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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: flyaway on April 13, 2010, 04:37:54 am
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Anyone know anything about this group?
http://www.lakotasiouxindians.1hwy.com/
They claim to send monies to Can-Do but I emailed Eric head of Can-Do and he states that they have not received any money or heard of this group Nor has Dennis Banks T.R.E.A.T.Y.
I have contacted some folks at Pine Ridge and Rose Bud and these people are not known there.
Anyone here know them. They are asking for donations.
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I haven't heard of this association, but have a few comments after I had a look at their site.
First of all, they aren't a non-profit association: they are registered with the chamber of commerce. A non-profit in the Netherlands can be a 'stichting' or a „v.z.w“, but the words „zonder winst“ (i.e. without profit) are nowhere to be seen at this site. Due to their status, they will have to pay tax on all monies taken in which will of course be deducted from donations.
I could not find any information on projects they did or presently do. It is somewhat surprising they don't mention projects, as these will make people more inclined to donate. All one can see is repeated appeals to donate money, and claims that donations will be used to „support Indians“.
Another information missing is: when was the association founded.
Legal provisions may be different in the Netherlands, but over here, it will be illegal to have the chairperson of an association in the position of a treasurer at the same time, as this means there is no sufficient control of the chairperson's use of the monies taken in. I also realized there are only two persons on the board – again, things are handled differently here.
Although they publish their texts in both Dutch and English, I see some differences in the versions posted. This does not mean they say completely different things, but nuances sometimes are important, too, as well as leaving out an entire sentence.
As an example, I did a translation of their Dutch text on their start page which you may please compare to their English translation below.
„Han Mitakuyapi
Welcome to the site of the Lakota Sioux Indians.
The Lakota Sioux Indians is an association, and we as an association ask for your help.
We as an association support the Oglala Lakota Indians on Pine Ridge Reservation who still must live in miserable conditions.
People who really want to do something for the Indians, now can really help by making a donation, even if it is just a small amount, every bit helps.
Do you want to do something for the Indians, too? Then you can, become a member of the Lakota Sioux Indians. Become a member and help the Indians in the reservations in South Dakota to a better life through your donation. If you want to become a member, please contact us and write a mail to: […]
Thanks for your contribution for the Indians who need your help so very much.“
Han Mitakuyapi
Welcome to this website of the Lakota Sioux Indians.
The Lakota Sioux Indians is an Association to support the Oglala Lakota Indians who live at Pine Ridge reservation in miserable circumstances.
People who really want to do something for the people in the reservation really can help now by sending some money, much or few, it doesn't matter, every amount helps.
Please because with that money the people in the reservation in South Dakota can be helped. So if you really want to help, than donate NOW.
Do you really want to help the people in the reservation? You can......by becoming a member of the Lakota Sioux Indians. Become a member and help the Indians, with your donation, to get a better life in the reservations in South Dakota. If you want to be a member, contact us and write to,
lakotasiouxindians@gmail.com
Thank you for helping us and the Indians
Chairwoman-Treasurer - Wil van Herp
Secretary - Rico van Pamelen
Copyright 2009 © tekst: Lakota Sioux Indians
Chamber of Commerce nr 24449195
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Over here on Standing Rock we never heard of them either,
Why a Lakota Sioux Nation in the Netherlands that is just plain strange.
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A friend just received this from Lakota Sioux Nation of the Neatherlands ???;
Lakota Sioux Indians17 april 2010 om 12:53
Re: Reported
What are you talking about. I support all organizations I said also Henry Red Clouds project Lakota Solar Enterprices.
Why do you don't belief me and why should I lie???
I am an official association, this is my Chamber of Commerce nr 24449195
I have a call in to Henery Red Cloud as to this project, I am sure it will be the same answer as, Eric from Can-DO and Dennis Banks T.R.E.A.T.Y which failed years ago. Nothing but an abandoned building there now.
Any one on the board from the neatherlands that can check this org/Association out?
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A friend just received this from Lakota Sioux Nation of the Neatherlands ???;
Lakota Sioux Indians17 april 2010 om 12:53
Re: Reported
What are you talking about. I support all organizations I said also Henry Red Clouds project Lakota Solar Enterprices.
Why do you don't belief me and why should I lie???
I am an official association, this is my Chamber of Commerce nr 24449195
I have a call in to Henery Red Cloud as to this project, I am sure it will be the same answer as, Eric from Can-DO and Dennis Banks T.R.E.A.T.Y which failed years ago. Nothing but an abandoned building there now.
Any one on the board from the neatherlands that can check this org/Association out?
Anyone in the neatherlands that can check out the chamber of Commerce #.
I know this group is scamming and using the Lakota Sioux to do so. Where do I go from here. Can anyone on the board help me with this. Thanks. ???
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A friend just received this from Lakota Sioux Nation of the Neatherlands ???;
Lakota Sioux Indians17 april 2010 om 12:53
Re: Reported
What are you talking about. I support all organizations I said also Henry Red Clouds project Lakota Solar Enterprices.
Why do you don't belief me and why should I lie???
I am an official association, this is my Chamber of Commerce nr 24449195
I have a call in to Henery Red Cloud as to this project, I am sure it will be the same answer as, Eric from Can-DO and Dennis Banks T.R.E.A.T.Y which failed years ago. Nothing but an abandoned building there now.
Any one on the board from the neatherlands that can check this org/Association out?
Anyone in the neatherlands that can check out the chamber of Commerce #.
I know this group is scamming and using the Lakota Sioux to do so. Where do I go from here. Can anyone on the board help me with this. Thanks. ???
Hello to you all.
We are deeply affected by your allegations to our association.
I spoke Liz Sunderland from the Henry Red Cloud project "Lakota Solar Enterprices" 5 days ago and this is what she wrote to me.
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From: Liz Sunderland <liz@treeswaterpeople.org>
Date: 2010/8/20
Subject: RE: Will you look at this site pls
To: Wil van Herp <lakotasiouxindians@gmail.com>
Cc: Megan Maiolo <megan@treeswaterpeople.org>
Hi Wil,
I understand why you are upset about this website. We have also been contacted by people with questions about your association.
However, we have NOT responded to anyone, or posted anything about what you have or have not donated to Lakota Solar Enterprises or Trees, Water & People.
Our records show that you have given two donations to Trees, Water & People, to benefit Henry Red Cloud’s work at Pine Ridge: one for $137.00 USD (received August 20, 2009) and one for $136.00 (received November 30, 2009). We not received anything from you in 2010. Do you agree that this is accurate?
We hereby demand your appolegie by your false allegations, adressed to our association here in this forum.
We can prove by sending you copies off all donations we did. Send us an e-mail adress where we can send it to.
After sending you the prove that we did made those donations then we require that we be taken off the spam list and that you put our association as a reliable association on the white list, also here in
this forum.
Friendly regards,
Wil van Herp
Chairwoman association
Lakota Sioux Indians
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Hello Ms. Van Herp,
First, we will try to remember English is not your first language. So if we say anything unclear, tell us. We have a German speaker as a member, but no Dutch speakers I know of.
As you can see by reading this thread, we can only act upon the information we have. It seems Henry Red Cloud's project gave us false information. Though they really can't blamed. You gave them two small donations of less than 300 dollars almost a year ago. It's no surprise they might forget and had to check their records.
I hope you can help us clear up the other questions about your organization:
How much funds have you raised? The full amount?
Besides HRC's project, what else have you given to? The other two organizations don't seem to know you.
Looking at your organization, it may just not be run very well, rather than out to cheat or defraud people. Ingeborg mentioned that possibility when discussing your not being a nonprofit.
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Hello Educatedindian.
Thank you for your repley and yes you're right, my english is not my first language, sorry for my bad English, I can't speak German too.
Yes I will help you to clear up the other questions about our organization.
We did make over a donation from € 100,00 Euro to T.R.E.A.T.Y March 17 2009 and a donation from $137.00 USD July 08 2009 to HRC's project and a donation from $136.00 USD December 14 2009 to HRC's project and we make over a donation of $107,00 USD to Can-do for the people at Crow Creek Januari 02 2010
Now we will support the Natives from South America too.
And yes we are really a non profit association
I hope that your questions and doubts have answered.
Wil van Herp
Chairwoman association
Lakota Sioux Indians
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Hello LSI,
If you are Dutch, why do you call yourself "Lakota Sioux Indians" and "Lakota Sioux Nation"?
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Hello LSI,
If you are Dutch, why do you call yourself "Lakota Sioux Indians" and "Lakota Sioux Nation"?
Hello Kathryn.
I do not call myself "Lakota Sioux Indians" that's the name of our association.
Our association was born on 01/01/2009 to support the Lakota people of North America.
We chose for the name "Lakota Sioux Indians" for the Dutch people, to let them know that we support the North American Natives.
People here in the Netherlands only know who Lakota Sioux Indians are that's why we gave the association the name" Lakota Sioux Indians".
Now we want to give our support to the South <b>and</b> North American Natives so we will changed our name of the association from "Lakota Sioux Indians" to "All Native Nations" soon.
I hope that your questions and doubts have answered now.
Wil van Herp
Chairwoman association
Lakota Sioux Indians
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Hello LSI,
If you are Dutch, why do you call yourself "Lakota Sioux Indians" and "Lakota Sioux Nation"?
Hello Kathryn.
We have the name Lakota Sioux Indians to let people know that we support the Lakota people, that's why.
You don't feel concerned that, in a world full of con men and women who pass themselves off as native when they are not, that calling yourself "Lakota Sioux Indians" and "Lakota Sioux Nation" is actually hugely misleading and a very bad idea indeed?
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Hello LSI,
If you are Dutch, why do you call yourself "Lakota Sioux Indians" and "Lakota Sioux Nation"?
Hello Kathryn.
We have the name Lakota Sioux Indians to let people know that we support the Lakota people, that's why.
You don't feel concerned that, in a world full of con men and women who pass themselves off as native when they are not, that calling yourself "Lakota Sioux Indians" and "Lakota Sioux Nation" is actually hugely misleading and a very bad idea indeed?
Hi nemesis.
I do NOT call myself "LAKOTA SIOUX INDIANS" our association is called "LAKOTA SIOUX INDIANS" not me and we will give the association a new name I wrote before.
BUT the problem was that we, the association, were blamed for spammers and not the name and I did proved that we are NOT spammers so that must be enough okay.
For those who ask the same question I answer no more, one answer must be enough.
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How about from a Lakota/Dakota person
I see you claim to give money to Crow Creek-Dakota people.
I was wondering if you only worked with Pine Ridge? So of all
the 14 Lakota and Dakota reservation you help two one Lakota
and the other Dakota right.
You sent less that $300.00 to these two reservation
what was it for and who recieved the funds and why?
I have a right to ask since you are using my Nation name
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How about from a Lakota/Dakota person
I see you claim to give money to Crow Creek-Dakota people.
I was wondering if you only worked with Pine Ridge? So of all
the 14 Lakota and Dakota reservation you help two one Lakota
and the other Dakota right.
You sent less that $300.00 to these two reservation
what was it for and who recieved the funds and why?
I have a right to ask since you are using my Nation name
I gave that answer earlier above.
We did make over a donation from $126,00 Euro to T.R.E.A.T.Y March 17 2009
$137.00 USD July 08 2009 to HRC's project
$136.00 USD December 14 2009 to HRC's project
and $107,00 USD to Can-do for the people at Crow Creek Januari 02 2010
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$506,00 USD
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Hello Wil,
I think I can see things from your side in choosing the name, so I won't ask you to explain again. What I'm observing is possibly just a bad translation. Not in the literal sense, but in the practical sense.
Just a word to you Wil. The name in its English form is a very bad choice...I'm not blaming you, I just don't think you were completely aware.
The name "Lakota Sioux Nation of the Netherlands" as it is written implies that you are either Lakota people in the Netherlands or that you directly represent Lakota people in the Netherlands. You've let us know that neither is the case, but someone who didn't have that information wouldn't see that in the first place. The misunderstanding by even Natives ourselves has led your site to be questioned here, so if you look at the effect of the name...it's really only hampered your efforts.
I applaud your efforts, every little bit helps and I would change the name (the English version) to something that explains your efforts more clearly. Even your new name "All Native Nations" is hard to understand clearly. I would choose a name to let people know you are charitable organization that raises money for indigenous communities in North America. I don't speak Dutch, so you may have already done that in your own language, but the translation to English comes as something that can be understood in a large number of ways that have nothing to do with your efforts.
Thank you for coming to the board and explaining the situation more fully and I hope the discussion here will not hamper your efforts to do some good in the world. Your efforts would be much more effective with a better name however and rather than choosing something that's easier for your countrymen to understand, I would encourage you to use something that is simply more correct, that way your contributors would understand the truth about Native Americans more fully...that we are not all Lakota, and in fact, in North America your talking 500+ tribes that have individual cultures and languages that vary in beliefs and spiritual practices as well as needs.
Superdog
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Hello Superdog.
Thank you for your answer.
I know what you mean now about my name.
Yes you are right, I had to chose an other name for this forum but I tought, I take the same name as my association so they all will know who am I.....that's why the name and sorry, yes you are right abouth the name, it's a wrong name for this forum, my appoligize for it.
Yes Superdog, every little bit helps and all what we try to do is, supporting the Natives.
Only we chose the name "All Native Nations", because we will support all Natives, North and South American Natives that's why the new name "All Native Nations"
This discussie will not hamper our support to the Natives off course, all we want is supporting the Natives so we go on to helping them ;)
The only thing we want is to be removed from the spam list so we can go on to give our support to the Native people, that's all we ask.
Superdog I want to thank you for your gently reaction to me.
Wil van Herp
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Hi, I may be incorrect but I thought Superdog was stating about your association name. As a non-ndn I will say that find an association named "All Native Nations" I would presume that it is an association of Native peoples, that NA peoples were involved in and running the association as well. If I find that it isn't, I will think, oh. This is a fraud thing and walk away. That will defeat your purpose then. Right? So, a proper name for your association would be one that is proper to what and who you are. You are not Native or part of any Native Nation that I can see.
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Critter you're right. I wasn't talking about the name for the forum....I was talking about the name of the organization. Thanks for the clarification.
Wil, this is not a spam list. It's a discussion board and your organization falls under the category of "Research Needed" which means nothing more than people here would like to know more about your organization. The name "Lakota Sioux Nation of the Netherlands" when you all are not Lakota leads people who know better to think of you as fraudulent. The name "All Native Nations" is better, but it doesn't reflect your mission of support. The name only leads to more confusion.
If you'd truly like to be moved from the "Research Needed" category to the "Non Fraud" category on this board then I would suggest making the name change to your organization immediately and to stop soliciting donations under the name "Lakota Sioux Nation of the Netherlands." Otherwise you'll more than likely remain here. I'm not a moderator and I don't make those decisions, but having a little experience discussing things here you'll find that we run into individuals occasionally who just didn't know any better and the forum members here are usually very receptive to kindly relaying information and educating a little to remove all doubts of any type of fraud or scam. With your current name, doubt would still remain.
But as I've stated, I believe that because English is not your first language you seem to have a little trouble with the translation and in the future...when discussing English translations of the name of your board, you may wish to seek the advice of someone who speaks/reads both English and Dutch properly to avoid creating confusion in the future.
Superdog
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You're welcome Superdog, thank you too for your positief reaction.
Wil van Herp
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You're welcome Superdog, thank you too for your positief reaction.
Wil van Herp
Sorry added a little more in that last post, and you're welcome. We're not trying to be mean to you, just simply trying to get to the truth.
Superdog
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so i see, ;D
As Super says this is not a spam list it is only an area for research so that we might see
who and what you are. thank you for helping my people.
I hope you understand that so many come to steal, to take, to abuse
Our people so we have to be careful.
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Hi Wil,
As others have already said, I don't think anyone here is confused about your screen name. We are saying we do not think a group of non-Natives should call themselves "Lakota Sioux" OR "All Native Nations". Even if you mean well, the name is misleading and inappropriate, because you are not Indians; you are not Natives. Even if you are not trying to pretend to be something you are not, even if you are not trying to defraud anyone, simply using that name will lead people to believe you are dishonest. I am not saying you are a dishonest person, only that your using either of those names for your group gives people that impression. Do you understand?
Here is a discussion we had about a group/business/charity calling themselves "Lakota" when it was actually run by non-Indians: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2541.0 Maybe reading that will make it clearer.
I appreciate you taking the time to try to understand this.
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so i see, ;D
As Super says this is not a spam list it is only an area for research so that we might see
who and what you are. thank you for helping my people.
I hope you understand that so many come to steal, to take, to abuse
Our people so we have to be careful.
Hi earthw7.
I just like it off course that there is some control about some associations or foundations, so I really do understand it all that's why I have the evidence here publicly posted in the forum.
I do not blame anyone.
Thank you again for your reaction.
Wil
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Hi. I have another question.
You have given 506.00 I am wondering what you collected. I mean, if you collected
say, 5000.00 and gave 506 then you are only giving 10% to those you say you are collecting for.
Considering you are using Native Americans to collect money it would be interesting
to know how much you have collected?
I hope you understand I am not trying to be rude. Thank you.
How about from a Lakota/Dakota person
I see you claim to give money to Crow Creek-Dakota people.
I was wondering if you only worked with Pine Ridge? So of all
the 14 Lakota and Dakota reservation you help two one Lakota
and the other Dakota right.
You sent less that $300.00 to these two reservation
what was it for and who recieved the funds and why?
I have a right to ask since you are using my Nation name
I gave that answer earlier above.
We did make over a donation from $126,00 Euro to T.R.E.A.T.Y March 17 2009
$137.00 USD July 08 2009 to HRC's project
$136.00 USD December 14 2009 to HRC's project
and $107,00 USD to Can-do for the people at Crow Creek Januari 02 2010
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$506,00 USD
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Hi critter.
yes I do understand your question and I will send it off course but what I did ask the first time I wrote here in this forum, if I can receive the private mail address from the moderater I will send it this time because I do not write our private data here in this forum, hope you do understand me too, these are private data of the association and only our members have an insight into.
Hope you do understand this too.
And I will say, I only will send the private data to the moderator of this forum and that must be our evidence for you all, we are an association since januari 2009, what I will say with this, if you think about it then you must know that we can not have received many, many money (donations) from the people.
Okay, this is also the last time I'll answered a question because I did give an answer the main questions, I think, this must be enough.
Wil
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Critter you're right. I wasn't talking about the name for the forum....I was talking about the name of the organization. Thanks for the clarification.
Wil, this is not a spam list. It's a discussion board and your organization falls under the category of "Research Needed" which means nothing more than people here would like to know more about your organization. The name "Lakota Sioux Nation of the Netherlands" when you all are not Lakota leads people who know better to think of you as fraudulent. The name "All Native Nations" is better, but it doesn't reflect your mission of support. The name only leads to more confusion.
If you'd truly like to be moved from the "Research Needed" category to the "Non Fraud" category on this board then I would suggest making the name change to your organization immediately and to stop soliciting donations under the name "Lakota Sioux Nation of the Netherlands." Otherwise you'll more than likely remain here. I'm not a moderator and I don't make those decisions, but having a little experience discussing things here you'll find that we run into individuals occasionally who just didn't know any better and the forum members here are usually very receptive to kindly relaying information and educating a little to remove all doubts of any type of fraud or scam. With your current name, doubt would still remain.
But as I've stated, I believe that because English is not your first language you seem to have a little trouble with the translation and in the future...when discussing English translations of the name of your board, you may wish to seek the advice of someone who speaks/reads both English and Dutch properly to avoid creating confusion in the future.
Superdog
Hi Superdog.
I did change our name of our association because, we support all Natives now not only the North Amirecan Natives but also the South American Natives that's why we have change the name of our association in "All Native Nations" and most of the people knows what the name means now, knows that we are NOT Natives but that we support the Natives.
The new name cost us....new business cards, leaflets, and that cost money you know, if we have to change again our name than it cost more money, all that money we can give to the Natives who need help.
I´ll send the private data to the moderator and that must say more then I can say that we, our assocation, are NOT spammers but that we are a fair association.
Wil
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Netherlands must be much different than the USA because here in the USA any
association non-profit or not a person can find their financial statements, they are
not private.
Personally, I do not trust non-profit and/or charity type associations that do NOT
provide their financial info publicly. Even Red Cross any person can look up and
find their financial information.
Also, on Aug 27, 3 days ago, you stated in this forum in this thread, that you will
be changing the name to All Nations "soon". You are saying in three days you have
changed all your leaflets and cards? That's pretty quick also considering it is weekend,
Perhaps a call to the printer can stop the presses until you find a more proper and less
misleading name?
EDIT: I just wanted to say to you Wil, that I am not against what you purport to
be doing. I am happy some monies have been sent and not trying to diminish that.
I'm just concerned as I've seen foundations that the founders live off the donations,
while giving just a bit to the cause..
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Critter I really do understand you and no we have not the new cards and leaflets yet, we did change the name but we have to wait for the approval, I think we get it this week official, sorry for misunderstanding but what I wrote previously, my English is bad, sorry.
I really do understand you and you all that you do not trust any foundation or association I really understand it critter and I can say you that we hate such a foundation and associations too and that's why I appreciate what you do and that you examine the associations and foundations, yes even me therefore I will post my data here now ok?
I will prove you all that I am really fair and that I don't take any penny for myself.
Give me the time to post it here in this forum so that everyone can read it ok?
I do it in between because tomorrow I have a little operation and this Wednesday is my boyfriend's birthday and this Thursday I have to go to the hospital again for my rehabilitation so I'll do it in between, but so soon as possible, I promise you.
You can read it before this weekend okay?
I really hope that this will be the last prove that I have to make to you all in this forum and please I really hope that you will believe me then because all what we want to do is helping the Natives.
Wil
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Ok.
Best wishes on your operation.
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Wil, it's not about financial accountabililty only, though that is always an issue with charities. There really is a problem with the name you have chosen. It's really not appropriate for a group of Dutch people to call themselves ""All Native Nations".
what we want to do is helping the Natives.
Well, I think it's up to Native people to say whether or not you're helping.
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Heads up, Wil. One of the groups you recommend on your links page (http://www.lakotasiouxindians.1hwy.com/favorite_links.html), the Cosmic Fire Foundation (http://www.cosmicfirefoundation.nl/en-index.html), has a forum (http://anne.messageboard.nl/20213/index.php). Notorious fraud William Jervis (http://=http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=948.0) seems to have free reign there, posting things like this:
http://anne.messageboard.nl/20213/viewtopic.php?t=357
firewalkerspeaks
Geregistreerd op: 1-12-2008
Berichten: 5
Ma dec 01, 2008 22:02 new age fraud web site
new age fraud
www.newagefraud.org
is nonething more then a bunch of people useing the internet to run down the names of good american indians
they pick a american indian and list them as a fraud or a fake
and keep doing it
they have no facts if a american indian comes to europe and helps
someone sick in europe then that american indian is listed as a fake
by this new age fraud web bunch
they never every meet firewalker a native american indian
in europe who well repected with his people and in europe
but the run alot of rummors on this american indian
and other american indians in europe that our not at all true
so i ask you
please tell these new age fraud people to shut up
unless they can prove something
firewalker a cherokee and cant tell a lakota how he pratice his medicine
there way over 500 indian tribes
and they all have there own medicine ways and culture
and a hand full of people our telling lies and speading untrue
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Crow's World Speaks
Geregistreerd op: 14-12-2006
Berichten: 282
Woonplaats: The Netherlands
Ma dec 01, 2008 22:24 Re: new age fraud web site
Thank you for adding the link and making
us aware of these false energies of people
stealing the talents that are not true to them.
More Jervis posts: http://anne.messageboard.nl/20213/search.php?search_author=firewalkerspeaks
Do you still recommend "Cosmic Fire Foundation"?
Attached are some photos of William Jervis, aka "firewalkerspeaks"
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Ok.
Best wishes on your operation.
Thank you critter
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Do you still recommend "Cosmic Fire Foundation"?
Attached are some photos of William Jervis, aka "firewalkerspeaks"
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NO I do not recommend "Cosmic Fire Foundation" anymore I did hear bad things about them so I stopped any contact with them and certainly no more donations to Cosmic Fire Foundation.
And yes I saw the link was still on the site, I've removed the link.
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Wil, it's not about financial accountabililty only, though that is always an issue with charities. There really is a problem with the name you have chosen. It's really not appropriate for a group of Dutch people to call themselves ""All Native Nations".
what we want to do is helping the Natives.
Well, I think it's up to Native people to say whether or not you're helping.
Then I think that I stop with my association, We were never comment on Natives and the donations go where we send are only grateful that we can help now you say "There really is a problem with the name you have chosen. It's really not appropriate for a group of Dutch people to call themselves ""All Native Nations" and "Well, I think it's up to Native people to say whether or not you're helping"
We think about to stop our association to help the Natives because it is not fun anymore for us to work for the Natives to support them.
Not for the Natives but all what you say here.
I think that I toss the towel into the ring, I put in my way for the Natives, but this is really not fun anymore.
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Gosh. Well. That's it then. That's how much you believe in what you are doing.
This is not adversity here. Not unless you choose it to be.
There is another option, that of embracing the group here and learning about the people you are
trying to represent. If you do not understand what is being said to you, I'm sure there are some
here who are willing to help you understand why the name is not really all that appropriate and
how you could change it around, even by simply adding one or two words to it.
If you actually cared about the people you are trying to help, then maybe there would be some
enthusiasm on being here and meeting Native Americans who can help you understand their position and help
in educating other people.. namely.. those who would be donating to you.
No matter what you do in life, someone will probably question it. But don't put the blame of closing
your organization on those who have asked questions. If you not able to account for your group,
then it's probably best.
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Goodmorning critter.
No I don't give up, I wrote I think I toss the towel into the ring.
It was very late or better early last evening and I was very tired of this discussion, I was angry too because Kathryn comes every time with something else.
That's why I wrote, I think I toss the towel into the ring and I am currious what she has to say now.
First it was the money, now it is the name so I think I'll never will do well according to some people here.
Do you know association R.I.N (Real Indian Nation)?
Do you know the Lakota Doundation?
Dutch association and Foundation with Native names but all to support the Natives so what is wrong with our name.
Everyone knows that we are a support group, all what we can do is to change the name in......Support Group All Native Nations.
We keep All Native Nations because we do support North and South American Natives now
I have to go to the hospital now, it's 10 am now here and I have my operation at 1 pm my time, maybe I'll come back in this forum later this day or tomorrow.
About some weeks, we'll removed the website Lakota SIoux Indians because we are not the association Lakota SIoux Indians anymore, we are association All Native Nations now.
Wil
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I've met Wil once, in Apeldoorn (the Netherlands).
That was the same day i met Michael Redsky and an elder whoes name i don't recall right now.
Wil was there behind a booth and i talked a little with her.
Actually i listened while she was explaining what she was trying to do.
She struck me as a passioned woman, who genuinly cares for what is happening to the NA.
Later on we all listened to the elder talking about his people and telling stories of his tribe.
My English is as good as my Dutch, so any translation that is needed from Dutch to English i will gladly provide to the best of my abilities.
The word "stichting" in the Netherlands stands for a non-profit-organisation.
so a "stichting" can never have the intention of making a profit.
A "stichting" does not have to pay taxes on the gifts they make.
Many blessings,
Wayne