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Barbara Lee White AKA Kachinas Kutenai
educatedindian:
She's showed up briefly before in one thread. Didn't have much at the time, but she's since been discovered all over German sites. Yet again, thanks to Ingeborg, whose putting in an awful lot of time doing research and translating.
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Kachinas Kutenai. I found 192 Grrman language sites on her; the total for all languages is 266.
---- ? www.redestab.de
According to this site (the name translates as 'talking stick' btw), KK was born in 1935 on the Gila River rez in Arizona; she is said to be a Chiricahua Apache.
--- ? ? www.avrecording.de/huc04.htm
Announces and event with KK as a speaker on 'Clearvoyance regarding mother earth and father sky
--- ? ? www.pz-testudo.de/selbst.html
The bio of a German woman going by the name of 'Arupa'. Bio says she started out with Osho, then studied with Frank Natale.
Now she is described as "interpretor and translator for her Indian 'grandmother' and mentor Kachinas Kutenai, an Apache shaman and medicine woman".
English sites:
www.drboylan.com/stfamcf2.html
www.collegeofthedesert.edu/Students/Academics/CommunityEducation/index.asp?id=297
Al's note: Not certain why KK'd be born on Gila River rez, it's Pima and Maricopa. The Chiricahuas are mostly over at San Carlos rez, some at White Mountain. And that name of hers...
silverbonn:
I joined this Board *specifically* to address the "Truth" of Kachinas Kutenai for I know her personally (tho' I do not expect ANYone to "take my word for it.")
Yes, she was born in 1935 on the Gila Reservation of Arizona. Perhaps the confusion as to her (Chiricahua)ancestry may be "settled" by what I have learned of the Apache.
Caused by the same (White) ignorance that "lumps" all Latinos into the same category/People, be they Cuban, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Guatemalan... or Spanish, in the late 1800s, the US Gov't imprisoned many Apache Peoples, be they Jicarilla, White Mountain... and Chiracahua, et al, with the Mescalero Peoples on the Mescalero Reservation of New Mexico. (I currently live in Ruidoso, NM, a "stones throw" away from the rez and am presently researching the Mescalero's Story. I'm a writer, btw.) --I even had a (Mescalero) friend tell me Geronimo was full-blooded Navajo! (I believe this comes from the translation of the word/s "Apache" and "Navajo" to mean "Enemy"--the same as "Anasazi." --Ah, anthropologists! <sigh>)
If you will GOOGLE "Native American Healing" (her book), you can find her full bio (which is a "mile long"). Briefly: White educated, she became a Registered Nurse, married, had children and, after a "health crisis" and suffering serious side-effects from the "White Coats 'medicine'," abandoned Western Medicine for good.
Returning to the "Old Ways" as taught by her (blind) Grand Mother (walking in Balance, diet, herbs <"Plant Medicine">, etc.) --she set about to heal herself... and the Planet, as well.
Active in the (VietNam) anti-war movement, drug and alcohol abuse, "troubled" Native American youth, et al, she was credited with (the only case of) turning an HIV+ person to one virus-free. (Altho' she would be the *first* to say *all* Healing comes from the Great Spirit and "Healers" are but the "agents.")
At some point, she recognized the "troubles" of the Peoples and Planet to be *so* great, a more *radical* approach was needed and decided to go back to the "core"--the educational system/s. This is (I believe) the reason for her extensive travels to Europe and Germany, specifically. The proceeds go to the founding of (her) "Sacred Rainbow Circle Center," a learning center for *all* peoples. (Its philosophy may also be found in the book I cited above.)
In writing this post (with an eye on brevity), I have been wracking my brain to come up with some sort of "proof" of her Truth for you and came upon (translated from the German, thanks to GOOGLE's translation engine) a young woman's comment after attending one of her lectures.
"What can I do to help your People?" the woman says she asked and Kachinas Kutenai replied, "Learn about your own People and help *them* first..."
Having had the same said to *me* in the 70s by an A.I.M. representative (except *he*added, "...and leave my People ALONE!" I took his words to heart and left college 2 months later), I hope this resonates with *you* the same way it did me.
I know you do not know me "from Adam." As I stated before, I do not expect you to "take my words for it" -- nevertheless, *my* life, for one, has been *forever* changed by her. Any concern you have that she is not for "Real" is without merit. ANYone in her presence *Feels* her Power (and *I* have Seen it), *Knows* she is Wise-- ALL, upon meeting her, wish to "sit at her feet and learn." For she has MUCH to offer. She IS the "real deal" and has "walked the walk" for YEARS.
Thank you for hearing me out.
"Silverbonn" ("Blindfolded One")
educatedindian:
"Yes, she was born in 1935 on the Gila Reservation of Arizona. Perhaps the confusion as to her (Chiricahua)ancestry may be "settled" by what I have learned of the Apache.
Caused by the same (White) ignorance that "lumps" all Latinos into the same category/People, be they Cuban, Puerto Rican, Mexican, Guatemalan... or Spanish, in the late 1800s, the US Gov't imprisoned many Apache Peoples, be they Jicarilla, White Mountain... and Chiracahua, et al, with the Mescalero Peoples on the Mescalero Reservation of New Mexico."
That doesn't really explain why an Apache would be born on the Pima rez.
"If you will GOOGLE "Native American Healing" (her book), you can find her full bio (which is a "mile long")."
Google wasn't much help. Amazon doesn't have her bio with her books.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/104-6106571-8743128?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Kachinas%20Kutenai
Do you have a link to that bio, Silverbonn?
"she was credited with (the only case of) turning an HIV+ person to one virus-free."
Do you have a source you could show us about that?
" At some point, she recognized the "troubles" of the Peoples and Planet to be *so* great, a more *radical* approach was needed and decided to go back to the "core"--the educational system/s. This is (I believe) the reason for her extensive travels to Europe and Germany, specifically."
That's strange reasoning. Europeans no longer have any control over Native lands and peoples. If she wanted to help her people, she'd be with them. If she wanted to change the systems that affect her people, she'd be trying to change the systems in the US, Canada, or Latin America.
"The proceeds go to the founding of (her) "Sacred Rainbow Circle Center," a learning center for *all* peoples."
And yet the center is in Europe, correct? Probably in Germany. It doesn't do anything for her people, and I doubt if it has a single Native person learning in it, just white Europeans. How much does the center charge?
"Any concern you have that she is not for "Real" is without merit. ANYone in her presence *Feels* her Power (and *I* have Seen it), *Knows* she is Wise-- ALL, upon meeting her, wish to "sit at her feet and learn."
I've been to Europe. I know from experience that many Europeans take anything an Indian says as great wisdom. There's a guy in Sweden who goes around lecturing that "plants need water". No kidding. And people pay him huge amounts of money for this.
Possibly being a charismatic speaker is not proof of anything, nor is how she makes you feel. I don't doubt her affect on you is genuine, but almost everything else you says just leaves us with more questions.
Ingeborg:
I have done another search for KK, and there are still some 160 results coming up just in
German language. She seems to have a long record of doing seminars etc in Europe,
as I found entries covering several years, dating back to 1997. KK also makes regular
appearances at esoteric congresses, with a few more quite interesting persons. Not all
of the sites have price tags, but I found some.
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/1103k_kutenai.htm
"A medicine woman speaks - Kachinas Kutenai in Schwarzenbek
Quiet, full of dignity, and at the same time with an enormous strength and intensitiy,
Kachinas opens the mind and the hearts of those persons who seek to be close to
her during workshops and lectures. The shaman and tribal elder is recognized as
an expert on alternative healing methods in the USA and in Europe. She taught at
universities and did lectures on many congresses. She shows a path to find and
keep inner peace in everyday life and teaches us "native healing", the Indian way
of becoming whole.
Lecture: Nov 21, 2003 8 p.m., Workshop "Native Healing" Nov 22/23, 2003
Indiviual counceling possible, please book in advance."
At a different section of the same site, an ad for an event in 2005:
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/0805k_grabolle.htm
"For several years now Kachinas Kutenai, medicine woman of the Apache, has
been coming to Hamburg. It is important to her to carry the wisdom to Europe
which since centuries has been reserved to the Indians. This weekend will be
for healing. There will be an open evening and two seminars of one day each.
She teaches us about messages and meanings of power animals, of those
which accompany us for our life and others who suddenly appear in our life
to tell us something. During the second seminar, she will teach us about
healing energies and how we can use them to help us and others.
Indiviual counceling from Oct 3, 2005. Please do book in advance!
Dates:
Sep 30, 2005: Open Evening "A medicine woman speaks"
Fee: EURO 20
Oct 1, 2005: Seminar "Power Animals and their Meaning"
Fee: EURO 105
Oct 2, 2005: Seminar "Healing Energies
Fee: EURO 105"
This site offers some info about KK's curriculum vitae and 'work':
http://www.redestab.de/kutenai/index.html
"Kachinas Kutenai
Healer and medicine woman of the Apache
Kachinas Kutenai, born Jan 1935 on the Indian reservation at Gila River
in Arizona, is among the recognized persons in alternative healing in USA
and Europe. She has been and still gets invited to numerous congresses
and conferences as a speaker, does lectures at universities, so e.g. at
Stanford, Berkely [sic] and Reno and did courses at a college.
The US Senate invited her as an expert to speak to a comitee on alternative
healing methods. With her own TV series "Medicine Woman Speaks", she
went on air for two years on a local TV station in San Diego. With her initiative,
"Sacred Rainbow Circle" came into being, a charitable organisation against
racism and misogyny.
Her work encompasses healing with the hidden powers of nature, using the
power of colours, healing stones and other power objects, of the harmonizing
effects of sounds, use of herbs and recipes, (healing) ceremonies and rituals,
trainings in visualization and much more.
She has healing successes which have been proven clinically with AIDS
patients and treats cancer.
She has written two books, "Medicine woman speaks", and "American Indian
healing" and contributed to many more.
In more than 35 years of work in healing, also as an examinated nurse for
many years, and due to the strong connection to her Indian ancestors, she
does not only have her shamanic healing abilities, but also a vast knowledge
on healing methods with roots dating back millenia which she combines with
Western medicine.
Kachinas will be in Cologne between June 6-12, 2004, indiviual counceling
with her can be booked, she will have her own booth at the fair on June 10,
2004, and on June 12/13, she will be leading a weekend workshop during
which she will do a medicine wheel with participants and take them into a
sweatlodge."
This entry is quite interesting, as KK apparently does not mind causing the
impression that she has successfully healed AIDS and cancer patients - in
fact, DAs in Germany will mind, as this happens to be regarded illegal in Germany.
http://www.kgsberlin.de/archiv/display_entry/art14927/?PHPSESSID=fntab9erjk9c4tip4mi3q92gf7
This announces an event with KK:
"A new balance between genders (edition April 2002)
An evening of experience - with the Apache medicine woman Kachias Kutenai"
This is an ad for an esoteric/nuage congress in the Swiss town of Basel in
2000:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:c4JzzUK0IOwJ:www.psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/referenten.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=de&lr=lang_de
KK is named as a lecturer appearing in the main programme during the Congress
"Reincarnation - Folly or Reality" during the 18th Basel Psi-Days
This is for a congress in 2003
http://www.avrecording.de/suw03.htm
KK is announced as a lecturer, with a few more quite interesting persons who
seem to merit a research:
"Spirituality and World Peace
Dec 4-7, 2003
Indian Shamans Scientist-Spiritual Teachers give Impulses
Organizer: Die Andere Realitaet (the other reality)
www.d-a-r.de
Among the lecturers listed:
Grupo Calli und Devalon Small Legs
F. Wegner: Why a spiritual political party is necessary
Kachinas Kutenai: Concepts for World Peace through Spiritual Activity
Grupo Calli: Aztec Dances and Rites for Peace
Tacan'sina: Peace ceremony of the Mandan people
Standing Eagle: A new Rise of "All my Relations"
Aztec Shamans, Kachinas Kutenai, Deval. Small Legs and others: Powwow
Devalon Small Legs: The Use of Indian herbal medicine today
J. Reuben Silverbird: Welcome blessing ceremony
Lightening Bear [sic]
Note: Lightning Bear aka Pushican aka John Colbert aka John Cobbert, a white
person claiming to be 'the' Comanche medicine man, has been researched at
NAFPS before. His appearance at this 2003 congress is interesting, as Colbert
has been tried and convicted for sexual abuse/torture of some of his followers
(incl. one minor) by a German court of justice in the year 2000.
At the same site, there is an info on their 2004 congress:
"Clearvoyance and Channeling and Pre-Astronautics and Ufology
May 28-31, 2004
sound_thm.gif (1042 Byte) Audio/Videomitschnitte vidcam3.gif (1245 Byte)
Organizer: Die Andere Realitäet
Kachinas Kutenai: UFOs from an Indian point of view May 31, 04 14:45, 45 minutes
Kachinas Kutenai: Clearvoyance in regard to Mother Earth and Father Sky - May 30, 05, 17:30
Here's another one with a price tag from last year:
http://www.danielwelt.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=30311&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&sid=374518a607e1b3888a1ee26469eda4b2&page=194
"May 30, 2007
INDIAN HEALING
Kachinas Kutenai combines conservative medical knowledge with shamanic healing
abilities.
KK: teaching ancient healing methods....
The healer, shaman, and medicine woman of the Apache, born in 1935!!![sic] will
visit the North of Germany in order to do a women's power ceremony and a men's
power ceremony with Spirit Bear.
The essence of these powerful rituals which women and men will spend in separated
groups is to understand and accept oneself as a soul in a female or male body, to
honour oneself and to experience in order to take over responsibility to be a God or
Goddess in human bodies.
Following a personal healing, participants will receive a spiritual name as a helper
and companion. With heart and humour "grandmother" Kutenai and Spirit Bear teach
their vast knowledge in the traditional form of the Indians: Identifying and application
of Indian totems, food stuffs and herbs in everyday life, how to deal with oneself, the
children, the elders and much more".
KACHINAS KUTENAI, SPIRIT BEAR
"Women's power ceremony, men's power ceremony"
Seminar, June 22-24, 2007
Fee: EURO 450 incl food and accom
Place, info and bookings: Vision of Love at Light Farm, Elke Kirchner [....],
21386 Betzendorf [...]"
Here is a photo of the 2003 congress:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:Ud0smGd1J4MJ:www.wegweiser-magazin.de/pdf/5-04/Aktuell-5-04.pdf+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=22&gl=de&lr=lang_de
Caption beneath the photo says:
"Dieter Wiergowski, organizer; Aztec woman, Mosaro, Dieter Binder, Gabriele
Kohl, Kachinas Kutenai, Aztec Shaman Paco.
Bottom row left: Elk Chief, three Aztec children, another Aztec shaman, I have done another search for KK, and there are still some 160 results coming
up just in German language. She seems to have a long record of doing seminars
etc in Europe, as I found entries covering several years, dating back to
1997. KK also makes regular appearances at esoteric congresses, with a few
more quite interesting persons. Not all of the sites have price tags, but I
found some.
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/1103k_kutenai.htm
"A medicine woman speaks - Kachinas Kutenai in Schwarzenbek
Quiet, full of dignity, and at the same time with an enormous strength and
intensitiy, Kachinas opens the mind and the hearts of those persons who seek
to be close to her during workshops and lectures. The shaman and tribal elder
is recognized as an expert on alternative healing methods in the USA and in
Europe. She taught at universities and did lectures on many congresses. She
shows a path to find and keep inner peace in everyday life and teaches us
"native healing", the Indian way of becoming whole.
Lecture: Nov 21, 2003 8 p.m., Workshop "Native Healing" Nov 22/23, 2003
Indiviual counceling possible, please book in advance."
At a different section of the same site, an ad for an event in 2005:
http://www.wrage.de/kgs/0805k_grabolle.htm
"For several years now Kachinas Kutenai, medicine woman of the Apache, has
been coming to Hamburg. It is important to her to carry the wisdom to Europe
which since centuries has been reserved to the Indians. This weekend will be
for healing. There will be an open evening and two seminars of one day each.
She teaches us about messages and meanings of power animals, of those which
accompany us for our life and others who suddenly appear in our life to tell
us something. During the second seminar, she will teach us about healing
energies and how we can use them to help us and others.
Indiviual counceling from Oct 3, 2005. Please do book in advance!
Dates:
Sep 30, 2005: Open Evening "A medicine woman speaks"
Fee: EURO 20
Oct 1, 2005: Seminar "Power Animals and their Meaning"
Fee: EURO 105
Oct 2, 2005: Seminar "Healing Energies
Fee: EURO 105"
This site offers some info about KK's curriculum vitae and 'work':
http://www.redestab.de/kutenai/index.html
"Kachinas Kutenai
Healer and medicine woman of the Apache
Kachinas Kutenai, born Jan 1935 on the Indian reservation at Gila River in
Arizona, is among the recognized persons in alternative healing in USA and
Europe. She has been and still gets invited to numerous congresses and
conferences as a speaker, does lectures at universities, so e.g. at Stanford,
Berkely [sic] and Reno and did courses at a college.
The US Senate invited her as an expert to speak to a comitee on alternative
healing methods. With her own TV series "Medicine Woman Speaks", she went on
air for two years on a local TV station in San Diego. With her initiative,
"Sacred Rainbow Circle" came into being, a charitable organisation against
racism and misogyny.
Her work encompasses healing with the hidden powers of nature, using the power
of colours, healing stones and other power objects, of the harmonizing
effects of sounds, use of herbs and recipes, (healing) ceremonies and
rituals, trainings in visualization and much more.
She has healing successes which have been proven clinically with AIDS patients
and treats cancer.
She has written two books, "Medicine woman speaks", and "American Indian
healing" and contributed to many more.
In more than 35 years of work in healing, also as an examinated nurse for many
years, and due to the strong connection to her Indian ancestors, she does not
only have her shamanic healing abilities, but also a vast knowledge on
healing methods with roots dating back millenia which she combines with
Western medicine.
Kachinas will be in Cologne between June 6-12, 2004, indiviual counceling with
her can be booked, she will have her own booth at the fair on June 10, 2004,
and on June 12/13, she will be leading a weekend workshop during which she
will do a medicine wheel with participants and take them into a sweatlodge."
This entry is quite interesting, as KK apparently does not mind causing the
impression that she has successfully healed AIDS and cancer patients - in
fact, DAs in Germany will mind, as this happens to be regarded illegal in
Germany.
http://www.kgsberlin.de/archiv/display_entry/art14927/?PHPSESSID=fntab9erjk9c4tip4mi3q92gf7
This announces an event with KK:
"A new balance between genders (edition April 2002)
An evening of experience - with the Apache medicine woman Kachias Kutenai"
This is an ad for an esoteric/nuage congress in the Swiss town of Basel in
2000:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:c4JzzUK0IOwJ:www.psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/referenten.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=de&lr=lang_de
KK is named as a lecturer appearing in the main programme during the Congress
"Reincarnation - Folly or Reality" during the 18th Basel Psi-Days
This is for a congress in 2003
http://www.avrecording.de/suw03.htm
KK is announced as a lecturer, with a few more quite interesting persons who
seem to merit a research:
"Spirituality and World Peace
Dec 4-7, 2003
Indian Shamans Scientist-Spiritual Teachers give Impulses
Organizer: Die Andere Realitaet (the other reality)
www.d-a-r.de
Among the lecturers listed:
Grupo Calli und Devalon Small Legs
F. Wegner: Why a spiritual political party is necessary
Kachinas Kutenai: Concepts for World Peace through Spiritual Activity
Grupo Calli: Aztec Dances and Rites for Peace
Tacan'sina: Peace ceremony of the Mandan people
Standing Eagle: A new Rise of "All my Relations"
Aztec Shamans, Kachinas Kutenai, Deval. Small Legs and others: Powwow
Devalon Small Legs: The Use of Indian herbal medicine today
J. Reuben Silverbird: Welcome blessing ceremony
Lightening Bear [sic]
Note: Lightning Bear aka Pushican aka John Colbert aka John Cobbert, a white
person claiming to be 'the' Comanche medicine man, has been researched at
NAFPS before. His appearance at this 2003 congress is interesting, as Colbert
has been tried and convicted for sexual abuse/torture of some of his
followers (incl. one minor) by a German court of justice in the year 2000.
At the same site, there is an info on their 2004 congress:
"Clearvoyance and Channeling and Pre-Astronautics and Ufology
May 28-31, 2004
sound_thm.gif (1042 Byte) Audio/Videomitschnitte vidcam3.gif (1245 Byte)
Organizer: Die Andere Realitäet
Kachinas Kutenai: UFOs from an Indian point of view May 31, 04 14:45, 45
minutes
Kachinas Kutenai: Clearvoyance in regard to Mother Earth and Father Sky - May
30, 05, 17:30
Here's another one with a price tag from last year:
http://www.danielwelt.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=30311&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&sid=374518a607e1b3888a1ee26469eda4b2&page=194
"May 30, 2007
INDIAN HEALING
Kachinas Kutenai combines conservative medical knowledge with shamanic healing
abilities.
KK: teaching ancient healing methods....
The healer, shaman, and medicine woman of the Apache, born in 1935!!![sic]
will visit the North of Germany in order to do a women's power ceremony and a
men's power ceremony with Spirit Bear.
The essence of these powerful rituals which women and men will spend in
separated groups is to understand and accept oneself as a soul in a female or
male body, to honour oneself and to experience in order to take over
responsibility to be a God or Goddess in human bodies.
Following a personal healing, participants will receive a spiritual name as a
helper and companion. With heart and humour "grandmother" Kutenai and Spirit
Bear teach their vast knowledge in the traditional form of the Indians:
Identifying and application of Indian totems, food stuffs and herbs in
everyday life, how to deal with oneself, the children, the elders and much
more".
KACHINAS KUTENAI, SPIRIT BEAR
"Women's power ceremony, men's power ceremony"
Seminar, June 22-24, 2007
Fee: EURO 450 incl food and accom
Place, info and bookings: Vision of Love at Light Farm, Elke Kirchner [....],
21386 Betzendorf [...]"
Here is a photo of the 2003 congress:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:Ud0smGd1J4MJ:www.wegweiser-magazin.de/pdf/5-04/Aktuell-5-04.pdf+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=22&gl=de&lr=lang_de
Caption beneath the photo says:
"Dieter Wiergowski, organizer; Aztec woman, Mosaro, Dieter Binder, Gabriele
Kohl, Kachinas Kutenai, Aztec Shaman Paco.
Bottom row left: Elk Chief, three Aztec children, another Aztec shaman, Bruno
Wuertenberger, Devalon Small Legs an Lightning Bear"
This is for an esoteric congress in the Swiss town of Basel in 1997:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:u3YZMet1PBUJ:psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/highlights.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=40&gl=de&lr=lang_de
Apparently, KK has done more lectures on reincarnation on congresses, as this
one already took place in 1997. The ad says:
"Reincarnation in the view of an Indian medicine woman
The belief in reincarnation is also widespread among the Indians of North
America. One of their most recognized persons, medicine woman Kachinas
Kutenai of the Apache tribe, explains within the framwork of her tradition,
"how to recognize genuine reincarnation experience and how to use it for
one's present life". She also means to give advice regarding "how to heal a
negative past and how to prepare oneself for a positive reincarnation"."
Two seminars with KK are to be found in the programme:
"Saturday Nov 25 - 16:45-18:15 [Seminar) The Value of knowing about previous
Lives
Monday Nov 27, 9.30-18.00 (Intensive Seminar) Love and Forgiving - the key
terms to understand reincarnation"
At this site, KK is mentioned as seminar leader (scroll down for photo and
intro):
http://www.earthoasistravelportal.de/pages_inhalt/others/reiseleiter.html
"Kachinas Kutenai was born at Gila River Reservation/Arizona in 1935. A heart
attack in the middle of her life made her change to a spiritual path. She
studied Indian healing arts and became medicine woman of the Apache. Today,
she is a relationship councellour, healer, tribal elder, and in the USA
belongs to the most recognize personalities in the field of healing methods."
Other seminar leaders mentioned are Hunbatz Man and Augustino Rivas.
This site is maintained by a woman claiming to have been taught be KK and
Geronimo:
http://www.syntropia.de/geronimos-geschenke-p-14332.html
The site also sells this persons book, "Geronimo's gifts" at the price of EURO
21.70.
A caption in the text reads "Na Hai Te He and soul partner Gije".
Sauer claims "NA HAI TE HE, as almost all spiritual teachings, techniques or
rituals or channeled energies, has been given in full trust by the master to
the pupil.... NA HAI TE HE is the light living in your soul.... a powerful,
harmonizing Indian teaching full of warmth, goodness, mercy, and healing
effects which will inspire you and balance your energies."
Sauer claims to be the only non Apache woman authorized to teach this by
Kachinas Kutenai and Geronimo.
Bruno Wuertenberger, Devalon Small Legs an Lightning Bear"
This is for an esoteric congress in the Swiss town of Basel in 1997:
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:u3YZMet1PBUJ:psi-tage.ch/rueckblicke/2000/highlights.doc+%22Kachinas+Kutenai%22&hl=de&ct=clnk&cd=40&gl=de&lr=lang_de
Apparently, KK has done more lectures on reincarnation on congresses, as
this one already took place in 1997. The ad says:
"Reincarnation in the view of an Indian medicine woman
The belief in reincarnation is also widespread among the Indians of North
America. One of their most recognized persons, medicine woman Kachinas
Kutenai of the Apache tribe, explains within the framwork of her tradition, "how
to recognize genuine reincarnation experience and how to use it for one's
present life". She also means to give advice regarding "how to heal a negative
past and how to prepare oneself for a positive reincarnation"."
Two seminars with KK are to be found in the programme:
"Saturday Nov 25 - 16:45-18:15 [Seminar) The Value of knowing about previous Lives
Monday Nov 27, 9.30-18.00 (Intensive Seminar) Love and Forgiving - the key terms
to understand reincarnation"
At this site, KK is mentioned as seminar leader (scroll down for photo and intro):
http://www.earthoasistravelportal.de/pages_inhalt/others/reiseleiter.html
"Kachinas Kutenai was born at Gila River Reservation/Arizona in 1935. A heart
attack in the middle of her life made her change to a spiritual path. She studied
Indian healing arts and became medicine woman of the Apache. Today, she is
a relationship councellour, healer, tribal elder, and in the USA belongs to the
most recognize personalities in the field of healing methods."
Other seminar leaders mentioned are Hunbatz Man and Augustino Rivas.
This site is maintained by a woman claiming to have been taught be KK and
Geronimo:
http://www.syntropia.de/geronimos-geschenke-p-14332.html
The site also sells this persons book, "Geronimo's gifts" at the price of EURO 21.70.
A caption in the text reads "Na Hai Te He and soul partner Gije".
Sauer claims "NA HAI TE HE, as almost all spiritual teachings, techniques or
rituals or channeled energies, has been given in full trust by the master to the
pupil.... NA HAI TE HE is the light living in your soul.... a powerful, harmonizing
Indian teaching full of warmth, goodness, mercy, and healing effects which will
inspire you and balance your energies."
Sauer claims to be the only non Apache woman authorized to teach this by
Kachinas Kutenai and Geronimo.
educatedindian:
One of her followers claiming to be taught by Geronimo? Claiming most Indians believe in reincarnation? UFOlogy? Power animals?
That, plus the association with many dubious people, Lightning Bear, Reuben Silverbird, Hunbatz Men, Augustin Rivas, and other exploiters, leads me to doubt her claims even more.
The claim that she testified as an expert witness before the US Senate was a lie. The Congressional Records can be searched online, and they show no record of her.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/common/faq/how_to_congressional_record.htm
That TV show in San Diego probably was public access.
Found this address for her foundation.
SACRED RAINBOW CIRCLE FOUNDATION
& AMERICAN INDIAN HEALIING TEMPLE INC.
Kachinas Kutenai - Apache Medicine Woman, Founder/President/Chief
P.O.Box 26892, San Diego, CA 92196-0892
Phone: (619) 549-2835, Fax: (619) 549-8970, e-mail:
srcircle@earthlink.net
Also found the myspace page for one of the members, who also does angel card readings and says she is a missionary and empath.
http://www.myspaceprofiles.org/profiles/76272608.html
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