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General => Frauds => Topic started by: ChikashaTruth on March 03, 2013, 04:07:58 am
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This man is from Buffalo, SC and claims he is a Cherokee Holy man of 3/4 blood. He claims he was born in Tahlequah, OK but records show he was born in South Carolina. He rides into Pow Wows in the Southeast on horseback carrying the Cherokee flag claiming that he is there authorized by the Western Band to represent them. He has scammed a lot of people out of a lot of money. He has claimed to have played the flute on the David Letterman, claimed to be nominated for a Grammy in 2011, claimed to have played with Bill Miller, Mary Youngblood and Robert Mirabal. Has anyone else had dealing with this man?
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Here is a link to the 2011 Grammy nominees. His name(s) (Roy Spotted Eagle Glass, Roy Glass, Roy Spotted Eagle) do not appear on this
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http://www.grammy.com/nominees
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http://satans-cactus.deviantart.com/art/Spotted-Eagle-and-the-Scottsman-331390791
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Thanks Loudcrow for the 2011 Grammy list! I have already checked this and now others can see it as well. He also claims he is the nephew of Bill Glass, well known Cherokee artist!
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http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20091126/PC1602/311269891
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http://www.gaffneyledger.com/news/2012-10-31/Front_Page/Museum_will_host_powwow.html
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http://www.tryondailybulletin.com/2011/11/08/celebration-of-literacy-and-culture-to-be-held-at-landrum-library/
They printed the wrong picture but you can read his statement about being Grammy nominated.
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http://www.fluvannareview.com/attachments/2331_August2011Buckingham.pdf
Here he makes claim to be Grammy nominated and having played on David Letterman.
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Glass's parents were Georgine and Donald Glass of Jonesville SC. Georgine was born in Germany. I don't see her maiden name and so don't know if she was German. It could be her parents were in the service.
http://www.holcombefuneralhomes.com/feb_08_OBITUARIES.htm
Songs on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkYFajrnSWw
Almost everything online about him is about his music. The deviant art link claims he is the holy man for the Beaver Creek Indians, who are Pee Dee in Salley SC with state recogntion, not Cherokee.
http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/salley-sc/27469689-beaver-creek-band-of-pee-dee-indians/
There's also two splinter groups, neither Cherokee.
http://thetandd.com/news/orangeburg-neeses-groups-included/article_bddceea6-0eca-518f-a365-fa2057347ba7.html
"Lewis Chavis, chief of the Beaver Creek Indians in Salley...Chavis’ tribe, formerly called the Beaver Creek Band of Pee Dee Indians, changed its name because of the controversy created over splinter groups. Two of the groups that are alleged to have splintered from Chavis’ tribe are the Pee Dee Indian Nation of Beaver Creek, based in Neeses, and the Croatan Pee Dee group, based in Orangeburg."
Could you tell us more about the harm he has done? Has he ever been charged or sued?
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Is there a way to communicate privately. There are some important pending issues that should not be pubic yet.
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The landrum library link only mentions Roy in the caption of the picture, but the picture is of somebody else.
Some of the claims seem to not add up. The Letterman show was supposed to air on Nov. 24th 2009, but the guest list for that episode shows Zac Efron with Rihanna as a musical performer. But I didn't see anything yet that attributes that to Roy himself, rather posts by friends of his to try to and get support for him.
I've seen him say he's a healer in the youtube vids, but I don't see any indication he's selling ceremonies. Mostly it seems to be about him as a flute player. His playing is ok....nothing to flip about. Looks like someone who's been making a living performing for "Native American Festivals" who fluffs up his credentials and dresses the part to please the expectations of his audiences.
Superdog
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No if you read further down, he claims to be Grammy nominated. Right next to the picture.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tdn9OuRti4
Here you can see him state that he will be on Letterman.
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No if you read further down, he claims to be Grammy nominated. Right next to the picture.
Yeah you're right, I missed that. However, for that link you can really only attribute that to the author of the piece. Local news reports often make mistakes in stories about these types of events. Especially about the performers. But from all the rest I've seen, I wouldn't doubt that he doesn't do much to correct it. But...these types of folks tend to fluff up their credentials. It looks like he's involved with Steve Silverheels and his House of Nations Ministry. Roy, like Steve, appear to be spreading their Christian beliefs by setting up festivals where they and their friends are performers. From the looks of it...the events they set up get little or no attendance. Roy definately seems to rub people the wrong way however. He's got a Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/Royspottedeagle) and complains a few times about pagans and wiccans being upset at him. You can tell from the photos that at one point he dyed his hair black.
He also says he has a CDIB card on the fb page. There's good indication that his claims of Cherokee heritage are true, but as a performer, he's presenting the "Hollywood Indian"....with small dashes of Cherokee mixed in. So....I can see how he gets under people's skin. He's making a living doing this and most of what he says about his credentials performance-wise seem made up. If he's claiming he's "authorized" by CNO for anything...I'm sure that's bs.
Superdog
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The CDIB card is fake. Also on his facebook music page, it states he is 2011 Grammy nominated.
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Here's his father Donald Edgar Glass http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=15722061& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=15722061&)
Donald and his family are in the 1940 census Union South Carolina, all listed as white.
Roy's mother is Georgine Etterer Glass, Etterer then might be her maiden name.
Update: here is his mother http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=24791562& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=24791562&)
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Here is a picture of him and his wife. He claims this is a Cherokee bonnet that was authorized for him to wear by the elders in Tahlequah. Her name is Sharon Brickle Glass and goes by the name of "Sundancer". She claims she has danced the sundance.
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Gets more interesting. Chickashatruth, can you tell us any more about the ongoing online feud with Roy and Sharon and their old friends Dana Ross and Gerard Tallheart Bowles? I stumbled into that on Sharon's fb page. Looks like Gerard is the "pagans and wiccans" that Roy deems are persecuting him. Dana is a non-Indian flutemaker who was one of the people promoting Roy's supposed appearance on Letterman. Seems they were all good friends at one point, but have become bitter enemies lately.
Superdog
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Here's the Grammy nomination claim that is attributed to Roy. More than fluffing up his credentials.
https://www.facebook.com/Glassspottedeagle?fref=ts
"Roy is a Native American Flute player, Nominated for a Grammy in 2011"
Superdog
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These apparently are some of the folks he has pulled the wool over their eyes and scammed them in some manner. There are many, many more. Their M.O. is to make claims as to people being wannabes and non-Christians to form a following on FB.
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Roy's father served in US Army, Germany, he married Georgine Etterer in Germany. She was born in Germany, German citizenship, applied for US naturalization in 1966.
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Roy's father served in US Army, Germany, he married Georgine Etterer in Germany. She was born in Germany, German citizenship, applied for US naturalization in 1966.
So that blows up the "3/4 Cherokee" claim as well...
Superdog
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Roy's father's genealogy is well researched and documented. Looking over census and military records, I don't see anything other than white going back several generations.
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This is what many have suspected for a long time.
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ChikashaTruth,
There are 2 ways to communicate privately here. You can click on the the name of the person you want to communicate with and send a private IM. Or you can click the "my messages" at the top and send to more than on person. Hope this helps.
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Thank you debbieredbear
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This is a picture of Roy Glass aka Spotted Eagle holding a card that he says proves he is Cherokee-- This is a fake card (note the blurred numbers that cannot be read) this man goes around doing fake healing ceremony and tells many lies about being a Holy man, Medicine man, etc.. He comes into people's lives and earns their trust and uses many forms of manipulations to cheat them out of money. He even claims to having been trained by 'Rolling Thunder' and says he was born in Stillwell Oklahoma-- when in fact he was born in S.C. He tells stories of how his father was a great medicine man and that he was born with the gift to heal--his story has changed many times from what we have found--from saying his family was on the trail of tears and he had journals from the events in a trunk--Heck, he had even put up writing that were supposely from those journals on a social forum. He has dupped people out of thousands of dollars, my family being one of them. Yes, I know this man and his wife, but stayed quite because I simply felt foolish allowing my self to be taken in by them. That is how I came about finding this site. A word of warning; if you confront these people they turn everything around and falsely accuse you of outrageous things. I know of one man that they even filed a fake police report on. THIS MAN IS A FRAUD IN THE WORSE KIND OF WAY.
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It's a shame we can't read this card or see the numbers. Is there any way to enhance the image bearheart?
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Uploaded here is attachment of Roy's mother Georgine Etterer's Naturalization Petition, she was citizen of Germany.
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Roy's father Donald Edgar Glass in 1940 US federal census, with his parents:
Name: Donald E Glass
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1935
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: South Carolina
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Son
Home in 1940: Ottaray-Monarch, Union, South Carolina
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank S Glass 38, white, born South Carolina
Lenora H Glass 37, white, born South Carolina
Donald E Glass 5, white, born South Carolina
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Roy's paternal grandfather (Donald's father) Francis Satterwhite Glass was in military, Army National Guard, this from his enlistment record:
Name: Francis S Glass
Birth Year: 1901
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: South Carolina
State of Residence: South Carolina
County or City: Union
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Here is a statement he made on his Facebook page photos along with the photo. He has quite a story to go along with it!
"Something to share this is all my Gr Grandfather John Glas had left when he got to OK 1839 we will never forget you Gr Grandfather on Nov 10th our drum will beat for GR Grandfather and for all that fell on that trail were they cried stay strong all"
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Reading Epiphany's posts I'm gonna have to edit my previous thoughts that it was likely he had Cherokee heritage....now I'm wondering where Roy gets this idea....but he's definitely running with it.
This past January, a Local TV station in SC running an opinion segment called Scene On 7 called Roy in specially to get his opinion on the Redskins team changing their name. Unsurprisingly, he was brought in to "surprise" people because he's supportive of it *facepalm*. The nonexistent Grammy nomination is heavily referenced by the host early on. Roy is fb friends with one of the hosts of the show Kimberly Kelly, who also supports the redskin mascot and claims she's Pawnee.
http://www2.sceneon7.com/entertainment/2013/jan/11/main-event-ar-5348658/#fbcomments
Mostly he just rambles, but apparently he's never heard the history of the team owner George Preston Marshall (dubbed the leading racist in football). The last team owner in the NFL to allow black players and proposed to his wife to a backdrop of white actors in blackface. The original name of the franchise was the Boston Braves (the same as the baseball team because they played on the same field). He changed it the first year he owned the team....you can guess why....wasn't honor. smh....
Superdog
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Here is a statement he made on his Facebook page photos along with the photo. He has quite a story to go along with it!
"Something to share this is all my Gr Grandfather John Glas had left when he got to OK 1839 we will never forget you Gr Grandfather on Nov 10th our drum will beat for GR Grandfather and for all that fell on that trail were they cried stay strong all"
He has a great grandfather John Davis Glass, born and died in McDowell North Carolina. 1880 - 1905.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSfn=john&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=29&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=19515419&df=all& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSfn=john&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=29&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=19515419&df=all&)
Marriage:
Name: J D Glass
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 20
Race: White
Spouse: J R Satterwhite
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Age: 20
Spouse Race: White
Marriage Date: 16 Oct 1900
Marriage County: Mcdowell
Marriage State: North Carolina
In 1880 US federal census John and his parents all listed as white. Both of John's parents from North Carolina, and their own respective parents all from North Carolina.
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WOW! This is all incredible! You all have accessed so much in so little time. It seems very evident that he is NOT what he claims to be.
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WOW! This is all incredible! You all have accessed so much in so little time. It seems very evident that he is NOT what he claims to be.
:) I have an ancestry.com subscription for the month and time for research today, so have been working up Roy's lineage. Starting with that obit given early in thread, then looking over census and military records, along with lineages other folks have done already for various family branches, plus finding online memorials that already exist all have made for success today.
If you find any other specific claims about his family, especially with names, let us know, I can compare to what I see so far.
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Here is another caption and picture from his Facebook page.
"Thomas Glass 1852 we lost our land we hurt we saw our brothers and sisters fall down to their deaths we sang songs as we walked threw the snow we had no food we prayed we fell with sickness we cried we held on when there was nothing to hold we bleed inside and out we have no feet to stand with we crawl as our life freezes our songs are strong great spirit creator hears us all his son warms us to keep going threw ice and snow we cried Thomas Glass died in 1858 he was hung by the neck for steeling a horse that he didn't have Thomas Glass my great uncle we will sing the songs in Honor of this great Cherokee Brave in his words I hang on to what's not said and I wish to share that with all of you and that is we didn't quit AHO many blessing to you all stay strong"
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The brother of Roy's grandfather Francis Satterwhite Glass is Thomas Edgar Glass, 1903 - 1982, born and died North Carolina.
Roy's great grandfather Glass is John Davis Glass 1880 - 1905. Doesn't look like he has a brother named Thomas. Even if he did, the time frame would be different than Roy's story.
I'll keep a copy of that photo, just in case can find out who it is.
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This man lies so much, this may not even be a relative. It may just be a picture that was in a frame he bought at a yard sale. Thank you so much for all your work into this. I wish I had this much luck searching my own lineage.
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Chikasha Truth,
This was what I was speaking of earlier about the trail of tears. Roy Glass stated that this gown belonged to a child by the name of Frank, his ancestor and was killed on the trail and buried there. He later stated to many people that the grave was discovered by him through a vision and that Talaquah Oklahoma had confirmed it was true by doing DNA soil samples that matched his DNA 99.9% This is when we knew for a fact that he was a fake. (no one in their right mind would believe that story) it is not possible to test such things in that manner. We are talking about 1800's here. In the year 2011 Dec. he put dailey post on f/b that were suposely from journals written by his ancestors on the trail of tears. Says they are in Cherokee.
Another concern is how many ? people have given him donations for the Cherokee Boys Home. We know for a fact that he has taken up donations for the Boys home at Pow Wows and he has been selling his CD's stating that all proceeds went to the children at the Cherokee Boys Home. Do not believe that to be the truth.It is a shame that people are taking advantage of in this manner.
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Wow! That is a really incredible and FAR FETCHED tail! The grave was discovered by ROY? In a vision? WOW! Who in Tahlequah confirmed this? They must have some new DNA technology that is unknown to the rest of the world, being able to read an accuracy of 99.9% from soil after 168 years in the elements!
Many have given donations. He does so called ceremonies, pulls people aside one at a time and asks them to give money for gas. Not only gas for him, but for others that are coming to participate. Only thing is, nobody else receives the gas money. This results in hundreds of dollars each time. He always tells them, "in the spirit of giving and in the ceremony, never disclose the gas donation." And these so called ceremonies are something completely made up, fabricated mumbo jumbo!
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Raising or taking funds intended for a charity is clearly illegal. If there haven't been any charges filed against him or lawsuits, I have to wonder why not. I strongly urge all involved, go to the police and DA now.
I also strongly urge those involved to go to the local media right now, and use the information Epiphany has gathered. The local paper or local TV news should be all over something like this, and publicity would shut down anything further by Glass.
I see online Glass has given speeches on Cherokee heritage at libraries, and that's one more thing that can be shut down by contacting them. Same with Glass at powwows, contact the powwow organizers.
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Reading Epiphany's posts I'm gonna have to edit my previous thoughts that it was likely he had Cherokee heritage....now I'm wondering where Roy gets this idea....but he's definitely running with it.
This past January, a Local TV station in SC running an opinion segment called Scene On 7 called Roy in specially to get his opinion on the Redskins team changing their name. Unsurprisingly, he was brought in to "surprise" people because he's supportive of it *facepalm*. The nonexistent Grammy nomination is heavily referenced by the host early on. Roy is fb friends with one of the hosts of the show Kimberly Kelly, who also supports the redskin mascot and claims she's Pawnee.
http://www2.sceneon7.com/entertainment/2013/jan/11/main-event-ar-5348658/#fbcomments
Mostly he just rambles, but apparently he's never heard the history of the team owner George Preston Marshall (dubbed the leading racist in football). The last team owner in the NFL to allow black players and proposed to his wife to a backdrop of white actors in blackface. The original name of the franchise was the Boston Braves (the same as the baseball team because they played on the same field). He changed it the first year he owned the team....you can guess why....wasn't honor. smh....
Superdog
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Many of the local Pow Wows leaders believe his rant! We are gathering all the information we can to shut these things down. As for the local TV station, this woman seems to love him. we will be contacting authorities and media on this!
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A little more on Roy's confusion about his hometown on his About page on FB....
https://www.facebook.com/Royspottedeagle/info
Lists hometown as "Stillwater, OK", but in the About box it says "3/4 Cherokee western band,of the Bird clan,born stillwell,OK"
Two different places. Stillwater is the college town of OSU in north central Oklahoma....Stilwell (not Stillwell) is near the eastern border of Oklahoma. Stilwell is at least in the area of Tahlequah (which someone else mentioned he's used as well), but he seems rather confused.
Superdog
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Oh, he's not confused, he's just trying to confuse the public. He know exactly what he is doing and he is good at it. There will be a lot more that will come to light I'm sure!
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Here's another Facebook Post:
Roy Spotted Eagle
September 7, 2011
Not to be rude but to all of you that keep asking I am not a part of any indian groop CNA or othere groop I have my CDIB from UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR BRUEU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS EASTREN OKLAHOMA REGIONAL OFC I all so have my CHEROKEE NATION TRIBAL CARD I am a part of the CHEROKEE NATION who respect all people that are true to there ways
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Another really amazing healing by the power of this mans flute!!! Wow!!! I wonder if he can teach this? Posted on FaceBook.
Roy Spotted Eagle
December 5, 2010
SOMETHING to share lady came to RockHill last night she is deaf in her left ear.she called me this morrning to tell me the healling song restored her ear,oh the power of GODS music STAY STRONG MY FRIENDS AHO
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Chikasha Truth,
This is the card that Roy Glass aka Spotted Eagle is using..does anyone have a way of checking this out to see if it is a fake or real card from western band Cherokee..this is as clear as we could make it..
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Kind of looks like C00262850. Don't you know if it was a real Government issue card, they would spell BUFFALO correctly!
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Roy Edgar Glass, born 1964
On court records for Glass, Roy E. , same address as on that card (in court records sometimes mistakenly listed as "Hard Randy" instead of "Hard Ranch"), his race is white.
Some county records searches can be done here http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/casesearch/ (http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/casesearch/). Click a county and go from there. Use "Roy E Glass". I see some in Union county and others, haven't looked through them all. This is an index, doesn't give full info, but make sure to check any charging, sentencing, and other tabs available
Thanks for posting that card, the full name and address confirms that the records I was looking at are indeed for our guy.
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Thank Epiphany! You are so much help for us. I wish I could read the numbers on that card. I don't have any good graphics programs to try to clarify or enhance it. I'll keep trying.
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About that card, in the earlier photo of Roy pointing to the card, it is a white card half pulled out of a case. Is he claiming this is a Cherokee Nation citizenship card? Check through here http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/31656/Information.aspx (http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/31656/Information.aspx) - their citizenship cards are blue.
Here is citizenship info: http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/30869/Information.aspx (http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship/30869/Information.aspx)
To be eligible for CDIB/Tribal Citizenship with the Cherokee Nation, you must be able to provide documents that connect you to an enrolled lineal ancestor, who is listed on the (DAWES ROLL) FINAL ROLLS OF CITIZENS AND FREEDMEN OF THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES, Cherokee Nation with a blood degree. This roll was taken between 1899-1906 of Citizens and Freedmen residing in Indian Territory (now NE Oklahoma).
Many applicants do not qualify for CDIB/Citizenship as their ancestors did not meet the enrollment requirements and were not enrolled. Certain requirements had to be met in order to be placed on the Dawes Roll.
CDIB/Tribal Citizenship are issued through natural parents. In adoption cases, CDIB/Citizenship must be proven through the BIOLOGICAL PARENT to the enrolled ancestor. A copy of the Final Decree of Adoption, and a State Certified, Full Image/Photocopy of the Birth Record must accompany the application. All information will remain confidential.
Dawes Rolls http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=glass&s_first=&s_middle=&s_tribe=&dawesPage=3 (http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php?s_last=glass&s_first=&s_middle=&s_tribe=&dawesPage=3)
On Roy's paternal family tree, everyone at the time of the Dawes Rolls (1898 - 1914 Oklahoma) are white folks in the Carolinas.
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Thanks again Epiphany! I think what he is showing in the picture where he is "giving the finger" to folks on Facebook, is one card behind another. I think the foremost card is the same one in the latter picture,
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Thanks again Epiphany! I think what he is showing in the picture where he is "giving the finger" to folks on Facebook, is one card behind another. I think the foremost card is the same one in the latter picture,
Do you know what the white card behind the blue card is supposed to be?
Do you know if he's ever claimed a specific ancestor is on the Dawes Final Rolls?
Hope you all contact media, event organizers, police, and DA.
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Thanks again Epiphany! I think what he is showing in the picture where he is "giving the finger" to folks on Facebook, is one card behind another. I think the foremost card is the same one in the latter picture,
Do you know what the white card behind the blue card is supposed to be?
Do you know if he's ever claimed a specific ancestor is on the Dawes Final Rolls?
Hope you all contact media, event organizers, police, and DA.
I'll see if anyone I know has any information on the white card, and if they have ever heard him claim anyone on the Dawes Roll. If he had claimed it, I'm sure it was fictional.
We are in the process of contacting all of these people. This man is a talker of the worst kind, golden tongue! Many people are actually sucked in by him, for a while. By the time they have found him out, he had befriended them, been called brother or sister, uncle or aunt to his children. They have been offered healing songs and healing ceremonies. Most of the money comes in forms of gifts or loans, but are asked that they are always kept private. He is very polished at watching for people who are seeking and are grieving. He preys on them!
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Here are some responses from people who know him and have been victimized by him:
"White card -eastern band Cherokee tribal card, I believe..blue card- amount of Cherokee blood.. I Think..not sure..but remember he has (name removed for anonymity)'s cards..has not give them back to his sons"
"He was the Cherokee man up there that Roy has his cremains..they asked for their Dad's ashes and cards back, but Roy said to them he did not want them to get into the wrong hands..Ain't that a joke..I cannot remember his given name..(name removed for anonymity) I believe..son Little (name removed for anonymity) ..very nieve..
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A family wants the ashes and cards of their father returned, and Roy refuses? What a horrible man.
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He no doubt has self serving plans for holding onto these personal and sacred things. This is their Father's ashes and his CDIB and Tribal cards. I strongly feel that this is against the law and am looking into this as well. I will find these boys and speak with them.
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Here is another Facebook post claiming to represent the Cherokee Nation!
Roy Spotted Eagle
Yesterday via mobile
March 23 at 10:00 am going to represent our Cherokee nation in the spartanburg SC culture parade and share the music and history of our people all are welcome to come out enjoy this event hope to see there have a blessed day all
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This fake is really making the Cherokee Nation look Bad, because many people are believing he is actually representing the Western band Cherokee. It is a shame that he does this, but I do not understand why these events don't check him out first. Do you?
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Here is proof that he was NOT born in Oklahoma. Yes, this is his birth certificate. He was born in S.C. and has always lived there, except when he was on the run. Then he spent a time in Arkansas.Before that in Georgia.Sharon is his 5th so called wife, but by far the best con yet. She carries his lies through in the name of Jesus.If anyone knows of these two and the scams they run PLEASE let people know. It has been proven that the Cherokee Boys home scam was just that-- a scam-- they have been pocketing the money for years saying the sales of his cd's proceeds were going to the boys home. You should see the pow wow videos and read the statements he has made. He has even pretended to dig up artifacts on people's property. Objects that did not come from the property. Trickster Con artist-- But Thank Creator he is NOT Cherokee, because the ancestors would be so ashamed.
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Yes, some of us know all too well the evil these two spin in the name of the Cherokee Nation and Jesus Christ! They will be exposed! They will be exposed!
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Roy Glass and Sharon Glass have been lying to people for so many years that they believe their own lies. DO NOT trust these two people. They will con you, steal from you and it will all be done under the name of Jesus Christ their Lord and Savoir. They better hope that their Lord and Savoir WILL be with them, because when every truth about them is revealed he will be the only one left for them to turn to.
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This man is from Buffalo, SC and claims he is a Cherokee Holy man of 3/4 blood. He claims he was born in Tahlequah, OK but records show he was born in South Carolina. He rides into Pow Wows in the Southeast on horseback carrying the Cherokee flag claiming that he is there authorized by the Western Band to represent them. He has scammed a lot of people out of a lot of money. He has claimed to have played the flute on the David Letterman, claimed to be nominated for a Grammy in 2011, claimed to have played with Bill Miller, Mary Youngblood and Robert Mirabal. Has anyone else had dealing with this man?
in response to all first things first . I do not claim to be Cherokee I am Cherokee the pic of my CDIB card that this sight clams to have investigated doesn't say much for the way it is conducted.the post clearly said any time anyone wanted to see it just ask me . Now as far as where I was born I have never said I was born Tahlequah OK once again does not say much for this investigation. Now as far as me riding into powwows on horseback this has never happened I have never rode my horse or any other horse at a powwow. As far as the clam about being on the late show once again get your facts straight I have never been on the late show but was being getting booked to do and I made a public statement saying why I was not going to do the show. Now as far as playing with Bill Miller he was at the veterans powwow and my sons and one of that has put post up here was on that drum as well. We did do a concert and that is that once again this doesn't say much for this sights so called investigation. As far as Mary Youngblood and Robert Mirabal I have never said I played with them but only that I know them. I also know these people that are putting this on hear and why they are . Witch brings me to this point of all this money and people where is it all our events we do are manly for charity and most we do not get any money and for the ones we do we just ask to take care of our expenses . Now lets get to the part of family . I have two sons and the bottom line is they where with their grand parents when they crossed over they know what is and who they are as well . Our family well its really nobodys business but ours as to the so called geanologist you should get your facts straight and make sure you have the right Glass be for you try to slam people and once again does not say much for this sight newagefraud reads more like newageslamming so my last words are I don't care if you hate me I am Christian and will pray for you all
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Now as far as where I was born I have never said I was born Tahlequah OK
ROY SPOTTED EAGLE
@eagle_roy
I am cherokee born in OK.
https://twitter.com/eagle_roy (https://twitter.com/eagle_roy)
Roy, where were you born in Oklahoma?
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It appears this man has bitten off a little more than he can chew! Therefore he will spit out anything he can in hopes to swallow any pride (or false pride) he can find in his scamming carcass!
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Going to a public website and obtaining information that is publicly displayed is stalking... ? I guess every website on the W.W.W. is being stalked..
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Welcome Roy. Personally I'd like to hear about the Grammy nomination...the Grammy site shows nothing. What's your response to that?
Superdog
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https://twitter.com/eagle_roy
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Gee. And to think of the many many times I've repeatedly visited a website, staying for long periods of time too.. and then shared something from it and posted the link. I didn't know I was supposed to email the webmaster and tell them the reason for my visit and why I am spending long periods of time looking or reading it.. but then, most realize that's the purpose of having a website. And, if there's something they don't want publicly displayed and shared, then they don't put it out on the net..
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Revenge, this is a thread on Roy Spotted Eagle Glass. What can you tell us about Roy?
Have you introduced yourself yet?
Well I could tell you a bunch depending on what you want to know--ask away!
I know Roy's a good man, got his head screwed on right. I've known him for only two years now (maybe three???) but he's been nothing short of a decent human being.
I'll head down to the introductory thread here soon.
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Do you know the definition of stalking?
Verb
Pursue or approach stealthily
Harass or persecute (someone) with unwanted and obsessive attention
Do your research.
This "Chikasha" was visiting the pages multiple times a day and staying for long periods of time which is both unwelcome and quite obsessive.
Would you like to see the screenshots instead--screenshots of the visits to Tumblr and DeviantArt including the one I have JUST now. Visit #84 from the same IP address
The same IP address, browser information, latitude and longitude--coming from the very account you're using here.
Having actually been stalked, yes, I know the meaning. Looking up someone's IP address, browser info, and the lat/long of where they live IS stalking. Visiting a website multiple times and staying on it to read it is NOT stalking.
One is personal violation of a person's privacy, the other is making use of a website intentionally put on the internet for public view.
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Have you got any facts about Mr.Glass and his claims or not? Opinions are just that.
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Ok Mr. Internet Guru, are you aware that monitoring someone's online activities and tracing ip addresses is
called cyber stalking? It's illegal. I would cease and desist immediately if I were you. And don't be so sure
the ip address you have is correct. Some of us are using proxy servers ;D
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Mr "revenge" (talk about a pompous nickname) you need to grow up. Stay on topic, show greater emotional maturity than the average 8 year old, and knock off the personal insults and bizarre behavior.
You can still login but temporarily can't post. Contact a moderator and apologize, and you'll be allowed to post.
Mr Glass, there are many questions awaiting you. Try using basic punctuation, it's very difficult to understand you.
Let's all stay on topic and not let one person's immaturity become the focus.
ETA: He/she is now banned, along with their attempted sockpuppets.
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I don't think he will reply, he has no truth to offer. Here is a new post on facebook.
Roy Spotted Eagle: And the fact it is newagefraud is a fraud so don't worry about that ether that is the biggest fraud buster sight I have ever seen
about a minute ago via mobile · Like · 1
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Well, of course it is the biggest fraud buster site Roy Glass has ever seen. Isn't that what this site is about? Bringing the Truth out. And the truth is Roy Glass is not what he says he is. He is a scam artist.
I believe, everyone on here would very much like to see your CIBD card since you mentioned it. The last pic you sent to everyone on facebook was somewhat blurred. But then again your wife is an excellent photographer, Right? So perhaps that was intended. She does take pictures of orbs that belong to your family members and brings you to the people you feel they want you to help. Right? Or maybe not?
But back on subject; Are you Cherokee? Were you born in Oklahoma? (your birth cert. says not) Are you a member of the 'Bird' clan ? (I thought Cherokee's did not tell what clan they were from) Were you nominated for a Grammy? (anytime) and were you ever contacted to be on the David Letterman show (careful how you answer) Lets start out with these few questions first, then we will move forward to the big ones. (the charity frauds and the money you have taken from people who trusted in you) Think you can give us proof of these things? Are do you really have something to hide?
We will see -- We will see
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I am Sharon Brickle Glass, wife of Roy Glass. I am posting under his name because after several attempts, I have not been approved for this site. The claims submitted here stem from my husband's refusal to have an affair with a woman named Diane. She came to my husband for spiritual help and somehow got the idea that he and she would be together. She called him constantly asking questions about the culture and began following him to events, asked could she paint his drum, made regalia for his sons, started wearing regalia to events, etc. I believe that is called stalking. She realized that her fantasy world did not exist when she saw us together and realized that our marriage is strong. That is when all of this began. This site is just the latest tool she is using to try to hurt us. I love my husband, I support him and believe in him 100+ %. Enough said.
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Medicine Flower! I am the one who started this research post. It is about how this man claims to be a carded Cherokee Holy/Healer man and how he scams lots of folks out of money! So, as I and others have asked, you and others, do you have anything to offer that proves his claims?
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This is in reply to you Diane , I have been a member with NAFPS for several years. It seems since I know alot about this situation. This is a personal vendetta between you your husband and Roy. You are not really concerned about any fradulant claims on of him not being ndn, you want to hurt him and his family. That is not what this site was created for. Roy Glass does not go about harming anyone. you are angry with him because he wouldn't have an affair with you.
Please do not waste our time on here trying to discredit someone for a personal vendetta. He is respected here in Qualla and other Reservations. What makes you better than him , you are a follower of the pow wows and dress in your feathers and buckskin, does that make you what you claim to be ?? So you really have no room to talk here. Look within your own self in the mirror..........
It sounds as if you have fallen again there medicine flower. Here is a quote from you about a similar man " I know this man personally, I took a medicine class in 2009 in Hickory nc. . You are correct that he preys on Women and their money. I almost lost my marriage of 30 years because of him. I am Cherokee from NC and met him because I owned a Native American gallery.
He Claims to be a cherokee medicine man from Okla." People only see what they want to see. By they way, who is Diane? I have not seen any posts by a Diane.
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I read the whole post who is Diane? None of this makes sense to me
Anyone who makes public claims to be a medicine man is just plain wrong we do not do that,
plus all a person has to do is tell who their family is from the rez and if they can say yes
he is our relative them we know it is done all the time in indian country, You do know that right
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Has anyone researched the murder he was involved in? Claims he drove some woman to the hospital after her husband shot her, no it was him but the husband is serving time. I do not trust either one of them & yes he is a FRAUD!!!! I pray that someone puts a STOP to him and his bs soon!!!
You better provide proof of your very serious accusation and fast. I will give you two days and no more.
If you don't, your post will be permanently deleted and you and any other ID you try to come here under will be permanently banned.
This forum will not be used and abused by spammers, trolls, and mudslingers to plant any old accusation or smear without proof. The more serious an accusation one makes, the more one must be prepared to back it up with evidence.
This is the only warning I will give to you or anyone else trying something similar.
Right now I'm going to start deleting all the BS distractions that perhaps 5-6 people have wasted all our time with. I'll keep them archived elsewhere for reference.
Minus all the distractions there are still several areas of concern:
All the evidence shows Glass is lying about being Cherokee and carries around a fake CDIB card.
He falsely claims to be a Grammy nominee.
And most important, there are still the claims about Glass taking funds intended for charity. That's the most serious, but other than the claim we have yet to see proof.
Anyone needing to prove or disprove this, you'd best contact the Cherokee Boys Home and others.
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Here is some info from links posted earlier, saved here in case the originals are ever taken down:
JONESVILLE - Donald Edgar Glass, 66, of 541 Bobby Faucett Road died Oct. 24, 2000, at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center.
A native of Union, he was the husband of Georgine Etterer Glass and son of the late Frank and Lenora Howell Glass.
Survivors in addition to his wife include Roy E. Glass of Buffalo
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=15722061& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=15722061&)
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GEORGINE E. GLASS
JONESVILLE, S.C.
Mrs. Georgine E. Glass, age 72, widow of Donald E. Glass, of 541 Bobby Faucette Rd., Jonesville, died Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008 at Regional Hospice Home of Spartanburg after a long illness.
Mrs. Glass was born in Garmish, Germany, Jan. 27, 1936.
Surviving: Roy Glass and wife Sharon of Union
http://www.holcombefuneralhomes.com/feb_08_OBITUARIES.htm (http://www.holcombefuneralhomes.com/feb_08_OBITUARIES.htm)
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This "Chikasha" was visiting the pages multiple times a day and staying for long periods of time which is both unwelcome and quite obsessive.
Would you like to see the screenshots instead--screenshots of the visits to Tumblr and DeviantArt including the one I have JUST now. Visit #84 from the same IP address
The same IP address, browser information, latitude and longitude--coming from the very account you're using here.
Stop lying.
Only the moderators and admins can see the IP data on this site. You are guessing, in an attempt to intimidate.
As for your creepy claims that this is one person's "vendetta" - the concerns about Glass have been brought up by quite a few people, most of them men. As far as I know, no one by the female name you give has even discussed this with us.
However, we often hear those kinds of slurs against women when a man has done something wrong, and he wants to shift the blame. While occasionally stalkers can be women, your story sounds to me like the type of misogynist fantasy that supporters of wrongdoers attempt to promote, hoping other misogynists will let them off the hook. I could be wrong here, but attempting that kind of slur on a woman we probably don't even know does not reflect well on you or your attitudes about women.
Whatever did or didn't happen in these people's personal lives changes nothing about the other claims that Glass has made, most of which are inconsistent and seem to me to be untrue. Please feel free to prove us wrong, but attacking people that most likely have nothing to do with any of this is not a good tactic to attempt.
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Both "Mimi" and Ms. Glass IMd me.
Mimi ranted about Glass supposedly confessing to the murder to several people. And yet somehow no one ever went to cops, DA, or press in a high profile murder case that sent someone to death row 13 years ago.
Pretty obvious Mimi did not care the slightest about the supposed injustice, not even bothering to name the case. She's banned.
Ms Glass gave the information. The case was the murder of Judy Southern by Jonathan Binney.
http://www.spartanburgcounty.org/govt/depts/sol/binney.htm
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=20021115&id=sK0nAAAAIBAJ&sjid=J9AEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4674,6611158
http://www.judicial.state.sc.us/caseofmonth/Sep2004/appellantBrief.pdf
Binney was facing child molestation charges at the time he broke into Southern's home and murdered her. He confessed, was found guilty, apologized to the victim's families, had plenty of fingerprint, forensics evidence vs him. The best his defense could come up with was claiming he'd intended to break into the to commit suicide.
Glass's sole link was to have been present the night the murder happened. No evidence, and no motive. If there were any, there's been 13 years a man's been on death row you needed to speak up about. If there were anything to it, why didn't Binney or his lawyer seize upon it?
Ms. Glass said in her Im that there was no money made in the charity event for the boy's home.
ETA: There are still accounts of others saying he collected elsewhere for the home and the home never got anything.
Essentially, once you strip away people throwing a lot of mud, Glass is a musician lying about his ancestry and award, with the donations matter still unresolved.
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I was at a Pow Wow in 2011 and Roy Glass asked me, as well as many other vendors for money for the Cherokee Boys Home, he also stated at this same Pow Wow that any money that he received for his CD;s was going to the Cherokee boys home. The boys home was called and they have never heard of any one named Roy Spotted Eagle or received any money from said person. Although not surprised that Roy and his wife Sharon and their followers have been on here telling lie's to everyone, because they have no truthful answers I must say that I am glad to see that NO one is believing the lies. The statements made on this sight against Mr. Glass I have found to be nothing but truthful, they can lie all they want and say this is about revenge but it isn't, unfortunately this is what the Glasses do when confronted about their lies and deceptions, they do their best to draw the attention away from the true issues and we all know what those truths are: birth place, Cherokee, what is his true culture, scamming people for money, performing fake healing ceremony, even saying he healed a woman with his flute music etc etc etc? and lets not forget him using his Cherokee card as intimidation against many true natives, as I am one of those TRUE NATIVES...enough said...
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I agree this site is not for bashing and airing personal grievances but anyone that knows Mr. or Mrs. Glass knows full well that they will turn any statement or fact around to serve their purpose of avoiding the truth. He will not give direct answers such as to the question---Where were you born----He states---I was not born in Tahlequah, Ok---no one ever said he was---his FB page clearly states he was born in Stilwell, OK yet his birth certificate states he was born in SC. I have a tendency to believe recorded public documents. I feel these will give us the true picture. This investigation is not about whether or not he is a christian and not about his or any other persons spiritual beliefs. Neither is it about personal vendettas. This is strictly about the facts 1---where were you born---if it was OK, show me that Birth Certificate 2---Are you of the Cherokee Nation in OK as you claim---if you are show me documentation so we can have it verified 3---When were you Grammy nominated---show me a link or documentation with your name on it so it can be verified 4---- Did your ancestors specifically named by you walk the Trail of Tears-----I think I remember a post by you saying your Uncle was hung in 1858 right after he reached OK after walking the Trail of Tears---the Trail of Tears was from 1831-1838---there is a 20 year difference here, something just doesn't add up 5----It is a known fact that you have stated the proceeds from your CD sales went to the Children's Home of Cherokee, NC, as a matter of fact, this statement was used by you and others under your guidance as a selling tool, also you collected money from known vendors at one Pow Wow specifically earmarked for the Children's Home------Show us proof the Children's home ever received any money ( I will help you with this one, interviews were made with 1-Tiffany Reid, HR and and member of the Boys Club, Inc. Board, 2-Matt Hollifield, Director of Boys and Girls Club, 3-Monica Lambert, Administrative for Children's Home, 4-Chris Weatherford, Director for Cherokee Children's home, 5-Nancy Maney, Manager for Tribal Enrollment, 6-Anita Johnson Lossiah, Attorney Generals Office for the Eastern Band Law Clerk------A QUOTE FROM THE LICENSED INTERVIEWER STATES "NONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED HAVE HEARD OF OR HAVE ANY INFORMATION OF THE SUBJECT----MR GLASS----BEING A MEMBER OR MAKING ANY KINDS OF CONTRIBUTIONS TO----THE TRIBE----THE CHILDREN'S HOME----OR THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB" ). IF THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE MONEY YOU OR OTHERS COLLECTED FOR YOU, THEN WHERE DID IT GO? Now, these are some simple questions, Mr Glass, please answer them directly. This should not be difficult if you are telling the truth. I have done my research and I know the truth, but you deserve a chance to respond and I welcome that. Once these simple questions have been dealt with to everyone's satisfaction, we will move on to the harder ones. Once again this is no place for grudge matches or excuses, simple straight forward answers are all that we ask for and will be appreciated.
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I've notice that the statement of Roy Glass being "3/4 Cherokee, Western Band, Bird Clan" has come off of his facebook page. Also on his music page, the year for the Grammy nomination has been deleted although he has never been nominated for a Grammy.
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Just saw that the 3/4 Cherokee is indeed back on his page!!!!
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Bill Miller's one of my best friends. I can just ask him in the next day or two if you like.
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Please do Matt and let us know.
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The only time that Roy Edgar has played with Bill Miller was a 5 minute stint with Point Judith at the first Gaffney Veterans Day Pow Wow. That was it and all.....not even worth mentioning much less claiming.
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He told me 3 years ago that he was a friend of Bill Miller!
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Just got off the phone with Bill Miller. As soon as I asked him he knew this guy, Bill said "Oh man, THAT guy! He's a !@#%ing LIAR!"
Bill said that he has never played with this guy, and that Roy has gone around telling people that he actually beat Bill out for a Grammy once. Bill said, "Everything about that man is fake. Fake name, fake music, fake tribe, claiming he found his father's bones and stuff, and he's making all sorts of money on this crap. This guy may be one of the worst human beings I have ever met. TOTAL fraud."
I asked Bill for his permission to post his answer here and he said, "Yeah, absolutely! This guy is a @#^ing lunatic. If he's even using my name at all, I'll do whatever I can to make sure he's not associated with me."
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Thank you Matt!!!! This is just as many of us know and are out to tell the world to "WATCH OUT!!!"
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Thank you Matt, Bill Miller, and all of us here for working on this.
I now wonder about Roy's wife, Sharon. What role does she have in perpetuating fraud?
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She is and always has been right there with him. She bitterly defends all he says and does, even tough he treats her very poorly!
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You know, now that I think about it, literally ALL of these guys treat their wives badly. I mean, seriously, have you ever known a fraud shaman who treated his wife, or women in general, with respect? (I'm including fraud-shamans who are even actually Native, but I won't name the man I'm thinking of here)
I might even go so far as to say that how a man treats women is perhaps one of the tell-tale indicators of his authenticity or fraudulence. Given the symbolic importance of gender respect in the emblems of the pipe bowl/stem, the sweatlodge willows, the sun dance, and so many other ceremonies, it seems logical that being out-of-spirit with those things corresponds to being out-of-spirit in other intimate life relationships as well.
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Great point Matt!
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looks like case is closed here haha
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No, case is not closed until he get to "Known Fraud" status!
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Re: Roy Glass, AKA Roy Spotted Eagle
« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2013, 05:42:34 AM »
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Here is proof that he was NOT born in Oklahoma. Yes, this is his birth certificate. He was born in S.C. and has always lived there, except when he was on the run. Then he spent a time in Arkansas.Before that in Georgia.Sharon is his 5th so called wife, but by far the best con yet. She carries his lies through in the name of Jesus.If anyone knows of these two and the scams they run PLEASE let people know. It has been proven that the Cherokee Boys home scam was just that-- a scam-- they have been pocketing the money for years saying the sales of his cd's proceeds were going to the boys home. You should see the pow wow videos and read the statements he has made. He has even pretended to dig up artifacts on people's property. Objects that did not come from the property. Trickster Con artist-- But Thank Creator he is NOT Cherokee, because the ancestors would be so ashamed.
Bearheart... I would like to speak with you about this information. I can be reached at the Sheriff's Office.
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Tryed to remove the copy of Roy's birth certificate, was not able to. Have contacted the admin. to have it removed. Did not realize I was doing anything wrong by posting it, but after speaking with Lt. Black via telephone was told it needed to be removed. Roy Glass had contacted the Union County Sheriff's Dept. about this matter. Does not surprise me. Another tactic
OK I finally figured it out. I had to go back to the original message and hit modify. So the copy of Roy Glass's S.C. birth certificate should be off of the forum.
Still does not change the truth that he was not born in Stilwell Oklahoma.
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Pretty sleazy. So the guy thinks posting public information is wrong enough to go to cops, but he feels entitled to A) collect funds for an alleged scam charity, B) allegedly forge an identification document, C) allegedly commit fraud with regards to his professional status, and D) allegedly commit fraud with regard to his association with Bill Miller.
A man who can't even spell "Buffalo" right on his fake card. Roy Spotty History.
Sorry for all the "allegedlys" but like the parable says, "you knew I was a snake when you picked me up."
BTW, Bill called me back to tonight just to be sure this had been cleared up. He is SO fuming mad that this man has been invoking Bill's good name for personal gain. He said, "It's bad enough that tons of other people do that stuff to me all the time, try to cash in on who I am behind my back. But to have the biggest scumbag around do it..." He says that there's only one other man as depraved as Roy who does this stuff, but I forgot to ask permission to quote Bill on that guy, so I won't for now.
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Not sure why it is wrong to post a person's birth certificate, when that information is public record. Perhaps Lt. Black would care to enlighten us?
eta: Well, I can understand for concerns of Identity theft, of course. But anyone can get birth records.
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Roy's action seems to confirm the authenticity of the BC.
Superdog
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The blue card posted is a CNO enrollment card. It looks like the wrong color to me. Also, can anyone make out the date is says he was supposedly enrolled? I ask because there have been drastic changes to the cards. The white card would be a cdib.
http://jamenbo.com/new-6UeEgRLEePE.html (http://jamenbo.com/new-6UeEgRLEePE.html) at 16 seconds he says, "I am a flute player. They call me a healer but I am just a tool."
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http://jamenbo.com/new-6UeEgRLEePE.html (http://jamenbo.com/new-6UeEgRLEePE.html) at 16 seconds he says, "I am a flute player. They call me a healer but I am just a tool."
:) Roy "I am just a tool" Glass
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Bill called me today. Roy has texted him a lengthy complaint about the "bunch of pagans" who are after him, and that he has contacted a sheriff. Bill was pretty appalled that Roy would try to persuade him to Roy's side, and told me that in addition to all his other grievances against Roy, Roy had also stiffed Bill on several hundred dollars' worth of compensation for expenses when Bill performed professionally at a powwow. So Bill reiterated to me that he denounces this guy, and he also reiterated his very clear consent for me to quote him on the record.
So as it stands, we have a guy whose enrollment card is apparently fake (and badly misspelled!), whose on-the-record genealogy apparently contradicts his ethnic claims, and who has faced allegations of dishonest fundraising for inauthentic charities. Have I got that about right?
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Yes Matt, you have it right, but there is much more to the truth. Some things are still under investigation and cannot be revealed at this time, while others things are still pending in litigation!
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https://www.facebook.com/Glassspottedeagle (https://www.facebook.com/Glassspottedeagle) used to read:
Roy is a Native American Flute player, Nominated for a Grammy in 2011.
Now his tag line reads:
Roy is a Native American Flute player, Nominated for a Grammy . is president of USA HA HA
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That's him Epiphany! He is taunting us. He is as arrogant as they come!
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Your News Source For Buckingham Living - Fluvanna Review
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Aug 11, 2011 – the Boy Scout Troop 6535, Buckingham County High School. The park will benefit the ... Box 59, Palmyra, VA 22963 to the attention of applicable section, (Letters to the Editor, ... Grammy Nominated Native American Flutist Roy. “Spotted Eagle” Glass, who has appeared on “Late Night with David Letterman” ...
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The Future Leaders of Green - Fluvanna Review
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Nov 11, 2011 – Your News Source For Buckingham Living. Page 4. Buc kingham ... Box 59, Palmyra, VA 22963 to the attention of applicable section, (Letters to the .... On the evening of November 10, citizens of Buckingham County and ..... bag of gifts for the children. Roy. “Spotted Eagle' Glass , Grammy nominee, was in ...
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Here are the correct links for what bearheart was trying to post.
http://www.fluvannareview.com/attachments/2991_January2012Buckingham.pdf
This article has a section on Page 6
Roy “Spotted Eagle’ Glass , Grammy
nominee, was in town and played
a few selections on his flute
http://www.fluvannareview.com/attachments/2331_August2011Buckingham.pdf
This has a section on page 4.
Grammy Nominated Native American Flutist Roy
“Spotted Eagle” Glass, who has appeared on “Late Night
with David Letterman” will also be on hand to perform
and will have copies of his latest CD.
Both are PDF's so once you open it simply do a search for Spotted and you will see the two blurbs/lies.
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Appears that Cherokee County Museum is even mislead and doesn't confirm their facts. This is scary if a museum doesn't confirm the info that they are given.
http://cherokeechamber.chambermaster.com/directory/jsp/events/EventPage.jsp?ccid=1277&eventid=1426
Intertribal Powwow
Date: November 9, 2012 - November 11, 2012
Time: 09:00 AM - 06:00 PM
http://www.cherokeecountyhistory.org
Event Description
The Cherokee County History & Arts Museum is hosting its second intertribal Pow-wow November 9, 10, and 11 on the historic mustering grounds at the Museum located at 301 College Drive in Gaffney, S.C. The three day event will include performances by Grammy nominated musician Roy Spotted Eagle. In addition there will be performances by the Silverheels Singers. Knife-throwing and whip-handling demonstrations will be presented by Tonto, played by John Phipps. Other notable Native American performers and speakers include John Blackfeather. Friday, November 9 will be Children's Education Day from 9:00am to 4:00pm. A special Veteran's Recognition Ceremony will be held on Saturday and Sunday with activities from 1:00pm to dusk. Native American crafts, music, dance, art, and more will be going on all three days. The Museum will open, as well, and is included in the admission rate of $7 for adults...free for kids under 12. For more information visit www.cherokeecountyhistory.org or call 864-489-3988.
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Thank you Kokopelli for making this clear. Yes, it does seem odd that these places do not check him out. He is a con man though.
Also, here are some statements from his facebook page that prove the charity fraud he was pulling on everyone concerning the sales of his CD's
As we know, the Cherokee organizations have never received any money from this. I find these statements made by him very interesting.
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For some reason I could only get one attachment to post at the time. So here is the other one from his facbook page speaking of charity from the sales of his CD's. As we already know is not true. He is speaking of the Eastern Band here, in Cherokee N.C. SCAM SCAM SCAM
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We know the "pseudo" Cherokee Boys Home he is speaking of. It's the one he lives in with the "Pseudo Cherokee" twin boys of his!
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This is still displayed on his FB page:
"About Roy
3/4 Cherokee western band,of the Bird clan,born stillwell,OK"
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Thank you Bearheart, this is what I was talking about with the CD's and I and some others were even selling them for him at PowWows. Really makes me sad that a grown man would take advantage of people by using a boys home! Disgusting...
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First off, To the Admins, Thank you for lifting the ban and allowing me back. Having my child pulled into this and called a liar makes me a little unhappy. If anyone cares to discuss the proof we have I would be happy to in a private message as this is not the place. Second, I have known Roy and Sharon for about 2 years and they have shown nothing but kindness, concern and generosity toward me and mine. As for his cards, I have seen them, heck I've held them in my hands and they look real enough to me, not that it matters, I know others that claim to be one thing but aren't what they claim (many hiding behind fake names and profiles). As for Them owing money, I know gifts and labor were exchanged, isn't that what you do with friends without expecting something in return?? Isn't that what Creator expects of us? None of us are perfect, I certainly don't claim to be. Third, The money for a boys home, I can't honestly say as I know nothing about it. Now I have a question: If this has been going on for years then where was all this moral outrage a couple of years ago when many of you were fawning over him and following him everywhere? Why this sudden need to destroy his life?? Shouldn't you just let Creator take care of it as we are taught? Now I believe I have acted with respect and expect the same. Thank You
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Hello tlstevens,
It's obvious there's personal history between some of you and I really want to avoid any of that. I'm interested to see if you have any insight into Roy's continued promotion as "grammy nominated". I've yet to see anything that would corroborate this claim. The Grammy site does not list Roy anywhere as a nominee. In Roy and Sharon's posts on the board they have not addressed this as well. Seems rather dishonest, but there is nothing coming from either of them in defense of it. What are your thoughts?
Superdog
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If in fact you held his cards did you not see that he spelled his own home town wrong when he made the card???I've known Sharon and Roy longer then you and people have tried before this to do something about their scamming just to meet with opposition and threats. Maybe you are still needed as part of their scams to voice what they need put out their. This is how Roy works getting people to say just leave it alone but I have seen no evidence that he is willing to answer truthfully or show proof about any questions that have been presented to him about where he was born, he is not part of the Cherokee nation, why all the lies about his family walking the trail of tears when it's a known lie. Why would you believe anything he tells you when it has been proven he has lied. You need to open your eyes,he starts out by earning your trust, much like a cult leader. I am sorry you have put so much faith in them that you can't see the truth that is right before your eyes.
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Why is it that these people who choose to follow these so called shamans
always have this belief that being Native is all harmony and love.
I always wonder where and who made this stuff up,
I wonder why a person would think we want to destroy a person life? We are
looking for truth and some people like to hide behind their truth.
Why say you Native when you are not all they have to say is whomthere family is.
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I've never known him to say he was a "shaman" He has always told me to look to the Bible and not "man" for answers. And what I have learned about being Native American (which I am and still learning) I did not learn from him, but from research and study. I am not blind or walking around with my eyes closed, I take Everything Everyone says with a grain of salt. I only tell you what I have been shown by him and know to be true. And I really did not "inspect" his cards, I said they looked real enough as they are different from mine (I am not Cherokee) I can only give my opinion. And as far as him "telling" me to say to just drop it, those are my words because I believe that everyone will get what they have coming to them one way or another. BTW I notice no one has addressed my question as yet.
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BTW Earthw7, My question addresses the reason I feel people are trying to destroy lives
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I've never known him to say he was a "shaman"
I agree with you there. He does, however, promote himself and his music as "Grammy nominated". No insight?
Superdog
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Now I have a question: If this has been going on for years then where was all this moral outrage a couple of years ago when many of you were fawning over him and following him everywhere? Why this sudden need to destroy his life?? Shouldn't you just let Creator take care of it as we are taught? Now I believe I have acted with respect and expect the same. Thank You
To answer how about take a spin on this....many people were lied to at first and didn't know any better at first because they were 'blinded' by lies and deceit. But then when the truth came out and lies were made against other people (some of them real Natives themselves) to put them down yet 'better' Roy's image enough was enough. There are enough people that got lied to in the last few years that they are now putting a stop to it before someone else gets taken advantage of. No one wants to destroy anyones life......they simply want the deceit, lies, and scamming to stop. And the last question about Creator......Perhaps Creator is handling all of this indeed.....by opening the eyes of those who have the will, strength, and courage to put a stop to all of this.
On another note how was your child pulled into this? From what I can decipher from the first few pages, a reply was made showing a link to a public forum much like this one that had a false statement about Roy. No one was attacking your child and it seems that it was purely informational gathering of lies and deceit that was showing exactly what Roy is trying to do....misinform the public about what he really is or does for the pure purpose of gaining material purposes (whether it is gifts, money, etc). People have to realize that the internet is not private....it's PUBLIC and nothing on the internet can be treated as such.
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@Superdog: Indeed I know nothing of that but do not see his name on any list. I will not lie for anyone. I call it as I see it.
@ kokopelli: "Take a spin on this" What in the world is that supposed to mean?? I did not say my child was attacked now did I?? And if you care to discuss it private message me as I said I will not discuss it here, That's what got me banned the first time.
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@Superdog: Indeed I know nothing of that but do not see his name on any list. I will not lie for anyone. I call it as I see it.
Ok, thanks for your response. There's been a lot of nonresponse in regards to this issue. Roy has been promoted, and continues (on his fb and upcoming performances) to promote himself as "Grammy nominated." I've tried to ask them directly here, but Roy and Sharon have avoided the question altogether. It's fair of you to say you know nothing about why they do it and I can accept that. I'm just trying to be fair too and give them (or at the very least friends of theirs since they don't respond about it) the chance to offer up their explanation of why there is nothing that backs up this claim of a Grammy nomination.
Until then, I think you'd agree, that's it's also fair to assume there's at least more to this story considering the fact that the Grammy site and the Recording Academy make no mention of Roy or his music anywhere. I think you'd also agree that Roy and Sharon's non-response to such a straight forward question is a bit deceptive.
Thanks for commenting.
Superdog
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@Superdog, I would agree. If it was me I would put all the proof needed to put these things to rest. I can't say what they are thinking (I don't know) My understanding is he has been permanatly banned from here.
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@Superdog, I would agree. If it was me I would put all the proof needed to put these things to rest. I can't say what they are thinking (I don't know) My understanding is he has been permanatly banned from here.
The mods can comment on that. I haven't seen anywhere in the thread that they've been banned.
Superdog
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Mr "revenge" (talk about a pompous nickname) you need to grow up. Stay on topic, show greater emotional maturity than the average 8 year old, and knock off the personal insults and bizarre behavior.
You can still login but temporarily can't post. Contact a moderator and apologize, and you'll be allowed to post.
Mr Glass, there are many questions awaiting you. Try using basic punctuation, it's very difficult to understand you.
Let's all stay on topic and not let one person's immaturity become the focus.
ETA: He/she is now banned, along with their attempted sockpuppets.
Ok....went back and found this post. Along with your pic, I consider myself corrected. My apologies. ;) However, communication is still open for Roy to respond. Please tell them they are welcome to.
Superdog
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Thank You Superdog. I will let them know. I wish people would PM or use the chat for some clarification on some things, but emotions run high on all sides. I'm just as guilty. :)
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@ kokopelli: "Take a spin on this" What in the world is that supposed to mean? I did not say my child was attacked now did I?? And if you care to discuss it private message me as I said I will not discuss it here, That's what got me banned the first time.
It means to ponder the other sides view for just a second. To walk in the shoes of the other side. To just stop leaning leftist and to consider all sides and be neutral.
You did rant about people stalking (same as cyber attack in my words) your child and got very aggravated about it but those posts were deleted when you were rightly banned by the admins on here (who are doing a great job btw). Then several bogus threats were made because others were on a PUBLIC forum looking on a public profile. Hardly stalking but that's an old issue that doesn't need to be dredged up. Sorry about that.
Also private messaging is for the birds if people can't discuss things in a civilized adult manner. Just how I see it. Nothing to hide here.
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I agree with you Kokapeli there is NO need for private messages!!! that's just another good way to avoid replying to everyone in an upfront manner. NO one is trying to ruin anyones lives, just want the scamming to STOP and the truth to be told. Everyone on here has been upfront except for Mr. and Mrs. Glass and sorry to say tlstevens you seem to just want to do it all in private, nothing needs to be hidden now the TRUTH is out! This is not a revenge against the Glass's it's people wanting to know the TRUTH. Again his family was NOT on the trail of tears even though pictures were posted on his facebook (for all to see) of a little gown and a supposed diary, all this was way to easy to investigate and learn that it was a LIE....
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@ Kop and Wolflover I meant discussing my daughter and her stalkers in PM as it has Nothing to do with your issues with Roy. I'm not hiding anything. I am trying to see both sides if you would read my comments you will see but you being so defensive seems to be the norm. I already admitted Maybe I was a little harsh and defensive myself but wouldn't any of you be if it were your child? I think so if you are any kind of parent. I think if you knew the whole of the story you would understand. Please reread my comments from today. Thank You
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1. Having my child pulled into this and called a liar makes me a little unhappy.
2. As for his cards, I have seen them, heck I've held them in my hands and they look real enough to me, not that it matters...
3. As for Them owing money, I know gifts and labor were exchanged, isn't that what you do with friends without expecting something in return?? Isn't that what Creator expects of us?
4. Why this sudden need to destroy his life?? Shouldn't you just let Creator take care of it as we are taught? Now I believe I have acted with respect...
No, you clearly have not. In less than a day you've done nothing but try to obscure the issues with some of the more bizarre defenses I've ever seen.
1. If there's any supposed stalking going on, go to the cops. So far all we have is your highly charged claim with no evidence. Until you can produce a police report (and the deputy who I contacted has not mentioned this at all) let's call this what it is, an attempt to change the subject and attack the victims. So until we see proof, no more distractions.
2. Yes, it does matter. It's fraud. It's downright criminal. And clearly you can't judge very well.
Glass clearly is lying. He's half German, his mother was German and not Cherokee. There's no evidence of his ancestry at all.
This should matter very much since he's claiming to be a Cherokee musician, lying about both his ancestry and awards.
3. No, once again you change the subject and make a pretty bizarre defense.
Glass took money for a boys home that never got there. There was no "exchange". And no creator certainly ever said "Take for a charity and lie about it." Talk about a completely loony defense.
4. This is utterly ridiculous. No one is out to "destroy" anyone. Reporting fraud is not "out to destroy". Neither is investigation.
No more distractions, no more attacking rhe victims, and no more looniness from you. Try going off topic again and you'll be banned.
So let's hear it: why does Glass lie about who he is?
What happened to the funds he collected for the boys home? There are multiple accounts here.
Absolutely any orher discussion is off topic and won't be tolerated. Everyone else, don't play his game. Don't even respond when he tries to pull this nonsense.
Consider yourself warned again, with the finger posed over not only the ban button, but deletion of any further off topic distractions.
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@Educatedindian, I was commenting on what I absolutely know. They other claims I don't personally know about but if you read back I admitted to Superdog that I looked and did not see his name on any grammy list. The other things I am looking into. As I stated earlier I do not and will not lie for anyone. I am sorry you feel I am being evasive but I am truly not. I have not seen what others have or claim to. When I see I'm wrong I admit it, I have no problem with that. I feel I have been respectful today, I did not want to bring up anything not about this issue but I was accused of wanting to hide behind PMs, so my apologies. The "other" is being taken care of. Thank You
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Looks like Roy and Sharon have decided to forego any further discussion and instead choose to attack the board. Roy reposted a very long ramble by Sharon on his fb page. Not really even worth reposting here, but it matches the method of operation described by the posters who are past associates with them. When they're called out....try and discredit those who are asking questions.
Basically, she google searched the board and mined all the info from folks like John Lekay and others and put out an ad hominem on the board and on a person named "Allen Carroll" (lol...if you're gonna attack a person...at least get their name right. ;D)
Her thoughts are not very well put together, but if they want to stand on the side of Lekay, William Jervis (aka Turtle Winds Firewalker), Ashby et al be our guest.....Jervis may even contact them soon to offer his services (just beware of the "Cherokee massage").
Not one mention of the faux grammy nomination....but that would mean admitting there never was one.
Superdog
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If Mr. & Mrs. Glass can rant on and on on Roys facebook against this site then why don't they put it on this site for all to see, NO they have to do everything against people on their own site to just stir the pot and try to turn people against this site. I haven't seen any lies on here, but I sure have seen a lot of lies going on on their facebook pages! If everyone one on here is lying why don't they answer all the questions about themselves and tell their side of it, they can't because they can't answer these questions truthfully! Time to tell the truth and answer the question honestly or sit down and keep your mouth shut, oh sorry that's what their doing sitting down and not giving answers. They would rather rant on about this site not being truthful!!!
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TLSTEVENS: Have you considered that you have not concluded that you are one of us? We have all started with these people in the very place you stand! We have all felt like you and believed in them like you do. I do not question your fairness or honesty as they do spin a very convincing story. Personally, I have never met anyone as scheming and devious as these and therefore thought this must all be true. No one would make up so many lies, so much deceit, and bring it into ones life, as a friend, as a Brother! It was far too inconceivable for me. And, that is how they work. I still pray for these people. That Creator will touch their hearts and they will become honest with themselves, and then others. I pray that they will find happiness, themselves and their place. I know that they must be in very deep pain to live the lives they live. And for this, I hope for their change. They have been given much community, much love, much support and none of this is what they need. It is something much deeper. Something I cannot comprehend. I know in my heart that one day, when you question them, they will also turn on you, and for this, you are also in my prayers!
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Chikasha, your words are honest and from the heart...thank you...
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Looks like Roy and Sharon have decided to forego any further discussion and instead choose to attack the board. Roy reposted a very long ramble by Sharon on his fb page. Not really even worth reposting here, but it matches the method of operation described by the posters who are past associates with them. When they're called out....try and discredit those who are asking questions.
Basically, she google searched the board and mined all the info from folks like John Lekay and others and put out an ad hominem on the board and on a person named "Allen Carroll" (lol...if you're gonna attack a person...at least get their name right. ;D)
Her thoughts are not very well put together, but if they want to stand on the side of Lekay, William Jervis (aka Turtle Winds Firewalker), Ashby et al be our guest.....Jervis may even contact them soon to offer his services (just beware of the "Cherokee massage").
Not one mention of the faux grammy nomination....but that would mean admitting there never was one.
Superdog
Superdog, looks like Sharon Glass would rather target you and I on facebook then answer some truthful questions, very sad indeed. I personally don't understand that if they have nothing to hide why not answer the questions, if they feel the questions are wrong about them why say they wont address them because we hide behind names, if we are wrong what does using other names matter anyway, instead they choose to use their evasive tactics to avoid answering honest questions...wolflover
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And the same questions still have not been answered;
1- Why do you say you were born in Stillwell Oklahoma when YOUR birth certificate clearly shows you were born in S.C. (could it be because you are lying?)
2- Why do you say you are Grammy nominated ? (when it has been proven you were not)
3- Why are you stating on your facebook page, at Pow Wows (on the mike) at public events ETC.. that you are 3/4 Cherokee? - when you ARE NOT - your genealogy proves that is a lie.
4- Why do you continue to say you are a carded member of the Cherokee Nation? - YOU ARE NOT - Your card has been proven to be a fake! (you could not even spell your own hometown correctly on the fake card when you made it) Perhaps you should be more cautious next time.
5- Why do you promote the sell of your cd's as a Charity Fund for the Cherokee Children's Home? - when in Fact you have never donated ONE cent to any Cherokee children's organization - this also has been Proven. (You should be ashamed, using children this way)
6- Why ALL the LIES about your family walking the Trail of Tears, when there are TRUE NATIVES who had many family members who did - You Mr. Glass have made a mockery of their Ancestors on your facebook page and other places. All done as part of your SCAM to earn trust and cheat people of cash -
I think it is Clear enough for everyone to see -- These people will not tell the Truth, and will continue to manipulate, any way they can -- Looks like there are events coming up that he has lied his way into -- More victims who will pay dearly in the long run for trusting these people -- I pray for the coordinators of these events, and for the people who are bound to fall victim to Roy's lies and deceit -- Hold on to your wallets -- for it will COST you --
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Superdog, looks like Sharon Glass would rather target you and I on facebook then answer some truthful questions, very sad indeed. I personally don't understand that if they have nothing to hide why not answer the questions, if they feel the questions are wrong about them why say they wont address them because we hide behind names, if we are wrong what does using other names matter anyway, instead they choose to use their evasive tactics to avoid answering honest questions...wolflover
It's ok if she does that. My internet handle can take it. ;) The truth is...if there was nothing to hide, then they wouldn't hide anything. Any objective reader can figure out the grammy nomination is not real. So I'm gonna stop beating this dead horse. The point was proven. If she really wanted to have a discussion, she'd come here and do it rather than retreating to her fb wall.
Superdog
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Superdog, looks like Sharon Glass would rather target you and I on facebook then answer some truthful questions, very sad indeed. I personally don't understand that if they have nothing to hide why not answer the questions, if they feel the questions are wrong about them why say they wont address them because we hide behind names, if we are wrong what does using other names matter anyway, instead they choose to use their evasive tactics to avoid answering honest questions...wolflover
Superdog, unfortuately this is what happens, people give up cause the Glasses just wait the time out and post on their facebooks. They have taken advantage of TOO many people and I for one am not giving up til the truth is out there for everyone to see.They have taken so much money from people and then ruined those peoples reputation with their lies.Roy is not Cherokee but is out there preaching the Cherokee way. If the teachings were right it would be different but it isn't. Being Native American is an honor not something to be used to fill their pockets. The lies and manipulations have to stop...If it was just the grammy thing it would be different but the lies don't stop there, including sacred ceremonies that he doesn't know etc. etc. etc. enough said...wolflover
It's ok if she does that. My internet handle can take it. ;) The truth is...if there was nothing to hide, then they wouldn't hide anything. Any objective reader can figure out the grammy nomination is not real. So I'm gonna stop beating this dead horse. The point was proven. If she really wanted to have a discussion, she'd come here and do it rather than retreating to her fb wall.
Superdog
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The fact that he is perfectly comfortable at desecrating and bastardizing culture, tradition and ceremony through his lies and deceit speaks very strongly that he is NOT of Cherokee heritage. For this very same fact it also leads to question his religious conviction as well!
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Wonders how successful Barbara Walters would be at getting a story using a fake, stupid name like Wolflover, Bearheart, or Chickosatruth? If anybody thinks they have the right to ask me ANY questions they best be using their legal names and be telling me why what I do and how I live is any of their Damn business. I'm not targeting anybody or retreating anywhere, y'all need to just shut up and mind your own business.
Ho hum that's a very Christian like life ya living there cursing and all.
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Christianity, many times, has been just another role people put on to push their own agendas. It has been proven many times through history.
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Wonders how successful Barbara Walters would be at getting a story using a fake, stupid name like Wolflover, Bearheart, or Chickosatruth? If anybody thinks they have the right to ask me ANY questions they best be using their legal names and be telling me why what I do and how I live is any of their Damn business. I'm not targeting anybody or retreating anywhere, y'all need to just shut up and mind your own business.
Ho hum that's a very Christian like life ya living there cursing and all.
More evasive tactics, Sharon you know who we are, we are the ones who haven proven you and Roy are frauds...
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I don't fault you for your views Wolflover. I understand how vested you are in this. I think you mischaracterized my statement though. My comment on not beating this dead horse is not about giving up. Sharon can say what she likes on her fb page. It's her page, I have no problem with that. But, her page has a pretty severely limited readership....basically a close circle of friends and that's about it. I noticed Roy's pages are now private. The NAFPS forum is openly available on the internet. A google search on Roy's name has NAFPS listed first. A google search for Roy's name with the word "grammy", turns up his music fb page (which is now private) followed by the NAFPS thread on him. So, if their strategy is to curl up in a persecution complex as a place of comfort and not respond....then that's pretty much the same as shooting themselves in the foot. More people read here by far. By reposting mined information from some of NAFPS's haters, she's basically leading them here....another shot in the foot.
I'm not taking down anything I've posted here. Folks can read for themselves, but to continue to hammer this one single point home can be tiring to the conversation. The point was made. I have no problem with ongoing discussion about it and I'm not saying I wouldn't participate. I just don't feel it's necessarily productive at this point, unless they actually address it. The Grammy nomination is not real. This is easily verifiable with the links previously posted. It can also be reverified here:
A full list of 2012's grammy nominees
http://hollywoodlife.com/2011/12/01/2012-grammy-nominees-list-adele-kanye-west/
2011's nominees
http://www.buzzsugar.com/2011-Grammy-Nominees-Full-List-2010-12-01-234251-12355054
2010's nominees
http://www.buzzsugar.com/Full-List-2010-Grammy-Award-Nominees-2009-12-02-202228-6497686
So...really, it's ok if they want to attack my internet handle. If they were interested in discussion they'd come here and do so. Posting on their own walls about it is just preaching to the faithful....but someday those faithful will come here and read...and can click the links for themselves. The behavior of rolling up into a ball and going after individual character vs. the argument is another indication having no leg to stand on. It's the facts that disagree with them. I just agree with the facts.
Superdog
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Superdog, thanks for the post, everything you stated is true. I find it strange that she posts our real names on her FB wall but still says she wont talk to people who hide behind different names. The truth always comes out, she can write whatever she wants on FB about me doesn't make the fact that they are lying to people change, she says it's none of our business, it's everyone's business when people claim to be what they are not and use people even children...again thanks
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Interesting that even after all the proof comes out Roy and Sharon Glass are still twisting the truth with more lies. I was going to wait intil all the issues were investigated but thought I would go ahead and show you this. It is a letter from the Attorney General's office in Tahlequah, Ok. stating that Roy Glass is NOT a registered member of the Cherokee Nation..Part of the letter is not being shown at this time due to ongoing investigations.
So as Paul Harvey says, Wait for the rest of the story, as I will share as they come to light. It is time for these two frauds to face up to their lies and deceit. I have concerns of the venues he will be partaking in as they will be cheated and lied to as everyone else has. I regret having to stand by and watch people get suckered in to his wickedness.
By the way, they both placed their hand on the Bible and swore to tell the truth. They Lied and were caught at it. So much for their Christian claim.
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And this is what happens when someone ask a simple question such as when he became a chief and why the bonnet (which is not Cherokee) They are attacked by Lies and Hatefulness. That is why I warned in my first post that they would try to discredit everyone with lies. I thank the moderators for helping with all this, and I am very happy that this website exist. It is a Great service. I have learned so much and respect what it is doing as a service to the People.
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Here is Mr. Glass performing a so called healing ceremony! Now I don't know a lot about different traditions and ceremonies, but this one scares the hell out of me! He asked the person he was supposedly healing to provide $500 for gas money for supporters of the ceremony and to keep it a "secret in the tradition and spirit of the ceremony"! The so called supporters never received any gas money!
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We now have evidence Roy Glass is not Cherokee and has either altered the enrollment card
of a bona-fide Cherokee or has produced his own enrollment card. This information comes directly
from the Cherokee Nation Roy Glass claims to be an enrolled member of.
He has also never appeared on the David Letterman Show and was never nominated for a Grammy.
No monies were ever received from him by the Cherokee Boy's Home.
His relationship to Bill Glass has been denied by Bill Glass via NAFPS member MattOKC.
Fraud!
The picture of his "healing ceremony" is scary as hell!
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Who wears a BLACK face to a Cherokee healing ceremony, NOT any Cherokee's I know!!!! That is just SCARY!!!!!
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nor any other tribe no black face, why is he dressed in a tradition dance outfit
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Because he is does not know any better! This is a give away! he is a fraud, through and through!
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Well the Facebook page now has the birthplace removed and the 3/4 claim removed. Simple says "Come see for yourself."
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He still claims his hometown is Stillwater, OK ! We all know that is a lie as well. His own brother told me that he has never even been to Oklahoma! By the way, does this look anything remotely possible for a Cherokee wedding? WTF!
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He still claims his hometown is Stillwater, OK ! We all know that is a lie as well. His own brother told me that he has never even been to Oklahoma! By the way, does this look anything remotely possible for a Cherokee wedding? WTF!
Here is a post from Mrs. Glass on FB! We all remember her claiming that the bonnet wore in their Wannabe marriage was on loan from and blessed by the elders in Tahlequah! This is finally a bit of truth!!!
Sharon Brickle Glass
10 hours ago near Buffalo, SC via mobile
And, if you must know, I bought the Headress for Roy Spotted Eagle. I didn't know any better at the time. Never did I imagine that a gift bought out of love would be part if an ugly controversy. For that, you coyotes can bite me, just saying. SMDH
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[Sharon Brickle Glass
10 hours ago near Buffalo, SC via mobile
And, if you must know, I bought the Headress for Roy Spotted Eagle. I didn't know any better at the time. Never did I imagine that a gift bought out of love would be part if an ugly controversy. For that, you coyotes can bite me, just saying. SMDH/quote]
And why didn't he just say that in the first place?
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[Sharon Brickle Glass
10 hours ago near Buffalo, SC via mobile
And, if you must know, I bought the Headress for Roy Spotted Eagle. I didn't know any better at the time. Never did I imagine that a gift bought out of love would be part if an ugly controversy. For that, you coyotes can bite me, just saying. SMDH/quote]
And why didn't he just say that in the first place?
This is another lie about the bonnet. Seems she cannot remember what she has told to whom? and about What?
What we were told by "Spotted" was that the bonnet belonged to his Grandfather who lived on the Rez in Oklahoma. He was this great medicine man who tended to the wild Mustangs there, and worked for the tribal office. Said his Grandfather was even called in as a consultant on the Ammityville horror investigation. We have a picture of his 'real' grandfather. Seems all his family members know what a fraud he is and seems to have always been.
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I was kinda being sarcastic on that one because if she had been telling the truth, she would not have to make up so many stories. :P Kinda makes life easier when you don't have to remember which story you told to which person. ;)
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What we were told by "Spotted" was that the bonnet belonged to his Grandfather who lived on the Rez in Oklahoma. He was this great medicine man who tended to the wild Mustangs there, and worked for the tribal office. Said his Grandfather was even called in as a consultant on the Ammityville horror investigation. We have a picture of his 'real' grandfather. Seems all his family members know what a fraud he is and seems to have always been.
Roy's actual paternal grandfather is Francis Satterwhite Glass, here are some records:
Name: Francis S Glass
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Union, Union, South Carolina
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: North Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated): 1902
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SPZK-6Y3 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SPZK-6Y3)
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U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records
Name: Francis S Glass
Birth Year: 1901
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: South Carolina
State of Residence: South Carolina
County or City: Union
Enlistment Date: 16 Sep 1940
Enlistment State: South Carolina
Enlistment City: Union
Branch: Infantry
Grade: Sergeant
Component: National Guard
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Social Security Death Index
Given Name: Francis
Surname: Glass
Birth Date: 5 August 1901
State: South Carolina
Last Place of Residence: Union, Union, South Carolina
Event Date: July 1980
Age: 79
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VSRP-DMK (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VSRP-DMK)
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Sharon Brickle Glass
3 hours ago near Buffalo, SC via mobile
Wolf lover, what was it you said about abusing drugs for 35 years? It's taken it's toll, hasn't it? I guess you can't see how you have been manipulated and used to do somebody else's dirty work. Oh well, I guess it's Ok because I'm sure you've gotten a free ride everywhere and then some. It's nice to have everyone else do your dirty work, right Jezebel? That way you can continue to play the innocent, sniveling victim who wants to" fix everything for everybody."
Hi everyone, my name is Daisy Burke AKA Wolflover. This is what Sharon Glass posted on her FB about me. I am 66 years old and yes I drank and did drugs from the age of 20 till 35. I want everyone to know that I am VERY proud of my sobriety and I want to ask Sharon Glass WHAT does this statement have to do with Roy and you being frauds. I'm not the fraud but we all know yall are...back to basics answer the questions we have posted and answer them truthfully instead of going off topic once again to slander me...enough said...
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When I traveled in Roy Glass' circle, he had BLUE eyes! His birth records state he has BLUE eyes! In court last week he had BROWN eyes! Others have spoke of him having ONE BLUE and ONE BROWN eye and him stating "the BLUE EYE, is my EAGLE EYE!" He also claimed in his so called healing ceremony that his energy was so intense that it melted the ring on his finger and burned his finger. When in fact, a friend of mine saw him burn that very finger the day prior to this so called ceremony.
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wolflover/Daisy,
Being clean and sober is something to be proud of. The reason Sharon is bringing it up is to deflect from what they are doing. They know they are frauds. You are trying to expose them and take away the fantasy and the money train.
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Thank you debbieredbear for your comment, my sobriety is something i'm very proud of. They can harasse me all they want to, it wont stop me from telling the truth about them and what they are doing to people by hiding behind the name of the Cherokee people and hiding behind Jesus. I am a firm believer in karma. Like I said i'm 66 and they are not the first frauds I have met along the way... you can run but you can't hide from the truth. Thank you and this site for all your help...Blessings
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Roy and Sharon Glass are only trying to deter attention from the true issues which have already been proven here. My wife and myself have been under her attack also Wolflover, as you know these sort of tactics are what they do. We have already met them in court over money they took under false pretenses. We WON the case due to having documentation proving such. They are angry and foaming at the mouth right now. Such tactics as her post today only prove the character of a True Fraud and Liar. We are beyond that sort of foolishness. We have taken advise from this forum as well as law enforcement and legal council is very aware of their tactics. It will not work, anymore than it did in the courtroom. The truth is the truth. Roy Glass can No longer throw his fake card in anyone's face, humiliate them with fake authority or use the Good name of the Cherokee Nation to do his dirty biddings. Thanks to this forum he will find it harder to cheat people out of their cash and manipulate his way into their lives. The fact that he has removed 3/4 Cherokee, from western band bird clan, Oklahoma, and removed the Grammy nominated from his pages--speaks for his guilt--Simple as that.
He does have 3 venues coming up with a 'Chief Jim Wilson' Drums on the Yadkin in Jonesville N.C. Strong Sun Pow Wow in Kernersville N.C. and another in Virginia BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE
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Here is another post on FB by Mrs. Glass:
Sharon Brickle Glass
3 hours ago near Buffalo, SC via mobile
Lets see, what can I put on here today, that Newagefraud can repost to continue to make asses of themselves? You are all ignorant of the truth. You've spent all this time trying to destroy someone when l you are doing is hurting yourselves by doing so. You cannot take away who he is. And you also cannot take away the fact that Jezebel is a scorned woman, a rabbit boiler because she had misplaced feeling for my husband. Common occurrence with counselors, clergy, etc. Give it up, go live your lives, or keep making up stuff for your little site thingie. All ya'll ratchet anyhow. LOL
Notice where she states "Common occurrence with counselors, clergy, etc." So, she is claiming that Roy Glass is a Counselor? A Clergyman? Or, Etc. What is included in Etc.? Medicine Man? Holy Man? Spiritual Man? Healer? Sounds like she is admitting that he was claiming to be something of the sort!
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Roy and Sharon Glass are only trying to deter attention from the true issues which have already been proven here. My wife and myself have been under her attack also Wolflover, as you know these sort of tactics are what they do. We have already met them in court over money they took under false pretenses. We WON the case due to having documentation proving such. They are angry and foaming at the mouth right now. Such tactics as her post today only prove the character of a True Fraud and Liar. We are beyond that sort of foolishness. We have taken advise from this forum as well as law enforcement and legal council is very aware of their tactics. It will not work, anymore than it did in the courtroom. The truth is the truth. Roy Glass can No longer throw his fake card in anyone's face, humiliate them with fake authority or use the Good name of the Cherokee Nation to do his dirty biddings. Thanks to this forum he will find it harder to cheat people out of their cash and manipulate his way into their lives. The fact that he has removed 3/4 Cherokee, from western band bird clan, Oklahoma, and removed the Grammy nominated from his pages--speaks for his guilt--Simple as that.
He does have 3 venues coming up with a 'Chief Jim Wilson' Drums on the Yadkin in Jonesville N.C. Strong Sun Pow Wow in Kernersville N.C. and another in Virginia BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE
I find it very interesting that he has teamed up with another man on this site! HMMMMM!
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Wolf lover, what was it you said about abusing drugs for 35 years?
I am 66 years old and yes I drank and did drugs from the age of 20 till 35.
There is quite a difference between 35 years and 15 years. I commend you, also, wolflover, for your sobriety. Many people struggle with addictions and many people do not manage to break free.
IMHO, Sharon needs to refresh her memory on many things. She should especially go back to Matthew and reflect on the words:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207&version=KJV
Especially:
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
And:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
And:
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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All ya'll ratchet anyhow
What in the world does ratchet mean?
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Definition of ratchet (from the urban dictionary website):
A diva, mostly from urban cities and ghettos, that has reason to believe she is every mans eye candy. Unfortunately, she's wrong.
Typical signs to beware of include, but are not limited to:
-owning a Blackberry
-BLARES anything by Drake, 2Chainz, Nicki Minaj, Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka, Lil Wayne, T-Pain, Cali Swag District, or any other garbage entertainment rapper
-rowdily quotes "lyrics" from aforementioned artists
-has a weave reminiscent of a bird's nest after a tempest hit the tree it was in, and is dyed at least thrice
-wears torn leggings/stalkings (mostly of the fishnet variety), unpolished 8" heels (or higher, depending on how God-awful they look), fitted jean jackets (to accent the blubber 'round their arms and stomach), and 4 layers of caked on make-up to go clubbing
-repeatedly use ludicrous terms such as "YOLO", "swag", "boost", "beaking", "doe", "really", "naw", "actually", "twerk", "coaster", "dagga", etc., to make a valid statement when they speak
-have side bangs, despite having incredibly small-ass foreheads to support them
-are commonly overweight
and are mind-numbingly stupid; a safe assumption to make would be saying they're uneducated (as if they could pass the 4th grade)
If spotted, please report to the authorities, notifying them that they are possible smack addicts, or potential, degenerate Chaka Khan look-alikes.
Definition of rabbit boiler (also from the urban dictionary website):
Noun: a crazy stalking ex. : usually female.
would kill the family pet to make his/her point.
man, i showed up at work and the rabbit boiler was present and waiting.
LIKE IN THAT MOVIE WITH GLENN CLOSE... "FATAL ATTRACTION". YOU KNOW, WHEN SHE BOILED THE RABBIT!
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A ratchet is also a tool that provides consistent, effective movement in one direction, like with a wrench. In that sense, I'm proud to be a ratchet, creating consistent effective movement in the direction of stopping frauds like Glass. :)
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Good one, Critter! Guess that makes me a ratchet too! rofl
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Sharon Glass just sent me an invite on Linkedin, asking to list me as a professional contact of hers. I have no idea why she thought I would want to be one.
Linkedin lists her profession as pharmacist.
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My wife got the same invite today on her e-mail from Sharon Glass. Can you imagine that? She didn't seem to like her much last week in court when all of their lies were being exposed. Things that make you go--somethings up? :o
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Sharon Glass just sent me an invite on Linkedin, asking to list me as a professional contact of hers. I have no idea why she thought I would want to be one.
Linkedin lists her profession as pharmacist.
This might be her here: http://www.corporationwiki.com/South-Carolina/Pacolet/sharon-brickle/86454628.aspx (http://www.corporationwiki.com/South-Carolina/Pacolet/sharon-brickle/86454628.aspx)
https://twitter.com/pill_pharmer (https://twitter.com/pill_pharmer)
I've seen her describe herself in supposed humorous terms along the lines of "legal pill pusher" in past online.
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A ratchet is also a tool that provides consistent, effective movement in one direction, like with a wrench. In that sense, I'm proud to be a ratchet, creating consistent effective movement in the direction of stopping frauds like Glass. :)
I'll stand up as a ratchet too.
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Maybe someone hacked her Linkedin account and thought it funny to send those invites?
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Sharon asked on her Facebook page yesterday if anyone knows how to edit names in LinkedIn, so it was definitely her
sending the invites. Although it is possible someone hacked her Facebook page as well, I seriously doubt that. Very
strange behavior.
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We know they are frauds, scammers and liers. Just another attempt to lie, scam, fool, deceive and manipulate. It just so happens that they are trying to hack into peoples computers, all of whom post on this page. Some of their computer hacking helpers have also posted on this page. And they are posting on FB that I am cyberstalking a 15 year old girl (last time she was 16, she growing younger). Can you say LIBEL?
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Ah. Just creating (or trying to) confusion.
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Yes, Juvenile Attempts to push away the TRUE issues: which are--
1-- FRAUD--PROVEN--Fake card-- Roy Glass has NEVER been a member of the Cherokee Nation as he so stated not only on his facebook but at EVERY event he attended (refer to pic of Roy holding said fake card in an attempt to intimidate and also letter from Attorney Generals Office in Oklahoma stating he has never been a member) Note* it's not about your amount of bloodline--it's that you LIED about the whole thing.
2--FRAUD--PROVEN--Roy Glass was BORN in South Carolina NOT Stilwell Oklahoma as he always states again on EVERY media event possible. He even admitted in court that he was indeed born in S.C. although it took a while for him to admit it--he attempted to change the subject (It did not work) This one was also the subject of a fake police report being filed in an attempt to accuse me of breaking into his home and stealing it. It was given to us by a family member, who by the way was told to everyone that he was dead due to a gunshot wound at the age of 14. This was one of the first BIG lies exposed--Thank you Sharon Glass for that info. Even though you were quite shocked that you were overheard telling someone about Roy's brother being in a state of vegetation--and when confronted you again LIED and said it was his half-brother that was alive and that his brother had indeed died--AMAZING--Best looking corpse I've ever met--Very well capable of caring for himself and a pleasure to talk with. He IS in a wheel-chair--far cry from vegetation state. ???
3--FRAUD--PROVEN--NO Grammy nomination EVER existed--Not any-time--Not any-year !! (although Glass did try to make us understand in court that he was totally unaware that he was not a nominee intil the Friday before court when he received a phone call from the Grammy organization that he wasn't) :'( Waiting on that public announcement you spoke of.) :P
4--FRAUD--PROVEN--No money has EVER been donated from the sells of your cd's (are anything else) to the Cherokee Boy's Home or any other organization in Cherokee by you are your family (unless of course you have done it in the last few days) ::) In court you stated that we had misunderstood and the money was going to the Cherokee Orphanage in Texas. (a little info for you--they (Texas Cherokee Orphanage) have a 16 year data base--which does NOT have ANY record of you making ANY type of donation in 16 years) again more FRAUD PROVEN. (again statements from your facebook page over the years make reference to the sell of your CD's going to this type of Charity) Never happened--SHAME ON YOU--In my opinion you need to be in jail--based on this alone. >:(
5--FRAUD--PROVEN--You have NEVER appeared on David Letterman BECAUSE you were never asked or booked or anything remotely near to being booked-- TOTAL fabrication. :o ;D
6--FRAUD--PROVEN--Your Father nor your Grandfather or any other family member has ever lived in Oklahoma--Your Grandfather was NOT a Medicine man for the Nation--did NOT work for Tahlaquah with the wild Mustang program--and NO one in your family has ever pretended to be Native American (3/4 Cherokee) except you! (Glad to see it now removed) ;) There are NO journals from the trail of tears written in Cherokee by your Ancestors. SHAME again--we have watched many people cry when listening to your LIES about this. You Roy Glass and Sharon have played it to the point of PURE disgust. It is a disgrace to anyone's Ancestors.
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Bearheart, Yes indeed you speak the truth and THANK YOU...Now everyone knows the truth at last!!!!
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This is interesting. A blog created by Sharon. She's following the same method of operation described by the posters who brought this thread up. Basically, it's a generalized broad attack on the board, but names Al and accuses him of things like identity theft. It gets rather creative. For some reason she feels the need to tell people that they don't beat their children.....which is great....but I've never seen that claim mentioned here, so I wonder why she would add that. Still no mention of the grammy nomination lie... ;)
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com/2013/05/roy-spotted-eagle-speaks-out-against.html
"Roy Spotted Eagle Speaks Out Against New Age Fraud
Newagefraud.org targets Native Americans.
This Blog is in response to a very ugly personal attack on me and my family by individuals posting on a website, newagefraud.org. This is the most hate filled site I have ever seen. This site run by Al Carroll, AKA Alton Carroll, aka Educated Indian. He is guilty of identity theft, libel, and racism.
I am asking my family and friends to take a stand with me against these idiots. I have never sold any kind of ceremony. I do not do sweat lodges. I have never taken money to give to someone else. My wife and I have never beat my sons. I have not murdered anyone. I have never pulled anyone off to the side and asked for a "secret donation". I have never taken any money up for the Cherokee Boys Home in Cherokee, N.C. I have never claimed to be a healer. I have always said that there is but one healer, and that is our Father God. I do not play my music for fame or glory. I play for the Creator and his son Jesus Christ. My family and I need you to pray for us and stand with us against these hateful people. I any of you reading this have any questions or comments feel free to email me at royspottedeagle@gmail.com. May you all be blessed by the hands of our Creator."
Lotta venom though.
Superdog
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Yeah I also find it interesting that he had signed on as a member of NAFPS back in Oct 2012. I bet if you look at old posts you'll find him making claims against someone else! Once this post started, he cancelled his membership! Maybe he was just c waiting to see if HE HIMSELF showed up here!
As for the Grammy nomination, he has received a "Cease and Desist" letter from the Grammy Organization. He claimed he paid a company out of Atlanta and sent them 5 CD's and that was supposed to have been a "Nomination"! You can see the reason people, GOOD people are trying to make the general public aware of these lies and manipulations! This man will never stop this crap, so, we can only warn folks!!!!
Oh, and by the way, the blog is a part of their game as well. It is designed to suck people like myself into a lying, deceitful, manipulative, mud slinging because they are good at it. They ought to be, they devoted their life to it!!!!!
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Newagefraud.org targets Native Americans.
What???
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com/2013/05/roy-spotted-eagle-speaks-out-against.html
I think you have that twisted around, Sharon and Roy. The truth shall set you free!
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Hahaha.. well, isn't that funny? They just pointed publicly, all people who read their gaff, to come here and read this thread. Wow. Wonder how long it will be before those with some rational thinking will see what is being exposed. They've sort of cut off their nose to spite .. don't you think?
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Interestingly enough, the venomous post she had earlier posted on the blog has disappeared and been replaced with this:
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com/2013/05/roy-spotted-eagle.html#comment-form
" Roy spotted eagle
I have worked very hard to help many people of all cultures. I have been working very hard for creator our father God and Jesus Christ some of these people I have gone way out of may means to help. They know they are lying and just don't care I pray for them they are very sick people but most of all a lost people . I knew there where hate full people in this world from knowing what our Ancestors went threw I am strong and will not stop working for creator God and Jesus Christ and to those of you who believe there lies rather than see for your self who I am make your bed and lay in it. Hell is not a fake ask your ancestors and if you don't hear them go join them please. I'm sure they would enjoy your Company. I hear my ancestors and I have no Doubt I will join my ancestors in the Promise made to me by creator God and Jesus Christ ."
Although Roy's FB page is currently full of ad hominems on Al Carroll....once again mined information straight from John Lekay and William Jervis....and....everyone's favorite extremist right wing Comanche composer David Yeagley.
Interesting folks they're attempting to shoulder up with for sure...if they only knew.... ;)
Superdog
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He could just as easily write this:
I, Roy, have worked very hard to defraud many people of all cultures. I have been working very hard for the great con game I've developed over the years. I'm especially wounded by the fact that people who were under my influence have not only gotten free, but also now persist in exposing me.
I'll take refuge in the standard line of many con artists: "Those people are sick, lost, filled with hate. Poor me. I'm right with God, they are sinners. Don't pay attention to the facts, instead be distracted by my piteous yet courageous pronouncements. I'm Good. They are Bad. I'm Right. They are Wrong.".
Because I've been on an adrenaline high enjoying this con game so much for so long, now that it has all ground to a halt, I won't be able to stop talking and writing about it. I've invested too much to just let it all fade away now. What will I, Super Roy, do with these costumes, all these props? What do these people expect of me, do they think I could ever just be a normal hard working honest guy? Don't they realize how super humble and specially chosen by God I am?
Because I'm addicted to my own act, I'll keep trying to distract everyone with hurled insults and fervent prayers. I'll continue to insist that reasoned research and facts = hell demons out to persecute me. Poor me.
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Thank you Epiphany!!!! You have hit the nail on the head. As for this part "do they think I could ever just be a normal hard working honest guy? " He has never been a hard working honest guy! This man hides behind his sick wife and lets her go out and earn a living! When people call him on his crap and he feels backed into a corner, he ALWAYS make the claim that people are trying to harm his children! He know how to work the public claim Christianity, support the veterans and claim threats to children! I have never seen a true Christian do people this way. I have never seen a true Christian treat his wife and kids the way he does. As for the veterans, this is all new. He is not a veteran and has not claimed to support them until the last couple of years. This is not a man, but a coward who hides behind women and children! All to protect his scams and his ego. On his FB page it states "Self Employed and loving it"! What, JUST WHAT, EXACTLY DO YOU DO IN YOUR SELF EMPLOYMENT MR. GLASS?
As for the change on the blog, that has always been a part of their game as well. They post venomous, false, accusatory statements trying to suck people into mudslinging. After a few days or so, they delete them so they cannot be seen on their page any more, but still can on the screen shots!
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Ah yes, and the good Christians ALWAYS leave their brother in a wheel-chair with these words to live by; Intil you sign us as legal 'Power of Attorney' then you are on your own.. Yep, compassion and love if I ever heard it.. Thank goodness his brother is a smart man.. and has not seen him since..History is an amazing thing..and we ALL know his..Want proof people? It is easily found once you Stop and listen to the facts..I hope everyone will read this forum from start to finish..the facts are here, in black and white, and I again commend you all..Great Work..
Remember there is More to come..and it will..People are coming out of the wood-work (so to speak) it is amazing how many he has stolen and cheated..JUST AMAZING..
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Here's a post from today. Still claiming to be Cherokee! Notice how he capitalizes the "K" in Cherokee. I also find it telling how he states "my Jesus Christ ". Because his Jesus Christ is not the same as the rest of ours.
Roy Spotted Eagle
4 hours ago via mobile
Going to jonesville NC powwow for drumming flute playing dancing and most of all teaching about our CheroKee culture and our creator God and my Jesus Christ all are welcome to come join us have a blessed weekend and a safe one staying strong
Watch out Jonesville. In the second thought, he will be on his best behavior due to this site! Good going guys!!!
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Hi Everyone, have missed a few days getting on here, can't let that happen again...lol To all of you who responded about Sharon's blog (or should I say Roy's, cause he always makes her do his dirty work for him) You've all got his number, I find it funny that he is going to a Pow Wow with another known fraud Jim Wilson, two of a kind...Watch your back people, he and Sharon NEVER stop scheming!!!
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Can someone explain to me how you can teach 'your' CheroKee culture when on this very site it was proven that you are about as white as they come?
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Exactly our point!!!! He will not stop due to the dynamics that Epiphany pointed out! Too much shame for a small man to handle!
He could just as easily write this:
I, Roy, have worked very hard to defraud many people of all cultures. I have been working very hard for the great con game I've developed over the years. I'm especially wounded by the fact that people who were under my influence have not only gotten free, but also now persist in exposing me.
I'll take refuge in the standard line of many con artists: "Those people are sick, lost, filled with hate. Poor me. I'm right with God, they are sinners. Don't pay attention to the facts, instead be distracted by my piteous yet courageous pronouncements. I'm Good. They are Bad. I'm Right. They are Wrong.".
Because I've been on an adrenaline high enjoying this con game so much for so long, now that it has all ground to a halt, I won't be able to stop talking and writing about it. I've invested too much to just let it all fade away now. What will I, Super Roy, do with these costumes, all these props? What do these people expect of me, do they think I could ever just be a normal hard working honest guy? Don't they realize how super humble and specially chosen by God I am?
Because I'm addicted to my own act, I'll keep trying to distract everyone with hurled insults and fervent prayers. I'll continue to insist that reasoned research and facts = hell demons out to persecute me. Poor me.
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Now Sharon is posting on Roys page! She must have gotten spanked by someone! She is now trying to blame the posts here on a man that has never posted nor said a word about them in any public forum! At the same time, she is claiming it is all untrue and only due to hate.
That's right, "I HATE HOW YOU DO PEOPLE"!!!
Here is her post!
Sharon Brickle Glass He's been on there without any conclusions that I know of. You see, that it got VERY personal with Roy Spotted Eagle. I think that is because Al Carroll teaches at the community college in the town Jack Lynn lives in and that was Jack's contribution of hate for all the money he's been getting from Jezebel.
4 hours ago via mobile
Sharon Brickle Glass Jack Lynn and Al Carroll know each other, if not that Al Carroll knows Jackie. She's been in college for what 12 years now?
Take a look at this video. This contradicts what he told the Grammy Organization about having paid a company in Atlanta!! He claims that this poor recording was Grammy nominated.
http://www.yourcarolina.tv/video/entry/native_american_flute_player_roy_spotted_eagle
He claims the drum was passed down from his great grandfather! This is also a lie. I GIFTED THAT DRUM TO THOSE BOYS!!!! AND THE FLUTE TO ROY!!!! BEFORE I KNEW WHAT A FRAUD HE WAS!!!!
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Sharon Brickle Glass He's been on there without any conclusions that I know of. You see, that it got VERY personal with Roy Spotted Eagle. I think that is because Al Carroll teaches at the community college in the town Jack Lynn lives in and that was Jack's contribution of hate for all the money he's been getting from Jezebel.
4 hours ago via mobile
Sharon Brickle Glass Jack Lynn and Al Carroll know each other, if not that Al Carroll knows Jackie. She's been in college for what 12 years now?
Now THAT is funny....lol.....Al's barely said a word on this thread except to hand out some much needed bannings and to correct some erroneous claims made by posters on both sides....it's all your fault again Al... 8)
But honestly...what she says on her wall...it's really her business. If it wasn't reposted here she wouldn't do it anymore. She's basically trolling under a friendly bridge, but there's been a lot of feeding of that trolling. In the end, she's really making herself look bad with all the venom, not to mention that she's unknowingly aligning herself with some of the better known frauds out there by reposting their information. Like I said....if they only knew....
Superdog
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Sharon Brickle Glass He's been on there without any conclusions that I know of. You see, that it got VERY personal with Roy Spotted Eagle. I think that is because Al Carroll teaches at the community college in the town Jack Lynn lives in and that was Jack's contribution of hate for all the money he's been getting from Jezebel.
4 hours ago via mobile
Sharon Brickle Glass Jack Lynn and Al Carroll know each other, if not that Al Carroll knows Jackie. She's been in college for what 12 years now?
Sharon Brickle Glass He's been on there without any conclusions that I know of. You see, that it got VERY personal with Roy Spotted Eagle. I think that is because Al Carroll teaches at the community college in the town Jack Lynn lives in and that was Jack's contribution of hate for all the money he's been getting from Jezebel.
4 hours ago via mobile
Sharon Brickle Glass Jack Lynn and Al Carroll know each other, if not that Al Carroll knows Jackie. She's been in college for what 12 years now?
Now THAT is funny....lol.....Al's barely said a word on this thread except to hand out some much needed bannings and to correct some erroneous claims made by posters on both sides....it's all your fault again Al... 8)
But honestly...what she says on her wall...it's really her business. If it wasn't reposted here she wouldn't do it anymore. She's basically trolling under a friendly bridge, but there's been a lot of feeding of that trolling. In the end, she's really making herself look bad with all the venom, not to mention that she's unknowingly aligning herself with some of the better known frauds out there by reposting their information. Like I said....if they only knew....
Superdog
Who she is referring to is Roy's ex best friend Jack Lynn. She is claiming now that Jack has fabricated all of this along with Al Carrol because they have an association to the same town. Jack has been completely silent about them! Roy turned on Jack because Jack is a MUCH better flute player than Roy. In fact most players are. He really is not much of a flute player as you can see on the video. I used to endorse him, until I found him to be such a fraud. At that time I began endorsing two young men who were both by FAR better flute players than Roy Glass. For this same reason, they have turned on them as well! Well dang, one of them won a Nammy last week!!!!!!!
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However, this is a bit more interesting chickashatruth. I'd suggest a screenshot:
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com
Chickasaw truth
Lets talk about this man his name Dana Ross flute maker when I meet this man he gifted me a flute we got really close to him and his wife tigger and so did my kids at the time his wife house was being foreclosed he explained he had a cabin for them to move in blue ridge Ga but it was not ready had a lot work to do to it I went there to help him with his cabin Bought Materials for him and worked on his cabin got it ready help him move all there stuff from Atlanta Georgia to blue ridge made 9 trips over 3,000 miles to help them and did not ask for any money in fact left him money I also bought flutes for him he got very upset with me at Christmas time because I told his wife he was going to do a sweat lodge for people and she got mad because she had plans for them to go spend time with her family he would not answer his phone when I would call him my boys made them Christmas present and wanted to give them to them he told my son to keep it he didn't want them and not to call him any more my boys where 9 years old at this time there where four flutes that he gifted to me and I packed them up and mailed them to him and explained in a letter what he had done to my kids heart I really don't have anything for this man and yes Dana Ross did sale Sweat lodge and now as far as his wife tigger she has Divorced him and talking to some of Dana's family I find out he's brother killed him self but police are looking really hard at Dana because of the hate he had with his brother wow as I said before what a way to say thank you for your help.
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That's what's up there right now....along with another (this time signed by Sharon) basically more of the same...just fyi...
Superdog
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Superdog, I am Dana Ross, they know this and that is why they have posted these blatant lies!!!!! All of them. It is typical of someone like this to use a tragic suicide of my brother and accuse me of killing him??? WTF??? And, I am still married!! Another lie!!! This does not affect me. They are just trying to get me to state that I am in fact Dana Ross. Therefore they can start just what they have started. It doesn't matter.
The truth of my disconnecting from them is just as I have always stated, they are lying, manipulating frauds!!!! I was the one he spun the David Letterman scam on and he got many more than 4 flutes. This man sought me out, targeted me and spun this scam in front of 25 people. There are witnesses!!
As for "wrote by unknown", this is Roy, he can't write and he can't spell! You are a little man Roy Glass, a boy!!!
Again, can you say LIBEL???
However, this is a bit more interesting chickashatruth. I'd suggest a screenshot:
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com
Chickasaw truth
Lets talk about this man his name Dana Ross flute maker when I meet this man he gifted me a flute we got really close to him and his wife tigger and so did my kids at the time his wife house was being foreclosed he explained he had a cabin for them to move in blue ridge Ga but it was not ready had a lot work to do to it I went there to help him with his cabin Bought Materials for him and worked on his cabin got it ready help him move all there stuff from Atlanta Georgia to blue ridge made 9 trips over 3,000 miles to help them and did not ask for any money in fact left him money I also bought flutes for him he got very upset with me at Christmas time because I told his wife he was going to do a sweat lodge for people and she got mad because she had plans for them to go spend time with her family he would not answer his phone when I would call him my boys made them Christmas present and wanted to give them to them he told my son to keep it he didn't want them and not to call him any more my boys where 9 years old at this time there where four flutes that he gifted to me and I packed them up and mailed them to him and explained in a letter what he had done to my kids heart I really don't have anything for this man and yes Dana Ross did sale Sweat lodge and now as far as his wife tigger she has Divorced him and talking to some of Dana's family I find out he's brother killed him self but police are looking really hard at Dana because of the hate he had with his brother wow as I said before what a way to say thank you for your help.
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That's what's up there right now....along with another (this time signed by Sharon) basically more of the same...just fyi...
Superdog
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Here is her post!
Sharon Brickle Glass He's been on there without any conclusions that I know of. You see, that it got VERY personal with Roy Spotted Eagle. I think that is because Al Carroll teaches at the community college in the town Jack Lynn lives in and that was Jack's contribution of hate for all the money he's been getting from Jezebel.
4 hours ago via mobile
Sharon Brickle Glass Jack Lynn and Al Carroll know each other, if not that Al Carroll knows Jackie. She's been in college for what 12 years now?
I don't know anyone named Jack Lynn. I didn't know who Sharon Glass was before this thread, and except for her posts on this thread and her bizarre Linkedin invite, haven't had any contact with her.
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Educatedindian, She thinks she has all this " stuff " on you and is posting some very nasty things about you. We all know they are lies but she is doing her best to, at least on her posts, to get you thrown out of New Age. This is how they work, they are NEVER wrong, everyone else is!!She claims to be in litigation against you and newage. Just more of her BS, NO ONE takes her or Roy seriously except their few followers. He even stated on his post for his friends to "get their weapons out" the fight was on, he then took it off his page and rewrote it so it didn't sound like a threat. Same ol stuff, different day!!!
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LOL....omg.....it's getting more comic by the second.....this one's just a pic of Al and labeled "Labels: Alton Carroll hates Native Americans"
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com/2013/05/alton-carroll-aka-educatedindian.html
So....I guess you hate yourself now.....
They don't seem to be very good at smear campaigns.
Still no mention of the faux Grammy nomination....juss sayin'.... ;)
Superdog
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Roy and Sharon, present documents which prove our allegations are false or put a lid on it. It's
better to be quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Your
libelous statements do nothing for your cause other than make you look ridiculous. Not everyone
here is a "WannaBe" but everyone here will go to any lengths to stop spiritual predators such
as yourselves.
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Loudcrow, Well said and I totally agree with you!
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Sharon Brickle Glass
May 26 near Buffalo, SC via mobile
Sorry TICK TOCK POSSEE aka Andy Hammond, Diane Hammond, Dana Ross, Raven Woods, Daisy Burke, Gerard Bowles, Ramona Bowles, Jack Lynn, Jackie Lynn. Dawn Peters, Steven Williams, and Alton Carroll. I've been too busy to fool with the likes of you. I've been enjoying my life. Besides, you haven't taken anything from me and you won't. I've still got the Eagle and he has me. We will be just fine. Sorry y'all wasted all that time, money and effort to try and destroy good people. I guess that's just what ratchet, trifling folks do. Just Saying.
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Well I see they have added Al Carroll to the Tick tock possy...Who's next...lol!
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I'm part of a"possee" with people I never heard of? ::)
Not a single one of them...she's approaching Glen Beck-levels of paranoia and conspiracy claims.
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I'm part of a"possee" with people I never heard of? ::)
Not a single one of them...she's approaching Glen Beck-levels of paranoia and conspiracy claims.
Educatedindian, She gets off on drama. Her mission in life is to be at conflict with others. She is plotting and scheming every minute of her life. She doesn't even realize that her WANNABE husband hides behind her and his children. He lets her go to work, bring home the bread and fight his battles for him. She has yet to realize that when it all comes down, he will simply say, "It was not me, I didn't do it, I didn't say it!" "It's not my fault"! Not a man at all! Time will prove it all!
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What is the latest on this man? Is he and his wife still participating in fraudulent activity? Has it been proven without a doubt that this man is indeed a fraud?
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Read all the posts, the truth is apparent!
Now he is appearing in a poor movie as a wannabe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t_JgBHs0bs
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After all of the proof on this site and having lost his case in civil court for "Theft by Deception", he still has not altered his ways in the least. We need to keep up the exposure of all of his fraudulent activities. I can't wait to see the backlash!!!!!
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This is the caption over the smudging picture on facebook, "Chefe Roani, com o meu apoio, o apoio da Nacao Cherokee - que nos EUA me adotaram com Sam Cavalo Forte.
PAZ, UNIAO e LUZ. Saudacoes do meu mentor local, o Bravo Roy Spotted Eagle
(TRANSLATION)Chief Roani, with my support, the support of the Cherokee Nation in the USA adopted me with Sam Strong Horse.
PEACE UNIAO, and LIGHT. Greetings from my local mentor, the Bravo Roy Spotted Eagle (Translated by Bing)
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Here he is in the local newspaper announcing a Native American festival. This was posted by the paper from a file from last year. He was denied being able to participate in the entertainment or facilitating any of the functions. After being denied, he paid a vendors fee and set up his own deal. He posted videos of them playing a Pow Wow drum that I had gifted his two boys. Again, under false pretenses. He claims this was passed down through his family. As the maker of that drum, it is my responsibility to dismantle it if it is being desecrated or disrespected in any manner. Well, yes it is and I fully intend to dismantle this drum!
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Hard to believe this man can even hold his head up straight and look anyone in the eye. Just as a child would act is how he acted at the Pacolet pow wow,they wouldn't allow him on stage so he had to do it under his own little tent, who does he think he is fooling. Everyone knows Roy is a fake and a fraud, if he was the man he says he is he would admit his lies and try to be a better human being instead of acting the fool. He thinks he can continue to brainwash everyone but in fact EVERYONE has his number and no one believes in his childish ways any more!
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Hello Everybody ... I wish to reply to those comments made about the movie clips from "Knight Of The Gun" shown here, in which Roy Spotted Eagle makes an appearance. I have been working on both sides of the camera for this film since it's very beginning, & IT IS a very low budget film. Virtually all of the actors/actresses appearing in said film are unpaid volunteers, & shooting was done on weekends, when cast members were able to be on set. Whether or not you dislike the fact that Roy does appear in the movie ... IT IS NOT A BAD MOVIE!! Now, to explain Roy's appearing ... at the time he was cast in this film, he was still considered a good friend of virtually ALL of those people of whom are mentioned in previous postings (Though not mentioned on here, I also fall into that category), & he had not yet turned on them, or been "unmasked" as a complete fraud!! It is VERY DIFFICULT to get any Native Americans in the area of Virginia where we filmed, so we asked Roy if he would take a role, & he accepted. His former friend Jack Lynn also appears in this film! Roy's true nature was not revealed until well after his scenes had already been shot, so it was decided to leave them intact, rather than have to re-gather the cast members, find a replacement, & to re-shoot multiple scenes! Despite his true nature being out there, he does still have the "look" that we originally wanted, & the Director/Producer did not want to lengthen the production process, as sometimes getting the main characters together for a weekend shoot was like "herding cats" ;)
I am fully aware of Roy Spotted Eagle's ridiculous claims, & though he did indeed "assist" me when I was in a difficult situation, I certainly cannot, & will never condone any of his fraudulent claims, & his desecration of the Cherokee heritage! All I ask is that please do not condemn "Knight Of The Gun" as a "bad" movie just because he appears in the film, & especially because those of us who were a part of "his circle" at that time did not know the truth of his actions.
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Fair enough MajorNuisance. Actually, I did not see the movie, just the trailer in which they showed Roy. Based on that, I judged the entire movie. I apologize for this and will see if I can edit my comments about the movie. However, real Native or not, having the look or not, HIS acting literally sucks!
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Despite his true nature being out there, he does still have the "look" that we originally wanted
You know, Roy E Glass banks on that "look".
He has the "look" that we deluded outsiders believe in. We outsiders eventually have to take a stand and stop letting Roy and other frauds continue to perpetuate fraud.
Roy is your problem. Not us.
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so if he is claiming to be cherokee why is he not wearing cherokee regalia?
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Because he doesn't know what Cherokee regalia is!!!!
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After losing a civil case for theft by deception, Mr. Glass and his wife decided to appeal the ruling. The appeal was subsequently denied. They then decided to ignore the judgement. After being served notice of seizure of property, they have decided to attack the county law enforcement and judicial system. Here is the latest post on Facebook by J. Edgar Cooter, director of the FBI (Fraudulent Bullshit Indians), Roy Glass.
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Here he is with natural hair, then dyed hair, then playing Billy Jerk!
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Here is what they do when someone tries to expose them. This is in reference to my oldest Brother having just committed suicide. These are the kind of people they are, without conscience!!!!!
http://sharonglass.blogspot.com/2013/05/chickasaw-truth.html
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I want to post the content of the previous post as they will most likely remove it. As with everything else, there is no truth to any of it. Here is the post on a blog site:
Roy Spotted Eagle Speaks Out Against New Age Fraud
MONDAY, MAY 20, 2013
Chickasaw truth
Lets talk about this man his name Dana Ross flute maker when I meet this man he gifted me a flute we got really close to him and his wife tigger and so did my kids at the time his wife house was being foreclosed he explained he had a cabin for them to move in blue ridge Ga but it was not ready had a lot work to do to it I went there to help him with his cabin Bought Materials for him and worked on his cabin got it ready help him move all there stuff from Atlanta Georgia to blue ridge made 9 trips over 3,000 miles to help them and did not ask for any money in fact left him money I also bought flutes for him he got very upset with me at Christmas time because I told his wife he was going to do a sweat lodge for people and she got mad because she had plans for them to go spend time with her family he would not answer his phone when I would call him my boys made them Christmas present and wanted to give them to them he told my son to keep it he didn't want them and not to call him any more my boys where 9 years old at this time there where four flutes that he gifted to me and I packed them up and mailed them to him and explained in a letter what he had done to my kids heart I really don't have anything for this man and yes Dana Ross did sale Sweat lodge and now as far as his wife tigger she has Divorced him and talking to some of Dana's family I find out he's brother killed him self but police are looking really hard at Dana because of the hate he had with his brother wow as I said before what a way to say thank you for your help.
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This is the letter we showed earlier from the Cherokee Nation stating Roy Glass is Not a member. This is the complete letter, now, that we have spoken to the other bands and it has been confirmed that he IS Not carded with the Eastern band or with the Bureau of Indian Affairs. He has No REAL CDIB card. Also it has been confirmed with the Keetoowah Band that Roy Edgar Glass born on 3-9-1964 in the State of S.C. is NOT a member nor has he ever been. His ancestors were NOT on the trail of tears, nor were they Cherokee. They were all white. Every document we have found proves this, along with members of his family. A brother who lives in Union, as well as family in Seneca S.C. They all have stated Roy Glass is not Native at all but of white & German blood. Several of his ex- wives have also stated he was Not claiming to be Cherokee when married to them, he was white. They also stated he was nothing but Scum. (a personal opinion) :P He was claiming however to be many things, such as a ghost hunter, cowboy and a Black belt in the martial arts etc.. he even had a fake trophy showing he had won competitions. Only thing was it was purchased at a yard sale, or flea market and when he had it put in the local newspaper it did not contain his name. Imagine that!! :o Yes, Mr. Roy Glass has been quite the SCAM CON his entire life. How he has managed to get away with this for So long is Amazing. As for the charity he was scamming by taking up money for a Boys home, that has been turned over to the proper channels and is still being investigated. No Charity was ever given except to his own pocket.
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Sorry forgot to attach the letter from Cherokee Nation, so here it is --- and yes, I am Andy Hammond.
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Here is another caption and picture from his Facebook page.
"Thomas Glass 1852 we lost our land we hurt we saw our brothers and sisters fall down to their deaths we sang songs as we walked threw the snow we had no food we prayed we fell with sickness we cried we held on when there was nothing to hold we bleed inside and out we have no feet to stand with we crawl as our life freezes our songs are strong great spirit creator hears us all his son warms us to keep going threw ice and snow we cried Thomas Glass died in 1858 he was hung by the neck for steeling a horse that he didn't have Thomas Glass my great uncle we will sing the songs in Honor of this great Cherokee Brave in his words I hang on to what's not said and I wish to share that with all of you and that is we didn't quit AHO many blessing to you all stay strong"
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According to that grave stone, he was only 8 month old when he died.
Here is a very telling post on Facebook by Mrs. J. Edgar Cooter telling all about herself!
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Is it just me or is anyone else bothered by Roy's inability to use punctuation? :o
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Is it just me or is anyone else bothered by Roy's inability to use punctuation? :o
It appears he is some what illiterate or has a very bad learning disability. Maybe this is one of the reasons why he does what he does.
Diana
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This man happens to be very intelligent. However, he never applied it in school, or on a real job. He spends all his intelligence on scamming people and always has. Perhaps when he is sitting behind bars he can learn reading writing and grammar. There is so much more to his story than what is on this site. Tick Tock!
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This man happens to be very intelligent. However, he never applied it in school, or on a real job. He spends all his intelligence on scamming people and always has. Perhaps when he is sitting behind bars he can learn reading writing and grammar. There is so much more to his story than what is on this site. Tick Tock!
I'm not saying he isn't intelligent, I'm saying he obviously has some kind of literacy problem. I've read his writing and it's atrocious. Besides not knowing how to use punctuation he can barely write a coherent sentence.
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It seems Roy & Sharon Glass have not considered themselves being Cherokee for very long --- this is a copy of their marriage license --- they both filled out their race as --- ??? white --- Imagine that :-\ So just when did they decide to steal the Cherokee culture?? THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD
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Thomas William Glass (or William Thomas) 15 Dec 1925 - 6 Aug 1926, Union South Carolina was the brother of Roy's father Donald Edgar Glass. His race listed as white. Their parents Francis Satterwhite Glass and Lenora Howell.
Here is his death certificate.
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https://www.facebook.com/sharon.b.glass?fref=ts
Take a look at this vile, vile woman on Facebook. What she writes is always demeaning and targeting good people who oppose what they are doing and trying to expose them.
Here is another bit of truth posted by Sharon Brickle (Sharon Glass). She is absolutely right in this, that is why we will not allow it anymore!
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Has Roy made specific claims about his supposed military service?
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Has Roy made specific claims about his supposed military service?
That would be a good question for Lt. Black --I have heard that he has made claim to be a Vietnam Veteran by others, but we have to say he did not go that route with us --only the 3/4 Cherokee/Holy man/gifted healer/Grammy award winning flute player Etc.. role with us. I do know he is involved with a Veteran group -- sad that they have no idea who he really IS.
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Here is a post on Facebook by the Good Christian Woman, Sharon Brickle Glass! This is her own self portrayal.
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Considering she is always calling us the pagans and witches, I find this cartoon very telling as to who the Pagan and or witch is!
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When we were in court, I noticed that Roy's eyes were now brown as well as his hair was black. Look at these two pictures and notice how one is brown and one is blue, but they are reversed in these two pictures. What's up with that?
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He forgot which eye to put the blue contact lens in? :)
In this video Roy says that his great grandfather John Glass and great grandmother Ann Glass, on December 16, 1838, buried their two year old child who had frozen to death in the snow.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkYFajrnSWw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkYFajrnSWw)
He has the names wrong, his great grandparents are John Davis Glass and Julia R (Satterwhite) Glass. He has his dates wrong, these two ancestors lived about 1879 - 1906. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19515419 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19515419) They were not on the Trail of Tears.
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His eyes are both blue. He forgot which one to put the brown contact in. In court, they were both brown.
He can't keep his facts straight because they are all lies.
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His eyes are both blue. He forgot which one to put the brown contact in. In court, they were both brown.
He can't keep his facts straight because they are all lies.
So funny, except for the fact that he defrauds so many people.
So his eyes are blue, sometimes he wears brown contacts in both eyes, sometimes in one. I assume he sometimes wears brown contacts because he thinks that makes him look NDN. I wonder if the wearing of one brown contact only is supposed to make him look literally "mixed" or if he also claims it is a sign that he is extra special spiritual.
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You hit the nail on the head. He claims one of them is his spiritual insight eye or some crap like that.
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He calls it his eagle eye :o
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According to that grave stone, he was only 8 month old when he died.
Here is a very telling post on Facebook by Mrs. J. Edgar Cooter telling all about herself!
that buckskin dress and teepee look real cherokee.....
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Here is a post by Sharon Brickle, Roy Glass's wife. It is about me. It is in response to a Chickasaw prayer that I sent them wishing them peace as I know THEY are the cause of their own emotional torment. First, what she posted was not the prayer I sent her. it was a prayer that I posted after my Mother had passed away about my anger and darkness over her needless death in May. She totally manipulated this.
Second, she puts down the flutes that I make claiming they are made in a bad light, in a bad energy. Now, look at the picture taken this week of Roy playing one of MY flutes and all the other flutes on the floor that are MY flutes as well. Also, the drum is MY drum as well. Before discovering what frauds they were, I had gifted this drum to Roys twin boys. He tells lies of it being passed down through his family from his grandfather.
By the way, what the hell does he have on his feet? Walmart Mukluks!!!!
Sharon Brickle
Sharon Brickle's photo.
November 10 at 1:05pm via mobile
Michael Ann Marie Rothrock Sharon.....what does this say???
November 10 at 2:48pm via mobile
Sharon Brickle Up above there is a translation. Idk what the point was in sending it to me. What I got was the other language and not the translation. I googled the first part of it and it led to the mans FB page. He makes Native American style flutes. I hope he finds some peace with what he is doing. A flute is a spiritual instrument. It should be made by a person who is balanced in their walk here on earth.
November 10 at 3:03pm via mobile · 1
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nice bustle, roach and moon boots....ALSO real traditional cherokee of him :D
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This man is a disgrace to the Native Americans, the boots say it all!!
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Here is a post from the fraudette! She is always very fast to turn on anyone who confronts them and then she posts lies to the public.
Sharon Brickle
November 11 via mobile
Whew!! I feel better!!! To whomever: you can send your emails, make your phone calls, produce your fake documents, call into radical talk shows, write letters, send PMs to our friends on FB, you can even wear Newagefraud out, but you know what? You haven't changed me. I'm still the same person and I am OK with that. I've wasted enough time on you. That is all.
Here is a post just 6 days later? I don't know this woman, but I'm sure she must have exposed something or confronted them.
Sharon Brickle
9 hours ago via iOS
Oh really? Wanda McCall Cannon? You are a Ministers wife and you are sending messages like this to me? If any of you know this woman, beware!! She also names names and says she's knows people. I really don't care who she knows, because guess who I Know, Wanda Cannon McCall, Jesus!! God knows everything, he knows how many hairs are on my head. Go ahead with your wickedness, God knows about that too!
What is up with this profile picture on facebook? The lights are on (dimly), but nobody is home!!!!
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To all those that are curious about the so-called "posse", & names being added to said list ... ALL of those names that are listed are people that he lured into his circle of deception, & eventually found out the truth. It was then that he & his woman turned on them, & began a quite vicious campaign of out & out libel, & deceit, attempting to sully their names, & make them into the image of the ones on the dark side of nature!! Now it seems that anybody who challenges him in any way, shape, or form gets added to said "posse!! Not only has he been taken to Court, & lost (TWICE), but they continue their fraudulent assaults on those who have seen through their lies!! >:(
As to his military service ... to my knowledge, he NEVER SERVED EVEN ONE DAY in any branch of the military. He also stated to me on many occasions that he "envied" those who had served, & he felt it was his "duty" to honor them in any way that he was able. This is indeed a noble sentiment, but coming from that particular source, it is about as believable as openly stating that toxic waste is good for your health!!
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Still playing Indian moving up to N.C.
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Poor Veterans do not have a clue, even though they have been informed. Look at the MC, now that is a JOKE
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Date/Time May 9 - 10, 2014, All Day
Status: Active
Pow Wow Size:Less than 100 dancers
Location Veterans Park: 691 W. Lebanon Street, Mount Airy, NC
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Contact:
Phone: 336-749-0593
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Website:http://thevmf.org
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MC: Roy Spotted Eagle
Host Drums: Buffalo Creek Veterans Drum
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Additional Information: Arena Director: Lonnie Bending Oak. Head Male Dancer: Crow. Head Female Dancer: Brown Eagle. Special Guest: Duane Deemer. Host Hotel: To Be Announced. Rolling Thunder Chapter 6 of Winston Salem, NC performing POW-MIA Ceremony!. All Native Drums/ Dancers are welcome. Gates Open at 9:00 a.m until. Admission $8.00. Seniors 65 and older FREE. Children under 12 FREE. All Veterans and Gold Star Mothers FREE.
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why the hell do frauds love wearing buckskin so much?
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Hollywood, man, Hollywood.
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Whitmire mulls hosting pow-wow eventBy Elyssa Parnell eparnell@civitasmedia.com
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Roy Spotted Eagle Glass spoke to Whitmire council members Monday on the pros and cons of hosting a pow-wow later this year.
Roy Spotted Eagle Glass spoke to Whitmire council members Monday on the pros and cons of hosting a pow-wow later this year.
WHITMIRE — Whitmire Town Council members are tossing around the idea of hosting a pow-wow in late October in Whitmire.
Judy Burnett came to council last month to discuss the possibility of holding a weekend pow-wow in Whitmire. Mayor Billy Hollingsworth asked Burnett to bring the representative in charge of the event to a special meeting in which they could discuss the details with council.
Roy Spotted Eagle Glass presented the pros and cons of such an event to council during a called meeting Monday. The event would be funded through the town’s own resources.
Glass explained that his pow-wows are spiritual events, unless classified as a competition pow-wow that entailed drum teams, dancers and cash pay-offs.
“I don’t like to mix business with spiritual,” Glass said. “I recommend for a town like Whitmire that you do not host a competition pow-wow.”
Councilwoman Cassie Fowler suggested Glass provide reading material for them to look over before making decisions. The website http://calendar.powwows.com/events-2 was given for research.
Glass recommended an inner tribal pow-wow for Whitmire, which he described as spiritual. All cultures are welcome at inner tribal events, Glass said.
An inner tribal pow-wow would consist of a three-day event starting on Friday, known as “Kid’s Day,” and continuing through Sunday evening.
Glass said Fridays would be a day all about children from the community. The schools would be allowed to bring their classes as a field trip.
“It’s an educational day for kids at no cost,” Glass said. “It’s a given day for community as a learning experience for kids.”
On Kid’s Day, Glass said the schools would learn about the language, and the way Native Americans lived then versus now. There would also be dance demonstrations for children.
On Saturday, the gates would open between 9 a.m. and 10 a.m. for the pow-wow which would include a grand entry at 11 a.m., and continue through sundown. Sunday would be similar in schedule, with a slightly later gate opening time.
Glass said vendors are a part of events like this, called a “Pow Wow Trail,” which typically begins in April. Those involved in vending at these types of events are gone from their homes for months out of the year.
If Whitmire decided to host a pow-wow, their flier and event information would be posted to the pow-wow calendar website listed above, where vendors would contact the town to participate for a fee.
Decisions
Glass said he is paid to set up the event, provide an emcee, drum team (eight people) and an arena director. All other entertainment, vendors, etc. would be the responsibility of the town.
The money Glass is paid also goes toward paying the teams that participate in the pow-wow. Glass offered the town a price of $2,000 to set up the event.
Whitmire would be responsible for providing lodging for four of the eight members of the drum team. The other four members are his children and live with him 15 minutes from town.
Whitmire also would be responsible for providing food to the entertainers while they’re on the grounds. Glass told council members that most — if not all or more — of the $2,000 fee would be recouped through entrance fees and vendor fees.
Councilman Dwight Lane asked Glass with rescheduling with the possibility of bad weather during the event. Glass told Lane no money was owed until the pow-wow had been completed, so in the event of bad weather, the event could be rescheduled.
Council made no decision on Monday. Hollingsworth suggested they take time to process the information and discuss it at next month’s council meeting on April 14. Hollingsworth will then contact Glass to give him the town’s decision.
Hollingsworth said he felt more informed after the meeting than he originally was.
“Now we have some idea of what our responsibilities are and what we have to do to make it happen,” Hollingsworth said. “I think it’s a good thing for Whitmire.”
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These people need to be informed of the fraud that is trying to sell them a line!
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Take a look at this video. EDGAR (Roy Glass) is the one to the left of the man with the war bonnet, he is carrying a war lance. Tell me, is it even possible to have grown up on a reservation and be this horrible of a native dancer? (As he fraudulently claims) He's invented a new dance, called the triple step! And, why is he lined up beside the head man and head lady at grand entry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpeDhRcZzE
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Here he is with his latest of many, many, many romantic interests! Although his wife cannot come to grips with this, she always blames the woman and buys Eugene's lies, every time. Here are her comments: Sharon Brickle "Her everything", Sharon Brickle Another one that should turn her light out. She says him and his boys are her everything., Sharon Brickle She posted these pictures on her FB wall, so I just thought I'd share them too. I have some more things to "share" too. All in fun, tho' no big deal., Sharon Brickle Powwow Whore., Sharon Brickle It is what it is, i can't change it.
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WOW! TWO BLUE EYES!
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Take a look at this video. Eugene (Roy Glass) is the one to the left of the man with the war bonnet, he is carrying a war lance. Tell me, is it even possible to have grown up on a reservation and be this horrible of a native dancer? (As he fraudulently claims) He's invented a new dance, called the triple step! And, why is he lined up beside the head man and head lady at grand entry?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXpeDhRcZzE
This is the worst grand entry I have ever seen. It appears these people are not even Indian. Where was this so called powwow?
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This Pow Wow was formed and run by EDGAR (Roy Glass). If you read the previous information you will see that this man has ZERO native blood in his lineage, although he claims he is 3/4 Cherokee and born and raised in Oklahoma! We have also proven he was born right in SC where he has lived his whole life.
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no self respecting indian would go to a hobbyist powwow to begin with.....much less "dance" in one
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From his Linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roy-glass-roy-spotted-eagle/70/491/183
(http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roy-glass-roy-spotted-eagle/70/491/183)
To all my family and friends me and my family have been in a very ugly fight with a group of people that are pagans of the worst kind I am asking all to make a stand with me and my family I have never sold any kind of ceremony I don't do sweat lodges. I have never taken any money from any one to give to some one else. I have never beat my sons and my wife has not beat them. I have never pulled any one off to the side and ask them to give me money or donation of any kind. I have asked for people to give donations to charity events. I have said at 4 events that I would take $5 from the sail of my cd and send it to the Cherokee Orphanage in OK.this was a private home for all kids that was being run by state and it was not in any way connected to the Cherokee Nation.We sent them money from the sales of 4 events and have not taken up or gave them any money since the owner crossed over in 2010. I have never taken up any money for Cherokee boys home in Cherokee NC. I have never said or claimed to be a healer. I have all way said there is but one healer our father GOD I don't play my music for fame or glory. I have all ways said I play for the Creator and the son Jesus Chris.t My family and I are asking all to stand up to these people so please share this and if you don't know us come and see for your self may you all be blessed by the hands of our father Creator and the son Jesus Christ.
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Smoke, like that of a diesel locomotive and just as toxic!
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It appears that the beaten and vile wife has left this pathetic human being. She still does not believe all of the insidious, criminal and fraudulent things this man has done as well as the womanizing and adultery. PEOPLE BEWARE!!! HIS SUPPORT SYSTEM HAS FLOWN THE COUPE. NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH! VETERANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH! HE WILL FIND A NEW TARGET. THIS IS HOW HE SURVIVES. HE KNOWS NO OTHER WAY. HE'S NEVER HAD A JOB. HE IS A LIFE LONG SCAMMER AN KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES!
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How do YOU know what she believes?
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Elixir, you should introduce yourself and tell us what you know. Also who you are.
Your profile shows you using the email Sharon.glass@me.com. But you refer to Sharon Glass in the third person. If you are not Ms. Glass, it looks like you are trying to impersonate her.
If you are Roy Glass, please give your side of things. We always welcome new information.
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I believe it to be Sharon Glass. She is a pharmacist and she always plays name games like the pharmacological name of Elixir so as to toy with us!
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It seems somebody else has his number!!!
http://datingpsychos.com/psycho/18647/Roy-Glass
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http://datingpsychos.com/psycho/18647/Roy-Glass
Sounds like this may very well be Sharon Glass, due to the fact that she had called the sheriff's office a few weeks ago and made a report that Roy Glass was enroute to our home to :-\ harm my wife and myself as well as someone in Tenn. (seems he blames us for exposing him as a fraud) The sheriff's office saw it as a threat-- at which time 5 police cars came to our home-- it appears Sharon Brickle Glass was tracking Roy on her phone for them while in contact via her phone--she described him as a Native Indian to the S.C. trooper who stopped him 23 miles from our house--he stated he was going to visit at our address, then changed his story to going to camp at a millpond (our property) near here--he had no weapon, so trooper convinced him to go back to Union county--an incident report was made which we have a copy of--Now, here is the funny thing--I was told by someone Roy knows this past weekend that the entire thing was a scam conducted by Sharon to get Roy in trouble--at least that is what Roy seems to be telling everyone--quite confusing as to who the master con is -- Roy or Sharon ?
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I'm the one who put the profile up about Roy being a psycho - my feeble attempt at quietly warning others about him so that he might not be able to hurt someone like he has hurt my mother. I'm (i don't even want my name here), Sharon's oldest for those of you who don't know. I can confirm that the incident of him at least pretending to go after the people that he threatened happened exactly as she says. My mom did not fabricate it, and I was helping her track his phone. I have tons of screen shots with his GPS location with a time and date stamp. I also have a file of a bunch of other stuff when I started investigating him 10 years ago. I don't care what he has done to any of you, it will NEVER compare to what he has done to my family. Please let us close this chapter in our lives so that there will one day be a time when we don't have to think about his sorry butt. I'm sure there are some of you who won't believe me, c'est la vie.
Mom - I know that you feel like you have to deal with this page, to defend yourself, to justify your actions but you really don't. The mistakes you made were made out of love and devotion even if it were to Roy. Let these people do their thing, they can deal with him and we can let it go.
Just for the record - I have no interest in discussing the rights or wrongs of anyone here. Thanks, yall have a good night.
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I am indeed Sharon Glass. I really have nothing to add. If you add crap to an already existing pile, guess what you get? That's right, more crap! I have a life to live and I suggest you all do the same.
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I find this thread sometimes confusing and not always conclusive.
Some posts caught in my eyes, they are very emotional that this obscure a con, like Roy can be, than enlighten him. And it can also disguise that his fans could be first of all a victim and than become a perpetrator or maybe correctly mentioned - were urged to be.
It seems to me that there are at least two victims here in this threat ...
I tried to make my own picture of somebody, who can abuse victims in this way, but it's difficult;
I don´t know if Roy belongs in parts to those people I try to describe. Some points may agree other surely not. If Roy is a chronic liar there are surely other characteristic points not to forgett
Those offender observe other people very closely and look out if they can be used as a victim and perpetrator.
They know how to bind, manipulate and condition their victims. They go forward in considered small steps.
The offender gives the victim the feeling that they understand him/her, but also that the victim is one of the very few people who understand the offender. And the offender presents himself is an innocent victim, whom was played ranks on him.
The perpetrator slowly builds an emotional bond, by emotionally bind the victim to the offender. But the offender goes by itself no emotional bond and obligation.
If the offender asks for help, he gives the victim his gratitude that it has helped him, but at the same time he gives the victim the feel of a bad conscience (or will have at least) if it would not have helped, because it would have allowed his own fault, that the offender´s feeling / find will go bad or worth. Sometimes the offender manifests this feeling with obvious or subliminal threats ....
The offender is grateful for help, but he actually gives often the victim the feel that the victim can be grateful to have helped the offender.
If the offender keeps succeeding dealing with a bad conscience, guilt and gratitude to bind the victim more and more, the victim goes for him in the service, pays bills, provides services to do work, not all activities are legally .. and for all that the victim is put off his head, voluntarily ... truly voluntary, can one still speak in this case of voluntary?
For some victims it is very, very hard to make their own decisions from this emotional prison, to break through, because they are afraid of not being able to bear the responsibility of a "No". A "No" and the reactions that follow the victim must be able to stand by, also, that the victim is rejected and threatened by the offender The terrible acts of the offender stop than when the victim returns repentant, admit its guilt ... and - relieved - gets the feeling that the offender not just forgives, but also is the real savior ...
It may be that a victim give up step by step its own desires and needs, so that it can standby the demands of the offender. Sometimes the victim does not really know what actually is going wrong in its life and what is right, it has no more a connection to itself and the way to look behind the machinations is painful. Because that inevitably leads to a painful self-knowledge.
Often the offender blocks the contact of the vicitm with the external world, to the comparisons with other opinions and reviews is only possible, and the victim feels also often blocked by critics who hurt emotionally and put on guilt, than they try to understand the backgrounds.
Emotionally bound by the offender, emotionally struck by the critics, this often drives the victim back into the arms of the offender, he gives the victim the feeling that he was the only one who really granted the protection of victims. The victim often will ask for the offende´s forgiveness
Offender who bind, manipulate and condition their victims in this way, are shrewd.
They can often recognize the behavior patterns of victims which it learned up in its life, and the offender make his advantage. They know exactly when they need to bind the victim, when the time is that they make the victim into a perpetrator so that the victim can not break out of prison ... Many of these Offender have time, some love this game with life about they have total power.
If a victim wants to understand why it came to this rule, victimized and maybe become a perpetrator, they must learn to understand themselves why they react to triggers and with which patterns they react, to grasp the bond to what used to be, to what is today. There is no forgetting, but they can close a chapter of their live and take carefully time to learn about ... from a step back from the events it can be a bit easier. It is about understanding what happened, what is their guilt and its shame, to learn to live with it, about what they are not guilty (and this brick - feeling to be guilty of something they are really not guilty is hard to comprehend) ... and at least they need to be carefully for themselves, use positive values.
If victims learn to understand themselves, they can build warning bells which will ring when a person comes back, which does not have good intentions ... warning bells do not come from somewhere, they can only built up due to the experience and knowledge .. .
And this can happen to anyone here, ...
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Elixir, who claims to be Sharon Glass, and Roy Glass, are both posting from the same IP address. So either Sharon is posing as Roy, or Roy is posing as Sharon. Or the strangest possibility of all, they are both posting as themselves from that same address.
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Very interesting. When was the last time Roy has posted something? I haven't seen a post from him for over a year.
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Very interesting that it's still the same IP address, may just prove it is another scam - most likely has to do with getting out of paying us the money they owe - this may be only a small portion of what they received from us, but we will continue to seek payment of this portion - it was very convenient for their property to be in someone other than their names - I hear that Roy Glass has gotten together a new drum team ??? in Winston Salem area - another set of victims on the way - but at least the Veterans who we were worried about caught on to him quickly, and are no longer having anything to do with him - Yes, they were cheated also - My wife did receive an apology from Tricia Stevens who was one of the first to bash this forum for exposing the Glass's - seems she saw the light also - hopefully my wife was not the only one to receive an apology from her -
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How and Why does this man keep getting away with the things he does. Here is proof that he has given a complete Red Tail Hawk tail to someone, in public, on FaceBook at a major university. Someone who it has been proven has no Native blood or authentic credentials to be possessing raptor feathers. Then, he gives it to some else who does not have any proper credentials either! AND NOTHING IS DONE! WHY?
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Along with Roy being a con artist, are we also seeing mental illness in him, delusions? Or does it look like he is entirely intentionally a con?
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Good question Piff! I think he may be mental. As many times as he has been arrested, I don't know why he has never been admitted for observation.
What I don't get is DNR will go to Pow Wow's and arrest someone for a single feather. This man is gifting an entire tail. This means that this Hawk is dead! Several people have heard one of his sons claim that he shot it off of their fence.
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Along with Roy being a con artist, are we also seeing mental illness in him, delusions?
I think he got mental problems, but delusions... I don´t think so. Identity problems, he seems to me unconfident. Could be he feels being more valuable in his chosen life as a Cherokee... I don´t know what his real life means to him. Sad which way he chose
Or does it look like he is entirely intentionally a con?
I don´t believe, in my opinion there are too many signals which portant that he got not the poise for a staging con.
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Indeed I did apologize to Bearhearts wife. I felt it was an important step in healing for her and myself. I'm not sure who else is in need of an apology, But when I am wrong I admit I was wrong. I only stated what I knew as the truth at the time. Live and Learn. BTW I'm still waiting for an apology from some that questioned my parenting skills. I hold no ill will as it takes up to much time and energy. I wish peace on you all.
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Raven Wing, I for one was accused by you on this very forum of cyberstalking your daughter! I most certainly would like a public apology!
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ChikashaTruth, An IP was tracked to your area, The reason we did nothing was I felt it might not be legit. I would not want to falsely accuse anyone. So yes I apologize.
Like I have said before If I'm wrong I admit it and will not lie for anyone for any reason.
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I appreciate your apology. I don't know you and felt all along you were being scammed like so many others.
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Raven Wing, It seems that you have truly seen Roy for what he is and I do appreciate the apology you made to my wife for all the lies and untruths that were being told. I am sure that you were believing what you were told by both Sharon and Roy. It takes a big person to admit when they are wrong. But, I must also say that Sharon was very quick to accuse and lie on people when she thought it would benefit her and/or Roy. If she truly has seen the error of her ways, she has not shown it by showing any remorse whatsoever. It is hard to feel sorry for someone that was a major part of a scam for so long and then when the bottom falls out and the truth is finally revealed, they ignore it and act as if they have done nothing wrong by playing the innocent victim. It would be very considerate if everyone would make these apologies and tell these truths on Facebook where they were all so quick to lie upon and judge us, the innocent victims of these outright scams. I feel that all the "friends" that were so quick to read the bashing, weather they believed it or not, need to be made aware that it was indeed all lies, made up to protect Roy, so he could continue with his schemes and plots to victimize others which were and are just as innocent as us. I would also like to ask you, what caused you to see the truth , what brought you to the point that you realized we were right the whole time and you were being played also? Please inform us and post the reasons on this site. If you are sincere, join us in stopping these fraudulent activities by Roy Glass. Take an active stance in righting these wrongs. We all welcome your comments and are very interested in what you may know. Thank you very much, Bearheart
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You seem so anxious for an apology from me, but you seem reluctant to give one. You forget that your wife told me that she had been having an affair with my husband for over a year. When I asked for the proof she said she had, it was not given. There are many things here, said about me that are not true. None of you ever took the time to get to know me. Everyone was always interested in talking to my flamboyant husband. Raven Wing, is one of the only ones who took the time to talk to and get to know me. I confided in her, because she has always treated me with respect. I am indeed sorry for anyone that I have wronged. Everyone needs to acknowledge that no one is perfect, and that perception is reality. I also have to wonder why some of you Lilly white folks, with no Injun credentials are so obsessed with Roy. If your wife did give him money, it was because she was trying to be with him. Too bad it didn't happen. I would have been freed sooner.
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First and most important, is the fact that both Roy and Sharon borrowed and scammed money from not only us but many people. Our case was proven as previously stated in a court of law- you do not win a case without proof, as Sharon well knows-- secondly, my wife did tell you in a brief conversation that Roy had been (trying) to manipulate her for over a year, the call you made to my wife after talking with a well known minister was concerning another young woman who Roy had been disrespecting- as a matter of fact Sharon also attacked her- yes, it was my wife whom this minister called and asked if Roy was doing these things- there were actually 4 women we know he was preying upon- and yes my wife and myself called him out on it- as well as being a fraud and scam artist- all of which you, Sharon aka Elixer were a participating partner in- you told as many lies as Roy to keep the scam going- where was your mortal ethics? We were not the ones doing the seeking out- we were the ones being preyed on from the very beginning- do you remember the fake pictures you took and the lies presented to us that very first day- telling us his brother had died from a gunshot, well knowing he was in fact very much alive- and your first visit to come see us (we did not invite you here, you just called to say you were coming) stop and remember who sought out who- all a part of a well planned scam- Perhaps you should have not called my wife a damn liar and hung up the phone, if you had listened to Chief, my wife as well as myself and all the others who have tried to talk to you instead of bashing everyone, then as you say- it would not have taken so long for the truth to be known- How can anyone allow another person to do that to anyone else- Certainly not I, and not anyone who runs this forum- and yes I am lily white, never claimed to be anything other than a white man- but I do respect people- and I do respect the truth-Just in case you don't remember-here's what you started the scam with-the tepi pic :-\
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. Everyone needs to acknowledge that no one is perfect, and that perception is reality. I also have to wonder why some of you Lilly white folks, with no Injun credentials are so obsessed with Roy.
I myself can agree that no one is perfect. I do not agree that "perception is reality". People may perceive Roy as Cherokee, that does not mean that he is. People may perceive Roy as honest, that does not mean that he is.
Sharon, if I was in your shoes, I would need to stop making excuses for Roy. I would have to get completely away from him. I would need to stop thinking that other women who now speak out against Roy are somehow women scorned. I would have to let that all go and get away from Roy. I'd seek domestic violence counseling (verbal and emotional abuse is violence too). I would focus on myself and my children and my healthy future. I know you did not ask us for any advice, but for myself, I need to say this. I hope you get fully free.
I'm white, with no known NDN heritage. I'm in this work because I have some genealogy and research skills, and because I've fallen prey to frauds in the past. Also, I'm big on truth and justice. If I can lend a helping hand, all the better.
Now people who are curious about Roy can read through this thread and become more informed. They can look over records, read through people's experiences, and make their own choices. Consumer education is a good thing.
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Hey Piff, thank you for being kind. I have gotten away from him. We are now legally separated. As I was going through the process of preparing for the separation hearing, people started coming forward to tell me things. I spoke to one lady who told me that Roy told her that I was dead. He introduced her to his twin sons. He would drive to her house on the days that I worked 12 hours and spend the day. She said he was always at her house. He was living in my house, robbing me blind and going to see another woman in the truck I traded my Lexus SUV in for. She said she quit seeing him because he had too many secrets. He was always saying that he had to go back to the reservation. He refused to show her where he lived. That is because it was my house that I have lived in for 15 years. I lost my house to foreclosure because if his lies. I spoke to another woman who was with him for 4 years. He starved her, took her money, and beat her. When she left he stalked and threatened her. She and her child left him on December 13. That's the day that he picked for the death of the child that was supposedly relative that died on the trail of tears. He told me that our neighbor was on the sexual offender's registry, so I would not go talk to the neighbors. I learned that there is no 3rd degree black belt, no schooling for electrical work or auto mechanics, no Native American heritage, and no mustang that he caught in the wild and raised. He has a history of trying to get with younger women and ending up with their mothers. He is a sick, twisted individual. I have seen messages between him and many females. One he gave the advise to dress as to appear to be a very young girl to be sexually appealing to her husband. There were so many things that I did not understand, that hurt, but at the same time he would tell me every day how much I meant to him and how much he loved me. Unless I asked him the wrong question. Then there was a big explosion and craziness. Sometimes he would hold a gun to his head, sometimes he would leave. Over time that behavior teaches you to keep your mouth shut. Finally I saw where he scanned a friends tribal card into his computer and put his own name in. It only been in the last few months that I started seeing the truth. I see now that I was wrong to defend him. I did what I thought was right. Turns out I was very very wrong. There are other things too, that I have learned that are far worse than what is mentioned here. It is an ugly situation, but yet he continues to lie. He lied on his affidavit to court. He lies to his lawyer, and I am sure there are women right now that he is lying to in order to get money. For those of you who feel the need to judge me for standing with a man that I loved and that I thought loved me, I hope you never are in my shoes. He's good at what he does and he is smart. He's been doing this all his life. I believe he learned that and worse from his Mother.
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Andy Hammond, you do not know me, if your memory would serve you and you were honest you would know that Roy had 99% of his conversations with you, your wife and others away from me. For a time you and your wife were all up in his BS. I showed you the picture because Roy asked me to. The spots of light were not put there by me. I've taken other photographs that way too. It pretty much showed your character when you went around telling folks at the Strong Sun Pow Wow that you were going to show up in court against Roy. Someone that heard you called Roy and told him that. The picture of the Teepee is an original. I think you and your Wife should be honest with one another about what went on with her and Roy. Or not. It doesn't matter to me. You have no right to question my ethics. I am guilty for defending a man that I loved, who I thought loved me. Some of what I said is what I heard from Roy. If any of that was untrue, I am sorry. Roy is the one who you were best buds with, not me. I was at work, making money for him to squander.
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Elexir,
do you feel you did the right step it is good because you decide it on your own.
There is a reason why you felt in love with him, there was something that Roy was able to support your wishes, your needs.
There is no guarantee for anyone not to come in a situation as you was and you are now at the moment. Maybe you´ll got the power to look what it was, understand all better, maybe it help you to see the trap bevor you will be taken in by someone once again. As sad as it is, it can make you smarter and stronger in life. Lifeevents can be so bitter and painful...
You will find your way, walk carefully.
I think you are right to say Roy is ill. There is a reason why he struggles in, but this should not be a freeway to betray. It could be a chance to decide not to walk this destroying path he comes to know. But he needs to look closely what is. Roy got some aspects of being unsettled and this can be his chance to ask what happens to him and to walk a way which not destroying the rest of his scrupulosity, he can find a honest way to live - but just if he wants to fight for it, that´s not easy.
But if there is anotherone who allways serves Roys lies like in a game, the chance will be smaller for him.
Well, he on his own decides to go the way he wants, (noone else can do it for him), and he is responsibe (no one else).
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elixir,,,,,,an you tell us more about his hokey get-up tha he wears and where he scored the bustle an roach? and the BOOTS hahahaha and his eage eye?
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I believe he got the bustle from eBay. He told me it was his fathers. I think he used 350 or so dollars of mine to purchase it. I don't know about the roach. Both of his eyes are blue and he wears a brown contact in one, there is no telling what he's told people about his eye. I do believe he is mentally ill. He admits there is something wrong, but he says it is PTSD. Whatever the problem is, he makes choices, just like everyone else. And just like everyone else, he will pay for those choices. I would not want to be in his shoes. He was supposed to go to see a psychiatrist on Aug 5th, but I do not know if he did or not. Anyone else that has questions, feel free to ask. I will tell you what I know. I really tried to help him, but the only help he wanted was money. That is over with. I will finish my obligation, as dictated by the judge. That's it. Any female that involves herself with him is doomed to being used, cheated on and abused.
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Oh, the boots, the dark brown ones are kukurabura from Australia. He had some guy off eBay make him some tall moccasins. I guess he figured that the general public would not know the difference in what he wore. The flute playing is something that has me puzzled. He is really good and does not have any formal music training. Maybe it's all in the manipulation. Who knows.
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I do believe he is mentally ill. He admits there is something wrong, but he says it is PTSD. Whatever the problem is, he makes choices, just like everyone else. And just like everyone else, he will pay for those choices. I would not want to be in his shoes. He was supposed to go to see a psychiatrist on Aug 5th, but I do not know if he did or not. Anyone else that has questions, feel free to ask. I will tell you what I know. I really tried to help him, but the only help he wanted was money. That is over with. I will finish my obligation, as dictated by the judge. That's it. Any female that involves herself with him is doomed to being used, cheated on and abused.
Well, if Roy asks for professional help he needs time to clarify what is going on with him, step by step, time by time. The diagnosis will come by the way ... it tooks time, sometimes a long time, the psychiatrist decides when to tell him what is (happend), Roy must stand by this and must be able to live carefully with himself. Often there is for those patients an up and down, they avoid, accept, deny, .... .
Maybe Roy accept an contact by you to the therapist so you can get help how to deal with the situation.
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And it seems as if the next victim has been lured in to the trap,
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What's the new scam and who is the new victim?
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I'm not real sure who she is. Anybody on here who may know, please tell us. The scam is he says he has a job, says that he is working 6 days a week in NC with only Sunday off. That's what he's telling people he owes money to. There are some "touches" inside the trailer and I KNOW he didn't clean. Someone has a new washing machine, microwave, etc.
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It seems the subject of Roy's fraud has been placed by the wayside here, I for one am still interested in the fact that he was collecting money under false pretenses, and using the Native culture to do so. First it has already been proven he is not Native, not Cherokee, he is using a fake tribal card, there was no grammy, and that money was collected for a Cherokee charity that did not exist (the Cherokee Boys home in Cherokee) many people sold cd's for him believing the proceeds were helping Native children. How does he get away with this sort of behavior? We did seek payment of some of the monies we were scammed out of by our court case but have yet to receive any payment (Roy and Sharon Glass have both ignored the court judgement) and yet he continues to play Indian and cheat people, it amazes me. I am glad that Sharon has gotten away from future damage by him, but his infidelities are not the issues of this forum (even though he is using the Native culture to achieve that also, in a very wrong sort of way) what concerns me more is the fraudulent scams he pulls. I for one would like to know from Elixir what she knows about the package that was left at the millpond? since it has been proven who? the fake page belonged to, that sent the message for us to go to the millpond and retrieve it. The reason I would be interested in knowing what Elixir has to say is SO that the wrong person is not to blame, as it is beginning to look like we were misinformed from the very beginning on certain issues. If she is a victim and not a part of the scams and wrong-doings then the truth needs to be known and the proper authorities contacted.As much as he has done, he stills goes free, and no charges have ever been brought against him, except for ours, again I am amazed! I would like to thank this forum for helping to make situations such as this one come to light.
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What I would really like to know is WHERE all the money he supposedly collected went? He was always using my hard earned money for gas for someone to get somewhere, and he frequently gave what he earned to someone else who said they were in need. Who knows where the truth is? He said that he was the victim of a scam with the Grammy thing. I heard his side of conversations with a lawyer over that. He says he has emails to prove these things, but then again, he has made fake email accounts. There was one where he said that you, Dana, Gerard, Jack et al were plotting to kill him. He got a bunch of hoopla with the veterans started over that. I am so embarrassed that I believed him for soooooooo looooong. I've talked to a woman that he was with when he was younger. Nothing has changed with his behavior with women. She she'd some light on the 3rd degree black belt and the issue with horses and the heritage issue. None of it was in agreement to what he says. It is hard for me to conceive of such treachery and that I was with him for so long. The woman he is with or should I say women is an issue here because that is the way he is able to of what he does. He says that he has a job in NC right now working 6 days a week, only off on Sunday, but he has been seen in Bufflao and Spartanburg not his week. It is a never ending circle of lies with him. He is still stealing from me, you are right, Andy, he will continue until he is locked up. He is a master con. Super con. What suggestions do you or anybody else have to make him stop?
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Elixir, you say he is still stealing from you, do you have an attorney? Are you talking with the police? I encourage you to keep talking with the authorities. Domestic violence support services might be helpful too. You can get free of Roy and make sure he can no longer steal from you.
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Piff, Where Roy lives, in Union County, SC, the just don't give a damn! He has threatened the lives of myself as well as others and they shrug their shoulders ans say, "we just look at him as a joke". It's no coincident that he lives there, he will never move any where else if he can get away with all that he does and there are literally never any consequences. I think all of us whom he scammed, should hire an attorney and all petition the states attorney generals office!
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Piff, Where Roy lives, in Union County, SC, the just don't give a damn! He has threatened the lives of myself as well as others and they shrug their shoulders ans say, "we just look at him as a joke". It's no coincident that he lives there, he will never move any where else if he can get away with all that he does and there are literally never any consequences. I think all of us whom he scammed, should hire an attorney and all petition the states attorney generals office!
Hiring an attorney sounds like a great plan. Find a good attorney and lay everything out.
Law enforcement isn't helping even when people claim Roy has threatened their lives? Are they at least writing up reports each time?
If he is possibly defrauding IRS, a tip on that can be turned in.
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He is a super con. He has been doing this all of his life. He Knows how to stay inside the lines.
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RE: the tribal card that he has that belonged to Charlie Anderson
he scanned it into his computer and took Charlie's name off of it and put his own name there using a different font. I have a copy of it.
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I have a question for this forum--Is it not against tribal law or federal law to have a fake card, one that is forging a members number? Why is it that the Cherokee Nation does not step in? -- We did contact them and we do have a letter stating Roy Glass is not a member nor carded -- but the fact that he is using forgery against another tribal members card -- does that not go against the laws enforced within the reservation? Or does this matter need to be taken to the states attorney generals office? Or does it fall under the BIA -- we contacted them also. Any suggestions on who needs to be contacted? Have you turned your copy over to anyone in law enforcement Elixir? Fraud is against the law, is it not? Still do not understand how he gets by with all this.
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Yes, there is something terribly wrong here!!! This, plus there are pictures of him presenting to a white woman an entire Redtailed hawk tail! Where are the authorities! Sheriff? DNR? Federal authorities? BIA? Tribal laws?
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I have a question for this forum--Is it not against tribal law or federal law to have a fake card, one that is forging a members number? Why is it that the Cherokee Nation does not step in? -- We did contact them and we do have a letter stating Roy Glass is not a member nor carded -- but the fact that he is using forgery against another tribal members card -- does that not go against the laws enforced within the reservation? Or does this matter need to be taken to the states attorney generals office? Or does it fall under the BIA -- we contacted them also. Any suggestions on who needs to be contacted? Have you turned your copy over to anyone in law enforcement Elixir? Fraud is against the law, is it not? Still do not understand how he gets by with all this.
The problem with the issues is tribal law can not be enforced outside the reservation or Tribal lands, the state don't acknowledge tribal issues, the BIA should be protecting our right but
little is done so we end being at the mercy of these frauds
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South Carolina is administered by the Eastern Region Office of the BIA. http://bia.gov/WhoWeAre/RegionalOffices/Eastern/index.htm (http://bia.gov/WhoWeAre/RegionalOffices/Eastern/index.htm) But I don't see anything that would really apply to Roy here in their programs and services description: http://bia.gov/WhoWeAre/RegionalOffices/Eastern/What/index.htm (http://bia.gov/WhoWeAre/RegionalOffices/Eastern/What/index.htm) Or even in the larger picture of the BIA http://bia.gov/WhatWeDo/index.htm (http://bia.gov/WhatWeDo/index.htm)
Red-tailed hawks are protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act which:
makes it illegal for anyone to take, possess, import, export, transport, sell, purchase, barter, or offer for sale, purchase, or barter, any migratory bird, or the parts, nests, or eggs of such a bird except under the terms of a valid permit issued pursuant to Federal regulations.
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/mbta/mbtintro.html (http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/RegulationsPolicies/mbta/mbtintro.html)
So someone could report Roy each time he is seen with illegal bird feathers and parts https://www.fws.gov/offices/Directory/ListOffices.cfm?statecode=45 (https://www.fws.gov/offices/Directory/ListOffices.cfm?statecode=45)
But, you know, there are so many frauds like Roy around. Having info on him here on NAFPS is powerful. This means everyone from museums, schools, to individual women who are in danger for falling prey to him - all of them can find the facts here.
I think best bet is for individuals to hire an attorney together and find out what their options are. And women who have gotten free of him need to continue to compare notes and spread the word.
It is very frustrating to see frauds keep being frauds. Fortunately NAFPS exists and people can be informed.
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Good time to revisit this earlier post too:
educatedindian
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Re: Roy Glass, AKA Roy Spotted Eagle
« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2013, 07:59:40 PM »
Raising or taking funds intended for a charity is clearly illegal. If there haven't been any charges filed against him or lawsuits, I have to wonder why not. I strongly urge all involved, go to the police and DA now.
I also strongly urge those involved to go to the local media right now, and use the information Epiphany has gathered. The local paper or local TV news should be all over something like this, and publicity would shut down anything further by Glass.
I see online Glass has given speeches on Cherokee heritage at libraries, and that's one more thing that can be shut down by contacting them. Same with Glass at powwows, contact the powwow organizers.
A one page hand out could be worked up about Roy, handed out at any events, also emailed ahead of time in response to any announced events he will attend.
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Thank you for responding to my question, it has been reported to everyone we can think of but somehow he manages to creep through the cracks, so to speak. Yes, I do believe most local organizations are well aware of him now, and the issues of his fraud are being made public in many areas.
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I do have an attorney. I spoke with him Friday. He doesn't feel that a group hiring an attorney would do any good. Roy doesn't have anything. He is pretty much judgement proof. As far as I know he has not participated in anything except maybe some civil war things. My attorney feels that blacklisting is the way to go. I explained that a good job has been done on that end. People just stopped inviting him to do anything. i am ashamed that I did not figure all of this out sooner than I did. He is good at the manipulation, he told me stories about a lot of people that made me question their morals and motives. His morals and motives should have been what was in question. I apologize again for the things I said that were wrong and hurt people. I loved the man and stood by him. I am sorry. Those of you that I spoke out against, please forgive me.
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I for one am not giving up! I will be on his trail as long as it takes. Sharon, I accept you apology. I still feel you don't even know the depth of the victim you actually are. I hope we can sit and talk one day soon.
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Here is the latest victim! Maybe one day she will stand against him also!
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Her name is Pailine Zawadzki she is married to Allen Zawadzki. They lived together in KY. She is either a CNA or a LPN. I believe Roy moved her in to my mothers house so she could keep him up. She had a job but was fired because of CDV charges in KY. I called her on her phone [number deleted, do NOT post private numbers] but she did not answer, then called me back while I was asleep. I sent her a text message asking what I could do for her and I got a series of threatening text messages that I now know were from Roy Glass. Since then he has left a hand written note in the driveway of my new home. I'm told all I can do is take him back to court on content charges for violating the court order. The Judge said no contact.
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Please report this. You have a no contact order, he violated it, this needs to be turned over to authorities, they then can give him consequences.
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Please report this. You have a no contact order, he violated it, this needs to be turned over to authorities, they then can give him consequences.
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I did report it. I also reported him following me, passing me and stopping in a parking lot and watching me pass by. At first, I thought that he was doing this to intimidate me, but after he left me that note, I think he was wanting me to stop and talk to him. The police officer suggested I take him back to court. He said that Union County could not do anything because it was out of their jurisdiction. He also suggested that I report it to the county I live in to produce a paper trail that I could use in court. I'm tired of feeling like I get nowhere. Do I ignore him and let him keep taking from me, or do I fight? My peace of mind is the issue here. I need to heal and live my life. The years spent with him were a waste, and damage was done to me and others. I feel guilty for my unwitting participation with him before I began to figure it all out. I really wish I had the answers, or at least some of them.
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Fight, Fight, Fight!!!! There is something really wrong in Union County, really wrong. He will never stray from there as he is all but protected in that county.
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Elixir, I really encourage you to get domestic violence counseling. Everything you are expressing, everything you are going through, you can get good help with this from people in the domestic violence field. You don't have to go through this alone.
There may be a victim's advocate office that can help also.
With counseling, you might find that participating here isn't helping you any, or maybe it is helpful, I think you need to talk this over with a counselor. My guess is that you may need to keep setting boundaries, keep reporting what Roy does wrong to the authorities, keep the paper trail going, and take him to court when need be - all while getting good counsel and advocacy for yourself.
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Elixir, here's a few links I recommend you to read:
http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath
http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html
http://www.decision-making-confidence.com/sociopath-symptoms.html
I also second Piff's advice to seek domestic violence counseling. This will provide you with some assistance, not only against Glass, but also in dealing with the police who seem to be content to do nothing, or almost nothing, instead of getting off their behinds. If Glass has a record of domestic violence, they should do some more than shrug it off and grab another donut, and getting counseling will also be helpful as you will learn how to put rockets up their bums. Also report Glass whenever he stalks you, no matter whether at home, at your job, following your car or whatever. Every time he does, he's violating court orders, so this needs to be documented with the police. If possible, don't leave home on your own - being able to present a witness for such incidents sounds like a good idea.
And don't assume he 'only' wants to talk to you about something - he's trying to control you (again). Leaving him, you commited a grave sin in his mind: you're trying to break away from his control, and he needs to re-establish that. He won't be content if you stopped and talked to him once - he wants permanent control. In fact, if you do stop and talk to him, this will be only the first time, the introduction to many more times. Plus that this may work against the court orders you obtained as it may be seen as if you were seeking the contact, not him. He's got court orders not to contact you or come near you - Period. If he follows your car, drive to the police station. If there's someone in the car, let them phone police, tell them he's stalking you right now and that you are headed for the station and make them watch out for his car following you. If he's leaving notes in your drive again, don't go out and pick them up - phone a friend, ask them to come to your house with a camera resp cellphone.
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Thank you for the advice. I've read a lot and it amazes me that he meets every single one of the mentioned characteristics of a narsissist. I did speak to a therapist. At the time she did not feel like I needed to come back. She said it was my choice. I think she mainly wanted to give me the power to leave. he got no response from me with following me. I have stopped at police stations before. They helped me "escape" out a back way. i have family who are very supportive and I am friends with some mental health professionals who are giving me advice. One day I prayed to see the truth. I saw it. It was like God wanted me to leave, he gave me the strength to do it. My lawyer is looking out for me too. Nothing is foolproof, but this life I am living now, is far better than the one with him. The part about the anger he feels is very true. You should see my personal belongings that were beaten to pieces and smell the urine on my clothes. Jeckle and Hyde. He's hurt a lot of other women and they have sought me out to tell their story. They know I understand like no one else can. God Bless ya'll for caring.
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Elixir, In this post that you have on facebook, you state that Roy admitted to you that this email, email account and the lies were all made up by him. When did he admit this?
"This is another piece of the puzzle. This is an email that he made up to get attention, especially from the Vetrans. He had all sorts of people offering to come and "protect" us. He got scared when I said we could find out the IP address and prosecute. He admitted to me that he made up the fake email and everything. I began to see what he was capable of."
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Elixir, In this post that you have on facebook, you state that Roy admitted to you that this email, email account and the lies were all made up by him. When did he admit this?
"This is another piece of the puzzle. This is an email that he made up to get attention, especially from the Vetrans. He had all sorts of people offering to come and "protect" us. He got scared when I said we could find out the IP address and prosecute. He admitted to me that he made up the fake email and everything. I began to see what he was capable of."
Am I the only one who sees a problem with this email? Sharon, you know very well he does not write like this, his spelling is terrible, and I couldn't help but notice the only thing mis-spelled is the word Veterans, does not sound like his mannerism of writing at all --hate to say this but seems to me there may be more trickery here than meets the eye.
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I do not remember how long it was after he showed the email to me that he admitted that it was a fake. He had generated a lot of attention with it. He was getting phone calls with offers of protection from a Vetran's advocate. I did ask him why the words were spelled correctly and punctution was used. He said he used spell check and made the effort. That was not the only email he faked. He sent one email from an account he opened in my name. He sent it to a woman in Holland that he was in love with. He told her that we were not married. He said we were really brother and sisterand were posing as husband and wife to protect him from all the women who wanted him. He sent the woman a white and blue blanket with a CD. She said she didn't know the meaning until she asked him. He wanted to go visit her. I Know ya'll can't beleive that I could be this stupid for so long. I can't beleive it either.
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Here is a picture of the fake BIA card that Roy Glass stole form an enrolled member of the Cherokee Nation, scanned it into his computer and altered it. He tried to claim he was 3/4 Cherokee. He is also very illiterate. Look on the card at his representation of 3/4,.......................3/250? What?.................3/250!!!!! That equals 1.2% blood quantum!
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Roy's father's genealogy is well researched and documented. Looking over census and military records, I don't see anything other than white going back several generations.
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PIFF, does he have any relatives named Frank?
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PIFF, does he have any relatives named Frank?
I don't have all my notes with me anymore, but could recreate possibly, did Roy specify which ancestor this supposedly is?
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Here is a Frank, his grandfather:
JONESVILLE - Donald Edgar Glass, 66, of 541 Bobby Faucett Road died Oct. 24, 2000, at Spartanburg Regional Medical Center.
A native of Union, he was the husband of Georgine Etterer Glass and son of the late Frank and Lenora Howell Glass.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=15722061& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=glass&GSiman=1&GScid=71213&GRid=15722061&)
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Thanks Piff!
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Here is the relevant 1940 census (some surnames were misspelled in transcription) with both Roy's father Donald and grandfather Frank:
Name: Frank S Glane
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Union Township, Union, South Carolina, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: North Carolina
Birth Year (Estimated): 1902
Last Place of Residence: Same House
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Frank S Glane Head M 38 North Carolina
Lenora H Glane Wife F 37 South Carolina
Francis H Glane Son M 16 South Carolina
Gene D Glass Son M 12 South Carolina
Donald E Glass Son M 5 South Carolina
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K46K-L3B (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K46K-L3B)
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A relevant post from earlier in thread:
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3988.msg33348#msg33348 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3988.msg33348#msg33348)
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http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/Themes/default/images/bbc/table.gif
First off, To the Admins, Thank you for lifting the ban and allowing me back. Having my child pulled into this and called a liar makes me a little unhappy. If anyone cares to discuss the proof we have I would be happy to in a private message as this is not the place. Second, I have known Roy and Sharon for about 2 years and they have shown nothing but kindness, concern and generosity toward me and mine. As for his cards, I have seen them, heck I've held them in my hands and they look real enough to me, not that it matters, I know others that claim to be one thing but aren't what they claim (many hiding behind fake names and profiles). As for Them owing money, I know gifts and labor were exchanged, isn't that what you do with friends without expecting something in return?? Isn't that what Creator expects of us? None of us are perfect, I certainly don't claim to be. Third, The money for a boys home, I can't honestly say as I know nothing about it. Now I have a question: If this has been going on for years then where was all this moral outrage a couple of years ago when many of you were fawning over him and following him everywhere? Why this sudden need to destroy his life?? Shouldn't you just let Creator take care of it as we are taught? Now I believe I have acted with respect and expect the same. Thank You
WHAT? WHERE? WHEN? how did i miss this?
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What exactly are you wanting to know?
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when the hell was anyone from this page all over roy's nuts? we call out fakes like roy not fall all over ourselves swooning in his presence.......i saw people bashing roy not "fawning" on him
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that person was talking about when they were in his circle and all were fooled by him, before he was exposed for the fraud he is
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ok......i thought he was addressing us
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no, and since her statement, she has realized the truth and has all but disappeared and become very quiet
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Not quite so ChikashaTruth, I have apologized for my blindness. I am still on FB. I just choose to put the "Roy" chapter to a close. Treat it as a nightmare. LOL I have reached out to some and none have reached back, but life is good. I wish you all well. :)
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I'm sorry Trisha, I didn't know that you were still on FB. I also didn't know you have reached out. I do know that you were a victim as well. I too stood beside him and Sharon and fought against people who knew the truth for a while. I am glad you posted and hope you will heal from all of this. There are many good people who were hurt. it is only the good people who will give, so the good people get hurt.
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Thank you for your kind words ChikashaTruth. I hate that so many good people were hurt so badly and that I didn't listen when you all tried to tell me. I hope we all can heal and hopefully become friends again.
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The Spotted Beagle is still at it, now under the name of Jimmy Wind. He has since deactivated his Facebook account under Jimmy Wind, but be informed!