BIA Native Descent Cards

[E.P. Grondine]

Hello everyone,

With the discussions of bq an other enrollment processes, I would like your opinion on BIA native descent cards (that is probably not the right term) and the native crafts act.

[dabosijigwokush]

you could also add native music in this category
but enrollment processes should be by each native nation only, not a foreign government
as to native descent cards, i believe they need to be like passports or Worldwide Visa
each native nation in its self is a independent entity, to accept the government's visa, passport, is giving up your own nation
to say your are a native artist or entertainer, i would ask these 4 questions

1 what is your legal name, not the "Indian" name you got over the INTERNET, so you can be checked out,
 if you are real what do you have to worry about
2 what nation do you represent, not a club, not a church, not a Internet group   
3 who from that nation will represent you, some one i can call to confirm that you are who you say you are
4 have you been authorized by that nation to be a artesian or entertainer representing that nation

when you sell something being native made it represents a nations history or art forms

[earthw7]

Are you talking about our enrollment cards?
Who gives out native decent cards? Confusing?

Each nation make their own rules as to who belong to the their nation,
so some have Like mine 1/4 BQ other you can only be a member if your mother
is or another though your father, some allow people who are descendnat of a tribe
but most do not.

[sky]

Are you talking about CDIB cards?

I know at least some Nations will give you an artisan card if you have a CDIB proving decent from that Nation.  Personally I think one should be enrolled in order to produce art and label it indian made.

[E.P. Grondine]

Are you talking about CDIB cards?

I guess that's it. What do the letters CDIB stand for?

I know at least some Nations will give you an artisan card if you have a CDIB proving decent from that Nation.

I would suppose that would differ from nation to nation and from artisan to artisan.

Personally I think one should be enrolled in order to produce art and label it indian made.

Thank you for sharing with me your opinion on this, sky.

[E.P. Grondine]

Confusing?

It sure is, earthw7. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

[earthw7]

We have our  CDIB card but they come from our tribal nation not the BIA

[sky]

I guess that's it. What do the letters CDIB stand for?

CDIB stands for Certificate of Degree of Indian or Alaskan Native Blood.  You can get the application and instructions here - http://www.bia.gov/idc/groups/public/documents/text/idc002653.pdf

I would suppose that would differ from nation to nation and from artisan to artisan.

Yep you're right.  Some Nations require that you submit examples of your artwork before they will consider you for an artisans card.

Thank you for sharing with me your opinion on this, sky.

You're welcome

[sky]

We have our  CDIB card but they come from our tribal nation not the BIA

I don't think the BIA should be involved CDIBs.  I think that it treads a thin line of violating sovereignty rights.

[dabosijigwokush]

When you been authorized by that nation to be a artesian or entertainer representing that nation
I would think you would protect that nation as well
there goes no one is ever representing the B.I.A. in anything, why do they still exist
who is protecting them

[E.P. Grondine]

We have our  CDIB card but they come from our tribal nation not the BIA

I don't think the BIA should be involved CDIBs.  I think that it treads a thin line of violating sovereignty rights.

While I tend to agree, we all know of the casino politics abuses that have been occurring lately.

Met a woman who tracked down her ancestor in the Dawes rolls, documented her beyond question, and CNO said no.

But perhaps tribal CDIB cards may be part of the solution to the heritage group problem, and thus a useful tool for shutting down the frauds.

[Rattlebone]

We have our  CDIB card but they come from our tribal nation not the BIA

I don't think the BIA should be involved CDIBs.  I think that it treads a thin line of violating sovereignty rights.

While I tend to agree, we all know of the casino politics abuses that have been occurring lately.

Met a woman who tracked down her ancestor in the Dawes rolls, documented her beyond question, and CNO said no.

But perhaps tribal CDIB cards may be part of the solution to the heritage group problem, and thus a useful tool for shutting down the frauds.

Why would the CNO say no if she tracked her ancestors down to the DAWES without question? The CNO has no BQ cut off, and I heard at one point was enrolling thousands of people a week at one point because of that.

 I doubt Casino politics would fall into play there either, since with a population so large, casino money really would not be a factor impacting individual tribal members in such a way as it does small rich casino tribes here in cali.