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To: Fort Peck Tribal Council Members Monday July 6,2015
Fr: Concerned Tribal Members Presented at Education Committee
Re: Banishment of Nathan Chasing Horse

A community meeting was held by Enrolled members of Fort Peck Tribes, your constituents who have a serious safety concern to address a problem with Nathan Chasing Horse and his following that has excluded and intimidated some of our Fort Peck Elders and community members from attending a Sundance in Chelsea for the last couple of years. This issue has come up in the Tribal Chambers in the past.

The community meeting was held on Thursday, July 2015 in Poplar by concerned Fort Peck Tribal Members to discuss banishment for his numerous accounts of Spiritual misuse and behavioral misconduct. He and his followers are a threat and danger to our tribal members and tribal communities.

For the past 15 years, he has been visiting our reservation and conducting ceremonies. He verbalizes he has respect for all women and children, yet his personal behavior does not correlate with his supposedly Spiritual actions. The Sundancers that come to participate at Chelsea are 80 to 90% out of state. We do not know what they are bringing onto our reservation.

There are documented cases in the US and Canada of his behavioral conduct, and by two accounts he has pursued minor girls from Fort Peck with his intentions to groom these minors which is a behavior pattern of a perpetrator. He was investigated by Criminal Investigator (CI) Trottier. A minimum of two Fort Peck families where the girls were minors, at that time they were under 18 years of age and were affected and traumatized by him.

Throughout Indian Country his reputation includes allegations of drug trafficking, physical abuse, sexual abuse, spiritual abuse, coercion and fraud. His group was asked to leave and not return in Pinion, Arizona where they conducted a Sundance for several years. His negative reputation and behavior precedes him.

His controlling and "cult like" tactics keep many in fear from leaving the "circle", or "family". We have a few individuals who we would encourage to share their personal stories on how they were affected, if they choose to. He continues to Spiritually Abuse those who refuse to follow his commands, with intimidation and threats to the individual and scare tactics of death.

There are standing allegations that drugs are being brought onto our reservation by his "circle" and possibly some of our own community members involved with him. Along with the drugs there are also weapons that were witnessed by some of our community members on the Chelsea Sundance grounds in the previous years.

This person is a dangerous threat to our reservation and community members. Please take into serious consideration the Fort Peck Comprehensive Code of Justice (CCOJ) Code Grounds for Exclusion: "Any person may be excluded from the Reservation for: (a) Conduct which substantially threatens the life, the physical health or the safety of an Indian or Indians residing on the reservation."

This misconduct is enough to execute grounds to exclusion/banishment from our reservation boundaries in protection of our Women, Children and Land. Thank you, Concerned Tribal Members

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The banishment of Chasing Horse is finalized and official!  His legal team has threatened action. However the Fort Peck tribes have maintained sovereignty and cannot be sued in either federal or state courts. Also,  the council is exempt from tribal court in matters of tribal culture, spiritual abuse cases or public safety inside our borders. This action will hopefully spread to other rezzes where this lunatic operates.

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From the Fort Peck Journal at Assiniboine & Sioux Tribes of the Fort Peck Indian Reservation

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Tribal leaders finalize banishment of Nathan Chasing Horse, a safety threat


By Louis Montclair
For The Journal


Fort Peck tribal leaders voted 7 to 0, with two abstentions, to pass the education committee’s motion to ban actor and Lakota “spiritual leader” Nathan Chasing Horse from the Fort Peck Reservation.

The motion, which alleges human trafficking, drug dealing spiritual abuse and intimidation of tribal members, will stop Chasing Horse from coming onto the reservation and holding a Sundance and ceremonies.

The majority vote was met with disapproval and outbursts from a group of about 10 followers of Chasing Horse, aka Nathan Lee Chasing His Horse and Nathan Chasing His Horses.

Chasing Horse is perhaps best known for his role as “Smiles A Lot” in the movie Dances With Wolves but is also known as a medicine man who performs ceremonies in the USA and Canada. He was planning on holding a Sun Dance in Chelsea this month but has moved it to Wyoming, instead.

Councilwoman Roxanne Gourneau said the council, in executive session, previously discussed Chasing Horse with police and prosecutors the past several years. Although they couldn’t discuss publically what was shared in those closed session meetings, it was clear that many authorities and people perceive Chasing Horse as a threat to tribal members, she said.

At last week’s education meeting, supporters of the banishment said there is at least one open investigation of Chasing Horse alleging he committed sexual abuse against one of his young female followers in South Dakota two years ago. But no charges have been filed. Other investigations are also underway, the banishment supporters alleged in the July 6 meeting.

“The federal government fell asleep on this but I’m not,” Gourneau said before the vote. “Will I protect our people from that? In a heartbeat,” Gourneau said.

The final vote was seven council members for banishment: Gourneau, Pearl Hopkins, Garrett Big Leggins, Grant Stafne, Terry Rattling Thunder, Dana Buckles and Charles Headdress. Two TEB members abstained from voting: Marva Firemoon and Rick Kirn (Tom Christian, Ed Bauer and Stacey Summers were absent).

After the vote was taken and the audience was leaving the chambers, Chasing Horse supporter Dakota Christian muttered to some of the supporters of the banishment, “All of you will regret this and you will be sorry.” Another supporter said the council was “taking away their prayers.”

Chasing Horse could not be reached for comment. But an attorney representing the actor has threatened the tribal council with a possible lawsuit.

Last week, the Tribal Executive Board’s Education Committee voted in favor of excluding Chasing Horse from the reservation after a group of tribal members packed the Council Chambers to voice concern over Chasing Horse returning to Fort Peck and holding a Sun Dance with his followers in Chelsea.

Worries were mainly safety-related and tribal members told of previous experiences with Chasing Horse, including incidents of alleged sexual abuse, human trafficking, threats to tribal members, intimidation, guns being used to keep tribal members out of ceremonies, and disrespecting the land on and around where the Sundance was previously held in Chelsea.

With the final vote at Monday’s special board meeting, the banishment is now in effect and Chasing Horse could be arrested if he comes onto the reservation.

The vote did not come without resistance and Chairman A.T. Stafne was forced to hammer down the gavel several times to stop outbursts and interruptions by Chasing Horse’s followers.

Before the board voted, Councilwoman Firemoon asked Chairman AT Stafne to recognize the supporters. Chairman Stafne said he would only recognize one because it was a meeting of elected officials and the supporters had never come into a committee to voice their opinions.

The group elected to have Fort Kipp elder Jackie Perry speak on their behalf.

Perry said she has known Chasing Horse for 15 years and during that time there was nothing but love shown from him toward her family. He taught them to pray and love and he never charged for ceremonies, she said. Perry said she didn’t know who was saying these things about him but they weren’t true and Chasing Horse would never hurt anyone. The grandfather spirits come down in ceremonies and talk through Chasing Horse, and their message is that the ones who don’t believe or criticize Chasing Horse are the ones that need prayer. She went on to compare Chasing Horse to Jesus Christ, saying he was also preaching love and unity and was crucified for his beliefs. “Nathan is a big boy and will handle it in which every way he does,” Perry told the tribal council.

Lilda Christian, another supporter of Chasing Horse, said they were forced to seek out the actor because there are no legitimate medicine men around the reservation and the local ones have served time in prison for sex crimes. Even with the council voting to exile Chasing Horse, it is okay because if this is the attitude of the leadership and of people here, then Christian said she wouldn’t want Chasing Horse to come around anyway.

Georgia DeMarrias said the council was violating the followers’ religious freedom rights by banishing Chasing Horse.

Councilman Kirn spoke up against the banishment vote, saying this needed to be done before the courts so formal charges could be filed. If it was determined something was done illegally then he should be put in jail. By doing banishment orders at the council level, the legislative body of the Tribes are taking on the responsibilities of the courts, he said. The council should not be a court, and he asked if there is a legitimate concern then why were the police never called? Gourneau said Kirn was wrong about how he views the powers of the Tribal Council. This situation is not about judicial examination, it is about protecting people from a threat, she told him.

The TEB has a reserve power to protect the people, and even though she never met Chasing Horse she said there is a big difference from religious freedom and what is being done by him on the Fort Peck Reservation. Everyone has the right to worship how they want and the TEB is not trying to take that away from anyone, she said. What the council is doing is protecting people from a public threat, Gourneau said. Tribal leaders are politicians and their lives are expected to have some kind of scandal, but not when it comes to spiritual leaders, Gourneau said. Spiritual leaders should have no scandal surrounding their lives, and they shouldn’t be holding guns at people who want to attend a Sun Dance on their own reservation, she added.

Legal threat?


Tribal leaders stated they received something that could be viewed as intimidating threat from an attorney in Washington DC.
On Friday, all TEB members received an email from an attorney representing Chasing Horse regarding the voting action taken at the education committee level Monday, July 6.

The email was strongly worded and went as far as asking who voted for this and why did they do it and what was said. It threatened a lawsuit for the banishment action taken.

Under federal law, the Tribes have sovereign immunity, meaning they cannot be sued in federal court without their consent. In state court, there is no jurisdiction over tribal government actions. Tribal Court also has no authority over the TEB, as the council never waived sovereign immunity and cannot be sued in their own court.



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Offline AClockworkWhite

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His cat is definitely out of the bag and walking around getting rocks thrown at it. I have no sympathy for whatever he goes through over all his transgressions against his own and the communities of other tribes. I PRAY that other tribes follow suit on him and other fakes and exploiters. People like him make people's issues with hobbyists look like child's play. The frauds like he and the multitudinous others listed on this site, they are the ones making all Natives look bad. They are the ones harming our people with their bad medicines and false spirituality. The balance they disturb ALWAYS rights itself and the people around him will be the ones to suffer. The families who willingly gave their underage daughters to him... the shame will be eternal.
I came here for the popcorn and stayed for the slaying of pretenders.

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A first-hand account from a very courageous young woman from Tsuu T'ina First Nation, Treaty 7 Territory, near Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

http://en.20lines.com/read/327106/unfortinate-experience

Unfortunate experience
 
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Hello my name is Alanna Onespot, my friends call me Alanna Bluebird or Mzbluebird. I am a young woman of the Tsuutina Nation And Siksika Nation. I used to walk with the Chasinghorse family from 2010 to 2014. A spiritual circle with a spiritual leader named Nathan Chasinghorse. From where I'm standing as a former believer or follower. Its not what i "SEE" its what i know! And as i start understand that the assimilation Nathan Chasinghorse has over
my sister Melissa Onespot causes her to incriminate people, like myself, who he hurt in all aspects. Which no one can tell me that i deserved what happened to me with this man. The sneaky and tricky words he has the people using is something he once asked me to use against others(young girls), so I've been there i know what its like to stick up for this man because you believe, honour and respect this man for all that he has done for you and for the Oyate (People). This is why the believers or followers have this zealous unquestioning commitment for this man. Now that I've changed i understand that is getting carried away with the sacred ways of our ancestors. People who say they are here to give the world love and light should not have to try so hard to prove that they are not lying or guilty or have others do so. I know this because i am working on that for myself. So to say i did not ask anyone to help me share my own truth because only i can do so. Sharing your own experience is not gossip! There is a huge difference!! And yes i have told lies and thats something i admit from the depths of my soul. And for my sister, she forever holds a grudge for the lies that i have told in the past that had nothing to do with this man. So thats a huge reason why she chose his side! And for me i am learning to not hold a grudge over my sister for all that she did to me as a child. All that has happened to us as children resulted to what we did to ourselves as we got older. The youngest of 3 was very tough. Because i was the baby i was looked at as a brat which i was and thats a very common thing for the youngest of the family. Because i was the youngest i felt like i was not welcome in my sisters life and that i wasn't good enough to be taken serious or to be taken care of by my older siblings. So for my sister Melissa and where shes at in life is something i'll try my best to accept and its not that she's a believer, its that she put her whole heart into what has been said to help her walk in a good way, which is good. But the intentions of the man behind closed doors is like a drug addiction that needs a desperate intervention. To the people he asked to pray/converse, pray for him or themselves or family. While he preys on young girls which is his thrill of the hunt. Young girls do not mean to be victimized by this man nor do they understand what it means to be a victim. But for the sake of the well being of these victims they must have truth and reconciliation. He says "if you have a choice your not a victim" why should he make them choose or not to choose to have sex with them when they look at him as a spiritual leader? Sometimes we have no choice because of our negative self fulling prophecy, thats when manipulation comes into place with this man. He was only suppose to look at our cane of knowledge to help guide us through life but he used everything that cane was made out of and used it against young girls (victims) Yes victims i say! Because a predator is what he is, portraying to be a great almighty leader! He would always say "A real man has more respect for a woman even if she does not have respect for herself." If every girl or woman wanted this man, why didn't he have the respect of a true man? Especially for a his own niece? If we still lived in the buffalo days this was a huge NO! Because long time ago in the Blackfoot way if a man or woman crossed a line they would be dealt with by death. For this case it must be prison!!! So young girls across the nation will never experience what i have experienced.

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Aho! This is a long time coming. I said my peace to this guy many many years ago after what I witnessed with my own eyes and his conduct toward me with regard to paying for a ceremony.

I will say from a logical Native's perspective when a man runs a ceremony and at the end when it is time for food and water. That man should be the last to take anything!  The women, children and other men eat first then that leader of that ceremony will eat.   I saw this many many times in many ceremonies run by old men who no one knew outside those circles and families..no famous actor.. nothing like that... Just serious good elders with good medicine. They all ate last. They spoke about the symbolism and why they ate last, they talked about how this teaches the young men and babies that are in the ceremony how to conduct themselves in this world. This sounds simple but it is a very telling sign.. A sign I rationalized some kind of way around it and I am ashamed of that for myself.

Go to one of Nathan's ceremonies and see who eats first and see who eats last. Nathan always eats first, it's mandatory.  I don't know why I didn't act on my instinct right away when I saw this but it did strike me as unusual and I did think about it a bit but I suppose I let his words overpower my own instinct. I saw the people around him so happy to offer him food first, then the rest of us would eat. I wanted to believe such a good person exist and they do but this guy isn't one of them. He is a predator, he must always win, always be with the most, he intimidates people using fear and Lakota Star knowledge, he needs lots of attention and that's not a medicine person. That's a sociopath.

This guy has had plenty of time to correct his path. He has been accused of this behavior for a while now and he could have easily changed, asked for forgiveness took a step back and refocussed his life. Instead he lashes back at the people who are confronting him, he dismisses those who are saying, hey! You hurt me! He disrespects women! Then talks about respect and honor, being a warrior etc..  So I got nothing for the guy, no prayers, nothing. Someone like this will not change. He will only lie and continue to lie and deceive others. I pray for his family and those around him who he is ultimately gonna hurt as they will be the last to see and realize what damage he has done to their lives. I pray for the people he as already hurt as many of them were just looking for a little help.  I encourage them to continue to follow the Lakota teachings and not let one person destroy their faith in these ways. There are plenty of elders to speak with and to pray with about this that can guide you in a good way. Also this is a teaching that we must also be strong on our own many times through life, we don't always need a guide, we are our own guide, the Grandfathers speak to us all. Trust your instinct, if something doesn't seem right, if your stomach is telling you it isn't right then it probably isn't. 

This guy is no medicine person, he had the opportunity to be that person but he has taken advantage of people and allowed himself to become out of control.  These ways protect themselves as we are seeing. The irony is he tells people in his circle that when others leave the circle they are weak and that the Lakota Ways are protected so that's why they left.  He tell's them all this is rumors made by people who are jealous.  I really feel for the people he is using, many of them are innocent in all of this.

These ways are protected and we are seeing what happens to someone when they disrespect these ways and disrespects the people who truly believe in these ways.

Mitakuye Oyasin !

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Re: Nathan Chasing Horse / Nathan Lee Chasing His Horse / Nathan Chases His Horse
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2016, 01:18:47 am »
Recently, one of Nathan Chasing Horse's former co-workers published this publicly on Facebook:

Chaske Spencer
4 September at 00:27 ·

So, I'm gonna tell u why I'm doing this. Exposing Nathan Chasing Horse. I didn't just wake up and decide to fuck with the guy for no reason. 3 or 4 years ago. I danced at his Sundance. At first I went to just see and help out. Haul wood. Help make the sweat lodges. Be of service. The next year I went and danced. And he put me up on the hill for my vision quest. Now, through out this time. I had several people warn me about him. And, I too had defended him. He was the all mighty second coming of crazy horse. According to... Well... Him. He told me he was a descended of Crazyhorse. Whatever. It wasn't til the second year that I started to notice breaks in the image he was portraying. First thing was the women. The young girls. I had asked about that and was shut down right away. Then came the money. Because I was in Twilight at the time. I was constantly being hounded for a payment of money. Not just a few hundred. But, I'm talking thousands. He would have his "helper" do it. Now, I've grown up around these ways my whole life. I know that u can help your Medicine Man out by giving some money for gas, lodging and food. That's fine. I also started to notice the cult mentally that Nathan Chasing Horse and his follows were pushing on me. The fear tactics. If I don't fill the "pipe" creator was gonna punish me. Hurt my family. Etc etc. I was born at night. But, not last night. So, I just said fuck him. I'm gone. I tried to talk to a few of his helpers. But, I could see they drank the kool aid and it was no use. So, I just left and chalked it up as a learning experience. I never bad mouthed him. I just thought That's his thing. And, u can't connivence someone who is brainwashed that who their following has bad intentions. After I left one my sisters stayed involved. It wasn't Tyger. :) the spiritual abuse she endured was horrific. And when she wanted to leave. Nathan Chasing Horse made threat to my family. Now, I can be straight up Rez when I need to be. I wanted fly down to Las Vegas. Where Nathan lives and just pull him out of his house and beat the shit out of him. But, I took the higher road. To wrap up this part. Nothing happened. My sister left him. We all were still alive. God didn't take us out. All was well. By the way Nathan Chasing Horse I knew u were full of shit. :)
A couple of days ago a young woman reached out to me asking for my help. She had remembered me from when I sundanced at Nathan's camp. She told what she had gone through with him. The spiritual abuse. The sex abuse. The fear tactics he uses to keep his followers in line. And, I got pissed. I regret not doing this earlier. For that. I am truly sorry. I began to watch the documentary about cults and cult leaders. And I could relate to all the victims. And then I felt I needed to do something to bring this to light. As Native People. There's so much shit have to deal with on an everyday basis. We don't need people like Nathan Chasing Horse and other fake medicine men taking advantage our children. Our elders. Just people who are looking for some hope in their lives. Since then. I have found my own spiritual path. And, it's mine. No one else's. I have my own connection with a higher power of my own understanding. And life is great. But, I can no longer sit back and watch this man do so much harm to people that all they wanted was a path to a higher power. To better then they were the day before. So, Nathan Chasing Horse. That's why I'm coming for u. I'm good. I just want the people u hurt and are still hurting to have a voice. I'm not gonna stop. I just keeping thinking about the victims that are telling me what your doing. At some point some if not all of them will find the courage to come forward and tell their truth about what u did to them. And, maybe the authorizes will listen this time. I hope some your follower and ex followers will hit a point when they say enough is enough. And, like I said... U can come at me bro. I don't care.... I want u too... Cause u got a lot of skeletons in your closet. Let's open the door so people can see what your really doing.
Peace n love to all the ex followers and current followers. I hope u see what I see.