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Re: Earnie Frost and Cherokee Red Fire
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2017, 02:16:42 pm »
Earnie Lee Frost's 1991 thesis Dereliction of Duty: The Selling of the Cherokee Nation http://arizona.openrepository.com/arizona/bitstream/10150/291757/1/azu_td_1346733_sip1_m.pdf

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Re: Earnie Frost and Cherokee Red Fire
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2017, 03:19:47 pm »
This sure sounds like a personality cult in the making. Earnie Frost positions himself as the man with the exclusive knowledge that he passes on to followers. He panders to his Nuage followers and wants to build residential towns with them.

From 2010 village meeting minutes:

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Dream from the future as our descendents “the Dragon Kings” are sending info back from the future. We are creating them in a much higher dimension with our actions now and they are trying to enhance and ensure their evolution as a species and so are coming back into critical timelines. We will get informational dreams, some metaphoric and others actual in classrooms if we open to it.
In this dream there were three triangles of the New Cherokee town. One was White Flame Town with council and chief. One was Red Fire Priest and holy site. One was the shamanic Circle which was the science technology spiritual joining or scientific shaman. Each had their own “job.”
Inside all of this was the various societies. There was a Female White Alpha world society that taught girls and women the Zen of archery or the spiritual side. It also included some martial arts and self defense. Another was the Cooking Society and they were the ones who learned and taught how to prepare whatever food the village had acquired . Another was the Light Horse Society. There was a herding society composed mostly of younglings with a few skilled olders Still another was the Healing Society

From his thesis:

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The objective of this work has been to understand the nature of the forces that have devastated the Nation. One of the principal factors is the loss of ceremony. Small fragments yet remain and are practiced by a few Cherokee. But the ceremonial fires that exist today at the stomp-grounds are weak because they are not whole. The resurrection of Cherokee religion attempted by Redbird Smith and his followers is not yet finished. Only the white half of the fire has been partially restored. To complete the work, the red half must be revived. Modern Cherokee, fearing the darkness that is incorporated in the red side, have laid the blame for the dissolution of the Nation on war itself. War is not the enemy; it did not cause the loss of sovereignty. The war medicine released among the people may have resulted in grievous harm, but to simply ignore its presence cannot rectify the effects. To end the chaos it is imperative that he fire be reunited, and the war medicine be lifted.

Followers bring their dreams to him, he decides how to interpret and make use of them. He presents himself as the man with special knowledge. He himself so special that his Nuage fires are stronger than ceremonial fires at stomp-grounds today. Which means his followers more and more believe him over anyone else.

Building intentional communities with Earnie Frost as a leader does not appear to be a safe pursuit.



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Re: Earnie Frost and Cherokee Red Fire
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2017, 05:11:05 pm »
It seems like this wingnut has watched too many Game of Thrones. Lol.




Dream from the future as our descendents “the Dragon Kings” are sending info back from the future. We are creating them in a much higher dimension with our actions now and they are trying to enhance and ensure their evolution as a species and so are coming back into critical timelines. We will get informational dreams, some metaphoric and others actual in classrooms if we open to it.
In this dream there were three triangles of the New Cherokee town. One was White Flame Town with council and chief. One was Red Fire Priest and holy site. One was the shamanic Circle which was the science technology spiritual joining or scientific shaman. Each had their own “job.”
Inside all of this was the various societies. There was a Female White Alpha world society that taught girls and women the Zen of archery or the spiritual side. It also included some martial arts and self defense. Another was the Cooking Society and they were the ones who learned and taught how to prepare whatever food the village had acquired . Another was the Light Horse Society. There was a herding society composed mostly of younglings with a few skilled olders Still another was the Healing Society.

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Re: Earnie Frost and Cherokee Red Fire
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2017, 10:45:53 pm »
It seems like this wingnut has watched too many Game of Thrones. Lol.

Source of quote below your comment: http://cherokeeredfire.com/VillageMeeting%203-27-15.rtf

I wondered about this "dream theory" of theirs; found nothing more about it on their site, though.