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Offline Superdog

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #600 on: December 28, 2010, 11:22:43 pm »
Ok, we can at least put together a much more real picture of the Council of Continental Elders.  Just as educated alluded to, there's a bit of a mistranslation of that particular title, it's not completely off, but not completely correct either....just seems to have mainstreamed among them or among people that have anything to do with Adam DeArmon's Institute for Cultural Awareness. 

So here we go.  Following Spiral Walks link I came on the same info.:

http://www.soundstrue.com/mysteryof2012/?tag=continental-council-of-indigenous-elders

"Return of the Ancestors: Global Wisdom Keepers Coming to Northern Arizona
(April 18-28, 2009)
Friday, April 3rd, 2009

The Institute for Cultural Awareness presents a historic International multicultural gathering and sacred pilgrimage welcoming Indigenous elders and future wisdom keepers representing the voice of Mother Earth, beginning Earth Day weekend, April 18-28, 2009 throughout Northern Arizona.

The heart of the gathering will be the 4th reunion of the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders and Spiritual Guides of the Americas. The intention is to unite and share the invited wisdom keeper’s visions and prophesized ceremonies for peace and harmony for Mother Earth and all humanity."
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You can see here there's a much longer title...."Continental Council of Indigenous Elders and Spiritual Guides of the Americas."  It's their 4th gathering.  The other three gatherings are explained by following the "Institute for Cultural Awareness" link in the text on that page....and they have everything to do with Don Alejandro (for anyone reading...understand I am not saying anything derogatory about him..in fact, I have a lot of respect for him and I find it a shame that some of the people he's coming in contact with here are using him as a means to establish legitimacy as Crowther and DeArmon do...which is completely unfair to Don Alejandro).

So onto the "Institute for Cultural Awareness" link.  It contains a more detailed description of the history of the first three gatherings. 

Its in a written message from Don Alejandro and reads:

http://www.soundstrue.com/mysteryof2012/?p=842

"Message from Mayan Elder Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj

It is my greatest pleasure to know that 8, almost 9 years later the next Gathering of Indigenous Elders is about to take place in Arizona. Based on the Mayan Prophecies, several years ago, I had the vision to do these gatherings; and so, in 1995, with the help of Creator, I organized the First of these gatherings here in Guatemala, in the Center, the Land of the Quetzal. Like our Mayan Prophecy says: “Those of the Center may unite the Eagle of the North with the Condor of the South, we will meet, for we are one like the fingers of the hand.” Two years later, in 1997, the Second gathering of Indigenous Elders was held in South America, Bogota and the Amazon jungle in Colombia, the Land of the Condor. Two years later, in 1999, the Third one in North America, New Mexico, USA, the land of the Eagle. We joined Americas!

After the Third gathering, the Sacred Staff that had helped us join the three Americas was gone and the gatherings stopped. Eight years of stagnation followed. But now the Sacred Staff is back, the movement has returned. Now we want to reach all corners of the world. All those who come to participate in this gathering will be Messengers of the Prophecies, Messengers of Peace, Warriors to save our Mother Earth and all those who inhabit her: brother animals, trees, all living beings and the world of the stone people. Together we can do it. Together we can bring peace."

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So the "Continental Council of Indigenous Elders" is in reality Don Alejandro's "Gathering of Indigenous Elders".  It's not necessarily a council although they could be thought of as one. 

The Return of the Ancestors gathering that the Institute for Cultural Awareness put on last year included, as just a part of the whole thing, the 4th Gathering of Indigenous Elders...or in the other ICA's/Crowther et al's terminology....the 4th meeting of the Continental Council of Indigenous Elders.  It's one in the same.

The ICA is Adam Dearmon's institute...the Return of the Ancestors link includes welcome messages from Don Alejandro as well as Drunvalo, Kiesha defends them all in her written statements.  The pieces all fit.

So her "recognition" as a shaman by the Continental Council of Indigenous elders becomes more dubious as the council, does not have the authority to speak for all indigenous peoples as a "council".  They gather as individuals with a strong admirable communal spiritual purpose, but just because someone who believes in their work is presented to them AS a shaman and these people believe it...is not any sort of real recognition.  Especially if they've been lied to in the first place.  I would venture her idea of "recognition" by them is a much romanticized version of reality just as the "selection by the elders at 8 years old" story was romanticized as well.

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Offline AlaskaGrl

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #601 on: December 29, 2010, 02:18:00 am »

Searching backwards online I found this snippet from June 29, 2010
http://www.worldpuja.org/archives/2010-06-29_b/

"""""Recently at the age of 30, Little Grandmother was made Shaman-Wisdom Keeper
by the Sioux and Salish tribal grandmothers -- a great honor. """""


""""Growing up with a profound love and respect for all creatures, Little Grandmother went on to achieve her degree in Animal Science and has worked as a wildlife specialist/rehabilitator for many years. She also established a non-profit organization called the SLV Wildlife & Endangered Species Rescue Center to insure a safe haven and protective environment for those animals who need rescue from either neglect or injury by protecting, saving, rehabilitating and preserving wildlife."""""

 
http://www.manta.com/c/mm8pc3r/slv-wildlife-endangered-species-rescue-center

""Slv Wildlife & Endangered Species Rescue Center is a private company categorized under Humane Societies and located in Sanford, CO.    Our records show it was established in and incorporated in Colorado.    Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of 100,000 and employs a staff of approximately 3.""""  scroll down for further Data.


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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #602 on: December 29, 2010, 02:45:43 am »
If you go to the Colorado dept of wildlife and look at their list of rehab facilities, Crowthers is not listed. If you go to the Colorado secretary of states website she has never filed required information or responded to attempts of contact since the business was incorporated.

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #603 on: December 29, 2010, 09:22:08 am »
If you go to the Colorado dept of wildlife and look at their list of rehab facilities, Crowthers is not listed. If you go to the Colorado secretary of states website she has never filed required information or responded to attempts of contact since the business was incorporated.

Good work sky

I find this unsurprising and would be very interested to know more about this wildlife rehabilitation centre as there is a long and ignoble history of such organisations being used as a cover for businesses where making money via paying visitors is of significantly higher  priority than wildlife conservation and in one notable case that I'm aware of as a cover to trade in endangered species illegally.

I'm sure that some here will be familiar with the Temple of Isis ocelot trafficking scandal, but here is a link for those that are unfamiliar with the case.

http://www.inhumane.org/data/TempleofIsis.htm

Link to the Temple of Isis in California
http://www.isisoasis.org/

To my knowledge the Temple of Isis and LG have no connection but I would be extremely interested to know more about LG's wildlife rehabilitation centre, if is actually ever existed.

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #604 on: December 29, 2010, 01:19:54 pm »
"Very recently, Kiesha called the tribal council office to inquire about her official standing in the tribe. She was told that Falling Feathers had not acted with the permission of the tribal council—therefore she was not recognized officially by the tribe. You can imagine how shocked and dismayed she was to find this out."
Is there a URL for the source quoted here ?


revealer, i copied this bit from her "urgent message" on the tribe of many colors website ...
her info/content is being edited a lot lately and this timestamp is as of this morning:
published, December 26, 2010 - revised December 28, 2010

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #605 on: December 29, 2010, 04:44:18 pm »
If you go to the Colorado dept of wildlife and look at their list of rehab facilities, Crowthers is not listed. If you go to the Colorado secretary of states website she has never filed required information or responded to attempts of contact since the business was incorporated.

I went to a Colorado site that matches Volunteers up with Rehab Center and they said
RE:   Slv Wildlife & Endangered Species Rescue Center, located in Sanford, CO. ::

""""Have never heard of them. They may have been a wildlife sanctuary -- or someone thinking about forming a sanctuary. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for people who would like to have such a facility to find that they are unable to do so due to the many requirements. You could check with the Colorado Secretary of State website to see if they are a viable organization. And if they are working with wildlife they would have to maintain a permit with the CO Division of Wildlife or Dept of Ag.""""""

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #606 on: December 29, 2010, 06:22:11 pm »
 My irony meter explodeth  :o

Well, just a bit odd I think, since Prophet's Conference has this in it's FAQ:

I only posted number 7 and then 9 because I think they go hand in hand.. if they LOOK or bother to look at KC's bio can't they tell it's "new age BS" and/or just plain BS?  If the people running this Prophets Conference cannot tell that KC's bio is BS then.. they have no business running a prophets conference..

FAQ

7. What makes the presenters experts?

Please see the page of bios for each faculty member. Their education, research, experience, integrity, and knowledge make them experts in their fields. And we conscientiously attempt to only present teachers who continue to explore and expand and search for both subjective and objective truth.

9. Are these 'new age' events?

No, we are not focused on 'New Age' anything. We feel that a good deal of the so-called ‘New Age’ presentations being offered in the ‘New Age’ marketplace are questionable and often designed to enhance the egos of charismatic people and their pocketbooks. These teachings may often become new forms of cultic fundamentalism, presenting dogmatic absolutes and beliefs. We, on the other hand, work to offer the opportunities to explore current topics in science, metaphysics, energy, health, and philosophy, opening to potentials and possibilities that are fluid, flexible, and personal. We look to blend these subjects in ways that are enriching for our lives and for our greater conscious evolution, and that encourage personal responsibility.

 

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #607 on: December 29, 2010, 11:24:45 pm »
Well, it's good that Kiesha may be rethinking her approach by taking down the tribeofmanycolors.net site.  By reading through her latest statements I am dubious this is really an awakening. 

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"Recently, Kiesha called the tribal council office to inquire about her official standing in the tribe. She was surprised to hear that Falling Feathers had not acted with the permission of the tribal council and therefore could not necessarily convey tribal authority.

Kiesha had no reason to doubt that her initiation came with full authority and recognition. For that reason and because tribal members were referred to her as shaman in the first year of her initiation, she spoke in her first talks of being made a “shaman for the Sioux and Salish” people."

What?  "not necessarily convey tribal authority".   C'mon.   Did 'Falling Feathers' (registered name please) tell you literately "you are now the shaman for the Sioux and Salish tribes and I am making this declaration with authority of the tribe"?   As far as anyone call tell 'Falling Feathers' either did not exist or is possibly someone unknown to the Salish tribe at all.   (The CSKT statement is very clear.  It does not hem and haw.)

In this, Kieshas latest statement, there is not an apology in any way, no admission that she was wrong, or has misperceived/misunderstood, etc about making the statement 'I was made shaman of the Sioux and Salish tribes'.   People reading her statement could likely conclude that she thinks the original shaman statement is still ok because she was under the impression it was true though offering only anecdote and assumption to substantiate it.   Good grief.  Many people do feel Kiesha overstepped and offended two NDN nations directly and all NDN nations on the continent and everyone else.   Does Kiesha think it's enough just to say she will stop using NDN items?  But she has not apologized for the statement itself.  The lack of an apology is likely to attract attention into the future.

Then can Kiesha honestly wonder why folks who are concerned about her do not appear that they are going to stop trying to get to the truth?  Could it be because they sense a lack of truthfulness, of coming totally clean, being totally honest?  Kiesha, please consider coming totally clean, apologize, come out with the whole thing, real names, etc., and save everyone a lot of time.  You are dealing with the NDN people on their home turf, literally.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2010, 11:46:47 pm by revealer »

Offline AlaskaGrl

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #608 on: December 30, 2010, 12:08:46 am »
""in the first year of her initiation, she spoke in her first talks of being made a “shaman for the Sioux and Salish” people.""""

And it's still on her page of the "Prophets Conference" and on her old You Tubes which need to be pulled and amended.
On the prophets Conference website she states "she was "called to be shaman for the Sioux and Salish tribes"

Lindaa

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #609 on: December 30, 2010, 10:55:38 am »
""in the first year of her initiation, she spoke in her first talks of being made a “shaman for the Sioux and Salish” people.""""

And it's still on her page of the "Prophets Conference" and on her old You Tubes which need to be pulled and amended.
On the prophets Conference website she states "she was "called to be shaman for the Sioux and Salish tribes"

Lindaa

It is still everywhere.. At the moment I have a feeling that the whole "official message" is just cosmetic and isn't supposed to be read too carefully by the people who "follow" her or to make public in too many places that advertise her. I might be wrong tho, but haven't seen it posted in any Kiesha related place. Maybe because you might start questioning something when you read it, it is in conflict with itself, if not totally going "aww, she is the victim here". :p It basicly says that the man who made her shaman was a "fraud", which would mean that she is a fraud as well, but instead this fake initiation makes her a real shaman. Interesting. I thought I have good imagination, but am not even near this, I usually try to keep some logic in my thoughts. O_o Guess there is a reason why god/goddess/spirit doesn't let sensible people to form cults, it would be way too hard to debunk...

Edit: Oh, now it has been changed at least in here: http://littlegrandmother.net/BIO.aspx
Only speaks about the continental council and shaman initiation at the age of 30... but ofc she still claims to be the "Wisdom Keeper of North American", which has a certain sound in it. :)

Another EDIT:
Plot thickens. Found this: http://www.2012-doomsday-predictions.com/11582/don-alejandro-cirilo-perez-oxlaj-mayan-message/ which seems to be more or less the idea behind the continental council and what Don Alejandro believes he is doing... with "Adam Yellowbird". Who was this Adam Yellowbird again? Except The Institute for Cultural Awareness "founder" or what ever and the man who is behind the Return or the Ancestors thing... And when did he decide that it is ok to mix up all the new age crap into this thing that, as Don Alejandro describes it, sounds quite nice. Since at least for me it sounds like preserving the earth and not wait for ufo's and the "world's end" message here seems to be more related on how we treat the earth and that we should prepare better for catastrophies that sun activity might bring along or something. Only my view on it tho. :)

(3rd EDIT: also found this, only little bit related with the messages of LG, but anyway, neuroscience for kids... http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html )
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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #610 on: December 30, 2010, 02:54:28 pm »
Is this the same "Yellowbird"

USA ~ Make a difference for Lakota Children
Since 1927, St. Joseph's Indian School has provided care and education for Native American boys and girls. St. Joseph's Indian School's stated mission is to provide for the basic welfare of children (food, clothing and medical care) with special emphasis on the spiritual, emotional and educational development of each child, while respecting their culture and heritage

http://www.stjo.org/site/PageServer?pagename=stjo_homepage

The Kiesha thing seems to be part of a huge group, and if you look to the right hand column on this link, its all about donating to some group or to some thing like the above.
The one above is the last one on the list of the column on the right, but worth looking at them all i think.
This is the link, been watching her and others for a while now, i signed up for a while to news letters, she sent one out requesting money to send some Mayan elder on some tour to someplace to fulifll his life path?
http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #611 on: December 30, 2010, 04:16:25 pm »
Welcome to the forum :-)



This is a different person.

Adam 'Yellowbird' DeArmon : http://www.earthworksforhumanity.org/Peru_Photos/004.jpg

Monte Yelllow Bird : http://blackpintohorsefinearts.com/LRSC-project/monte-emily.jpg

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #612 on: December 30, 2010, 04:31:53 pm »
.......This is the link, been watching her and others for a while now, i signed up for a while to news letters, she sent one out requesting money to send some Mayan elder on some tour to someplace to fulifll his life path?
http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/

Would that be Don Alejandro Cirilo Perez Oxlaj (Wandering Wolf)?

To be blunt, and at the risk of appearing disrespectful, I don't really understand why he is going about things the way he is. He needs to invest in a digital camera with whatever donations he has allready got, and a laptop, or get them for someone who can use them, and stick up his message on youtube. It will reach a wide audience, The concept of producing a movie like he has been trying to do for years, which takes a huge bundle of money, is unnecessary in this day and age. He could have sent a digital video and laptop to many of the other communities with the elders he wants to have in the movie and organised it that way. Anyone who cares about the topic won't mind about the production quality. Maybe his advisors aren't really doing a good job in advising him.

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #613 on: December 30, 2010, 04:40:26 pm »
Thank you, and thanks for the clarification too :)

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Re: Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"
« Reply #614 on: December 30, 2010, 07:32:32 pm »
To be blunt, and at the risk of appearing disrespectful, I don't really understand why he is going about things the way he is. He needs to invest in a digital camera with whatever donations he has allready got, and a laptop, or get them for someone who can use them, and stick up his message on youtube.

It might be that he wants the film on filmfestivals, maybe even on TV. In which case he needs a professional productionteam.
With Hollywood going nuts over 2012, they might find an interest in this kind of film.