Say what Johnny Depp?

[critter - a white non-ndn person]

I don't see anything different or encouraging in that article. Just more Hollywood business as usual.

Me either. He still has that bird on his head. I wonder how many people who, after having seen
the film, will go around with birds on their heads. I think it's stupid. I think, if there's really any
reason to have a dead bird on one's head, then it would have to be a very private reason, and
no one would go around in every day life with a dead bird on their head. But that's just me. Maybe
others see it as being pretty, like wearing a broach or necklace.

[clearwater]

If that silly bird on his head makes it to the final film, then I can only guess that Disney will be soon marketing cheap birdhats made in China.

I agree, it's all about the money. Disney is a pretty big steamroller.

[Defend the Sacred]

If that silly bird on his head makes it to the final film, then I can only guess that Disney will be soon marketing cheap birdhats made in China.

It's already started: http://www.etsy.com/search?q=bird%20headdress&view_type=gallery&ship_to=ZZ&min=0&max=0&ref=auto6



http://www.etsy.com/search?q=native%20american%20bird%20headdress&view_type=gallery&ship_to=ZZ&min=0&max=0&ref=auto6



http://www.etsy.com/search?q=crow%20headdress&view_type=gallery&ship_to=ZZ&min=0&max=0&ref=auto6

[clearwater]

Oh good grief.

Somehow, I think Hollywood thinks it lets itself off the hook from cultural theft when it simply creates things out of nothing (out of "whole cloth") like this.

My feeling is, they are not of the hook. It's cultural theft and bastardization.

In my opinion...

[Defend the Sacred]

And...



http://www.etsy.com/shop/BatcakesCouture?section_id=5885105

http://www.etsy.com/search?q=bird%20hat%20feathers&view_type=gallery&ship_to=ZZ&min=0&max=0



http://www.laweekly.com/photoGallery/index/1332796/1/

partial nudity: http://www.laweekly.com/photoGallery/index/1332796/0/

[E.P. Grondine]

They are in reshoot, and hopefully the dead bird is going away.

Amazingly, the production doesn't have money for CGI or a real for a big train scene.

I wonder what's left of Segio Leone's trains in Spain, or where some old trains are available internationally. For that matter, there are plenty of US train collections, and pieces could be shipped to the set.

There's always narrow gauge available, with backgrounds put in.

Disney needs a train scene to tie in with Thunder Mountain.

Budget? This is Disney, and its a long term investment.

I could have told them John Carter would be a flop early on, and saved them a couple of hundred million.

There's a new piece in Indian Country today on Depp and the Lone Ranger. Worth reading and watching, IMO. Everyone involved seems determined to do this right.

[E.P. Grondine]

Dead Bird still on head:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2205852/Johnny-Depp-leaps-moving-trains-films-stunts-new-Lone-Ranger-movie.html

Though Depp has stiffened its wings.

[E.P. Grondine]

The dead bird reminds me of the raccoon (coon) skin hats Disney had for Davy Crockett.

I suppose these will be in demand, and despite the fact that Disney and Depp bought rights to the image (which featured a live bird), powwow vendors will end up making them. I suppose the crows will need to watch out. Maybe Disney will make them in China, unless some nation can swing the deal first.

Oh joy. At least this will be better than hearing someone claim that they are descended from Pocahontas. But this time we'll ultimately end up having to explain "spirit warriors".

Well, whatever Disney puts out this time, it can't be as bad as "Squanto".

Casino comedians, get your jokes ready.

[Defend the Sacred]

Here's the trailer. Dead bird, still on head. Tontospeak, you bet. Racist as all hell, sure looks like it.

http://youtu.be/L9DDCKVrZfU

With all the railroad stuff, it looks like they are also going for some of the audience of Into the West and Hell on Wheels, currently airing on... AMC, I think.

[Pono Aloha]

My husband says, what's the big deal? It's escapist. I say it's okay to be escapist as long as you're not racist.

[Defend the Sacred]

My husband says, what's the big deal? It's escapist. I say it's okay to be escapist as long as you're not racist.

I think a white guy doing a paintdown, complete with dead bird on head and grunting TontoSpeak, is pretty damn racist.

[Defend the Sacred]

As for the adoption claim...

Turns out a friend of the 1491s witnessed the "Comanche Adoption," he tells the story here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjCIVFvSp6M&feature=youtu.be

I don't know how the Comanche do it, but if they're like the L/D/N, every single family in the Nation would have to agree to adopt him for him to be adopted "By the Nation" as he, and even some NDN news outlets, have said.  AFAIK, he was adopted by one woman, a respected member of the community but still a complete stranger to him, not by the entire community. The reports and pictures we've seen are backed up by the witness above.

Those new to this thread can read more about how adoption works in this thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1294.0

[Epiphany]

http://www.nativetimes.com/life/people/7896-actor-johnny-depp-honored-guest-at-comanche-nation-fair

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/article/johnny-depp-adopted-into-comanche-nation-114174

http://www.tmz.com/2012/09/29/johnny-depp-comanche-indian-parade/

Sounds like this has been two events: adopted by LaDonna Harris, then given a proclamation making him an honorary Comanche.

"LaDonna was with us the whole time. He didn't go anywhere without LaDonna.  He loves LaDonna," Asa Attocknie, tribal member, said. "He's very thoughtful. He was shocked the chairman gave him a proclamation making him an honorary Comanche. He didn't expect that at all. He was very humble." (my bolding)

That third link is to video of him arriving at the Comanche Nation Fair in Oklahoma. Personally the video makes me a cringe a little, I don't like the man I guess.

[E.P. Grondine]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2246304/The-Lone-Ranger-trailer-The-story-mask-revealed.html

Not as bad as "Squanto" but not good news.
Its a "spirit bird".
You try to kill it and it just keeps coming back to life.

At least we can be sure that Disney will take it before NDN preview audiences, so perhaps it will be improved a little, but this is not good news.
"Horse says so".

[Defend the Sacred]

No preview feedback will make them reshoot the entire movie. It's Depp's entire performance that stinks from the head. Depp's accent veers back and forth between sounding like a constipated Norwegian attempting to sound like a Noble Savage, to sounding like a French pretendian. It is truly horrible. I didn't think it was possible to make an even more offensive form of TontoSpeak, but Depp has managed it.

I couldn't get the trailer to load in the Daily Mail article, but here it is on YouTube: http://youtu.be/JgXGbsESUEg