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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Cat on May 26, 2012, 04:37:54 pm

Title: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Indian Tribe of Seminoles
Post by: Cat on May 26, 2012, 04:37:54 pm
http://www.yamasseenation.org
There was a woman posting on a thread on FB about how she now has a CARD and everyone can kiss her ass. Stating things like the Muskogee are from Virginia and Florida. The more she wrote the stranger it got.

This site is a bad deal. They are not Federally Recognized. They say they are Federally "acknowledged" because they have had correspondence with the Gov. HUH?

http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/67/32/

In order to (pay) get a card with them all you need is a signed affidavit stating that you have an ancestor somewhere in your family.

http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/25/42/


I tried to talk to the woman and tell her she was being fleeced but she did not want to hear one bit about it and said I was a BQ nazi.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on May 26, 2012, 08:54:59 pm
There's another bunch calling themselves Yamassee in quite a bit of trouble with the IRS. It's a splinter of the dangerous Nuwaubian cult.
 http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=590.0

All three seem to be outfits preying Blacks with stories of NDN ancestry. Just like the Nuwaubians, all the faux Muslim or Egyptian names are a dead give away.

This bunch has been around a grand total of 15 months.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61025209/Yamassee-Muskogee-Nation-Constitution-Ratified

What's interesting is that the wikipedia page on them, obviously written by a member or supporter, lists many different leaders, and it's only three months old. Curious how they have multiple grand chiefs, directors, prime ministers, ambassadors, and shamans.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamassee/Yamassee_native_americans
T'chobiy Miki (Principle/Grand Chief) Sekhu Hidden Eagle Thunderbird Gentle> Deputy Chief (Miki) Joseph Black Wing Falcon Curtis> Department of the Interior Prime Minister "Rawsheed" Stone Coyote Patton> Chief Clan Mother Grand Matron Brenda Red Crow Thunderbird Webb> Shaman Ray Spotted owl Ellis> Chief Minister Saliym Waller> Chief Marshal Aaron Black Bear Holmes> Associate Grand Matron Lucinda Watson> Tribal Council Chairman Fahiym Howling Wolf Spirit Conner-El> Tribal Director Saja Peaceful Dove York>
 More Names Available on their Official Website
 
Tribal Council
Fayhim "Howling Spirit Wolf" Conner - Tribal Chairman (PHL,PA)
Brenda Red Crow Thunderbird Webb - Clan Mother/Grand Matriarch /Chief (Tampa, FL)
Marquitta Running Hawk Gentle - Clan Matron (Tampa, Fl)
Saliym Waller - Tribal Minister (PHL ,PA)
Aaron Black Bear Holmes - Chief Marshal (ATL, GA)
Al " Golden Owl" Bey, Esq - (Chief Justice) (CA)
Rawsheed Stone Coyote Patton - Prime Minister of the Department of the Interior (Los Angeles, Ca)
Lucinda Wright - Assc Grand Matriarch-(GA)
Joseph Black Wing Falcon Curtis - Deputy/Vice Chief ( Miki) (Norwalk, Ca )
Chief Akil Ali / Ambassador/ Tribal Elder ( Ypsilanti, Mi)
Rex Brown Hawk Vidrio - Associate Chief Diplomatic Liason (Iroquois Ambassador)
Clerk of Court EVG Muhammad Bey
Sekhu Hidden Eagle Thunderbird Gentle - Principle / Grand Chief (Miki)(Maco)(Mico)

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Here's another page of theirs where they claim to be officially recognized by the SC state govt...because they got the key to the city given them by Charleston SC.
http://www.yamasseenationals.org/m/articles/view/Grand-Matriarch-Very-Disappointed

Chief's FB here.
http://www.facebook.com/yamassee?v=info

One of their leaders, Rasheed Patton, is listed here prior to his getting a twinkie name, when he opened a healthfood store. What's of interest is he listed as his spiritual teacher Jihad Curtis.
http://www.superrawlife.com/documents/SuperRawLife_March2011.pdf

This may be ominous. One of their leaders is a professional casino consultant.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/brenda-webb/37/60/a34

A lot of their genealogies are listed here.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=33&rank=1&sbo=t&gsbco=Sweden&gsln=Kizer

One gives his family history here.
http://nativehistoryfacts.wordpress.com/
....Chief  Sekhu Hidden Eagle is one of those descendants, of Yamasee that family has still worn the name “Gentle” after the wars! After an interview with Chief Sekhu (Hidden Eagle Thunderbird) Gentle, he lays out a brief history of his family tree!
Sekhu is the Son of Col. Geronimo Gentle, Who is the Son of  Willie Gentle Sr.
Chief Sekhu mother is Brenda  Wright Mitchell  (Of the Wrights in Northern Florida & southern Georgia.
Geronimo’s mother is Katherine Simmons of the Seminole .
Their family lineage of 4 generations , from the Gentle’s, to the Sneads, & more makes Chief
Sekhu recall how deep his family lineage is...
Stories his grandmother told them,  stories past down to her on the Seminole ( Her Side) & Yamassee (Gentle Side)...
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 26, 2012, 10:47:28 pm
That's  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamassee/Yamassee_native_americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Yamassee/Yamassee_native_americans) not even a real Wikipedia article. It looks like someone went against policy and used their user page to post a bunch of stuff that would never stay in the mainspace. I assume this in an attempt to get around the fact that there are probably no reliable or verifiable sources (by WP standards) to indicate notability of this club.

(If the person who set that up on their user page is reading this, don't blame me for your article and heritage club not meeting the criteria. I didn't set the policies.)

ETA: This looks to be the real article on the history of the tribes in that region: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamasee 

The user who posted that stuff in their userspace can technically keep it if they are improving it to bring it up to WP standards, but given the situation with the club they're promoting, I don't think that's possible. If they're just using it to park a fake article, it won't stay up.

Also, if you look at the discussion about some of the edits that were attempted on the real article, here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yamasee you will see that some of the attempted changes (that didn't stand) sound reminiscent of some of what we've seen in the videos from Elwin Green Gillum, aka "Queen Chief Warhorse" http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3672.0
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Cat on May 27, 2012, 12:27:12 am
I am trying to figure out how many members are in their club... nowhere that I can find on their site states how many... at $54 a pop..its adds up. This is a travesty. Thanks for the other info. Al.

Here are some things she was told by the "tribal chairperson" and her thinking as a result. I edited her
name out as I dont see it as pertinent to the thread.


*****Name edited

*****
Woopie!! I finally got my tribal id today.. now the tribal card nazis can offically pucker up and pick a cheek to kiss. I am a Yamassee Muskogee Nation member. Bird Clan

Thursday, May 24 at 5:32pm via mobile · · 1Reply
***** Now I don't have to worry bout my sons status in the future. Or any of my decendents.

Thursday, May 24 at 5:33pm via mobile · · 1Reply
*****That's why I worked so hard on it. So my baby can sink his roots down and know where he belongs. The tribal chairperson called me personally. We share the same family surname. Her husbands last name is the same as my ggrandmother

Thursday, May 24 at 5:36pm · Reply
***** Apparently our roots are very deep.. all this time I didn't know

Thursday, May 24 at 5:36pm via mobile · · 1Reply
***** Yes. They originally were in virginia,west virginia area

Thursday, May 24 at 5:37pm via mobile · · 1Reply
***** But relocated to florida later on. We are a confederacy. We have creeks, choctaw, seminoles all together

Thursday, May 24 at 5:38pm · Reply
*****The Yamassee war in 1715 was very bloody. Many small nations joined together to fight. Thus the confederacy was formed. Check out there website. Yamasseenation.org

Cat Carnes 10:11am May 26
***** are you aware that this is not a federally recognized tribe... and where did you get the idea that the Muskogee people came from Virginia? I sure hope you did not pay for this card!

***** 10:49am May 26
I got the idea from the tribal chair person herself. Check out the Yamassee Nation on the internet. They are federally reconized. Thanks for the warm positive words..

***** 10:52am May 26
I am pretty sure that the chairperson knows the history of the Nation. Also the Yamassee war in 1715. Several treatys were signed and also we have a goverment to goverment relationship. Please cat don't start with the tribal card nazism. I'm not trying to hear it. Stop trying to ruin my happiness

Cat Carnes 10:54am May 26
I am not trying to ruin anything just stating some facts...did you pay for that card? Actually believe it or not I care enough to post...

***** 10:59am May 26
Well maybe u should argue that point with the tribal council not me. And maybe u should google the Yamassee nation and read our history. Just because its not planted in oklahoma doesn't mean anything. I was waiting to see which one of my friends were gonna start this BS about my card.. I knew it was coming. OMG can u just let me be??

***** 11:01am May 26
Also Cat since its not your nation then its not your problem.

Cat Carnes 11:03am May 26
*****... its not a Nation... its fakin bacon!! I am trying to discuss with you not fight with you you are the one getting upset.... You are being duped darlin...

Cat Carnes 11:03am May 26
and no legitimate nation CHARGES for a card....

***** 11:03am May 26
We have been around before colombus.we are very old so don't start the whole this is a club crap. The tribe has been well documented and has a long history. Oh wait.. maybe cause were mixed natives then were not excepted by some tribal card nazis.

***** 11:07am May 26
Whatever... I am happy and no ones going to start ruining my joy.. I call them joy killers..

***** 11:06am May 26
Wow... happy Saturday lol.. ppl just seem to enjoy spoiling my day. I don't care bout the BIA. The goverment can't tell who's who and what's what.. don't tell me u believe what they say..


Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on May 27, 2012, 01:42:08 pm
I'm trying to remember which of the links I saw it at...I think one of them claimed they had 300 or so members. X54 that's over 16,200 bucks they've scammed.

That wiki bit, the fact that so many leaders have changed in such a short time, that points to possible turmoil or jockeying for positions.

Cat, you might try showing her a list of fed recognized tribes so she could see for herself the Yamassee are not on it. Their "recognition" is just getting a member getting govt letters in a child custody case. And if recognition doesn't matter to them why are they trumpeting a phony claim of it?

Any actual Yamassee ancestry people likely wound up among the Seminole two centuries ago.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Cat on May 27, 2012, 02:14:20 pm
Al, I did point her to the BIA website to see for herself, it seems she did not want to hear anything I had to say, sadly.
I had hoped to reach her but she refused to believe me, at that point all I could do was come here to post about the group and what they are doing.

There are so many groups like this out there that is is unsettling and a lot of naive people being taken advantage of.

Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 27, 2012, 03:24:21 pm
I'm trying to remember which of the links I saw it at...I think one of them claimed they had 300 or so members. X54 that's over 16,200 bucks they've scammed.

The person who tried to rewrite the real Wikpedia article (about the real Yamasee) to make it about their heritage club inserted the population figure of 333. As the real article is about the people who were absorbed into other tribes and ceased to exist as a unique culture or language group, this attempt to hijack the article was reverted by people who know the actual history.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 30, 2012, 05:21:52 pm
In reading through the materials put out by this group and the Nuwaubians, I have to concur that this "Yamassee Nation" group, and Elwin Gillum's group (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3672.0), are probably connected to the Nuwaubians in some way, whether as colleagues, fronts or splinter groups. Some of the materials for all three (or four) groups read like they were written by the same person. It's not just the similar content, lingo and agenda; some of the stylistic quirks (hand) are the same. This could be explained by schisms and plagiarism, or it could point to the same hand or hands behind them all.

Some of the researchers talking about these groups on Wikipedia have noticed these overlaps as well. When one of them asked a member of this new "Yamassee Nation" if they were connected to the Nuwaubians, the YN member vehemently denied it and said, by asking the question, the person was trying to slander them.

Searching the forum will bring up many threads on the Nuwaubians. Here are two:

United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors: Georgia Sect Dwindles With Leader Jailed  http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=19.0   
Former Nuwaubian Writes Expose  http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=432.0
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 06, 2012, 11:57:11 am
http://www.yamasseenation.org
There was a woman posting on a thread on FB about how she now has a CARD and everyone can kiss her ass. Stating things like the Muskogee are from Virginia and Florida. The more she wrote the stranger it got.

This site is a bad deal. They are not Federally Recognized. They say they are Federally "acknowledged" because they have had correspondence with the Gov. HUH?

http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/67/32/

In order to (pay) get a card with them all you need is a signed affidavit stating that you have an ancestor somewhere in your family.

http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/25/42/


I tried to talk to the woman and tell her she was being fleeced but she did not want to hear one bit about it and said I was a BQ nazi.


My Question, which is confusing is as I read your statements, you said there was women posting! So YOU Did not Know her and If not, why would you take such an Interest in her posting? But at looking at the Post you put up shows that you do know her or she YOU, as the conversation shows, personal comments as a dialogue of previous conversation!
Makes me say hmmmm....

Secondly her paying for her tribal card, was a problem because? YOU  Yourself are you apart of a Tribe? And IF SO, is that is not what your Tribe do? Or are you a part of the B.I.A. and a Authority on this matter?
I am just boggled by your CONCERN and Interest!
I am curious to OBVIOUS discontent, for her happiness to be apart of her Tribe!

I have contacted several Tribes that are LEGITIMATE , And they say the Yamassee People according to historical records are their ancient family and were black. There are also 100's of Books, that prove that statement to be true in Google books, that COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT BY THESE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM. As you yourself after research also is BLACK from your Facebook picture!

I also went to their site and saw their attempt to put out a Official statement, saying they are not tied to anyone, like the Nuwaubians or that Sanders Guy whom has by the way put up another site, trying to steal their name, to promote his own agenda http://www.yamasseenation.com and another TAX scheme with his track record.

Also there seems to be an oversite , because these people make claim to be of Miccosuki, as their chief is related to Sam Jones of the Seminole war, and has census documents online as Proof, which has not been denied by the Seminole, and actually confirmed on the www.semtribe.com / faq page, if you can piece the puzzle together.

What i have seen on these type blogs is in accurate obvious and blatant discontent for anything associated with Yamassee, every since Dwight York a.k.a Malachi said he was Yamassee,and even he added MOORS to his title, which would allow you to know where his point of view is from. And given the fact of congressional records, which can not be falsified, Proves as FACT and Stated as FACTS these people were african and or negro however you would like to describe them.

As to their Right to charge for petition $54 which is nothing compared to what these other FAKE UCC groups are charging Like AT-SIK-HATA, and Black Hawk etc... which charges people up to $250 to $500, i think is fair being they get NO assistance from the government.

Also 300 x $54 is $16,200 (OOOOOH So MUCH MONEY ) A family of Four better yet a Family of One person can hardly survive off that, in today's economy, so that statement is So bias, and Truly Shows anyone reading you have a hard on for this Group of people, and Obviously BIAS. Did they Decline your Petition to Join? because your claim to Ripping people Off is hardly Valid, given my statements above.

AND THE more I investigated these people, they are the Only Ones, holding Public POW WOWS, Dressed in Regalia, With a real Language not Arabic, and have taken the Time to at least put in place Child Welfare laws etc....
NOW Someone like you would tear down the attempt of "Black" people finally trying to do what is right, (SMH).

And build up a Momentum, against them with BAD Information and a One sided view!

Oh yeah by the way the Key they received was not From Charleston, it was from Allendale. Either someone can not read, or Tried to tell a lie, very slickly, as I went to their post, and it was Clearly Allendale.

I am very Concerned for this world, with people whom attack others like this, where is the Fraud,as I see NONE. By the Way Catherine CAT Carnes, read the Declaration of Indigenous Rights, and how they have the ability to create a Economy, and self govern, without people like you trying to take that ability away against all NDN. (F.Y.I. they did something no one else of these BLACK ORGS have find it here :http://www.bia.gov/cs/groups/xofa/documents/text/idc013623.pdf   :-\
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on June 06, 2012, 03:09:52 pm

My Question, which is confusing is as I read your statements, you said there was women posting! So YOU Did not Know her and If not, why would you take such an Interest in her posting? But at looking at the Post you put up shows that you do know her or she YOU, as the conversation shows, personal comments as a dialogue of previous conversation!
Makes me say hmmmm....

1) Secondly her paying for her tribal card, was a problem because? YOU  Yourself are you apart of a Tribe? And IF SO, is that is not what your Tribe do? Or are you a part of the B.I.A. and a Authority on this matter?
I am just boggled by your CONCERN and Interest!
I am curious to OBVIOUS discontent, for her happiness to be apart of her Tribe!

2) I have contacted several Tribes that are LEGITIMATE , And they say the Yamassee People according to historical records are their ancient family and were black. There are also 100's of Books, that prove that statement to be true in Google books, that COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT BY THESE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM. As you yourself after research also is BLACK from your Facebook picture!

3) I also went to their site and saw their attempt to put out a Official statement, saying they are not tied to anyone, like the Nuwaubians or that Sanders Guy whom has by the way put up another site, trying to steal their name, to promote his own agenda http://www.yamasseenation.com and another TAX scheme with his track record.

4) Also there seems to be an oversite , because these people make claim to be of Miccosuki, as their chief is related to Sam Jones of the Seminole war, and has census documents online as Proof, which has not been denied by the Seminole, and actually confirmed on the www.semtribe.com / faq page, if you can piece the puzzle together.

5) What i have seen on these type blogs is in accurate obvious and blatant discontent for anything associated with Yamassee, every since Dwight York a.k.a Malachi said he was Yamassee,and even he added MOORS to his title, which would allow you to know where his point of view is from. And given the fact of congressional records, which can not be falsified, Proves as FACT and Stated as FACTS these people were african and or negro however you would like to describe them.

6) As to their Right to charge for petition $54 which is nothing compared to what these other FAKE UCC groups are charging Like AT-SIK-HATA, and Black Hawk etc... which charges people up to $250 to $500, i think is fair being they get NO assistance from the government.

Also 300 x $54 is $16,200 (OOOOOH So MUCH MONEY ) A family of Four better yet a Family of One person can hardly survive off that, in today's economy, so that statement is So bias, and Truly Shows anyone reading you have a hard on for this Group of people, and Obviously BIAS. Did they Decline your Petition to Join? because your claim to Ripping people Off is hardly Valid, given my statements above.

7) AND THE more I investigated these people, they are the Only Ones, holding Public POW WOWS, Dressed in Regalia, With a real Language not Arabic, and have taken the Time to at least put in place Child Welfare laws etc....
NOW Someone like you would tear down the attempt of "Black" people finally trying to do what is right, (SMH).

And build up a Momentum, against them with BAD Information and a One sided view!

Oh yeah by the way the Key they received was not From Charleston, it was from Allendale. Either someone can not read, or Tried to tell a lie, very slickly, as I went to their post, and it was Clearly Allendale.

8 ) I am very Concerned for this world, with people whom attack others like this, where is the Fraud,as I see NONE. By the Way Catherine CAT Carnes, read the Declaration of Indigenous Rights, and how they have the ability to create a Economy, and self govern, without people like you trying to take that ability away against all NDN. (F.Y.I. they did something no one else of these BLACK ORGS have find it here :http://www.bia.gov/cs/groups/xofa/documents/text/idc013623.pdf   :-\

TBH refers to herself as a Yamassee ambassador.

TBH, I'm not Cat, but I'd like to respond.

I'm honestly glad you came here, and hope you can help us clear some things up.

I added numbers in to your post so it will be clearer what I'm referring to.

1) Paying for a "tribal" card is a problem because only frauds do that. That cheats people who are or believe they are Native, but don't know enough about the culture to realize that no actual Native tribe does that.

If you had bothered to read Who We Are, you would see we are Native people and our supporters who are concerned about fraudulent groups or individuals passing themselves off as Native healers, leaders, or tribes.

Several members are in tribal leadership, but most of us are just ordinary concerned people trying to do what is right and keep peoppe from being harmed, no different than helping people in need any other way.


2) Which tribes did you contact? Which books back up what you or the "Yamassee" say? I honestly would like to know.

3) Sanders is someone I definitely think we shoud investigate, and expose him if he is harming people. What can you tell us about him?

4) I did not see the docs you're referring to on the Seminole page that suppor what you say. Just the opposite, that page doesn't mention Yamassee, and says most Black Seminoles left for OK, and says people with distance ancestry can't be part of the tribe.

5) This is not a blog. It is a forum, made up of people who know their cultures. It also includes activists and academic researchers like myself.
There are some Native tribes with people of mixed Black/Native ancestry, including the Seminole. Any Yamassee likely became part of the Seminole 200 years ago.

6) At Sik Hata and Black Hawk both sound like people we should also investigate. Please tell us what you know.

7) Why do so many members of your group have Arabic, Muslim, or Egyptian names then?

8 ) That doc is a list of groups that petitioned the BIA to be recognized, or filed an intent to.
It says the Yamassee are based in FL, not LA. Which is it?
How is it that a group claiming to be a tribe does not have a land base? How is it that they have officials scattered across the country?

Again, glad you are here, and hope you can answer these questions. I especially hope you can help us investigate those other groups that look to be harmful.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: earthw7 on June 06, 2012, 05:16:39 pm
I agree with "no we do not Pay for a "tribal" card". I am enrolled member of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe.
No one pays for emrollment unless it is some kind of club?
 
I would like to know which tribes did you contact?
We do not have any history that you are talking about i can trace our history for 2000 years.
I am a tribal historian and keep the recorsd for my nation.

I also would like more information on this Sanders?
So very strange


Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Cat on June 06, 2012, 05:53:24 pm
1. My Question, which is confusing is as I read your statements, you said there was women posting! So YOU Did not Know her and If not, why would you take such an Interest in her posting? But at looking at the Post you put up shows that you do know her or she YOU, as the conversation shows, personal comments as a dialogue of previous conversation!
Makes me say hmmmm....

2. Secondly her paying for her tribal card, was a problem because? YOU  Yourself are you apart of a Tribe? And IF SO, is that is not what your Tribe do? Or are you a part of the B.I.A. and a Authority on this matter?
I am just boggled by your CONCERN and Interest!
I am curious to OBVIOUS discontent, for her happiness to be apart of her Tribe!

3. I have contacted several Tribes that are LEGITIMATE , And they say the Yamassee People according to historical records are their ancient family and were black. There are also 100's of Books, that prove that statement to be true in Google books, that COULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT OUT BY THESE PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM. As you yourself after research also is BLACK from your Facebook picture! [/quote]

I only know her from a group, I did not put her name on here because it is not relevant to the post. The interest you mention is because she was getting involved with a fake group and I was trying to help her to see that. There is NO legitimate Nation that charges for a card. Period. That from the get go says SCAM. Also I am not black, not one bit, so your research is seriously flawed along with your reasoning in your post. Hint, I do not live in South Carolina.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on June 07, 2012, 12:38:25 am
Sander's group is the Mt Ararat "Embassy" a splinter from the Nuwaubians.

We have a thread on them here.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=590.0

It needs updating, even though that bunch looks kind of inactive since 2006.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 07, 2012, 05:35:03 am
I agree with "no we do not Pay for a "tribal" card". I am enrolled member of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe.
No one pays for emrollment unless it is some kind of club?
 
I would like to know which tribes did you contact?
We do not have any history that you are talking about i can trace our history for 2000 years.
I am a tribal historian and keep the recorsd for my nation.

I also would like more information on this Sanders?
So very strange




Firstly let me Thank Educated for the response and openness to real dialogue in matters like this, as my Only issue is fairness in the matter, as a Seminole myself!
Let me clear up, that I have no clue to why there are Arabic or Muslim names in their tribe, but can give or "ASSUME" like most do in forums, that these people have religious freedom, and  is the basic foundation for all!
I do know someone will probably dispute that and see it the way they want!

Most natives here in the states still carry Christian names like John, Sue, Timothy and the likes, but we do not criticize them, for using the Eurpoean Conquers names, and yes I feel we are conquered if we use their name in stead of Traditional names, in our Traditional Tongue as our ancestors before us once did.

We all have to admit times have changed, but is it reason, to immediately feel something is WRONG or Fake about a Tribe "NO", as I then say QUESTION all of the Tribal Councils with Americanized or British given Names, instead of Traditional Tongue names

 I think educated Tribes People on this forum should get that point!

But and example also is there is plenty of their council with normal names, and I have even seen on FB, they have Pale, and Redmen apart who have Full blooded ancestors such as**** Ramos and **** Sena that claims Hopi, so this as I have paid attention and researched all day to make sure I was on point, makes me feel like this is not connected to any Hate group, muslim group or the likes, now make sure before I move on WE ALL take on the above statements made first! He without European SIN cast the first stone...
They promote, being Multi Ethnic, and it is shown, where as the Nuwaubians and Sanders, And the AT-Sik-Hata all claim (MOORS) only!

THE Statement from the "The Standing Rock Sioux member" Why would you have history that says anything except what and whom you encountered in your Tribes documents if Your tribe never dealt with this Group of Natives?
That's a confusing statement and no disrespect is meant by it!

TRIBAL ID PAYMENTS:

Tribal ID payments are only done by FRAUD GROUPS here is the quote and no#1 outlined, and thank you for outlining these for me
"1) Paying for a "tribal" card is a problem because only frauds do that. That cheats people who are or believe they are Native, but don't know enough about the culture to realize that no actual Native tribe does that."

***My only reply is to that somebody need to tell the Blackfeet Tribe That they a FRAUD GROUP***
http://www.blackfeetenrollment.org/tribal_identification.php
"Tribal ID Fees

Enrolled Member: $10.00 (receipt required)
Enrolled Member (65) years and older: No Charge"

And I hope no one says that is only one example, as the statement implies NO LEGITIMATE TRIBE CHARGES, and I think the amount does not matter, there is obviously a charge which is why, I asked early, is that what "CAT" tribes do?

Oh and someone needs to tell the Oneida nation also!

http://www.oneidanation.org/enrollment/svcidcards.aspx

"Identification Cards

Picture ID Card

A picture Tribal Identification Card can be issued to any, currently enrolled Tribal Member (no age requirements). The Tribal Member must be present to be issued this card and must provide another form of picture ID. ex. Driver's License

Cost: $3.50 for persons under 55 years
Cost: $1.50 for persons age 55 and over

For children who are under the age of 18, a parent must be present with a picture ID.  For children who are not able to sign their name, parent must print the child's name and sign initials. "

****Oh Yeah and The Choctaw****
http://www.choctaw.org/government/services/hrBackground.html

***The SIOUX**** Your Band or Tribe might want to contact the other Sioux and tell them, they are FRAUDULENT because they are Charging:

"TO OBTAIN A TRIBAL ID
lakotawinyan55@hotmail.com
Tribal ID’s are taken here within our office daily 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday

Documents needed will be, your Social Security Card, so a copy can be made for your file, marriage license or divorce decree to update current name

Tribal ID’s cost $5.00"

****LUMBEE***
http://www.lumbeetribe.com/Office%20of%20Tribal%20Clerk/tribal%20clerk%20index.html

Now I Ask why are these people targeted, for charging for their Tribal ID cards?
And you should add this entire group on that list of Frauds and Fakes, matter of fact lets contact them and tell them they are frauds because they do what "Some" Other tribes do not!

Next Subject Seminole Tribe Link and Quote:
Taken from : http://www.semtribe.com/FAQ/

Q: What were the Seminoles before they came to Florida?
A: The core of the Seminole people did not "come" to Florida. This is, and was, their home. In the 1770s, English speakers encountered them for the first time and decided to call them Seminoles, but the Indians continue to know and remember that they were Yuchi or Yamasee or Tequesta or Abalachi.......or any of the hundreds of tribes that had lived and hunted all over the Florida peninsula for thousands of years before the coming of the English or the Spaniards. Further details on this process of historical 'transformation' are available in the answers to the other questions in this section, and in other pages on this Website. Take your time and read them carefully. Seminole history is rich and exciting and comple

***Now let us look carefully at a Yuchi since they were the closest relative to the Yamassee and actually have images not taken out of history books!

Chief "Kipahalgwa"  link : http://yallerdog.com/amohkali/images_vonReck.htm

And more recent descendants in 1909:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yuchibigturtledance.png

I do not see any fair skin or even close to Pale faces here either!

Now lets View my Ancestors, in whom I spoke with and asked this question whom are the Yamassee, at the Reservation today!
http://www.texasescapes.com/LindaKirkpatrick/Teresita-Woman-of-the-Apache.htm
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Common/Mississippian/Mississippian.htm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3643855652/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3643049103/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3392038134/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3399871518/in/photostream
I asked also why do our picture depict in the museum " Black people" and not those of our color?

Answer: Grandfather said "Those were the children of the yamachee, and my grandfather told me a story when i was a boy, he said never forget, how our brother saved us, just one child, who was what they call black today! The little boy spoke our language but still foreign in certain words of our tongue, to us, but he say, words we did under stand, to the best of his mind. He said go, city boom, and my grandfather said they go, and after they leave the city, they saw it blow up. The white man had dynamite they had ran through the town we were walking, and blew it up. that little boy saved us!"

 My grandfather also is married to my grandmother whom is Seminole, but she is creek seminole and speak  with my grandfather, but he speak the old language, and he spoke it to me, and he said she do not understand this language because, she is creek, and the spainards changed her people tongue, he talked about conflict etc,,, and said things for me not to repeat, but he said something important, that they are our people "Yamassee"
 So that supports the congressional records as, my family is and example of breeding out!

Coming to  a Close:  Black hawk is now trying again affiliate himself with the Yamassee Nation by buying a website that simulate theirs, and steal the glory: http://www.yamasseenation.com he did have a site recently called www.yamasseegov.ws but it shut down quickly, I think the Yamassee Nation people had something to do with that, and NO he has been active since 2006 as the recent website shows, AND I KNOW THIS GUY IS A FRAUD... Even the Nuwaubians stay clear of this guy! Link:
http://www.unnm.org/index.php?option=com_ninjaboard&view=topic&id=2&Itemid=4

People houses being taken : http://www.winslowtownship.com/filestorage/1705/2010_Notice_of_Tax_Sale_and_Advertisement.pdf

http://www.indiabizclub.com/qxzpmd/?q=;zqmazqsu5o5o09qrt

http://muurishgansul.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=64

Even these guys:
Continental Moorish EMPIRE
http://imperialgov.cmye.org/

And as far as At-Sik-hata (lol) just google the Name and this comes up, these guys were under Derrick H. Sanders and Split:
http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=At-Sik+hata+nation&oq=At-Sik+hata+nation&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...11740.17865.0.18377.18.18.0.0.0.0.729.1841.16j6-
1.18.0...0.0.3Kmy5FFv2o8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f99264d9a841354e&biw=1280&bih=923&ion=1

So as you ALL see, the Yamassee nation are not doing anything close to what these guys are doing, and seem to stay away from any kind of association, and or Tatics these other crazy folks even try! They have come off as Honorable, and self sustaining without the assistance from the government, as I can show you from our tribal experience and others what working with them do as far as Gov-TO-GOV.

Again, I do not promote just I have REALLY Done a Unbias outlook on the options, and they even have attended our Festivals...These other guys, do not care about anything but money! ***SORRY FOR LONG DRAWN OUT OUTLINE, AND YES I KNOW I DID NOT TOUCH ON EVERY ISSUE, BUT HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING SO IN ANOTHER POST, IT JUST GOT LONG WITH THE BASIC TOPICS*** ;D
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on June 07, 2012, 05:58:03 am
ID cards are optional are they not? It says any enrolled member can purchase one. Reading this, I believe there is some confusion over paying to be enrolled and paying to have an ID card, which is optional and not having an ID card doesn't mean a person is not enrolled. But if you are enrolled, you can buy an ID card if you want. Whereas the lady in this thread purchased "membership" into a "tribe", purchased "enrollment".

That's the way I'm reading it.

Didn't mean to interrupt, as this is far beyond any thing I know about, but just thought I'd say how I'm reading this.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Cat on June 07, 2012, 03:42:51 pm
I should have said I do not know of any legitimate nation that charges for a card... since you listed a few as an example I will explain what I see to be the difference. With the Choctaw Nation of Mississippi you actually need to prove your direct lineage to someone on the Dawes Roll by blood. Also they are a Federally Recognized Nation.

The yamassee state that that all you need is a Sworn Affidavit that you have a descendant(s) of the Core Families : Mechica,Cherokee, Blackfoot, Seminole, Choctaw, Apalachee, Chickasaw,Washitaw, Creek etc. Anyone can do that, as a matter of fact I could go write one out right now send in my check and get a yamassee card. http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/25/44/


They also state that since they are in communication with the federal government that that makes them Federally "acknowledged." http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/67/32/ They are not federally recognized, and I find it to be very misleading. 

I also see on the site they are talking about the Newsfraud Random Bloggers Attempt Attack on Yamassee Nation  http://www.yamasseenation.org/content/view/107/9/ This has absolutely nothing to do with racism, its about a misleading website.



Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 07, 2012, 03:50:01 pm
Well from reading their enrollment Cat, they are not selling membership, it says Petition! And also on their website I read, a question that says, "Do every one get accepted?"
The answer was no!

They also have a list of core family names, you must have on your lineage chart, and the Affidavit says that if you can NOT prove lineage, then sign a sworn affidavit attesting to such.
I have seen all of these type documents with other "LEGAL" native nations as well!

I even called and found that if you are not accepted because of lack of Proof to claim, you can Appeal the Citizen Review Board and or Contact the Tribal Council, to possibly be Adopted.

Also I asked was ID's Optional and they said yes, that not every Tribal citizen chooses to carry a Tribal Enrollment Card!
And in many tribes it is Optional as well...
Call for yourself, to get the answers you are looking for, won't hurt...

I was just shocked, that I actually spoke with someone , and they have a cool PBX system, nothing like my Tribes!

And I am impressed by their straight forwardness about these Obvious FAKE groups, promoting boarder crossing etc...
But signing these Items does not mean they will be accepted. I think this is definite a form of misunderstanding, with no lack or disrespect intended, for how this person might have given you the information!

I REALLY THINK, THIS PERSON GAVE YOU THE WRONG IMPRESSION!
But that's not at no fault of your own!
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 07, 2012, 03:52:36 pm
Okay, lets do some research their is several ways, a Tribe can be Recognized and acknowledged as i saw both of these words on the B.I.A. Website, see it for yourself!

But in your first statement of legitimate nations or not, the FACT still remains they charge, and earlier it was said agreed by several people on here No one charged!
And please do not take Offense to me, as I only want to see if this is based on being Bias to "Blacks" and there is no possibility of a Black Tribe, or a personal vendetta by, random people!

I could see where this could look racist by them, because of the attack on them, and their attempt to be looked at honorably and not compared to people like Derrick Sanders, and the likes!

They have a common RIGHT like all people to be identified in a certain way!

Also, a government to government relationship as I was told does not mean, they are sitting in the white house with the president, but if a COURT recognizes their Court, then by LAW that does stipulate a Truth, as the Court has to investigate the Validity of the Tribal Organization, and If a FEDERAL Court does the same, it definite validates their claim.

They also made note they are not looking for Federal recognition, which would put them as Wards of the Federal government, and would have to have B.I.A. departments.

Again it sounds as if you have made up your mind regardless to FACTS, and have condemned hem!

Sorry you have a Thing for these people and their TRIBE!  :'(
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on June 07, 2012, 04:40:33 pm
Glad to see you again, TBA, and thanks for helping us on Sanders and the other obvious fraud group At Sik Hata. We need to start a research thread on them as well.

It does seem, like critter pointed out, that you misunderstood and we didn't make it very clear either.

No legit tribe requires you to pay to be a member. You found a grand total of three that ask for a token amount for an ID card, much like the DMV does. Incidentally, the Blckfeet enrollment site is related to the tribal govt, but not part of it.

Let me ask, are you a member of the Yamassee? I know you've referred to yourself as an ambassador (which no actual tribes have, except as general honorary goodwill ambasasadors). But you keep referring to the Yamassee as "they".

Am I correct that many or even all of the Yamassee have personally been burned in the past by Sanders's group, or At Sik Hata? Or the Washitaw? Or the Nuwaubians? If so, we want to know more so we can expose them and prevent others from being hurt.

It certainly has nothing to do with bias against Blacks. There are some Indians who are bigoted, but none in here. We throw people out for any kind of prejudice. We have Black members and every other ehtnicity in here you can think of, which if you'd read our Who We Are page, you would know.

And most Indians who object, even outside of NAFPS, it has nothing to do with bias vs Blacks. The Seminole and Lumbee and Pequot and other Indian tribes have plenty of people with Black ancestry and prejudice vs them by other Indians is pretty unusual.

The problem is racist Black supremacist nonsense from those like the Nuwaubians and Washitaw, who are both deeply racist against Indians, spread phony history, and cause many problems, including abusing people, cheating them of money, and taking advantage of Blacks who have or may believe they have Indian ancestry.

It could be that some or even most of the Yamassee have some Indian ancestry. It may just be hard to prove on paper. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. About half of all Natives in America are in that situation, including some members of NAFPS.

Some of them may be descendants. Whether they are Indian or not is a trickier question. Most Indians would say if you haven't been raised in and know the culture, you have descent but are not Indian.

In that case it is possible to learn the culture and be truly Native again. Happens all the time with people who were adopted but didn't know they were Indians until they were adults, and with people of distant ancestry as well.

But the worst thing to do is to try and form "your own" tribe.

First, it will never be recognized. The fed govt requires you be a tribe prior to 1900, and to be in continuous existence all that time. Applying for fed recognition, as the Yamassee have done, is a waste of everyone's time. And it could be the leadership is doing that either out of ignorance, or to cheat people out of money.

At most, this "tribe" would be a heritage club, and no Natives would think of it as anything else.

Second and more important, if few people know the traditions, they will get some of them very wrong, and pass that ignorance on. It would be much better to go to the people you are related to, and learn from them. A good example of that is those who fall for the claims that the Yamassee (the tribe prior to 1800s, not the heritage club today) were Olmecs, or Mound Builders, when these are all unrelated distinct peoples.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 07, 2012, 07:57:10 pm
If by TBA you are referring to me. I never said I Was an Ambassador for them!
I see this conversation is pointless.

I know what grand father teaches me,,,, which is everyone has a right to their way of life as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others.

he also said the world is now the white mans, so  we think like whitemen!

Also every tribe does things the way they want, based on their traditions and adjustments to this New age!
So if we all did things the same, we would be clones.

Again, I only wanted to bring balance to this, but I see this is not the forum for that.

Thank you Educated for your hospitality, but I think this is a witch Hunt, based on Past records of FAKE Yamassee people, and these people suffer. It reminds me of when 911 happened and everyone that was muslims seem to pay for the wrong doings of others, or at least it came out that way in the media
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 07, 2012, 08:04:19 pm
Oh and i am sorry, I so Agree to what you said about the Hate groups, such as Washitaw and their phony history, NOW THAT I COMPLETLEY AGREE ON!

 "Am I correct that many or even all of the Yamassee have personally been burned in the past by Sanders's group, or At Sik Hata? Or the Washitaw? Or the Nuwaubians? If so, we want to know more so we can expose them and prevent others from being hurt.


But from what I can tell yes They descendants of these Yamassee and many other were BURNED bad, I can not Trully prove this, but it comes off that way when reading post on the Yamassee Muskogee site, and various blogs.

The Guy At-sik-Hata, I think has mental issues, as he truly think he is doing something by placing UCC liens on the "QUEEN" ?

Now these guys like sanders are worth exposing as they Truly show a Agenda!

 And again sanders does obvious stuff like try and duplicate peoples sites www.yamasseenation.com but says Embassy Clan? WHAT IS AN EMBASSY CLAN, and that langauage looks Arabic in phonetics?

again thank you for your hospitality!
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 07, 2012, 08:10:26 pm
WOW, I just Read the Post on Sean bey, sorry you already on it!
(smh)
Never mind my last post!

WOW AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!
WOW, this guy is released from Psychiatric care?

Going to the casino now to win some money to leave for A Third world Country!
My joke for the day but I am sort of serious!
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: earthw7 on June 07, 2012, 08:49:36 pm
My reply

Lakotiya TamakewasteWin iyuha cante wasteya nape ciyuzapelo!

My name is Tamaka waste Win I shake you hand from my heart

we do not pay to be enrolled, we pay to get a copy of our photo ID,
it is an option to have a photo ID but we can pick up our tribal enrollment
papers free. That is the difference in case you did not understand.
My people have story of different people we encountered as we traveled from
South America. I spent time with the Seminole and know from their history they
are Creek descendants. They keep the same culture as the Creek along with
the ceremonies.
When you live in Native Country you know that is the culture we have the right to
ask people who are u? What is your relatives names what band and clan do u come from?
Everyone in the old days would have witness to say I am come from this family and this
is who can tell you that.
Today we have people that dont understand native culture and get offend when we ask question of people.
We still live our culture and yes we still speak our langauge and live our culture.
I am not condeming anyone just asking question because the post was so strange to me.
Everyone we know is Native and that lives on our reservation.
We keep our family histories so i know who everyone is.
I dont have family who is not on our rolls as a tribal nation.
I have nothing aganist Black people this about people who make up history and make up cultures.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
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Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: tribalbyheart on June 08, 2012, 12:52:38 am
My reply

Lakotiya TamakewasteWin iyuha cante wasteya nape ciyuzapelo!

My name is Tamaka waste Win I shake you hand from my heart

we do not pay to be enrolled, we pay to get a copy of our photo ID,
it is an option to have a photo ID but we can pick up our tribal enrollment
papers free. That is the difference in case you did not understand.
My people have story of different people we encountered as we traveled from
South America. I spent time with the Seminole and know from their history they
are Creek descendants. They keep the same culture as the Creek along with
the ceremonies.
When you live in Native Country you know that is the culture we have the right to
ask people who are u? What is your relatives names what band and clan do u come from?
Everyone in the old days would have witness to say I am come from this family and this
is who can tell you that.
Today we have people that dont understand native culture and get offend when we ask question of people.
We still live our culture and yes we still speak our langauge and live our culture.
I am not condeming anyone just asking question because the post was so strange to me.
Everyone we know is Native and that lives on our reservation.
We keep our family histories so i know who everyone is.
I dont have family who is not on our rolls as a tribal nation.
I have nothing aganist Black people this about people who make up history and make up cultures.


I again would like to say, that what I see, is exactly what you have said!
And reading their history, makes it clear.
They have shown relationship with our Great Chief Sam Jones " Aripuka" as our library say he was exactly in that area where they claim to be. They also was a matriarchal society and had to get permission from the elder women, to come out!

I want to again make note that not every tribe does things the same way!
And I KNOW THAT THEIR CHIEF HAS BEEN ON OUR LAND AND FESTIVALS AND EVEN SPEAK OUR ANCIENT LANGUAGE!

But what I do know and what have been passed down to me, is the Creeks do not speak our language and are not the seminole, even our history as Mikkisuki is false as our ancestors know of the word "Miki" was Council and suki Pig, so they call us , meaning the pale man Council Pig. Only that Knowledge is past down or known by the elders, but again You the Public do not!
Even the Appalachee Chief Gilmer has his story saying until recently, he was considered black, and met with Negativity and was told he was not Indian. They still have not truly shown what their Tribal tradition was, as they are not recognized, by the B.I.A. either.

There is a Benefit to be considered RECOGNIZED by the Pale face, and not just to say we ARE REAL INDIANS, As  we fought them, more recent than most tribes and went unconquered.
Even the history you speak of is incorrect as the Creek did not exist, until it was made, in the 1800's. My people know of this, but do not argue. Read the Creation of the Creek nation.

I find that a lot of us get caught up as we should in our Native story and only hear about others, speak of things as we know first hand, and make our LIFE Everyone's life!

But what the Sioux go through is not what We as Seminole go through, or what the muscogee go through, etc...

HOW SHOULD a TRIBE CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN ITSELF WHILE WAITING ON FEDERAL RECOGNITION & Money!
Do your offices run on FREE Electricity, Free water from the state, was the buildings Paid for by Tribal citizens or the Government?

Sometime Like grandfather I feel we get so, caught up in the life Other Provide for us, we forget how we got there!

Should enrollment be free to a person we know nothing about until they file documents with the GOV, are the people in the office working for nothing, they have NO Bills to pay and the expense  out of pocket expense to the Council. Because it is a honor to have people back in the Tribe, who will give us more mouths to feed!

OR DO WE ALL AGREE THAT THERE ARE countless tribes out there, who have kept their Tribal Ways, their Tribal Lands, yet recently choose to NOW want to be Recognized by the US gov because their people are Economicly POOR!

I am flabbier gassed at those who just do not get it.

I will say this , it was this type of thinking that caused the Red Stick and White Stick war, basically the old vs. the new!
And this is shown in every country now that America, tells that they should get rid of their old ways, and be more civilized like us!
And then the civil wars errupt!

When our Ancestors encountered a person or tribe, they never questioned if they were NATIVE AMERICAN "INDIAN" they embraced them unless their Tradition were Violated or their People disrespected, in their customs, while they broke bread with them!

This was how the White man came to this LAND, OUR LAND, he was different, he had his ways, he said he had a chief, that spoke and protected them, and we related to that!

Now we know the truth, and yet we spit at the feet of those trying to re-establish their Tribal roots, whom had to hide and do WHATEVER FOR SURVIVAL, like NONE of us had turmoil by the System that was being put in place. We dishonor Our Ancestors with this Talk and Thinking.

That is All I have to say about this!

Thank you all again for listening to me!
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on June 08, 2012, 01:15:18 am

...But what the Sioux go through is not what We as Seminole go through, or what the muscogee go through, etc...

HOW SHOULD a TRIBE CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN ITSELF WHILE WAITING ON FEDERAL RECOGNITION & Money!
Do your offices run on FREE Electricity, Free water from the state, was the buildings Paid for by Tribal citizens or the Government?

...Thank you all again for listening to me!

Since you are Seminole, why aren't you with the Seminole nation? You can't tell me it's because of being Black. Many Seminole are also Black.

Why do some other Yamassee who say they are Creek, etc, not join the Creek or their other particular tribe? It makes more sense than a heritage club led by people with faux-Muslim names. Until you throw away the last of the Nuwaubian pseudo history claims, it will make learning the actual history more difficult.

And many tribes sustain themselves without federal money, both recognized and not recognized. It does not take money to learn the true stories and pass on traditions.

Hopefully many more with Black/Indian ancestry or those believing they are will realize you must learn the right way of doing things from relatives, and turn away from racist abusive liars like York. I hope you stay around to tell us more of these abusers. I also hope you encourage others who have been harmed by York to come forward.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: earthw7 on June 08, 2012, 03:21:26 pm
Our tribal office was paid for by a lawsuit with the United States government and we won,  ;D
when they flooided our land,
we own the water so we dont pay for the water here because of another lawsuit we files.
that means we have never given up fighting Lilili
We have many different funding sources for the tribe not just Federal government.
As you should know there are no "Sioux" people.
We are Lakota-Dakota and Nakota Nations
people located in seven states and three Canandia Provinces,
We are 1851-1868 Treaty people so we never had to get recognized by the United States.
As a Nation we were already a nation never had to prove that fact ever,
We still have our language and it is not not an ancient language but a language we use everyday.
it is important to protect who we are by not making up stories of who we are, our winter counts go back
two thousand years.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on January 15, 2014, 04:13:05 pm
It's become more obvious they are yet another splinter outfit of faux Muslim Nuwaubian cultists.

I can't believe they actually put this on the front page of their "tribal" website.

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http://yamasseegov.org/main_site/
Even though many would say the Yamassee are not "Recognized" by the B.I.A. which is obvious, as we have said we do not wish to be so or may ignore countless documents by Senators and Congress officials, that say it doesn't matter All "INDIAN" Tribes have Inherent rights. Lastly is that there are several forms of "Recognition" one being Judicial, and No smarty pants we are not talking about our D.O.T.

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What, is the writer ten years old?

Here's their "chief's" book.
http://www.lulu.com/shop/inscribed-by-chief-sekhu-hidden-eagle-thunderbird-gentle/yamassee-culture-heritage-practices-study-guiderevised/paperback/product-21329807.html;jsessionid=921E608B36A5F9E4EB7419F1AA6AAB67?showPreview=true

Ah yes, "Chief Seku Hidden Eagle Thunderbird." Subtle, like a name chosen by a kid who read a lot of Marvel comics.

Other members.
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http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/Yamassee_language
The website of the Official Yamassee Government, makes clear of its Tribal Identity through their Newly Appointed Miko Sekhu Gentle, and it is Officially Recognized as a Sovereign Nation with the same previous Treaty rights, of their predecessors ie... Tomochichi & The Indian Land Treaty 1707.
The website shows , that Chief Gentle, is a Lineal Descendant of the Yamassee, last seen in northern Florida, between St. Augustine & Pensacola and having descendants from what was called "Altamaha", in Beaufort South Carolina .
Having family living on Florida census records in the Monticello, Fl area Known for some of the Largest Mounds in Florida. Sekhu is the Son of Col. Geronimo Gentle, Who is the Son of Willie Gentle I.

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They say they have a tribal police force who have all gone through hand to hand combat training. That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Film of their powwow with maybe 30-50 people. I have no idea why they play A Tribe Called Red song. I doubt the group gave their permission to use it.
http://yamasseegov.org/main_site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62&Itemid=69

They claim distant descent from a group 300 years ago. They charge $54 for membership, but claim disavow any ties to frauds that are tied to the sovereign citizens..
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http://yamasseegov.org/main_site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=71&Itemid=75

•Who are the Yamassee Indian Tribe / Yamassee (Muskogee) Nation?
Ans: The Yamassee Indian Tribe of Florida, South Carolina & Georgia are the Blood descendants of the Swift Creek ancestry. Our Bloodline is proven through our connection to the Yamassee Seminole's who fought in the Yamassee War of 1715- 1717 and those whom later, chose to migrate into Northern Florida who was later identified as " Seminole" of the Hitchiti stock also called the Miccosuki in later history. The Core of our Family being related by Blood to " Sam Jones" " Aripuka" or "Abiaka" the Seminole War Chief who fought in all of the Seminole wars. Abiaka was born in Miccosuki, Florida on the Florida/ Georgia border or Line before the Migration of a Certain Group of Miccosuki to the Everglades after passing through Tampa. This Area is closely located near Monticello, Florida (Letchworth Mounds) and Waukeenah....

Are you a Group or Cult?
Ans: 100% No, the Yamassee existed before the Continental Land Drift as history shows, the purported connection to others Identified as Yamassee or private individuals lack of understanding to a actual "Black" Tribe does not make us a cult, and has No bearing on the existence of the Yamassee as a legitimate Tribe, which history shows was apart of the most bloodiest war in American History called the “Yamassee War of 1715”.

What about the Reports from Blogs all of you are the same Group of Tax defrauding Schemers ?

Ans: Assumptions based on those trying to show affiliation to our Tribe. However everyone has the right to Identify themselves as whatever they choose, this is their right. However we have never Nor our Chief attempted to claim or take over any rogue organization using the Yamassee name, or be party to any illegal activity. We when we are contacted by self proclaimed Yamassee tribes, attempt to ascertain, the legitimacy of the Yamassee Connection, and have attempted to help legitimize what ever efforts, only to understand that if no honor exist all efforts are for not. We Yamassee base whom we are on blood lineage and Proof via our Blood Ties and our continued Practice of our Culture and Identity through our Matriarchs and Chiefs. This does not mean we condone any false claims, of those identifying themselves as Yamassee, Just that all of the blood related Yamassee, bands, Clans or Nations are together in UNITY with Each other which makes up the Yamassee Nation, no matter what our Skin tone seems we have come together, and validated our blood ties as One Nation under the Great Spirit. (Please See http://www.yamasseenation.org)

Are you affiliated with a group called Y.N.A.A. N. or Mt. Arafat (Mund Barafeen)?

100% NO,
 If you read the fabricated report, they obviously have a problem with us making a clear distinction between us and them . Actually we have worked hard to separate our name with them, having to show U.S. Officials there is no affiliation. We want nothing from this group, nor support their efforts. They have the right most do which is freedom of speech, and can say what they want. There is no Political affiliation between us and them nor the alleged activities they seem to promote as the United States show! Please research for yourselves, The Yamassee Nation has stood on it's on! (Please See http://www.yamasseenation.org)

...Do you sell membership?
Ans: 100% No.
You have to Petition our Tribe which is $54 and show you are Blood related to us

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FB page and their "chief."
https://www.facebook.com/Yamassee.Nation
https://www.facebook.com/yamassee
Yamassee Nation's Chief (Mico) Se'khu Holam Hatchitulamiy Yamasi (Hidden Eagle Gentle) English translation. Born August 25th, 1974 on Davis Island, Florida to Current Grand Matriarch Brenda (Red Crow Thunderbird) Mitchell, the daughter of Betty Robinson & Edward James Mitchell. Chief (Mico) Se'khu's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Td7MJ_wQ3s
Seemingly he won't ever appear in public when not in regalia.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Odelle on January 16, 2014, 06:01:36 am
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Seemingly he won't ever appear in public when not in regalia.

Lol! That must make for some interesting exchanges with the neighbors when he takes the dog for a walk or goes for a burger at the McDonald's drive-in.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on January 19, 2014, 04:40:58 pm
Their chief.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79075406/Principal-Chief-Sekhu-Hidden-Eagle-Gentle-Yamassee-Muskogee-Nation

One of the supposed elders "Zapheneath Sun Eagle" talking about Gentle. Articles about Moorish pseudo science, power animals, and sovereign citizen claims
http://www.scribd.com/Thunderbird19

Legal gibberish in a court case he tried to pull in Canada.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/108868357/I-Chief-nanya-Shaabu-El-R-c-TM-AM-NOT-and-have-NEVER-been-an-OPCA-Litigant-pdf

Very strange case of attempted murder accusations.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/97238968/Stamped-Original-Ken-Youth-Henry-Will-2004

The elder clearly says he's part of the At Sik Hata splinter of the Nuwaubians.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96541080/fax-to-irs-statement-of-claim-habeaus-corpus-ucc8-505

His reposting Nuwaubian leader York's book.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/57145161/The-Gold-Book-by-Dr-Malachi-York

Seku Gentle filed an intent to petition with the BIA in 2011. Claims to be a dr.

The main Nuwaubians make some claims about him. See comments.
http://nuwaubian.blogspot.com/2013/10/tone-ceremony-are-you-attending.html

Gentle is currently a wanted man.
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http://crimestop.us/listingview.php?listingID=965
Sekhu Amun Gentle
Last Name: Gentle    Height: 602    Weight: 230  Hair Color: Black
AKA: Mr. Gentle     Race: African-American     Sex: male     Age: 36 
Wanted for: Bail Jumping
First Name: Sekhu     County: Monroe     Status: Wanted 
General Information: Wanted by the Monroe County Sheriffs Office for Bail Jumping.

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http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/Sheriffs-Office-Local-Indian-tribe-harboring-child-illegally-236105341.html
News 12 at 6 o'clock / Monday, Dec. 16, 2013

ALLENDALE, S.C. (WRDW) -- You don't have to look hard to spot the 'No Trespassing' signs. They're nailed to trees and sign posts along a portion of Lawton Drive in Allendale County. The quiet neighborhood outside the Town of Allendale is actually an Indian reservation: The Yamassee Indian Reservation.

But just days ago, the Yamassee tribe was raided by cops. Deputies believe a two-year-old child is being harbored in the Indian community illegally.

"The child is there, out there somewhere, but they will not give the child up, which means they're violating this court order," says Lt. Steven Robinson with the Allendale County Sheriff's Office.

A Philadelphia County court order says the child should be returned to her mother immediately. The order says the child is believed to be with its putative father, Chief Sekhu Gentle of the Yamassee tribe.

Even though the South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) and Allendale County Sheriff's Office raided the reservation just days ago, Lt. Robinson says the child still hasn't been found.

"We understand that they openly admitted to having the child but will not relinquish the child to law enforcement," he says.

Robinson says it's believed the tribe is trying to take custody of the child through the Indian Child Welfare Act, a federal law that seeks to keep American Indian children with American Indian families.

"However, they're not recognized as an Indian tribe," says Robinson, who says he got the information from experts in Washington, D.C. "They have also not even applied for the recognition as an Indian tribe."

But the tribe's website says they do have a right to take children back, and it says "failure of a state court to recognize this right of intervention constitutes an act of genocide against the tribe as a minority group, and because the status of our constant warring and violation of treaties made with our people with the United States has never been resolved, the failure to acknowledge these Tribal Rights constitutes a War Crime."

However, Lt. Robinson maintains that the Yamassee in Allendale County are not a recognized tribe, thus not a sovereign power, and so they must still abide by state and federal laws. He says more charges and arrests could result. Lt. Robinson doesn't characterize the case as a kidnapping, however, he says the Sheriff's Office is still in talks with the Solicitor's Office to determine proper charges.

Robinson says he believes the child is safe.

The mother, Bilqiys Muhammad of Pennsylvania, has created a $1,000 reward for anyone who helps law enforcement capture Chief Gentle and return her child. A wanted poster she created says Sekhu was last seen driving a 1996 Ford F-150 that is green in color or a white Chevrolet pick-up truck. The poster says both vehicles have a Yamassee Indian Tribe stuck on the side of them.

In addition, two suspects have already been arrested by SLED agents for Custodial Intervention. Robinson says the two told agents, during the raid, that they would not assist in turning over the child to authorities.

News 12 tried to contact Chief Gentle but never heard back. An attorney for the tribe did not provide comment before airtime.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on June 07, 2014, 12:23:30 pm
Nuisance suit they filed, dismissed and almost laughed out of court. The "tribe" is almost broke or trying to appear so.

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http://www.narf.org/nill/bulletins/dct/documents/yamassee_v_allendale_2013.html
Slip Copy, 2013 WL 5797846 (D.S.C.)
 (Cite as: 2013 WL 5797846 (D.S.C.))
 Only the Westlaw citation is currently available.

United States District Court,
 D. South Carolina,
 Aiken Division.
 YAMASSEE INDIAN TRIBE, Plaintiff
 v.
 ALLENDALE COUNTY GOVERNMENT; Mr. Walter H. Sanders, Jr.; Harvey E. Rouse, Tax Assessor; Joe Mole, III; Ms. Thessa Smith; Calvin Brantley; and Elouise Brantley, Defendant.

C/A No. 1:13–cv–1577–TLW.
 Oct. 28, 2013.

Order
 TERRY L. WOOTEN, Chief Judge.
 *1 This action, brought by the pro se Plaintiff Yamassee Indian Tribe ( Tribe), alleges state and federal claims against the Defendants for actions taken regarding property the Tribe allegedly purchased at a tax sale. (Doc. # 1 at 1.) Before the Court are the Tribe's Motion for Leave to Proceed in forma pauperis (Doc. # 3), "Motion for Writ of Federal Protection" (Doc. # 5), and "Motion for Writ of Seizure of Assets" (Doc. # 6). Additionally, the Court is presented with the question of whether the Tribe may appear pro se in this action. For the reasons stated below, the Court denies the Tribe's motions, and declines to rule at this time on the question of whether the Tribe may appear pro se.

I. Factual and Procedural History
 The Tribe seeks $431 million in actual damages and $50 million in punitive damages from the Defendants in this property dispute. (Doc. # 1–1 at 4.) All of the Tribe's filings in this case were signed by Yamassee Indian Tribe Chief Brenda "Red Crow" Webb and Chairman Honorable Al–Golden Owl Bey. Neither Webb nor Bey are attorneys licensed to practice law before the Court. (Doc. # 13 at 2.)

Pretrial proceedings were referred to the magistrate judge pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 636(b) and Local Civil Rule 73.02(B)(2)(b) and (e). The magistrate judge ordered the Tribe to answer special interrogatories regarding its ability to proceed pro se, which it did on June 17, 2013. (Doc. # 13.)

In the Complaint, the Tribe identifies itself as a "Native American Tribal Government," (Doc. # 1 at 1), and in its answers to the special interrogatories, the Tribe implied that it is a federally-recognized tribe, (Doc. # 13 at 2–3). The Tribe has now clarified that it is not federally recognized and "has no desire to be such." (Doc. # 20 at 5.) In the Tribe's answers to the special interrogatories, it stated that it is an artificial business entity, registered as a public charity with the South Carolina Secretary of State. (Doc. # 13 at 1–2.)

The magistrate judge issued a Report and Recommendation (Report) recommending that the Tribe's motion to proceed in forma pauperis be denied and that the Tribe be required to submit the filing fee and obtain counsel within 28 days of the date of the order. (Doc # 18 at 6.) The Report also recommends that the Tribe's Motion for Writ of Federal Protection and Motion for Writ of Seizure of Assets be denied, without prejudice. (Id. at 7.) The Tribe filed an objection to the Report, asserting that it now has only $243.11 in cash FN1 and that it should be permitted to proceed pro se. (Doc. # 20.)

FN1. At the time it filed its motion to proceed in forma pauperis, the Tribe asserted that it had $800 in cash. (Doc. # 3–1 at 2.)

II. Discussion

A. Standard of Review

The magistrate judge's review is made in accordance with 28 U.S.C. § 636(b)(1)(B) and Local Civil Rule 73.02. The magistrate judge makes only a recommendation to the Court. The Report has no presumptive weight, and the responsibility to make a final determination remains with the Court. Mathews v. Weber, 423 U.S. 261, 270–71 (1976). The Court is charged with making a de novo determination of those portions of the Report to which a specific objection is made, and the Court may accept, reject, or modify, in whole or in part, the recommendation of the magistrate judge, or recommit the matter to the magistrate judge with instructions. 28 U .S.C. § 636(b)(1).

B. Payment of Filing Fee

*2 "Th[e] privilege to proceed without posting security for costs and fees is reserved to the many truly impoverished litigants who, within the District Court's sound discretion, would remain without legal remedy if such privilege were not afforded to them." Brewster v. N. Am. Van Lines, Inc., 461 F.2d 649, 651 (7th Cir.1972). Three tests are used to determine whether a person may proceed in forma pauperis under 28 U.S.C. § 1915:

(1) Is the litigant barred from the federal courts by reason of his impecunity?

(2) Is the litigant's access to the courts blocked by the imposition of an undue hardship?

(3) Is the litigant forced to contribute his last dollar, or render himself destitute, to prosecute the claim?

Carter v. Telectron, Inc., 452 F.Supp. 939, 943 (S.D.Tex.1976).
 When the Tribe filed its motion to proceed in forma pauperis, it stated that it had $800 in its bank account. Though the Tribe asserted in its objection to the Report that, at the time it filed the objection, it only had $243.11 in cash, this motion to proceed in forma pauperis is controlled by the information contained in the motion. Applying the Carter tests, the Court finds that the Tribe is neither effectively barred from the federal courts nor forced to render itself destitute to pursue its claims, and therefore may not proceed in forma pauperis.

Furthermore, even if the Tribe were destitute, it would still not be permitted to proceed in forma pauperis. In Rowland v. California Men's Colony, 506 U.S. 194 (1993), the Supreme Court held that § 1915 applies only to individual persons. See id. at 201. Thus, because the Tribe is not an individual person, it may not proceed in forma pauperis.

C. Temporary Restraining Order

The Tribe's Motion for Writ of Federal Protection, which the Court construes as a motion for temporary restraining order, seeks "an order preventing ALL Defendants from harassing, intimidating, annoy[ing], imped[ing] or obstruct [ing] the [ Tribe] and/or their property in any way." (Doc. # 5.) The Tribe "believes that Defendants would in some way or method antagonize the [ Tribe] purportedly by unknown means in their present Governmental capacities...." (Id.)

Issuance of a temporary restraining order is governed by the same general standards that govern the issuance of a preliminary injunction. Moore v. Kempthorne, 464 F.Supp.2d 519, 525 (E.D.Va.2006). As a form of preliminary injunctive relief, a temporary restraining order is "an extraordinary remedy never awarded as of right." Winter v. Natural Res. Def. Council, Inc., 555 U.S. 7, 24 (2008). A plaintiff seeking injunctive relief must establish the following four elements: (1) the plaintiff is likely to succeed on the merits; (2) the plaintiff is likely to suffer irreparable harm if the injunction is not granted; (3) the balance of equities tips in the plaintiff's favor; and (4) the injunction is in the public interest. Id. at 20. A plaintiff must demonstrate more than a mere possibility of irreparable harm because injunctive relief is "an extraordinary remedy that may only be awarded upon a clear showing that the plaintiff is entitled to such relief." Id. at 22.

*3 After careful consideration, the Court finds that the Tribe has failed to establish the elements required for the issuance of a temporary restraining order.

D. Attachment

The Tribe's Motion for Writ of Seizure of Assets, which the Court construes as a motion for attachment pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 64 and S.C.Code Ann. §§ 15–19–10 to—110, seeks "an order preventing ALL Defendants from deliberately disposing of financial Assets that may be due to [the Tribe]." (Doc. # 6.) The Tribe's motion is not accompanied by an affidavit and does not provide any facts supporting the Tribe's belief that the Defendants are deliberately disposing of their financial assets.

Rule 64 provides generally that every state law remedy available for seizing property to secure a potential judgment applies to federal cases. South Carolina's attachment law is found in S.C.Code Ann. §§ 15–19–10 to—110, and it provides generally that a plaintiff seeking a prejudgment attachment must show by affidavit that the debtor is trying to evade his creditors or has removed or is about to remove his property from the state with intent to defraud his creditors. See S.C.Code Ann. §§ 15–19–30 and—50.

After careful consideration, the Court finds that the Tribe has failed to establish that it is entitled to an attachment order.

E. Pro Se

At this time, the Court declines to rule on the question of whether the Tribe is entitled to proceed pro se.

III. Conclusion
 For the reasons stated, the Report is ACCEPTED IN PART. The Tribe's Motion for Leave to Proceed in forma pauperis (Doc. # 3) is DENIED.FN2 The Tribe's Motion for Writ of Federal Protection (Doc. # 5) and Motion for Writ of Seizure of Assets (Doc. # 6) are DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: loudcrow on June 09, 2014, 03:18:02 am
http://www.lavozlatinaonline.net/noticias-Advertencia-de-la-Di%C3%B3cesis-de-Savannah-sobre-estafas-de-inmigraci%C3%B3n-en-863.aspx
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Diana on June 09, 2014, 07:12:29 am
http://www.lavozlatinaonline.net/noticias-Advertencia-de-la-Di%C3%B3cesis-de-Savannah-sobre-estafas-de-inmigraci%C3%B3n-en-863.aspx

This is the first paragraph from the article. "Individuals claiming to be members of the Yamasee Indian Tribe are targeting undocumented immigrants in Georgia and neighboring states. The scam involves paying to be “adopted” as a member of the tribe in order to receive U.S. Citizenship status". Victims receive a fraudulent citizenship document with their photograph".

I have asked and kind of polled some of our long time members/posters about having a section/category for fake and fraudulent tribes, we were all in agreement that this would be very helpful and informative for all.

 I've also asked some of the moderators if this would be possible. I was told that it would be a lot of work but it would be something they would look into....

We all have posted or discussed that something has to be done about these fake tribes. I feel they are not only harmful but dangerous. I would be willing to help in anyway possible. Just tell me what it would take and consider it done.

Lim lemtsh,

Diana 
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Diana on October 31, 2014, 03:52:14 pm
Saw this over on Indianz.com There are also several other news articles about the same people here:  http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/015504.asp My bold

Two accused of selling membership in fake Indian tribe

Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:58 pm

 CHRISTINA R. GARZA | STAFF WRITER 

A Brownsville man and woman have been charged with selling memberships in a non-recognized American Indian tribe, claiming membership would allow immigrants in the country illegally to avoid deportation, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Texas Kenneth Magidson announced.
 
Humberto Reveles, 60, and Maria Isabel Lerma, 31, were named in a 12-count indictment returned under seal Oct. 21. Lerma made her initial appearance Wednesday and was taken into custody pending a detention hearing on Monday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Ronald Morgan, a news release said.

Reveles is expected to surrender to federal authorities in the near future.

The indictment alleges both conspired to commit mail fraud and possessed with the intent to transfer five or more identification documents. Reveles also was indicted for additional charges related to identification documents that appear to be issued under the authority of the U.S., for fraud and misuse of visas, permits and other documents, and for impersonating a diplomat.

The indictment alleges the pair was involved in a conspiracy to obtain money by selling membership in a non-federally acknowledged Indian tribe, the Yamassee. They allegedly claimed Yamassee tribal membership would allow tribe members to avoid deportation and to live and work in the country legally.

cgarza@brownsvilleherald.com

For the most complete version of this story, log in or subscribe to MyMonitorNews.com.

http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/two-accused-of-selling-membership-in-fake-indian-tribe/article_19ce5b32-6099-11e4-9ad1-001a4bcf6878.html
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: milehighsalute on October 31, 2014, 11:10:56 pm
AGAIN?
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Sparks on April 22, 2017, 12:25:02 am
Saw this over on Indianz.com There are also several other news articles about the same people here:  http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/015504.asp My bold

Two accused of selling membership in fake Indian tribe

One of them, Mr. Humberto Reveles, suffered this fate:

One of the Yamassee fakes will go to prison.

http://www.sfgate.com/houston/article/Man-sentenced-for-selling-bogus-tribal-memberships-9964867.php
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on August 31, 2017, 04:07:22 pm
Yet more troubles a few months ago within this group, this time resulting in murder. The local news took a break from research, becoming so gullible or ignorant as to present them repeatedly as an actual tribe.

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http://www.wrdw.com/content/news/Tribal-marshal-killed-on-Indian-reservation-near-Allendale-425936194.html
Saturday, June 10, 2017
ALLENDALE, S.C.(WRDW/WAGT) – A Native American tribe in Allendale held a ceremony on Saturday to honor one of that was killed a week before.

The Chief Tribe Marshall of the Yamassee Tribe in Allendale was shot and killed by Bernard Vincent Iverson, the Yamassee Head Chief’s son.

The Head Chief Sekhu Gentle said the ceremony was held to celebrate the transition of their warrior and Chief Marshall, Davis McGurn....

Monday, June 5, 2017
ALLENDALE, S.C. (WRDW/WAGT) -- The son of an Indian chief accused of killing the Yamassee Nation's tribal marshal has been denied bond.

Allendale County Sheriff Office said the suspect, Vincent Iverson, fled before they got there. The Sheriff's Office caught Iverson before SLED arrived.

The shooter is the chief's son who recently came to town. The victim is the tribe's police and chief's close friend.

Investigators say the shooting happened after a confrontation between tribal cop and chief's son. The chief's son allegedly broke into one of the homes there....

A bond hearing for Iverson will be held on Monday.

This is the first violent incident the tribe has had since they relocated here from Florida approximately 5 years ago. The reservation is in the eastern part of the county on about 15-20 acres of land, and about a dozen trailers sit on the property.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: milehighsalute on August 31, 2017, 08:24:35 pm
why does the media even entertain them as a legit tribe?
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Piff on September 01, 2017, 06:32:19 pm
More info on Sekhu Amun Gentle http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3706.msg36489#msg36489

His prior name is Donald Louis Franklin Jr https://web.archive.org/web/20170901024810/http://www.mugshot-publication.com/Counties/Florida/Hillsborough-County/Donald-Louis-Franklin-Jr.1394487.html Birthdate is exactly the same. Plus the Tampa address given on Sekhu Gentle's letter of intent to petition B.I.A exactly matches the Tampa voter address for Donald Louis Franklin.

Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Piff on September 04, 2017, 12:20:40 am
Donald Louis Franklin Jr/Sekhu Gentle was a headliner at a 2013 "nuwaupian nation" event, the flyer for the "tone ceremony" states that the "sovereign grand commander" is Malachi Z York.

(Info on Dwight York/Malachi & Nuwaubians https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nuwaubian-nation-moors Plus there is lots of info on this forum. do a search from the home page http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php)

Franklin claims that he is a descendant of  Tuko-See-Mathla (John Hicks) and Abiaka (Sam Jones) https://www.facebook.com/pg/yamassee/about/?ref=page_internal

One of his YouTube channels https://www.youtube.com/user/CreekIndian803/about

Franklin uses the name SG-1 for some music and video endeavors . He's involved in "Tha Piecemakerz" https://www.facebook.com/pg/Tha-Piecemakerz-287599597923838/about/?ref=page_internal  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt35GAmGk4M

He does these "music millionaire" videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8qndYkFKMI

Although Franklin and others various places online imply that they are part of Dr. Dre's inner circle, that does not seem to be the case. The videos are badly produced. And there is this disclaimer on a past Franklin website:
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DISCLAIMER: DR. DRE IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THIS SITE NOR DOES HE ENDORSE ANY MATERIAL GIVEN. BY SG-1 OF THA PIECEMAKERZ  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED MUSIC MILLIONAIRES CLUB (C) 2011 A TRIBALLY OWNED COMPANY OPERATED ON TRIBAL LAND

https://web.archive.org/web/20120623000527/http://musicmillionairesclub.com:80/
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: educatedindian on September 05, 2017, 12:00:08 am
Franklin/Gentle's other legal troubles.

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http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/Sheriffs-Office-Local-Indian-tribe-harboring-child-illegally-236105341.html
ALLENDALE, S.C. (WRDW) -- You don't have to look hard to spot the 'No Trespassing' signs. They're nailed to trees and sign posts along a portion of Lawton Drive in Allendale County. The quiet neighborhood outside the Town of Allendale is actually an Indian reservation: The Yamassee Indian Reservation.

But just days ago, the Yamassee tribe was raided by cops. Deputies believe a two-year-old child is being harbored in the Indian community illegally.

"The child is there, out there somewhere, but they will not give the child up, which means they're violating this court order," says Lt. Steven Robinson with the Allendale County Sheriff's Office.

A Philadelphia County court order says the child should be returned to her mother immediately. The order says the child is believed to be with its putative father, Chief Sekhu Gentle of the Yamassee tribe.

Even though the South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division (SLED) and Allendale County Sheriff's Office raided the reservation just days ago, Lt. Robinson says the child still hasn't been found.

"We understand that they openly admitted to having the child but will not relinquish the child to law enforcement," he says.

Robinson says it's believed the tribe is trying to take custody of the child through the Indian Child Welfare Act, a federal law that seeks to keep American Indian children with American Indian families.

"However, they're not recognized as an Indian tribe," says Robinson, who says he got the information from experts in Washington, D.C. "They have also not even applied for the recognition as an Indian tribe." [This was in 2013.]

But the tribe's website says they do have a right to take children back, and it says "failure of a state court to recognize this right of intervention constitutes an act of genocide against the tribe as a minority group, and because the status of our constant warring and violation of treaties made with our people with the United States has never been resolved, the failure to acknowledge these Tribal Rights constitutes a War Crime."

However, Lt. Robinson maintains that the Yamassee in Allendale County are not a recognized tribe, thus not a sovereign power, and so they must still abide by state and federal laws. He says more charges and arrests could result. Lt. Robinson doesn't characterize the case as a kidnapping, however, he says the Sheriff's Office is still in talks with the Solicitor's Office to determine proper charges.

Robinson says he believes the child is safe. The mother, Bilqiys Muhammad of Pennsylvania, has created a $1,000 reward for anyone who helps law enforcement capture Chief Gentle and return her child. A wanted poster she created says Sekhu was last seen driving a 1996 Ford F-150 that is green in color or a white Chevrolet pick-up truck. The poster says both vehicles have a Yamassee Indian Tribe stuck on the side of them.

In addition, two suspects have already been arrested by SLED agents for Custodial Intervention. Robinson says the two told agents, during the raid, that they would not assist in turning over the child to authorities.

News 12 tried to contact Chief Gentle but never heard back. An attorney for the tribe did not provide comment before airtime.

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His LinkedIn claims he has expertise in Indian Child Welfare Act.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sekhu-gentle-06a70284/

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http://mcr.stparchive.com/Archive/MCR/MCR12302009p014.php
Lists him as indicted for DUI, etc. Dec 2009.

A very mangled bunch of history and genealogy claims.
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https://www.scribd.com/doc/79075406/Principal-Chief-Sekhu-Hidden-Eagle-Gentle-Yamassee-Muskogee-Nation
born August 25th, 1974 in Florida to Chief Brenda Red Crow Thunderbird Mitchell Daughter of Betty Robinson & Edward James Mitchell Chief Sekhu's father is Colonel Geronimo Gentle son of Katherine Simmons & Willie Gentle.
 
Chief Sekhu Hidden Eagle is the one of the Few Last Yamassee Pure bloods that has been raised and taught by the Elders. Living in Monticello & Tampa,Fl for most of his adolescent life, then living in Louisiana amongst the Choctaw and Apalachee of his family during his pre-teen years Sent to his Great Grandmother for learning of culture and heritage of the Yamassee then Clan Mother and Elder Martha Mary Magdalene Wright Whom became Clan Mother and Matriarch after the Death of her Aunt and
Grand Matriarch Roberta Wright-(Ryham)
 
....The White Settlers who for the most part after the wars, left us alone, anddid not want war with us again. "The Stories said by My Ancestors" Miki Sekhu Says, "tells of the pale face as we called them, reasons for leaving usout of history was knowing that if they alerted the British government of ourpresence still in the region, it would be a costly and devasting situation forthe Colonial Whites to deal with AGAIN.? So we all shared a reciprocity,
(Please note the Movie the Patriot with " Mel Gibson")
they allowed us to live in peace as independent and Sovereign Farmers, and traders in Beaufort County area and we did the same trying to stay neutral when Wars or Conflicts Arose with other family members.

...Further storiesconfirm, Craven took this approach because there were over a Million of the Yamassee Creek people and as history shows, is the reason why this war was supposed to be so monumental.

....Chief Sekhu's was told, that the matriarchs of the family was faced with being killed, raped or mixing by whites of their day and time through slave raids, and common disrespect so they Listed themselves on the "Dawes Roll" as Cherokee because the Cherokee had aligned themselves better with the Whites than the Yamassee....
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Piff on September 06, 2017, 12:13:13 pm
Donald Louis Franklin Jr / Sekhu Gentle's mother is Brenda Diana Webb. Her birth surname is Mitchell, Webb is from a recent marriage. She calls herself Chief Red Crow Thunderbird and other variations.

She solicits donations for the "Yamassee Indian Tribe" through her "Native American and Tribal Jewelry" business https://www.redcrowstrading.com/pages/donate (archive https://web.archive.org/web/20170906114338/https://www.redcrowstrading.com/pages/donate )

Also http://craftnbeads.com/ "Yamassee Indian Trading Co." https://web.archive.org/web/20170906115327/http://craftnbeads.com/

She is listed as vp of the now inactive Yamassee Indian Tribe Inc of Florida as Chief Brenda D Red Crow Webb. Her son listed as Chief Sekhu Hidden Eagle Gentle. http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=YAMASSEEINDIANTRIBE%20N120000097070&aggregateId=domnp-n12000009707-77bad6b2-bbba-44e5-b29d-176180035608&searchTerm=yamassee&listNameOrder=YAMASSEEBUILDERS%20L050000808960

Her husband Clifford J Webb is referred to as "Chief Justice" https://turtletalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/38-mj-rr.pdf

I've uploaded here a copy of a past lawsuit against them by a former friend in their various Yamassee endeavors. The .pdf includes copies of their emails which deteriorated into threatening trash talk.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: Piff on September 07, 2017, 01:42:05 pm
Their membership application requires birth certificate, social security, health info, family history, names and birth dates of all children, along with $45 plus $10 for genealogy fee.

This is identity theft just waiting to happen. They could misuse it, or they could be hacked, or a splinter faction could walk off with it.

I've looked over the various genealogy heritage claims of the core members. They don't have anything near proof of what they claim. The claims they do make are garbled, out of context, incorrect, some of it looks faked and some possibly a sign that they don't know what they are doing. Some of the claims are impossible. I'm not going to lay out what is wrong because they then could make use of that information.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Indian Tribe of Seminoles
Post by: RedRightHand on November 14, 2023, 08:50:21 pm
Donald Louis Franklin Jr / Sekhu Gentle is now going by Sekhu Hadjo-Gentle on social media.

This is one of the Facebook accounts he's currently using as Sekhu Hadjo-Gentle  https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100086923050193

"Official Page for :Chief / Mico Se’khu Hadjo Gentle of the Yamassee Indian tribe of Seminole

    Profile · Digital creator
    Lineal Head Chief by Blood at Yamassee War
    Lives in Allendale, South Carolina"

He has been messaging people offering to sell them enrollment cards. He has messaged Natives who are enrolled in federally-recognized tribes. Given what we know about his group asking people for data that would allow for identity theft, this could also be a setup for scamming Nations as well as individuals.
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Allendale SC/Yamasee Indian Tribe of Seminoles
Post by: NAFPS Housekeeping on November 14, 2023, 08:58:06 pm
Still using the url https://yamasseenation.org/

Now calling themselves:

"Yamassee Nation GA, FL, SC
Yamassee Indian Tribe of Seminoles
The Ancient Tribe of History
Yamassee Indian Tribe"

And he has an Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/yamasseetribe
Title: Re: Yamassee Nation of Florida/Yamasee Muscogee Nation
Post by: milehighsalute on February 06, 2024, 06:25:26 pm
My reply

Lakotiya TamakewasteWin iyuha cante wasteya nape ciyuzapelo!

My name is Tamaka waste Win I shake you hand from my heart

we do not pay to be enrolled, we pay to get a copy of our photo ID,
it is an option to have a photo ID but we can pick up our tribal enrollment
papers free. That is the difference in case you did not understand.
My people have story of different people we encountered as we traveled from
South America. I spent time with the Seminole and know from their history they
are Creek descendants. They keep the same culture as the Creek along with
the ceremonies.
When you live in Native Country you know that is the culture we have the right to
ask people who are u? What is your relatives names what band and clan do u come from?
Everyone in the old days would have witness to say I am come from this family and this
is who can tell you that.
Today we have people that dont understand native culture and get offend when we ask question of people.
We still live our culture and yes we still speak our langauge and live our culture.
I am not condeming anyone just asking question because the post was so strange to me.
Everyone we know is Native and that lives on our reservation.
We keep our family histories so i know who everyone is.
I dont have family who is not on our rolls as a tribal nation.
I have nothing aganist Black people this about people who make up history and make up cultures.

R-I-P Mrs. BraveBull

i miss her posts

anyways........indian country is small and if you grew up native you should know that NO ONE is exempt from the ol' ndn interrogation if they meet other natives

i proudly proclaim my family

i dont need to go way back in the woodpile to find someone who is indian or may be indian according to family lore, i actually talked to my native ancestors every day my mom my aunts my uncles my grandparents and great grandparents

and i grew up in an indian community who knew them all

i could never understand the appeal of taking an ancestor you never met generations back and making up this character of them and twisting stories up to make it all fit into some image you built up of yourself as a natives

its just insanity to me

sorry.......this doesnt have much to do with this old post or help very much but i was just commenting out of boredom