray that some day people would respect our Sacred Sites like the Sacred Pipestone quarries in Minnesota or Bear Butte in the Sacred Black Hills, where people are trying to make a Saloon.

Our struggles continue today protecting our Sacred Sites. But the women who are my relatives have caused a lot of confusion, since that meeting in Rosebud and up to the more recent article by Vivian High Elk & Alfred Bone Shirt.  Two traditional laws have been broken. The first law is that our Lakota/Dakota/Nakota Oyate is a patriarchal society and the (women) shouldn’t have ever overstepped the traditional headsmen that tabled their resolution in October 26, 2006 and posted it to the public as if it were passed and agreed upon. The second law, in our tradition is when a woman was with a Non-Indian, they would have no voice within our nation to speak publicly about our traditions, but they could still pray and be among our people. So this stated in our treaties by our ancestors. This is what I would like to remind our people of. 

And for my sister Martina Looking Horse, I hope that she can go to treatment, as many of our people have done to turn around their life and get some help, because she’s been using since the 70’s and yet she tries to be a voice for the Looking Horse family. My family can tell you that she has never been on a vision quest or has Sun Danced.  My concern is her use has caused constant misbehavior with the viscous and untrue words she does publicly; goes against our traditions and misrepresents our family.

This whole conflict is happening because of money that these individuals think should go to them personally and to others they convinced of their hardship that is due, any money raised is for what efforts wolakota was created for and the people involved in those efforts. There are other state and non-profit organizations that help the concerns they have and have helped them. They can also spend their energy on their concerns and creating their own program, instead their energy to attack people.

I run ceremonies and my other half sits with my C’anupa in ceremonies, so when did it become tradition to break up families or use jealousy over children in the arguments in the public, because they are not directly related. In our culture we never used the word “step??? this or that, when we accept a child or person as a part of our family. They were always a part of our own tios’paye, family.  This is what was taught to me by my Grandmother and parents, as they too accepted people in our family hoop.

In our tradition the eagle feather is the high honor among our people, because it is the main thing that we must all hold to be a part of any ceremony. If we drop an eagle feather we have no choice, but to pray to our grand father and the Grandmother earth.  There are protocols for any sacred item and as a spiritual person, we take care of them or even how we speak about them.

So when we talk about the sacred C’anupa we should remember the words of Pte San Win, the White buffalo Calf Woman, a spirit woman; that only the good shall see the C’anupa and that the bad should not even see it or touch it. Since the meeting in Rosebud, Alfred Bone Shirt and them have threatened to get the C’anupa and to give it to someone else, so I must listen to what was passed down in knowledge when these things happen. 

I struggle just like anyone else to pay to live in this society and survive. I have chosen to survive by speaking of what our work is about, as many of our own people that have earned that voice in being asked to speak of education in many areas that concern our people.  But I will always stand by the protecting our sacred way of life, that the blood of our people is not for sale as in our sacred stone and as well as our ceremonies, my responsibility that comes with this position.

Our traditional ways are very strict. Today people are fasting and Sun Dancing. During this time of our most important ceremonies where people are looking for good health, it was always said to watch our words, as words are sacred, they can do more damage then good to a Nation and also misrepresent who we are as a People. Young People read these things and this also goes down in history, this behavior makes our Nation look bad, these are issues, traditionally that should have been handled in a more respectful way instead of going out there in the world.  Our native newspapers should be a part of this too and check out whether it is true or good for people to read.

Once again, I will tell our people that once you go into that (Sun Dance) circle, you stay in there for four days and fulfill your commitment.  Our people can be strong people!

I would like to thank all of the people for listening to the few words that I have to say today. Thank you very much. 

Arvol Looking Horse

Eagle Butte , SD