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Author Topic: Angel Valley Resort Sweat Lodge in Sedona: 2 dead, 19 injured  (Read 18258 times)
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« Reply #180 on: June 30, 2010, 09:23:54 pm »

yeh, it was an actual tent.. like used for camping. a square one.  Depressing. why did they go to some nuage white woman and not ndn's for what a proper sweat should be?  i was really pissed at that, and will most likely send off an email to Primetime expressing my disdain for this. They should do a retraction and an apology.
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« Reply #181 on: July 01, 2010, 03:04:06 am »

Here it is:  http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/

click on the "The Day of the Fatal" clip and you'll see it, it comes up in about a minute. It's wrong, it's so so wrong.
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« Reply #182 on: July 01, 2010, 03:12:54 am »

I watched the show and agree that the rest of it was pretty good. I think it was a pretty good overview of cult behaviour, mind control, and the type of techniques exploiters use to dominate their followers/victims. They did not let Ray off the hook.

I'm wondering if the fraud sweat, while inappropriate, was chosen because it's a closer representation of what Ray was doing: Nuage, not Native, not traditional, with weird and unsafe changes. But then they made the mistake of saying plastic crates and prefab tents are "proper". *sigh*
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« Reply #183 on: July 01, 2010, 08:21:40 am »

i saw the show as well
and to pass the other sweat as authentic was totally irresponsible, this needs to be pointed out in a rebuttal
and all of his staff are turning on him so they don't get sued as well , they were just as involved as he was
they should have stopped it before any one got hurt
but the stupid people still would go back to him, blind leading the blind over the cliff
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« Reply #184 on: July 01, 2010, 06:23:08 pm »

It was scary and disturbing to hear the people who survived that say they would still go back to him. It happens when the predator has succeeded in making the victims rely on him.
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« Reply #185 on: July 22, 2010, 06:43:03 am »

I wanted to post some info that I don't recall seeing in this thread.  It has to do with the pharmacology of the supplements and testosterone drugs which were found in James Ray's possession when the search warrant was served.  Not that those supplements/drugs in any way, shape or form excuse the ceremony or the horrendous outcome afterwards, they might serve to explain his behaviour in the aftermath.

The info comes from the blog of Abel Pharmboy, Terra Sigillata.  The blog is written by a university educator and cancer researcher in North Carolina who holds a PhD in Pharmacology and Therapeutics and BS in Toxicology. The topics he covers relate to natural product drugs and dietary supplements, issues of under-represented groups in the STEMM disciplines, science and medical journalism, the science and culture of North Carolina, Florida, and Colorado.

James Ray’s Sedona sweat lodge stash: lessons in polypharmacy and endocrine pharmacology.

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As mentioned at the outset, one of the biggest reasons investigators were interested in any drugs that might have been in Ray’s possession was that there may have been psychoactive substances that could have impaired his judgment or that of followers/clients in the sweat lodge at the retreat. Ray was reported by several eyewitnesses as being aggressive and aloof, and even unhelpful when medics arrived at the sweat lodge. Dan Harris at ABC News asked me if I thought that Ray’s pharmacopeia might have contributed to his state of mind.
This is very difficult to do for a plethora of reasons, not the least of which because I am not a physician nor am I privy to what drugs he was actually taking or his basal personality characteristics. However, I am a pharmacologist and did train in endocrinology during my postdoctoral fellowship and can make some general comments.
A person taking any anabolic steroid regimen is prone to mood swings, anxiety, and aggressive behavior. A physician colleague also reminded me that some of the drugs on the search warrant could alone cause electrolyte disturbances that could be exacerbated by being in an enclosed area with hot stones where other people were vomiting and begging to get out after fasting for 36 hours. Specifically, testosterone can cause sodium retention and Diovan/valsartan can cause potassium retention. These ionic imbalances can certainly influence one’s state of mind and one can speculate that these imbalances would be made worse by fasting and dehydration.





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« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2010, 10:36:22 pm »

I read half way thru this thread and decided to stop and reply.
 The way I have seen things in the past years get worse over time with all the detractors trying to feed off of the un-knowledgable public.These people are trying to gain some sort of spirituality in the crisis our country is in at this time,and i feel that they are trying to go to the roots to get it without research. I have been to many Lodges and personally have one on my property in Tennessee,which i only use when my son can be a door man. I feel that if people would do research and try to respect the Elders that have laid the Red Road for all people to follow,they would weed out these detractors and be able to find true spirituality inside...JMO
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« Reply #187 on: July 24, 2010, 06:23:14 am »

It has to do with the pharmacology of the supplements and testosterone drugs which were found in James Ray's possession when the search warrant was served.  Not that those supplements/drugs in any way, shape or form excuse the ceremony or the horrendous outcome afterwards, they might serve to explain his behavior in the aftermath.


so now is he going to get off because of temporary insanity ?
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