Przemyslaw Woliczko alias Matho Eyanka

[epablito]

I am enrolled as 7/8 Standing Rock and 1/8 oglala.

I'm sorry for you, with all the respect I can give. I'd never allow myself to be enrolled anywhere on the basis of my bloodline. This leads to nowhere.

My ancestors, my grandfathers needed to be enrolled as 100% Polish to avoid being killed as Jews. People were examined how much jewish blood they have, to be marked as Jew and sent do death camp or not. 80% of people from my town were killed just because of they blood. And you let yourself to be enrolled somewhere because of your blood. It makes my flesh creeps...

If you really want to participate in rituals of a culture that you were not raised in, it is your responsibility to see if the actual elders and traditionals of that culture, authorized by that culture are ok with it and whether they'll have you.

Elders or traditionals of RECREATED celtic spirituality? Sorry, this is just silly.

You have been told now, multiple times, that imitating these ceremonies is not acceptable, yet you are taking the racist attitude of deciding that the voices of actual Indian people, leaders and elders, do not matter.

You don't listen. As I said, I can only have your website against other websites. I do not argue against Declaration of war or sth, I'm just saying I have your website and other websites and all of this seems to be just fight among angry and silly people. I'm not saying it is so, i'm saying it looks like this.

And stop pissing me off with "rasist attitude".
"Racism - the belief that members of one race are intrinsically superior or inferior to members of other races (wikipedia)". As for now it is you who insult me and keep telling me I'm inferior to others in terms I'm not good enough to use some e.g. purification ceremonies.

To my great sorrow, I have discovered that one of the people who signed off on that statement is ripping off Lakota traditions (ironically, she's Polish).

Now THIS IS racism approach.

Celtic Reconstructionism - go for a walk clear your brain and think about this again. You have no right to think you're more "true" reconstructionists than any other people who recreate Celtic spirituality. Why? Because you've signed sth or keep in touch with native Indians anti-fraud front? This doesn't give you any reason to think you're more "true" than any other Celtic recreation group. No Celtic spirituality elders, no oral spiritual tradition. Some archeological information, evolved and partially recreated language and some books from medieval times with just but traces of Celtic spirituality.

And you keep telling I'm silly or disrespectful...

[ra6as]

 
epablito because of the tragic history of your locality, you have a understandable wish to make no distinction between people on the basis of their ancestry.  That is admirable.

Other people, not sharing your history, may be proud of their ancestry and understandably wish to undertake an action such as enrollment on that basis.  That also is admirable.

Surely it is irrational of you to insist that other people should feel the same way about ancestry as you do.

When you say

I'm sorry for you, with all the respect I can give.

I wonder if you are just trying to make an argumentative and irrational point.
 

[educatedindian]

"You don't listen. As I said, I can only have your website against other websites. I do not argue against Declaration of war or sth, I'm just saying I have your website and other websites and all of this seems to be just fight among angry and silly people. I'm not saying it is so, i'm saying it looks like this."

Actually you are the one is not listening. Or rather you are making the choice to not listen.

The ones who favor selling ceremony to non-Natives are a tiny tiny group, a couple dozen out of millions of Natives.

The ones who protest that small group of sellouts and traitors are the great majority of Natives, led by traditional elders.

You claim to respect Native traditions, but attack Native elders as "silly" for wanting to protect tradition?

Epablito, how right would it be for me to call myself a rabbi because a gentile claiming to be the High Priest of the Holy Torah Kabalah said it was OK?

And how would you feel if anyone Jewish who was offended by this was then attacked as being "silly"?

[earthw7]

I can even reply to his statement, I am an enrolled member of my nation which i am very proud to be.

[Kathryn NicDhàna]

I'm sorry for you, with all the respect I can give. I'd never allow myself to be enrolled anywhere on the basis of my bloodline. This leads to nowhere.

I am sorry your family suffered during the war. But you are looking at this from only your perspective, not making an effort to see that it means something different here in America. And your condescension is not going to help.

If you really want to participate in rituals of a culture that you were not raised in, it is your responsibility to see if the actual elders and traditionals of that culture, authorized by that culture are ok with it and whether they'll have you.

Elders or traditionals of RECREATED celtic spirituality? Sorry, this is just silly.

I was talking about any traditional cultures, but mostly First Nations ones. However, in terms of the G? idhealtachdan agus Gaeltachtaí, yes, we do have real elders in terms of culture and language. In terms of those in reconstructed polytheistic traditions, we have less. But we do have those of us who are middle aged and have been doing this since we were very young, plus participants in our communities who are are as old as eighty (as was one officiant of the Tara preservation ritual this past Oíche Shamhna, who was also raised with many of these cultural traditions we are now reviving). Our community makes do with what we have, and you have shown over and over you know nothing about it.

No Celtic spirituality elders, no oral spiritual tradition.

Again, you are clueless. And your statements to Earth and the other Native people here are quite offensive.

[frederica]

It now is just argument for the sake of argument. The Polish Culture has absolutely no relation to First Nations, American Indians, or the Indigineous Cultures of South America. If a few Ndns decide to pretend to be "rock-star Ndns" and all the time they know this is not approve of, their Nation will have to deal with that. But as Earth says the people who claim adoption, sacred pipes and so on, thats another story. And it can be explained 1000 times and people will hear only what they wish to hear. It doesn't fit their agenda. If the Polish people wish to reinvent their own spirituality, fine. Just do it without  the use of Indigenious people's culture in the Americas. And that is well over 300 Nations. Teaching history is one thing, abusing spiruality is quite another, especialy wheh these people have little to no background. It takes a lifetime.

[matt e]

I have studied intensely many religious beliefs, and customs from around the world. Some of the things being taught by those who do not have the right or knowledge to do so is scary. this is my first post, as I was reading the board, I felt I had to point out something.

  Yes, many cultures around the world had rituals/ceremonies similar to the american indian sweatlodge. No one has denied this. The problem is that the person in question is claiming to do a sweat lodge in the tradition of the american indians, which he has no right to do.

  Yes, if you are celtic, and wish to revive the old ways, then that would be fine. but, being polish, you would not have the right to revive it, as it is part of the celtic peoples history and spirituality.

  In all cultures, in order to be able to practice a ceremony, the person must first be taught by someone from that tradition who themselves learned from another. A person cannot just decide that they are going to become one. Yes, some of the various cultures do share some information about ceremonies, but it is just general information and does not mean you can use it to start performing them. It is the information they do not share that is vital to the ceremonies and without this information, some ceremonies will not work, and some can be very dangerous.
 
 Just because you read the writings, or hang out with a hindu holy man, that does not mean you have the right to go out and start teaching those things to others. Just because a mexican goes to europe and says he has been taught the ways of the feathered serpent and has been authorized to teach it to everyone, does not make it so.

$115 US is not much? lets say he does 3 workshops 1 day each, with a total attendance of 200 people each. that is 115x600=   $69,000 US.  (I think I am in the wrong business    )
That is a lot of money for teaching things that he has neither enough knowledge or the right to be teaching. Using native names for ceremonies, to get people to come to them, even if he is using the name only and the ceremony has nothing to do with the actual native ceremony, is fraud, and taking advantage of people who spend money they do not have, to satisfy a spiritual hunger that these decievers offer to feed. (I know I don't have 115 dollars laying around to waste on something like this)
 
  Now on the referenced website, it claims this person does ceremonies and refers to them as american indian ceremonies, dresses in a tv western indian costume, then claims not to be representing himself as a teacher of their ceremonies?
 
        In this case, the offer to participate in a ceremony from a particular culture is offered, the culture referenced has made the statement "you are not authorized to perform this ceremony, stop doing so".  It is simple,  nothing to misunderstand.