Author Topic: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee aka Giovanni de Carlo aka "The Flute Keeper"  (Read 85755 times)

Offline that_dakota_kid

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #60 on: February 26, 2009, 08:50:16 pm »
Well from what my mom has told me Archie Fire Lame Deer used to sing with her uncle in Porcupine for a while and The Lame Deer Family has a good rep and is legit. So what I'm wonddering is how the family got tied with those guys over ther in the netherlands.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #61 on: February 26, 2009, 09:13:18 pm »
A lot of people from around Pine Ridge say that Archie was a good, if not very sophisticated man that got taken advantage of my exploiters.  He taught many people and it has become some what like "the check is in the mail, and of course I will respect you in the morning" for these fakes to trace their "rights" back to Archie - and now that he is gone on - no one can dispute it. 


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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #62 on: February 26, 2009, 09:27:20 pm »
 ;Dand of course I will respect you in the morning. nice!!!
I knew something didn't connect there. What a shame.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2009, 04:50:47 pm »
ha... lost and found  (my picture it- Program)....




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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2009, 02:02:08 pm »
Sweet Sassy Molassy, thats what I'm talkin about! Truly nice work Elke.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2009, 04:08:50 pm »
In a German Forum , that thread was posted here before his girlfriend answered, when I posted this above---- that the letter just says that they would not know him under this name but they didn't say that they don't know the guy....

....funny interpretation--- but I even don't know if I can laugh about so much ignorance.

and again--- there was trouble with him and his girlfriend because they showed a film of a guy who didn't want to be at a film on that webpage. The same happened with the 2 real Kiowa guys- he now calls Kiowa brothers at one film--- lol-- the people that look on his webpage think they agreed-- but at that event- the trouble really started because these 2 real Kiowa guys had a not very friendly discussion with de Carlo....

But now he is planning to find a few new victims in Australia--- as I saw on his webpage yesterday.

Hope the Australians will ask google.....
« Last Edit: March 04, 2009, 04:10:37 pm by Elke »

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2009, 06:20:01 pm »

At the forum of http://www.powwow-kalender.de, Mr de Carlo's business partner wrote the following comment when presented with the above letter by the Kiowa nation:


"I know this letter which does not say anything except he is not enrolled under THIS name."

If the Kiowa nation does not now him as a) Gio(vanni) de Carlo, b) Tdom Bah Toden Xkee, c) The Flute Keeper, then which is his legal name under which he should be enrolled?

As Mr de Carlo presents a "scanned copy" of his US passport at his site from which it is plain to see that the passport was issued to a person by the name of "Giovanni de Carlo", born Dec 16, this seems to be his legal name. Or is it? US and Kiowa authorities might be interested in getting a few more facts on this issue of 'not under THIS name', I suppose.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #67 on: March 04, 2009, 08:13:40 pm »
Kiowa Nation has a whole book full of stuff against di Carlo laying at their desk, as far as I know.

But - yes Ingeborg - I asked myself the same question--- but I didn't get an answer.


I think these guys really think all others in the world are a little bid stupid....

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2009, 01:20:39 am »
The following contribution was posted in the German powwow calendar on Thursday, Mar 5, 2009, 9:40 p.m. by an unnamed guest:


" Hello there. I have notified the military bases in Germany about Gio. The fact that he is not Native American means that he is in violation of the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990. This is policed by the FBI and our Department of the Interior. So, if he steps one foot on an American base, they can nab him. Stepping foot on a military base, regardless of where it is in the world, is the exact same thing as stepping onto American soil. The colonel of the Mannheim base is notifying other bases to ensure that Gio is never allowed to perform on a miltary base again.

Gio wrote me and said that he paid all of his debts when he renewed his passport or visa or something to that effect. This is not true at all. He took one of our flute makers here in the United States for a lot of money. He has never paid that debt. There is an arrest warrant in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for Gio. And I believe that the amount that he took from the flute makers consstitutes felony fraud. He has scammed women in the United States by charming them with romance and taking their money.

I can put you in touch with the flute makers that he scammed, if you'd like.

Gio is NOT Native American, We have talked with the tribal council of the Kiowa Nation and they know nothing about him. Even if he was adopted into the tribe, which I seriously doubt because no one has ever heard of him, he still is in violation of the Indian Arts and Crafts Act because Native Americans must be recognized by the US government with a tribal identification card which Gio DOES NOT HAVE. Adoption into a tribe is not recognized by the US government. Native American are only legally Native Americans if they satisfy the blood quantum requirements.

That Jackie Fischer sent to me a heck of a letter defending Gio. If I didn't know better, I would think that Gio is romancing her. He's good at it. In the United States, we would refer to Gio as a used car salesman ... smarmy and slick and without scruples.

You can contact the authorities on your end or the correct governmental department to inform them that Gio is not paying taxes and he is perpatrating a cultural fraud, making money as a Native American when he isn't one. You can site the Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1990, as evidence."

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #69 on: March 27, 2009, 05:14:35 pm »
In the www.powwow-kalender.de website, I checked out the upcoming 10.Westerwald-Contest-PowWow. There is a link for GiLa Music and there was the info for a "Indianisches Tanzfestival" held in Apen Klauhorn. Funny, "Indianisches Tanzfestival" is the German translation for Indian Pow Wow. But, on the poster there were only two Aztec dancers and a photo of Giovanni de Carlo in a fake Indian outfit. I guess he thinks that people will come to a "Indianisches Tanzfestival", if they see a picture on him playing a flute rather than a pow wow dancer or drum group. After exposing him as a fraud, he still thinks he can make money from playing "Kiowa" at these events. On the same page is another photo promoting a "Sacred Spirit 2009 World Tour", but there aren't any "real" natives in the photo, besides the two Aztecs.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #70 on: March 29, 2009, 04:01:19 pm »
When Mr de Carlo first joined NAFPS, he registered with the nick of 'cocolixtle'. According to his second homepage, he claims to have written a book by this title:

www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/history.html

He also used this nick to register in a few more forums:

http://www.youtube.com/user/cocolixtle

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Name: Tdom Bah
Native from The Americas Flute Player
Land: USA
Website: http://gilamusic.com

as found on March 12, 2009.

De Carlo is also registered with the nick of 'cocolixtle' at the forum of powwows.com:

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/members/cocolixtle.html

although he kept a low profile there in the way of postings:
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Date of Birth
December 16, 1957 (51)
Join Date 05-25-2007
Total Posts 0

Strangely enough, Mr de Carlo does not seem to know the meaning of this term. 'Cocolixtle' is a word taken from a Meso-American indigenous language, and it means „typhus“. (Some comments spring to mind which I prefer not to write down... - on the other hand, this does have a nice ring to it: 'Giovanni The Runs de Carlo')

De Carlo has also published a CD with the title „Cocolixtle“:

http://www.amazon.de/COCOLIXTLE-US-Gio-Carlo/dp/B00005YXBT

Its titles are predominantly in Spanish language:

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1. vigenes del sol 2. alma llanera 3. pajaro chogui 4. el condor pasa 5. el huamanqueño 6. fiesta aymara 7. llorando se fue 8. fina estampa 9. tico tico 10. la flor de la canela 11. pajaro campana 12. la bikina 13. guadalajara 14. moliendo cafe 15. dolaines melodie 16. huayno de la roca 17. recuerdos 18. la paloma 19. la fiesta de san benito 20. naranjita



Claims of winnig a Grammy and/or NAMA award:

The lists of Grammy winners were in vain searched for the names Gio(vanni) de Carlo, Tdom Bah Toden Xkee, or The Flute Keeper. These names also do not show up in the lists of NAMA winners and not even among the NAMA nominees.

The Grammy-winning CD „Sacred Ground“, however, can be traced:
http://worldmusiccentral.org/article.php?story=20060208194522787&query=Sacred%2BGround

The list of song titles and artists please see here:

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Ground-Tribute-Mother-Earth/dp/B000ARG2LO

Apparently, de Carlo did not contribute to the album „Sacred Ground“.
However, there are several sites which claim it was de Carlo who won a Grammy and/or NAMMY for this album, so e.g.:
http://gerry290655.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4B5ECE60426A0314!1377.entry

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Met zijn album Sacred Ground veroverde hij de de fameuze Grammy Award en de Native American Award. Hij speelde de fluitsolo’s in tal van films waarvan ‘The Last of the Mohicans’ wel een van de bekendste is.
Translation: With his album Sacred Ground he won the famous Grammy Award and the Native American Award. He played the flute solos in several films of which 'The Last of the Mohicans' is the most well-known.


http://nativeamericanofferings.com/detail.asp?product_id=0599-MUS

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Gio de Carlo is a Kiowa Indian from Oklahoma. His music has received numerous accolades with a Grammy award win for his album 'Sacred Ground'

http://www.medicinewheelgathering.nl/2007/TdomBah.htm

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Hij is Native American Award winnaar en Grammy Award genomineerde. Bekend van cd’s o.a. Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground en Memories from a Past.
Daarnaast heeft hij muziek geschreven en gespeeld voor films waaronder o.a. “Last of the Mohicans” en diverse tv programma’s.
Tdom Bah heeft opgetreden met artiesten van wereldfaam zoals; BB King, Carlos Santana en Paul Simon.

Translation: He is a winner of the Native American Award was nominated for the Grammy Award. He got known for CDs like Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground and Memories from a Past. He afterwards wrote and played the music for films, among them „Last of the Mohicans“ and several TV programmes. Tdom Bah performed with artists of world-fame like B.B. King, Carlos Santana and Paul Simon.



Regarding de Carlo's claim of having done a CD titled 'Sacred Spirit':

Sacred Spirit was done by German musician Claus Zundel – the CD cover apparently being the same as in the above copied article where it is said to be done by de Carlo. Sacred Spirit has an entry in the English wikipedia which was slightly altered as of February 27, 2009 by someone who is not a member of wikipedia. The change was small, but significant:

„Sacred Spirit is a musical project by Claus Zundel“ all of a sudden read „Sacred Spirit is a musical project by Tdom Bah.“ This version can still be seen at the article's history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275197071&oldid=273739224

The latest changes were effected as of March 5, 2009, to re-enter the correct name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275196814&oldid=275196214

This change, too, was done by an anonymous non-member of wikipedia who unfortunately forgot to also put back the link to the article on Claus Zundel.

However, from this article we learn that the first album titled „Sacred Spirit“ (released in 1994 by Zundel) has indeed been nominated for a Grammy:
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The album was nominated for best New Age album Grammy award
(emphasis added)
The source given for this information at wikipedia is this:
http://www.greengalactic.com/sacred_bluesy.html



Additonal alert at INAFA site:

The INAFA have updated their alert on Mr de Carlo after receiving a mail from Germany by the end of February:
http://worldflutes.org/alertGIO.html

The authors of this mail report de Carlo is using a German non-profit association to book gigs from which only he makes a profit while never paying the due amounts of tax to German IRS.



And a note from Mr de Carlo's homepage:

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GiLa Music and its members are Native American, as well as Non Native Local performers from the places where we do our presentations, all to bring you a piece of traditions in the form of entertainment, music, dances and workshops from different walks of life of the Native American World (North, Central and South America). All of our items offered (music, flute, drums,crafts) ARE Hand Made by both Natives and Local Non Natives and each item is described by its maker and origin.
GiLa music does not offer as part of its services and/or presentations any Native American Ceremonial events such as Sweat Lodges, Healing Seminars, Shaman Practices and other Esoteric presentations. Our workshops are craft related and intended to teach the participant the art of craft making from ALL of the Americas without any particular label (Such as Lakota, kiowa, etc. Flute making or Ojibwa bead work, etc.). In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world

Apparently de Carlo sees some advantage in paying a tiny bit of lip-service by denouncing ceremonial events. However, this would look a little better if de Carlo did not accept gigs at known nuage premises (cf earlier posting).

From the above quote, several things become apparent:
1 de Carlo offers items made by both „Natives and Local Non Natives“, i.e. he indeed sells any- and everything he believes to be profitable. We just have his assertion that all items are described correctly, and as someone has so aptly put it: 'Would you buy a used car from this man?'. Of course someone falsely claiming Grammies and Nammies would not lie to us about who exactly made that genuine ndn flute, now, would he. (And what was the meaning of his preferred nick of 'Cocolixtle' again...?)

2 de Carlo apparently believes he is able to teach flute maklng „from ALL of the Americas without any particular label (Such as Lakota, kiowa, etc. Flute making or Ojibwa bead work, etc.)“, thus either contributing to the notion of one generic ndn culture and/or his alleged proficiency in all ndn cultures.

3 But I most like his last sentence:
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In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world

That basically reads: if spectators are too daft to realize we did not mention any participating ndn by name and nation and believe we're ndn, that's not our fault. Putting up this note in a tiny box at his site may save him some legal trouble as far as his dancers are concerned, but it would not cover his behind for misrepresenting himself as a Kiowa or as 'an Indian' without giving any nation claiming him.


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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2009, 04:10:24 pm »
This is the above text in German translation for the convenience of German readers interested in the issue:

Als de Carlo sich das erste Mal bei NAFPS registrierte, wählte er den Nick „Cocolixtle“. Auf seiner zweiten Homepage erwähnt er, er habe ein Buch mit diesem Titel geschrieben:

www.angelfire.com/musicals/decarlo/history.html

Er hat sich mit dem Nick „Cocolixtle“ auch in einigen weiteren Foren registriert:

http://www.youtube.com/user/cocolixtle

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Name: Tdom Bah
Native from The Americas Flute Player
Land: USA
Website: http://gilamusic.com

So gesehen am 12. März 2009.

Auch im Forum von powwows.com ist de Carlo mit diesem Nick registriert:

http://www.powwows.com/gathering/members/cocolixtle.html

Er hat dort jedoch eine recht bescheidene Beitragszahl auf dem Konto:
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Date of Birth
December 16, 1957 (51)
Join Date 05-25-2007
Total Posts 0

Merkwürdigerweise scheint de Carlo sich nicht bezüglich der Bedeutung dieses Begriffes kundig gemacht zu haben. „Cocolixtle“ ist ein Wort aus einer meso-amerikanischen indigenen Sprache und bedeutet „Typhus“. (Da ergeben sich doch ein paar nette Assoziationen, auf die ich aber nicht weiter eingehen möchte... - andererseits: 'Giovanni Dünnpfiff de Carlo' – das hat was.)

De Carlo hat außerdem eine CD mit dem Titel „Cocolixtle“ herausgebracht:

http://www.amazon.de/COCOLIXTLE-US-Gio-Carlo/dp/B00005YXBT

Die Titel auf der CD sind vorwiegend in spanischer Sprache:

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1. vigenes del sol 2. alma llanera 3. pajaro chogui 4. el condor pasa 5. el huamanqueño 6. fiesta aymara 7. llorando se fue 8. fina estampa 9. tico tico 10. la flor de la canela 11. pajaro campana 12. la bikina 13. guadalajara 14. moliendo cafe 15. dolaines melodie 16. huayno de la roca 17. recuerdos 18. la paloma 19. la fiesta de san benito 20. naranjita



Die angeblichen Grammies und/oder NAMA-Auszeichnungen:

Auf der Liste der Grammy-Gewinner sucht man nach den Namen Gio(vanni) de Carlo, Tdom Bah Toden Xkee oder The Flute Keeper vergeblich. Auch auf der Liste der NAMA-Gewinner und sogar der der für den NAMA nominierten Personen tauchen diese Namen nicht auf.

Die ausgezeichnete CD 'Sacred Ground' läßt sich dagegen sehr leicht finden:

http://worldmusiccentral.org/article.php?story=20060208194522787&query=Sacred%2BGround

Einen Link zu den enthaltenen Tracks und den Künstlern gibt es auch:

http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Ground-Tribute-Mother-Earth/dp/B000ARG2LO


Offenbar hat de Carlo zu dem Album 'Sacred Ground' keinen Beitrag geleistet. Es gibt jedoch mehrere Webseiten, auf denen behauptet wird, de Carlo habe einen Grammy und/oder Nammy genau für dieses Album erhalten, z.B. auf:
http://gerry290655.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4B5ECE60426A0314!1377.entry

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Met zijn album Sacred Ground veroverde hij de de fameuze Grammy Award en de Native American Award. Hij speelde de fluitsolo’s in tal van films waarvan ‘The Last of the Mohicans’ wel een van de bekendste is.

Übersetzung: Mit seinem Album Sacred Ground gewann er den bekannten Grammy und den Native American Award. Er spielte Flötensoli in mehreren Filmen, von denen 'Der letzte Mohikaner' der bekannteste ist.


http://nativeamericanofferings.com/detail.asp?product_id=0599-MUS

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Gio de Carlo is a Kiowa Indian from Oklahoma. His music has received numerous accolades with a Grammy award win for his album 'Sacred Ground'

Übersetzung: Gio de Carlo ist ein Kiowa-Indianer aus Oklahoma. Seine Musik hat zahlreiche Auszeichnungen erhalten wie einen Grammy für sein Album 'Sacred Ground'

http://www.medicinewheelgathering.nl/2007/TdomBah.htm

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Hij is Native American Award winnaar en Grammy Award genomineerde. Bekend van cd’s o.a. Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground en Memories from a Past.
Daarnaast heeft hij muziek geschreven en gespeeld voor films waaronder o.a. “Last of the Mohicans” en diverse tv programma’s.
Tdom Bah heeft opgetreden met artiesten van wereldfaam zoals; BB King, Carlos Santana en Paul Simon.

Übersetzung: Er ist Gewinner des Native American Award und war für den Grammy nominiert. Er wurde bekannt mit CDs wie Sacred Spirit, Sacred Ground und Memories from a Past. Danach hat er für Filme wie 'Der letzte Mohikaner' und diverse TV-Programme die Musik geschrieben und gespielt. Tdom Bah ist mit weltbekannten Künstlern wie B.B. King, Carlos Santana und Paul Simon aufgetreten.




Zu de Carlos Behauptung, Urheber der CD 'Sacred 'Spirit' zu sein:

Sacred Spirit wurde von dem deutschen Musiker Claus Zundel aufgenommen – das CD-Cover ist offenbar dasselbe wie im oben angegebenen Artikel, der die CD allerdings de Carlo zuschreibt. Sacred Spirit hat einen Eintrag in der englischen Wikipedia, der am 27. Februar 2009 geringfügig geändert wurde – von einer Person, die nicht Mitarbeiter von Wikipedia ist. Die Änderung war jedoch inhaltlich bedeutungsvoll:

'Sacred Spirit ist ein Musikprojekt von Claus Zundel' hieß plötzlich: 'Sacred Spirit ist ein Musikprojekt von Tdom Bah'. Diese Version kann in der History des Artikels immer noch eingesehen werden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275197071&oldid=273739224

Die letze Änderung wurde am 5. März 2009 vorgenommen und der korrekte Name wieder eingetragen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Spirit&diff=275196814&oldid=275196214

Auch diese Änderung wurde durch eine anonyme Person und nicht durch einen Mitarbeiter von Wikipedia vorgenommen. Leider wurde dabei der ursprünglich vorhandene Link zum Artikel über Claus Zundel nicht wieder eingefügt.

Jedoch kann man diesem Artikel entnehmen, daß das erste Album 'Sacred Spirit' (1994 von Zundel herausgebracht) tatsächlich für einen Grammy nominiert war:

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The album was nominated for best New Age album Grammy award
(Hervorhebung von mir)
Die Quelle für diese Information ist laut Wikipedia:
http://www.greengalactic.com/sacred_bluesy.html



Weitere Warnung auf der INAFA-Seite:

Die INAFA hat ihre Warnung vor de Carlo aktualisiert, nachdem sie Ende Februar 2009 eine Mail aus Deutschland erhalten haben:

http://worldflutes.org/alertGIO.html

Die Autoren der Mail berichten, daß de Carlo einen in Deutschland registrierten gemeinnützigen eingetragenen Verein benutzt, um Gigs zu buchen, von denen er allein profitiert, und es andererseits mit dem Steuernzahlen nicht so genau nimmt. 


Und eine Notiz von de Carlos Homepage:

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GiLa Music and its members are Native American, as well as Non Native Local performers from the places where we do our presentations, all to bring you a piece of traditions in the form of entertainment, music, dances and workshops from different walks of life of the Native American World (North, Central and South America). All of our items offered (music, flute, drums,crafts) ARE Hand Made by both Natives and Local Non Natives and each item is described by its maker and origin.
GiLa music does not offer as part of its services and/or presentations any Native American Ceremonial events such as Sweat Lodges, Healing Seminars, Shaman Practices and other Esoteric presentations. Our workshops are craft related and intended to teach the participant the art of craft making from ALL of the Americas without any particular label (Such as Lakota, kiowa, etc. Flute making or Ojibwa bead work, etc.). In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world

Offenbar hält de Carlo ein kleines Lippenbekenntnis gegen Zeremonien für angebracht. Dies würde jedoch bedeutend glaubwürdiger rüberkommen, wenn de Carlo nicht Gigs bei bekannten Newage-Veranstaltern durchführen würde (vgl hierzu frühere Beiträge).

Aus dem oben wiedergegebenen Zitat werden mehrere Dinge deutlich:

1 de Carlo bietet Artikel an, die sowohl von Natives wie „örtlichen Non-natives“ hergestellt sein können, d.h. er verkauft alles, was sich zu Geld machen läßt. Wir haben nur seine Zusicherung, daß die Artikel korrekt gekennzeichnet sind, und wie es jemand so treffend formuliert hat: 'Würden Sie von diesem Mann ein gebrauchtes Auto kaufen?'. Natürlich wird uns jemand, der völlig zu Unrecht mit nie erhaltenen Grammies und Nammies prahlt, doch nicht darüber belügen, wer diese echt indianische Flöte nun wirklich hergestellt hat, nicht wahr. (Und wie war doch gleich noch mal die deutsche Bedeutung des von ihm bevorzugten Nick 'Cocolixtle'...?)

2 de Carlo ist offenbar der Meinung, er könnte das Bauen von Flöten '...aus ALLEN amerikanischen [Kulturen] ohne bestimmte Zuschreibung (So wie Lakota, kiowa etc. Flötenbau oder Ojibwa Perlenarbeiten, etc.)“ lehren. Entweder trägt er zum falschen Eindruck bei, es gebe eine generische indianische Kultur und/oder er möchte andeuten, er sei in allen indianischen Kulturen äußerst bewandert.

3 Am schönsten finde ich den letzten Satz:

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In the event that a particular event or workshop includes a member of an specific tribe from any location of the Americas, the expositor would be named from origin and specialty, otherwise it is understood by the participants in that event are part of a multinational group of artist and, in no way to be considered Original Natives from any place in the world
Dies heißt ja nun im Grunde genommen: Wenn Zuschauer zu doof sind, um zu merken, daß wir keinen Indianer mit Namen und Nation genannt haben und meinen, wir sind Indianer, ist das nicht unser Bier. Daß er diese Notiz in einem kleinen Kästchen auf seiner Seite veröffentlicht, mag ihm vielleicht juristische Probleme in Bezug auf seine Tänzer ersparen, nicht jedoch hinsichtlich der Tatsache, daß er sich als Kiowa bzw. Indianer (ohne eine nation dabei zu nennen) ausgibt.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2009, 07:30:31 pm »

Someone posted this link in a German language forum today:

http://www.powwow-freunde.de/home_deu_/Liebe_Mitglieder.pdf

The following is a letter by Ms Jackie Fischer, chairwoman of Powwow-Freunde e.V. [powwow friends], the non-profit organisation working closely with Giovanni de Carlo, published at the site of Powwow-Freunde. Despite their site being bilingual, this letter has only been published in German language:


„Dear members and powwow friends,

recently, two members of our organisation – who were expelled from the organisation due to having effected harm to it by slander – sent a letter to an organisation in the USA (a flute organisation whose aim is not to be discussed here – you may decide for yourself what kind of an organisation this is). In this letter, they mention our organisation cooperates with „The Flute Keeper“. Apparently, the conflict between both parties (The Flute Keeper and this organisation) has been going for some time already. We will not mingle into this conflict, this is something between these two parties.

The reason we are publishing this is to reply to those persons who perhaps received the link to this organisation or read about it in one of the forums. The Flute Organisation has published the letter written by these former members, in which the character of our organisation is being called into question.

I received an E-Mail from the president of that organisation in which I get asked to stop cooperating with „The Flute Keeper“. I answered and told them that, in this country and this organisation, we come to a decision on the basis of what we see and which experience we gather and not according to what others say, especially not persons whom we had never dealt with before and don't know who they are.

In reply, I received the following E-Mail from this lady (who presumably is a doctor):
„We will alert the authorities in Germany and our membership about your dealings with Gio ... You need to rserach thoroughly your artists. It's not difficult! And, we will alert the GRAMMY Awards to his continued fraud, as I am a member of that organization and that specific category. We will not print your home address, as we did not realize it. But, we will advertise that your event supports the likes of Gio. This invalidates your event completely...
Cheers!
Kathleen ;-)“

As you can see clearly, the lady of this Flute Organisation shows she's got no education and she thinks she can tell us what we, at the other end of Earth, should do and what we shouldn't do. The powerlust of this lady goes far beyond the position in her organisation, as she perhaps as a „God“ can devalue events. In our organisation, we do not like threats, especially not from a foreign country. To respect the rights of other persons means peace, and this letter is an insult to my person and those people who I represent as a chairwoman.

Additionally, the lady mixes things as convenient for her, and our powwow is one thing and my business with doing events and concerts, Indian, Aztec, and soon also other cultures [sic! - sentence incomplete]. But what has this got to do with our powwow?

Please read her letter and ask yourself, is this the way a president of an international flute organisation should act like? If this is not aggressiveness, no attack, then I would call this person insane.

Thanks and let us do what we're here for.
With kind regards.....
Jackie Fischer“
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First of all, this is no conflict between two parties, as Ms Fischer prefers to present the issue to the members of her association. INAFA is a honorable, renowned organisation who put up alerts against Giovanni de Carlo because of his business ethics (not paying persons delivering flutes and materials to him, not dispatching flutes customers paid for, posing fraudulently as Native American, fraudulently claiming to have won Grammies and Nammies).

This attempt at a very outdated gunboat diplomacy, Ms Fischer, is quite futile. All you manage to make completely clear is: You prefer to ignore native points of view on de Carlo's machinations and on top of that tell ndns to go … themselves if they criticize frauds and fakes contributing to the further existence of stereotypes about ndns and making a profit from posing as ndns. Your arrogance is completely inappropriate and only presents you as person holding quite racist views (e.g. the one that you, as a white person, of course have the right to define who is Indian, which Indians to believe or not, and to publically denigrate honorable Indian persons while supporting a poser). How you manage to combine such racist attitudes with a purported interest in ndn cultures escapes me.

When you say "to respect other persons means peace" you obviously mean: it's peace when others (= ndns) look up to you. Sorry, but no. In this case, it's not called peace - it's called colonialism. Respect is not only due to yourself while you may denigrate as you please.



German translation:

Zunächst einmal handelt es sich nicht - wie Frau Fischer es gegenüber ihren Vereinsmitgliedern darzustellen beliebt - um einen Konflikt zwischen zwei Parteien. INAFA ist eine seriöse Organisation mit gutem Ruf, die Warnungen vor Giovanni de Carlo aufgrund seines Geschäftsgebarens veröffentlicht haben (er bezahlte von Lieferanten erhaltene Flöten und Materialien nicht, er lieferte bereits bezahlte Ware nicht an Kunden, er gibt sich fälschlicherweise als Native American aus, er behauptet zu Unrecht, mit Grammies und Nammies ausgezeichnet worden zu sein).

Dieser Versuch einer sehr überholten Kanonenbootdiplomatie bring es nicht, Frau Fischer. Was Sie dagegen vollkommen klarstellen ist folgendes: Sie ziehen es vor, indianische Einstellungen zu de Carlos Machenschaften zu ignorieren und zusätzlich sagen sie Indianern, die Kritik an Frauds und Fakes üben, die zur weiteren Verfestigung von Stereotypen beitragen und nur Profit daraus schlagen, sich als Indianer auszugeben, daß sie sich gehackt legen können! Ihre Arroganz ist völlig unangebracht, zeigt Sie jedoch als Person mit rassistischen Einstellungen (z.B. daß Sie als Weiße natürlich das Recht haben zu definieren, wer Indianer ist, welchen Indianern Sie glauben mögen und welchen nicht, und welche ehrenhaften indianischen Personen Sie öffentlich herabsetzen dürfen, während Sie einen Poser unterstützen). Wie Sie es hinbekommen, solche rassistischen Einstellungen mit einem vorgeblichen Interesse an indianischen Kulturen zu verbinden, entzieht sich meinem Verständnis.

Wenn Sie schreiben, andere zu respektieren sei Frieden, meinen Sie offenbar: wenn andere (=Indianer) zu Ihnen aufsehen ist Frieden. Sorry, aber das ist nicht zutreffend. Im vorliegenden Fall nennt man das nicht "Frieden" - sondern Kolonialismus. Respekt ist nicht nur Ihnen zu gewähren, während Sie nach Belieben erniedrigen dürfen.


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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2009, 10:03:16 am »

De Carlo has also published a CD with the title „Cocolixtle“:

http://www.amazon.de/COCOLIXTLE-US-Gio-Carlo/dp/B00005YXBT

Its titles are predominantly in Spanish language:

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1. vigenes del sol 2. alma llanera 3. pajaro chogui 4. el condor pasa 5. el huamanqueño 6. fiesta aymara 7. llorando se fue 8. fina estampa 9. tico tico 10. la flor de la canela 11. pajaro campana 12. la bikina 13. guadalajara 14. moliendo cafe 15. dolaines melodie 16. huayno de la roca 17. recuerdos 18. la paloma 19. la fiesta de san benito 20. naranjita


The tune names seems like he's mixing quite a lot of different NDN peoples to write about.
I think the first one is meant to be "virgenes del sol" or sun virgins, a term used about the Aztecs.
2. "Llanera dawn", the llaneros are the Black/NDN mixedbloods of the Venezuelan plains.
3. "Chogui parrot" the Chogui are a tribe in Central America. 4. the condor is a symbol of many South American tribes.
6. "Aymara festival", Aymara peoples are in Bolivia, Brazil, Peru, and Paraguay.
9. Tico means a Costa Rican.
10. This is a pretty famous Mexican folk song, not necessarily NDN.
19. Saint Benjamin's Festival, a Catholic ceremony.

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Re: Tdom Bah Toden Xkee - does anyone know if he's ok or not?
« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2009, 04:24:40 pm »
From what I've been reading and hearing, it seems de Carlo is claiming to be Kiowa just for "himself". How about de Carlo's family? On any reservation or Indian lands, everyone knows who everyone is just by who their parents and grandparents are. Every time de Carlo says he is Kiowa, then he should be able to say who his mother and father is, his grandmother and grandfather and his relatives. If not, then the Kiowa nation is correct stating that there is no record of him ever being enrolled in their tribe.