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Sac River and White River Band
« on: March 02, 2006, 05:16:50 am »
 Has any one heard of these two "tribes"
Chickamauga Cherokee Bands of Chickamauga Cherokee Nation of Ark. and MO. Inc. out of Sringfield , Mo.

Also the Amonsoquath tribe of Cherokee.

They show tribal enrollment with a charge.
Just had a friend email me to say she is enrolled in a Chickamauga tribe in MO. and was given the name.



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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2006, 05:19:29 am »

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2006, 07:00:37 pm »
Vance Hawkins, a longtime member here, has a yahoo group dedicated to all the misinformation out there about alleged Chickamaugas. If I recall right, they haven't found any evidence of Chickamaugas after the 1760s. That hasn't stopped loads of pretenders from coming forward and making all kinds of claims, the most famous being John Pope AKA "Rolling Thunder".

Comanchelodge used to have warnings on this "band" that you can still find cached by google.

I see a couple problems with their claims. They list the WCN as a sister tribe. Also the Amonsoquath, Wm Anderson's bunch that claims Pocahontas was Cherokee. They also do women only sweatlodges.

They claim 8000 members, but list as a goal to get 1000 members to attend tribal gatherings. And their photos show gatherings that seem to be just a dozen people at most. So is this more of a mailing list than anything else? People who think of it as signing up for a heritage group newsletter?

They list Richard Craker as an elder. From what I can tell he seems a decent sincere person, a retired art teacher.

But I don't think any actual tribe would call him an elder. None of what he knows, or claims to know, seem passed down by oral tradition. The writing he has posted all discuss conspiracy theory style pseudo-archaeology, claiming there were lots of "white Indians" here before Columbus got here.

I'd also like to ask our Cherokee members about what I found here:
"As taught to me by Richard Craker, the spiritual leader mentioned above, the Chickamauga believe that your ‘soul' name can come to you on a "Vision Quest;" they are also given by any Chickamauga "A-da-wi-hi" or "Medicine-Man" of other S.E. tribes in lieu of the actual ritual. Such names are not just a given name or a "handle" to use casually, but are to only be used in healings, ceremonies, and by the closest family or clan members. Other types of names are old 'clan names' handed down to an individual by their clan mothers; "war-names" given or taken for rank or personal protection in battle; and lastly, "familiar names" given to you by your own family upon your birth. These last kind often changed as you grew out of the, or into another, identity. It could be taken alone, and if the name stuck with the family and the tribe, then that was what you were called. With a "familiar name," you were safe from strangers who might wish to "bewitch" you! With your 'Soul' name you had a power to grow into, a ritual name to pray with, and any ceremonies done with your 'Soul' name and clan was far more effective in achieving your purpose."

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Re: Sac River and White River Band
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2006, 07:30:08 pm »
Here's what Comanchelodge had to say about them. How much is true I don't know. Vance has said before in here that Darren McCathern of CL has a lot of his history wrong.

Sac River & White River Bands & Historical Fraud
What is Historical Fraud?
Well in the case of Cherokee Tribes allegedly located in Missouri, you will find no greater example of outright Historical & Genealogical Fraud.
In 1992 The Sac River & White River Bands of Chickamauga located in Missouri had made all sorts of false claims, one of which included the Amonsoquath whom they have been affiliated with since the days of their splintering from the Northern Cherokee.
This associated group of frauds during this time in the early 90's published false documentation and then attempted to pursuade officials and other ignorant people of a fraudulent constitution where this false documentation made the claim that in 1895 Redbird Smith and several other prominent well respected Cherokees formed a group made up of three bands of alleged Cherokee. (All located in Missouri....Naturally) :o)
These groups were allegedly to be called the Eastern Cherokee Indians of Missouri & Arkansas, and a phony document full of errors and inconsistancies was distributed by the Sac River & White River Bands in Missouri as being an
authentic document.
Besides the inconsistancies of both simple things such as location and historical errors, it is almost hysterical to consider that after a period of no
less than 110 years of my people being known as Arkansas Cherokee or Western Cherokee, that they would then in 1895 revert back to being called the Eastern Cherokee.
That premise is a complete absurdity when you consider the facts that during this time period there was a fight for federal recogition, hostilities between parties such as Ross, Ridge, Watie & the Old Settlers, and yet these same White River Cherokee people go back over 11 decades in time to take on the name of a people they seperated from that resulted in their own Nation WEST of the
Mississippi River.
Apparently these imbecils are incapable of understanding reality. The only Eastern Cherokee in the year of 1895 resided in a location hundreds of miles EAST of the Mississippi River in the state of North Carolina.
The claims set forth by the Sac River & White River Bands in Missouri are not only outrageous, they give the public a means of looking into the hearts of these wicked people that engage in these attempts to steal the identity of a people from which they do not descend.
Their hearts are so sick and black that they even go so far as to attempt to CHANGE the historical location of an entire NATION as a means to pull off their disgusting scam.
This document which is entirely false was published for the purpose of committing a genealogical fraud by the attempts of this group to claim that
Redbird Smith (a respected Keetoowah leader) supported this phony document that claimed lands in Missouri. This area of land (of course) was the general location of where this group operates from today.
No surprise there. This document that cites the respected Redbird Smith is entirely based on fraud as the Cherokee Nation at no time in the past ever made Federal Treaty claims to lands in Missouri.
This document is in direct conflict with the federal treaties on which Indian Law is based, and this false document goes so far as to claim that the Cherokee Nation in 1895 was claiming land in Missouri for several counties in the state.
These counties were, Green, Polk, Cedar, Dade & St. Clair Counties.
The Cherokee Nation, nor the White River Cherokee people never made such claims
to lands in Missouri, and it is clear from evidences supplied by the Smithsonian Institute that not only are these claims false, that during the same time period the boundries of the Arkansas Cherokee were well known and maps were made that
outlined the truth according the Federal Treaty made with our people.

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2006, 07:41:32 pm »
Pt 2
In 1884, a map was made by the Federal Government concerning the Arkansas
Cherokee lands as based upon the federal treaties made with the White River Cherokee People. These lands made it quite clear that the Cherokee Nation held no lands in Missouri a full 11 years before the false document was claimed to have been made.
Apparently the people of this group must have ignored this simple fact, and went ahead and published a complete lie as a means to alter history to make it seem as if there was Cherokee lands in Missouri that was being claimed during this
time period.
The only conclusion one can come to concerning this issue, is that this group fully intended to defraud both the unenrolled Cherokee people by deception, and also to commit Federal Treaty fraud by the utilization of false claims as a means to obtain lands illegally by deceptive and illegal fraud against the Cherokee People themselves.
This types of felonious actions is the foundations on which these groups are based.
This document claims these bands were known as the White River or Southern Band, Sac River or Stockton, and the Northern also called Green Band according to this document.
All three of these bands have no historical or political ties whatsoever to the White River Cherokee people that resided on the Arkansas Cherokee Reservation.
In fact, these people are out to decieve the public today as much as they did previously by the use of false documentation.
The Names appearing on this document were individuals whom in no way, shape or form were ever affiliated with the White River Cherokee. In fact, those whom are claimed on the document as being Cherokee were never Cherokee to begin with as you will learn later in this page.
The use of the name of Redbird Smith was used in an attempt to legitimize the claims that there were Cherokee tribes in Missouri, which as is well known is entirely based on fraud.
That type of abuse is inexcusable, and it shows the willingness of this group to deceive the public and even the Cherokee people themselves in their attempts to alter history to make it seem as if the Cherokee lived as tribes in these areas in Missouri.
I can assure you, the White River Cherokee and those responsible for leading the people as found in the federal documents never removed from Arkansas to Missouri. So in effect these false claims made by this group and its affiliated tribes are based on blatent historical fraud.
The facts remain that the Cherokee Nation never ceeded any lands to the United States that were located in Missouri. If our people had been claiming land in Missouri as these people have attempted to claim, then these lands would have been part of the argument of the sovereignty of the Western Cherokee Nation in 1846 when the fight for separate federal recognition was fought in the federal courts.
However, that is not what took place. The only lands claimed by the Old Settler Cherokees were the lands found on the above mentioned map which as anyone can plainly see was located ENTIRELY in the State of Arkansas as found in the
This group from its separation from the Northern Cherokee has engaged in fraud and continues to do so by utilizing the name of a Historical People whom never resided within the State of Missouri period.
Can't escape that simple truth folks!
The Sac River & White River Bands has also been known to cook up their famous money making scam of what is known as an Associate Membership as a means to belong to their fake Cherokee Group for those people whom have no proof whatsoever of Native Ancestry.
This Associate Membership scam begins at $25.00 for one member of the household with each additional family member paying an additional $10.00 so that they can participate and receive their group Newsletter that is filled with New Age
Rubbish called the Chickamauga Phoenix, which is no doubt in honor of the Newspaper of the Eastern Nation that was well known to be Anti-Arkansas
These New Agers should be real proud, after all they honor the name of a newspaper that sponsored propaganda based discrimination against the very people they claim to be descended from.
How many Indian people do you know that would make that kind of mistake?
Not only can you be adopted into this group by their Chief, you can pay a little cash and regardless of a lack of documentary evidence you can sign up your whole family as Cherokee Associates for just 10 bucks a head!
Quite the bargain eh? :o)
This associate membership along with all the white ancestors of people that this group has been falsely claiming as Fullblood Indians over the years, certainly leaves something to be desired for real researchers.
Just think... You don't even have to be an Indian to join this group, spread a little bread to these Wannabe White River Cherokees and you too can become one of these famous Missouri Cherokees and join in with their traditional Cherokee
Womens Sweat Lodge Ceremonies and "Smoke Off" with the best of them. :o)
One of the sad things to come out of the fraud perpetuated by this group is the people affected by this scam. Nothing proves this fact better than the numerous people whom have been misled to believe false claims concerning their own ancestors.  

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 08:03:39 pm »
Pt 3
I could not begin to tell you the sheer amount of individuals whom have requested lookup information on their "Cherokee Ancestors" whom have been certified as "Fullblood" by this group, who were never associated with, nor ever enrolled with the White River Cherokees.
We have received so many requests for lookups on the fake indians that have been certified by this group as "Fullblood" that it has become very clear that intentional fraud is taking place concerning this group.
We have receieved information from folks who have requested a lookup on so and so with roll number such and such for the White River Band for instance, who is simply not to be found in the records for the REAL White River Cherokees.
Upon explaining these genealogical facts to these good people, they then become quite angry with this group about being misled. This has often resulted in even more information that uncovers other cases of fraud concerning this group.
The facts have shown that the people whom this group in Missouri is claiming are fullblood Indians are not Indians at all, nor are they found in ANY Cherokee Records whatsoever.
After checking on several instances of this ongoing fraud, we have found each time that the people being touted as fullblood Indians by this group were white people and not Indians at all!
There is no telling just how many poor folks out there have been misled by this group whom have been issuing fake roll numbers on people whom were NEVER associated with the White River Cherokee in any way whatsoever.
Sadly...People have gone to this group looking for answers to their Cherokee lineage, and what they find out is that this group has misled them with entirely false information concerning their ancestors....
The authentic Arkansas Cherokee in contrast are very well documented! The White River Cherokees are so well documented that our people have proof of our ancestors on a federal census made in 1817.
So now that we have established that this group in Missouri is engaging in Cultural Genocide by their attempts to usurp the actual White River Cherokee by replacing our people with their white ancestors, we go on to the next segment of the page....

The Sac & White River Bands of Chickamauga are well known for holding "Cherokee Adoptions" and supporting other false groups that they call their "Sister Tribes."
What a bunch of silly rubbish. When did the Great Cherokee Nation ever refer to any tribe as a SISTER tribe eh? These people show how ignorant they truly are concerning the Cherokee Nation.
The Chickamauga Cherokee has never had any SISTER tribe, those that claim that they did are a bunch of liars. The Chickamauga were a confederacy of Nations, they were not a group of sisters cackling around the hen house.
The name Chickamauga is descended from the Creek word Chicko-Micco which simply means Town of the War Chief. That is what the name means. It does not mean village of the woman's sweat lodge.
In fact, when Chief Dragging Canoe spoke of the Delaware Tribes as "Grandfathers", it makes it very clear that the famous War Chief of the
Chickamauga in no way referred to other tribes as "Sister" which by the way is simply untraditional and a gross mockery of true Indian Heritage....
These so called "Sister Tribes" of these Missouri Groups are the same well known frauds whom publish material to the public by announcing they are holding Sweat Lodge Ceremonies and Adoption Ceremonies and etc....
People whom have spent real time among
the Indian people are going to agree that this stereotypical approach is the white man's intrepetation of what they THINK of how Indians relate to things of that nature.
The group you ask?
Sac River & White River Bands of Chickamauga of Arkansas & Missouri Inc....
I had offered to aid the Cherokee people in this group to help them document their lineage to the Cherokee tribes. I also made mention of my goals in helping to bring aid to Cherokee people such as clothing drives, food drives and other important vital needs and brought this matter to the chief
in hopes of gaining support for such an important endevour.
The Chief made it very clear to me that she was only interested in helping people of her particular group and not the Cherokee people as a whole. I found this untraditional approach to such things a disgrace and at that time realized that the leader of this group did not share the same traditional values that I have come to know among Indian People....
Had I not witnessed this personally from this group's "Chief", I probably would not have been aware of this group's folly. As it turned out, I have become aware of more than I first realized concerning this group.
It has since been brought to my attention that this group also adopts people left and right whom are non-native so that they may be a 'Sister' or 'Brother' by being adopted by one of the other members of the tribe.
Go Figure!
It also is well known that this group is an offshoot of the Northern Cherokee Nation and in fact they claim their historic tribal leaders as individuals whom were never members of the Cherokee Tribes.

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 08:11:50 pm »
Pt 4
Genealogical Frauds!
The Sac & White River Bands of Chickamauga also claim lineage to the family of Gardner Green whom has been claimed by Cherokee Groups in Missouri to be on the 1835 Henderson Roll and that this individual was over 100 years old in 1835.
Nothing could be further from the truth! The Gardner Green that these tribes all claim that was present on the 1835 Roll according to official Cherokee Nation records was a man under 30 years of age and was previously enrolled in a
Moravian Mission in the year 1819 and was listed as being around 9 years of age of that year.
This Garder Green on the 1835 Henderson Roll was enrolled under the name of his Benefactor a Mr. Gardner Green from Boston MA.
These groups in Missoui claiming this man was a Chickamauga Chief are incorrect, as a man listed at 9 years of age in 1819 could not have possibly fought along side of Dragging Canoe as these people claim, simply because Dragging Canoe died
over 6 years prior to the birth of the Gardner Green that is listed on the 1835 Henderson Roll!
It is VERY clear from the documented evidence that this ENROLLED Cherokee named Gardner Green and the one claimed by groups in Missouri are not one and the same.
The Sac & White River Bands of Chickamauga make the claim that several of their Chiefs are lineal descendants of this one and same enrolled individual, which is quite impossible as there is no possible way that a 9 year old boy enrolled in
the Cherokee Nation in 1819 could be the father and grandfather of two generations of Green Descendants whom fought in the War of 1812.
There is no possible way that the Gardner Green of the 1835 Henderson Roll could possibly have had children that fought in the war of 1812, unless you are ready to believe the notion that a two year old child could give issue to two generations of fighting men prior to his own birth.
I have heard of some weird genealogical tales, but I never heard of someone's adult children and grandchildren serving in the military before they themselves were born. If something ain't fishy with that ideal, then perhaps your smeller is faulty.
Now that is what I call gross genealogical fraud! I know of no legitimate Indian Tribe that would make that kind of mistake, that is simply absurd.
In fact, the men being claimed as historical Chiefs by the Sac River & White River Bands of Chickamauga Cherokee were American soldiers whom fought in the Kentucky Militia in the war of 1812 and did not come to live in Missouri any
earlier than 1831.
It is very clear that these men were NOT Indian Chiefs, but rather brave American Soldiers whom like many good folks were early pioneers which in itself is important to recognize these men for in their true contributions according to the truth. regards to the group in Missouri claiming to be the White River Band.
This Missouri group is a splinter group of the Northern Cherokee and was establised no earlier than 1991. This came about because of the "discovery" that the Chickamauga Indians was found in historical records as being among the
earliest Cherokee West of the Mississippi.
"It was during my research that I learned our history was intertwined with that of the Chickamauga Cherokees. From that time on, discussions began taking place concerning the possibility of adding the word Chickamauga to our name." -Pg 166
We Are Not Yet Conquered
So therefore it was determined that the Northern Cherokee Nation would assume the name "Chickamauga" within their name as a means to reflect this "Adopted" history.
After serveral instances of strife among this group, it was decided by one tribal leader of the Northern Cherokee to seperate into a splinter group and to
take on the name "White River Band."
One year later in 1992 another disgruntled Northern Cherokee adopted the name of
"Sac River Cherokee." From my understanding the Sac River Group failed, and another group was then formed that then utilized the name Sac River & White River Bands of the Chickamauga Cherokee.
As of today there are the following groups are in existance:
Northern Cherokee
White River Band of the Northern Cherokee
Sac and White River Band of the Chickamauga Cherokee of Mo and Ark
Northern Cherokee of Old Louisiana Territory
As you can see from this basic rundown, none of these groups are descended from the historical White River Cherokees. These groups do not represent the Historical White River Cherokee people in any shape or form.


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Re: Sac River and White River Band
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2006, 06:59:10 am »
The Amonsoquath has a history, were raided by the ATF in 2001. Scott Anderson (BlueOtter) had ties to them. Claimed to be federally recognized. Were run by a Chief Walking Bear and I think he was a convicted felon. I think they are now in Mammoth Springs Mo. There was around 2002 suppose to be a big merger with the Western Cherokee of Arkansas and Missouri. Then they splintered after a big mess and accusations of wrong doing. They are neither a soverign Nation nor recognized, except in their own mind. I do not think Missouri like Arkansas has any Federal or State recognized tribes. frederica

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2006, 05:03:47 pm »
Here's "Chief Walking Bear" as part of the Southeastern Cherokee Council Inc. (SECCI) The list of business is a little amusing. No one is called Bill or Tom or Mary apparently, just chief long animal name this or that. They do mention their "Black Wolf Warrior Society" which I think once had a distinctly militia movement description to its purpose. They also have members as young as 10 years old.

The ministry he's part of.

The "Cherokee spirituality" they practice, based mostly on Garrett, and on claiming the Cherokee are "Algonquian."

There's also several PODIA artists who have been in naming ceremonies done by WB.

A discussion of WB's ancestors shows up on a Melungeon Saponi geneology board. Don't know of WB is himself.

Most interesting thing was a letter about problems between the Amonsoquath and the WCN, written by John "Red Hat" who Anderson claims is an elder of his phony version of Keetowahs.
---If you are not a member of the WCNAM and belong to another Tribe, Band or Nation and received a letter in the mail wanting information PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING PAGE
Elder Duke pointed out to me that my posting could be looked at as an attack on the Asmonoquath. That was never my intention and as a way of showing this I have removed the court letter. I apologize if anyone from the Asmonoquath feels as though my intention was against them.
My WAR is not with the Asmonoquath but with Lola et al; Bellow is a letter from our Elder, John"Red Hat"
John "Young Buffalo"
---Osiyo Brothers and Sisters,
I saw the posting on our board concerning Martin "Walking Bear" Wilson and the Amonsoquath Cherokee Nation.
Some time ago, I spoke with and had a long phone conversation with "Walking Bear" and he and I expressed our friendship and honor to each other. We agreed that we would have coffee and smoke tobacco together in the traditional way. We are in a state of honor and peace with the Asmonoquath.Chief Walking Bear assured me that he was not at WAR with us regardless of our relationship with Lola Scholl. I assured him that we were not at war with him either. He stated that Lola was only one chief in a council of equal chiefs of which he is a full member. The affairs of the Asmonoquathy should be settled by the Asmonoquath. Until Chief Walking Bear changes his position to me, we are at PEACE with Asmonoquath. They are our brothers.
All members of the WCN, please desist in any derogatory activities against Asmonoquath with whom we have a very good relationship. Let Asmonoquath settle their own problems in the traditional way. Please, remove all material concerning Asmonoquath from our web sites and email posts. Our honor as warriors depends on this.
Chief Walking Bear, please forgive the WCN for what might appear to be an attack on you. In war, warriors sometimes strike hard. Even though Asmonoquath has signed an accord with Lola Scholl, they have never participated in any act of WAR against us. The fault is mine, because I kept this information confidential for your sake.
Honor to our Asmonoquath brothers.
John "Red Hat"

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2006, 05:25:27 pm »
In case anyone is just thinking of them as silly or misguided, here's their version of the ATF raid, which they claim was "war crimes" and "part of genocide." They certainly make it harder for people to take TRUE cases of genocide seriously. And like many frauds, they are in turn being preyed upon by other frauds. You reap what you sow.;read=6679
Posted By: Esclarmonde
Date: Thursday, 1 February 2001, 10:50 a.m.
To the President of the United States, all US Representatives and Senators, all Media Contacts, Secretary General of the United Nations, and the President of the General Assembly of the United Nations and all Native Indigenous People's we send greetings and blessings...
The AMONSOQUATH TRIBE OF CHEROKEE, INC. hereby informs the State of Missouri and Federal
Government of The United States of America of their limits on jurisdiction, especially since Tribal lands have never been extinguished. The United States Attorney General is asked for a Federal
Legal opinion regarding the status of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee.
For International Hate Crimes and violations of Human Rights, the status of "Refugee" for all
members of The Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee is requested from the United Nations High
Commissioner on Refugees.
The Constitution of the Sovereign Amonsoquath Nation at subscribes to the DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS (Adopted 10 December 1948, United Nations,
General Assembly)
HELP US HOLD THE UNITED NATIONS UP TO ITS RESPONSIBILITIES TOWARDS INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS! Please send comments to the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees at and to Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights at
Please send comments to President George W. Bush at
Expert Legal Assistance is requested to come forward. Queries on procedures for contributing to Chief Walking Bear's Legal Fund and/or to the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee Inc. Legal Fund (Tax Deductible) please contact the Tribal Secretary
Look for updates on this situation at or

----- Original Message -----
To: UN High Commissioner on Refugees - Legal Assistance <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:01 AM
Subject: EMERGENCY REQUEST FOR ASSISTANCE to the United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees.
For International Hate Crimes and violations of Human Rights commited against us, the status of "Refugee" for all members of The
Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee is requested from the United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees.
"WE'RE THE GUN POLICE, AND WE ARE TAKIN' YOUR GUNS" said agent Brian Hoffman of the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) Division of the US Dept. of the Treasury , at 2:15 PM Wednesday, January 24; to Darrell Williams (more on that incident later in the release), a member of the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee. Williams, a veteran of 10 years service in the US Army, now 100% disabled, had been visiting the tribal property overnight, and was there when the ATF came to illegally confiscate the firearms, and ammunition of the Chief's wife and son, and used "residency and occupancy records" mentioned in the warrant as an excuse to seize the deed to not only his own 35 acre property, but
to the adjoining 35 acres owned by the Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee, Inc., a State of Missouri non profit corporation. Chief Martin Gilmore
Wilson, Jr., known in the Native American Indian world as U-ku Yo-nah A-yee AKA "Chief Walking Bear." Chief Martin "Walking Bear" Wilson is the cousin of Chief "Oliver Red" Cloud Wilson of the Lakota Traditional Oyate.
What the US Government committed during the raid and the subsequent search are indeed hate crimes in that there was a total desecration of
American Indian Religious Articles. This activity is a violation of the American Indian religious Freedom Act, and can only be described as a "Hate Crime." If the articles were of Christian content they would not have been desecrated. There were no weapons in the medicine bundle nor in the pipe or feathers. Chief Walking Bear is a member and minister of a Native American Church, and is a "Pipe Carrier," which is a holy man of our Tribe.
Legality of the raid is arguable because the federal government of the United States of America does not have jurisdiction over Martin Gilmore Wilson, and only presumes such. Chief Walking Bear is NOT a citizen of the United States, as an unresolved state of war exists between the US Government and the Sovereign Amonsoquath Tribe of Cherokee. The 1924 Indian Citizenship Act does not cover Indians with whom the US is still at war with, or with which an unresolved state of war existing. Because of their non-citizen status, Walking Bear, his brother Red Horse, and their Mother Shining Bear spent most of WW2 interned in a prisoner of War camp near Springfield, Missouri while their father, a descendant of the famed Dakota Chief Red Cloud, was forced to fight his way across Europe.

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2006, 05:29:06 pm »
Pt 2
The warrant was also illegal because it was served on a minor child, Chief Walking Bear's 15 year old son Thomas Leon Wilson.
Timing of the warrant was also interesting... 5 days after President William Clinton left office, and while Senator John Ashcroft's confirmation as Attorney General is being held up in the Senate. Senator Ashcroft has publicly defended Chief Walking Bear's Indian Citizenship in public and was the Senator in the area in which Chief Walking Bear resides.
While there may or may not have been a valid warrant for the firearms, there appears to be an illegal corruption of blood activity here. Such is that the crimes of the father are passed to the spouse and children. This is in direct conflict with the Constitution for the United States and the
Constitution of the State of Missouri. While Chief was convicted of a Felony (if the Court had jurisdiction, which was certainly arguable) and
because did complete his "Dues to Society" by 1993, he was eligible for reinstatement of his rights but because the Parole Board promised in writing to supply him with a form only they could supply, they are to blame for Chief's loss of those civil rights... and for failure to request such prior to 1999.
Representatives and Senators please take note of this unconscionable situation that was created by the United States Congress.
The problem is that of restoring the civil right to bear arms. At the present time, Chief Walking Bear can [never] regain his civil right to bear arms
within the jurisdiction of the United States or State of Missouri because of the NICS index. His natural right to bear arms, as set down by the Founding Father's has been violated and is intact. Inclusion in the NICS criminal database is a permanent unrevokable status that cannot even be overturned by court activity or Presidential Pardon. Because of this, the corruption of blood is the issue we focus on, and the Human Rights and Hate Crimes that were committed.
Chief Walking Bear's wife is a Veteran (disabled and Vetaran's Administration compensated). To deny her and her children of possession of a
firearm is an activity of corruption of blood. If the firearms were registered to her or any eligible children, and the the possession of them is held
by the Wife and Children, not the Chief. If the firearms were not registered, then they still belong to the Wife and Children, not the Chief. The burden is upon the US Government to prove that the firearms were in the possession of the Chief as his firearms. Else, it becomes an issue of corruption of blood.
Chief Walking Bear was not charged for a crime, so why the seizure? Perhaps they wanted the deed to the Tribal Property, because it was indeed stolen - taken without authority -- by the federal "agents sent forth to harass" Chief Walking Bear....
The warrant clearly stated that the focus of the search was for firearms. There was no mention in the warrant for the seizure of either tax records
or Land Deeds, only "documents relating to the residency and occupancy." U.S. Mail would have proved it was Walking Bear's residence. The
BATF secured the warrant, their limits on jurisdiction is that of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, not TAXES or LAND DEEDS. The seizure of these documents clearly demonstrates an unreasonable (illegal) search and seizure. This was done under the color of Law which is in itself a criminal activity. This also suggests that it was a Hate Crime in that it was utilized to intimidate an identifiable and [KNOWN] ethnic minority.
Further, the activity of exposing the children to potential harm by depriving them of coats or blankets and placing them outside in the cold is an
act of child endangerment which further supports the Hate Crimes issue.
It becomes obvious that the tax records and Land Deeds did not either constitute a weapon or firearm. The seizure of these documents is also to
be considered as a Hate Crime as the activity was used to intimidate an "ethnic minority." The desecration of the medicine bundle and other
religious regalia is in clear violation of the separation of Church and State and is to be considered a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution and a Hate Crime. The sacred pipe is a religious artifact which is known historically to be such and any desecration of the Pipe is based upon a disregard for the sacred of other's religion. This is a Hate Crime.

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2006, 05:36:17 pm »
Pt 3
As the Chief is of a Tribe which is known in the area as existing as a Separate Sovereign, and a land base is listed in the official county records as
belonging to the Tribe, AMONSOQUATH. The activities of entry into the Tribal lands without presenting a separate warrant to the Tribal
Council further constitutes a Hate Crime in that it discounts and negates the legitimacy of the Tribe and the rights of the people of the tribe. In a
public meeting in Rolla, Missouri, Senator John Ashcroft has identified the AMONSOQUATH as being an Indian Tribe, and a separate sovereign. Since it is known at the US Senatorial level that the Tribe exists as a separate Sovereign, it becomes further clear that the activities of the BATF were such as to intimidate not only the AMONSOQUATH Tribe, but other non federal tribes into fearing that their lands and possessions could be taken without either due process or without the protections of the Constitution. This constitutes a Hate Crime equal in stature to the activities of genocide and internment inflicted upon the Jews by the Nazis. While no deaths have been attributed to the BATF
actions, there is a consorted and systematic intent to commit Cultural Genocide....
The activities of the BATF as Hate Crimes, Human Right Violations, Civil and Constitutional rights violations, and an attempt to commit an act of
Cultural Genocide. The BATF must return the tax and land documents as they were clearly not listed as items to be seized, and were not in any manner, shape or form resembling a firearm. I suggest that the BATF participants be charged individually and severally with child endangerment for forcing the children (aged 2 years to 14 years) into the cold without benefit of either blankets or coats. This is clearly an act of child abuse and endangerment....
Chief Walking Bear is certainly guilty... and has always been guilty of helping anyone who came to him for help. Just ask anybody who knows
him. When he lived in Southwest Missouri, the Missouri Division of Family Services (DFS) was always ready to send people to his junkyard for
things families may have needed after a house fire (to save money from the state's budget?), but were quick to condemn him for his lifestyle
because he lived in a junkyard, which was a business he operated. One DFS report stated the "Mr. Wilson's house is is nothing more than a
hovel in the middle of a junkyard. That "hovel" was a 2000 square foot home he built for himself, and it seemed to DFS his only sin was not plumbing heat to the warmest room in the house before the children insisted in sleeping in it that first night. It was newly-completed 4th bedroom that his children had only slept in for only one night because it was the warmest room in the house and the children were comfortable in sleeping in it. DFS showed up the next day to harass Chief Wilson and his wife Billie, on the pretext they had received a "tip," perhaps from someone he had tried to help when they were down and out. And so it is in Missouri for generous Indians....
The Amonsoquath obtained a Spanish Land Grant in 1793, and our lands served as a buffer between the Spanish garrison at Ponce De Leon (still
on the maps south of Springfield, Missouri) and the French military garrison in Saint Louis. One of the Missouri law-enforcement officers sent to
observe the federal raid commented to Walking Bear that he remembered Attorney General Nixon's statement, but that "the tribe did indeed have
a deed to 35 acres..." UNTIL THE A.T.F. SEIZED THE DEED TO THE 35 ACRE TRIBAL PROPERTY ILLEGALLY! That acreage has over 300
burials on it, many with pictographs. The officer asked to see and saw many of the graves, and did say, "Those are graves!" Another officer,
perhaps in a position to know who signed the affidavits against Walking Bear, stated that the raid was "not about guns," but that it was "About
your beliefs." The Amonsoquath do not understand this, for they have been worshipping a deity named "Ya-ho-we" for 6012 years. "Ya-ho-we"
is too close to "Ya-ho-vah" or "Jehovah" to be any other deity than the Creator that Christians worship also....

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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2006, 05:40:19 pm »
Pt 4 (jeez, these people never shut up)
A mistake was discovered in the case of Darrell Williams, and his guns were returned by the ATF with apologies, after the illegal seizure, which is
just like apologizing to another motorist after he collides with your car, and is clearly at fault. Williams had voluntarily told the Highway Patrol of
the presence of legally registered weapons in car, and when the cops checked him out, a radio dispatcher had misinterpreted a computer printout,
and an old misdemeanor was reported over the radio as a felony, which Williams had supposedly committed while sitting in the back of a parked
car which -- unbeknownst to him -- was a stolen car, the day he turned 18, about 35 years ago.
The ATF had arrived at 12:01 PM Wednesday, January 24, with a phalanx of about 20 Missouri Conservation Police, Missouri Water Patrol,
Missouri Highway Patrol, and Carter County Sheriff Greg Melton and several of his deputies including a Belgian Shepherd Canine Officer. Many of the Highway patrol officers had been to the tribe's sovereign domain in Eastwood, near Van Buren, Missouri before, in the wake of the attempted takeover of the tribal government about 12-18 months ago. After the tribe negotiated a contact which would have made the tribe self-sufficient in the bulk water business, the vice-chief (an appointed revocable position) Cathy "Shadow Walker" Jones, and her live-in companion Leonard Heith apparently saw an opportunity to line their pockets with the up-to 2 million dollars a year that the tribe would have accrued in the business venture, instead of what the money was intended for, to provide financial security for the tribe. 20% of the money was to be for the Chief's family, because it was on his land, and 80% was to be donated for job development, housing, business ventures, and development of local infrastructure in Eastwood, including water mains and a fire truck, which the community lacks.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 05:43:22 pm »
Pt 5
Leonard Heith, who lives with Cathy Jones, 2.5 miles northwest of Thayer, Missouri, is a Yankton Indian from Marty, SD, with an outstanding
federal warrant that the FBI refuses to serve in spite of their knowing his whereabouts for over a year and one-half. Sheriff Ray Westerhoff of
Lake Andies County, S.D. confirmed theoutstanding federal warrant in late 1999, but Special Agent Matt Miller of the FBI refused to return telephone calls concerning Heith, who is staill at large.
Cathy Jones is a red-headed white woman who claims to be Cherokee, but was found to have falsified genealogical documents to gain entry in
the tribe. Jones was expelled from the tribe on the wake of the takeover attempt last year. It has since been discovered that Jones had committed
similar acts in 5 different Indian Councils in the midwest in the last few years and continues to do so all over Missouri and Arkansas. Walking Bear, an ordained minister, asks "Who has tried to stir the local community into a veritable frenzy against the chief and his family with the aid of Monty Balthrope and two other expelled members? This has been ongoing since 1999. There have been threats made against the chief and his family from this same group of people. The tribe was advised through unnamed sources that the hopes of these people were to turn the raid into another Wounded Knee incident. We as the first people are still being denied our rights to worship our God, the Creator of all things, and to teach our children the ways of our culture. The local area churches still condemn us for our beliefs in the one and only Creator. "
Separate men's and women's "O'si" or purification ceremonies were conducted the saturday following the raid, and the Chief made it clear that he had no mailice towards anyone, and requested prayers for all concerned including those who wronged us, but also said he did not intend to be forced from his ancestral home for any reason. During the height of the tribal council takeover attempt in late 1999 and early 2000, a heavily armed faction led by Cathy Jones attended a December 1999 tribal council meeting at the tribe's property (an outdoor church) in violation of Missouri laws forbidding carrying of guns into a church or to a public meeting. Local law enforcement officials, including one man who made a recent bid for County Sheriff, had been spouting all over Carter County, Missouri for over a year that the tribal property was to be raided.
Turns out the rumors about the property were generated not by Chief Walking Bear's presence, but by that of Monty Balthrope, the former owner, and a well known white supremacist, who always wore a 45 automatic pistol in public, and who was recently convicted of making terroristic threats.
It was clear to the tribe that any excuse would do to shoot somebody. The ATF Wanted to know if the Tribal office was unlocked, and Walking Bear's wife said she would furnish the key. The ATF hustled over to the office, and when Chief's son ran over to the office with the key, he has nearly shot by paranoid ATF officers, and was saved by a shout from another direction by his father, which diffused the situation. Scott Anderson was sick in bed, and his wife Betty was told by an out-of-control ATF officer to "Get him out of there, or we will have to shoot him if he comes out and surprises us," as if surprise was an excuse to use deadly force. Clearly, the ATF was there to intimidate. Anderson, who had been recovering from chills, fever, and diahrrea, was forced to sit outside in the wind, but was allowed his jacket. In spite of that he shivered
uncontrollably for quite a while until his legal residence was searched illegally. After two hours of searching and at the insistence of the County
Sheriff Greg Melton, the scantily clad children were allowed to take refuge in the Anderson's home. A DFS supervisor took that opportunity, and
commented "I see you have toilet paper in the house" as if most people in the world don't, when she was fishing for information on the Anderson's living arrangements.
Chief Walking Bear is the 60 year-old Werowance, or Chief and a successor to Powhatan, father of Metoaka or Pocahontas. He was elected as Chief for life by the body politic of the tribe in 1994, deposable only by an act of the Tripartite Tribal Council, and only for criminal acts against his own people. Ever since Walking Bear began asserting the tribe's land claims to 2/5ths of Missouri and 1/5th of Arkansas from a 1793 Spanish Land grant enforceable by the Treaty of the Louisiana purchase of 1803, and to much of Virginia and Washington, DC, he and his family has been constantly harassed by local, state, and federal law enforcement officers. Chief Walking Bear, who had been a police officer in Nixa, Missouri, had made the mistake of telling the local county sheriff of a large impending drug deal, which unbeknownst to him involved County officials later convicted of drug dealing. These same officials, though convicted as drug dealers with convictions being appealed, still hold their positions because they could afford their own lawyers.

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2006, 05:45:46 pm »
Pt 6
Ex post facto" (after the fact) laws, are clearly forbidden under the US Constitution. Chief Wilson requests that legal counsel come forward, and
request a legal fund be set up for him to help fight all of the continuing attacks against him and his Tribe. Walking Bear and his wife and four children live on about $800 dollars a month.
CHILD ABUSE: First act of the Federal Government
Just like in the case of Elian Gonzales, the first act of the ATF was child abuse against Chief Walking Bear's minor children, ages 2, 5, and 15, who were not allowed to have their coats as they were hustled out of their home into the care of one of the women of the tribe, and were made to stand outside on a cold windy day for over two hours as a cursory search was conducted of the property. The real here hero was Carter County Sheriff Greg Melton, who had to insist that ATF agents allow Chief's 2 year-old daughter be allowed to wear shoes on her bare feet, and his 5 year old son be allowed his own jacket, and his 15 year old son, home sick from school, be allowed to take refuge in another home on the property.
Even though all persons were accounted for on the property, machine guns were brandished by ATF agents. A door was kicked in on the tribe's mobile home office, even though Chief Walking Bear's wife said the key would be furnished. It was indeed a sight to see ATF agents exhibiting "manhood issues" as they broke into an unoccupied building shouting "POLICE! The "Agents" should be disciplined for turning their weapons on a 15 year old boy as dozens of other armed police looked on -- a boy already determined to be unarmed -- as he ran to give them the key to a building that, unknown to the boy, they had already kicked down the door of. Even though the Federal Magistrate ordered that all buildings and outbuildings were to be searched, only Chief Walking Bear 's home and a few other large buildings were searched thoroughly. The ATF got what they came for and a lot more... they illegally seized the property of his wife, and his eldest son, who was able to own a firearm under state law because he had a hunters' safety certification card. Chief Walking Bear 's wife also noticed diamond jewelry missing from her jewelry box.
Chief Walking Bear's sacred pipe and other sacred items were desecrated and tossed on the floor, and the entire house was trashed. Even a bubble pack of 3 toothbrushes, contents clearly visible, was torn open and thrown all over the room. After the house was trashed, Missouri Division of Family Services was called in, and the 4 children were seized, as they declared the house unsafe because of the mess, but according to the warrant, the ATF has custody of the minor children for the 24 hour period that the warrant was to be served, between 6 am and 10 pm, and the ATF were clearly guilty of child abuse in the situation.
Missouri Division of Family Services has also been harassing the tribe since an anonymous tip was called in early last year suggesting that acts of sexual abuse were being committed by tribal members against the Chief's seven year old daughter, an allegation later refuted by a doctor's
examination. Persons in the community friendly to the tribe have stated they have heard DFS officials prejudice themselves, in an unprofessional
manner, against Native Americans. Real abuse of authority is being committed by DFS officials, who have unwisely let their disdain for Native
Americans be known to witnesses willing to testify in court, opening themselves to lawsuits under the Native American Religious Freedom Act
of 1990. ATF and the United States of America are now open to lawsuits under the Native American Religious Freedom Act of 1990. and clearly
prosecutable for human rights violations and hate crimes under United Nations Law.
Contact the Amonsoquath Tribal Secretary at"