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#11
Research Needed / Re: Kai Pyle
Last post by Advanced Smite - March 27, 2026, 01:17:13 AMTwo screenshots of one of the social media post referenced in the previous post are attached. It's KP claiming to be descended from Mrs. Battise Plant.
#12
Research Needed / Re: Kai Pyle
Last post by Advanced Smite - March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMSomeone sent a message to me about Kai Pyle (KP) when the Kay LeClaire thread was getting significant attention. I didn't look at KP's genealogy and claims until later. In my opinion, there are reasons to question KP's claims. At the same time, I want to be clear that it's possible KP may have distant Native American (NA) ancestry. An anomaly in the documentation is that KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings are marked as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records. I will provide one potential theory below. I want to be transparent up front about that information but emphasize there are big issues with KP's claims. KP has made very specific claims to being Sault Ste Marie and Metis on social media that don't appear to hold up to scrutiny.
KP deleted their social media accounts at some point in time. I will be attaching social media screen shots since the accounts are no longer available to link. I can't attach all the screenshots to one post but will be adding the screenshots as supporting evidence in additional posts over the next day or two.
Sault Ste Marie Anishinaabe Claims
I've attached two screenshots from a FB post in which KP claims to descend from Mrs. Battise Plant on the Sault Ste Marie 1907 Durant Roll. On KP's post, someone helpfully posts a page from a book compiled by Raymond C. Lantz. It is Horace B. Durant's field notes from the development of the 1907 Durant Roll. Durant was tasked with taking the 1870 Payment Roll and determining if the people listed were still alive and if they had descendants.
Durant determined that Mrs. Battise Plant had three children. KP claims in the post that Pauline Plant Lalone is their 2x great-aunt. The problem is that the other two children of Mrs. Battise Plant were reported by Pauline Plant Lalone to have died 23 years ago with no descendants. Pauline Plant Lalone wrote she had one child: Fred Payment. Fred Payment had three children: Sadie, Fred, and Cecil Payment. You don't need to see KP's genealogy to spot immediate issues with what KP is claiming.
It's interesting that KP's 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, and his siblings are listed as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records when records from the previous generation don't seem to corroborate this. Alexander LaPlante's oldest sibling was born in 1835 while he was born in 1848. The 1836 Chippewa and Ottawa Treaty coincided with the birth of Alexander's older sister. $150,000 was negotiated by the tribes for their half breed family members. It was widely covered in the news and fraudulent applications were received. I checked the 1836 Half Breed Payment Roll (those accepted) and didn't find any of KP's ancestors. Some people have tried to link a "Catherine Brodwine" as Alexander's mother...but none of the demographic information matches. I can't definitively explain the birth record anomaly, but the timing is interesting. I'd love it if someone can provide a more definitive answer. The Litte Chute Historical Society has more information about this line: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I423802&tree=lc
Kai Pyle's Genealogy
Below is KP's paternal ancestry. KP claims to be NA through paternal grandmother, Louise Ellen (LaPlante) Pyle. The paternal grandmother is living and remarried with a different surname which I won't be posting. Additional details can be provided to a NAFPS moderator if requested. IMPORTANT - I've found no evidence of KP's paternal grandmother, parents, or sibling claiming to be NA. There are individuals on Ancestry.com, likely distant relatives of KP, trying to prove NA ancestry from certain individuals. I didn't see anything in the Ancestry.com discussion around this issue that changes the overall problems with KP's specific claims. I do believe it's possible KP's family had family lore about being NA but how does that translate to KP making a very specific claim of descent from Mrs. Battise Plant?
KP claims their family has spent time in foster care and orphanages. KP links this to boarding schools and speaks definitively about the children being taken from family due to being NA. In my opinion, this is only partially true. KP's paternal grandmother was in foster care. There is no indication of it being because of NA ancestry. In a social media post, KP claims an article about their paternal grandmother's foster parents praises the foster parents for "taking in sad little Indian foster kids." The actual article from 1953 was easy to find and it doesn't say anything about KP's paternal grandmother being a "sad little Indian foster kid." There's no mention of race at all.
KP's great-aunt and great-uncle were in an orphanage in Green Bay during the 1950 US Federal Census. They are listed as "White" on that census. In contrast, there were multiple children in the orphanage listed as being NA. Why wouldn't KP's great-aunt and great-uncle be listed as NA? KP claimed on social media that someone was in an Oneida boarding school. I didn't specifically look for this record but someone else could check it.
Great-Grandmother, Rose Catherine Keller, was reportedly in an orphanage and then in a foster/adoptive home. This is true but, once again, there's no evidence of it being because of NA ancestry. The reunion of Rose Catherine Keller, listed as Mrs. Clarence La Plante, with her birth mother and sister was covered by the Marshfield News Herald on January 29, 1929. The article contains no mention of the family being NA. Rose Catherine Keller lived with a German foster family and her biological parents appear to be of German ancestry, as well. Please note: Rose Catherine Keller is listed as Mrs. Clarence La Plante (nee Clara La Plante) in the article. "Clara" seems to be an inadvertent error.
Metis Ancestry
I don't usually go past 1800 on these family trees. I can't rule out that KP has an NA ancestor back in the late 1600's or early 1700's but even if KP were to have an ancestor back that far, does it really matter if so many of KP's specific claims aren't verifiable? It appears that all French-Canadian lines go back to Quebec and not Red River. How is KP Metis? Which lines go back to Red River? The Historical Society of Saint-Boniface could assist KP with documentation of their Metis heritage.
Disclaimer
All of this research was done using publicly available information. It is my opinion. There is a lack of clarity on some lines that could lead to a Native American ancestor. The purpose of this research was to verify KP's specific claims - not to find distant ancestry. Please forgive any typos - this was prepared quickly and I couldn't find spell check in the new forum format.
PARENTS OF KAI PYLE
Robert D. Pyle
B: 1960's
D: Living
Jean M. Wichlacz
B: 1960's
D: Living
PARENTS OF ROBERT D. PYLE
James Jerome Pyle
B: 14 AUG 1939 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
D: 20 FEB 1978 – Outagamie County, Wisconsin, USA
Louise Ellen LaPlante
B: 1940 • Wisconsin, USA
D: Living
PARENTS OF LOUISE ELLEN LAPLANTE
Clarence LaPlante
B: 23 MAR 1907 - Door County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 17 FEB 1944 - Green Bay, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Rose Catherine Keller (ALSO KNOWN BY FOSTER FAMILY NAME: ROZIK)
B: 3 FEB 1911 - Marinette County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 19 MAY 1981 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF ROSE CATHERINE KELLER (RAISED BY FOSTER PARENTS - MARY AND ANDREW ROZIK)
Matthew J Keller (FAMILY IS LIKELY GERMAN)
B: 1870 – Wisconsin, USA
D: Unknown
Mary Louise Krause (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 20 DEC 1886 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
D: 15 SEP 1949 - Oconto County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF CLARENCE LAPLANTE
Frank A LaPlant
B: 15 FEB 1874 - Bay Settlement, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 4 DEC 1957 - Racine, Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Frances F Beard (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 21 JUL 1882 - Ellison Bay, Door, Wisconsin, USA
D: 15 FEB 1936 - Sturgeon Bay, Door County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF FRANK A. LAPLANTE
Alexander LaPlante
B: ABT 1848 - Wisconsin, USA
D: 1883
Sophie Douville
B: 17 SEP 1854 - Manitowoc Rapids, Manitowoc, Wisconsin, USA
D: 5 SEP 1934 - Baileys Harbor, Door, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF ALEXANDER LAPLANTE
John Baptiste LaPlante
B: 1792 - Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
D: 1847 - Bay Settlement, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Theotiste Beaudoin
B: 17 NOV 1823 - Mackinac Island, Mackinac, Michigan, USA
D: 5 MAR 1869 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
KP deleted their social media accounts at some point in time. I will be attaching social media screen shots since the accounts are no longer available to link. I can't attach all the screenshots to one post but will be adding the screenshots as supporting evidence in additional posts over the next day or two.
Sault Ste Marie Anishinaabe Claims
I've attached two screenshots from a FB post in which KP claims to descend from Mrs. Battise Plant on the Sault Ste Marie 1907 Durant Roll. On KP's post, someone helpfully posts a page from a book compiled by Raymond C. Lantz. It is Horace B. Durant's field notes from the development of the 1907 Durant Roll. Durant was tasked with taking the 1870 Payment Roll and determining if the people listed were still alive and if they had descendants.
Durant determined that Mrs. Battise Plant had three children. KP claims in the post that Pauline Plant Lalone is their 2x great-aunt. The problem is that the other two children of Mrs. Battise Plant were reported by Pauline Plant Lalone to have died 23 years ago with no descendants. Pauline Plant Lalone wrote she had one child: Fred Payment. Fred Payment had three children: Sadie, Fred, and Cecil Payment. You don't need to see KP's genealogy to spot immediate issues with what KP is claiming.
It's interesting that KP's 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, and his siblings are listed as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records when records from the previous generation don't seem to corroborate this. Alexander LaPlante's oldest sibling was born in 1835 while he was born in 1848. The 1836 Chippewa and Ottawa Treaty coincided with the birth of Alexander's older sister. $150,000 was negotiated by the tribes for their half breed family members. It was widely covered in the news and fraudulent applications were received. I checked the 1836 Half Breed Payment Roll (those accepted) and didn't find any of KP's ancestors. Some people have tried to link a "Catherine Brodwine" as Alexander's mother...but none of the demographic information matches. I can't definitively explain the birth record anomaly, but the timing is interesting. I'd love it if someone can provide a more definitive answer. The Litte Chute Historical Society has more information about this line: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I423802&tree=lc
Kai Pyle's Genealogy
Below is KP's paternal ancestry. KP claims to be NA through paternal grandmother, Louise Ellen (LaPlante) Pyle. The paternal grandmother is living and remarried with a different surname which I won't be posting. Additional details can be provided to a NAFPS moderator if requested. IMPORTANT - I've found no evidence of KP's paternal grandmother, parents, or sibling claiming to be NA. There are individuals on Ancestry.com, likely distant relatives of KP, trying to prove NA ancestry from certain individuals. I didn't see anything in the Ancestry.com discussion around this issue that changes the overall problems with KP's specific claims. I do believe it's possible KP's family had family lore about being NA but how does that translate to KP making a very specific claim of descent from Mrs. Battise Plant?
KP claims their family has spent time in foster care and orphanages. KP links this to boarding schools and speaks definitively about the children being taken from family due to being NA. In my opinion, this is only partially true. KP's paternal grandmother was in foster care. There is no indication of it being because of NA ancestry. In a social media post, KP claims an article about their paternal grandmother's foster parents praises the foster parents for "taking in sad little Indian foster kids." The actual article from 1953 was easy to find and it doesn't say anything about KP's paternal grandmother being a "sad little Indian foster kid." There's no mention of race at all.
KP's great-aunt and great-uncle were in an orphanage in Green Bay during the 1950 US Federal Census. They are listed as "White" on that census. In contrast, there were multiple children in the orphanage listed as being NA. Why wouldn't KP's great-aunt and great-uncle be listed as NA? KP claimed on social media that someone was in an Oneida boarding school. I didn't specifically look for this record but someone else could check it.
Great-Grandmother, Rose Catherine Keller, was reportedly in an orphanage and then in a foster/adoptive home. This is true but, once again, there's no evidence of it being because of NA ancestry. The reunion of Rose Catherine Keller, listed as Mrs. Clarence La Plante, with her birth mother and sister was covered by the Marshfield News Herald on January 29, 1929. The article contains no mention of the family being NA. Rose Catherine Keller lived with a German foster family and her biological parents appear to be of German ancestry, as well. Please note: Rose Catherine Keller is listed as Mrs. Clarence La Plante (nee Clara La Plante) in the article. "Clara" seems to be an inadvertent error.
Metis Ancestry
I don't usually go past 1800 on these family trees. I can't rule out that KP has an NA ancestor back in the late 1600's or early 1700's but even if KP were to have an ancestor back that far, does it really matter if so many of KP's specific claims aren't verifiable? It appears that all French-Canadian lines go back to Quebec and not Red River. How is KP Metis? Which lines go back to Red River? The Historical Society of Saint-Boniface could assist KP with documentation of their Metis heritage.
Disclaimer
All of this research was done using publicly available information. It is my opinion. There is a lack of clarity on some lines that could lead to a Native American ancestor. The purpose of this research was to verify KP's specific claims - not to find distant ancestry. Please forgive any typos - this was prepared quickly and I couldn't find spell check in the new forum format.
PARENTS OF KAI PYLE
Robert D. Pyle
B: 1960's
D: Living
Jean M. Wichlacz
B: 1960's
D: Living
PARENTS OF ROBERT D. PYLE
James Jerome Pyle
B: 14 AUG 1939 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
D: 20 FEB 1978 – Outagamie County, Wisconsin, USA
Louise Ellen LaPlante
B: 1940 • Wisconsin, USA
D: Living
PARENTS OF LOUISE ELLEN LAPLANTE
Clarence LaPlante
B: 23 MAR 1907 - Door County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 17 FEB 1944 - Green Bay, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Rose Catherine Keller (ALSO KNOWN BY FOSTER FAMILY NAME: ROZIK)
B: 3 FEB 1911 - Marinette County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 19 MAY 1981 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF ROSE CATHERINE KELLER (RAISED BY FOSTER PARENTS - MARY AND ANDREW ROZIK)
Matthew J Keller (FAMILY IS LIKELY GERMAN)
B: 1870 – Wisconsin, USA
D: Unknown
Mary Louise Krause (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 20 DEC 1886 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
D: 15 SEP 1949 - Oconto County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF CLARENCE LAPLANTE
Frank A LaPlant
B: 15 FEB 1874 - Bay Settlement, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 4 DEC 1957 - Racine, Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Frances F Beard (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 21 JUL 1882 - Ellison Bay, Door, Wisconsin, USA
D: 15 FEB 1936 - Sturgeon Bay, Door County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF FRANK A. LAPLANTE
Alexander LaPlante
B: ABT 1848 - Wisconsin, USA
D: 1883
Sophie Douville
B: 17 SEP 1854 - Manitowoc Rapids, Manitowoc, Wisconsin, USA
D: 5 SEP 1934 - Baileys Harbor, Door, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF ALEXANDER LAPLANTE
John Baptiste LaPlante
B: 1792 - Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
D: 1847 - Bay Settlement, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Theotiste Beaudoin
B: 17 NOV 1823 - Mackinac Island, Mackinac, Michigan, USA
D: 5 MAR 1869 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
#14
Research Needed / Re: Kai Pyle
Last post by Sandy S - March 26, 2026, 11:29:41 PMI did work up their genealogy.
I'm just a random person on line. I suggest that folks ask Kai Pyle who their specific claimed Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis people are.
https://whereareyourkeys.org/wayk-summer-team-introduction-kai-pyle/
https://conservancy.umn.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/26ddca47-fbf1-4b35-891c-3c2218644cc4/content
The above quote helped me verify what I was working on.
I do see Polish descent. That is on their maternal grandmother's side.
Their paternal grandmother's side is not at all as they describe.
I find this to be a depressing case. Kai Pyle is young. I don't know why they are claiming Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis. I could be missing something, but I don't think so. And no one should have to work up their genealogy. They need to be able to easily talk about their claimed people and communities.
I'm just a random person on line. I suggest that folks ask Kai Pyle who their specific claimed Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis people are.
QuoteAs a Baawiting Nishnaabe, Métis, and Polish-American descendant, I first became interested in learning my heritage languages (mainly Polish, Michif, and Ojibwe) when I was 14 years old. One of my grandmothers grew up speaking Polish, while the other had been raised in foster care and didn't know any of her family's Michif, Ojibwe, and Métis French languages.
https://whereareyourkeys.org/wayk-summer-team-introduction-kai-pyle/
QuoteFinally, I want to acknowledge my family: my mother Jean and father Bob, my.
sister Shannon—who I have more in common with as a fellow educator than I ever would
have imagined—and my grandmothers Louise and Diane, who remain ever-formidable
presences in my family
https://conservancy.umn.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/26ddca47-fbf1-4b35-891c-3c2218644cc4/content
The above quote helped me verify what I was working on.
I do see Polish descent. That is on their maternal grandmother's side.
Their paternal grandmother's side is not at all as they describe.
I find this to be a depressing case. Kai Pyle is young. I don't know why they are claiming Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis. I could be missing something, but I don't think so. And no one should have to work up their genealogy. They need to be able to easily talk about their claimed people and communities.
#15
Research Needed / Kai Pyle
Last post by sturgeon - March 26, 2026, 02:21:02 PMHi. I am wondering if anyone here has any information about Kai Pyle. They are a professor at the Univerisity of Wisconsin Madison and claim Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis. I have had a few people ask me about them.
#16
Frauds / Re: Julia Ann Kern AKA Sweet M...
Last post by Sandy S - March 24, 2026, 08:15:50 PMBirthplaces of her 16 great great grandparents:
1 Germany
1 Ireland
4 French Quebec
The rest born NY, PA, OH, IN.
Her parents' memorials, both with full obits:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191850219/charles_e-kern
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/289131971/jean_l-kern
No mention in obits of Choctaw or related anything.
Everyone white in census and other records back through those great great grandparents.
1 Germany
1 Ireland
4 French Quebec
The rest born NY, PA, OH, IN.
Her parents' memorials, both with full obits:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191850219/charles_e-kern
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/289131971/jean_l-kern
No mention in obits of Choctaw or related anything.
Everyone white in census and other records back through those great great grandparents.
#17
Frauds / Re: Julia Ann Kern AKA Sweet M...
Last post by Sandy S - March 24, 2026, 08:03:19 PMShe continues lying and profiting off of her false claims:
QuoteSweet Medicine Nation is a Chickasaw/Choctaw/French/Irish artist, educator, and healer based in Oregon, dedicated to Indigenous education and nature connection.
QuoteHouse of Flowers
Sacred Choctaw Women's Initiation
QuotePlanet guardians are moving into positions and bringing with it today a closure/end in the Choctaw ways!
QuoteIn the Choctaw frequencies of this 14th day we look at our Sacred Intentions
QuoteThe Choctaw tradition that is required of me to share is now showing up all the right places.
Everything is alive and has a vibrations of frequency.
QuoteSweet Medicine's Choctaw 20 Count class is now available! Learn this ancient way of denoting meaning, places, times and locations in symbol form, and how it relates to your life.
QuoteWe follow the traditions of indigenous people, led by Sweet Medicine Nation of Chickasaw Choctaw Heritage, a mixed blood and was given permission through the rights of passage in her elders to be a wisdom keeper, ceremonial list, and rights of passage leader.
#18
Frauds / Re: Julia Ann Kern AKA Sweet M...
Last post by Sandy S - March 24, 2026, 07:54:38 PMHere we are in 2026 and Sweet Medicine Nation is still very active.
https://www.sweetmedicinenation.com/
https://fwfoundation.com/
Web sites and social media are kept updated.
Four Winds Foundation corporation in Oregon continues.
Her parents bought the land at 11261 SW Tract O Ln, Camp Sherman, OR.
Still refers to Erik Gonzalez's operation Earth People United as a "sister community".
Tom "Yellow Robe" Mann continues as her business partner and provider of pseudo-Lakota whatevers.
She continues to falsely claim heritage.
https://www.sweetmedicinenation.com/
https://fwfoundation.com/
Web sites and social media are kept updated.
Four Winds Foundation corporation in Oregon continues.
Her parents bought the land at 11261 SW Tract O Ln, Camp Sherman, OR.
Still refers to Erik Gonzalez's operation Earth People United as a "sister community".
Tom "Yellow Robe" Mann continues as her business partner and provider of pseudo-Lakota whatevers.
She continues to falsely claim heritage.
#19
Frauds / Re: Shannon Marie Hare AKA Sha...
Last post by Sandy S - March 23, 2026, 02:11:01 PMHer current bio on Facebook:
She frequently changes her heritage claims. Very frequently.
One of her zillion claims over time is that her father is extraterrestrial and her mother is half extraterrestrial.
In the world of facts, her maternal grandfather has Polish heritage.
So Sierra Neblina is 3/4 extraterrestrial and 1/4 Polish. Or not.
QuoteAbout Sierra
Author, Intimacy Coach, Spiritual Tour Guide, Life Coach, Phoenix Fire Woman, Mystic, Muse
She frequently changes her heritage claims. Very frequently.
One of her zillion claims over time is that her father is extraterrestrial and her mother is half extraterrestrial.
In the world of facts, her maternal grandfather has Polish heritage.
So Sierra Neblina is 3/4 extraterrestrial and 1/4 Polish. Or not.
#20
Frauds / Re: Jeremy Gordon & Native Ame...
Last post by educatedindian - March 22, 2026, 11:51:42 PMQuote from: Sandy S on March 21, 2026, 10:47:14 PMSome event photos uploaded here. (sign in to view)
For outsiders or newcomers, his version of ceremony is not even remotely close to actual vision quests. It is not for adults and certainly not crowds of them and certainly not crowds of naive whites who paid huge amounts of money and who do not know any better how phony it all is.
The other post shows Gordon ripping off a Native artist depicting a Sundance. Which leads me to wonder if Gordon is doing his fake version of a Sundance, which could be incredibly dangerous. A person could easily be permanently scarred, lose use of limbs, or even die shock or asphyxiation if the ceremony was done by someone untrained or poorly trained.