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Title: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: kenndeigh on August 16, 2014, 12:49:40 pm
Greetings All,

Thank you for adding me to the group. I look forward to many fine conversations.

My ancestors hail from Ireland, Germany, Wales, Scotland, England and the Middle East, with one great grandmother from the mountains of Kentucky, who was Cherokee.

My ancestors have blessed me with many gifts, beyond the gift of life. I am very fortunate to have a healthy and thriving family and to be doing work that I find fulfilling and which provides service to my community. I work to help my clients heal their soul level wounds, and to reconnect them with their ancestral and celestial souls. I call this work post-tribal shamanism, because there is no other word that adequately describes what I do, but I want to honor the work of tribal shamans and not claim to be passing on their teachings.

If you are interested in taking a look, my website is www.shamanstouch.com

May your ancestors bless your journey,

Kenn Day
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Sturmboe on August 16, 2014, 01:14:43 pm
I read you page ....

und bei mir schrillen sämtliche Alarmglocken ...

and all my warning bells are schrilling ...
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: earthw7 on August 16, 2014, 01:24:03 pm
So hi and welcome

i guess the i would start with who is your grandma?  Who are your Cherokee family?
Are you enrolled or is your grandmother enrolled? Where at and what Rolls are you on?
Who gave you the right to do this?
Who trained you?
In Native culture we have a right to ask these questions.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 04:52:55 pm
Kenn, please read the main page of the website and all the pinned threads.

You do understand we are not a place to advertise shameon services, yes? And that we are a site dedicated to fighting cultural misappropriation, misrepresentation and pay to pray, yes?
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 04:56:01 pm
Just the title is offensive, Kenn. "Post-tribal"... the tribes still exist and have their own ways. That title gives off a serious vibe of putting Natives dead in the past so their cultures can be pillaged.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 05:03:59 pm
Statement from a representative of the Cherokee Nation: http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/Articles2001/RLAllen-CherokeeStatement-Shamans.htm


Psuedo Shamans Cherokee Statement

By Richard L. Allen, EdD
Research & Policy Analyst Cherokee Nation

Copyright © 2001 RLAllen
All Rights Reserved

Greetings:

            The Cherokee Nation is overwhelmed with those charlatans who fraudulently claim to be shaman, spiritual leaders or descendents of a Cherokee princess. Such individuals make such claims without ever having lived within the Cherokee communities. They claim to be descended from some nebulous and mysterious ancestor who was from "a reservation in North Carolina" (there is only one) or "a reservation in Oklahoma" (there are none). The ancestor is never just a plain ordinary everyday Cherokee citizen but a "Cherokee Princess," a "Cherokee Shaman," or a "Cherokee Pipe carrier" none of which actually exist or ever have. Those who claim to be "shaman" do not reside within the known boundaries of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma.

            Cherokee medicine people and spiritual leaders are known to the Cherokee people and do not practice medicine for a fee nor sell "shamanic" lessons to anyone. They do not advertise their services through any form of media and certainly not over the internet. Traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders provide their services to the Cherokee people. A Cherokee medicine person or spiritual leader is fluent in the Cherokee language and would conduct any medical or spiritual practices by using the Cherokee language. Therefore, our medicine people are those who were born of a Cherokee mother and a Cherokee father and would have been reared within a Cherokee community speaking the Cherokee language. Our traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders are humble people and would not present themselves as such nor "hang out a shingle" so to speak. Cherokee medicine people are acknowledged and recognized by members of the Cherokee community as effective healers and leaders. It is the recognition of the Cherokee people that validates these persons as medicine people and healers not self-proclaimation. We may provide them small gifts, a token amount of money or foodstuffs in payment for their services. They do not charge for their services nor would they withhold their services when asked and they certainly would not prescibe payment by credit card. Cherokee medicine people may provide services to recognized members of other tribes or may provide services to non-Indians who would seek them out for treatment, but certainly would not mix their spirituality or medicine with that of other nations. Cherokee medicine and spiritual practices do not include tarot cards, palmistry, psychic readings or sweatlodge ceremonies.

            One may assume that anyone claiming to be a Cherokee "shaman, spiritual healer, or pipe- carrier," is equivalent to a modern day medicine show and snake-oil vendor. You have my permission to print this response as is.

            Richard L. Allen. EdD
            Research & Policy Analyst
            Cherokee Nation
            P.O. Box 948
            Tahlequah, Oklahoma 74465
            E-Mail: rallen@cherokee.org
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: RedRightHand on August 16, 2014, 05:06:27 pm
Greetings All,

Thank you for adding me to the group. I look forward to many fine conversations.

My ancestors hail from Ireland, Germany, Wales, Scotland, England and the Middle East, with one great grandmother from the mountains of Kentucky, who was Cherokee.

My ancestors have blessed me with many gifts, beyond the gift of life. I am very fortunate to have a healthy and thriving family and to be doing work that I find fulfilling and which provides service to my community. I work to help my clients heal their soul level wounds, and to reconnect them with their ancestral and celestial souls. I call this work post-tribal shamanism, because there is no other word that adequately describes what I do, but I want to honor the work of tribal shamans and not claim to be passing on their teachings.

If you are interested in taking a look, my website is www.shamanstouch.com

May your ancestors bless your journey,

Kenn Day

Wow.

He's leading eclectic, pretendian, nuage sweats. FRAUD.

http://shamanstouch.blogspot.com/search/label/sweat%20lodge
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: JeelyPiece on August 16, 2014, 06:13:08 pm
Greetings All,

Thank you for adding me to the group. I look forward to many fine conversations.

My ancestors hail from Ireland, Germany, Wales, Scotland, England and the Middle East, with one great grandmother from the mountains of Kentucky, who was Cherokee.

My ancestors have blessed me with many gifts, beyond the gift of life. I am very fortunate to have a healthy and thriving family and to be doing work that I find fulfilling and which provides service to my community. I work to help my clients heal their soul level wounds, and to reconnect them with their ancestral and celestial souls. I call this work post-tribal shamanism, because there is no other word that adequately describes what I do, but I want to honor the work of tribal shamans and not claim to be passing on their teachings.

If you are interested in taking a look, my website is www.shamanstouch.com

May your ancestors bless your journey,

Kenn Day

Wow.

He's leading eclectic, pretendian, nuage sweats. FRAUD.

http://shamanstouch.blogspot.com/search/label/sweat%20lodge

I tried visiting the link but my browser warned me there's malware there. Don't know if that's true or not, but thought people should know.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Sturmboe on August 16, 2014, 06:23:53 pm
Two other homepages

http://www.soulsolutionshome.com/index.html

http://www.bodyandsoulcincinnati.com/
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Smart Mule on August 16, 2014, 06:49:26 pm
"In acknowledging my calling and taking the step of putting “shaman” on my business card, I was putting myself in a vulnerable place. There are a number of folks who hold a very ridged  view that no one who is not a native member of a tribal culture, actively practicing a traditional form of shamanism within that culture, should use the term “shaman” to define their work. This is a matter of both semantics and of cultural appropriation. My intention has always been to clearly state that what I am doing in not from tribal or indigenous sources, in spite of the many commonalities. I can’t do anything about the discomfort they many have with the semantics. This must have done the trick, because I have had little to no problem with such people. I’ve even had one notable advocate for tribal rights tell me that, “what you do is different. We don’t have a problem with that.” I guess this is why I don’t show up on any of the “plastic shaman” lists on the internet." http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/ (http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/)

Hm.  So you claim Cherokee and you state that a notable tribal advocate for tribal rights (who would that be?) yet you don't seem to understand that what you are doing is wrong.  You talk about integrity on your blog but in my opinion, from looking at your site, that you are sincerely lacking in that department.  You are using bits and pieces of ceremony and tradition that are not yours to take.  That my friend, is stealing.  So.  Now you are here on a website devoted to exposing people like yourself.  What makes you different or special?
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 07:22:40 pm
Thread on Harner Shameonism, which is based solely on outsider anthros fantasies and misunderstandings of Native American ways, thrown into a blender and sold to non-Natives: www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=236

You can call it whatever you want, Kenn, that doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is clearly stolen from your fantasies of Native people's ways, and misrepresented as something you and other white people have some right to. Then by doing spiritual tourism to the Celtic Nations, you are doubly colonial: you are attempting to colonize Native traditions and misappropriate them for profit, then you are taking these fraudulent ceremonies to Nations that already have a fragile state of affairs regarding tradition, who are also in danger of having their ancestral traditions damaged and replaced by outsider fantasies. This makes it twice as egregious as if you'd just stayed in America.

From: http://shamanstouch.blogspot.com/search/label/sweat%20lodge

Selling "Vision Quests" and pretendian sweats:

"But this quality of vagary predated the vision quest as well. Going into it, I realized that I have never led anyone else into this particular process before. I've been teaching shamanic practices since the early 90's, but none of my apprentices have gotten to this point before. (And I'm quite impressed with these two for having made it!) So there was a lot of consideration that went into just how this was going to work. On the one hand, there are no clear parameters for what constitutes a "vision quest" outside of particular medicine societies. So I had to look at my own experiences (should have asked GrandFather) and come up with something that was workable. Then I began thinking, "this is not a coming of age ritual. These are sovereign adults. They should make their own choices about what elements they will include." And so I began drawing back from the role of "teacher" into more of a facilitator position for their process. "
...
"I move into this state using something I call Medicine Body."
...
"Each round of stones is a deepening as well,"
...
"Sunday, August 3, 2008
"Blood, Sweat and Community
"I am just returning from teaching a weekend workshop on ceremonies, which climaxed with a sweat lodge on Saturday night."
...
"the spirits that come to us through the heated stones, offering us healing, blessings and medicine teachings."
...
 "Unlike so many other lodges we've built, this one is semi-permanent and will be available for us to do many more sweats, which will also increase the opportunities for those apprentices who want to learn the roles of Firetender, Doorkeeper and Pourer."


All of that very clearly describes pretendian ceremonies, for sale, to other white people. It's not from any Celtic or other Euro culture, it's not from any of your real or alleged ancestors, and it's not Cherokee.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: RedRightHand on August 16, 2014, 07:35:55 pm
Kenn wrote:
'"I guess this is why I don’t show up on any of the “plastic shaman” lists on the internet."' http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/ (http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/)

That's only because no one noticed you. There's still time  :D
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 09:08:20 pm
http://members.nuvox.net/~zt.enki/workshops.htm

"If you are interested in having Kenn offer a workshop in your area, please contact him at kenn@shamanstouch.com
Ceremonies
Will include pipe ceremony and sweat lodge."

If you click on "more info" about the pipe ceremony and sweat lodge, it opens a window where you can email kenn.

http://www.shamanstouch.com/post.html
"Ceremonies
The role of the Shaman often includes the creation and direction of ritual and ceremonies to support the people they work with, to provide healing, realization, movement or to express gratitude. This workshop introduces the fundamentals of these practices and focuses on the creation and use of the sweat lodge along with a pipe ceremony."

And here, he combines his pipe smoking with drinking alcohol:

http://shamanstouch.blogspot.com/2008/10/vision-quest-aftermath.html

"I just got back early this week from a vision quest that lasted from Friday afternoon to Monday morning and I've been trying to write about it with no success. At first it was the lack of verbal thoughts, which persisted all of Monday and a bit into Tuesday morning. Having spent some time out on the front porch with my pipe and a wee dram, things are a bit more clear now."

Not to mention the plastic paddyism of "wee dram." It's just embarrassing when Americans talk like that.

(Or whatever you were attempting with that, such as fake Scottish or fake twee English. Note for friends who don't know: a "wee dram" is taking a shot of an alcoholic beverage.)
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Smart Mule on August 16, 2014, 09:23:54 pm
"I first met Grandfather years ago, when I was still not sure what sort of path I was on, long before I officially became a shaman.  He was first just an undefined presence that showed up when I would meditate.  Gradually he took on the shape of an old Native American man with long, gray-white hair.  As I recall, he spent the first several years of our relationship just laughing at me.  He would make suggestions.  I would ignore them.  I would wind up doing something stupid instead, and he would laugh at me.  It got to be rather predictable."  From Dance of Stones: A Shamanic Roadtrip, Chapter 7

So this stereotypical "Native American" grandfather...he speaks to you in english?  He never told you what Nation he's from?  Do you think he's laughing really really hard right now?  Do you realize how ridiculous your claim is?  It's really really ridiculous.  What's the matter, the ceremonial magic gig didn't pay enough so you turned to appropriation?
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: kenndeigh on August 16, 2014, 09:37:47 pm
Apparently some of you didn't actually bother to read what I wrote in my introduction. Allow me to make it a bit easier for you.
• I make no claims to be presenting native teachings. In fact, OUT OF RESPECT for these tribal teachings, I coined the term "post-tribal" to differentiate what I do from ingininous teachings.
• The fact that my great grandmother happened to be Cherokee is simply a fact of genetics. I made no attempt to claim tribal membership, and have never tried to represent my teachings as connected with any tribal teaching.
• While I have studied with a number of indiginous teachers, from South America, Tibet, China, Africa and the Middle East, I do not pass on those teachings, but only the ones received from my own spirit allies, in the best shamanic tradition. My primary mentor is Elisheva Nesher, Shofet of the Am Ha Eretz tradition, a reconstruction of pre-diasporic Hebrew earth spirituality.
• I find it interesting that in my meetings with native practitioners, I have never encountered such vitriolic and attacking behavior as I see here in only a few short hours. I have had good, respectful exchanges with a traditional Mongolian shaman/ness, a Zulu Sangoma, a Quero elder, Taino elder/teacher and Tibetan Bon teachers – all of whom are open-hearted and open-minded about the need of those people not raised in a tribal setting to find their own ways to connect with their ancestors, the earth, their souls and spirit in general. This is a universal human need, and the "shaman" is a response to this need.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 09:45:41 pm
Jewish pipe ceremony? Jewish sweat lodge? Really....

Apparently some of you didn't actually bother to read what I wrote in my introduction. Allow me to make it a bit easier for you.
• I make no claims to be presenting native teachings. In fact, OUT OF RESPECT for these tribal teachings, I coined the term "post-tribal" to differentiate what I do from ingininous teachings.
• The fact that my great grandmother happened to be Cherokee is simply a fact of genetics. I made no attempt to claim tribal membership, and have never tried to represent my teachings as connected with any tribal teaching.
• While I have studied with a number of indiginous teachers, from South America, Tibet, China, Africa and the Middle East, I do not pass on those teachings, but only the ones received from my own spirit allies, in the best shamanic tradition. My primary mentor is Elisheva Nesher, Shofet of the Am Ha Eretz tradition, a reconstruction of pre-diasporic Hebrew earth spirituality.
• I find it interesting that in my meetings with native practitioners, I have never encountered such vitriolic and attacking behavior as I see here in only a few short hours. I have had good, respectful exchanges with a traditional Mongolian shaman/ness, a Zulu Sangoma, a Quero elder, Taino elder/teacher and Tibetan Bon teachers – all of whom are open-hearted and open-minded about the need of those people not raised in a tribal setting to find their own ways to connect with their ancestors, the earth, their souls and spirit in general. This is a universal human need, and the "shaman" is a response to this need.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: kenndeigh on August 16, 2014, 09:46:21 pm
LOL! When I was told of this group, I was quite supportive of the need to police the actual practices of those claiming to practice shamanism. It is all too easy to find those who take on such things without proper training or precautions. I didn't believe it when the website was characterized to me as "lacking any integrity" and "just interested in attacking anything on their radar". SO I gave it a shot. What I find is that, at least for those who have chimed in, they were bang on the mark. How disappointing.

Kathryn - you forgot to post another part of what is on my website. Here, allow me.

"It is not the purpose of these workshops to pass on teachings of any indigenous tribe or in anyway take on the cultural trappings of other peoples. We honor those who come before us, and those who walk other paths. This is a path rooted in and directed to the experience of modern humans in the post-tribal society in which most of us have been raised. Further, attending these workshops will not make you a shaman. Most who choose to particiapate do so because of the enrichment the teachings bring to their lives, not because they plan to use these techniques in service to others. Becoming a shaman requires that you are called to the path, that you receive adequate training and effective initiation."

But that wouldn't jive with your projections, would it.

How sad it is that you feel it necessary to attack anyone wondering in to introduce themselves. May your ancestors look on you and see your hearts clearly.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Smart Mule on August 16, 2014, 09:49:43 pm
Apparently some of you didn't actually bother to read what I wrote in my introduction. Allow me to make it a bit easier for you.

Yes, I did read what you wrote in your introduction.  Did you take the time to read what we are about?

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• I make no claims to be presenting native teachings. In fact, OUT OF RESPECT for these tribal teachings, I coined the term "post-tribal" to differentiate what I do from ingininous teachings.

You don't?  You don't talk about doing pipe ceremony, sweat lodge and vision quests?

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• The fact that my great grandmother happened to be Cherokee is simply a fact of genetics. I made no attempt to claim tribal membership, and have never tried to represent my teachings as connected with any tribal teaching.

My great grandmother happened to be a gnome.  Really.  It's true because I said so.  I don't claim anything gnomish so it's okay.  But I claim gnomish.

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• While I have studied with a number of indiginous teachers, from South America, Tibet, China, Africa and the Middle East, I do not pass on those teachings, but only the ones received from my own spirit allies, in the best shamanic tradition. My primary mentor is Elisheva Nesher, Shofet of the Am Ha Eretz tradition, a reconstruction of pre-diasporic Hebrew earth spirituality.

Who are all of these indigenous teachers?  Spirit allies?  They tell you it's okay to appropriate?  I'll bet they're doing that laughing thing the stereotypical tribeless grandfather does.

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• I find it interesting that in my meetings with native practitioners, I have never encountered such vitriolic and attacking behavior as I see here in only a few short hours. I have had good, respectful exchanges with a traditional Mongolian shaman/ness, a Zulu Sangoma, a Quero elder, Taino elder/teacher and Tibetan Bon teachers – all of whom are open-hearted and open-minded about the need of those people not raised in a tribal setting to find their own ways to connect with their ancestors, the earth, their souls and spirit in general. This is a universal human need, and the "shaman" is a response to this need.

I find it interesting that in meeting with white people, I have never encountered such entitlement and obnoxious behavior.  I have had good, respectful exchanges with white people - many of whom are open-hearted and open-minded about the issue of appropriation and white privilege.  Appropriation and white privilege is a universal issue and this site is a response to this need.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Smart Mule on August 16, 2014, 09:55:05 pm

"It is not the purpose of these workshops to pass on teachings of any indigenous tribe or in anyway take on the cultural trappings of other peoples. We honor those who come before us, and those who walk other paths. This is a path rooted in and directed to the experience of modern humans in the post-tribal society in which most of us have been raised. Further, attending these workshops will not make you a shaman. Most who choose to particiapate do so because of the enrichment the teachings bring to their lives, not because they plan to use these techniques in service to others. Becoming a shaman requires that you are called to the path, that you receive adequate training and effective initiation."

But that wouldn't jive with your projections, would it.

How sad it is that you feel it necessary to attack anyone wondering in to introduce themselves. May your ancestors look on you and see your hearts clearly.

Cultural TRAPPINGS?  Ceremony is not a trapping, it is something that is sacred.  You don't get it.  YOU APPROPRIATE AND PROFIT FROM PIPE CEREMONY, SWEAT LODGE and VISION QUEST.  That is wrong.  That is commodifying something that does not belong to you.  I personally am not projecting anything on anyone.  I've perused the information about you on the internet and I don't find any of it remotely respectful.  Call your trappings what you will, you are a thief.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 16, 2014, 09:58:28 pm
And, like so many arrogant drama queens before him, Ken(n) has flounced.
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: JeelyPiece on August 16, 2014, 10:12:41 pm
Apparently some of you didn't actually bother to read what I wrote in my introduction. Allow me to make it a bit easier for you.
• I make no claims to be presenting native teachings. In fact, OUT OF RESPECT for these tribal teachings, I coined the term "post-tribal" to differentiate what I do from ingininous teachings.
• The fact that my great grandmother happened to be Cherokee is simply a fact of genetics. I made no attempt to claim tribal membership, and have never tried to represent my teachings as connected with any tribal teaching.
• While I have studied with a number of indiginous teachers, from South America, Tibet, China, Africa and the Middle East, I do not pass on those teachings, but only the ones received from my own spirit allies, in the best shamanic tradition. My primary mentor is Elisheva Nesher, Shofet of the Am Ha Eretz tradition, a reconstruction of pre-diasporic Hebrew earth spirituality.
• I find it interesting that in my meetings with native practitioners, I have never encountered such vitriolic and attacking behavior as I see here in only a few short hours. I have had good, respectful exchanges with a traditional Mongolian shaman/ness, a Zulu Sangoma, a Quero elder, Taino elder/teacher and Tibetan Bon teachers – all of whom are open-hearted and open-minded about the need of those people not raised in a tribal setting to find their own ways to connect with their ancestors, the earth, their souls and spirit in general. This is a universal human need, and the "shaman" is a response to this need.

So out of "respect" for these traditional teachings you've made up sweatlodges and pipe ceremonies that are in no way inspired by Native American traditions, aside from the fact that that's pretty much the only place you find them?

You came up with these ideas all on your own, with no knowledge of their existence? (I doubt it.) So you faked up your ceremonies instead.

Or wait, it's not Native American sweatlodges you're not imitating (honest!), it's Irish teach allais, right?

Or you think it's OK to take sacred ceremonies from other peoples and take them apart and put them back together again with bits and pieces from all over the place, to make your own ceremonies. And it's OK so long as you don't claim they're authentic and "tribal," as you put it? It's something "new," regardless of the sacred ceremonies you've just ripped to pieces? Because that's not disrespectful or offensive, is it.

Because you can do it better?

And then you advertise your services on a website (you're better. You can cure cancer! (http://www.shamanstouch.com/kenns-practice/)) that works to expose people who do the exact same thing you're doing and you're surprised at the response.

Seriously?
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Diana on August 16, 2014, 10:38:28 pm
WTF everyone! Does KEN DOLL have some sort of conscious or unconscious desire for self-annihilation. LOL!! Is this guy really so stupid? Or are we being punked...? Either way this is too funny.

Diana
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Sturmboe on August 17, 2014, 07:07:41 am
Kenn,

I quoted this from your homepage:

Kenn has used the many healing therapies he's studied to successfully treat a wide range of symptoms.  Here are a few examples.

    Chronic physical pain in any area of the body; frozen joints, arthritis
    Pain, numbness or restlessness in extremities – hands, feet, legs
    Stress, anxiety, irrational fears, feelings of helplessness
    Chronic depression, listlessness, or feelings of loss of a part of one’s self (from loss of a relationship or job, for example)
    Attention focus disorders, overactive thought patterns, disassociation
    Chronic headaches, grinding or clenching teeth, TMJ (jaw disorders)
    Fatigue, insomnia, recurring nightmares
    Digestive issues – acid reflux, indigestion, irritable bowels
    Lack of vitality or passion about life, suicidal thoughts
    Fertility and erectile maladies
    Allergies, diabetes


May you tell me what kind of profession, education and advanced training you made / got to give you the rights, knowledges and cognition to do this work you do?
Do you get the courage to write about? I am sure I will face your answers more precisely and critcize.

Oh, well you flounced, just came in to find out what you expected, a corroboration.
You´d never accepted a corroboration of false aspects of your behaviour and treatings.
Sad, how do you think you are able to help other people when you are not prepared to challenge yourself and your practices ....
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: earthw7 on August 17, 2014, 01:43:25 pm
Hihanna waste, Lets start from the beginning ;D
Mr. Day
You did not answer my questions! As a native i have the right to ask who are your relatives?
That is not being rude its is being Native.
Second Cherokee do not use a sweat lodge ceremony.
The pipe ceremony is primarily from My nation that is being used in the new age world.
We do not teach outside people to be "shamans" Medicine people unless they live among the people.
As tribal people we are still very much alive and living our way of life.
YES ITS STEALING!
Who gave you the right to do this because you must have the right or we as Native people will stop the abuse of our culture.
The Law of our people says you can not do the ceremonies unless it is in our Native language, Native song, and their are rules
that take a life time to learn, so who gave you the right?
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Epiphany on August 17, 2014, 03:58:36 pm
Name   KENNETH BRIAN DAY
Birth Date: 5/1959    Birth Place: CINTI, OH
Birth Country:
 Practice   Full Spectrum Health Center
 3836 Reading Road
 CINCINNATI, OH 45229
 United States of America

 Residence   CINCINNATI, OH 45211
County: Hamilton
 Professional Education   School:    990240-SELF HEALTH INST
Graduated: 11/01/91

 License and Registration Information
 Credential    License Type    Initial Licensure Date    Expiration Date    Status
 33.005654-C-D    LMT - C-D group    02/04/1992    04/01/2015    ACTIVE

https://license.ohio.gov/Lookup/SearchDetail.asp?ContactIdnt=3011691&DivisionIdnt=78&CredentialIdnt=3719455&Type=L (https://license.ohio.gov/Lookup/SearchDetail.asp?ContactIdnt=3011691&DivisionIdnt=78&CredentialIdnt=3719455&Type=L)

LNT = Licensed Massage Therapist

Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Autumn on August 17, 2014, 04:48:58 pm
I think he believes in the maxim "any publicity is good publicity"!

Any responses he has given here to the forum participants seem to be the very same things he has stated in his published works.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Epiphany on August 17, 2014, 07:11:08 pm
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Kenn is a registered minister in the State of Ohio.
http://www.shamanstouch.com/ritual.html (http://www.shamanstouch.com/ritual.html)

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DAY , KENNETH   1642 PULLAN AVENUE   CINCINNATI   OH   45223   -   15-AUG-95   TEMPLE ENOCH CHURCH   ACTIVE

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/minister/f?p=241:1:112825997809832::NO:RP:P1_REQ:S (http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/minister/f?p=241:1:112825997809832::NO:RP:P1_REQ:S)

He is still a licensed minister, but the non-profit corporation Temple Enochi expired in 2005, Kenneth Day was the statutory agent of the corporation. The purpose of the organization was to promulgate his "Sheya Enochi" system  http://www.oocities.org/workshopwoman/KennBW.html (http://www.oocities.org/workshopwoman/KennBW.html), including the ability to perform legally binding marriages.

Temple Enochi http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:0::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:914907 (http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:0::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:914907)
Articles of Incorporation, including his name as agent http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/reports/rwservlet?imgc&Din=5241_0198 (http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/reports/rwservlet?imgc&Din=5241_0198)

Minister licensing procedures in Ohio (fill out forms properly, pay $10) http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/recordsIndexes/MinisterLicense/licensing.aspx (http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/recordsIndexes/MinisterLicense/licensing.aspx)
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Lime Tree on August 17, 2014, 08:07:58 pm
Ken Day was formerly Kenneth Deigh. You will recognise the photo at
http://www.byregion.net/articles-healers/rediscover-shamanism.html
From there:
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Kenneth Deigh offers private sessions in Spiritual/Shamanic counseling and Body/Energywork. He is also trained in Shiatsu, Structural Therapy, CranioSacral and related modalities. Kenneth offers workshops on post-tribal shamanism, Synergetic Structural Integration and internal martial arts. Visit his website at http://w3.one.net/~enki/ or email him at enki@one.net
The link to enki does not work.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 17, 2014, 08:13:10 pm
http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/ (http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/)
"My intention has always been to clearly state that what I am doing in not from tribal or indigenous sources, in spite of the many commonalities. I can’t do anything about the discomfort they many have with the semantics. This must have done the trick, because I have had little to no problem with such people."

Because it's all about tricking "such people."  See, "you people."


Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Epiphany on August 17, 2014, 08:26:48 pm
As Kenneth Deigh he edited a journal http://www.fieldsbooks.com/cgi-bin/fields/A8253 (http://www.fieldsbooks.com/cgi-bin/fields/A8253) https://www.worldcat.org/title/mezlim-an-independent-journal-for-the-working-magus/oclc/36908418&referer=brief_results (https://www.worldcat.org/title/mezlim-an-independent-journal-for-the-working-magus/oclc/36908418&referer=brief_results)

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Mezlim - which ran to 25 issues published between 1990 - 1996, was an important journal of magical studies, that although not exclusively Thelemic, had a strong Crowleyan slant for much of its life. It had its origins in a small mimeographed journal called Mezla, which was a house journal for Kenneth Grant's Typhonian O.T.O. It ran for some 13 issues before petering out, only to be revived briefly twice: Vol. III, No. I (1985), & Vol. V, No. I (1989). By this time Kenneth Deigh had become the prime mover, and Managing Editor / Publisher of the journal and with the next issue he changed its title to Mezlim, the started a new series, with Vol. I, Issue 1, appearing early in 1990.
https://www.worldcat.org/title/mezlim-an-independent-journal-for-the-working-magus/oclc/36908418&referer=brief_results (https://www.worldcat.org/title/mezlim-an-independent-journal-for-the-working-magus/oclc/36908418&referer=brief_results)

Looks like his birth name is Kenneth Brian Day, then he used the name Kenneth/Kenn Deigh, then Kenn Day. The World Cat entry states"Managing editor/publisher: Kenneth Deigh; associate editor: Kathy Scheiern (under pseudonyms)."

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Kenneth Deigh has over 14 years experience as a practicing Magus. As founder of the Sheya System of Magick, editor of Mezlim Magazine, and a practicing Shamanic healer, Kenneth is in the forefront of the Modern Magickal revival.

http://www.rosencomet.com/starwood/1998/sw98_speakD-G.html (http://www.rosencomet.com/starwood/1998/sw98_speakD-G.html)

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During ELFest 1991, I met Kenneth Deigh, a man who plays many roles in the national Neopagan community. Kenn has been attending festivals in the United States for more than ten years, organizing and directing large group rituals and presenting workshops on various aspects of ritual work: Magical Mudras, a workshop on physical postures and gestures, and Invokation and Evokation, techniques of spirit possession, are two workshops Kenn offered at Starwood, a large festival that takes place at Brushwood sanctuary in southwestern New York. He also edits and publishes Mezlim, a Neopagan magazine. Kenn and a few friends organized their first Lumensgate festival in 1992, which was held on the summer solstice (June 21) at Brushwood. "Lumensgate," Kenn wrote me, "means 'gateway to light,' gateway to a place where we can transform, a place where possibilities are open to us." As a festival organizer Kenn is particularly conscious of what makes festivals different from the everyday world.

http://www.dmmserver.com/DialABook/978/052/022/9780520220867.html (http://www.dmmserver.com/DialABook/978/052/022/9780520220867.html)

Just like Sky has already said "What's the matter, the ceremonial magic gig didn't pay enough so you turned to appropriation?"
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Sturmboe on August 18, 2014, 05:54:29 am
LNT = Licensed Massage Therapist

Massage Therapist ....

in this profession he is not able to heal deseases with mental issues
he should care HOW he treat these vulnarable people and HOW he is in contact - but he cannot heal.
If he treat people with mental issues he should be in contact with the psychologist /psychotherapist.


It can help (as a part of medicine care, but often this is not healing as people understand it):

    Chronic physical pain in any area of the body; frozen joints, arthritis
    Pain,
    Digestive issues – acid reflux, indigestion, irritable bowels
    (numbness or restlessness in extremities – hands, feet, legs, depends of the cause ....)

I doubt this:

    Allergies, diabetes
    Fertility and erectile maladies


It can help as a part in medical care, but if these physical prolemes are a result of psychological stress, there must be a combination of other medical / psychological treats:

    Chronic headaches, grinding or clenching teeth, TMJ (jaw disorders)
    (Thai Chi is another part wich help patients, if they can accept this)

It can help in a combination with psychotherapy, this working should be in cooperation with psychologists, / psychotherapists and the Massage Therapist should follow the instructions of them - generally
A massage therapist is not able to heal these deseases. But he needs to care in a special way for these patients, it is a way HOW he is in contact with them. And sometimes it could be dangerous to work with massage:

    Fatigue, insomnia, recurring nightmares
    Lack of vitality or passion about life, suicidal thoughts
    Stress, anxiety, irrational fears, feelings of helplessness
    Chronic depression, listlessness, or feelings of loss of a part of one’s self (from loss of a   
    relationship or job, for example)
    Attention focus disorders, overactive thought patterns, disassociation

All these mentally deseases / symptomes which are mentioned  .... and K.D. believe he can help them indeed?

In some deseases / patients vision quests, sweatlodges etc. are contraindicated.

I fear the the results of these patients with mental issues taking part in ceremonies which are not basing on their way of life.



http://www.byregion.net/articles-healers/rediscover-shamanism.html

This article gives to me not the feeling that K.D. wants to hear other opinions than his own ones.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Smart Mule on August 18, 2014, 04:50:09 pm
Kenn Day
My father was Woodford Day, from Magoffin County, Kentucky. His father was Thomas Jefferson Day and his grandfather was Jefferson Davis Day. The family myth is that we were from Ireland by way of Wales, but it is difficult to prove and the DNA evidence is inconclusive.http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Day (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Day)

I also found this -

Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona), Friday, July 7, 1967
John P. Day John Perry Day, 11, who was a sixth-grade student at Sunnyslope Elementary School, died yesterday in his home, 9419 N. 14th St., a cystic fibrosis victim.  Friends may call from 4 to 9 p.m. Sunday in Mercer Mortuary, 1541 E. Thomas. John, a native of Buckeye, was brought to Phoenix as an infant. Survivors include his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Woodford Day; a brother, Kenneth; a sister, Mary; and his grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Walter Heismann, all of Phoenix.http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20235693/ (http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20235693/)



Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Epiphany on August 18, 2014, 05:02:52 pm
Kenn Day
My father was Woodford Day, from Magoffin County, Kentucky. His father was Thomas Jefferson Day and his grandfather was Jefferson Davis Day. The family myth is that we were from Ireland by way of Wales, but it is difficult to prove and the DNA evidence is inconclusive.http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Day (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Day)

I also found this -

Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona), Friday, July 7, 1967
John P. Day John Perry Day, 11, who was a sixth-grade student at Sunnyslope Elementary School, died yesterday in his home, 9419 N. 14th St., a cystic fibrosis victim.  Friends may call from 4 to 9 p.m. Sunday in Mercer Mortuary, 1541 E. Thomas. John, a native of Buckeye, was brought to Phoenix as an infant. Survivors include his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Woodford Day; a brother, Kenneth; a sister, Mary; and his grandparents, Mr. and Mrs. Walter Heismann, all of Phoenix.http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20235693/ (http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/20235693/)

This is exactly where I am at too in the genealogy search.

That Kentucky Day family are all listed as white in 1930 census https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XM61-GQS (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XM61-GQS)

Has Kenn stated on what side of his family the supposed Cherokee heritage is on?

Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Diana on August 18, 2014, 07:24:04 pm
Licensed Massage therapists usually go to school for 9 months. And also take a state standardized test. This is not rocket science.

Massage or massage like professions which take little study or just completing some courses are the usual norm for most of these frauds. There is a pattern here. So, when you see suspicious or questionable people advertising their "services" always look to see if they offer massage or have some sort of "massage" training or credentials. That is a big red flag.

Lim lemtsh,

Diana
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Diana on August 18, 2014, 07:52:40 pm
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Has Kenn stated on what side of his family the supposed Cherokee heritage is on?

My ancestors hail from Ireland, Germany, Wales, Scotland, England and the Middle East, with one great grandmother from the mountains of Kentucky, who was Cherokee.

Diana
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Smart Mule on August 18, 2014, 08:17:16 pm
Using the obit for his brother I believe his maternal grandparents are Walter Heismann and Thelma Hazelton.  Thelma's parents - HEISMANN, THELMA HEZELTON (child of EMMA MCKELLER (mother) and JAMES PERRY HAZELTON) was born 9 Oct 1895 in OHIO;; died 30 Oct 1953 in MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA, U.S.A..   http://sortedbyname.com/mobile/pages/h144766.html (http://sortedbyname.com/mobile/pages/h144766.html) James Perry Hazelton and Emma McKeller are listed as white in the 1920 census.

I believe Walter's parents were August Henry Eismann and Mary Ann Heber, both of whom were born in Germany.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: educatedindian on August 18, 2014, 11:21:06 pm
http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/ (http://www.shamanstouch.com/blog/)
"My intention has always been to clearly state that what I am doing in not from tribal or indigenous sources, in spite of the many commonalities. I can’t do anything about the discomfort they many have with the semantics. This must have done the trick, because I have had little to no problem with such people."

Because it's all about tricking "such people."  See, "you people."

Directing this at him, not you...

Day has very little understanding of the Native ceremonies he does to call vision quests and sweat lodges "semantics" or somehow claim they are not Native. That makes him inherently dangerous. We should try to see if he's doing his version of sweatlodge much like James Ray did, recklessly.

If Native activists have no paid much attention to him before, it's likely because he's not nearly as famous as he imagines himself to be. Really, we've certainly looked at enough pagan, core shamanism, and eclectic exploiters before, and his name just isn't hardly known.

But in a nice little twist, this thread is now the fifth highest ranked link about him, and that's after only a few days.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Epiphany on August 19, 2014, 12:45:13 am
Kenn Day's response in a discussion about James Ray:

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kenn day
Nov 18, 2011
Indeed. It was shocking to hear of such a large number of people stuffed into a lodge. How could he have contained them all? Does anyone know if you was working from teachings he received, or just "playing with the tech?"

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ShamanicWays/conversations/topics/10531 (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ShamanicWays/conversations/topics/10531)
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: Epiphany on August 19, 2014, 12:53:00 am
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Ceremonies
The role of the Shaman often includes the creation and direction of ritual and ceremonies to support the people they work with, to provide healing, realization, movement or to express gratitude. This workshop introduces the fundamentals of these practices and focuses on the creation and use of the sweat lodge along with a pipe ceremony. Limit 12 participants.

http://www.shamanstouch.com/post.html (http://www.shamanstouch.com/post.html)
Title: Re: kenndeigh - My introduction
Post by: Autumn on August 19, 2014, 02:09:00 am
Apparently some of you didn't actually bother to read what I wrote in my introduction. Allow me to make it a bit easier for you.
• I make no claims to be presenting native teachings. In fact, OUT OF RESPECT for these tribal teachings, I coined the term "post-tribal" to differentiate what I do from ingininous teachings.
• The fact that my great grandmother happened to be Cherokee is simply a fact of genetics. I made no attempt to claim tribal membership, and have never tried to represent my teachings as connected with any tribal teaching.
• While I have studied with a number of indiginous teachers, from South America, Tibet, China, Africa and the Middle East, I do not pass on those teachings, but only the ones received from my own spirit allies, in the best shamanic tradition. My primary mentor is Elisheva Nesher, Shofet of the Am Ha Eretz tradition, a reconstruction of pre-diasporic Hebrew earth spirituality.
• I find it interesting that in my meetings with native practitioners, I have never encountered such vitriolic and attacking behavior as I see here in only a few short hours. I have had good, respectful exchanges with a traditional Mongolian shaman/ness, a Zulu Sangoma, a Quero elder, Taino elder/teacher and Tibetan Bon teachers – all of whom are open-hearted and open-minded about the need of those people not raised in a tribal setting to find their own ways to connect with their ancestors, the earth, their souls and spirit in general. This is a universal human need, and the "shaman" is a response to this need.
(My Bolding)

"Coined" the term!  Exactly! (Another Freudian Slip?)

Aside from the sweat lodge, pipe ceremony, and vision quests, the other specialties he has mentioned are suspect also.

My primary mentor is Elisheva Nesher, Shofet of the Am Ha Eretz tradition, a reconstruction of pre-diasporic Hebrew earth spirituality.


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The Talmud applies "the people of Land" to uneducated Jews, who were deemed likely to be negligent in their observance of the commandments due to their ignorance, and the term combines the meanings of "rustic" with those of "boorish, uncivilized, ignorant".

In current parlance, Am ha'aretz (or AMHA) refers to a movement arising from the early pioneers in Israel and their love of the land. Members of AMHA in Israel tend to be in elite military units and kibbutzim and reflect the traditional values of the secular Israeli pioneers. The leaders of AMHA are called Shoftim, and are elected by the membership. AMHA has also spread to the USA in recent years, where the first Shofet outside of Israel now resides.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am_ha%27aretz

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Am ha'aretz means an "ignorant," or "boorish person." In a culture that has always prized learning highly, it is quite a put-down to call someone an am ha'aretz.

The literal meaning of the phrase is "people (am) of the earth (aretz)." To the rabbis of the Talmud, an am ha'aretz, by virtue of his ignorance, was deemed likely to be lax in his observance of the commandments. One common implication of this was that one couldn't count on an am ha'aretz separating tithes from his produce.

The rabbis argue about how you may recognise an am ha'aretz. Some of the possibilities are: one who doesn't say the Shema with its blessings morning and night; one who doesn't put on tsitsit or tefilin; one who has children but doesn't care to give them a Jewish education. The most stringent view is that even a person who learns Torah and Mishnah, but doesn't frequent Torah scholars, is to be considered an am ha'aretz; without learning face-to-face from a living sage, our knowledge is likely to be unreliable (Talmud Berachot 47b, Sotah 22a).

Today, am ha'artzut (the state of being an am ha'aretz) has spread on a scale that the sages never imagined. Knowing what an am ha'aretz is, and knowing that traditionally Jews strove with all their strength to avoid being one, may be a first step to remedying this.
http://www.thejc.com/judaism/jewish-words/am-ha%E2%80%99aretz

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Kenn Day and his wife, Patricia Sheerin, were introduced to Systemic Family Constellation Work in Cornwall in 2001. They pursued training in Germany and the United States, successfully completing a two year certification course with Heinz Stark, Bert Hellinger's protégé, in 2005. Both Kenn and Patricia share a deep enthusiasm for Systemic Constellation Work, fueled by their own experiences with the healing effects of this powerful tool. Their work as a couple, with complementary communication styles, is rare among Constellation facilitators and allows for a greater dynamic clarity in the field.
http://www.shamanstouch.com/systemic-constellation.html

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Family Constellations diverges significantly from conventional forms of cognitive, behaviour and psychodynamic psychotherapy. The method has been described as quantum quackery, and its founder Bert Hellinger incorporates the pseudoscientific idea of morphic resonance into his explanation of it. Positive outcomes from the therapy have been attributed to conventional explanations such as suggestion and empathy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations
http://www.skepdic.com/hellinger.html

Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: amorYcohetes on September 14, 2014, 06:22:48 pm
On a humorous note, it sounds to me like either Mr. Day has been watching too much "Supernatural" or the writers of that show get their inspiration from sources like Mr. Day.  I'm not sure which possibility is funnier!
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He is still a licensed minister, but the non-profit corporation Temple Enochi expired in 2005, Kenneth Day was the statutory agent of the corporation. The purpose of the organization was to promulgate his "Sheya Enochi" system
http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Enochian_sigil
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Mezlim - which ran to 25 issues published between 1990 - 1996, was an important journal of magical studies, that although not exclusively Thelemic, had a strong Crowleyan slant for much of its life.
http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Main_Villains
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: milehighsalute on September 16, 2014, 09:17:50 pm
the irony of the very first post here kills me  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: RedRightHand on November 16, 2014, 09:45:11 pm
Kenn Day and other fraudulent, exploitative appropriators were recently featured on this popular neopagan blog: http://wildhunt.org/2014/11/culture-and-community-appropriation-exchange-and-modern-paganism.html

It's a rather horrific display, with *no one* who is part of any Native community featured. One brown person has their quote in normal text, while one of the worst appropriators out there, "Lupa Green Wolf" and other whites are featured prominently. Like Kenn Day, "Lupa" leads pay to pray full of pretendian objects (kokopelli rattle, Plains style drums, animal skins) and Harner-type shameon displays, but claims it's OK because she admits she's white. Yeah, we know you're white. You're still an appropriator.

There are also some rather self-promoting white people in the comments section who, while saying some OK things, also seem to think they can speak for Natives and who misrepresent Celtic cultures almost as badly as Day does. All in all, it's pretty ugly.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: RedRightHand on November 16, 2014, 09:49:06 pm
And needless to say, they don't care what Natives have to say about Day. They could have just googled, but they don't care.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: RedRightHand on November 16, 2014, 09:54:35 pm
I mean, look at this. Day is such a lying hypocrite! He thinks that if he says things like this, no one will notice he does not engage respectfully. I mean, just read this thread to see how "respectful" he is!

'Kenn Day spoke to the complexity of learning to navigate our relationships with living cultures. He said, “These living cultures can be dealt with respectfully in much the same way as many modern seekers have approached native traditions of shamanism, by approaching them with humility and asking to learn from the lore keepers of that people. This means recognizing that their traditions are not yours to take. They can be gifted, but even then they remain within the territory of that people. It is demeaning to have elements of your culture taken out of context and displayed for the entertainment of those outside your community.”'

Unbelievable... what a fraud.
Title: Re: Kenn Day / "Kenn Deigh" / Ken Day - "Post-Tribal" shamanism
Post by: JeelyPiece on November 16, 2014, 09:59:46 pm
That whole piece reads like it's paying lip-service to the subject and the fact that they have a bunch of frauds patting themselves on the back is just sad. So much for "quality journalism" in Neopaganism.  The majority of those comments are sickening (Celtic sweatlodges. When will that die a death? Soon. Please).

Less than a minute or two googling would've brought up very clear evidence that Kenn Day is a fraud, and a potentially dangerous one at that. Same for Lupa.