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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Niiki on February 25, 2009, 05:12:00 am
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Sego;
It has come to our attention that this man Tecumseh Brown Eagle, aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, & James Oliver Johnson 111, is not who he says he is.
His genealogy that he has been passing around is not own, but is someone else's that is known by certain leaders at the Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory.
He also been making erroneous statements to government officials about the Six Nations Confederacy and their treaties that have caused great harm to their land issues. We have suspicion that this man isn't even a Cherokee as he claims. Please verify with us, if you know of this man, or can verify that he is Cherokee. Since he is not James Oliver Johnson 111, the attached genealogy is not his.His real name is Abdul Abdullah Mohammed.
He claims to be a Chief of Erie Indian Moundbuilders, who by the way do not have a listed telephone number or address through 411.com. The telephone number that he lists on his website is a cell phone. This leads to more of our suspicion about this man that he has something to hide.
Please advice us of your findings.
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I think Mo is being kind about TBE. If TBE claims to be Erie, why give yourself the name of the most famous Shawnee chief? His geneology chart also claims he has a CHEROKEE ancestor on the Dawes Roll, though that could be Cherokee Freedman. So why go around claiming to be Erie? Why not just enroll in the Cherokee Nation? (Pretty obvious: this way he gets to play at being an Indian Chief.) Why call yourself mound builders when they were a people once spread over what is now the eastern half of the US, not this one tribe? Most of what we know about the mound builders points to them either coming from, or at least being very much influenced by, NDNs of central Mexico.
TBE is on a UFO/paranormal site.
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/pastshows-7-06.html
Also on a motivational speakers radio show to talk about "ancient codes and secrets."
The "tribal" website has a lot of bizarre links to sites about "ancient mysteries," the "secret language of Atlantis revealed" and one link the site of a now deceased New Age fraud, Robert Franzone (Ghostwolf). Do a search of our site, Franzone was pretty notorious, and yet this "tribe" links to him.
Why does his "tribal" website have outdated archeology accounts rather than Erie traditions for their origin story? He knows so little about NDN traditions he supports the Bering Strait Theory.
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/erie%5Findian%5Fhistory/
Then after a long, looooong recitation of the BST, he finally describes the EMB.
"The EIMTN is the direct descendant of Mississippi Valley Erie-Mound Builders Indians, who called themselves hErie, Alliwegis, sometimes called Talliwegis.
As soon as we assert we were the hErie-Alliwegis, others usually say we are related to the Iroquois Nations because that’s the way they heard it. But the Iroquois in the 5 Nation ,now 6 Nation Confederacy are uniquely different from the Alliwegis, who were from the Mississippi Valley Erie-Mound Builders Culture. We also are uniquely different from the Iroquois 5 Nations. We mainly are the Eries, the Erie-Neutral Nation and Erie-Sussquehannocks to name only a few of the 70 plus names we were given or called."
Most of the rest is extremely detailed to hide just how little they know or say about actual Erie history. For example, the Erie were nowhere near the Mississippi Valley. They lived around modern day Erie PA. The accounts I saw said they were no further south than Virginia, no further west than the start of the Ohio River.
Isn't there another group calling themselves Susquehannocks, whose "chief" mostly does ceremony selling in Europe, that Trish exposed? If I remember right, the Susquehannocks were wiped out in the 1730s or so.
A more accurate site on Erie history.
http://www.dickshovel.com/erie.html
"It took the Seneca, Cayuga, and Onondaga until 1656 before the Erie were defeated. Many survivors were incorporated into the Seneca to replace their losses in the war, and the Erie ceased to exist as a separate tribe. The Erie, however, did not entirely disappear at this time....Some of the Erie, Neutrals, Tionontati, and Huron escaped...the last group of Erie (southern Pennsylvania) did not surrender to the Iroquois until 1680. Where they had been hiding during the intervening 24 years is a mystery.
In 1656 an unknown tribe fleeing the Iroquois entered the Virginia Piedmont and settled near the falls of the James River (Richmond). They built a large, fortified village and terrorized the local Powhatan tribes who called them the Ricahecrian. A combined English and Powhatan army went out to expel these intruders but was soundly defeated....it is very possible they were Erie. Where did the Ricahecrian go afterwards? No answers...just possibilities....
Of course, they could just as easily gone north, or the Ricahecrian may not have been Erie in the first place. Other than the final Erie surrender in 1680, only one other identifiable mention occurred after 1656. In 1662 the Susquehannock told the Dutch they expected 800 Honniasont warriors to join them in their war with the Iroquois. Honniasont is a Iroquian word meaning "wearing something around the neck" and refers to the Black Mingua habit of wearing a black badge on their chests. The Honniasont (Black Mingua) are believed to have been a division of the Erie that lived around the upper Ohio River in western Pennsylvania....they were gone by 1679. Many of the descendents of the Erie that were adopted by the Seneca began leaving the Iroquois homeland during the 1720s and returned to Ohio. Known as the Mingo (Ohio Iroquois), they were removed to the Indian Territory during the 1840s. It is very likely that many of the Seneca in Oklahoma today have Erie ancestors."
So from what we know the Erie have been gone since the 1680s.
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I recently came across a PDF of a court action which gave his name as Abdul Abdullah Mohammed. He's apparently legally changed it to TBE. It seems to be an insurance matter.
Mohammed, A
602 W 3rd St
Erie, PA 16507-1115
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Forgive me for going off on a tangent here - but ...
This gentleman has a serious lack of knowledge of United States Indian Law, land claims protocols and law, the court system or international law, especially the World Court in Den Haag. It seems that he has been reading some fictional accounts of indigenous issues and Indian land claims issues. So for a number of reasons there is NO, I repeat NO way he can lay claim to any land or initiate any land repatriation suit for anyone.
First of all, because the Erie were no longer viable when the US government was created, they have no way to even apply for recognition at this time. The recent (yesterday) decision of the US Supreme Court in docket #07-526 - Carcueri V Sec, of Interior – the Supreme Court ruled that unless his nation (tribe) was fully recognized by the US federal government prior to IRA (of 1934) he and his followers can not make any land claims to any lands found within the continental US, nor can he attempt to purchase and place into trust any lands gained by any method. He will find an even less supportive government in Canada if he wants to try up there too.
This was a devastating decision to the Wampanoag who have a legitimate land claim and it really ticks my buttons when someone like this tries to manipulate the system. It just hurts legitimate communities that are trying to reclaim treaty lands.
As to the 1994 U.N. Declaration on Indigenous People, he’d better go back and re-read the declaration as it was ratified. It does not give his group any rights what so ever. In fact in the statement - Recognizing also the urgent need to respect and promote the rights of indigenous peoples affirmed in treaties, agreements and other constructive arrangements with States the declaration clearly states that first and foremost a group must be recognized by the nation-state they are located within. Also - Considering that the rights affirmed in treaties, agreements and other constructive arrangements between States and indigenous peoples are, in some situations, matters of international concern, interest, responsibility and character, Considering also that treaties, agreements and other constructive arrangements, and the relationship they represent, are the basis for a strengthened partnership between indigenous peoples and States. Again it states that you have to have some prior relationship. But the real kicker is in Article 46 where they pretty much state that while indigenous peoples have various rights, the US will not step in and interfere between the nation-sate and indigenous group.
1. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, people, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act contrary to the Charter of the United Nations or construed as authorizing or encouraging any action which would dismember or impair, totally or in part, the territorial integrity or political unity of sovereign and independent States.
This is also why the World Court and International Court of Appeals would not hear their case. It will not interfere in cases of declarations of independence from a member state, and will not accept any case that has not proceeded through the National court system and the North American Court of Appeals. I’ve been working with a legitimate treaty group in Canada that have been refused a hearing on this very issue.
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Oh and as a PS - when did he say he was in Louise's living room? Because I heard she was at her home in Browning Montana just last week and was scheduled for a fund raiser in the area just before that. I wasn't there to verify, but I will check with folks I know up there.
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Kosowith;
That was an old post from the year 2007. So it was a couple of years ago that he was in her living room.
Niiki
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I guess I will have to give her a call later and see if she remembers him.
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Niawen gowa Kosowith for your previous post. He has tried to muscle his way around on this side of imaginary line. Unfortunately for one of our elders at Tyendinaga recognized whose geneology he has been using for himself. It happened to be someone who is living here and is known here.
He certainly tried to pull the wool over a number of our people up including some of our chiefs and clanmothers at Six Nations. Now we know who he is. Abdul Abdulla Mohammed
Oneh
Niiki
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As far as the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation go, Abdul has yet to prove to the Six Nations and many other municipalities in Ontario who they really are. As the majority of his membership are people who have no lineal descent in being Erie nor can they prove it. Many people within Six Nations and the Seneca-Cayuga of Oklahoma have more lineal descent of Erie blood in their family trees than does Abdul ( TBE) himself or his band of misfits!! Most of his followers are Shriners , as he himself refers to himself as Minister Tecumseh Brown Eagle. Minister of what? A Black Muslim Cult that masks itself as the EIMTN.
Niawen
Oneh
Niiki
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Where do you start with him? He's been causing problems for years for the Six Nations.
Mangled history and law and archaeology.
Here's him sponsored by dowsers, the people who find water with them old magic sticks, alongside harmonic convergence, crop circles, detox, clairvoyance classes, and the like.
Nuttiest lies are in bold.
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http://www.dowsers.info/toronto/jan2008.htm
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chief, Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation; Erie, Pennsylvania....
The presence of Chief Tecumseh was a very important part of the proceedings and he gave a presentation rich in etymology and long ago history, starting with a description of the "Aryans" who were actually ancient Sumerians, who travelled by land -- pre dynastic kings and queens. Later on, the German nobility adopted this term for their own use....
Tecumseh's presentation helped to turn "facts", "history", preconceptions and much of our prevailing world view topsy turvy upside down. Tecumseh has the appearance of a black man with negroid features. Yet he has no African American blood in him whatsoever. The European royals married into his family in the 1590's. His colleague looks like Marilyn Dennis. And she is Algonquin.
Tecumseh, a Shriner, a Mason of the 32nd degree (Sublime Prince of the Royal Select) told us: about the real meaning of the word "America", Britain a colony of Egypt, the Egyptian origins of Missouri Tennessee and Kentucky...
He spoke about the the evolution of the very strong and largely unknown CAT influence, e.g. yuCATan, CAThay, CAThar (leading to Khazars, Czars, CATholic), (C)AThens; which includes our concepts concerning the color Black, i.e., the Black Cat is the symbol of BAST, the unknown....
Did Blacks come from Africa to the Americas? Or was it the other way around? Tecumseh has knowledge of the migrations of different groups, talked about the Bering Sea bridge, Pangea, going to and from the Americas, Africa, etc.
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Just like with the Washitaws and Nuwaubians, the amount of self hatred of their own Black heritage astounds me. Along with denying the whole history of slavery.
Apparently he's been causing a lot of trouble at Wikipedia.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CJLippert/archive/2008
Heads Up
(Just posted this to the talk pages of a few Iroquoian and related articles in the Toronto region)
"In my opinion those editors who are interested in contributing to articles regarding historical Iroquoian/Mississauga cultural matters in the Toronto region in general, may be interested in reading the following.[2] A quick Internet search [Nexus news is best] and connected interests, indicates to me that many of the (in my opinion) "questionable" editing choices in Toronto regional historical native articles, over the past while, reflect a theoretical bias toward the ideas of a U.S. based group who call themselves the "Erie Moundbuilders Tribal Nation". Those of you who have edited articles in the recent past on these subjects will probably quickly recognize this group. (see news story link above and past versions and discussion pages of Neutral Nation and Erie nation articles.)" regards Deconstructhis (talk) 00:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. CJLippert (talk) 02:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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I absolutely doubt that he is part of any Shriner group. I've know a number of Masons and Shriners, (my best friend in high school had many, many operations that her family could not afford thanks to the Shriner and a Shriner hospital) I dont' think the Sublime Prince title even exists with them and from what I've been told he would be instantly thrown out for the things he says and does.
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Educatedindian;
I think you should should leave Mr. Redwolf's name out of this. As he has denounced having any assocation with Abdul because of TBE lack of cooperation with the Six Nations Confederacy. As far as Wikipedia goes, they do post some things that are questionable, because the the things that are posted there, are posted by ordinary people, not neccessarily factual information, and if anyone's opinion's do not match that of Wiikipedia's ideals, then they will get trashed. Being from Tyendinaga, I find that Wiikipedia's sources sometimes are anti-Iroquoian, and pro-Algonquian, and do not allow for others to post things that are actual truthful. As for example, in Wiikipedia, someone posted, on the Taiaiagon webpage, that the reason why Baby Point got it's name was because of a Fort Baby being there. There was never a Fort located there called Fort Baby, and it is not how Baby Point got it's name. The Point was called Baby Point, because James Baby, purchased the land in the 1800's and settled nearby the Point. There was a small garrison located there from 1720-1730, called Magison Royale. After that there was never another fort or garrison located at the old village of Taiaiagon, and there is no archaeological proof that the Mississaugas ever lived there. They did have a village located on the west side of the Humber in 1787, according to Mapping done by Percy Robinson, in the "Toronto During the French Regime" which Wiikipedia fails to reference, in its sources on Toronto, the Humber River, Taiaiagon, and etc. So get your facts straight!!!
I will strongly suggest, that you leave Mr. Redwolf's name out of this as he is not associated with TBE or the EIMTN anymore. I will let him him know that you have associated his name with the Tecumseh's bullcrap, and he will decide whether or not take further action for slander.
Oneh
Nikki, from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Sego;
Mr. Redwolf is no longer associated with TBE. Any referance to his name be used with TBE's will be considered slander and legal action may follow if these posts with his name are not removed immedaitely.
Oneh!
Niiki from Tyendinaga
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I'm not really in this topic, but I just wanted to comment on the slander part....
I just don't see it. I can accept that Redwolf has broke away from TBE (from what I've read here), but why would associating the two be grounds for slander?? They were associated right? Seems more like just discussion on these two's recent past history. I fail to see the slander and the need for a threat of legal action.
Superdog
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See it because it's happening unless it's removed
Niiki
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And your discussion is based on internet slander from other sources, who will also be dealt with in a court of law soon!!
Anyone who participates in this internet slander will be held accountable for the continued desecration and illegal alterations of sacred sites, unless his name is removed from this discussion. You need to stick to topic and not bring other peoples names into this who have no association with TBE. As a matter a fact of there has never been any illegal archaeological activities performed at the sites mentioned, so therefore the sources that you site are not founded in truth!! Which is also considered defamatory and slanderous in a court of law.
So I am wondering about his-tory of these 2 men, and how accurate your sources are, as there is no truthful evidence to back them up!!
Gottchya!! We have forwarded these posts off to the lawyers!!
Niiki
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This is so confusing ??? ??? ???
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I agree!! I find this whole new thread about Mr. Red Wolf and the threat of a law suit very confusing. I somehow have missed where he was even mentioned or where he or anyone else requested his name be removed from discussion because information presented about him was incorrect. Generally when some one posts good, correcting documentation it is acted upon immediately. So I remain confused as to why the threats.
Also as a legal clarification - Slander is a type of defamation or purposeful untruthful that is an oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because slander is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. If the statement is made via broadcast media -- for example, over the radio or on TV -- it is considered libel, rather than slander, because the statement has the potential to reach a wider audience.
Settlement of either litigation ultimately rests upon the interpretation of intent to do harm, justification for statement – such as prior history of both plaintive and defendant, and degree to which statements were incorrect and damages proven to have been done. Most civil attorneys will tell you that the court costs and associated fees and invasion into a persons associations and history make it much more rational to try to resolve with negotiation. Again it is all about intent to harm. Questions are seldom if ever proven to be either slanderuor or libelous.
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Confused is not the word Kosowith, I edited the name, probably why you do not see it anylonger. I had 3 reports to edit the name and a deadline was given of 3 hours Canada time. I not sure what is going on. But I do think we need clarification as to what are the motives behind this.
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Frederica, under whose authority is giving these deadlines and threats? If you don't mind me asking Something is fishy and definately wrong. Bizaar.
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I absolutely doubt that he is part of any Shriner group. I've know a number of Masons and Shriners, (my best friend in high school had many, many operations that her family could not afford thanks to the Shriner and a Shriner hospital) I dont' think the Sublime Prince title even exists with them and from what I've been told he would be instantly thrown out for the things he says and does.
As far as doubts concerning whether or not TBE is a part of a shriner group, he had made statements to us that he is a part of the Masonic Temple, which the Shriners are also a part of. Masons=Shriners.
Niiki
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Masons=Shriners
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While yes you need to be a Master Mason to be a Shriner not all masons are Shriners. The don't equal eack other.
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Masons=Shriners
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While yes you need to be a Master Mason to be a Shriner not all masons are Shriners. The don't equal eack other.
He also been seen by others as participating in shriner activities so he must be a Master Mason according to your information
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Frederica, under whose authority is giving these deadlines and threats? If you don't mind me asking Something is fishy and definately wrong. Bizaar.
It is seen by our people as an aggression towards our people and is being taken quite seriously, because of the libel and slanderous activities, which only aids and abets our sites from being protected and preserved. End result is continual desicration and illegal alterations, which carries a fine of $1,000,000.00 in Ontario per offense.
Niiki
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Okay... A member came and asked a question and now that same member is threatening us all with a lawsuit for mentioning something that she did as well "I will strongly suggest, that you leave Mr. Redwolf's name out of this as he is not associated with TBE or the EIMTN anymore." (emphasis mine)
Naw, that's not confusing.
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Okay... A member came and asked a question and now that same member is threatening us all with a lawsuit for mentioning something that she did as well "I will strongly suggest, that you leave Mr. Redwolf's name out of this as he is not associated with TBE or the EIMTN anymore." (emphasis mine)
Naw, that's not confusing.
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No that's not confusing... no rocket science!!!
Niiki from Tynedinaga Mohawk territory
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I guess I need to ask why put the post here
and what do you want us to do
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Hi Nikki, I agree with earthw7, what exactly are you trying to accomplish with these posting? I quit reading them after the second posting because your writing is so disjointed and convoluted. I'm sorry but you don't make any sense, at least not to me.
Lim Lemtsh
Diana
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Well I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling with reading these rants. Jeez. Niiki are you trying to go for the gold looking for some scewed compenation? Say a MILLION dollars worth according to your canadian law.
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Actually, this was a retired thread. It was requested to be retired a few months ago by the orginal poster. I am not sure who retreived the thread but it was reposted by Niiki and according to Niiki they have an investigation of TBE ongoing. I have contacted the person who requested that it be retired as to his opinion of what need to be done with this, according to his agreement. I am still waiting on a response from him.
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It's all very weird....
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Some of the original post were reused without permission, so they were removed after confirmation from poster. It was a retired thread.
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Let me see if I am getting this thread and information all correct
1st Niiki asks about Tecumseh Brown-Eagle (real Name James Johnson)
Says she has been in contact with him for about 5 years and list a number of really outrageous things he claims from owning NMAI to being a CIA protectorate.
Next there are lots of what seem to be edited exchanges – so I have no idea what most of that was about. Other than Niiki’s concerns about being sued ie: - “on what grounds could he Sue Me?”
Then we find out that “his name is changed to Abdul Abdullah Mohammed. He's apparently legally changed it to TBE. It seems to be an insurance matter” (this makes no sense and sounds like fraud)
Next – there is this vague comment -
Niiki - Unfortunately for one of our elders at Tyendinaga recognized whose geneology he has been using for himself. It happened to be someone who is living here and is known here. I don’t know why this is unfortunately for the elder? Or why identity theft charges were not filed.
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Niiki - Most of his followers are Shriners , as he himself refers to himself as Minister Tecumseh Brown Eagle. Minister of what?
The title “Minister” has nothing to do with Shriners. Unfortunately a lot of people have fed into the fantasy books about the Shriners and Mason the same way they make up fake ceremonies and traditions for Indians. It is a secret organization, so it must be evil.
Again - Tecumseh, a Shriner, a Mason of the 32nd degree (Sublime Prince of the Royal Select)
I talked to a former colleague today who is a Mason and he say NONE of this is real. It does not matter what he calls himself – these names and titles are not used in this way and are not part of the real Masons or shriners. I believe he is going to make recommendations that someone in the Masonic organization do a through check out these claims and the claims made here.
Then the threats begin – I believe now do to exchanges that the rest of us are not aware of. So it seems these should have been left in private conversation also.
Niiki - I will strongly suggest, that you leave Mr. Redwolf's name out of this as he is not associated with TBE or the EIMTN anymore. I will let him him know that you have associated his name with the Tecumseh's bullcrap, and he will decide whether or not take further action for slander.
All this does is make me really curious about what would cause an outburst like this and what is going on behind the scenes.
Niiki - And your discussion is based on internet slander from other sources, who will also be dealt with in a court of law soon!! Anyone who participates in this internet slander will be held accountable for the continued desecration and illegal alterations of sacred sites, unless his name is removed from this discussion. You need to stick to topic and not bring other peoples names into this who have no association with TBE. As a matter a fact of there has never been any illegal archaeological activities performed at the sites mentioned, so therefore the sources that you site are not founded in truth!! Which is also considered defamatory and slanderous in a court of law. So I am wondering about his-tory of these 2 men, and how accurate your sources are, as there is no truthful evidence to back them up!!
Gottchya!! We have forwarded these posts off to the lawyers!!
Ok – I’m just getting more confused – for instance the first sentence - WHAT does Anyone who participates in this internet slander (and slander is still the wrong legal term) have to do with, “will be held accountable for the continued desecration and illegal alterations of sacred sites” and how does unless his name is removed from this discussion refer back to the rest of the sentence.
Which is also considered defamatory and slanderous in a court of law - If there is an attorney out there that is telling you this, you really should seek other council. Perhaps the persons of the first act, the creator and posters of the site could be accused of libel – but not the person who cites them. They are only showing what the person of the first part has said/posted.
Next – Niiki - As far as doubts concerning whether or not TBE is a part of a shriner group, he had made statements to us that he is a part of the Masonic Temple, which the Shriners are also a part of. Masons=Shriners.
No – Masons do not equal Shriners and why do you consider this statement accurate when you are saying that every thing else he says is a lie. He also made statement that he owns NMAI which is an out right lie.
Niiki - He also been seen by others as participating in shriner activities so he must be a Master Mason according to your information
Have you seen him? And Has anyone who is a Shriner acknowledged that he is a member in good standing? They do let others work with them on some projects. It would seem that you are prejudiced against a group you know nothing about and are very close to a libellous act, like that which you threatened to send people from this group to court over.
Niiki - It is seen by our people as an aggression towards our people and is being taken quite seriously, because of the libel and slanderous activities, which only aids and abets our sites from being protected and preserved. End result is continual desicration and illegal alterations, which carries a fine of $1,000,000.00 in Ontario per offense.
What is an aggression towards your people? How does libel or slander prevent your sacred sites from being protected. What words are desecrating or altering your sites? How is that done? I’ve been searching on the Canadian Legal statutes and can not find any million dollar statues that would cover this. Would you please forward the statue citing so I can see what we are talking about here.
Beyond that – Niiki opened this thread and I personally think it is time to close it – it has begun to have the feeling of someone who is just trying to set the group up.
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I am the original poster of this subject and I have asked the administrators to delete this thread again.
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Kosowith, that was outstanding. I agree sounds like a setup with a little hint of prejudice in there about masons. I agree this thread should be either deleted or locked unless anyone differs.
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I lock it until Al sees it.
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No, there has been nothing even remotely close to "slander" done here. Niiki does not know the law, but has issued a series of threats based on nothing, saying basically "You have three hours to delete anything I don't like OR ELSE..." Sheesh, who are you kidding Niiki? No judge in the world works that fast. You just make yourself look silly.
I've asked Niiki to send any statement or post any link where David Redeagle says he either is no longer associated with the Erie Moundbuilders, or never was to begin with. Niiki claims the online sources saying he was once associated are libelous. (Actually she's says "slanderous" which only shows she doesn't know the law.) My suggestion is that she take that up with those sources, namely a conservation board near Toronto and Wikipedia editors. Wikipedia is notoriously nervous about threats of lawsuits, so it shouldn't take much to ge them to listen.
The original poster of another thread asked they be deleted. Once again, I say to NY1, you can delete your original posts. Don't expect us to do it for you. I've also told you before that Johnson/Browneagle/Mohammed's threats are pure bluff. After all, he spends half his time making crazy claims about the CIA and the UN, among other things. But I can't blame NY1 for not wanting to waste time in court, even (maybe especially) if it is because of complete nonsense coming from a loon.
Again, we have two separate sides in this, Niiki and Johnson/Browneagle/Mohammed, each not knowing the law and doing a lot of bluffing and making threats and demands to try to scare some people.
That Niiki actually is on the right side in this case doesn't change the fact that her tactics were not only wrong, not only threatening people whose help she asked for, they were not even based in reality or an understanding of the law.
I say we keep the thread locked until Niiki provides that statement we asked for. People who wish their posts deleted can do so. But there has not been anything vaguely close to "slander" done here, and nothing more will be deleted by mods, unless someone has technical reasons they can't do it themselves.
And slander is spoken, not written. It also has nothing to do with the laws on sacred sites. Try to know the law before you bluff about using it, Niiki. You only damage your own cause and alienate people who, before, were on your side. Heck, I still agree with your cause, just don't like the way you go about it.
Naturally anyone disagreeing is free to write me. I'm sure I'll hear from a few of you...
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The latest tempter tantrum from Niiki. Thought it worth posting so all can see her character.
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You are to leave Mr. Redwolf out of this, do I make myself clear!! Otherwise you will be hearing from his lawyer!!
Along with his chief! And you will not want that! I warn you!
We Mohawks at Tyendinaga do not take kindly to people like yourself who try drag people like Mr. Redwolf through the mud who has worked tirelessly voluntarily and with out any compensation for our Confederacy for many years. You touch his name any more and there will be hell to pay! Got it!!
Oneh!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
ps . Don't mess with us Mohawks!!
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Once again, Niiki, send us a statement from him and take your case to the ones you claim are "slandering" him, not with other NDNs who tried to help you.
That you have so far ignored my request, sent to you twice now, and instead chose more threats, does not speak well of you. The fact remains that several sites have him listed as the liason for Erie Moundbuilders, including what seems to be posts put out by Redwolf himself. If the posts are phony or libelous, or if he no longer is a part of the Eries, all that's necessary to prove that is a simple statement from him or anything he's ever said in public about the matter.
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This is the second posting of this statement from Mr. David Redwolf. Sent by Niiki at 10:27 PM on 3/2/09. Nya:wen Sge:no; Because of the most recent libellous and slanderous comments made on the wev in regard to my association with TBE and the Eric Indian Moundbuilders, TBE's unwillingness to work within the process of the Six Nation Confederacy, which has also caused a lack of trust among our Confederacy leaders, and due to most recent information that TBE has communicated to various Government Officials in Ontario, and including nuclear power plant officals such as: 1.) That the Six Nations have no land rights within the Haldimand Tract. 2.) That the Six Nations have no land base outside the Haldimand Tract because they received that in exchange for all of the land base including that of the 1701 Treaty Area. 3.) Not to listen to or include the Six Nations Confederacy because it would take until 2025 to resolve the issue with the Nuclear Power Plant site. 4.) That the Mississauga's had some sort of say over cultural sites not necessarily their own. 5.) That the Erie could allow their ancestors to be moved to another location such as the Mounds in Toronto. 6.) That the Six Nations already had a repatriation committee in place and we should involve them. 7.)That everyone in the area is supportive of the nuclear power project. I, Rastia'ta'non:ha, David Redwolf, have to decline my support of Tecumseh Brown Eagle aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, James Oliver Johnson III and the Erie Indian Moundbuilders. It has also been brought to our attention that EIMTN itself is not and cannot become a federally recognized Indigenous nation in the U.S. where they reside and is also not qualified to receive cultural rights where they reside under the UN Indigenous Peoples' Resolution as a stipulation states that whould have had to been recognized before 1934 by the U.S. as an Indigenous Community, as they are not. Therefore TBE nor the EIMTN has any guarantueed cultural rights under the Indigenous Peoples Resolution here in Canada as well. Although the Erie/Neutral people are the original caretakers of the land throughout the Niagara Peninsula including 300 miles from the west bank of the Genesee River to the Detriot River in Southern Ontario, the recognized communities that whom have cultural rights are people ancestrally connected to the Eric/Neutrals and are found within the Six Nations Confederacy communities , as well as within the Seneca-Cayuga of Oklahoma. These communities have been in place since fefore 1934 and are recognized by both the U.S. and Canadian governments. My name shall no longer be associated with Tecumseh Brown Eagle aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, James Oliver Johnson III, and the Eric Indian Moundbuilders. I will continue to work through our designated Six Nation Confederacy officals as I have before, which has remained unchanged throughout this time and moving forward into the future in regard to our sacred site protection and preservation. This is official notification of my resignation of support of Tecumseh Brown Eagle aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, & James Oliver Johnson III and the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation. Niawen skenon! Oneh! Rastia'ta'non:ha/David Redwolf Director Taiaiako'n Historical Preservation Services
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And this was also sent by Niiki. http://www.burlingtonnews.net/speaker-tecumseh.html
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It has come to our attention that Tecumseh's request for recognition by the Six Nations Confederacy Council has been refused since it never passed through the Seneca Fire at Tonawanda.
Therefore since the traditional government of the Six Nations doesn't recognize him or EIMTN, nor does the US or Canadian governments, nor does any provision under the UN Declaration of Indigenous Peoples, his hopes for recognition or support is "dead in the water". Squashed!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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The Burlington link really points out how far off the deep end Johnson/TBE/Mohammed is.
"the Burlington Vortex Conference...
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is....
Ancestor to: European Royal Lineage who married into the tribe in 1590AD....
Co-Chairman of over 29 tribes....
A Master Mason: of the 32nd Degree, Shriner and Past Master.
A Member of: Black Indians & Inter Tribal Native American Association
United American Métis society (full-blooded Native American)....
HE WAS:
....GOLD Medalist - US OLYMPIC Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do - AAU All....
HE HOLDS (a):
B.S. in ACCOUNTING - Gannon University....
DOCTORATE of DIVINITY
Knowledge of Arabic, Hebrew, Spanish and Native American Languages, Histories and Alternative Healing....
Friday October 31st - 4 p.m.- 5 p.m.
Tecumseh Brown Eagle discusses the return of the Pharaohs, connecting the Pharaohs of Egypt to the Montauk Indians of New York...then tracing these Pyramid and Moundbuilders to Wisconsin...."
Paranormal nonsense...claiming to be Euro royalty yet full blooded NDN...no names for the 29 tribes he heads of course.
Part of another Nuage cult, the Binays. My guess is their little gatherings might be the "29 tribes".
"Knowledge of" proably doesn't mean speaking. Most people have knowledge of other languages, big deal. I hope alt healing doesn't mean ceremony selling.
Moved to Frauds, and long overdue.
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Not "Tecumseh" who is "Brown" and definately not an "Eagle"
Niiki
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Tansi;
I got a kick out of "United American Metis Society (full blooded Native American). Since us Metis are mixed blood, I can't see how "full blooded Native American" would be able to be Metis also.
Ric
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Tansi;
I got a kick out of "United American Metis Society (full blooded Native American). Since us Metis are mixed blood, I can't see how "full blooded Native American" would be able to be Metis also.
Ric
Yes that's a howl Ric! Shows you how much of a joke "Not Tecumseh" is!!
Niiki
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Acceptance and Recognition 101 under the Great Law of Peace of Six Nations Confederacy etc.
First of all the name "Tecumseh Brown Eagle" that Abdul Abdullah Mohammed, has assumed without going through the proper traditional process of receiving of having the right to carry the name , was not honoured. According to verification from the Shawnees themselves he never asked permission from them to take on a name for himself of one of their notable chiefs. The Shawnee are not Erie. As the Shawnee are an off-shoot of the Delaware, and very closely associated linguistically to the Sauk-Fox and Illinois people, an Algonquian speaking people. The Erie, are of Hokan-Siouan linguistic family of the Iroquoian branch. Therefore it would seem more traditional and more right for Abdul, to have received an Erie name and not a Shawnee name. The Shawnee have also informed us that they also want nothing to do with this " Tecumseh Brown Eagle" as he has deceived them, lied to them, and was not able to provide proof to them of his lineage. They don't even want to mention his name, as he is someone to them who doesn't even exist.
Therefore the Shawnee did not bestow the name of one their chiefs upon him!! No community recognition from the Shawnee!!
Secondly in review of his genealogy that he has circulated widely throughout, New York, Pennsylvania, Ontario and who knows where else, it has been verified that it isn't even his genealogy. In addition to this, the James Oliver Johnson 111, that he claims to be, and is not, on the father's , father's side is where this connection to a chief comes from and a Cherokee at that. Under our Great Law of the Six Nations Confederacy, our clans and nations are only determined through our mother's nation and clan, which would also be matrilineal all the way back. Since the Erie are also Iroquoian, the same law applies to them of determining clan and nation. We also have more than one chief as each clan and moiety of each clan has their chief. For example, my people, the Mohawk, have 3 clans, Turtle, Bear, and Wolf, with 9 chiefs, 3 for each clan. The Erie were known and documented to have 30 representatives ( equivalent to chiefs) ."In an attempt to avoid open warfare, both sides agreed to a peace conference. However, in the course of a heated argument, one of the Erie warriors killed an Onondaga. The enraged Iroquois killed all 30 of the Erie representatives, and after this peace was impossible."
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:lSh1pDggOuAJ:www.dickshovel.com/erie.html+one+of+the+Erie+warriors+killed+an+Onondaga&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca
That being said, how can one so-called Erie Chief, "Tecumseh Brown Eagle", who improperly carries a Shawnee name, be the one and only chief of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation, when in the past true history of the Erie Nation, there was more than one clan, and more than one chief? The answer to this, is by referring to the including reference, all of their chiefs, were killed at the meeting with the Onondaga and Seneca. Under our law, their chiefs titles would have died with them, since they also did not raise up any other chiefs to take the place of the ones who had been killed.
Thirdly, it has been verified that the EIMTN membership is made of people that they take in that are not Erie by lineal descent, most of them are not even a NAI. If they are, they are from other nations, who are not recognized as being an NAI by their own people. So what does this say about this community, who identifies itself as an NAI community by it's name "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation"? That they falsely identified themselves as NAI when they are not or the vast majority of their members are not NAI.
Fourthly as far as community recognition goes, sure they may think they can self identify themselves as NAI, when our traditional laws under Great Law stipulates how we are known by our mother's nation and clan. So whose law do we as Six Nations Confederacy people acknowledge? It's not the newcomers!! It's our own! And our law does not recognize "Tecumseh Brown Eagle" as being an NAI. He himself made statements that he got his mother and fathers death certificates changed, because they both identified his parents as being Black. So what does that say about TBE? Is he a NAI as he claims and tries to lead many to believe, even the people around him? The answers to these questions are very clear!
Fifthly All of this being said, Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, is not really "Tecumseh Brown Eagle" as he has no right to carry that name. He is not Erie, because he is not proven it by lineage. He can not be an Erie Chief , because they were all killed in 1653. The remainder of the Erie survivors, were brought into the Six Nations Confederacy, and it also known that the Seneca-Cayuga of Oklahoma have Erie descendants.
The Erie have become part of our Six Nation Communities and now are identified through the nations and clans they were brought into. That's where the community recognition is at! Not from or within the "faux Eries" such as the "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation"
Lastly since, the " Erie Indian Moundbuilders Ttribal Nation" are not recognized by our government, the Six Nations Confederacy, on a Nation to Nation basis, because the Erie Nation Confederacy or Nation does not exist in our eyes and hasn't since 1656, and also since the EIMTN will not be recognized on a Nation to Nation basis with the US, Canada or UN, then it is "dead in the water"!! In order for them to go anywhere in reality they also have be able to work with all forms of government on a Nation to Nation basis. I do believe that's what certain intelligent people are trying to say in this thread.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Here is some more of the Otah from Cindy "Pale-face" Loudoris, Abdul's ( Tecumseh Brown Eagle's mouthpiece and girl friend aka Shamush)
You'll get a laugh out of this:
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 8:12 PM
If I am wasting your precious time in the universe and you have absolutely no interest in what has been written about Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle via the person formerly associated with him, then please accept my apologies and read no further.
I, as a close friend and colleague of the Chief felt it necessary to respond to this outrageous and unacceptable attack. I have the highest regard and respect for Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle. I have found him to be a true humanitarian who cares deeply about his native ancestry. ( He is actually Black) He comes by this honestly as both his mother and maternal grandfather BISHOP Jefferson Myers...have scholarships awarded yearly in their honor for Humanitarian of the Year and their commitment to others.
The Chief's past has been very diverse and he has accomplished more than most men have. He was born James Oliver Johnson III, his grandfather gave him the name Tecumseh Brown-Eagle when he was a young child.( If that's the case, then why didn't he grow up with that name, and change it from Abdul Abdullah Mohammed to Tecumseh Brown Eagle after 1987? Another one of his lies!!) The name Abdul-Muta'Ali( Servant of the Inspirational) Haadi-Nur(Guide- Light) Abdullah-Muhammad( one worthy to give praise to the Giver of Life) was given him by a mystic which he took in honor of the peoples whose land he lived during the time he represented the United States Karate Team (USA World Championship Team) USA Karate Inc. Representing the AAU Karate Team in Lexington Kentucky, 1987 he won a gold, becoming the first Native ( Black) gold medalist in AAU Karate. He is highly educated, was awarded a Doctorate of Divinity and is also a Master Mason of the 32nd Degree, this is documented information. I have included at the end of this email more personal information on Chief TBE.
The Chief's lineage has been complete in detail for approximately a year, which consisted of well over 3,000 hours of research (approximately one year) and final copy totalling 507 pages.
( Of Bullshit because it took them that long to compile it!) Family Genealogy of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle Beg. Year 0602 ( I don't know of anyone's geneology who goes back that far, more bullshit) (. Obviously, this is not available to everyone and will not be posted on the Erie Moundbuilders website, if you contact Chief TBE personally and request this information a condensed version may be supplied. ( Hmmm the Shawnees did request it, and Tecumseh never delivered any proof to them!!)
Chief TBE has in his possession all supporting documents... . birth certificates, death certificates, etc. A massive amount of ( bs) research was conducted and located online, which includes (but not inclusive of) the Guion Miller Roll, Dawes Roll, family trees of his ancestors current and past, as well as historical information pertaining to his ancestors.( What he did not tell you is he got this off of ancestory.com and is someone else's geneology) The Chief is FULL BLOOD NATIVE ( more bullshit, as both his parents death records state that they are black) (which is more than many can lay claim to) with ties on both his paternal and maternal side directly to the HOUSE OF MOYTOY and many other famous Native men and women. Following is list of only a handful of prominent members of his family...... ........
Thomas Pasmere Carpenter (Corn Planter) Right! Not!
Chiefs Moytoy I, II, II, IV and V Right! Not!
Chief Oconastota Small Pox Conjuror aka James Beaver Jr. Right! Not!
Chief Attacullaculla aka Little Carpenter Right! Not!
Stand Watie Brigadier General aka Isaac Stan Watie Right Not!
Chief - Major John Ridge aka Pathkiller II Right! Not!
Chief Wneypuechiska aka Chief Corn Stalk Right! Not!
Nanye-hi aka Nancy Ward Right! Not!
War Chief Dragging Canoe Carpenter Right! Not!
Chief TBE is dark (black)
in complexion which stems from the fact that he is of direct native ( black) bloodlines. HE IS A TRUE CHIEF IN VERY SENSE OF THE WORD. ( from what planet???) NOTE: I have attached pictures of Mohawks found in the Seneca Museum, the front page of Time magazine depicting the dark complexion of original natives, a picture of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle himself in his Masonic attire and attached as well is the famous Indian Group "Trustees of Georgia Painting" which includes some of Chief Tecumseh's family.
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is in possession of well over 20,000 documents that support his family history/ancestry, who were the Chiefs of the Erie Nation, (called Cherokee…. original name being……… Rickahockans, when in fact they were actually Erie Indian Moundbuilders)( here they go with more bs) ( . The Mound Builder label should be regarded as a description of Ancient Native American Civilization, rather than, as something describing a fundamentally different group of people. The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation are the direct descendants of Mississippi Valley Erie-Mound Builders Indians, who called themselves hErie, Alliwegis, sometimes called Talliwegis. In addition some descendants of Erie Indian Moundbuilders (Head of all Nations) became known as: Muskogee (Creek) Indian Moundbuilders/ Cherokee/ Catawba/Shawnee/ Mingoes.. .. just to name a few.( Have fun with this one)
Clan Names (All Cherokee Clans)
Ani-Gi-La-Hi & Ani-Gi-Lo-Hi………Long Hair Clan Ani-Wa-Ya……….…Wolf Clan
Ani-Sa-Ha-Ni…………Panther Clan; Blue Clan Ani-Wa-Di………………….Paint Clan
Ani-Ga-Ta-Ge- Wi & Ani-Go-Te-Ge- Wi………Panther Clan; Blue Holly Clan; Wild Potato Clan; Wild Yam Clan
Ani-Ka-Wi…………………...Deer Clan Ani-Tsi-S'qua…………….Bird Clan
So.......... ......... I say this now, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and I don't mean just this attack against Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle or his Sovereign Nation ( a sovereign nation is one that is recognized as such, which isn't by anyone) , which is a CHOICE (not a legal matter) to be recognized by the US Government. This is directed at the
person(s) involved with making false accusations and labelling someone a fraud, tending to continuously go off on tangents. How dare anyone think that they have the right(s) to do such a horrendous act. ONE should be COMPLETLEY 100% of the facts, with backup documentation that states ONLY the FACTS. Meaning: supplying existing documentation clearly showing the name(s) of that group/person in question. Using other group(s)/persons with similar circumstances is NOT FACT. Verbally attacking ANY group or person is neither professional nor is it or should it be acceptable. There are more diplomatic ways to state ones point. Many conversations (some of which I was privy to) were taken out of context by a certain person( Conversations not hardly, more like screaming matches) .( T My suggestion: any questions regarding the Bruce Nuclear Project or ANY other projects (involving Chief TBE) current and future, be put to him personally. ( Tecumeh has no say in anything on the other side of Lake Erie or Ontario, according to Six Nation Confederacy Leaders)
My opinion: These kind of battles reek of "a bully in the schoolyard", and makes me think of a quote from Dr. Phil........ .. "he isn't bad, he isn't evil, he is JUST WRONG!!! ( Which Tecumseh needs to take a look in the mirror at himself as he tried to bully the Six Nations and it did not work)
Truly and Sincerely,
Shamush ( "Pale-face" Cindy Loudoris)
More Otah below:
TECUMSEH BROWN-EAGLE aka James Oliver Johnson III, Chief and Chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation. Born: May 29, 1957 Erie, PA. First born son of James Oliver Johnson II and Othello Davis Sessums Backwater Laster Myers, both of whom were actively involved in the community and charity organizations. Chief Tecumseh Brown Eagle is of the bloodline lineage currently related to the British Royal Family, in addition to having direct bloodlines to CHIEF MOYTOY 1, (House of Moytoy). One of the Chief`s main goals is to improve the quality of life for all Native American and Indigenous Peoples through cultural, social, economical and educational awareness. The following are only some of his many accomplishments: Co-Chairman of the Native American Reconciliation Campaign; Accountant/Auditor/ Managerial Adviser; Fiscal Assistant; Financial Consultant; Health Administrator; Martial Arts Instructor; Master Mason: of the 32nd Degree; Shriner; Drug and Alcohol Outreach Specialist; Member of: Black Indians & Inter Tribal Native American Association; County Human Relations Commission Advisory Board; Entrepreneurial Outreach Consultant Minority Business Developer;
Volunteer Gannon University Small Business Development Center; Erie City Council Appointee, Committee for Community Concerns. U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do /Karate; U.S.A. World Championship Karate Team
Member; GOLD Medalist - US OLYMPIC Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do - National Champion Rep of US Of AAU All American Karate Team-America, in South America, France, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. Quarterback and Free-safety Gannon University Football Team at 33 years of age; Football Conditioning Coach, Erie Cathedral Prep. Brown-Eagle holds a B.S. in ACCOUNTING (Gannon University); Blackbelt: Third Degree Tae Kwon Do; Blackbelt: Second Degree Karate; DOCTORATE Of DIVINITY and has knowledge of Arabic, Hebrew, Spanish, Native American Languages, Histories , as well as Alternative Healing.
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Niiki - your passion is admirable. Your knowledge is impressive. However, you are treading on dangerous territory when you dismiss someone who is labelled a "fraud" and base it in part on you also referring to his skin as "brown." There are other members here who proudly post and boast of their "brown" skin as being NDN. In fact, on the other end of racism there is one poster on another thread who dismisses ANY NDN who is NOT "brown" skinned and enrolled! Just a heads up so you do not lose your righteous battle by incorporating loaded terms (which the other poster who dismisses lighter skinned NDNS did).
Also, your definition of "Sovereignty" is totally inaccurate. You state:
"a sovereign nation is one that is recognized as such, which isn't by anyone)...to be recognized by the US...."
That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the term Sovereignty.
"Sovereignty: is the FREEDOM from EXTERNAL CONTROL!" Thus, depending on outsiders or others to define who you are or who you can't be is the antithesis of Sovereignty! Sovereignty does NOT depend on "recognition" by anyone but those who claim sovereignty, and then live it! IF your definition were true, then all the recently "recognized" nations were what, before the US "recognized" them...."not sovereign?"
Despite all the treaties which verified their sovereignty? Despite all the citizens of those self-proclaimed sovereign nations which were holding on to their sovereignty DESPITE the US's refusal to recognize them???? So, by your definition - just about every nation was not sovereign - until the invader gave them a thumbs up seal of approval. I don't buy it. Neither does the dictionary. Neither would all the strong leaders of those sovereign nations who fought years for recognition - not to "become" sovereign, but because they always were sovereign!
The rest of your campaign is sound and righteous. I'm on your side, just not about the misuse of these crucially important terms. Good luck to you.
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Also, your definition of "Sovereignty" is totally inaccurate. You state:
"a sovereign nation is one that is recognized as such, which isn't by anyone)...to be recognized by the US...."
That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the term Sovereignty.
"Sovereignty: is the FREEDOM from EXTERNAL CONTROL!" Thus, depending on outsiders or others to define who you are or who you can't be is the antithesis of Sovereignty! Sovereignty does NOT depend on "recognition" by anyone but those who claim sovereignty, and then live it! IF your definition were true, then all the recently "recognized" nations were what, before the US "recognized" them...."not sovereign?"
Despite all the treaties which verified their sovereignty? Despite all the citizens of those self-proclaimed sovereign nations which were holding on to their sovereignty DESPITE the US's refusal to recognize them???? So, by your definition - just about every nation was not sovereign - until the invader gave them a thumbs up seal of approval. I don't buy it. Neither does the dictionary. Neither would all the strong leaders of those sovereign nations who fought years for recognition - not to "become" sovereign, but because they always were sovereign!
The rest of your campaign is sound and righteous. I'm on your side, just not about the misuse of these crucially important terms. Good luck to you.
The post that you are referring to I did not write, for your clarification. It was posted on a another yahoo group , by TBE's mouthpiece, Shamush, aka Cindy Lodouris, or Cindy Hopkins. I just added my comments to it. What I was saying is the "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation" can not claim sovereignty, because they are not a legitimate nation, based on the fact that the name EIMTN, only came about recently. In order for them to be able to claim to be a sovereign nation, there would also have some records of their prior existence as a nation by that name. Yes the Six Nations Confederacy is a sovereign , because they have existed as such for a long time, as there is track record of their existence by that name. What I am saying is that a person, cannot just decide one day, as Tecumseh, has done to play Indian chief, start an organization, and then self proclaim sovereignty, when there is no previous record of their existence as EIMTN before 10 years ago. To our knowledge this group only started within the last 10 years, hardly enough time to be able to declare itself a sovereign nation. I was not necessarily referring to the newcomers as the ones who recognize sovereignty. The EIMTN have had no chiefs since 1653, no Nation to Nation interactions for a long time, therefore, they, the EITMN, is not a sovereign nation. The Erie/Neutrals gave that all up when they became part of the Six Nations Confederacy.
As far as a reference to " Brown", I was trying to bring attention to the fact that by his name, he is not really who he says he is. That was not meant to be racially bias towards brown skinned NAI.
Oneh!
Niiki
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This is Shamush, and I would like to point out that my letter has been revised by a MAN (he is not a woman) who has not followed the rules, HE has added in his own words AND changed my name at the end. Upon registering in this forum each person must agree NOT to post any material which is FALSE, DEFAMATORY, INAACURATE, ABUSIVE, ETC., ETC. THIS agreement has been broken numerous times by all that has been posted in regards to Tecumseh Brown-Eagle. Everything stated is FALSE, DEFAMATORY, INACCURATE, ABUSIVE, ETC. ETC. and this man has the nerve to take others to task for exactly what he has done!!! Not to mention the fact that he takes liberties by changing other peoples letters as he has done here. Following is my letter in it's true form. You are quite correct in warning him but... IT IS TOOOO LATE...........HE HAS ALREADY TREADED ON DANGEROUS TERRITORY!!!! and not just against Tecumseh Brown-Eagle. My letter:
If I am wasting your precious time in the universe and you have absolutely no interest in what has been written about Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle via the person formerly associated with him, then please accept my apologies and read no further.
[Spam removed. Lodouris reposted the same information already on the thread.]
So................... I say this now, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and I don't mean just this attack against Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle or his Sovereign Nation, which is a CHOICE (not a legal matter) to be recognized by the US Government. This is directed at the person(s) involved with making false accusations and labelling someone a fraud, tending to continuously go off on tangents. How dare anyone think that they have the right(s) to do such a horrendous act. ONE should be COMPLETLEY 100% of the facts, with backup documentation that states ONLY the FACTS. Meaning: supplying existing documentation clearly showing the name(s) of that group/person in question. Using other group(s)/persons with similar circumstances is NOT FACT. Verbally attacking ANY group or person is neither professional nor is it or should it be acceptable. There are more diplomatic ways to state ones point. Many conversations (some of which I was privy to) were taken out of context by a certain person. My suggestion: any questions regarding the Bruce Nuclear Project or ANY other projects (involving Chief TBE) current and future, be put to him personally.
My opinion: These kind of battles reek of "a bully in the schoolyard", and makes me think of a quote from Dr. Phil.......... "he isn't bad, he isn't evil, he is JUST WRONG!!!
ps. There is a more in depth letter of support from another in regards to this attack of Chief TBE online at ............... http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/
Truly and Sincerely,
Shamush
[More spam]
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Ms Hopkins AKA Lodouris AKA Shamush AKA Wahyahanae, etc, etc....
Kindly point out exactly what was supposedly added or changed to your post. I saw it, and it was exactly like what you just spammed the forum with, word for word. That's why I removed it. The same information was already on this thread.
Since the words were exactly the same, how could they be "libelous" unless you were libeling Johnson/TBE/Mohammed? And how could you be libeled if no words were changed?
(OK, I'm tired of typing out the multiple names of both. From now on, it's J/TBE/M and H/L/S/W.)
Your little rant about the facts also ignores that:
J/TBE/M claims to be both 100% Am Indian, yet European royalty and Metis. Metis is mixedblood by definition.
He claims as ancestors people of unrelated tribes.
Six Nations elders point out he is using someone else's genealogy.
The whole ugly, offensive, and patently racist denial of the history of slavery that's at the center of this fraud's claim that "Black are the true Natives."
And as for "dark skin" as a proof of anything, you obviously haven't been around too many dark skinned people. There's an obvious difference between dark skinned Am Indians, with our skin becoming the color of leather when under the sun a lot, and darker skinned African or Black people, whose skin is the color of chocolate or ebony even if they live in the far north.
I also find it curious that J/TBE/M has you as his girlfriend when he's preaching Black supremacy, as do the Binay, as does the Nation of Islam. The former he is a member of, and the latter he is clearly influenced by at the least, perhaps actively promoting.
Would you also like to explain your multiple pseudo-Native names? By coincidence, your chosen ID at this forum almost matches that of a fraud?
And please post a link to the letter of support you mentioned.
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Shamush ( Cindy Hopkins) is again speaking out her other mouth. No Niiki, is not a man.
She thinks she can threaten me along with others that I am closely associated with as her master does, MR. TBE. She has another thing coming. Her and Mr. TBE's days are numbered in their fraud. As many of us know about them because we have been getting reports from several sources going back to 2005 of their fraud.
Ms. Hopkins and Mr. TBE are the ones treading on dangerous ground.
Way to go Educated Indian, by telling it like it is with them both!!
Niawen gowa! Oneh!
Niiki
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Because I still doubt that he is a Mason or Shriner, has anyone ever made a complaint or information request from the Penn. Grand Masonic Lodge?
One North Broad St., Philadelphia 19107-2598
www.pagrandlodge.org/
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Because I still doubt that he is a Mason or Shriner, has anyone ever made a complaint or information request from the Penn. Grand Masonic Lodge?
One North Broad St., Philadelphia 19107-2598
www.pagrandlodge.org/
Please refer to this following information if you still have doubts:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:KC6QuL38shoJ:www.burlingtonnews.net/speaker-tecumseh.html+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle+Shriner&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is:
Chief and Chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
First Born Son of: James Oliver Johnson Jr., Erie Indian with brown complexion
& .. Othello M. Johnson, Erie Indian with copper complexion, both of whom were active amongst their community involving, human rights and charity organizations.
Ancestor to: European Royal Lineage who married into the tribe in 1590AD
An Advocate for: Human rights and minorities
Co-Chairman of the Native American Reconciliation Campaign
Co-Chairman of over 29 tribes
An Accountant/Auditor/Managerial Adviser: City of Erie, PA
A Fiscal Assistant: City of Erie, PA
A Financial Consultant: Erie, Pa
A Health Administrator: State of PA
A Martial Arts Instructor: Karate and Tae Kwon Do
A Master Mason: of the 32nd Degree, Shriner and Past Master.
A Member of: Black Indians & Inter Tribal Native American Association
United American Métis society (full-blooded Native American)
Erie County Human Relations commission advisory Board
Entrepreneurial Outreach Consultant Minority Business Developer
Volunteer Gannon University’s Small Business Development Center
Erie City Council Appointee, Committee for Community Concerns
Oneh
Niiki
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Niiki, it looks like that's a bunch of stuff he just made up himself and posted at a clearing house for other nutters - vortex conference, good grief. Its just that I'd be really surprised if he was a shriner or a mason. Probably just one more thing he lied about, wouldn't hurt to check it out.
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FYI.... I never EVEN KNEW the Chief until 2 years ago, so there is even MORE false information (LIES) I, and many others HAVE personally seen ALL the information and evidence about the Chief to backup who he is!!! I have seen him in his Masonic gear, there are pictures of him in his Masonic gear, so no need to be surpised that he is anymore. The 2005 issue was retracted in writing and a sincere apology sent by the person who wrote it. Someone needs to get their information in order!!!! HAS THIS PERSON WHO IS WRITING ALL THESE LIES SEEN THIS INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE????? NO!!!!...... because HE is not important enough. Someone has suceeded in making a FOOL of himself. THE lies and claims of the Chief being a fraud will be SOMEONES undoing. Man or mouse? Definitely mouse.
Random Question for David: who's next? More Dowsers? The little old lady crossing the street?? The girl guide selling cookies??? ohhhh, I know............ the boy scouts!!!! Anyone can spend years and years trying to find something negative and false about me!!! NO ONE NEVER WILL, why? BECAUSE I AM an honest person and have NEVER BEEN, nor WILL BE a fraud!!! I am the mother of 3 grown children who have become good citizens and show people respect. I am the one many come to for help and guidance. I have earned the utmost respect from my family and within my community. An accomplishment that some can try to lay claim to but will never achieve. I do not purposely cause anger, controversy, and hate. Why? because I am not sick.
For all others: TBE is (thankfully) no longer associated with a NPD and Sociopath Disorder character. It didn't take me but 5 minutes to achieve a diagnosis. HERE IT IS!!!! right off the internet. The sad part is that others recognize this persons problem, have even written to this person about it, and yet the one who REALLY needs to acknowlege it WON'T and never will. Now that I know how sick this person is, nothing that is said about me or the Chief will hurt us, only themself. NOTHING MORE NEEDS TO BE SAID.
DEFINITION OF NPD - NARCISSIST PERSONALITY DISORDER and SOCIOPATH
A pattern of traits and behaviors which signify infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, dominance and ambition.
The onset of narcissism is in infancy, childhood and early adolescence. It is commonly attributed to childhood abuse and trauma inflicted by parents, authority figures, or even peers.
"Cerebral" Narcissists (derive their narcissistic supply from their intelligence or academic achievements)
An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually
beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts.
Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist).
Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions)
Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply)
Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations
Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends
Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others
Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her
Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
Grandiosity rests on such fragile foundations, that any hint of equality, disagreement, or of his needs (for a friend, for instance) threatens the narcissist profoundly. The narcissist is exceedingly insecure.
Classic narcissistic behaviour is when idealisation is followed by devaluation. The devaluating attitude develops as a result of disagreements.
Narcissists do many unnecessary, wrong and even dangerous things in pursuit of the stabilisation of their inflated self-image.
Narcissists will forever shift the blame, pass the buck, and engage in cognitive dissonance. They "pathologise" the other, foster feelings of guilt and shame in the other, demean, debase and humiliate the other, in order to preserve their sense of grandiosity.
Narcissists are pathological liars. They think nothing of it because their very self is FALSE, an invention.
NPD specifically manifests as a pathological craving for attention. Socio/psychopathy manifests as a pathological disregard for anything but self gratification.
Though the two conditions could easily co-exist in the same individual.
When those with NPD are "indifferent, callous and careless," surely this is a by-product of their driving need for attention to which all else is sacrificed. The Sociopath, however, is indifferent, callous and careless OF HIS NATURE, which FACILITATES the destructive pursuit of his personal choice of self gratification.
There is a subcategory of narcissists called "malignant narcissists" that to some extent merge the antisocials and the narcissists.
Inability to form relationships, not even narcissistically twisted relationships, with other humans;
Total disregard for society, its conventions, social cues and social treaties.
Certain narcissists incorporate moral values into their exaggerated sense of superiority. Moral laxity is seen (by the narcissist) as evidence of inferiority and it is those who are unable to remain morally pure who are looked upon with contempt.
Narcissists are simply indifferent, callous and careless in their conduct and in their treatment of their fellow humans. Their abuse of others is off-handed and absent-minded.
The Sociopath adn Narcissist both warp reality to suit their needs. Narcissists are all about image and ego. They will say anything (lie) to make them sound good for the moment, even if it contradicts what they said the day before. The malignant narcissist goes a step further and devalues, criticizes and nitpicks other people. A narcissist is lazy. They are all mouth. They steal the credit. If anything goes wrong, they always have a scapegoat ready to blame. A narcissist only exists in the present. They have gaps in their memory and don't know what they did yesterday (it was a lie, and lies don't have real memories attached).
A sociopath is an extreme narcissist with a sadistic, jealous, vindictive dark side. They have a need to hurt people. They will rationalize and justify getting revenge on people. They are lynch mobs. A sociopath and narcissist seem to have the same, or similar, chemical imbalance. They are not able to empathize. Emotionally stunted, aggressive, self-centered, vain, argumentative, impulsive, volatile, and can be capable of being violent.
--- "A sociopath is an extreme narcissist with a sadistic, jealous, vindictive dark side. They have a need to hurt people."
The plain meaning of this is that a sociopath is a certain type of narcissist.
A sociopath gloats over the pain he creates, because it means he is powerful.
A malignant narcissist is lazy, doing all his work with his mouth, whereas a benign narcissist will often actually strive to be genuinely valuable, and a sociopath can put inexorable and meticulous effort into setting up his victim.
Acharacteristic all three share: Not a one of them gives a damn about the potential negative effects upon others of their self-seeking behavior. The sociopath's stance is: "I want what I want, and somebody else gets to pay for it. Don't get in my way. But then, you don't have the right to escape, and once you're in my headlights I'll chase you all over the road until I get you." The malignant narcissist's stance is: "I want what I want, and somebody else gets to pay for it. Don't get in my way. When I run over you, I'm going to be pissed off if you scratch my paint." The benign narcissist's stance is: "I want what I want, and I'll pay for it--but don't get in my way. If I accidentally happen to run over you, I'm just going to wonder what that bump was."
Narcissists might utilize lying, cheating, stealing and abusing to suit their needs (create a self image) without really thinking through what it does to others.
THERE YOU HAVE IT!!!
Now we all know what type of person we are getting all this twaddle from.
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Who is the "he" you keep refering to? Mr. David Redwolf has the right to withdraw his support. We do not need a lesson in Abnormal Psychology 101. Thanks.
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I have not had time to go through all the info sent to me, but just as a snippet in regards to the Olympic claims
U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do /Karate; U.S.A. World Championship Karate Team
Member; GOLD Medalist - US OLYMPIC Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do
From David Richmond, USA Olympic committee, Colorado Springs, CO
If someone is claiming to be an Olympic champion in KARATE I can guarantee you it is a false claim as Karate is not an Olympic sport as of 2008. Taekwondo was featured on the programme of the 1988 and 1992 Olympics as a demonstration sport, taekwondo became an official medal sport beginning with the 2000 Olympics in Sydney.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that the US Karate and Taekwondo Associations has records of all official meets, and activities going back to the first Korean competitions, including all competetor, records, and are checking to see if anyone has ever competed or won under the three names used.
Also I forwarded the Masonic information on to an relative who is a past master (Mason) and past national level officer. He is checking to see if he has ever been a Master Mason, past Master or any part of a Masonic Temple. As I was told, the wearing of the Masonic apron or other regalia outside the lodge is considered very impropper and can result in sanctions.
The Official Cherokee geneology site has excellent geneology charts for Chief Moytoy I, and his decendents - Moytoy II, III, IV, Kanagatucko, Attacullaculla, Oconostota, Nancy Ward, Major Ridge, General Stand Watie including children and children's children, etc, etc. It is interesting as they show no relationship with the above Cherokee leaders and the Senneca Corn Planter.
Ancestor in European Royal Lineage who married into the tribe in 1590AD
I would love to know where this happened as there are certainly no tribal histories that include this and Jamestown was 1609 Plymouth founded in 1620, so it would have had to been somewhere other than the east coast.
guess I will just keep checking each one of these one by one and see what pops up
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Who is the "he" you keep refering to? Mr. David Redwolf has the right to withdraw his support. We do not need a lesson in Abnormal Psychology 101. Thanks.
Yes she is referring to Mr. Redwolf. And you are right Mr. Redwolf, does have the right to withdraw his support, and the way they are both acting, is like a dictatorship! Not a healthy situation to be involved in!
She posted the same bs on his yahoo group! This woman is absolutely bonkers!!
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/70
This was posted by Shamush ( Cindy Hopkins) TBE's mouthpiece.
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/71 Mr. Redwolf's response
This wreaks of someone who has been severely brainwashed!
More information coming forward from several sources!
Niiki
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I have not had time to go through all the info sent to me, but just as a snippet in regards to the Olympic claims
U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do /Karate; U.S.A. World Championship Karate Team
Member; GOLD Medalist - US OLYMPIC Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do
From David Richmond, USA Olympic committee, Colorado Springs, CO
If someone is claiming to be an Olympic champion in KARATE I can guarantee you it is a false claim as Karate is not an Olympic sport as of 2008. Taekwondo was featured on the programme of the 1988 and 1992 Olympics as a demonstration sport, taekwondo became an official medal sport beginning with the 2000 Olympics in Sydney.
Hmmmm..... more of TBE's false claims! Proof of the many false claims he has made!!
Niiki
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TBE is a familiar name in the phoniest of the phonies, the Binay "tribe" which he claims membership in. He also is associated with the Nation of Islam and the Nuwabians/Washitaw. He preaches their gospel along with brand of new age religion. I also find it interesting that he chose to claim Stand Watie, a black hating slaveholder and Confederate general responsible for atrocities against freedmen, as an ancestor. The Nuwabian/Washitaw mythology claims that slavery never existed and that black people were the "original indigenous people of the Americas". He is trying to create a new "black Indian" tribe and get paid like Jerry Monroe. Its interesting how he blends his story into this UFO stuff, like Jerry Monroe blends his story into fundamentalist Christianity. They both want to sell their mythology to black people who dream of being Indian for what they think its worth.
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TBE is a familiar name in the phoniest of the phonies, the Binay "tribe" which he claims membership in. He also is associated with the Nation of Islam and the Nuwabians/Washitaw. He preaches their gospel along with brand of new age religion. I also find it interesting that he chose to claim Stand Watie, a black hating slaveholder and Confederate general responsible for atrocities against freedmen, as an ancestor. The Nuwabian/Washitaw mythology claims that slavery never existed and that black people were the "original indigenous people of the Americas". He is trying to create a new "black Indian" tribe and get paid like Jerry Monroe. Its interesting how he blends his story into this UFO stuff, like Jerry Monroe blends his story into fundamentalist Christianity. They both want to sell their mythology to black people who dream of being Indian for what they think its worth.
Niawen Gowa for your posting Don!! Much appreciated!
Oneh
Niiki
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AS STATED BEFORE: NPD and SOCIOPATH
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AS STATED BEFORE: NPD and SOCIOPATH
Ms. Hopkins (and other names):
Stating you think someone is acting crazy, as people often do in arguments as hyperbole, is one thing. But you're repeatedly claiming Redwolf is actually mentally ill and/or dangerous. I'm not a lawyer but it seems like you're opening yourself up to libel charges and a potential suit, in all seriousness.
Niiki, please inform Mr. Redwolf. If Redwolf would like to file a suit, we'll keep the possible libel here for him to gather the proof, if he wants. But we certainly don't want to be hosting libel, so we'll be deleting it should he ask us to.
Ms. Hopkins, once again, let's see any alleged libel you claim has been done vs J/TBE/M. He's already been caught lying about his genealogy, ethnicity, "chief" status, Olympic claims, royalty claims, claims about his phony "tribe."
And I'm still curious about your own pseudo Native names.
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Yep, unless she has a medical degree with a residency in Psychiatry or a PHD in Psychology with a testing rating. She's walking on very thin ice getting into DMS-III or !V territory.
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AS STATED BEFORE: NPD and SOCIOPATH
Ms. Hopkins (and other names):
Stating you think someone is acting crazy, as people often do in arguments as hyperbole, is one thing. But you're repeatedly claiming Redwolf is actually mentally ill and/or dangerous. I'm not a lawyer but it seems like you're opening yourself up to libel charges and a potential suit, in all seriousness.
Niiki, please inform Mr. Redwolf. If Redwolf would like to file a suit, we'll keep the possible libel here for him to gather the proof, if he wants. But we certainly don't want to be hosting libel, so we'll be deleting it should he ask us to.
Ms. Hopkins, once again, let's see any alleged libel you claim has been done vs J/TBE/M. He's already been caught lying about his genealogy, ethnicity, "chief" status, Olympic claims, royalty claims, claims about his phony "tribe."
And I'm still curious about your own pseudo Native names.
Yes Mr. Redwolf would like it to be left there, although it is not proper to continue to mention his name as being associated with Tecumseh Brown Eagle or the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation. He has chosen not to support them anymore, and his name should be left out it in the future. I am sure that Mr. Redwolf will be glad to forward Ms. Hopkins comments onto legal council and proceed to the next level. It is good that her comments remain as proof of her posting them. We have been made aware of other information and support coming from other Nations. Tecumseh and his group of supporters are walking on very thin ice from what we have been informed. I do believe that Kahntinenta and the Mohawk Nation News wrote an article about the fake Algonquins that Joan Holmes has set up. It's being investigated whether or not if Ms. Hopkins was a part of the Joan Holmes process!!
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:FjBC8aSxecYJ:www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenews.php%3Flang%3Den%26layout%3Dmnn%26newsnr%3D596%26backurl%3D%252Fnews%252Fnews3.php%253Flang%253Den%2526layout%253Dmnn%2526sortorder%253D0%26srcscript%3D/news/news3.php+Mohawk+Nation+News+Joan+Holmes+and+Fake+Algonquins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca
Oneh
Niiki
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AS STATED BEFORE: NPD and SOCIOPATH
Ms. Hopkins (and other names):
Stating you think someone is acting crazy, as people often do in arguments as hyperbole, is one thing. But you're repeatedly claiming Redwolf is actually mentally ill and/or dangerous. I'm not a lawyer but it seems like you're opening yourself up to libel charges and a potential suit, in all seriousness.
Niiki, please inform Mr. Redwolf. If Redwolf would like to file a suit, we'll keep the possible libel here for him to gather the proof, if he wants. But we certainly don't want to be hosting libel, so we'll be deleting it should he ask us to.
Ms. Hopkins, once again, let's see any alleged libel you claim has been done vs J/TBE/M. He's already been caught lying about his genealogy, ethnicity, "chief" status, Olympic claims, royalty claims, claims about his phony "tribe."
And I'm still curious about your own pseudo Native names.
AS STATED BEFORE: NPD and SOCIOPATH
Ms. Hopkins (and other names):
Stating you think someone is acting crazy, as people often do in arguments as hyperbole, is one thing. But you're repeatedly claiming Redwolf is actually mentally ill and/or dangerous. I'm not a lawyer but it seems like you're opening yourself up to libel charges and a potential suit, in all seriousness.
Niiki, please inform Mr. Redwolf. If Redwolf would like to file a suit, we'll keep the possible libel here for him to gather the proof, if he wants. But we certainly don't want to be hosting libel, so we'll be deleting it should he ask us to.
Ms. Hopkins, once again, let's see any alleged libel you claim has been done vs J/TBE/M. He's already been caught lying about his genealogy, ethnicity, "chief" status, Olympic claims, royalty claims, claims about his phony "tribe."
And I'm still curious about your own pseudo Native names.
Firstly, my name is NOT Ms. Hopkins, whoever gave you that information is WRONG!!!! Secondly, thank you for your advice, but I do not recall ANYWHERE that I have EVER written the name Redwolf or associated ANY claim attached to that name in my postings, you and others have done that!!! I aplogise if if you feel I was out of order, and would like to state for the record that it is only MY OPINION. Now, YOU claim this............. "He's already been caught lying about his genealogy, ethnicity, "chief" status, Olympic claims, royalty claims, claims about his phony "tribe". My opinion is that there is NOT ANY actual PROOF of this, I mean ACTUAL DOCUMENTED PROOF, not just written or verbal diareahha. Which, in my OPINION........ are the result of one who attacks all those that don't want anything more to do with him, or to let him know what is in the works, which is the main reason for all of this crap. It makes me want to hurl. TBE CAN PROVE that mostly what has been written about him is/are a lie(s). The ridiculous part about all of this is that when I was in attendance at a Tribal Council meeting (first time there) I was approached almost immediately by NUMEROUS members (that didn't even know me) and given WARNINGS about GUESS WHO????? That information IS NOT AN UNTRUTH and I keep for a later date. Pretty much everything that has been written that is negative about TBE is a case for libel, because it IS an untruth (again, my opinion). You say that you don't want to be hosting libel here? If that is true, then most of the postings about TBE would need to be removed, in my opinion.
btw, my pseudo Native names are personal.
libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue.
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Yes Mr. Redwolf would like it to be left there, although it is not proper to continue to mention his name as being associated with Tecumseh Brown Eagle or the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation. He has chosen not to support them anymore, and his name should be left out it in the future. I am sure that Mr. Redwolf will be glad to forward Ms. Hopkins comments onto legal council and proceed to the next level. It is good that her comments remain as proof of her posting them. We have been made aware of other information and support coming from other Nations. Tecumseh and his group of supporters are walking on very thin ice from what we have been informed. I do believe that Kahntinenta and the Mohawk Nation News wrote an article about the fake Algonquins that Joan Holmes has set up. It's being investigated whether or not if Ms. Hopkins was a part of the Joan Holmes process!!
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:FjBC8aSxecYJ:www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenews.php%3Flang%3Den%26layout%3Dmnn%26newsnr%3D596%26backurl%3D%252Fnews%252Fnews3.php%253Flang%253Den%2526layout%253Dmnn%2526sortorder%253D0%26srcscript%3D/news/news3.php+Mohawk+Nation+News+Joan+Holmes+and+Fake+Algonquins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca
Oneh
Niiki
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Talk about grasping at straws, omg. Joan Holmes???? what the???? Who chooses not to support who????? BAHHHH, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. BTW send Ms. Hopkins comments onto legal council, and take it to the next level, I am sure she (whoever she is) will be extremely SURPRISED. Now I am done, I have more important things to do than read and respond to such garbage, like wash my hair or something trivial.
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Firstly her name is Cindy Hopkins aka Cindy Lodouris. Fact! She also seems not to know how to use the quote as her post seems like a hiccough! Secondly, it has been confirmed with one our Chiefs who has been doing an investigation about TBE, that everything that has been posted about him, for example, not being a Tai Kwon Do Champion, not being a Karate Champion, not being a Master Mason, or a Shriner for that matter, or a legitamate Erie Chief is all factual and true. This things have all been confirmed by others investigating the truth about TBE! So far everything that he has put out there publicly about himself are all lies! Confirmed as such!
Thirdly, the approach by many tribal members, that she is speaking of is only people who have been against him ( Mr. R.) for quite some time because of his support of the people who were against the building of a highway through the Red Hill Valley. Mr. R. also supports the chiefs and clanmothers of Six Nations Confederacy and has stood behind one of our notable chiefs of the Six Nations Confederacy many times over, including his stance on the Red Hill Valley.
And you say Cindy Hopkins, "that the case against TBE Pretty much everything that has been written that is negative about TBE is a case for libel, because it IS an untruth (again, my opinion). You say that you don't want to be hosting libel here? If that is true, then most of the postings about TBE would need to be removed, in my opinion."
Unfortunately, one of our chiefs along with other Nations have also asked that people are warned about TBE. So the warnings will continue!! And we know from experience, that your warnings of legal action, have never have amounted to anything!!
I agree with the educatedindian, that it was the choice of the moderator of this group to move the thread to this section , because it has been long overdue. And it has ! So we shall keep posting what we find!
So we will see if you post anymore Cindy Hopkins, as your undone dishes are piling up! So go do your dishes and keep your verbal diarreha to yourself!!
Oneh
Niiki
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There will be more to report after today!
Niiki
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Firstly her name is Cindy Hopkins aka Cindy Lodouris. Fact! She also seems not to know how to use the quote as her post seems like a hiccough! Secondly, it has been confirmed with one our Chiefs who has been doing an investigation about TBE, that everything that has been posted about him, for example, not being a Tai Kwon Do Champion, not being a Karate Champion, not being a Master Mason, or a Shriner for that matter, or a legitamate Erie Chief is all factual and true. This things have all been confirmed by others investigating the truth about TBE! So far everything that he has put out there publicly about himself are all lies! Confirmed as such!
Thirdly, the approach by many tribal members, that she is speaking of is only people who have been against him ( Mr. R.) for quite some time because of his support of the people who were against the building of a highway through the Red Hill Valley. Mr. R. also supports the chiefs and clanmothers of Six Nations Confederacy and has stood behind one of our notable chiefs of the Six Nations Confederacy many times over, including his stance on the Red Hill Valley.
And you say Cindy Hopkins, "that the case against TBE Pretty much everything that has been written that is negative about TBE is a case for libel, because it IS an untruth (again, my opinion). You say that you don't want to be hosting libel here? If that is true, then most of the postings about TBE would need to be removed, in my opinion."
Unfortunately, one of our chiefs along with other Nations have also asked that people are warned about TBE. So the warnings will continue!! And we know from experience, that your warnings of legal action, have never have amounted to anything!!
I agree with the educatedindian, that it was the choice of the moderator of this group to move the thread to this section , because it has been long overdue. And it has ! So we shall keep posting what we find!
So we will see if you post anymore Cindy Hopkins, as your undone dishes are piling up! So go do your dishes and keep your verbal diarreha to yourself!!
Oneh
Niiki
FACT: My name is NOT, again I repeat NOT Cindy Hopkins!!!!!!!!! Soooo saying that it is fact, IS AN UNTRUTH!! Just one of many. No one talked to me about Red Hill Valley, again...... you are wrong!!!! Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle's PHONE number is.........
1-814-572-4137 if anyone in this forum or outside of it, would like to call him and personally request any DOCUMENTS or CONTACT NAMES to verify that EVERYTHING he has asserted is TRUE and CORRECT!!!! The information you receive either written or verbal is to be kept confidential as it is personal.
You can, if you so choose, POST a statement after you have the ACTUAL proof you have requested, or have enough proof to confirm that what Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle claims is true, fact and correct, concerning the issue(s) you are wanting to confirm.
ITS TIME FOR THE FACTS and TRUTH!!
1-814-572-4137
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Thank you for the invitation to collect more information. The following has been sent as you suggested
Please forward any records and verification of enclosed personal claims made by: James Oliver Johnson III aka Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed.
As stated on - http://www.burlingtonnews.net/speaker-tecumseh.html
claims stated - “U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do /Karate; U.S.A. World Championship Karate Team Member; GOLD Medalist - US OLYMPIC Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do - National Champion Rep of US Of AAU All American Karate Team-America, in South America, France, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.
Forwarded to United States Olympic Committee (USOC), US Olympic Training Center, US Olympic Taewkondo Home Office, National Collegiate Sports Affiliation, US PASA (Pan-American Sports Association) USA National Karate Federation, American Athletics Association, Association of American Universities, World Taekwondo Association,
Please forward any records regarding the following statement as to membership in the FreeMasons and Shrine. It is not stated if he is claiming membership in Scottish Rite, or Knights Templar.
A Master Mason: of the 32nd Degree, Shriner and Past Master
Forwarded to, The US Supreme Council Scottish Rite, US Grand Council Knights Templar, US Grand Council Masonic Order. International Guild of Masonic Webmasters
as a PS - this is from where the infomation about there not being a US Olympic Karate team in existance yet, and that taekwondo was not an Olympic event until the 2000 games came from.
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1. Firstly, my name is NOT Ms. Hopkins, whoever gave you that information is WRONG!!!!
2. Secondly, thank you for your advice, but I do not recall ANYWHERE that I have EVER written the name Redwolf or associated ANY claim attached to that name in my postings, you and others have done that!!! I aplogise if if you feel I was out of order, and would like to state for the record that it is only MY OPINION.
3. My opinion is that there is NOT ANY actual PROOF of this, I mean ACTUAL DOCUMENTED PROOF, not just written or verbal diareahha.
4. Pretty much everything that has been written that is negative about TBE is a case for libel, because it IS an untruth (again, my opinion).
5. btw, my pseudo Native names are personal.
I added numbers to make it clearer what I'm replying to.
1. What is your name then, or what do you claim is your name? We won't call you by alleged Native names, unless you actually are Native. Do you claim to be?
2. The proof is right there in your repeated posts. Since your memory is faulty, just look again.
3. Your opinion is wrong. You have repeatedly been given written proof.
4. It takes more than being "negative" to constitute libel. It takes deliberate wrong information designed to harm someone. So far the only one doing that here is you, to Redwolf.
5. If you want them to remain personal, then quit using them in public.
Let me ask, do you consider yourself to be an EMB? How well do you know the group, alleged tribe? Could you tell us how you became involved with them?
I'm always curious about these groups claiming to be tribes. Sometimes they are made up of hundreds of people with sincere interest in learning about claims their family makde about their ancestry. Some are tiny,a few dozen.
But if the EMB are like the groups they act the most like, Nuwaubians, Washitaws, Binays, Nation of Islam, then we may be talking about an outright cult of hundreds at least. The Washitaws are a militia group. The Nuwaubians were heavily armed and their leader abused and raped dozens of children. The EMB certainly needs a long hard look.
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if anyone in this forum or outside of it, would like to call him and personally request any DOCUMENTS or CONTACT NAMES to verify that EVERYTHING he has asserted is TRUE and CORRECT!!!! The information you receive either written or verbal is to be kept confidential as it is personal.
You can, if you so choose, POST a statement after you have the ACTUAL proof you have requested, or have enough proof to confirm that what Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle claims is true, fact and correct, concerning the issue(s) you are wanting to confirm.
ITS TIME FOR THE FACTS and TRUTH!!
1-814-572-4137
I'm overseas, so calling would be difficult. But send me an IM and I'll give you my regular email. I'll be glad to look at anything sent to me, not just J/TBE/M but about the EMB.
Can you arrange that?
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Niawen Gowa Educated Indian for your responses! I can tell you factually, that Mr. Tecumseh Brown Eagle has lied about things. His mouthpiece now, she claims is not Cindy Hopkins when, so she is Cindy Hopson as her phone number has been provided to me, and it is Cindy Hopson not Cindy Hopkins. Small technicality out of the way. Now I dare her to say she is not Cindy Hopson. Then we know we have a real case on our hands.
[Private email address removed, as requested]
Cindy Loudoris and Cindy Hopson are the same person verifiable .
Now she wants people to contact TBE to become more confused and deceived by someone who can sell a good game, but we have found out his game, including the chiefs and clanmothers. We all know he is a fraud, as the message was brought to our council, by another of our chiefs and the people have been warned. He has also been lying about being a Mason, etc , etc., we have resources within our Confederacy that are able to track these things. We have also verified that the negative information about TBE that is posted from several sources, is all true, including those messages from other nations.
Tecumseh Brown Eagle also has been blocked from any involvement with Bruce Nuclear Power Plant, and any questions about that should not be directed to him. The Nuclear Power Plant issue has not even been discussed in our Confederacy Council as of yet, which is where all of these type of issues have to pass through first. Apparently Ms. Hopson and TBE have no respect for that process as they continue to ask people to defray any questions about this issue to TBE.
TBE should not be contacted on any of these issues, as per her request, and as already been forwarded to those that will take action!
MS. Hopson and TBE are not taking us seriously, and one day soon they will wish they had!
Don't mess with us Mohawks or the Six Nations Confederacy Ms. Hopson, and TBE , as we will show no mercy for your continual disrespect of our Confederacy Chiefs, Clanmothers, and those that the Confederacy has put in place to help them!
The Warning is clear!
Oneh
Niiki , Mohawk Bear Clan from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Re: TECUMSEH BROWN-EAGLE and claims made against him
Here is a link of response to her OTAH :http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/75 (http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/75)
In addition to this it has been verified by another Chief that the geneology that TBE has provided as is own is in FACT not his own!
What it does show is that because of his claim to a Moytoy1 which is what other Black Muslims have tried to claim shows his connection, as a Black Muslim! Truth!
Oneh
Niiki
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Thank you for the invitation to collect more information. The following has been sent as you suggested
Please forward any records and verification of enclosed personal claims made by: James Oliver Johnson III aka Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed.
As stated on - http://www.burlingtonnews.net/speaker-tecumseh.html
claims stated - “U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do /Karate; U.S.A. World Championship Karate Team Member; GOLD Medalist - US OLYMPIC Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do - National Champion Rep of US Of AAU All American Karate Team-America, in South America, France, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.
Forwarded to United States Olympic Committee (USOC), US Olympic Training Center, US Olympic Taewkondo Home Office, National Collegiate Sports Affiliation, US PASA (Pan-American Sports Association) USA National Karate Federation, American Athletics Association, Association of American Universities, World Taekwondo Association,
Please forward any records regarding the following statement as to membership in the FreeMasons and Shrine. It is not stated if he is claiming membership in Scottish Rite, or Knights Templar.
A Master Mason: of the 32nd Degree, Shriner and Past Master
Forwarded to, The US Supreme Council Scottish Rite, US Grand Council Knights Templar, US Grand Council Masonic Order. International Guild of Masonic Webmasters
as a PS - this is from where the infomation about there not being a US Olympic Karate team in existance yet, and that taekwondo was not an Olympic event until the 2000 games came from.
Your very welcome... I am the one who keyed the BIO for Tecumseh, so I shall apologise for a keying error.
It should read.......U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do/Karate: U.S.A. World Championship Karate Team Member; US Olympic Elite Athlete Tae Kwon Do; GOLD Medalist - National Champion Rep of US of AAU All American Karate Team-America, in South America, France, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. Sorry if this caused any inconvenience, there was a lot of information and I mistakenly put GOLD Medalist in the wrong spot. It was called the USA Karate Inc. at that time. He was representing the AAU Karate Team in Lexington, Kentucky, 1987 when he won the gold.
I do not know the rules of privacy of the Knights Templar, hopefully they will be able to give you the information you request, if not perhaps a personal request from Tecumseh himself will allow it. I am sure the fact that he wears the Masonic ring means nothing to some people, but it means a lot to him and me.
As well, if you find the requests for information a long time coming, I can supply you with 4 prominent contacts, I prefer to wait on doing that, but it would have to be to your personal email, not sure you would want that.
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if anyone in this forum or outside of it, would like to call him and personally request any DOCUMENTS or CONTACT NAMES to verify that EVERYTHING he has asserted is TRUE and CORRECT!!!! The information you receive either written or verbal is to be kept confidential as it is personal.
You can, if you so choose, POST a statement after you have the ACTUAL proof you have requested, or have enough proof to confirm that what Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle claims is true, fact and correct, concerning the issue(s) you are wanting to confirm.
ITS TIME FOR THE FACTS and TRUTH!!
1-814-572-4137
I'm overseas, so calling would be difficult. But send me an IM and I'll give you my regular email. I'll be glad to look at anything sent to me, not just J/TBE/M but about the EMB.
Can you arrange that?
When you get back from overseas, you can phone the number I previously provided and request the information directly from Tecumseh yourself.
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1. Firstly, my name is NOT Ms. Hopkins, whoever gave you that information is WRONG!!!!
2. Secondly, thank you for your advice, but I do not recall ANYWHERE that I have EVER written the name Redwolf or associated ANY claim attached to that name in my postings, you and others have done that!!! I aplogise if if you feel I was out of order, and would like to state for the record that it is only MY OPINION.
3. My opinion is that there is NOT ANY actual PROOF of this, I mean ACTUAL DOCUMENTED PROOF, not just written or verbal diareahha.
4. Pretty much everything that has been written that is negative about TBE is a case for libel, because it IS an untruth (again, my opinion).
5. btw, my pseudo Native names are personal.
I added numbers to make it clearer what I'm replying to.
1. What is your name then, or what do you claim is your name? We won't call you by alleged Native names, unless you actually are Native. Do you claim to be?
2. The proof is right there in your repeated posts. Since your memory is faulty, just look again.
3. Your opinion is wrong. You have repeatedly been given written proof.
4. It takes more than being "negative" to constitute libel. It takes deliberate wrong information designed to harm someone. So far the only one doing that here is you, to Redwolf.
5. If you want them to remain personal, then quit using them in public.
Let me ask, do you consider yourself to be an EMB? How well do you know the group, alleged tribe? Could you tell us how you became involved with them?
I'm always curious about these groups claiming to be tribes. Sometimes they are made up of hundreds of people with sincere interest in learning about claims their family makde about their ancestry. Some are tiny,a few dozen.
But if the EMB are like the groups they act the most like, Nuwaubians, Washitaws, Binays, Nation of Islam, then we may be talking about an outright cult of hundreds at least. The Washitaws are a militia group. The Nuwaubians were heavily armed and their leader abused and raped dozens of children. The EMB certainly needs a long hard look.
WHATEVER!!
and YES I CLAIM TO BE "PART" NATIVE!!
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Yes and we have much evidence and very little patience left for your hogwash Ms. Hopson!
[Possible vague threat removed]
Oneh!
Niiki
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In response to #4. It takes more than being "negative" to constitute libel. It takes deliberate wrong information designed to harm someone. So far the only one doing that here is you, to Redwolf.
Yes, and deliberate wrong information designed to harm someone has DEFINITELY happened, but not by me, as "I have not stated "Who" I base my opinions on.
How is this true as most of my opinions have been in reply to Niiki's or yourself and I have not included the name REDWOLF??
FYI, I am not the one who has outwardly threatened people in this forum!!
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If the Six Nation Confederacy wish to deal with TBE, and his organization, and you legally it is their right. As said before, if anyone chooses to withdrawal support of another it is their right. Mostly you are just puting up verbal attacks and challenges on people that do not have a lot of substance. What's the point?
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This notification was received today from the Grand Councel of Eries and sent to Tecumseh Brown Eagle:
It has been posted here:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/76 (http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/76)
Now let's see if Ms. Hopson will leash out her verbal and written libelous garbage about someone else who is legitimate in her defense of a "fraud"
Oneh
Niiki Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Wahyahahnae
I appreciate your honesty about your keyboarding error, however, I am not sure why this was not clarified earlier when I mentioned the US trainer’s response, and it still does not answer how he could have been an “U.S.A. Olympic Candidate - Tae Kwon Do/Karate” years before it was a official sport. I repeat, taekwondo (that’s how the international committee spells it) was not accepted until the 2000 games and Karate still is not official. I have checked the records in the USA Taekwondo archive and can not find his name listed in any official USA tournament as a winner or even as a competitor. If he competed under a different name please do forward that information to clear this up.
I also have questions another statement in that same bio.
Quoting bio - “Co-Chairman of over 29 tribes” What do you mean by over 29” Do you not know how many? Why can this not be listed as an exact number? Not that it matters, because – this statement is not legally possible?
Bottom line, Indian communities (I try to avoid using the term “tribe” when I can) are either recognized or organized, we’ve heard enough about recognized – state or federal. The other option is organized. No matter if we like it or not, if you reside within the borders of the US, pay taxes, have a passport, a driver’s licence, or any number of other elements of the infrastructure you fall under the jurisdiction of the United States Federal government. You break one of their laws you answer to their courts. On a reservation (with the restrictions of Crow Dog – you break a tribal law, depending on your enrolment and residency you may or may not be held accountable – but that’s another long story) Arguments about the justice of this are a mute point, especially in this particular discussion, it is just a fact of life. According to federal law all groups that are entitled to call themselves an tribal nation are subject to “United States Indian Law and jurisdiction” (that entitles you to, not only legal jurisdiction over your land, but the rights to govern your group, set up a government, set enrolment requirements, set taxes, control membership etc. etc.) With acknowledgement of a group, be they organized or fed/state recognized comes the obligation of the US federal government to protect those rights. (Wheeler-Howard/IRA and IFA 25 CA 1451) This includes the right (obligation) to establish a governing body. The leader of this body can be a President, chairman, governor, whatever. But there has to be a government to say that you are a protected entity. To be elected to an administrative position (president, chairman, governor) you MUST be enrolled in that nation. HOWEVER, by federal law, (and by the request of the Indian Nations) you can only be enrolled in ONE – only one, tribal nation. You can be what we call a hyphenated Indian Dine/ Apache/Ute, (I am) but you still can only be enrolled in one of them. You can not enrol in more than one nation, therefore you can NOT be a president, chairman, or governor to more than one nation. So you certainly can not be co-chairman to more than one group, much less 29. It is just not legal. And if you say that you are not under the rules of the US government, then you also are saying that you are not legally an Indian nation in any shape or form.
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"WHATEVER!!
and YES I CLAIM TO BE "PART" NATIVE!!"
Since Wahyahahnae, aka Shamush, Cindy Loudoris, Cindy Hopson, has decided to continue to bash those who are legitimate who know their nation and clan, for example as I have in many posts, indicated where I am from, and also in a previous post even identified who I am by clan.
We have yet to hear where this "part" native is coming from?? Is it from your mother's or father's side?
We have heard that you are carrying some sort of Algonquin Status card??? What is your nation and clan???
I think it is important for people in this group to know, that carrying a status card does not necessarily mean, that a person is legitimately native. As some people are carrying status cards who really don't qualify to carry them, as it all depends on who you know within the system, and sometimes a person can get one by submitting phoney genealogy, or genealogy not their own, and get a status card.
On a previous post " Joan Holmes" was mentioned and she herself has created a number of "fake" Algonquians, in order to build the Algonquian ranks, which has allowed "fake" Algonquian communities to spring up in Ontario, in order to lay fraudulent land claims on traditional Haudenosaunee Territory, which has also allowed the robbing of our peoples natural and cultural resources. People up here in Ontario, commented that have met TBE, is that his only motivation for what he does is that of "money" and "development." It has also been said by certain City officials, that they have felt he wanted to turn the mounds, into some sort of a " three ring circus" or some sort of "cash cow resort." Again trying to make money off of the Ancestors. Definitely not what motivates us in the preserving and protecting of our sacred sites,on this side of the imaginary line.
That is why Ms.Hopson, is being investigated to determine if there is some sort of tie into the
Joan Holmes " fake" Algonquians, or the "Algonquian Land Trust". As she continues to support someone who has been determined by many factual sources as a "fraud".
Here are some articles posted on Mohawk Nation News by Kahntinenta
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:8XbvFj9RqBQJ:www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenews.php%3Flang%3Den%26layout%3Dmnn%26category%3D58%26newsnr%3D560%26backurl%3D%252Fnews%252Fnews4.php%253Flang%253Den%2526layout%253Dmnn%2526category%253D58%2526sortorder%253D0%2526start%253D0+Mohawk+Nation+News+Algonquin+Land+Trust&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca
(http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:8XbvFj9RqBQJ:www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenews.php%3Flang%3Den%26layout%3Dmnn%26category%3D58%26newsnr%3D560%26backurl%3D%252Fnews%252Fnews4.php%253Flang%253Den%2526layout%253Dmnn%2526category%253D58%2526sortorder%253D0%2526start%253D0+Mohawk+Nation+News+Algonquin+Land+Trust&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca)
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:FjBC8aSxecYJ:www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenews.php%3Flang%3Den%26layout%3Dmnn%26newsnr%3D596%26backurl%3D%252Fnews%252Fnews3.php%253Flang%253Den%2526layout%253Dmnn%2526sortorder%253D0%26srcscript%3D/news/news3.php+Mohawk+Nation+News+fake+Algonquins+Joan+Holmes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:FjBC8aSxecYJ:www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singlenews.php%3Flang%3Den%26layout%3Dmnn%26newsnr%3D596%26backurl%3D%252Fnews%252Fnews3.php%253Flang%253Den%2526layout%253Dmnn%2526sortorder%253D0%26srcscript%3D/news/news3.php+Mohawk+Nation+News+fake+Algonquins+Joan+Holmes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca)
Oneh
Niiki Bear Clan Mohawk from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Kosowith I am waiting on letters (from prominent people). If you send me an offline, with your email address I will forward them to you upon receipt as well as pictures(s), and other important documents. Please be patient. Moote point: I was asking my son if he has gone through anything distasteful that makes certain words stand out in his mind for days afterwards, he said "yes", then I explained to him there were certain words that I just could not get out of my head after various past situations, words like............. hater, controlling, envy, wannabe and the "green-eyed" monster. His response was...... If a battle is to help the good, then "it's not what you do, it's WHY you do it"! You ever have those types of situations? Random question: Do you know anyone that likes crow? Because ..... I know this hateful little man who is going to be eating a lot of it soon, but the sad part of it is.... he has coerced some very special people to the table toooo. But, that is okay, because HE will be eating most of the wretched meal. Why? because he has never learned how to do battle. I don't know about you, but I have never entered the battlefield unless I was more than 100% of what I was fighting for. Again, please be patient.
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RESPONSE: OH REALLY?Huh? My, you do know a lot about this don't you???
The "Truth" Shall Prevail
Yes and in the next couple of days the truth shall prevail, and the number of altered documents that Tecumseh has presented as official documents shall be made known!!
And we know of others that have tried the same game, and have been exposed! And Tecumseh will be exposed for what he really is, and he isn't an Erie! Anyone can gather letters of support who will lie for someone! Letters from certain prominent people proves nothing at all! Who are you kidding?
Oneh!
Niiki Mohawk Tyendinaga Territory
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Both Hopson and Niiki have done quite a bit of spamming, mostly childish insults. Sometimes really childish..."Oh yeah?" "Whatever!" That stops now. I had to throw out eight posts to make this thread even readable, and still just barely.
Hopson asked that her email address be deleted, and I've done that. There was also a comment that kinda sorta coulda been vaguely considered a threat, and so I deleted that.
Watch it Niiki.
As much as I agree with the rightness of your cause, take more care in what you say.
Hopson, you really need to grow up and discuss things C-A-L-M-L-Y.
No more hysteria.
No more writing in all caps for most of your posts.
No more quoting an entire post just to give a two word answer. Only quote what you need to, like a sentence or two.
No more childish comments like "Whatever!" esp when we're dealing with very serious matters, namely your defense of a Black supremacist who impersonates being the chief of a tribe which is clearly not a tribe.
J/TBE/M is clearly influenced by some very dangerous people, and for you to dismiss that so casually says some very disturbing things.
You've been given proof over and over and over again, but you still scream and whine continually that you don't see it. Actually you refuse to see it. I don't see any point in trying to convince you, because you choose to be willfully blind.
So instead I'd simply like to ask you (yet again, since you've deliberately refused to answer before several times)...
How did you get involved with J/TBE/M and his "tribe"?
Could you just tell us about the people in this "tribe"?
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From: Chief WALTER T. RENZ
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Notification on Tecumseh and EIMTN
Bazon ,
First I say Niawah for your chioces you have made.
I agree with your seperation from Brown Eagle.
1.He has not recieved his name in the ways we know to recieve them. 2.And he has not kept his word with many other Tribes in words turned out to be lies.
3.There For this we also have not had no contact with him.
4.He was given a chance to prove his lineage to me. And with know documents to prove him self has caused us to also stop all information trades as well.
5.There for his name will not be spoken by us from now on.
I hope that I have not broken your trust to help each other in all Tribes working together to protect the Mounds all over. And much more. The Six Nations has not done no wrong by me. For we are at peace. I hope we all can work as well as we have before his arival on Mother Earth. There is much more better things down the road for all of us to do I beleive.
Paselo
Hokema Wiipekwikwatwi Kakaanoaalowe/Chief Grayclouud Longtail
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Johnson is on youtube. Simply put TBE into the search and three short vids come up of a press conference with perhaps three reporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWkJCwB2_0Q
He made a statement last October calling for Ohioans to vote for a pro casino proposition. In that statement he says they have 139 members "in many different states" and their would be tribe has a construction business, a furniture store, and audiovisual business. Perhaps not coincidentally, these are the same kinds of businesses the Nation of Islam generally tries to set up with their members.
Like has been discussed in other threads, this is a good example of how phony tribes can do damage to the real ones. He manages to make quite a lot of confused statements about Indian law in just 10 minutes. "We don't need federal approval to start a casino." "The United Nations will recognize us." etc. It's just pure dumb luck no anti NDN or anti casino groups have seized upon his statements so far.
He also mentions he lives in Ohio but has residence at Salamanca on the Allegheny rez, perhaps to give the impression that he's recognized by the Seneca. Uh uh. I've been to Salamanca for a powwow once. Virtually the whole town is non-NDN, living there without paying rent for many decades until the law finally recognized they have to pay their true landlords, the Seneca Nation.
And Johnson talks about his people having been here "12,000 years." Apparently he believes in the Bering Strait (BS) Theory.
By a funny coincidence there's also some interesting vids linked there debunking the other Black supremacy/"Black Indian" groups. These are the same groups Johnson is obviouslyn influenced by, at the very least.
Malachi York leader of the Nuwaubians admits his molestation of 40 children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JGqKYA6rXs&feature=related
Nuwaubian cult survivors speaking out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7HfCczZCho&feature=related
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Moote point: I was asking my son if he has gone through anything distasteful that makes certain words stand out in his mind for days afterwards, he said "yes", then I explained to him there were certain words that I just could not get out of my head after various past situations, words like............. hater, controlling, envy, wannabe and the "green-eyed" monster. His response was...... If a battle is to help the good, then "it's not what you do, it's WHY you do it"! You ever have those types of situations? Random question: Do you know anyone that likes crow? Because ..... I know this hateful little man who is going to be eating a lot of it soon, but the sad part of it is.... he has coerced some very special people to the table toooo. But, that is okay, because HE will be eating most of the wretched meal. Why? because he has never learned how to do battle. I don't know about you, but I have never entered the battlefield unless I was more than 100% of what I was fighting for. Again, please be patient.
As Educated indian has pointed out that Ms. Hopson, has refused to answer questions put to her on this thread, instead she lashes out with childish temper tantrums and attacks on those who are under the Shelter of Our Great Law and Great Tree of Peace.
It looks like Ms. Hopson has a mirror at her computer as she herself has Green eyes, blond hair, and very, very light skin and is acting like a monster. She also stated that she is " part Indian". Those of us "Bloods" like to have fun with people that make those kind of statements about themselves. Because, it usually indicates that they themselves don't know really who they are.
Again Ms. Hopson, what clan and nation are you? And this "part native", is it on your mother's or father's side??? Or maybe it is found in your little toe!! Because your posts indicate that you do not possess the traits of a "Blood".
Time to fessup and stop the childish tempur tantrums and answer our questions.
Oneh
Niiki from Mohawk Tyendinaga Territory
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J/TBE/M is clearly influenced by some very dangerous people, and for you to dismiss that so casually says some very disturbing things.
I would really appreciate it if you would call me Wahyahahnae. No more writing in caps, it wasn't meant to come across as yelling, just wanted to be sure the words were seen. Sorry about quoting an entire quote, after I posted a couple of times I thought "Ooops", I forgot to delete most of the quote. I will try to keep my emotionals separate as this IS a very serious matter.
As for my defense of a "Black supremacist who impersonates bing the chief of a tribe which is clearly not a tribe", it will be proven false by forthcoming by legal documentation.
Thanking you
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J/TBE/M is clearly influenced by some very dangerous people, and for you to dismiss that so casually says some very disturbing things.
I would really appreciate it if you would call me Wahyahahnae.
This name that you want everyone to refer to you by " Wahyahahnae" , how did you receive this name?
I note than other previous posts, you also refer to yourself as "Shamush".
Then you say you are "part native". On 2 other occassions, I asked you what nation and what clan you belong to??? You did not answer my question. I also asked you what side of your family, this " part native" is from, mother's or father's side??? No answer!
I also believe that Educated Indian asked you 2 times, about how got involved with TBE and EIMTN and these people are??? No answer to his questions. Instead you either go off on temper tantrums, attacking others that are not involved,and are not supporting TBE, or you tell us about an alleged "legal document", that will prove that he is not connected to Black Muslims. So we will see what this so-called proof is, and scrutinize it to make sure it is a legal document, and not an altered document, like the rest that he has provided before.
Since you have not answered the question of your "Nativeness" there is a huge question in my mind as to whether you really are!! Or you don't know who you really are!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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J/TBE/M is clearly influenced by some very dangerous people, and for you to dismiss that so casually says some very disturbing things.
I would really appreciate it if you would call me Wahyahahnae. No more writing in caps, it wasn't meant to come across as yelling, just wanted to be sure the words were seen. Sorry about quoting an entire quote, after I posted a couple of times I thought "Ooops", I forgot to delete most of the quote. I will try to keep my emotionals separate as this IS a very serious matter.
As for my defense of a "Black supremacist who impersonates bing the chief of a tribe which is clearly not a tribe", it will be proven false by forthcoming by legal documentation.
Thanking you
We will see about this so-called forthcoming legal documentation, as there will be forthcoming documentation proving that TBE has altered legal documents in order to set himself up as he has!!
So we will all verify this so-called legal documentation that you say is forthcoming!!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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J/TBE/M is clearly influenced by some very dangerous people, and for you to dismiss that so casually says some very disturbing things.
I would really appreciate it if you would call me Wahyahahnae. No more writing in caps, it wasn't meant to come across as yelling, just wanted to be sure the words were seen. Sorry about quoting an entire quote, after I posted a couple of times I thought "Ooops", I forgot to delete most of the quote. I will try to keep my emotionals separate as this IS a very serious matter.
As for my defense of a "Black supremacist who impersonates bing the chief of a tribe which is clearly not a tribe", it will be proven false by forthcoming by legal documentation.
Thanking you
TBE's video is very good. These people are tied to violent cultists, so they want the public to believe that they are legitimate. What always amazes me about cultists is that they assume that everyone is too stupid to expose them. They prey on igorance and guilt for power and they victimize vulnerable weak people. I have watched this whole "black Indian" phenomenon grow since the 1988 book by Katz, Black Indians:A Hidden Heritage. Millions of black people who are seeking their roots have been influenced by these charlatans. Race in America plays mind games on people, particularly black people.Many want to have an alternative identity, and choosing to be Indian is one that many take. Yes there was race mixing in colonial America between Indians, black and whites, however that did not make black people Indians and it is greatly overrated. Henry Louis Gates disproved that myth using DNA.
Race and self hatred are behind much of this phenomenon, also hatred of what are seen as European traits. Almost every so called black Indian claims to have an ancestor who "looked" Indian, who was most like a mulatto, but because of mulatto self hatred claimed to be Indian.
I have Indian ancestry, however I don't claim to "be" Indian, because my parents and grandparents didn't live in Indian communities or practice traditions. I a concerned that non Indian people, i.e. new age whites and black racial nationalists try to steal the identity of Indian/Aboriginal people. I support Al Carroll's work exposing fraud, cultists and wannabees and hope that he continues to make enemies, because that means he's doing a great job. As a Canadian I am particularly concerned when I see the phenomenon here too.
We will see about this so-called forthcoming legal documentation, as there will be forthcoming documentation proving that TBE has altered legal documents in order to set himself as he has!!
So we will all verify this so-called legal documentation that you say is forthcoming!!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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I agree with you Don!
Niiki
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If the Six Nation Confederacy wish to deal with TBE, and his organization, and you legally it is their right. As said before, if anyone chooses to withdrawal support of another it is their right. Mostly you are just puting up verbal attacks and challenges on people that do not have a lot of substance. What's the point?
Hello there.
I highly doubt any Confederacy Chief gave this guy the time of day, or took him seriously for that matter. Maybe someone from Tyendinaga did, maybe an elected councilperson, but a Roiianer? The Confederacy and Council Chief's have better things to do then meet up with people like this Brown.
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It has come to our attention that Tecumseh's request for recognition by the Six Nations Confederacy Council has been refused since it never passed through the Seneca Fire at Tonawanda.
Therefore since the traditional government of the Six Nations doesn't recognize him or EIMTN, nor does the US or Canadian governments, nor does any provision under the UN Declaration of Indigenous Peoples, his hopes for recognition or support is "dead in the water". Squashed!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
I'm sorry; this is all just laughable to me....lol. ;D
I think some people have far too much imagination to ever believe that the Confederacy Chiefs were involved in anything as cartoonish as recognizing this guy.
Confederacy Chief’s are intelligent men chosen for their ability to reason and to keep a good mind. If they even know about this, which is doubtful, there is no way they ever thought this guy was legit. But like all tribes, they have to deal with people coming out of the woodwork thinking they are the Grand Emperor of some extinct tribe. Of course, as Roiianer’s, they are diplomatic and not rude, but probably burst into laughter when they leave.
The question for me, is, how you ever thought he was legit, Niiki?
Bytw, this my own opinions and everything is “allegedly” in case Niiki wants to sue me. Hehe. You can always take me to the Peacemaker’s court at Akwesasne, since traditional Longhouse/Great Law people are not supposed to use US/Canada courts. Also, international jurisdiction applies as well making it very expensive to sue, as I’m sure your “attorney” has told you.
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It has come to our attention that Tecumseh's request for recognition by the Six Nations Confederacy Council has been refused since it never passed through the Seneca Fire at Tonawanda.
Therefore since the traditional government of the Six Nations doesn't recognize him or EIMTN, nor does the US or Canadian governments, nor does any provision under the UN Declaration of Indigenous Peoples, his hopes for recognition or support is "dead in the water". Squashed!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
I'm sorry; this is all just laughable to me....lol. ;D
I think some people have far too much imagination to ever believe that the Confederacy Chiefs were involved in anything as cartoonish as recognizing this guy.
Confederacy Chief’s are intelligent men chosen for their ability to reason and to keep a good mind. If they even know about this, which is doubtful, there is no way they ever thought this guy was legit. But like all tribes, they have to deal with people coming out of the woodwork thinking they are the Grand Emperor of some extinct tribe. Of course, as Roiianer’s, they are diplomatic and not rude, but probably burst into laughter when they leave.
The question for me, is, how you ever thought he was legit, Niiki?
Bytw, this my own opinions and everything is “allegedly” in case Niiki wants to sue me. Hehe. You can always take me to the Peacemaker’s court at Akwesasne, since traditional Longhouse/Great Law people are not supposed to use US/Canada courts. Also, international jurisdiction applies as well making it very expensive to sue, as I’m sure your “attorney” has told you.
And where have you been Ennisko:wa in the past week and a half in this thread ???
In February 2008 TBE did go the Grand River Confederacy Council and ask them for support and recognition! I take it you were not there in Feb. 2008. As you have not been here in this thread until now. So the laugh is on you!!
Also because sometimes things are not always communicated from over there to over here, the Chiefs over here were waiting on the answer from the Seneca fire over there. The word had not gotten back to the Council over here, until about 2 weeks ago that the issue of his request for recognition was "dead in the water". Confirmed by Tonawanda Traditional Council. Not always do all of the chiefs show up for Council, and things get put under the pillow, and because of the amount of issues to be dealt with, are forgotten about. That is what happened in this case.
Were you at the Council on Saturday when documentation was passed out to the Chiefs about this matter? No I don't think so! Since no one from Akwesasne was there!!
Now because the situation with TBE has gotten serious over his interferance in the Nuclear Power issue at Nanticoke, the issue had to be brought back out from under the pillow and dealt with. So unless you know all of the details or the full story, it is best to leave some of your comments to yourself.
As I do know the Great Law and all about Our Law versus their law.
The chiefs all know about this guy!! Especially even more so now.
And TBE will be dealt with along with EIMTN by more than one as they have offended many!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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And where have you been Ennisko:wa in the past week and a half in this thread
In February 2007 TBE did go the Grand River Confederacy Council and ask them for support and recognition! I take it you were not there in Feb. 2007. As you have not been here in this thread until now. So the laugh is on you!!
Also because sometimes things are not always communicated from over there to over here, the Chiefs over here were waiting on the answer from the Seneca fire over there. The word had not gotten back to the Council over here, until about 2 weeks ago that the issue of his request for recognition was "dead in the water". Confirmed by Tonawanda Traditional Council. Not always do all of the chiefs show up for Council, and things get put under the pillow, and because of the amount of issues to be dealt with, are forgotten about. That is what happened in this case.
Were you at the Council on Saturday when documentation was passed out to the Chiefs about this matter? No I don't think so! Since no one from Akwesasne was there!!
Now because the situation with TBE has gotten serious over his interferance in the Nuclear Power issue at Nanticoke, the issue had to be brought back out from under the pillow and dealt with. So unless you know all of the details or the full story, it is best to leave some of your comments to yourself.
As I do know the Great Law and all about Our Law versus their law.
The chiefs all know about this guy!! Especially even more so now.
And TBE will be dealt with along with EIMTN by more than one as they have offended many!
Oneh
Now why would I be at a Confederacy meeting at Grand River? Were you there?
But, okay, I'll bite. Give me the names of the Confederacy Chief's at Grand River whom he asked for recognition. Then give me the names of the other Confederacy Chief's involved. Since I have family at Grand River, at the Tonawanda Rez and my cousin is a runner, it shouldn't be too hard to verify your story that they ever took recognizing this guy seriously.
I look foward to your response. ;)
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You never answered my question, Niiki.
What made you ever think this guy was legit? What made you think a guy that looks 100% African American was Indian? Shouldn't that have been your first clue?
I'm sorry, but I'm finding your posts very amusing. :D
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You never answered my question, Niiki.
What made you ever think this guy was legit? What made you think a guy that looks 100% African American was Indian? Shouldn't that have been your first clue?
I'm sorry, but I'm finding your posts very amusing. :D
The answer to your question, is that some people, even some of our chiefs, took him at face value, until otherwise proven. I knew he had black ancestry, which he went out of his way to deny. The chiefs took him at his word, until they did more research on him, and they put his request under the pillow. You can verify the fact that he was there and spoke, with the Secretary, since you seem to know so much, you will know who the secretary is.
And I am finding your posts amuzing, because you are showing yourself to be an ass!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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And where have you been Ennisko:wa in the past week and a half in this thread
In February 2007 TBE did go the Grand River Confederacy Council and ask them for support and recognition! I take it you were not there in Feb. 2007. As you have not been here in this thread until now. So the laugh is on you!!
Also because sometimes things are not always communicated from over there to over here, the Chiefs over here were waiting on the answer from the Seneca fire over there. The word had not gotten back to the Council over here, until about 2 weeks ago that the issue of his request for recognition was "dead in the water". Confirmed by Tonawanda Traditional Council. Not always do all of the chiefs show up for Council, and things get put under the pillow, and because of the amount of issues to be dealt with, are forgotten about. That is what happened in this case.
Were you at the Council on Saturday when documentation was passed out to the Chiefs about this matter? No I don't think so! Since no one from Akwesasne was there!!
Now because the situation with TBE has gotten serious over his interferance in the Nuclear Power issue at Nanticoke, the issue had to be brought back out from under the pillow and dealt with. So unless you know all of the details or the full story, it is best to leave some of your comments to yourself.
As I do know the Great Law and all about Our Law versus their law.
The chiefs all know about this guy!! Especially even more so now.
And TBE will be dealt with along with EIMTN by more than one as they have offended many!
Oneh
Now why would I be at a Confederacy meeting at Grand River? Were you there?
But, okay, I'll bite. Give me the names of the Confederacy Chief's at Grand River whom he asked for recognition. Then give me the names of the other Confederacy Chief's involved. Since I have family at Grand River, at the Tonawanda Rez and my cousin is a runner, it shouldn't be too hard to verify your story that they ever took recognizing this guy seriously.
I look foward to your response. ;)
Yes I was there, and there both times, and I am very closely associated with others who were associated with him and know the full story on him. I sent you the names of the Chiefs involved in private.
So you may verify away!
Oneh
Niiki
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Here is the awaited verification that Tecumseh is not who he says he is received from :
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:40:46 -0400
Subject: TBE James Oliver Johnson Lineage found (Part 1)
From: "Chief WALTER T. RENZ" <renzsilver@hotmail.com>
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No one in the Senica lands or mine will be eating Crow tonight. But Tecumseh will be.
There are no connection for him to claim. All past in Oklahoma or other places.
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 00:11:34 -0700
From: Researcher
Subject: TBE James Oliver Johnson Lineage found (Part 1)
To: renzsilver@hotmail.com
As per family tree TBE aka James Oliver Johnson III,
b. 29 May 1957, Erie, PA
James Oliver Johnson II, Father, b. 22 Dec 1923, NY, NY
d. 4 Dec 2001
Mar: 19 Dec 1955 to
Othello Davis Myers, Mother, b. 5 Jun 1926, Alquippa, PA (Aliquippa spelled wrong)
d. 2003, Erie PA
Grandparents:
James Oliver Johnson, b. 15 Jan, 1887, Washington, PA
FOUND:
Father is JOHN Newton Johnson, (NOT JAMES Newton Johnson)
b. 1843 VA, Black, Male, Parents born VA
Married to MARY (UKN), b. Jul 1866, Black, Female, b. PA; Parents b. PA
(Spouse #2) for 8 years: have 3 of 4 living
children under age of 8:
Arthur John N. Johnson, Black, Male, Single
Harry Alonzo " , Black Male, Single
Julius LeMoyne " , Black Male, Single (less than 1 yr. old)
The other children listed as sons and daughters are from a previous spouse UNKNOWN:
(Half Siblings of above children all born PA, Ftr. b. VA, Mtr. b. MARYLAND
i. Emma V. Johnson, 17, F, Black, Dau, Occupation Servant
ii. Mary, 16, F, Black, Dau, Occupation Servant
iii. Martha, 16, F, Black, Dau (Twin of Mary, both b. May 1884
iv. JAMES OLIVER, b. 1887, Black, Male, At School
John N. Johnson is age 57 in 1900 Census and a Driver, Ice wagon
Washington Boro, Washington, PA
Found:
John N.Johnson, b. 1843 VA, age 7 in 1850 Census (Southern District, Bedford, VA)
With Household/Parents:
1097 0097 William Johnson 46 M Farmer 1600 (Value of Estate Owned) Likely WHITE as no color listed except if B or Black on others)
All of the family is Born VA:
Lucinda Johnson (wife) 33, F
Sarah or Saiah? 15, F
Artivimuh?, 13, F
Thomas N. 11, M
William N. 9 M
JOHN N. 7 M **************************
George W. (or N.) 5 M
Mary E (or V) 2 F
Martha T 2 F (another set of twins?)
(this family is likely White; and the two twin girls are also named the same as John Newton Johnson's Twin girls: Mary & Martha in 1900 census.)
(The above are likely TBE's lines. NOT Mary Watts & James Newton Johnson)
James Oliver Johnson aka TBE's Father:
James JOHNSON
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1923
Death Date: 4 Sep 2001
Social Security Number: [Deleted]
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Pennsylvania
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 16503
Localities: Erie, Erie, Pennsylvania
TBE's Mother:
Othello JOHNSON
Birth Date: 5 Jun 1926
Death Date: 2 Jul 2003
Social Security Number: [Deleted]
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Pennsylvania
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 16503
Localities: Erie, Erie, Pennsylvania
(Why isn't the Month and day for Othello Death on family tree Powerpoint from erie site?)
No further records for parents yet.
Grandparents:
Greatgrandfather: ONLY one found b. VA living in PA in 1880, (James Oliver Johnson I was b. in Washington, PA 1887)
James JOHNSON Household
Male
Other Information:
Birth Year <1843>
Birthplace VA
Age 37
Occupation Laborer
Marital Status W <Widowed>
Race B <Black>
Head of Household James JOHNSON
Relation Self
Father's Birthplace VA
Mother's Birthplace VA
Source Information:
Census Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Family History Library Film 1255171
NA Film Number T9-1171
Page Number 426D
Male, Black, Widow in Phila. Household with him:
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
James JOHNSON Self W Male B 37 VA Laborer VA VA
William HILL Other M Male B 26 WV Works In Restaurant WV WV
Sarah HILL Other M Female B 24 PA PA PA
George HILL Other S Male B 6 PA WV VA
Louis THOMPSON Other M Male B 26 WEST INDIES Restauranteer W. I. W. I.
Amelia THOMPSON Other M Female B 25 DE DE DE
Lewis THOMPSON Other S Male B 3M PA W. I. PA
Anna LEWIS Other S Female B 11 PA At School WV PA
Source Information:
Census Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Family History Library Film 1255171
NA Film Number T9-1171
Page Number 426D
So he may have been married three times.
Previous Household:
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Benjamin POSEY Self M Male B 53 MD White Washer MD MD
Ansley POSEY Wife M Female B 43 VA Keeps House VA VA
Benjamin POSEY Son S Male B 14 PA At School MD VA
Edward POSEY Son S Male B 11 PA At School MD VA
Jno. HARPER Other M Male B 30 PA Waiter PA PA
Ellen RILEY Other S Female MU 17 MD MD MD
Next Household:
Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Susan HARRIS Self W Female B 58 NJ Keeping House NJ NJ
Edward HARRIS Son S Male B 30 PA Messenger VA NJ
Jno. HARRIS Son M Male B 26 PA Waiter VA NJ
Cora HARRIS DauL M Female B 22 MD MD MD
James JACKSON Nephew S Male B 27 PA Ice Cream Maker PA NJ
LEONA JOHNSON (BUTLER?) (Great Grandmother):
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Results for: Leona Butler [refine search] [Print]
Birth/Christening, 1882, United States
Exact Spelling: Off
Matches: All Sources - 3
International Genealogical Index - North America
1. Leona Butler - International Genealogical Index / NA
Gender: Female Birth: 02 APR 1882 Laketon, Wabash, Indiana
2. Leona L. Butler - International Genealogical Index / NA
Gender: Female Birth: About 1882 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
3. Leona L. Butler - International Genealogical Index / NA
Gender: Female Birth: About 1882 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Matches: International Genealogical Index/North America - 3
Either her name was not Butler or was Butler, b. 1882, he says.
Here are details for each. LEONA BUTLER IS NOT YET FOUND IN 1880 Census.
Need to check www.labs.familysearch.org/
1.
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
North America
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Leona Butler Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
02 APR 1882 Laketon, Wabash, Indiana
Christening:
Death:
27 OCT 1964
Burial:
Parents:
Father: William J. Butler Family
Mother: Louisa Rager
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
Parents of Leona Butler:
Louisa Rager Pedigree
Female Family
Event(s):
Birth:
26 SEP 1850 , , Ohio
Christening:
Death:
18 SEP 1924 , Wabash, Indiana
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: William J. Butler Family
Marriage:
19 APR 1874 Laketon, Wabash, Indiana
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
William J. Butler Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: Louisa Rager Family
Marriage:
19 APR 1874 Laketon, Wabash, Indiana
Source Information:
No source information is available.
2. (Cherokee Leona L. Butler "1"):
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Leona L. Butler Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1882 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death:
About 1982 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
Parents:
Father: Aaron Butler Family
Mother: Nora McKay
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
Her Parents: (According to USER SUBMITTED INFO; NOT DOCUMENTED!)
Aaron Butler Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1857 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death:
About 1957 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: Nora McKay Family
Marriage:
About 1880 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
Nora McKay Pedigree
Female Family
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1858 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death:
About 1958 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: Aaron Butler Family
Marriage:
About 1880 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
CHILDREN:
Children
1. Leona L. Butler Pedigree
Female
Birth: About 1882 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death: About 1982 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
2. Emmett Butler Pedigree
Male
Birth: About 1888 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death: 17 OCT 1902 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
3. Charles C. Butler Pedigree
Male
Birth: About 1894 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death: About 1994 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
3. OR this USER SUBMITTED Leona L. Butler:
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Leona L. Butler Pedigree
Female Family
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1882 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death:
About 1982 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: Henry C. Martin Family
Marriage:
14 AUG 1904 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
Henry C. Martin Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
About 1880 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Christening:
Death:
About 1980 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: Leona L. Butler Family
Marriage:
14 AUG 1904 , Cherokee Tribe, Native American
Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.
The last Leona Butler DIED 1982 NOT 1926 in NY as TBE says! Also, no FIRST Name for
McKay (first name in tree) as Leona L. Butler's Mother (Nora) here.
IT CANNOT BE THE SAME Leona L. Butler in Cherokee Roll based on death date conflict among other things.
It could be number 1, but this is not a person in a census in 1880, which she should be in if born in 1882, according to TBE aka James Oliver Johnson, III.
Notice the Submitters have 2 different husbands for Leona L. Butler: Butler or Martin
From rootsweb ancestry link we have: (sent by TBE):
Native American Data for Leona L Butler
Name: Butler, Leona L
Tribe: Cherokee
Record Type: enrollment
Age: 18
Sex: F
Enrollment Type: BB (By Blood)
Blood %: 1/2
Card No.: 1801
Roll No.: 4760
Credit belongs to the staff of SW National Archives, Fort Worth, Texas, who compiled the names from the Dawes Enrollment Cards for its National Archives
Others with this Family:
Surname First Name Type Sex Age Blood %
Butler Darcus P (Parent) F
Butler Eli P (Parent) M
McKay Charlotte P (Parent) F
Butler Aaron BB (By Blood) M 43 1/2
Butler Nora BB (By Blood) F 42 1/2
Butler Leona L BB (By Blood) F 18 1/2
Butler Emmett BB (By Blood) M 12 1/2
Butler Charles C BB (By Blood) M 6 1/2
Charlotte McKay Not Nora McKay.
Aaron Butler as likely spouse of Nora Butler. (Maiden name therefore Unknown, or Charlotte McKay as mother of Leona L. Butler? Leona is listed as 1/2 Cherokee.
There is NO Leona McKay in the 1880 Census found.
Finally, NO MARY WATTS found in Tahlequh, Cherokee, or Cherokee Nation, OKLAHOMA.
There IS a Leona Butler in the 1900 Census as a Daughter in Cherokee Census with:
William Butler 1/2 Black or white
Leona L. 1/2 Black or white
Emmet C. 1/2 Black or white
Charles C. 1/2 Black or white
The other info says that
Aaron Butler is the Husband. In this one she is the brother and sister of those listed above on one page and previous page daughter of
Aaron H. 1/4 Cherokee, b. Apr 1858 in I.T. Father was b. GA Mother b. GA
Nora S. 1/2 Cherokee, b. Oct 1857 in I.T., Father b. UNK (White), Mother b. GA
Married 28 years. Aaron Butler is a Farmer.
(There is no Elijah (Reverand Elowhie Butler as per TBE found, as father of Aaronbut may be found in GA? Need to do search.
However, the BIGGEST error is that Leona DID NOT DIE in NY! in 1926. (According to the IGI records above, if correct.)
There are many Leona L. Butler names at www.labs.familysearch.org/
This Leona L. Butler cannot be TBE's great grandmother, wife of James Oliver Johnson I.
There is a L.L. Johnson, as daughter of a A. H. & L.M. Johnson, b. 1887 in NY at the labs link, and lived in Edinboro Borough, Erie PA in 1900. TBE says his Leona L. Butler, wife of James Oliver Johnson of Washington, PA and died Erie PA, died in Ny, NY in 1926...
Needs lots more research for Leona and the other names in TBE's Powerpoint "family tree".
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
[Al's note-deleted social security numbers.]
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From: renzsilver@hotmail.com
To: tbeagle@neo.rr.com
Subject: RE: Butlers Paternal Grandmother Leona Butler
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 10:06:38 -0400
Tecumseh,
I had 3 different people looking for me. 1 in Oklahoma 1 in North Carolina. 1 In pa. And me.
I have found no connection for your Butler that matchs our peoples. Or that Tsaligi blood as well. And Watts do not match your claim as well.
It seems that one of your members has said that I and members would be eating Crow for dinner. And the Senica as well.
Well I really find that your member that said that will be eating Crow insted. It really is not bad.
I have searched with no connections to any of your people.
Be proud of who you are. Be what you are.
Have a nice day Tecumseh.
Paselo,Oneh,
Chief Walter Renz
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:39:06 +0000
> From: tbeagle@neo.rr.com
> To: renzsilver@hotmail.com
> Subject: Butlers Paternal Grandmother Leona Butler
>
> Chief Renz
> I am away from my computer and these are US Dept of Interior documents have others who question me produce the same
> --
>
> Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chairman
> Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
> http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/
> 814-572-4137 fax/voice mail 877-822-6285
> Healing, Compassion, Respect, Responsibility, Accountability
> We accept results not excuses!
> tbeagle@neo.rr.com tecumseh@eriemoundbuilders.com
> Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message is legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, saving or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.
> "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win"
> Gandhi
>
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niiki i was reading your post #91 ,i got to say i have never met a BLOOd that behaves like you.
you demand to know this persons clan,what tribe she is from etc.
I was taught that my name ,my clan,my colors,if i have helpers ,how many helpers,who those helpers are,are all scared and very personnal information,why would anyone tell you anything the way you behave.
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Tecumseh Brown Eagle is NOT an Indian. He's a member of the Washitaw/Nuwabians and the Nation of Islam. From his history and genealogy it would be safe to say that he probably has no Indian blood. Having seen how these black racist cults work, they have nothing to do with Indians, because they believe that they are God's chosen people. They simply want to exploit people's ignorance and prejudice. This group wants to get recognition so that they can get a casino, that's all, easy money. TBE is in the following yahoogroups, blackindiansopenforum@yahoogroups.com and bnaa@yahoogroups.com. The Washitaw group was shutdown by yahoogroups as far as I know.
This man has been impersonating an Indian for years and some really gullible black people and even some white new agers on both sides of the border have been sucked in. He is like all black Muslims a believer in UFOs and Planet X. They believe that Elijah Muhammed and W.D. Fard (founder of the Nation of Islam) will return to earth and destroy whites in their view of the "rapture".
These people are dangerous haters and are listed as a race hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center.
One thing that I have learned about these people is that they are ruthless and will stop at nothing to silence anyone who opposes them and their agenda.
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niiki i was reading your post #91 ,i got to say i have never met a BLOOd that behaves like you.
you demand to know this persons clan,what tribe she is from etc.
I was taught that my name ,my clan,my colors,if i have helpers ,how many helpers,who those helpers are,are all scared and very personnal information,why would anyone tell you anything the way you behave.
And I have met one that behaves like you, Bullhead ... The one that you are referring to Ms. Hopson, as she not only refused to answer my questions, but also Educated Indian, the Moderator of this group. She used the excuse that it is "personal". Other of our woman also disagree with you, as they are proud of who they are, the nation and clan that they belong to, and have no trouble telling people that information when they are asked. Apparently you have never been to Grand River as that is the first thing that is asked of someone that the people don't know. So your post is no indication of anything. What it does indicate is your ignorance about our Community at Six Nations, and we are much the same at Tyendinaga.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Its clear to folks on both sides of the border that TBE is trying to identify himself and his group as a legitimate nation and himself as a chief. I believe that if someone claims to be associated with your people and nation that he should have to explain what the basis of that is. TBE has claimed to be both an black supremacist, a Cherokee chief, and the chief of a non existent tribe, why should he not have to provide proof to those people who he has insulted. TBE is just an opportunist and sees an opportunity to rip people off and clai to represent their culture. That's wrong.
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Anyone who would like a full version of the emails sent, today, by Chief Longtail,
you can send me a private message with your email address or you can go to these links:
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/78
(http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/78)
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/79 (http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/79)
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/80 (http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/taiaiagon_erie_seneca_mohawk/message/80)
Niawen Gowa Don for your posts!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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You're welcome Nikki. I will be happy to help you put this fraud out of business. TBE and his ilk are spreading dangerous lies to gullible people, like these other non Indian,black supremacist groups. TBE and others have made a good deal of money off of their lies and fraud and he must be discredited. If nothing else he is guilty of identity theft!
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You're welcome Nikki. I will be happy to help you put this fraud out of business. TBE and his ilk are spreading dangerous lies to gullible people, like these other non Indian,black supremacist groups. TBE and others have made a good deal of money off of their lies and fraud and he must be discredited. If nothing else he is guilty of identity theft!
She:kon Don;
Yes any help you can offer to help us put him out of Business would be greatly appreciated. As many others would also appreciate your help in doing so as well! Niawen gowa!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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This is what TBE is really about. He wants to steal what is rightfully Indian people's right to gaming. Its all about money. Some of his colleagues believe that black people deserve reparations for slavery and that "becoming Indians" is one way to get reparations. TBE is so inconsistent he and his Nuwabians friends deny that slavery even existed and that Africans were here before Indians.
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Support Casino Issue
24 October 2008 One Comment
Here are the clips from a press conference today outside the Statehouse:
And here’s the press release:
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, head of The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation today announced the Tribes support and endorsement of Issue 6, the ballot initiative to approve a casino in western Ohio. “The entire State of Ohio is encompassed within our aboriginal lands and these lands, and the people who inhabit them, must continue to thrive physically as well as financially. The passage of Issue 6 is a significant opportunity to insure the fiscal viability of the region and the Tribe as well. We encourage all voters to carefully consider the economic benefits that this bill will provide to the State of Ohio in these troubling economic times when they cast their votes.”, he said.
The members of The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation are the original occupants of a huge area within the United States of America, including Ohio. Proof of their occupancy of Ohio is found in the thousands of mounds they built here, and elsewhere. As a sovereign Native American Indian Tribe the Erie Indians recognize their right to pursue legalized casino gaming as well as other efforts to strengthen the economy of Ohio. “It is apparent that the people of Ohio need a sound economy with good paying jobs to sustain and nourish their families. It is my hope that the Erie Indians can contribute to sustaining excellent jobs in Ohio through our business efforts in construction, fine furniture manufacturing, audio-visual technology, and gaming.”
“Consider that because of the State’s recent economic woes the Governor has been forced to trim $1.7 billion dollars from the biannual budget. This has directly reduced funds for education, public safety forces, and family services. It is also conceivable that Ohio will be forced to make additional cuts in the next biannual budget up to an additional 10% thus reducing funding even further.”
Concerning this Chief Tecumseh stated: “Voters have to make a decision this November and it is an economic one. Are they going to vote against jobs and voluntary revenue for the State, or require the State and Local Governments to raise taxes to fund education, public safety forces, and family services?”
Regarding the opposition to Issue 6 Brown-Eagle questions the motive of those opposed to its passage and whether the citizens of Ohio are their top priority: “ Don’t be deceived, those against Issue 6 are not fighting a battle against gaming, they are fighting to keep Ohio dollars flowing to their out of State Casinos.”
The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation has initiated a number of business ventures including construction, furniture manufacturing, and audio-visual technology. Additionally, they also strive to preserve their Tribal culture and heritage through education, respect, and leadership.
The Erie Indians occupied the area from the Gulf of Mexico north along the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes Region and into Canada. History erroneously records them as being exterminated in the Seventeenth Century following an encounter with the Iroquois
Indians of New York. “Fortunately the history books are wrong.” said Chief Brown-Eagle. “If the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation did not exist, I would not be standing here today offering my Tribe’s assistance to the people of Ohio”.
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The Erie Indians occupied the area from the Gulf of Mexico north along the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes Region and into Canada. History erroneously records them as being exterminated in the Seventeenth Century following an encounter with the Iroquois
Indians of New York. “Fortunately the history books are wrong.” said Chief Brown-Eagle. “If the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation did not exist, I would not be standing here today offering my Tribe’s assistance to the people of Ohio”.
Tecumseh Brown Eagle is verified not Erie nor is he even Cherokee! He needs to be happy with who he is and that is Black!
And the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation does not exist, only in his imagination, as this is something that Abduhl put together 10 years ago.
The Erie people have not existed as a nation since 1653, when their chiefs were killed and the rest of the Eries were brought into the Six Nations communities. Fact! Tecumseh Brown Eagle is a Fraud. Fact!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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You have to remember that frauds use people's vulnerabilities to succeed. The question I have is why are people attracted to these people. These "black Indian" groups surface and fade all over the states, now I see them moving into my country, Canada, and they are doing the same thing as in the states. These groups and people have some common traits. 1. They are religious based (cultists) TBE is into some weird sort of Islamic cult and Jerry Monroe is an evangelical/pentecostal gospel preacher/singer. 2. They are all "associated" with some nonexistent tribe, like the Erie. 3. They all seem to have some connection to martial arts, TBE claiming to have been an Olympic champion in taewondo before it was in the Olympics and Jerry Monroe claiming to have founded the Guardian Angels in NYC. 4. They all have created a mythology based on the Nuwabian/Washitaw African as the "original autochone indigenous people of the Americas" (TBE claims all lands east of the Mississippi including Canada, because the Washitaw "Impress" ruled the Louisana territory).
I have followed these peoples' growth on the internet over the past 10 years, they are a much bigger and more dangerous group now. TBE is only one of many, but they have a growing following. Southern Poverty Law Center has also followed the Nuwabians one group associated with TBE. I posted links about the Black Israelites as well, who are another black hate group who claim to be Nuwabians/Washitaw.
Post warnings about TBE and his "tribe" in aboriginal groups so that other folks know who and what he really is...
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She:kon Don;
That's a good idea, as we are working hard to shut him down here on this side of the imaginary line. He won't get anywhere with the Bruce Power People, or anyone else for that matter. Government officials here also know about him, and have dropped him like a hot potato. He seems to have a following among the "Dowser" organizations, and these New Age organizations.
It would be good if people contacted Indigenous Communities and Organizations to inform them that Tecumseh Brown Eagle is a fraud.
Oneh
Niiki
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Burlington Vortex Conference
Speakers Schedule
http://www.burlingtonvortexconference (http://www.burlingtonvortexconference)
Hope to see you at the conference!
Vending Space Still Available (262) 767 1116
Friday October 31, 2008
10 a.m. Stanton Friedman - Stanton Friedman will be speaking on Flying Saucers and Science. He will be providing intriguing data from a number of large-scale scientific UFO studies that almost no one, especially the noisy negativists, has discussed in detail.
11 a.m. Sherry Strub- Sherry will be sharing with the audience her experiences and research into the ghostly phenomena of Wisconsin
12 p.m. Heidi Hollis - Heidi Hollis is the leading authority on Shadow Beings. She will explain to the audience who the beings are that can be seen best from the corner of one's vision and why they are becoming so much more prevalent now. According to Hollis 'The Shadows' are more associated with aliens than one can imagine. Many believe that since their form is so similar to a ghost that they are directly related or are one and the same as a ghost. Perhaps that's due to their being transparent at times and giving off that "haunting" feeling to those that bear witness to them. She stresses that now is the time to finally address the Shadow People' presence and what they are all about. Who are they, who do they work with and what do they really want? Time is of the essence... and they are placing their bets on us not figuring them out!Time will be allocated for Heidi to answer questions from the audience.
1 p.m. Bonnie Meyer - Meyer speaks on the unholy alliance that was signed between the negative aliens and the secret world government in Europe in 1572 and with the US in 1946
2 p.m. Don Schmidt - Don will present true accounts of witnesses to the crash, the military containment of its recovery, the high level of security surrounding all phases of the cleanup operation, deathbed confessions, sealed posthumous statements and, most shocking of all, the extreme measures that the U.S. Government resorted to in preventing people from telling the truth.
3 p.m. Jon Kelly -World famous backwards speech analyst and talk-radio personality, Jon Kelly introduces unique perspectives on communications, creativity and consciousness
4 p.m. Tecumseh Brown-Eagle - Chief of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation- discusses the return of the Pharaohs, connecting the Pharaohs of Egypt to the Montauk Indians of New York...then tracing these Pyramid and Moundbuilders to Wisconsin
5 p.m. Dr. Claude Swanson - Swanson will be sharing his extensive research into the physics of the paranormal, touching on the science of remote viewing; ESP (extra-sensory perception); Psychokinesis (mind over matter); the Backster Effect (cell-to-cell communication) with organ transplant patients and Identical Twins; the power of group consciousness, meditation and prayer; Levitation; teleportation and bilocation; OBE (Out of body experience); parallel dimensions; NDE (near death experiences) the science of the soul; Precognition; the illusion of time; four-dimensional holography; the holographic brain.
Saturday November 1
10 a.m. Peter Moon - Moon speaks on Synchronicity, the quantum universe and the using of the ultimate powers of creation.for better or for worse. He will be discussing the legacies and personas of Jack Parsons, Marjorie Cameron, L. Ron Hubbard, Aleister Crowley and John Dee. His most intriguing and mysterious encounter with Joseph Matheny, an adept who had created one of the highest forms of artificial intelligence known to man, a computer known as the Metamachine which is designed to precipitate and generate synchronicities.
11 a.m. Don Schmidt - Author of 'Roswell' - The Movie and his latest "WITNESS TO ROSWELL" . will present Part Two of true accounts of witnesses to the crash, the military containment of its recovery, the high level of security surrounding all phases of the cleanup operation, deathbed confessions, sealed posthumous statements and, most shocking of all, the extreme measures that the U.S. Government resorted to in preventing people from telling the truth.
12 p.m. Heidi Hollis - Heidi Hollis is the leading authority on Shadow Beings. She will explain to the audience who the beings are that can be seen best from the corner of one's vision and why they are becoming so much more prevalent now. According to Hollis 'The Shadows' are more associated with aliens than one can imagine. Many believe that since their form is so similar to a ghost that they are directly related or are one and the same as a ghost. Perhaps that's due to their being transparent at times and giving off that "haunting" feeling to those that bear witness to them. She stresses that now is the time to finally address the Shadow People' presence and what they are all about. Who are they, who do they work with and what do they really want? Time is of the essence... and they are placing their bets on us not figuring them out! Time will be allocated for Heidi to answer questions from the audience.
1 p.m. Jerry E. Smith - Jerry will be speaking on the military, scientific and commercial efforts at controlling Mother Nature, the use of all environmental processes (weather, earthquakes, tidal waves, etc.) as weapons of war. Chemtrails focusing on "geoengineering" - a scheme to use particles intentionally released into the upper atmosphere to mitigate global warming. He will also be discussing The HAARP project in Alaska, one of the most controversial projects ever undertaken by the U.S. Government. This futuristic technology is everything from super-beam weapon to worldwide mind control device.
2 p.m. Dr. Claude Swanson - Understanding consciousness: Our mind is much more powerful than we realized. Understanding consciousness is leading to a revolution in physics. New forces are being discovered which defy the old limitations of space, time and physical barriers. The energy of the vacuum, the zero-point energy, is found to connect to consciousness and may be the secret to understanding life. Dr. Swanson describes the "best evidence" for many of these phenomena, including Remote Viewing, ESP, psychokinesis, plant communication, out-of-body and near-death experiences, levitation and teleportation. He shows how the current scientific model can be extended to begin to account for these phenomena
3 p.m. Frank Joseph - Joseph, editor-in-chief of Ancient American Magazine, speaks on Atlantis in Wisconsin and the Underwater Pyramids of Rock Lake - Long before the Vikings landed on the North American continent, there was an ancient civilization in Wisconsin. Frank Joseph speaks on the compelling archaeological history about this lost Bronze Age culture found beneath the depths of Rock Lake—a culture the evidence suggests had a lively copper trade with the lost continent of Atlantis! This lecture will be an exciting voyage into our pre-Columbian heritage.
4 p.m. Dr. Thomas Horn - Horn discusses his and his family's personal experiences with aliens, UFOs and unusual government cover-ups.
5 p.m. Stanton Friedman - MJ 12 documents and UFO Cover-ups
Sunday November 2
10 a.m. Tom Horn - Horn will be discussing the year 2012 and the Return of the Watchers - Stargates- UFO Abductions - Using biotechnology to ressurect the Nephilm Transgenetics- Creating the Transhuman
11 a.m. Jerry E. Smith The Holy Lance - According to the Gospel of John, as Jesus Christ hung on the Cross a Roman centurion pierced His side with a spear. A legend has arisen that "whosoever possesses this Holy Lance and understands the powers it serves, holds in his hand the destiny of the world for good or evil." Jerry E. Smith weaves together the many threads of the Spear’s legend focusing on The Christ Mind; The Holy Grail; The Templar Knights, Nazi Occultism: Blood Lodges & Secret Orders; Agharta, Shambhala & Atlantis; Nazi UFOs; Operation Paperclip; Testing The Spear; Operation Highjump, Station 211 & The Battle For Neuschwabenland; The Hartmann Expedition; The Rise Of The Fourth Reich; The Secret Of The Spear and Where Is The Spear Now?
12 p.m. Tecumseh Brown Eagle - 32 degree Mason Tecumseh Brown-Eagle will speak on the origins of the Moors in North America, the ancient worship of Isis, their followers, 'The Cat People' and the coded language of the Masons.
1 p.m. Peter Moon - Peter will be discussing The Montauk Project and experiments into space, time travel and Mind Control. After World War II Allied military commanders discovered a massive and meticulous research file on secret societies, eugenics and other scientific pursuits that boggled the imagination. Even more spectacular was an entire web of underground rocket and flying saucer factories with an accompanying technology that still defies ordinary beliefs. A missing U-boat fleet possessing the most advanced submarine technology in the world left many wondering if the Nazis had escaped with yet more secrets or even with Hitler himself. In connecting the Third Reich with its Tibetan contacts, Moon takes the audience on an adventure in consciousness that reveals a vast array of new information. Unlocking the mysterious occultism of the Nazis, Peter Moon opens a window into the lab of the ancient alchemists in order to explain the secret meaning behind the Egyptian and Tibetan "Books of the Dead". Moon then ties all of these strange associations to Montauk Point, New York, where an American military facility was used by the Nazis to further their own strange experiments and continue the agenda of the Third Reich.
2 p.m. Frank Joseph- Ark of the Covenant - Frank Joseph takes the audience on an in-depth hunt for the truth about mankind’s most valuable possession revealing the Ark’s actual function, purpose and location. Joseph will give a fact-based examination of the Arks real origins, manufactured purpose, historical application, and present whereabouts. Revealing its genuine nature and ultimate destiny represents the most profound disclosure of its kind, powerful enough to shake the foundations of established religions and modern science alike.
3 p.m. Bonnie Meyer - Meyer speaks on the unholy alliance that was signed between the negative aliens and the secret world government in Europe in 1572 and with the US in 1946
4 p.m. Stanton Friedman – Alien Abductions - Betty and Barney Hill Story
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Pyramids..Wisconsin...made from the finest...... cheddar ????
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Pyramids..Wisconsin...made from the finest...... cheddar ????
Yes Cheddar Tecumseh's favorite!! Tehehehe!
Oneh
Niiki
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As TBE is quoted that he is only in it for the piece of the action when it comes to economic development.
This proves that he is purely an "opportunist". Only in it for the money!!
http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2008/10/chief_cheerleader_for_issue_6.shtml (http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2008/10/chief_cheerleader_for_issue_6.shtml)
Chief cheerleader for Issue 6
While an Indian chief promoting a ballot measure to allow gambling in Ohio may raise the specter of Indian casinos, Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle said today that's not his goal.
Brown-Eagle, the head of the Erie Nation Moundbuilders Tribal Nation, today endorsed Issue 6, which would authorize a casino in Clinton County.
The Erie, Pa., tribe is not recognized by the U.S. Department of Interior. Brown-Eagle said it has 139 members in several states, including Ohio, and a history that goes back centuries in the state.
In a news conference outside the Statehouse, Brown-Eagle said his support for Issue 6 has nothing to do with Indian gambling. Opponents of the measure have suggested that it could open the door to new Indian casinos, which would not pay taxes.
"If there is anyone who could do gaming in Ohio, it is us because we don't have a treaty," the chief said. "But it is not our intention to do Indian gaming in Ohio.
"We're only for the economic development so we can get a piece of the action."
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Just as I knew would be the answer: no one thought he was Indian nor took him seriously. Not even the group of women he asked to speak to at the Big Six. They are no more concerned with him than they would be if Daffy Duck came to the rez wearing a war bonnet....lol.
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Just as I knew would be the answer: no one thought he was Indian nor took him seriously. Not even the group of women he asked to speak to at the Big Six. They are no more concerned with him than they would be if Daffy Duck came to the rez wearing a war bonnet....lol.
...And where did you get your false information from? From Ms. "Long-stories" herself??
He certainly had a number of people giving him a hug and greeting of acceptance during the Council. As it was decided they would accept him for who he was as they needed to do further research, and now that further research has been done, and he is determined to be a fraud, everyone knows. Yes most people had a hard time believing that he wasn't black, although it was decided to give him the benefit of the doubt until otherwise proven. As far as not anyone taking him seriously, that was not the case, because I was there and observed it. And as far as no one being concerned about him, that is also not the case, because of his interference and involvement in the Bruce Nuclear Power Plant at Nanticoke and also because of his involvement with Steve Cherest, a developer that has tried to build housing in the Grand River Haldimand Tract without the Confederacy's support. TBE also tried to solicit the Senecas at Tonawanda to get a Confederacy Card as well as the Grand River Confederacy Council. All of these requests that he made to the Confederacy for support and recognition went "dead in the water". Then he decided to go it alone, trying to base his superiority to the Confederacy, saying that he is an Erie Chief, and that the lands at Grand River were originally Erie/Neutral homelands. He tried to skirt around the Confederacy on several ocassions, and not work within the process of the Confederacy Council. He went to the extent of communicating with the National Energy Board in Canada, Bruce Power Officials, Golder Associates, and even John Tory, leader of the Ontario Conservative Party himself. He made statements to all of these people, that they should not deal with Six Nations Confederacy Council, as it would take until 2025 to get anywhere with the Nanticoke Nuclear Power Plant. He also made a number of errors in his talks with those officials about our treaties and land rights. So you say that he is someone not to take seriously? Think again, because your statements alone, are putting an entire Indigenous Community at risk when it comes to their health and safety! So again you are wrong, and do not know the full story, and judging by your posts you were not there either time when the issue was brought up and do not know for yourself the truth, that is why you have had to result in getting second and third hand information. Have you ever heard of the game telephone?? Your posts are a result of it! And it's been verified with those that I gave you to contact, that you did not contact them to get your information. So once again we know that you are here only to cause trouble in this post and not to contribute towards ridding us of this fraud. Maybe you are one of his supporters?
Oneh
Niiki form Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.hudsonhubtimes.com/news/article/4454329&w=tecumseh+brown+browning+eagle+eagles&d=FgLe352uSYQS&icp=1&.intl=ca
State tribe leader comes out in support of casino ballot issue
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October 29, 2008
by Marc Kovac
Capital Bureau chief
Columbus -- The head a 139-member American Indian tribe has thrown his support behind a constitutional amendment that would allow a casino to be build in southwestern Ohio.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, chief and chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders, told reporters outside the Statehouse Oct. 24 the project would boost economic development in the state, hopefully leading to increased business for his tribe's construction, furniture-making and audio-visual enterprises.
"We are all too well aware of the trying economic challenges we are now facing," he said. "We need to support every available means of promoting jobs, strengthening our economy and providing people with good jobs to support and sustain their families. ... Issue 6 is one of these avenues that ... will help do this.
"We support it because if Ohio is not strong, then our tribe is not going to be strong in economic development."
Issue 6 is a proposed constitutional amendment that would allow the establishment of a privately owned casino near Wilmington, roughly between Columbus and Cincinnati.
Provisions in the issue outline tax payments, age and game limits and use of public proceeds.
Proponents say the project will bring thousands of jobs and tens of millions of dollars in tax revenues and economic activity to the state. Opponents say the loopholes in the ballot issue language could eventually exempt the casino from paying taxes, and the social and economic costs posed by increased gambling activities outweigh the benefits.
Brown-Eagle said the Erie Indian Moundbuilders have no ties with the casino group behind Issue 6, nor any plans to establish its own gaming operations in the state.
He added, "This is the largest project that I know of in Ohio, outside of the several billion dollars to support the Ohio schools from the money from the tobacco industry. ... Right now, if (there) is anyone who can do gaming in Ohio, it would only be us because we don't have a treaty.
"But that is not our interest, to do casino gaming in the state of Ohio."
Marc Kovac is the Dix Newspapers Capital Bureau chief. E-mail him at mkovac@dixcom.com.
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The posts that were purely personal dislike between two persons in this thread are off topic. They've been deleted.
Take them to private email. Or better yet, drop it and grow up.
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The posts that were purely personal dislike between two persons in this thread are off topic. They've been deleted.
Take them to private email. Or better yet, drop it and grow up.
Niawen gowa Educated Indian!
Oneh
Niiki
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http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.hudsonhubtimes.com/news/article/4454329&w=tecumseh+brown+browning+eagle+eagles&d=FgLe352uSYQS&icp=1&.intl=ca
State tribe leader comes out in support of casino ballot issue
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October 29, 2008
by Marc Kovac
Capital Bureau chief
Columbus -- The head a 139-member American Indian tribe has thrown his support behind a constitutional amendment that would allow a casino to be build in southwestern Ohio.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, chief and chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders, told reporters outside the Statehouse Oct. 24 the project would boost economic development in the state, hopefully leading to increased business for his tribe's construction, furniture-making and audio-visual enterprise
This looked more like trying to draw attention to himself. The Eastern Shawnee, a recognized Tribe, has been trying for several years to start a casino in Ohio. Buy the land and put it in trust. One of the first Tribes to attempt to build out of their own state. But the matter was rather closed by the Bush Administration when St Regis was denied the same thing. State tribes and unrecognized tribes cannot build casino's nor take part. The whole issue of Casino gambling in Ohio was defeated. But now there is a new administration. So, it's possible the Eastern Shawnee may try again. TBE seems to involve himself in issues that do not even concern him. Gives the appearance of being some type of spokesman, which he isn't. The issue was defeated, backed by Penn National Gambling who plan to start their own casinos if possible.
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Niawen Gowa Frederika for your reply. Tecumseh tries to thwart himself into situations like this all over the place, as he tries to prove his claim from the Mississippi River to the East Coast to the Gulf of Mexico and into Canada, to do it. He has no claim to anything as he is not Erie, not a Chief, not Cherokee, and not even NAI. He is Black, so he needs to be happy with who is he, go and help his own, and leave us all alone!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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You have to understand that he BELIEVES that he's Indian. The Washitaw/Nuwabians believe that they were in the Americas for thousands of years before the "red Indians" came. They worked with the white conquerors to enslave the superior "black autochones indigenous people" i.e. the black "Indians". Thats why they don't accept that there was a slave trade with Africa and claim to be the true "indigenous" people. They and various cults of the black Muslims and now this black Israelite (hebrews) sect all share that myth. The Washitaw "Nation" claims to have an "impress" (Empress) who is the sovereign of all lands west of the Mississippi. Others are claiming to be connected to various extinct nations that did have some contact with black slaves. What I find interesting about all of these cults is that people like TBE actually have a following among white people. By playing on their ties to the UFOlogy movement they have some degree of credibility.
TBE and the so call Erie tribe claim is based on that mythology. I do find his rather complicated geneology a joke. His knowledge of history is hysterical, but people believe him. So far I have not been able to see just what he's selling, memberships, speaking fees, workshops all seem to be available.
I am also concerned as a Canadian that someone with such a fradualent background is able to come into Canada without some scrutiny.
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I am also concerned as a Canadian that someone with such a fradualent background is able to come into Canada without some scrutiny.
When he came to Six Nations last year he had the idea, to lay a claim on High Park in Toronto, which is a 400 acre park within the city, that contains several mounds. He also threw out the idea of building a "Casino" in Toronto, so that his band of "misfits" could reap the benefits from the Canadian economy, because he claims to own the mounds there too.
He told this to some of the chiefs and clanmothers, trying to bribe them by saying , that he would give a percentage of the profits, from that and other business ventures he was arranging at that time. He was told by some of our chiefs, that they would not support a casino, and he threw a temper tantrum, and basically said he would do it anyway, once he got the financial backing because "Toronto" was his. Once the chiefs learned of this, they decided not to support him at all. The alarm bells went off. Good thing, because he is a total Fraud!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Once again there is a lot of misinformation at work here. Obviously lots of people, including the news men that reported on this do not understand the Indian Gaming laws.
PL 100-497 The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act of 1988 governs American Indian nations who operate gaming facilities or games on their land. Key here is the line “ON THEIR LAND”. It is implicit in this that they must have reservations lands or lands held in trust to open a casino. There are three levels of gaming. – (per the AIGA hand book)
Class I – traditional (gaming that existed before contact – that is why Apache can have card games and Blackfeet can not. The Apache historically had types of card games) This also extends to Handgame etc. and can be played without any state involvement or oversight.
Class II gaming is defined as the game of chance commonly known as bingo (whether or not electronic, computer, or other technological aids are used in connection therewith) and if played in the same location as the bingo, pull tabs, punch board, tip jars, instant bingo, and other games similar to bingo. Class II gaming also includes non-banked card games, that is, games that are played exclusively against other players rather than against the house or a player acting as a bank. The Act specifically excludes slot machines or electronic facsimiles. Tribes retain their authority to conduct, license, and regulate class II gaming so long as the state in which the Tribe is located permits such gaming for any purpose and the Tribal government adopts a gaming ordinance approved by the National Indian Gaming Commission, Tribal governments are responsible for regulating class II gaming with Commission oversight. Only Arkansas, Hawaii, Indiana, and Utah prohibit all types of gaming. The state also has the right to limit size of establishment.
Class III includes all forms of gaming that are neither class I nor II. Primarily games commonly played at casinos, such as slot machines, blackjack, craps, and roulette, as well as wagering games and electronic facsimiles of any game of chance. Generally, class III is often referred to a casino-style gaming. PL 100-497 restricts Tribal authority over class III gaming.
To comply with the Gaming Act a tribe must have tribal land and be recognized by the federal government. Also, before a Tribe may lawfully conduct class III gaming, the following conditions must be met: (1) The Particular form of class III gaming that the Tribe wants to conduct must be permitted in the state in which the tribe is located; (2) The Tribe and the state must have negotiated a compact that has been approved by the Secretary of the Interior, (3) The Tribe must have adopted a Tribal gaming ordinance that has been approved by the Chairman of the tribe.
Then there are the myrid of laws regarding how monies must be distrubuted, and layers of federal regaltory oversight. Nothing about Indain gaming is simple except the minds of those who want to take advantage of it by becoming "Indian".
Second and FAR more important right now is the recent Supreme Court decision in CARCIERI, GOVERNOR OF RHODE ISLAND, ET AL. v. SALAZAR, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, ET AL. CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIRST CIRCUIT No. 07–526. Argued November 3, 2008—Decided February 24, 2009
This places into question almost all lands held by any Nation that was recognized after IRA in 1934 including those groups that were recognized in 1934 and terminated in the 1950s. This is really a serious blow to tribal sovereignty and only leaves the option for nations to petition congress to remove the term "now" from the documents. No less than 6 states already have suits in the works to close casinos or transfer them to private ownership.
The court ruled that the federal government cannot place land into trust for any tribe that has been recognized after 1934. The ruling was not unanimous, but it was an overwhelming majority at 8-1.
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Niawen gowa kosowith for your post! A real blow to Tecumseh's plans of making money!! He also contacted a well known, law firm here in Ontario, to try and push his way around up here legally. The lawyer quickly let him know, after reviewing his documents on the EIMTN ,that he had no land rights on this side of the imaginary line that could be backed up, and would not be backed up by any court of their ( the colonizers) law on this side of the imaginary line. Therefore our Law and government, the Six Nations Confederacy, would not give them the recognition or support they were looking for, and neither will the Canadian law system back them up on anything, here either! And all Tecumseh can do, is to try to raise money through his various business ventures to get anywhere. He does this to try to bribe and buy his way into situations, such as the Bruce Nuclear Power Plant Project at Nanticoke, by offering to "fund it" or "pay for it". That's a real joke, as it has been said by many, that he has not kept any financial promises that he has made to individuals or other Indigenous Nations. He owes a lot people a lot of money at this point! He knows he can't get legal support either here or there to build casinos or reap from the benefits of them because EITMN doesn't qualify. That's why he uses the tactics that he does. Not only is he Fraud , he is also a user! Beware of this man and the EIMTN !
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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In response to educatedindian........ I am of Algonquin ancestry, my great grandmother was full blood, my grandmother was raised on their reservation in Quebec. I only answered your question out of respect for others in the forum. My ancestry is not the issue here, and neither is my personal life, so I will not be answering any more questions to that effect.
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No more childish comments like "Whatever!" esp when we're dealing with very serious matters, namely your defense of a Black supremacist who impersonates being the chief of a tribe which is clearly not a tribe.
J/TBE/M is clearly influenced by some very dangerous people, and for you to dismiss that so casually says some very disturbing things.
You've been given proof over and over and over again, but you still scream and whine continually that you don't see it. Actually you refuse to see it. I don't see any point in trying to convince you, because you choose to be willfully blind.
So instead I'd simply like to ask you (yet again, since you've deliberately refused to answer before several times)...
How did you get involved with J/TBE/M and his "tribe"?
Could you just tell us about the people in this "tribe"?
wahyahahnae you answered a question that was asked of you by me, Niiki! Now the second part of that question is, what side of your family is this "full-blooded Algonquin Great Grandmother, is it your father's side or mother's side? And how did you get the name that you go by in this post?
You still have not answered educated indians questions, which I included in the quote...?????
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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You have to understand that he BELIEVES that he's Indian. The Washitaw/Nuwabians believe that they were in the Americas for thousands of years before the "red Indians" came. They worked with the white conquerors to enslave the superior "black autochones indigenous people" i.e. the black "Indians". Thats why they don't accept that there was a slave trade with Africa and claim to be the true "indigenous" people. They and various cults of the black Muslims and now this black Israelite (hebrews) sect all share that myth. The Washitaw "Nation" claims to have an "impress" (Empress) who is the sovereign of all lands west of the Mississippi. Others are claiming to be connected to various extinct nations that did have some contact with black slaves. What I find interesting about all of these cults is that people like TBE actually have a following among white people. By playing on their ties to the UFOlogy movement they have some degree of credibility.
TBE and the so call Erie tribe claim is based on that mythology. I do find his rather complicated geneology a joke. His knowledge of history is hysterical, but people believe him. So far I have not been able to see just what he's selling, memberships, speaking fees, workshops all seem to be available.
I am also concerned as a Canadian that someone with such a fradualent background is able to come into Canada without some scrutiny.
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NUWAUBIAN POWER & CONTROL CURTAILED
In May 2002 a team of more than 100 FBI agents and various local officers raided the compound of the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors on a 162ha ranch in a remote area of Putnam County, about 113km south of Atlanta in the USA State Georgia. They arrested Dwight York, the leader of the group, as well as four close female followers of York.
The United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors is a predominantly black group that had its beginning in the late 1960s – early 1970s – as the Ansaru Allah Community, which was supposedly an orthodox Muslim community of mostly black Americans following basic Islamic ideology, costume and religious practices. It was started in Brooklyn, New York, some years after Dwight York, then 19, spent three years in a New York state prison following his conviction of assault, resisting arrest and possession of a dangerous weapon.
He proved always to have been a manipulative controlling charismatic leader, and attracted black American followers with his mixture of Islam, black supremacy and white hatred teachings. Later also came the promise of salvation for a select 144,000, whom he would choose.
York’s Ansaru Allah group came under FBI scrutiny, and was also examined carefully by Muslims, including Muslim scholar, Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips. Philips, now a teacher in the United Arab Emirates, wrote a book on York’s group entitled ‘The Ansar Cult’ in which he described Ansaru Allah as an ‘heretic, pseudo-Muslim sect.’ The book included a Muslim cleric’s decree that no true Muslim should be associated with the Ansaru Allah group. It wasn’t long before York dropped all Muslim religious practices and costumes and moved to Georgia. Here Dwight York and his group adopted supposed ancient Egyptian practice and clothing, and decorated their ranch/farm with Egyptian-style pyramids, obelisks and statues.
Over the years York has given himself various names and aliases, including: ‘The Supreme Grand Hierophant: Amun Nebu Re,’ Akhtah Isa Abdullah, Isa Muhammad, Imam Isa, Imam Isa Abu-Bakr, Imam Isa Al-Hadi Al-Mahdi, Rabboni, Yashuah, Melchisedek, Yanuwn, Nayya, Dr. Malachi Z. York, Chief Black Eagle, the Lamb and Baba [‘Isa’ is the Islamic name for ‘Jesus’].
He has also been referred to as the group’s saviour or god, and as an extraterrestrial from the supposed planet ‘Rizq.’
He has called his followers/group by various names as well, including: Nubian Islamic Hebrews, Ansar Pure Sufi, Nubians, Ansaru Allah Community, Washitaw Tribe, United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, Lodge 19 of the Ancient Order of Melchizedek and, more recently apparently, the Holy Seed Baptist Synagogue.
But the name changing wasn’t the reason for the massive May police raid on his community’s compound, and simultaneously on his $525,000 mansion in Athens, Clarke County, where FBI agents turned up some $125,000 in cash.
York was charged by Federal agents on four federal counts involving sexual the exploitation of minors who were specifically transported across state borders for his sexual gratification. He was also charged under state laws with 74 counts of child molestation, 29 counts of aggravated child molestation and related charges, including one count of rape involving five alleged victims, both male and female.
For years York had been using his position and power to sexually abuse girls and boys, some aged 4, 6, 8 through to late-teens. Sexual gratification and money were the two driving forces behind this black cult leader. He slept with whomever he chose, but husbands and wives in the community were not allowed to sleep with each other without York’s permission. He mixed and mated men and women as he saw fit, determining when and where they could have sexual relations, according witnesses. But he was particularly perverse when it came to children often photographing or videoing them during sexual activities. Witnesses have reported that York sexually abused between at least 30 to 35 children – some of them continuously for several years. Witnesses have also claimed that York has fathered more than 100 children over the years as leader of between 100 to 200 followers.
The catalogue of child abuse activities carried out by this man is horrendous and sickening.
A number of the 50 or so children at the community’s compound were taken into protective custody. Sadly four have been found to have sexually transmitted diseases.
Charged along with York have been his defacto, Kathy Johnson and three other women: Nuwaubian members Chandra Lampkin, Kadijah Merritt and Esther/Istiyr Cole - all charged with child molestation and/or aggravated child molestation.
The five - York, Johnson and the other three women - if convicted, could face, 30 years imprisonment on each count of aggravated child molestation and 20 years on each count of child molestation. The women were charged with participating with York in the sexual activities when they occurred. The cases are proceeding.
One of the local officials said he had ‘never been involved in a child molestation case where so many people have come forward.’ Those who came forward to testify against him included a son and daughter of York.
Radical Muslim
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Tama-Re
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The “Tama-Re” compound, as seen from the air. Photograph by Kenneth C. Budd
Nuwaubianism
Dwight York
Tama-Re
Yamassee
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The Tama-Re compound in Putnam County, Georgia (a.k.a. "Kodesh", “Wahannee”, “The Golden City”, “Al Tamaha”) was an Egyptian-themed set of buildings and monuments established near Eatonton, Georgia by Nuwaubians in 1993 that was mostly demolished[clarification needed] after being sold under government forfeiture in 2005.
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* 1 Founding
* 2 Activity
* 3 Forfeiture
* 4 References
* 5 External links
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“We moved to Eatonton Georgia,” Nuwaubian leader Dwight York said, “because we are the Yamassee, a branch of the Washitaw Moors, The Mound Builders. Our Ancestors built the Rock Eagle Mound and many others in such states as Wisconsin, Ohio, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Tennessee. This is why we chose Eatonton to live. It is close to Rock Eagle Mound.”
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Tama-Re
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The “Tama-Re” compound, as seen from the air. Photograph by Kenneth C. Budd
Nuwaubianism
Dwight York
Tama-Re
Yamassee
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The Tama-Re compound in Putnam County, Georgia (a.k.a. "Kodesh", “Wahannee”, “The Golden City”, “Al Tamaha”) was an Egyptian-themed set of buildings and monuments established near Eatonton, Georgia by Nuwaubians in 1993 that was mostly demolished[clarification needed] after being sold under government forfeiture in 2005.
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* 1 Founding
* 2 Activity
* 3 Forfeiture
* 4 References
* 5 External links
[edit] Founding
“We moved to Eatonton Georgia,” Nuwaubian leader Dwight York said, “because we are the Yamassee, a branch of the Washitaw Moors, The Mound Builders. Our Ancestors built the Rock Eagle Mound and many others in such states as Wisconsin, Ohio, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Tennessee. This is why we chose Eatonton to live. It is close to Rock Eagle Mound.”
hmmmm "wahyahahnae" another way of spelling “Wahannee” . Answer to my question about how you got your name. Another name of the golden city, Tama-Re. Blonde hair, Golden City???
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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And as for "dark skin" as a proof of anything, you obviously haven't been around too many dark skinned people. There's an obvious difference between dark skinned Am Indians, with our skin becoming the color of leather when under the sun a lot, and darker skinned African or Black people, whose skin is the color of chocolate or ebony even if they live in the far north.
Response: I never ever mentioned the color/shade of anyones skin. As I mentioned previously....... Niiki put his comments in.
e.g. (he is actually Black), (Black)
Would you also like to explain your multiple pseudo-Native names? By coincidence, your chosen ID at this forum almost matches that of a fraud?
Response: Shamush is a nickname, I chose my ID for this forum in honor of a close friends distant relation.
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Because an answer to a question is not posted does not mean it hasn't been answered. FYI my eyes are blue. As for anymore information about me.... it's none of your business!
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I do believe that educated indian wanted you to answer his questions so that all can see.
Oneh!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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And as for "dark skin" as a proof of anything, you obviously haven't been around too many dark skinned people. There's an obvious difference between dark skinned Am Indians, with our skin becoming the color of leather when under the sun a lot, and darker skinned African or Black people, whose skin is the color of chocolate or ebony even if they live in the far north.
Response: I never ever mentioned the color/shade of anyones skin. As I mentioned previously....... Niiki put his comments in.
e.g. (he is actually Black), (Black)
Would you also like to explain your multiple pseudo-Native names? By coincidence, your chosen ID at this forum almost matches that of a fraud?
Response: Shamush is a nickname, I chose my ID for this forum in honor of a close friends distant relation.
I don't have multiple pseudo Native Names. My name is Niiki as my login is that. I am not a man as you may think or have been lead to believe by others. I am a woman. Again I believe this is a personal attack on me to try and discredit this entire thread. You have ignored Educated Indians questions.
And Shamush = Ancient sumerian name for the SUN RE = ancient egyptian name for SUN, being used as RE = RAY 9 = mystical number of the Nuwaubian Doctrine. And this close friend would be Tecumseh???
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I believe I am onto to something about you... Both names that you are using are in relation to the Washitaw/Nuwabians! Coincidence or what???
Oneh!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Because an answer to a question is not posted does not mean it hasn't been answered. FYI my eyes are blue. As for anymore information about me.... it's none of your business!
Blonde hair , blue eyes and Great Grandmother Full-blooded Algonquin??? ???
Oneh
Niiki
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What Tecumseh Brown Eagle is connected to , as his philosophy and beliefs are the same as:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:vgMBVRndbYoJ:www.fact-archive.com/encyclopedia/Dwight_York+Washitaw/Nuwaubians&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
Religious & Philosophical Doctrine & Practice
Like his name, his affiliations, and his costume, Dwight York's philosophy is multifarious and ever-changing. A doctrine passionately stated in one place may be off-handedly dismissed in another.
Black Nationalism / Racism
Some of York's thinking borrows from Moorish Science and the Nation of Islam. His racial philosophy explicitly indicates the supremacy of blacks, or "Melanites," who are superior in fact as well as in descent ("The Melanin-ites, the original woolly-haired, dark skinned Muurs, or 'Moors,' came along with the original creation"). Other "species of Rizqiyians" include "species of Melanin-ites Nubian called Negroids... 3 species of Mongoloids, and 2 species of Caucasoid, all growing out of the original Nubians."
The "Tama-Re" Compound
The "Tama-Re" compound in Georgia was established in 1993. According to one page:
The name of the Nuwaubians' home is Tama-re, or the "Egypt of the West." At the entrance of Tama-re there is a large sign that recognizes the Nuwaubians as a fraternity, Lodge 19 of the Ancient Mystic Order of Melchizedek. Armed guards stand at the entrance to Tama-re. Approximately 100 Nuwaubians live within 15 double-wide trailers within this complex. There are approximately another 400 more Nuwaubians within Putnam County (population 14,000). At this current complex the Nuwaubians have constructed an Egyptian-style village with two pyramids, obelisks, and statues of Egyptian leaders. The two pyramids are distinct in appearance and in usage. There is a gold pyramid that serves as a trade center. Within this pyramid one can find a bookstore and a clothing store. The other pyramid is painted black with colorful Egyptian symbols painted on the outside. This structure serves as a church. Within the church, loudspeakers play Egyptian chants 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Another source says: "The group's lodge houses busts of King Tut and Queen Nefertiti and a glass tomb holding an alien-like creature with a huge head and bulging eyes."
Tama-Re issued its own passports and license plates.
The compound was the focus of much legal wrangling between the Nuwaubians and the government of Putnam County during the late 1990s and up to the time of York's arrest, much of it centered on zoning issues, and York claimed this as racially-based harassment. Civil rights personalities Al Sharpton, Tyrone Brooks and Jesse Jackson spoke out on the Nuwaubians' behalf.
As of March 2005, this flamboyantly-arrayed compound is being sold under government forfeiture.
Illyuwn and Rizq
York claims to be an extraterrestrial from the planet Rizq, in Illyuwn (the 19th galaxy). In his over-capitalized way of putting it: "I Am A Being From The 19th Galaxy Called ILLYUWN. We Have Been Coming To This Planet Before It Had Your Life Form On It. I Manifest Into This Body To Speak Through This Body. I Am A Entity An Etheric Being. We Watched The 3 Other Cycles Of 18,000 Years, Two Moons And One Sun Which Is Part Of Your 24,000 Year Cycle, The Equinox; The Removal Of The Dust Cloud From Light To Darkness Then To Light Again. I Incarnated Into This Realm From Time To Time. My Incarnation As An Ilah Mutajassid Or Avatara Was Originally In The Year 1945 A.D. In Order To Get Here I Travelled By One Of The Smaller Passenger Crafts Called SHAM Out Of A Motherplane Called MERKABAH Or NIBIRU."
York came to Earth on March 16, 1970. (Comet Bennett , which was visible on that date, is said to have really been York's spacecraft):
I, YAANUWN, Am An ANUNNAQI Or What You Would Call An Extra-Terrestrial; Extra Terra-Astral; Look At This EXTRA- Meaning In Addition To; TERRA-Of The Earth; ASTRAL- Of Or From The Stars. I Am What You Call An Angelic Being, An Eloheem From The 8th Planet Called RIZQ Which Has 1 Moon SHESHQI Of Its Own. This Galaxy, The Nineteenth Galaxy Called "ILLYUWN" Originally Referred To As Heaven Known As Elysium In Greek, Has 3 Suns: 1) SHAMASH 2) UTU 3) APSU Which Means A Tri-Solar System With 38 Moons And 19 Planets. Each With Its Own Number Of Moons. I Have Incarnated Here In This Form To Act As A Human Being For The Sole Purpose Of Saving The Children Of The ELOHEEM (ANUNNAQI), The Banaat, Which Is The Same Word As Bennett, The Chosen 144,000. Just As Mary Of 2,000 Years Ago Was Chosen By The MOST HIGH, ANU, Called An ALIEN, Which Is 'ALI' And 'EN' (AN), Both Of Which Are Names For ANU, To Breed The Holy Thing Called Yashu'a Or Jesus', Real Name Tammuz, Called Horus. So Too, The Banaat Will Breed The Savior Of This Time; If They Hold Firm To The Rope On Your Planet Earth. The Planet Earth Is Also Referred To As Orb, Ard (Arduwt), QI, Terra Or Even Tiwawat And Tamtu Meaning "Maiden Of Life ". However, It Was Originally Called Tiamat. I, YAANUWN, Have Come To Save The Children Of The ELOHEEM (ANUNNAQI) From Being Killed As You Bring Your Planet Near To What Could Be Its Total Destruction.
York told his followers that a spacecraft from Illyuwn would return on May 5, 2003 to take him and 144,000 Nuwaubians to the planet Rizq. That date, which landed while York was in jail during his child molestation trial, passed without incident.
The superficial similarity of these beliefs to those of the Heaven's Gate cult led to many a worried newspaper article after that cult's mass suicide, but York's cosmology seems to have more resemblance to that of the less-suicidal Frank Chu.
Another source says: "York's scripture claims our human ancestors originally came from the planet Rizq. They later moved to a planet called Kesiyl in the Orion constellation, then to Mars (the canals on Mars was said to have been built then), then to Pluto and finally to Earth."
Costume
One of the Nuwaubian's own sites contains "The Ourstory (history) of the Holy Tabernacle Ministries!" [Taken from The Holy Tablets Chapter 19:AL KHIDR, MURDOQ Tablet 6-Zodoq:Melchizedek Pages 1643-1648(in part)]. It's mostly an explanation for why the various clothing-related taboos and requirements of the cult changed so radically throughout the years, and why this is not an indication of the instability of the Nuwaubian doctrine.
* "...in nineteen sixty and seven A. D... - ur official garb at this time was a black tunic, we called a budlah and black loose fitting pants, with a tarbush and shoes which became known as Romeos. This was the year nineteen sixty and seven A. D. Then the dress changed to African robes and the people, we called ourselves Nubians. This was the year nineteen sixty and eight and nine A. D..."
* "In nineteen sixty and nine A. D... the dress changed to a more elaborate style of dashiki, a black fez and a small bone in the left ear for those who wished to wear it and a ring in the right nostril."
* "We donned black tarbushes and our symbol was simply a crescent, a six-pointed star and an ankh..."
* "At this point we were wearing what had been established as the international garb of the Ansaaru Allah Community, which consisted of the thawb, dress and khimar, face veil for the female. This face veil which was not apart of the Sudanese original dress was introduced by the women of the community who mostly left immediately after and went back to wearing western attire leaving the devoted women behind veiled. I told them the day would come when his veil would have to be removed while living in the West, and it has. And the jallaabiyya, a long white garment and bantaluwn, loose fitting pants and immah, head covering for the male with an azzaba."
* "Then on into adulthood, our code of dress changed from time to time, to suit the time we were in. Our garb had mutated again in the year nineteen ninety and two A. D., to the kathnuwth, tunic and bantaluwn, loose fitting pants with a sash around the waist in various colors for the male, and the budlah nubi of the female which also consists of a tunic and bantaluwn and a shawl as a head covering of many colors."
* "The dress then changed to western attire in order to get everybody away from doing their own thing; those that truly followed the Lamb wherever he may lead them, trusted in him and wore western clothes and even listen to country western music..."
* "Now you are ready to move on toward the next level, and ready to accept what I was giving you originally... So we are at the beginning again with Sufi and fezes."
Convicted of Child Molestation
In 2002, York was arrested and charged with over a hundred counts of sexually molesting dozens of children, some as young as four years old. He pled guilty in 2003 in a plea bargain that was later dismissed by the judge, and then was convicted on 23 January 2004 — the judge having rejected his desire to be returned for trial to his own tribe: "All I am asking is that the court recognize that I am an indigenous person. I am a Moorish Cherokee, and I cannot get a fair trial if I am being tried by settlers or Confederates."
Additional Information
* http://www.unitednuwaubiannation.com/ - United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors web site
* http://www.geocities.com/area51/corridor/4978/unnm.html - another UNNM web site
* http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/4978/ourstory.html - The Ourstory (history) of the Holy Tabernacle Mysteries
* "Ansaaru Allah Community" in Kooks: A Guide to the Outer Limits of Human Belief by Donna Kossy (ISBN 0-922915-19-9)
* http://factology.com/ - A nuwaubian doctrine and history resource
* http://www.unitednuwaubiannation.com/yamassee_menu.html - The official site of that Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation
* Nuwaubian Aerial Photography - photos of the Egyptian-themed compound in Georgia
* Nuwaubians - article from the Center for AnthroUFOlogy
* The Father, Malachi York is accused of the son, Jacob York's crimes - a page alleging that York was set up by his son
* Arrest Nuwaubians' latest trouble - 9 May 2002 newspaper article
* Nuwaubian leader claims torture, kidnapping in lawsuit - 2 December 2003 newspaper article
* Nuwaubians Rally as Leader's Case is Appealed - 18 November 2004 newspaper article
* Illuwn? Let's be "Sirius" - a skeptical article about Nuwaubian cosmology
* English, the language of confusion - Nuwaubian comparative linguistics
* Right Rhyming - concerns a Nuwaubian rap group from Philadelphia
* Soul Mates Worldwide - a Nuwaubian dating service
* Moorish Science Temple: “The Ansaru Allah Community”
* Nuwaubians: a collection of links from the news media
* Malachi York - from the Masonic Reporter
* The Nuwaubian Supreme Grand Lodge
* The Life of Muhammad, as told by Dr. Malachi Z. York
* http://www.nuwaubiaholylandofthenuwaubians.com/ - with a Tama-Re slideshow
* El Istakhlaag - A Nuwaubian creation myth
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"It seems that one of your members has said that I and members would be eating Crow for dinner. And the Senica as well."
RESPONSE: Looks like someone relayed the wrong information to the Chief. This is what was posted.......
"Because ..... I know this hateful little man who is going to be eating a lot of it soon, but the sad part of it is.... he has coerced some very special people to the table toooo. But, that is okay, because HE will be eating most of the wretched meal."
Make Note: Never did I say Chief Renz or the Seneca.
FYI - I said "my Great-grandmother!"
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Quote - Reply#105
"It seems that one of your members has said that I and members would be eating Crow for dinner. And the Senica as well."
RESPONSE: Looks like someone relayed the wrong information to the Chief. This is what was posted.......
"Because ..... I know this hateful little man who is going to be eating a lot of it soon, but the sad part of it is.... he has coerced some very special people to the table toooo. But, that is okay, because HE will be eating most of the wretched meal."
Make Note: Never did I say Chief Renz or the Seneca.
FYI - I said "my Great-grandmother!"
That's what you may think .... Don't be so sure of that!!
Your Great -Grandmother, so that would make you 1/8th??? Like I said which part, little toe?? I guess you are afraid to tell us from which side of your family, this 1/8th part is from, father's or mother's side?? If it's from your father's side, then it would not be accepted under Our Law, The Great Law of the Six Nations Confederacy. If your mother is non-native under our law, then you are also!!
Maybe that's why you are throwing such a hissy fit over it, and trying to discredit me. Which by the way, I am Mohawk, Bear Clan, by my mother, so I do know who I am, what nation and clan I belong to. So nomore calling me a fraud when you don't even know what you are talking about. Since you continue to support a fraud, after the facts have been clearly stated, then maybe that's what you are. Are you looking in the mirror at yourself again?? Maybe you can answer our questions without throwing childish fits or maybe you aren't capable of that???
Oneh
Niiki Mohawk from Tyendinaga Terriritory
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The issue is the mythology of these cults. NO there is no historical proof of any African presence in the Americas before conquest. TBE and his comrades only seek to steal what rightfully belongs to Indian people. Black frauds are just as bad as white frauds, both are thieves trying to get something for nothing.
Does any legitimate tribe, state or federal accept their mythyology or claims? NO. Does any jurisdiction recognize these groups? NO!
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The issue is the mythology of these cults. NO there is no historical proof of any African presence in the Americas before conquest. TBE and his comrades only seek to steal what rightfully belongs to Indian people. Black frauds are just as bad as white frauds, both are thieves trying to get something for nothing.
Does any legitimate tribe, state or federal accept their mythyology or claims? NO. Does any jurisdiction recognize these groups? NO!
Niawen Gowa for your words Don. I don't know if Ms. Hopson will get that through her thick skull!
Many of us can see it, but she is unable to. Any suggestions on how to deal with the adamant supporter of a "Fraud" who may be one herself??
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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There is nothing harder to deal with than the "true believer". They usually see frauds as religious saviours, like Jonestown and Jim Jones. What I always find interesting about the "devotees" to these cults, is that normal, intelligent people fall into them. These cults fill some personal need in the "devotees" and although anyone with one iota of intelligence can see how stupid the mythology is they can't accept reality.
When I went after the so called Binay Tribe, I was called everything except a child of God, by members who claimed to be Christians. Cults and cult leaders are ruthless when confronted, whether they claim they'll start legal action or make violent threats, its the same. Be careful!
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There is nothing harder to deal with than the "true believer". They usually see frauds as religious saviours, like Jonestown and Jim Jones. What I always find interesting about the "devotees" to these cults, is that normal, intelligent people fall into them. These cults fill some personal need in the "devotees" and although anyone with one iota of intelligence can see how stupid the mythology is they can't accept reality.
When I went after the so called Binay Tribe, I was called everything except a child of God, by members who claimed to be Christians. Cults and cult leaders are ruthless when confronted, whether they claim they'll start legal action or make violent threats, its the same. Be careful!
Niawen gowa for you your words of encouragement, Don! All of this information has been passed onto to others, that are able to deal with these people in another way. It would not be in their best interest to continue this fraud or support it. I know I am not afraid of Ms. Hopson , TBE or the EIMTM because they are really nothing to us within the Confederacy. Although if they choose to make war on us, history will only repeat itself!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Just got this back from my contact at the OLympic training center in Colorado Springs
Hello again,
It took a little while to respond because I had to ask several people if they had heard of James Johnson III, Tecumseh Brown Eagle or Abdul Abdulla Mohammed.
Nobody I know who has anything to do with Tae Kwon Do and the Olympics has ever heard of him.
Karate and Tae Kwon Do are two separate sports. Apparently there is some form of unofficial World Championships for Karate. But it is not certified or associated with AAU or the US Olympic Foundation/training.
I can't find any information or records of him having anything to do with US authorized TKD or Olympics.
Nathan
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Niawen Gowa for the info Kosowith on another confirmation of Tecumseh Brown Eagle's lies, deception and misrepresentation of himself.
More proof!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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So once again we know that you are here only to cause trouble in this post and not to contribute towards ridding us of this fraud. Maybe you are one of his supporters?
I did not want anyone to believe that the Confederacy Chief's were dumb enough to believe you-know-who was legit.
TBE names has been around for years as less than credible. I still cannot fanthom how you or the Redwolf person you so passionately defended here, ever believed for one second he was legit. Now, it's obvious he has inserted himself into certain land claim issues, and been a royal pain, but to have been afflliated with him???
[Al's note: Off topic parts removed, as were posts of the same.]
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Niawen gowa Educated Indian for removing Ennisko:wa's personal attacks! She still has nothing to say of any legitimacy or credibility since her comments are based from non credible sources!
Oneh
Niiiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Quote from Reply #142
Maybe that's why you are throwing such a hissy fit over it, and trying to discredit me. Which by the way, I am Mohawk, Bear Clan, by my mother, so I do know who I am, what nation and clan I belong to. So nomore calling me a fraud when you don't even know what you are talking about. Since you continue to support a fraud, after the facts have been clearly stated, then maybe that's what you are. Are you looking in the mirror at yourself again?? Maybe you can answer our questions without throwing childish fits or maybe you aren't capable of that???
Oneh
Niiki Mohawk from Tyendinaga Terriritory
RESPONSE: You are saying that I called YOU a fraud. Not once did I state that in this forum!! I did not ask you what nation or what clan you are from, I do not care!! [Long series of personal insults removed]
NOTICE TO FORUM: I will not be sending or posting any information proving Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is who he states he is and is not what has been written in here by most of you, mainly Niiki/Redwolf. Any Proof that needs to be given will be forwarded to those of importance. As in our opinion, nothing has to be proven to him (he is of no importance to us and has nothing to say of any legitmacy or credibility) or most others in this forum, and do not deserve, or entitled to our research, time or efforts. Eventually you will see the proof through other means, but not directly from me.
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Maybe that's why you are throwing such a hissy fit over it, and trying to discredit me. Which by the way, I am Mohawk, Bear Clan, by my mother, so I do know who I am, what nation and clan I belong to. So nomore calling me a fraud when you don't even know what you are talking about. Since you continue to support a fraud, after the facts have been clearly stated, then maybe that's what you are. Are you looking in the mirror at yourself again?? Maybe you can answer our questions without throwing childish fits or maybe you aren't capable of that???
Oneh
Niiki Mohawk from Tyendinaga Terriritory
RESPONSE: You are saying that I called YOU a fraud. Not once did I state that in this forum!! I did not ask you what nation or what clan you are from, I do not care!! In my opinion: you accuse everyone in this forum of doing exactly what you do over and over and over again. It is beyond belief that the moderators chastise so many others and allow you to continue to write the things (even after you have been told) you do about and to the people in this forum, it is sickening. In my opinion you are what everyone has said in here and as for continuously accusing others of "childish fits" and "hissy fits" YOU own that! When you are old... hold your hatred tightly, no one else will be around. When you are called to your maker, you will own what happens there, I know I won't be where you end up.
NOTICE TO FORUM: I will not be sending or posting any information proving Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is who he states he is and is not what has been written in here by most of you, mainly Niiki/Redwolf. Any Proof that needs to be given will be forwarded to those of importance. As in our opinion, nothing has to be proven to him (he is of no importance to us and has nothing to say of any legitmacy or credibility) or most others in this forum, and do not deserve, or entitled to our research, time or efforts. Eventually you will see the proof through other means, but not directly from me.
You are piece of work!! As Don has stated before it is very difficult to get through to people to such as yourself! You say that Tecumseh Brown Eagle is who he says he is???? We know have proof and have proven that he is not who says he is. He is carrying a name " Tecumseh" that he has no right to carry. He is not Shawnee, Cherokee, Erie, or NAI for that matter. As for sentencing me to the "land of the tormentors" along with others who stand for the truth and have supported our Chiefs and Clanmothers and will continue to do so, what I see is you are in violation of the Great Law of Peace. We don't need to see any other proof from a warped minded human being such as yourself. We know who he is and what he is not. As far as you indicating that I am the same person, as R., that you are wrong again. Just because someone supports someone who stands for the truth and supports our Chiefs and clanmothers, doesn't make him or her an evil person as you are indicating in your post. Maybe it's time for the moderators of this group to give you the boot out!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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All of you need to quit insulting each other and stick to the facts. The thread is about TBE and you need facts not personal opinions.
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I think that is just what TBE wants to divide Indian people. He and his allies want to destroy Indian people, culture, traditions, even history. They have been totally discredited by scientists who have studied their mythology and debunked it. I have seen these groups and individuals try to infiltrate and subvert Indian groups in the states, then surface with their black supremacist rhetoric and diatribes. All you have to do is go to youtube and search "black Indians" and "critics" you can see just what these people believe.
I am sorry that those who feel it is necessary to defend TBE have stooped to personal insults, but it doesn't surprise me. When these people have nothing else they resort to insults. Nikki has presented the facts and truth to the group, I concur with her and her factual evidence of TBE fraud. The Six Nations and Tyendinaga peoples have expressed their feelings about TBE. If people in this group want to help expose TBE and his group they should repost what Nikki has posted here in all the Indian groups they belong to. The only way to stop a fraud is through exposure.
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I think that is just what TBE wants to divide Indian people. He and his allies want to destroy Indian people, culture, traditions, even history. They have been totally discredited by scientists who have studied their mythology and debunked it. I have seen these groups and individuals try to infiltrate and subvert Indian groups in the states, then surface with their black supremacist rhetoric and diatribes. All you have to do is go to youtube and search "black Indians" and "critics" you can see just what these people believe.
I am sorry that those who feel it is necessary to defend TBE have stooped to personal insults, but it doesn't surprise me. When these people have nothing else they resort to insults. Nikki has presented the facts and truth to the group, I concur with her and her factual evidence of TBE fraud. The Six Nations and Tyendinaga peoples have expressed their feelings about TBE. If people in this group want to help expose TBE and his group they should repost what Nikki has posted here in all the Indian groups they belong to. The only way to stop a fraud is through exposure.
Niawen Gowa Don! You are so right. Unfortunately MS. Hopson is not of Good Mind, and now and even more the truth shall prevail!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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The best way to deal with people that try to disrupt is just deal with the fact of the issue. The side-agendas are of no consequence to the issue. They are merely a distraction.
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Here something that was sent around by Mary Sutherland of the Burlington News: She herself continues to call TBE a Chief and has not listened to the facts about him. I definitely would not waiste $24.99 on listening to his garbage! She also continues to promote a fraud!
Oneh
Niiki
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You always have a certain number of people attracted to these theories of UFO's alien abductions, paranornal activity, Atlantis, and lost pyramids. And selling DVD is commerical, so maybe the conference didn't do that well.
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Or maybe she is giving her fraud friend a cut from what dvd's she sells of his talk.
Oneh
Niiki
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I would guess she gets a cut % wise.
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Vrooman Road bridge replacement plan has some neighbors angry about truck traffic
Posted by Karen Farkas/Plain Dealer Reporter March 01, 2009 07:00AM
Categories: Real Time News
Thomas Ondrey/The Plain DealerThe Vrooman Road bridge over the Grand River is scheduled for replacement in 2012.
LEROY TOWNSHIP -- Plans to replace the oft-flooded Vrooman Road bridge with a $23 million high-level span over the Grand River valley have as many twists as the steep hairpin road.
Irate residents. American Indian burial grounds. Ecological issues, since the Grand River is a state scenic river. And ongoing questions as to why a freeway interchange was even built there in the first place.
After 40 years of debate about what to do, a new bridge is expected to be built in 2012, said Bruce Landeg, chief deputy engineer in Lake County.
"Our mission is to design roads and bridges safe for the public, and this is one that floods and is unsafe for traffic," he said. "We are at odds with those residents, but we feel we are doing the right thing."
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Vrooman Road's two lanes narrow as it heads north from its Interstate 90 interchange. The road descends into the valley, goes over the Grand River, then climbs a ravine to Ohio 84. It will be replaced by a 1,900-foot-long bridge 80 feet above the river.
Planning is under way to determine where the bridge will end in Perry Township -- at Madison Avenue or Lane Road, Landeg said. But bridge piers will not affect the area by the river, and the north end of the bridge will be elevated over any areas that may have American Indian remains.
Vrooman Road resident Debra Daiello, who lives south of the river, said she and her neighbors do not think a new bridge is needed and will fight until the first shovel of dirt is turned. They have a Web site and signs in their front yards opposing the project.
"We are not going to just roll over and say, 'Do what you want,' " she said.
They don't want hundreds of trucks a day traveling through their neighborhood, and a high-level bridge might desecrate documented American Indian burial grounds, they said. The county should leave their road alone, they say, and build a new road and bridge to the east, through a right of way on Lake Metroparks land used for high-voltage power lines.
Landeg said that is not an option.
"For us to build a new road through park land is far more expensive and invasive to the wetlands and environment," he said.
He said residents have known since the early 1960s, after the I-90 interchange was built, that trucks should be able to use Vrooman to travel north to Lake County businesses, although he has no idea why the interchange was built.
"It is virtually unheard of to have a county road off an interstate," said Landeg.
Daiello said it is believed a politician involved in the freeway construction demanded an exit at Vrooman Road instead of Ohio 86, several miles west, because his parents lived on Vrooman.
Development has bypassed the interchange, where the only business is a gas station. Trucks exit I-90 at Ohio 44 or Ohio 528 to go north because they cannot navigate Vrooman's steep grades and curves. The narrow bridge over the river, built in 1952, has a load limit of 16 tons.
Chuck Crow/Plain Dealer fileSpring floods closed the Vrooman Road bridge in 2007.
The river floods the road near the bridge about 30 days a year. But the bridge did survive the devastating flood on July 28, 2006, that destroyed two Lake County bridges over streams that feed into the Grand River.
Those who live in the 18 homes on Vrooman Road relish their rural lifestyle. The road is bordered to the east by land owned by the park district.
In 1968, local and county officials proposed joining Ohio 2 where it ends at U.S. 20 in Perry Township to I-90 via Vrooman Road, but the idea never went forward. They then focused on replacing the bridge. Plans that were developed in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s never proceeded because of reasons that included lack of money, disputes over how high the bridge should be and concerns that the north end of the proposed bridge would disturb the burial grounds and mounds.
"Today's Vrooman Road bridge project is the feasible heir," Landeg said of the project, which will be financed primarily with federal money. "Given this history, the residents along Vrooman Road knew about this or should have known about these improvements for a very, very long time."
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation, whose ancestors lived along the Grand River, said he has met with county engineers and residents.
"We sympathize with the residents but are pro-development," he said. However, he said the bridge should avoid any gravesites near Ohio 84 and Lane Road. Engineers should study using the right of way under the power lines, although that route could include undiscovered burial sites in the Lake Metroparks property, he said.
"They should explore all opportunities," Brown-Eagle said.
Leroy Township Trustee Linda Burhenne said a new bridge is badly needed.
"I absolutely feel for the folks who live up there because it will change the quality of their lives if it goes through as planned," she said. "But realistically, between I-90 and Ohio 84 it is a pretty major route. If you do it, you have to do it right.
"The reality is it is not our bridge and not our road."
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http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:2yYWTeahkvUJ:www.city.cleveland.oh.us/portal/page/portal/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/OfficeofEqualOpportunity/CSB_MBE_FBE_Registry/area%3Farea%3D541611+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
(http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:2yYWTeahkvUJ:www.city.cleveland.oh.us/portal/page/portal/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/OfficeofEqualOpportunity/CSB_MBE_FBE_Registry/area%3Farea%3D541611+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=13&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
Brown Eagle Construction, LLC
Contact: Tecumseh Brown Eagle
1501 N. Marginal Road, Suite 194
Cleveland, OH 44114
Phone: 2162985116
Type: MBE/CSB
General contractor specializing in masonry, concrete, pre-engineered building systems, and commercial construction management.
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You tube : TBE and related youtube links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVos45amYWQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVos45amYWQ)
Oct. 24 Erie Indian Moundbuilders on Casino 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixRIMWSdwI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixRIMWSdwI)
Oct. 24 Erie Indian Moundbuilders on Casino 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWkJCwB2_0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWkJCwB2_0Q)
Oct. 24 Erie Indian Moundbuilders on Casino 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3ZkCmknLOk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3ZkCmknLOk&feature=related)
ISRAELITES BLACK BUSHY HAIRED- WASHITAW INDIANS B4 COLUMBUS .wmv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMCI7QR65n4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMCI7QR65n4&feature=related)
Black Indian myth exposed #2- More of the Otah of what Tecumseh Brown Eagle Promotes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc7go024Xk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdc7go024Xk&feature=related)
Black Indian-Myth Exposed # 1-fact or fiction- This is the Otah that Tecumseh Brown Eagle Promotes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdLCuQVaKs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdLCuQVaKs)
For Afrocentrics claiming Olmecs-Proof that African Americans are not Olmecs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw&feature=related)
DNA PROVES Blacks africans are NOT native americans !! and proves Tecumseh Brown Eagle Wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA3BLIGbxD0&annotation_id=annotation_277880&feature=iv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA3BLIGbxD0&annotation_id=annotation_277880&feature=iv)
DNA PROVES Blacks africans are NOT native americans!! pt2 and proves Tecumseh Brown Eagle Wrong
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NOTICE TO FORUM: I will not be sending or posting any information proving Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is who he states he is and is not what has been written in here by most of you, mainly Niiki/Redwolf. Any Proof that needs to be given will be forwarded to those of importance. As in our opinion, nothing has to be proven to him (he is of no importance to us and has nothing to say of any legitmacy or credibility) or most others in this forum, and do not deserve, or entitled to our research, time or efforts. Eventually you will see the proof through other means, but not directly from me.
I'm not sure whether she's trying to insult me or not, or the entire forum, or just most of the forum. In any case, the ones she and Johnson should be trying so hard to prove everything to are the Six Nations, esp the actual Erie descendants.
Hopson went thru a lot of very elaborate promises she would send the supposed definitive proof she claims there is backing Johnson's claims. She's promised repeatedly in this thread. She sent a series of IMs to all the mods, repeatedly getting our assurances we would keep confidential any personal information in what was sent.
So far nothing, and that's after the last promise to send it all almost a week ago. Of course she is welcome at any time to prove me wrong, as is Johnson himself, or any of the EMB members or supporters.
I just received this email forwarded to me from a member of the Masons, regarding his opinion of Johnson's claim of being a member.
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Concerning this man's association with the Masonic Order. My opinion as a Master Mason of [many] years is that it is highly doubtful that he is a member of a Lodge in good standing.
Reasons: Two. His actions. Any inappropriate attention to the order is frowned on and would result in Masonic discipline.
He is Black or so I think I picked up. While not inherently racist, most Blacks are members of the Prince Hall Order of Masons and are considered clandestine or counterfeit.
Explanation: Each state has a Grand Lodge from which all others are chartered. The Prince Hall lodge was started during the Revolutionary war by British troops with thirteen men of color to confound the war effort. Since it was started without the consent of the Grand Lodge of Mass. it is held to clandestine and therefore invalid.
...I feel confident that if he was ever a Mason he is not now. Some good Native American Mason would have filed charges by now...
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Niawen gowa Educated Indian for the update on Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, aka James Oliver Johnson 111, Tecumseh Brown Eagle. Proof that he is a fraud on all levels. I certainly hope that someone who is a mason will take up the cause to lay charges against him. Now that it has been confirmed that he is not a mason.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Nikki,
Has Mohawk News been notified about TBE? Also what about Six Nations news. The Ontario aboriginal communities and First Nations should be put on alert about TBE. Truth and information is the best way to combat frauds, so spread the word!
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The people who claim that Africans were the original aboriginal people of the Americas comes from the Olmec myth. This video refutes the claim of African influences in pre Columbian America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdLCuQVaKs
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Nikki,
Has Mohawk News been notified about TBE? Also what about Six Nations news. The Ontario aboriginal communities and First Nations should be put on alert about TBE. Truth and information is the best way to combat frauds, so spread the word!
Yes MNN has been contacted about TBE. That's a good idea. Go for it Don!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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this is even funnier than the ones on TBE! More Frauds like Tecumseh Brown Eagle!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZGM5S8aCQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqZGM5S8aCQ&feature=related)
ATTENTION!!! This series contains the most crucial parts of the history of so called "Blacks" Americans that "they" don't want you to know...
The Information found in this series was compiled by Robert H. Strongrivers and Commitee.
Robert H. Strongrivers is The President of the National Olmec American Heritage and Research Committee [N.O.A.H. A.R.C.] , as well as the founder and creator of the Lost Feather Black Indian Website were the original Manuscripts for all of the information can be found.
Lost Feathers Black Indian Website
http://members.tripod.com/pointingbird/lostfeatherintl/id7.htm (http://members.tripod.com/pointingbird/lostfeatherintl/id7.htm)
For more insight on the Moorish info in this series visit:
http://www.mu-atlantis.com (http://www.mu-atlantis.com)
"The Journal of the Moorish Paradigm, by Bro. Hakim Bey.
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From the Seminole Times, a letter written by TBE to the tribal genealogist seeking membership. The genealogist directed him to the Oklahoma Seminoles because of the roll number he included. His intention to join some/any nation is clear and I wonder what other nations he's tried this on...
http://www.seminoletribe.com/tribune/00/june/letters.shtml
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From the Seminole Times, a letter written by TBE to the tribal genealogist seeking membership. The genealogist directed him to the Oklahoma Seminoles because of the roll number he included. His intention to join some/any nation is clear and I wonder what other nations he's tried this on...
http://www.seminoletribe.com/tribune/00/june/letters.shtml
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939&highlight=Erie+Indian+Moundbuilders&page=2 (http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939&highlight=Erie+Indian+Moundbuilders&page=2)
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939&highlight=Erie+Indian+Moundbuilders&page=3
(http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939&highlight=Erie+Indian+Moundbuilders&page=3)
He has tried it with the Alleghany Seneca, with the Six Nations Confederacy by asking them for a Confederacy card in 2008, with the Saponi, as he even entered some of his phony genealogy on the Saponitown website, and he tried it with the Cherokee. It's been verified with the Senecas that they have nothing to do with supporting him.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Taek Won Doh link...No one has ever heard of TBE.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Tae-Kwon-3539/2009/3/Tae-Kwon-credentials.htm
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Taek Won Doh link...No one has ever heard of TBE.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Tae-Kwon-3539/2009/3/Tae-Kwon-credentials.htm
Niawen gowa for your post Don! The more info about how this fraud, Tecumseh Brown Eagle, aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed, James Oliver Johnson 111, has lied about who he is and his accomplishments, the better. People will be able to see for themselves who he really is!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Here is more otah that Tecumseh Brown Eagle has been sending around to others to convince them that he is now Melungeon.
Since he is not Erie, Cherokee, Seminole, Creek, Choctaw, or NAI of any Indigenous Nation, he is now trying to claim to be Melungeon. Instead of him being happy with who he really is, which is Black and also white ancestory. Maybe he should consider a DNA test, because that would settle things once and for all!
It appears this is an old posting that he has pulled out of his OTAH archives!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/metis/message/17569?l=1 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/metis/message/17569?l=1)
Date: 20 Mar 2006 12:56:34 -0000
From: oneidasfordemocracy@yahoogroups.com
To: oneidasfordemocracy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [oneidasfordemocracy] Digest Number 1234
There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Them, Us or We
From: "Tecumseh Brown-Eagle"
2. Special Edition NDN News ~ "Meth on the Rez" ~
From: "tamra@..."
3. Black mesa support
From: "Ad"
4. Sovereignty talk should include self-sufficiency
From: "tamra@..."
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Abdul is now trying to say that he is a descendant of Shikellimy. Others who have reviewed his genealogy, have concluded that he has no blood connection to Shikellimy or any other NAI person who has lived, as the James Oliver Johnson name that he carries, is the result of his family adopting their slave owners name, Johnson. Therefore he is not related by blood to any other Johnson's, other than his own intermediate family. This man , Tecumseh Brown Eagle , is a definite FRAUD! And the more Otah he sends around to others about himself, the more trouble he is getting himself into. So TBE keep digging your own hole to fall into!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Here is another organization that is promoting this Fraud , Tecumseh Brown Eagle,
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:18besVn_x3cJ:www.feathertouchpathandpurpose.com/id31.html+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:18besVn_x3cJ:www.feathertouchpathandpurpose.com/id31.html+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
Join us!!
For the first annual.........
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Welcome to The Lodge at Geneva-on-the-Lake !
FYI: The Lodge has both a small sports bar, as well as a full restaurant for your convenience, if you would like to spend the entire day with us. There is no need to leave the premises of this lovely facility for either meals or refreshment.
“International Holistic Lifestyle Expo” - April 4th & 5th 2009
Expo Update
For the first time ever in greater Ashtabula / Eastern Lake County / and Western Pennsylvania businesses that serve the holistic market will have a collaborative forum to expose the masses to their products and services. The International Holistic Lifestyle Expo will be held at The Lodge at Geneva on the Lake April 4th & 5th 2009--each day, from 10:00 AM to 7:00 PM.
The event is being co-sponsored by Shari Lynn of The Silver Branch in Ashtabula Harbor, Ohio, The Ashtabula Wellness and Total Learning Center, Patricia Holcomb of A Balancing Touch and The Comfy Canine in Willowick, OH, and Hair, There, & Every Wear, also in Willowick.
Tecumseh Brown Eagle, Chief and Chairman of the Erie Indian Mound Builders Tribal nation, holds a BS from Gannon University. He is the Co-chairman of the native American Reconciliation Campaign, and is co-chairman of 29 tribes. He is an authority in Arabic, Hebrew, and Native American languages and histories. He represents healing, compassion, respect, responsibility, and accountability in his work as a Native American historian.
Tecumseh will be lecturing on "The Universality of People from Ancient Sumarians to the Present". His presentation will last about an hour, and will be available both days of the expo.
The International Holistic Lifestyle Expo
is being held at;
The Lodge at Geneva-on-the-Lake
4888 State Rd. 534
Geneva-on-the-Lake, Ohio 44041
April 4th & 5th, 2009
10:00 AM ~ 7:00 PM
For further information, phone;
216-319-0584, or e-mail feathertouch8@att.net
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I believe Shari Lynn, needs to be contacted and told that this man that she is supporting is a Fraud and is not Erie, nor a Chief, nor is he Native American. She needs to know that he is Black and nothing more than that, as he has No NAI blood at all!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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WESTERN DISTRICT. KEYSTONE INSURANCE COMPANY,. Respondent v. ABDUL ABDULLAH-MUHAMMED, NOW. BY CHANGE OF NAME, TECUMSEH. BROWN-EAGLE,.
http://www.aopc.org/OpPosting/Supreme/out/521wal2006.pdf (http://www.aopc.org/OpPosting/Supreme/out/521wal2006.pdf)
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF PENNSYLVANIA
WESTERN DISTRICT
KEYSTONE INSURANCE COMPANY,
Respondent
v.
ABDUL ABDULLAH-MUHAMMED, NOW
BY CHANGE OF NAME, TECUMSEH
BROWN-EAGLE,
Petitioner
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No. 521 WAL 2006
Petition for Allowance of Appeal from the
Order of the Superior Court
ORDER
PER CURIAM:
AND NOW, this 13th day of March, 2007, the Petition for Allowance of Appeal is
hereby DENIED.
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Here is another organization that is promoting this Fraud , Tecumseh Brown Eagle,
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:18besVn_x3cJ:www.feathertouchpathandpurpose.com/id31.html+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:18besVn_x3cJ:www.feathertouchpathandpurpose.com/id31.html+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
He is the Co-chairman of the native American Reconciliation Campaign....
Tecumseh will be lecturing on "The Universality of People from Ancient Sumarians to the Present".
I might be more impressed by his supposed scholarship if Sumerian was spelled right. Using universal as a buzzword is pretty common practice among the "Moorish Science" crowd.
That alleged NA Reconciiliation Campaign?
Found a Yahoo 360 about it that says they are a nonprofit, but not much more. Led by someone calling herself Gypsy Ohoyo who claims to be a clan mother, tribe never named.
http://360.yahoo.com/profile-lKvVajY2YrZkiUKb1iVDez0A
The first thing that jumps out at you, besides all the Franklin Mint plate images of NDNs is their list of tribes. The Beothuk? They're extinct, wiped out by the French a couple centuries ago.
If you go to the site's blog, you get writings about the Cherokee Freedmen. At the bottom you see her mentioning the split between her and another Freedmen's group.
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http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-lKvVajY2YrZkiUKb1iVDez0A
AM HOLDING MY BREATH RIGHT NOW THAT THE IRS WILL GIVE FD5CT, INC. A PERMANT RULING, IF I GET IT I WILL BE DOING SOME REORGANIZING. I KNOW BLACKINDIAN UNITED LEGAL DEFENSE AND EDUCATION FUND AND THE DESCENDANTS OF FREEDMEN OF THE FIVE CIVILIZED TRIBES ASSOCATION HAS TO FILE THE SAME 990 AND THE 8734 AS WELL SINCE ALL THESE GROUPS WERE FORMED ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
MARILYN’S GROUP AS PEOPLE CALL IT RACKED IN SOME DOUGH A LOT FROM BEGGING..ANGELA MOLETE HAS DONE WHATEVER SHE WANTED TO DO WITH BLACK INDIAN UNITED AND IN HER FORMS SHE MUST SHOW THIS GROUP WAS THE ALLIED GROUP FOR FD5CT, INC. AS THAT GROUP (WHICH I ALSO DUMPED MY 500.00 TO START) HAS NOT DONE ONE THING FOR FD5CT, INC. I’M NOT SURE IT WILL MAKE IT. TIME WILL TELL. THE BOARD WAS SET AS HER HUSBAND, HER MOTHER, MY SON AND MY SISTER. WITH 25 CHARTERED MEMBERS HER FAMILY AND MINE. YOU KNOW I STACKED IT MORE SO WITH MY OWN FAMILY. I FILLED OUT ALL PAPER WORK.1024, EIN ECT..WROTE THE BY LAWS THAT I LEAVE ONLINE AND PAID THE 500.00 START UP FEE. AS WE HAD TO REMAIN TWO ENTIES I HAVE NEVER INQUIRED INTO THE WORKINGS OF THIS FOUNDATION. ANGELA MOLETTE CALLS HERSELF THE SPOKES-PERSON HOWEVER NOT ONE CHARTER MEMBER OR BOARD MEMBERS IN MY FAMILY HAS EVERY BEEN NOTIFIED OF ANYTHING AND I DO MEAN ANYTHING. HER NAME STILL APPEARS AS THE VICE CHAIRMAN AND SHE KNOW SHE CAN NOT BE IN BOTH GROUPS RUNING ANYTHING. SHE HAS DONE NOTHING HERE AND WILL BE REMOVED ONCE I GET THE RULING. WE ARE STILL COVERED UNDER THE ADVANCE RULING UNTIL THE IRS CHANGES THAT STATUS. FD5CT, INC. IS SQUEAKY CLEAN AND I MEAN TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
GYPSY
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Another website mentions the campaign as being run by JC Watts, Black conservative Republican congressman from Oklahoma.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=6201995&blogId=334016896
And here's Johnson's part in the campaign, him signed at the bottom.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-lKvVajY2YrZkiUKb1iVDez0A?p=32
Notice they have a group called Coalition Allied Tribal Sovereigns or CATS. I couldn't find CATS mentioned anywhere except this site. The campaign doesn't seem to have much luck either. Only the Burlington website mentions them, plus their own websites.
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More on Gypsy Ohoyo.
Mentioned in Final Call, the Nation of Islam paper.
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_3408.shtml
"Gypsy Ohoyo, Chairman of the Freedmen Descendants of the 5 Civilized Tribes, Inc...."
Another public series of emails was posted, mentioning they are losing members of tribes, tribes not named.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-lKvVajY2YrZkiUKb1iVDez0A?p=123
Another site mentions Freedmen issues, Ohoyo, and "Chief Running Deer". CRD is head of the Cherokee Blackfoot Cultural Circle. Nikki, you may want to look at the thread we have on them.
http://www.imeem.com/people/9LdZaK/music/kDRWDUUT/stacy-leeds-gypsy-ohoyo-chief-running-deer-melvin-shoat/
Her ebay profile has her photo.
http://myworld.ebay.com/gypsy-ohoyo
Nikki, have you thought about contacting Ohoyo? Her organization of Freedmen descendants may not want to have their cause hurt by being linked to Johnson.
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Nikki, have you thought about contacting Ohoyo? Her organization of Freedmen descendants may not want to have their cause hurt by being linked to Johnson.
Niawen Gowa for your posts Educated Indian and yes Ohoyo has been contacted just now! We will see what happens with that.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Here is a post from a previous forum this is still current information about Tecumseh Brown Eagle, aka Abdul Abdulla Mohammed or Muhammed, James Oliver Johnson 111:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:veHUnN_EISUJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Dprintpage%3Btopic%3D82.0+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:veHUnN_EISUJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Dprintpage%3Btopic%3D82.0+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
"Title: Nuwabians, Washitaw, Binay Mythology-Robbing Native Cultures
Post by: Don Naconna on August 21, 2008, 06:16:14 PM
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This video by Jaime Andes is an excellent critique of the Afrocentrics claim that Native American culture and civilization came from Africa. Please note that scholars such as Warren Barbour et al have disproved these theories with extensive on site research, in an highly acclaimed article Robbing Native Culture. Tecumseh Brown Eagle (Erie Tribe of Mound Builders), the Washitaw and Nuwabians, the Binay "Tribe", Black Native American Association, Cherokee Blackfoot Cultural Center all follow this mythology. These "theories" are inherently anti Indian.
I am working on a book on all of these cults and other so called black Indians, which I hope to complete in the next year, and Al knows. I welcome contributions from members who uncoverd any black Indian cults and frauds, like those mentioned above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdLCuQVaKs&feature=related
Thanks for your attention, I look forward to your responses."
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I do hope that members will follow the activities of these people. They use every trick they can to guilt trip people. TBE gets whites to believe his story, because of racial guilt and his new age preaching. Its not just because their beliefs are racially biased against Indians, but because underlying all the rhetoric is a core set of black supremacist beliefs. As a person of mixed ancestry I totally oppose black supremacy and white supremacy, these frauds rely on guilt and race hatred to build their organisations. TBE claims to be the chief of 28 nations in the US and Canada! Once people, particularly confused and greedy black people, get the idea that all blacks are actually "Indians" and that Indians have been getting the "benefits" that rightfully belong to black people racial conflicts are inevitable. I have seen the smear campaign of Al Carroll and this group in indianz.com, those super Indians would be well advised to look for frauds instead attacking the only people who are.
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This is from a black supremacist yahoogroup. This is what TBE really believes in and supports...http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Luv4self_Network/message/44252
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Niawen gowa Don for your information! Word has come back from some of our Chiefs, that Tecumseh Brown Eagle has been in touch with some of them up here trying to again to promote himself as an NAI and saying all that has been said here in this forum is "just rumours". He has even accused certain people of lying about him. Also he stated he is going to pay us a visit up here in 2 weeks, to talk to us about setting up a Casino somewhere in Ontario. The Chiefs that he talked to have just laughed and are not going to take him seriously, as they know he is Fraud. They also know he is Black and not NAI as he claims, so therefore he will get no where with his requests with the Six Nations Confederacy. I hope this is a clear and final message to him and his supporters that we want nothing more to do with him and his Otah.
He also is still trying to promote himself as the best candidate than others within our Confederacy to be involved in the Bruce Nuclear Power Plant issue! Does this smell of a terrorist and a terrorist organization? Why such interest in pushing a nuclear power plant down our peoples throats, when it has not even been discussed in Council yet nor as a whole within our community? Is it because he has some sort of "plans" involving other activities in relationship to terrorism? As he has certainly made contact with people up here recently, and has behaved very much like a terrorist. This behavior only supports what Don has posted about his connection with Black Supremacist groups.
Food for thought.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Regardless of his fabricated genealogy he has no valid reason for being in Canada in te first place. Groups that he is involved with clearly have advocated racial hatred (Southern Poverty Law Center lists the Nuwabians as a hate group) against other groups. What the hell is an American citizen doing "advising" anyone on Bruce Nuclear Power which is in Ontario, where I and 11.5 other CANADIAN live and BTW pay taxes. Shouldn't Canada Border Services be keeping this fraud out of the country instead of harassing aboriginal Canadians for exercising the legal rights.
TBE is just one of many, these black Indian frauds are gaining ground here and in the states. TBE has taken the black Indian myth to a new height, he has got some Indians and white new age people fooled. Seeing his video on a Ohio gaming commission is just one indication what their real goal is, acceptance and recognition. At first some of these people may appear like allies to aboriginal activists, but probe their motivation and you'll see something different. Racial surpremacists have their own agenda and by definition no one else counts, that's the nature of racism. TBE created a tribe and an amazing genealogy that appears to include everyone except Montezuma and Jesus Christ. He claims to be a full blood Indian from at least 4 tribes, but appears to be a full blood African, who also claims to be descended from the great families of Europe. Wow what a history, but he also claims to have knowledge of the "ancients" and also the people of "Mu" (Atlantis) and Planet X (Where dead black Muslims go to be with W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammed)...
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I meant to write , sorry, "I and 11.5 million Canadians live and pay taxes" (Ontario)
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Regardless of his fabricated genealogy he has no valid reason for being in Canada in te first place. Groups that he is involved with clearly have advocated racial hatred (Southern Poverty Law Center lists the Nuwabians as a hate group) against other groups. What the hell is an American citizen doing "advising" anyone on Bruce Nuclear Power which is in Ontario, where I and 11.5 other CANADIAN live and BTW pay taxes. Shouldn't Canada Border Services be keeping this fraud out of the country instead of harassing aboriginal Canadians for exercising the legal rights.
TBE is just one of many, these black Indian frauds are gaining ground here and in the states. TBE has taken the black Indian myth to a new height, he has got some Indians and white new age people fooled. Seeing his video on a Ohio gaming commission is just one indication what their real goal is, acceptance and recognition. At first some of these people may appear like allies to aboriginal activists, but probe their motivation and you'll see something different. Racial surpremacists have their own agenda and by definition no one else counts, that's the nature of racism. TBE created a tribe and an amazing genealogy that appears to include everyone except Montezuma and Jesus Christ. He claims to be a full blood Indian from at least 4 tribes, but appears to be a full blood African, who also claims to be descended from the great families of Europe. Wow what a history, but he also claims to have knowledge of the "ancients" and also the people of "Mu" (Atlantis) and Planet X (Where dead black Muslims go to be with W.D. Fard and Elijah Muhammed)...
Niawen Gowa Don for your comments on Abdul! Along with that he has also suggested to more than one person, that if there were any human remains, found at any Erie/Neutral sites, including that of the proposed site of the Naticoke Nuclear Power Plant site, that it would be Okay to move the ancestors out of the way, because he and the EIMTN are "pro-development". He suggested moving them to the Mounds in Toronto, once again disturbing the peace of our ancient ancestors, to make room for others from other locations. Many of our people object to his ideas, as any removal of our ancestors to make room for development is a violation of our Great Law.
You are right Don, TBE has no right to say anything up here, as he has no rights as an Indigenous person. He needs to be happy being a Black African American because that's what he is. He also needs to stay in his boat and stay out of our canoe! Yes I agree the Canadian border services should be keeping this Fraud, Tecumseh Brown Eagle, from crossing that "Imaginary Line", as the Jay Treaty does not apply to him.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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You haveto remember this man has invented his own history, which means that he has no respect for other's histories. As a black supremacist American and as far as I'm concerned he has invaded my country. And that pisses me off!
I believe that too many Indians don't realise how much of a threat these so called black Indians are to them. TBE is claiming to be a chief if an extinct tribe, and claiming almost hald of the continent. I believe that people are afraid of being called racists if they say anything about black people regardless of how insane or criminal they may be. I am mixed race and don't play the guilt game, so I'm immune to TBE. I am also a very politically active Canadian and will use my influence to see that TBE is barred from entering Canada.
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You haveto remember this man has invented his own history, which means that he has no respect for other's histories. As a black supremacist American and as far as I'm concerned he has invaded my country. And that pisses me off!
I believe that too many Indians don't realise how much of a threat these so called black Indians are to them. TBE is claiming to be a chief if an extinct tribe, and claiming almost hald of the continent. I believe that people are afraid of being called racists if they say anything about black people regardless of how insane or criminal they may be. I am mixed race and don't play the guilt game, so I'm immune to TBE. I am also a very politically active Canadian and will use my influence to see that TBE is barred from entering Canada.
Sego Don;
Yes go for it Don, as we have gotten word that he is terrorizing some of our Chiefs at Six Nations using FBI surveillance threats on them and others who are supporting our traditional leaders. He needs to be stopped and dealt with immediately.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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It's also been confirmed that Tecumseh Brown Eagle, Aka Abdul Abulla Mohammed or Muhammed, James Oliver Johnson 111, has been and is getting financially supported by Greg Rubino, involved in Mob related actives, whereas he was brought up on Cocciane charges, been investigated by the FBI on 3 occasions. Joseph Mays, the attorney for Greg Rubino's Passport Co's., (real estate)
and Energy companies, and Casinos.
These are really big, powerful men that are somehow in cahoots with the FBI as narcs due to Rubino's cocaine bust years ago, or land grabbers and big money casino operators and energy companies. They just got the tire-burning plant in Erie, and Tecumseh and "Erie Moundbuilders Indians" are PART of that desecration of the air .
So if Abdul thinks he has some sort of favour with the FBI and can use them to terrorize traditional people who are supporters of the Confederacy, that is soon to backfire on him. As he is the one who has a lot to worry about in that regard. So survail away, as I hope they are able to gather a ton of investigative material on this website, to use against Abdul, and put him where he belongs, behind bars for a very long time !
So anyone else who has incriminating evidence on Johnson to share , please don't be afraid to post it here, as the more the better.
It is also known and veriified that the 28 Nations that he claims to be a Chairman of, again are not the 30 Indigenous that are in Oklahoma, as many of them don't even know who Tecumseh Brown Eagle is.
These 28 nations, that claims to chair, are these fake Black Indian groups who are also Black Supremacist groups and also hold the same ideals as what Don had mentioned on previous posts.
I would suggest a google of Greg Rubino for starters!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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For anyone who doubts TBE's real agenda look at this from the Binay group.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackIndiansopenforum/message/6381
This is Jerry Monroe's (Chief Jerry Eaglefeather) phony tribe the Binay (Black Indian Intertribal Native American Association, BIINAA) which is named after his organization although he claims that Binay comes from an ancient indigenous language. These people are so phony any intelligent person can see right through them.
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This is where TBE and the "black Indians" are on Delphi Forums http://forums.delphiforums.com/BlkIndians/messages/?msg=745.7.
There are as number of notables delusionals including Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe and of course Charles Thompson AKA cjt2010 and of course the Washitaws.
Its amazes me just how many black people claim to be Indian because of some mulatto ancestor who the family assumed to be an Indian. According to them there are at least 25 million of them!
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This is where TBE and the "black Indians" are on Delphi Forums http://forums.delphiforums.com/BlkIndians/messages/?msg=745.7.
There are as number of notables delusionals including Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe and of course Charles Thompson AKA cjt2010 and of course the Washitaws.
Its amazes me just how many black people claim to be Indian because of some mulatto ancestor who the family assumed to be an Indian. According to them there are at least 25 million of them!
They should all have a DNA test done! I bet they would find that the vast majority of them have no Native blood at all. For the most part, they are white and black.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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DNA the great lie detector! The problem with DNA is it is only as good as the test. Some are just as phony as TBE...
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My DNA tests indicate that I am almost equal parts African and aboriginal and the majority is Caucasian. My grandparents were mixed Cherokee/Creek and English on my mother's side. My father is a mulatto French/African/English. As far as I'm concerned being part Cherokee does not make me or anyone else an Indian. I was not raised in an Indian community, but am enrolled. I don't even live in the states and have no connection to the tribe. That doesn't mean that I don't believe that people who have no blood have the right to steal aboriginal heritage and traditions.
I believe that the reason these people hate me so much is that I am what I claim to be, and thats not a black Indian, but a mixed race man with Indian blood who has been accepted. It is really insignificant to me because I became a Canadian over 40 years ago. TBE and his ilk are just racists trying to make a fast buck, like any fraud.
What bothers me more than imposters like TBE are the professional "Indians" like the so called "pundits" in indianz.com who are totally obsessed with proving who is the most Indian. I have learned that most internet Indians are NOT Indians, whether they are black or white. When I exposed a notorious black imposter, Charles Thompson AKA Chuck AKA charles48141 I was attacked. He's like the group's black mascot.
Anything I can do to help Canadian aboriginal people to fight against people like TBE I will. I don't want to see these people move into my country. Nikki, let me know what you need for legal action, I support you and your people in any action you take.
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It's also been confirmed that Tecumseh Brown Eagle, Aka Abdul Abulla Mohammed or Muhammed, James Oliver Johnson 111, has been and is getting financially supported by Greg Rubino, involved in Mob related actives, whereas he was brought up on Cocciane charges, been investigated by the FBI on 3 occasions. Joseph Mays, the attorney for Greg Rubino's Passport Co's., (real estate)
and Energy companies, and Casinos.
These are really big, powerful men that are somehow in cahoots with the FBI as narcs due to Rubino's cocaine bust years ago, or land grabbers and big money casino operators and energy companies. They just got the tire-burning plant in Erie, and Tecumseh and "Erie Moundbuilders Indians" are PART of that desecration of the air .
This is pretty important. Can you point us to evidence of the criminal charges and exactly how Johnson is involved?
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It's also been confirmed that Tecumseh Brown Eagle, Aka Abdul Abulla Mohammed or Muhammed, James Oliver Johnson 111, has been and is getting financially supported by Greg Rubino, involved in Mob related actives, whereas he was brought up on Cocciane charges, been investigated by the FBI on 3 occasions. Joseph Mays, the attorney for Greg Rubino's Passport Co's., (real estate)
and Energy companies, and Casinos.
These are really big, powerful men that are somehow in cahoots with the FBI as narcs due to Rubino's cocaine bust years ago, or land grabbers and big money casino operators and energy companies. They just got the tire-burning plant in Erie, and Tecumseh and "Erie Moundbuilders Indians" are PART of that desecration of the air .
This is pretty important. Can you point us to evidence of the criminal charges and exactly how Johnson is involved?
Do a google search on Greg Rubino and also Johnson is involved with Rubino because Rubino is his funding source. Notations of these things were received through other sources that I am not able to divulge where they came from. It will be held in file if TBE decides to sue us. It can all be used against him as he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinga Mohawk Territory
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Anything I can do to help Canadian aboriginal people to fight against people like TBE I will. I don't want to see these people move into my country. Nikki, let me know what you need for legal action, I support you and your people in any action you take.
Don you could also submit to CESIS the information on TBE as that has already been done with the FBI on the other side. You could also contact imigration and the border patrol offices to make sure that he is not permitted entry into Canada again. Also what needs to happen is charges laid for his fraudulent business practices.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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If TBE has a criminal record in the US he cannot legally enter Canada. It would help if you could research that. If he has any connections to organised crime or frauds he would be inadmissible. This man seems to have used multiple names and identities so it may be difficult to trace.
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If TBE has a criminal record in the US he cannot legally enter Canada. It would help if you could research that. If he has any connections to organised crime or frauds he would be inadmissible. This man seems to have used multiple names and identities so it may be difficult to trace.
Other names he has used is: Erie Resurrected Indigenous Entity Indians, c/o Abdul-Muta Abdullah-Muhammed, 410 Cherry St. #412, Erie, PA 16507-1136
That's his tax exempt organization
Other names are: Abdul-Muta Alli Abdullah-Muhammed
Abdul-Muta'al- Servant of the Most High o Abdul-Muttalib...Hadrat Ali ( may Allah bless his countenance)
Organization: Daughters of Isis of North & South America, 410 Cherry St. #412, Erie, Pa 16507-1136
Director: Linda Shabazz-Muhammed, wife of Abul ( James Oliver Johnson 111 & Tecumseh Brown Eagle)
another address: 196 Pharaoh Court, Pharaoh, PA.. Note: Both Muhammed & Shabazz are Islamic names.
Islamic Cultural Center of Erie Pennsylvania, 9 East 12th St, Erie, PA 16501
Abdullah Shabazz home is at:
410 Cherry St.
Erie, PA 16507-1136
No phone number listing
410 Cherry St. is about 2000 ft from Gannon University.
The puzzle is fitting together!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Nikki,
TBE is an American so his records would only be accessible in the states. I'm in Toronto and only have access to records that may be on line. You can find out about state records and charges from the Pennsylvania Office of the Attorney General. I used to live in PA and am familiar with the state laws regarding fraud. I'll see what I can find out from friends who are in state government. The governor is a former DA so there is vey little tolerance for fraud and con artists.
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Nikki,
TBE is an American so his records would only be accessible in the states. I'm in Toronto and only have access to records that may be on line. You can find out about state records and charges from the Pennsylvania Office of the Attorney General. I used to live in PA and am familiar with the state laws regarding fraud. I'll see what I can find out from friends who are in state government. The governor is a former DA so there is very little tolerance for fraud and con artists.
Niawen gowa Don. Go for it Don!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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LETTER SENT TO STEVE PRUITT TODAY
Steve Pruitt,
I am in receipt of your last email changing the date of the conference call. Allow me to please point out a few important concerns.
FD5CT, Inc. met you in April of 2006 alone with representatives of 5 of the Indigenous (Freedmen) Nation., coming from California, Colorado, Kansas and Missouri. Please note that we rallied to attend with less than 10 days notice at our own expense. (Our good faith effort). At that meeting we were presented a game plan as to our gaining the recognition that we have spent the last 20 years working toward. We were making head way by route of the Department of Interior, who had advised the BIA to address the concerns of the 5 Freedmen Nations. (Copy of that letter was forwarded to you). Our progress was stalled based on your campaign proposal
In your presentation you advised of the two types of tribal entities that the J. C. Watts, group would represent. The historical Tribe and the Freedmen Tribes. Tecumseh Brown-Eagle was to chair the historical side and I, Eleanor “Gypsy” Wyatt was to chair the Freedmen side.
The first face to face meeting was to occur in June 2006 (this did not happen) however based on your words FD5CT, Inc. in a good faith effort and to gain the support of congress spent a total of 252 hours putting together congressional 43 reports including Diane Watson, background history of our plight, letters issued by congress in the late 1800s calling for the correction of the disenfranchisement of the Indians with black skin a courtesy report done on your mother’s maiden name for you and letters from the Department of the Interior. We included 6 executed contracts and burned our citizens names and address along with the above mentioned report to disc for your convenience. I was instructed by you after the Onam to Morgan Stanley change to send the invoice to you for payment (it is Attached, however this invoice remains unpaid).
The following are the scheduled dates for meetings that were to be held in Washington, DC that were canceled.....Dec. 4-6, 2006, Jan. 22-24, 2007 and Feb. 19-22, 2007. after the first scheduled meeting of June 2006 did not occur.
Conference calls have met the same faith however let me recap one that did occur: conference call of May 8, 2007
Steve:
The following are points of expression that you shared with the Tribal Representatives during the conference call on Tuesday, May 8, 2007.
BASED UPON THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT:
· “House passed the Virginia Indian's Bill; it moves onto the Senate - the importance of this move is now we know who supports our efforts”,
· “We have all 42 Congressional Black Caucus members on board”,
· “We have Diane Watson, John Conyers, and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and A. Davis introducing our Bill the first week of June as a Private Bill; what this means is we by-pass the Bureau of Indian Affairs and it will not require the full vote of the Senate. It will go to Committee and what they recommend is the way it usually rolls”,
· “Morgan Stanley does not want the Bill delayed”,
· “The 3rd Thursday of each month is when Private Bills are considered by the Judiciary Committee thus it could occur in June or July”,
· “I will be sending the certified copies of the signed Cooperative Agreements of all the Tribes who are at present included in the Campaign”,
· “Tribes will be added to our website as clients some time in the next week or two as an update has been planned”,
· “Black Caucus/Congress sees the big picture now; not just the Black Cherokees; Campaign will not be delayed for other Tribes that wish to come on board; and add on at a later date is in place”.
· “The only problem we face right now is to hope Bush is not impeached; if they start the impeachment process….everything goes on the back burner”.
· “I will attempt to have another conference call sometime next week to hopefully set up the D.C. Campaign kick-off meeting”.
There are hundreds of thousand Freedmen descendants many have called Rep Diane Washington’s office and all are told the same thing THEY KNOW OF NO OTHER GROUP OR ANYTHING ABOUT A PRIVATE BILL. Per the information in the May 8, 2007 conference call Diane Watson, John Conyers, and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and A. Davis were to introducing our Bill the first week of June as a Private Bill that too did not happen. (This was taken from an email you have confirmed was the summary of that conference call.). Meaning the bill was already drafted without the input of those who it was to cover. I am not an attorney, however I know my history better than any attorney, for I’ve research it for the past 25 years and other than Dr. Gavin Clarkson, choctaw attorney and professor I know of no attorney that is well versed in the history of all 5 Freedmen Nation. I may be sticking my neck out on a limb here but I’m willing to say the same for Hamaz and Tecumseh Brown-Eagle.
How does one function as a chairman of anything when they are not informed of the inter-workings? All information I have receive comes from news reports, speaking among ourselves (Hamaz and Tecumseh Brown-Eagle and myself) and online message boards. Hamaz has shared an email from you more or less stating you are the star player. This raises grave concerns for me as Indians with dark skin play this game as a team, we have NO star players. I was under the impression that you were working toward the betterment of Indians with dark skin, none of us puts ourselves above the rest. None of us has not followed through on anything we have stated for our word is our bond.
This campaign was to kick off one year ago as of June 2007, the only people who knows anything about the limited amount of action is a select few. I note all your emails are sent to my chiefs, council members, my United Nations contact, Hamaz and Tecumseh Brown-Eagle. (The people I keep informed). Who are the others that are in this campaign? Are they informed as well?
I understand Rome was not built in a day but surly they laid the corner stone in a year. We have seen no action NONE in a year and two months. You say Morgan Stanley is backing this campaign is that a true statement for we have nothing to say they are. If this email sounds disgruntle then it has served its purpose for there is trouble in paradise, we are NOT happy campers. The simplest thing as adding our names to your websites client list was not done. I do however note Joe Byrd is listed. A good faith effort is needed on your part. Paying the attached invoice is needed on your part. Communication that is not enlisted by one of us is needed on your part.
Our word has been our bond from the onset with the exception of your health issues we can not understand the delays for your words have produced NO fruit.
As too our lost contracts due to staff turn over did all these you have previously mentioned leave the campaign? JCWC will have a 6 member project management team working on this project. In addition to Steve Pruitt, the team will include Ms. Angela Sailor, Ms. Lindsey Mitchell, Mr. Tripp Baird, Mr. Joe Byrd and Mr. Elroy Sailor.
Eleanor “Gypsy” Wyatt
Chairman of the Board, FD5CT, Inc. (A 501 c3 Native American Foundation)
Clan’s Mother to 5 Indigenous Freedmen Nations (Chickasaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek and Seminole)
Monday July 2, 2007 - 01:45pm (CDT)
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Steve(Brother) Pruit is one of the leaders of the reparations for slavery movement in the states. Brother Pruit is in all the black supremacist groups trying to recruit black people to all of his reparations schemes. He's been quiet for a while because of the economy (people are interested in trillions in reparations with no economy), but I've seen him at it again recently.
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TBE is involved in a job development programme with Greg Rubino in Erie, PA. He is listed as a recruiter for minority job trainees. This appears to be some sheltered minority contract. My experience with these types of sheltered bidding contracts is that minorities and women act as fronts to get affirmative action status, they are given titles and salaries while the "partners" (white businesses) get the real money. TBE is apparently representing himself as "Chief" of an Indian nation and also being black is eligible for affirmative action status. I really doubt that any minority job trainees ever got a damned think from this programme, but I'm sure TBE and Rubino did paid.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS02/805070361/0/lifestyles07
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TBE's plan may include using the provisions of the Jay Treaty to claim free border crossing. If he can get any US entity to recognize him he would be able to cross the border without inspection.
This is from a friend Hunter Bear, an American Indian, about the Jay Treaty...
NOTE BY HUNTER BEAR:
Spring 2009: This is a brief update note on the functional status of the Jay Treaty [1794] as things now stand -- with respect to Native people. Essentially, the Treaty remains quite intact and, as a ratified treaty, cannot be formally amended nor modified without the consent of the national signatories. [That would be, to say the least, cumbersome.] What has changed, however, is the increasingly prejudiced and discriminatory interpretative views of many U.S. Immigration officials -- often quite un-educated as to Native Americans and the Jay Treaty -- when it comes to "permitting" the free passage of Native people to and fro re the United States. This back and forth free passage is guaranteed by the Jay Treaty and these negatively arbitrary judgments, by U.S. officials especially, constitute functional treaty violations.
As decades and generations passed following Jay and the subsequent Treaty of Ghent, the U.S. began to seek "identification/ verification" of Native status via tribal agency or Federal governmental "Indian cards" , or sometimes baptismal certificates. Again, as time passed, immigration officials came to try to insist on at least one-half "blood" status. All of this constituted a departure from, at the least, the spirit of the Jay Treaty.
But following the September 11, 2001, tragedy in New York City, the resultant atmosphere in the 'States obviously became more and more and more security conscious -- sometimes taking on the characteristics of outright fear and hysteria. Under the Bush administration, a wide variety of repressive policies -- some initiated via statute but others simply administrative -- flourished. On the Canadian border, this led to U.S. immigration and related officials often becoming increasingly restrictive and negative in their interpretations of "who is an Indian?" in the matter of the promise of the Jay Treaty. This frequently paranoid perception and practice led to U.S. efforts to block entrance by some Natives who, in the opinion of the frequently uninformed and often prejudiced opinion of the Immigration officer, "didn't look Indian." And, in a number of the those situations, the officials' judgments trumped the fact that the Native individual had all of the "proper" documentation -- e.g., "Indian card."
This sorry and increasingly complicated situation, to put it mildly, has led to much well justified Native protest and formal litigation in the U.S. Federal court system. If it's always been a battle for Native rights to be recognized and respected under, among other things, the Jay Treaty, it is much more of one at this point.
The situation for Native people seeking entrance into the United States, and/or residence therein, under the provisions of the Jay Treaty has, thanks to the Bush version of Homeland Security and corollary agencies, become ever more complicated -- and tangled.
Protests and court litigation will continue. And, with the election of a new administration in Washington, DC, new and fresh and rational winds appear -- appear -- to be blowing. Let's hope and work toward those new winds reaching the U.S. Canadian border, simplifying border-crossing procedures, and rejuvenating the commitments and promises to Native people by the Jay Treaty [and Ghent etc.]
Hunter Gray [Hunter Bear]
HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq /St. Francis
Abenaki/St. Regis Mohawk
Protected by Na´shdo´i´ba´i´
and Ohkwari'
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TBE is involved in a job development programme with Greg Rubino in Erie, PA. He is listed as a recruiter for minority job trainees. This appears to be some sheltered minority contract. My experience with these types of sheltered bidding contracts is that minorities and women act as fronts to get affirmative action status, they are given titles and salaries while the "partners" (white businesses) get the real money. TBE is apparently representing himself as "Chief" of an Indian nation and also being black is eligible for affirmative action status. I really doubt that any minority job trainees ever got a damned think from this programme, but I'm sure TBE and Rubino did paid.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS02/805070361/0/lifestyles07
You may be right Don! Considering how many other businesses TBE has his sticky fingers into!
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/development/ (http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/development/)
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TBE's plan may include using the provisions of the Jay Treaty to claim free border crossing. If he can get any US entity to recognize him he would be able to cross the border without inspection.
Yes he did try this with the Alleghany Seneca, the Tonawanda Seneca and the Six Nations Confederacy and will get no where with us.
We know that he is not able to get recognition by the US Government because of a previous post by Kosowith:
"It drives me crazy when fakes, or misinformed people make outragious claims, especially when so many legitimate groups/people suffer for this idiocy. I know this is a very long post but to do the subject justice would take several hundred pages and I will spare you that
I’ve been thinking about one of the original posts about that “Tecumseh Brown, et al” and the various responses,indicating that it had recently come to their attention that many of Brown’s claims were false. Forgive me it I am quoting wrong or if I remember the post about the claims that Brown made as those quotes are no longer available on line. And for those in the U.S. please forgive the British spellings, I can’t get my computer to keep its U.S. spellings. Another reason to buy local despite what seems to be a great bargain price.
There seems to be a GREAT deal of misinformation and lack of knowledge about, basic legal concepts, Indian law, the recognition process, and the role and jurisdiction of the UN and world courts are I would like to give a very brief and superficial overview. Please understand that to really understand takes years and years of study and these are ALWAYS shifting sands. What I mean is, law, both in the US and internationally is under constant re-clarification and change. That is how the court system works. This is not a comment on the justice of how this works or not – just how it is done.
First – the process for a North American Indian group living within the boundaries of the United States to attain federal recognition and government to government status. (It is very different in Canada, so I am only looking at the US statues and proceedures)
Application must be made through the BAR (Branch of Acknowledgement and Research) within the BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs) which is part of the Department of the Interior.
The BAR implements 25 CFR Part 83 – Procedures for Establishing that an American Indian Groups Exists as an Indian Tribe. The BAR consists of approximately eleven (11) staff persons -- professional anthropologists, genealogists and historians -- who evaluate petitions for federal recognition and make recommendations to the Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs on whether to approve or deny each petition.
Of the over 300 applications received between 1954, when the US began terminating American Indian Nation-US relationships, (terminating tribes) and 2007 only 15 have passed BAR review to proceed onto the next stage, or review by the Assistant Secretary of the Interior. MOST of these are groups that held recognition prior to the Termination Act and immediately upon termination began the process to gain re-recognition. They have the clearest documentation based on the fact that they were recognized prior to 1950. Even for them, as the BAR states, “Exceptional anthropological, genealogical and historical research is required for any consideration.”
Forbidden from application are: associations, organizations, corporations or groups of any character that have been formed in recent times (post 1934 is considered recent by most researchers) Splinter groups, political factions or groups of any nature that separate from the main body of a currently recognized tribe.
Criteria REQUIRED for petition to be accepted for further evaluation: The Assistant Secretary will acknowledge the existence of the petitioner as an Indian tribe if it satisfies all of the following criteria:
a. The petitioner has been identified as an American Indian entity on a continuous basis since 1900.
b. A predominant portion of the petitioning group comprises a distinct community and has existed as a community from historical times until the present. c. The petitioner has maintained political influence or authority over its members as an autonomous entity from historical times until the present.
d. It submits to the BAR a copy of the group's present governing document including its membership criteria which must follow IRA regulations
e. The petitioner's membership consists of individuals who descend from a historical Indian tribe or from historical Indian tribes which combined and functioned as a single autonomous political entity. (It must also submit a copy of each available former list of members based on the group's own criterion).
There are other rules that apply to groups that were terminated, but would not apply to the Erie.
For a good example of how difficult the historic criteria (identified as an American Indian entity on a substantially continuous basis since 1900) is, you can take the example of the followers of Little Shell who were not given land at the same time as Stone Child and Little Bear, even though the Canadian government and the US government have documentation as their being a separate group, their intermarriage, continued relationship with other Chippewa-Cree groups has prohibited them from the final acceptance of the Dept. of Interior. They have state recognition, but so far, not federal. This is the same for almost all of the groups who have reached the final review status.
It is my understanding from what was posted on line and from what I have seen of some of Mr. Brown’s claims on his sites, that they would have difficulty with all of these. Also,
Since the introduction of the American Indian Gaming Act – 12 States have filed suits against the BIA for recognizing groups within their boundaries that they do not want to have gaming establishments. The ruling of the Supreme Court in February 2009 (just last month for this
posting) ruled for Rhode Island and against the Tribes. So, it is getting even more difficult to establish recognition.
So now lets switch to International law – and Mr. Browns ludicrous assertion that he could file some sort of action against the US, the Seneca or anything else.
The International Court of Justice Court or ICJ; (Cour internationale de Justice) is the primary judicial organ of the United Nations. It is based in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands. Its main functions are to settle legal disputes submitted to it by member states and to give advisory opinions on legal questions submitted to it by duly authorized international organizations, agencies, and the UN General Assembly.
Not by unrecognized groups within a member state – especially anyone that exists in a member state that sits on the Security Council. (is: the US)
The ICJ should not be confused with the International Criminal Court, which also potentially has some "global" jurisdiction. The United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986, and so accepts the court's jurisdiction only on a case-to-case basis. Chapter XIV of the United Nations Charter authorizes the UN Security Council to enforce World Court rulings, but such enforcement is subject to the veto power of the five permanent members of the Council.(One of which is the US)
In contentious cases (adversial proceedings seeking to settle a dispute), the ICJ produces a binding ruling between states that agree to submit to the ruling of the court. Only nation states may be parties in contentious cases. Individuals, corporations, parts of a federal state, NGOs, and self-determination groups are excluded from direct participation in cases.
Jurisdiction is often a crucial question for the Court in contentious cases. The key principle is that the ICJ has jurisdiction only on the basis of consent.
International Court of Appeals (Also in the Hague) has the jurisdiction over cases in which an entity has already files a suit against a nation-state and has lost. It is similar to the Supreme Court in the US and can only review cases that have passed through all other appeals. (US Supreme Court, North American Appeals Court, Appeals Court of the Americas, etc.) Then and only then will it review. AND – this is again non-binding. A negative judgment only provides negative press.
At this time I won’t even begin to comment on the rather idiotic assertions that he or his group have ANY rights to NAMAI or anything else."
So who is this TBE that he thinks that he can contact our people, our chiefs and leaders threatening the way he does??? He is nothing to us and he can go to hell!! You don't scare us Tecumseh Brown Eagle, aka Abdul Abdulla Shabazz Muhammed Mohammed, James Oliver Johnson 111 , who is African American Muslem and not a NAI!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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After Jerry "Eaglefeather" discovered that TBE was a bigger fraud than his tribe, he broke off his connection with him. I got a very nasty email from him yesterday. Nikki, "Chief" Jerry Eaglefeather, claims to to be recognised by these people (from his email) " Chief Kenny BlackSmith and Grand Chief Linda Prince of Canada and the Mohawks of Tiendenega territory". Do you know these people, are they from your Nation, let them know about this thread and the black Indian thread.
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After Jerry "Eaglefeather" discovered that TBE was a bigger fraud than his tribe, he broke off his connection with him. I got a very nasty email from him yesterday. Nikki, "Chief" Jerry Eaglefeather, claims to to be recognised by these people (from his email) " Chief Kenny BlackSmith and Grand Chief Linda Prince of Canada and the Mohawks of Tiendenega territory". Do you know these people, are they from your Nation, let them know about this thread and the black Indian thread.
If I were you Don I would ignore the nasty email from TBE as these are his tactics. He has no recognition from any of our people or any one from the Six Nations Confederacy or any of our communities Tyendinaga included. He has no recognition from the Mohawks of Tyendinaga Territory.
He is full of OTAH. If I were you I would tell TBE to go to hell!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Nikki, my mistake. The nasty email was from one of the other "black Indians", Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe. He was associated with TBE is his group the "Binay" tribe. Now that he's seen this thread he has disconnected from TBE. Ask the folks in your nation if they recognise "Chief Jerry Eaglefeather" and the "Binay Tribe".
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Nikki, my mistake. The nasty email was from one of the other "black Indians", Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe. He was associated with TBE is his group the "Binay" tribe. Now that he's seen this thread he has disconnected from TBE. Ask the folks in your nation if they recognise "Chief Jerry Eaglefeather" and the "Binay Tribe".
No we do not recognize Jerry Eaglefeather and the Binay Tribe. No one from any of our Six Nation Confederacy communities recognizes these people.
You can also tell Jerry Eaglefeather and the Binay Tribe to go to hell too! Who do they think they are, as they are all nothing to us.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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That's what I thought! Oh what a tangled web they weave...
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That's what I thought! Oh what a tangled web they weave...
Yes and they all use the same terrorizing tactics, to threaten, you, others within our Confederacy, others supporting our Confederacy, the moderators of this group, and whoever they think that they can scare into not speaking the truth about this. I am glad you are one of the brave ones who continues to speak the truth about them as I will , because none of them scare me, nor do they scare any of us who know who we are, and are protected under the shelter of the Great Tree of Long Leaves.
These terrorists even go to the extent of getting others like Jerry Eaglefeather, TBE's lawyer, TBE's investor, to try and threaten us , as none of this will work or stop us from speaking the truth.
These people who do operate like this, have shown us who they really are, through their actions, and we know that they have no concern or care for the future or future generations, as they are wrapped up in this corrupt fast money society, which breeds more greed and corruption. You have pointed out in your previous posts of TBE's investor and Tecumseh Brown Eagle's corruption. I am sure there will be more that we will find out about. And the song that the "Big Woman" is singing about Tecumseh Brown Eagle and "his guys", is " you are corrupt, you are frauds, and you are all a bunch of putzes."
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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After Jerry "Eaglefeather" discovered that TBE was a bigger fraud than his tribe, he broke off his connection with him. I got a very nasty email from him yesterday. Nikki, "Chief" Jerry Eaglefeather, claims to to be recognised by these people (from his email) " Chief Kenny BlackSmith and Grand Chief Linda Prince of Canada and the Mohawks of Tiendenega territory". Do you know these people, are they from your Nation, let them know about this thread and the black Indian thread.
It has been confirmed from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory that Kenny , who lives in Ottawa, On, member of the Cree Nation of Mistissini, and member of the Cree Nation of Eeyou/Eenou Istchee. He is an elected
Councilor, on the Council of the Cree Nation of Mistissini. Lynda Prince is also not Mohawk and not from Six Nations, as she is a tribal member of Carrier Sekani Nations of British Columbia.
Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe is not known by our people nor is Mohawk.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:qrPX2VxIIIQJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Drecent+Jerry+Eaglefeather+Monroe&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:qrPX2VxIIIQJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Drecent+Jerry+Eaglefeather+Monroe&cd=33&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
Post by Educated indian: "Other groups influenced by Moorish Science include the Binay Tribe, the Cherokee Blackfoot Cultural Circle, and the Erie Indian Mound Builders Tribe (EIMBT). The Binays began as the Black Indian Intertribal Native American Association (BIINAA) and then morphed into a mix of fundamentalism and Black Nationalist politics. The Binay are led by Jerry Monroe AKA Jerry Eaglefeather, a lay Christian minister and former hip-hop MC who claims to be Apache/Mohawk. The Cherokee Blackfoot Cultural Circle is based in New York and claims territory from Texas to Lake Superior. Their leader calls himself Shaman Red Deer the Ascending Avatar. The EIMBT is led by Erik Johnson III AKA Tecumseh Brown Eagle AKA Abdullah Mohammed. Johnson claims to have 139 members and has inserted himself in Mohawk activism against (he is actually in support of) nuclear power plants, gaming issues, and the protection of sacred sites ( only if they are not in the way of development )."
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:veHUnN_EISUJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Dprintpage%3Btopic%3D82.0+Jerry+Eaglefeather+Monroe&cd=28&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:veHUnN_EISUJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Dprintpage%3Btopic%3D82.0+Jerry+Eaglefeather+Monroe&cd=28&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
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It's also been confirmed that Tecumseh Brown Eagle, Aka Abdul Abulla Mohammed or Muhammed, James Oliver Johnson 111, has been and is getting financially supported by Greg Rubino, involved in Mob related actives, whereas he was brought up on Cocciane charges, been investigated by the FBI on 3 occasions. Joseph Mays, the attorney for Greg Rubino's Passport Co's., (real estate)
and Energy companies, and Casinos.
These are really big, powerful men that are somehow in cahoots with the FBI as narcs due to Rubino's cocaine bust years ago, or land grabbers and big money casino operators and energy companies. They just got the tire-burning plant in Erie, and Tecumseh and "Erie Moundbuilders Indians" are PART of that desecration of the air .
This is pretty important. Can you point us to evidence of the criminal charges and exactly how Johnson is involved?
Do a google search on Greg Rubino and also Johnson is involved with Rubino because Rubino is his funding source. Notations of these things were received through other sources that I am not able to divulge where they came from. It will be held in file if TBE decides to sue us. It can all be used against him as he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinga Mohawk Territory
I think I must qualify thingsa lot more than Nikki is doing here.
Rubino does have a long history of being accused of organized crime dealings or being a member himself. That includes accounts of him doing or buying drugs.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/NEWS02/511040373&SearchID=73284562744226
Whether the feds made a deal to let him off is something I haven't found yet online.
Don did find the ties between Rubino and Johnson, the minority partnership and hiring agreements. BUt I feel I must stress, there is no evidence of Johnson being involved in organized crime, drug dealing, etc, himself.
If there is, someone please point that out to me.
Incidentally, Rubino's company has contacted me. They are threatening to sue Redwolf, accusing him of libeling Rubino on "your blog." They seem quite confused about many things, but they are demanding to know Redwolf's address and phone. I don't have either of those, but wouldn't give it if I did.
Still, I urge Nikki to let Redwolf know what's going on.
And perhapsthe journalist on the story Don posted, Jim Carroll, should be contacted. Ask him to do a story on Rubino's dealings with a fraud and his fraudulent "tribe."
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It's also been confirmed that Tecumseh Brown Eagle, Aka Abdul Abulla Mohammed or Muhammed, James Oliver Johnson 111, has been and is getting financially supported by Greg Rubino, involved in Mob related actives, whereas he was brought up on Cocciane charges, been investigated by the FBI on 3 occasions. Joseph Mays, the attorney for Greg Rubino's Passport Co's., (real estate)
and Energy companies, and Casinos.
These are really big, powerful men that are somehow in cahoots with the FBI as narcs due to Rubino's cocaine bust years ago, or land grabbers and big money casino operators and energy companies. They just got the tire-burning plant in Erie, and Tecumseh and "Erie Moundbuilders Indians" are PART of that desecration of the air .
This is pretty important. Can you point us to evidence of the criminal charges and exactly how Johnson is involved?
Do a google search on Greg Rubino and also Johnson is involved with Rubino because Rubino is his funding source. Notations of these things were received through other sources that I am not able to divulge where they came from. It will be held in file if TBE decides to sue us. It can all be used against him as he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on!!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinga Mohawk Territory
I think I must qualify thingsa lot more than Nikki is doing here.
Rubino does have a long history of being accused of organized crime dealings or being a member himself. That includes accounts of him doing or buying drugs.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/NEWS02/511040373&SearchID=73284562744226
Whether the feds made a deal to let him off is something I haven't found yet online.
Don did find the ties between Rubino and Johnson, the minority partnership and hiring agreements. BUt I feel I must stress, there is no evidence of Johnson being involved in organized crime, drug dealing, etc, himself.
If there is, someone please point that out to me.
Incidentally, Rubino's company has contacted me. They are threatening to sue Redwolf, accusing him of libeling Rubino on "your blog." They seem quite confused about many things, but they are demanding to know Redwolf's address and phone. I don't have either of those, but wouldn't give it if I did.
Still, I urge Nikki to let Redwolf know what's going on.
And perhapsthe journalist on the story Don posted, Jim Carroll, should be contacted. Ask him to do a story on Rubino's dealings with a fraud and his fraudulent "tribe."
He already knows what is going on and is immuned to their threats, as any US law does not apply to people living in Canada.
Also anyone from Six Nations is immuned to their threats as we are not under colonial laws. Any contact by Rubino & Abdul to him would considered harrassment and also terrorrism. Also others have been named in letter from Rubino as well, another person is Al Carroll, who also been threatened by Rubino & Abdul.
So Rubino and his Abdul can go to hell!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
Niiki from Tyendinga
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Rubino does have a long history of being accused of organized crime dealings or being a member himself. That includes accounts of him doing or buying drugs.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/NEWS02/511040373&SearchID=73284562744226
Whether the feds made a deal to let him off is something I haven't found yet online.
Don did find the ties between Rubino and Johnson, the minority partnership and hiring agreements. BUt I feel I must stress, there is no evidence of Johnson being involved in organized crime, drug dealing, etc, himself.
If there is, someone please point that out to me.
As far as Rubino goes we have received information, not found on line verifying Rubino's involvement as well and the Feds letting him off. The info that was posted that Rubino considers libelous, was from the received information from another source, again not found on line. Along with this information, it has been verified that Rubino and Abdul are also naming others that they are legally going after, another is Al Carroll.
As far as no evidence that Johnson is involved in organized crime, drug dealing and etc, himself, that is all being investigated as we speak. So verification of that will be forthcoming. What is very suspicious about TBE , is why 7 different names? That alone is suspicion that he is involved in more than what we know,in order to hide from what???
1.) Tecumseh Brown Eagle- changed name from Abdul Abdullah Mohammed or Muhammed just prior to 2007.
2.) James Oliver Johnson 111
3.) Abdul Abdullah Mohammed
4.) Abdul Abdullah Muhammed
5.) Abdul-Muta Ali Abdullah-Muhammad
6.) Abdul-Muta'al o Abdul-Muttalib..Hadrat Ali
7.) Abdullah Shabaz
His Wife: Linda V. Shabazz-Muhammad ( Muhammed, Mohammed)-http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/tribal_government/ (http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/tribal_government/) COUNCIL PERSON Linda Shabazz-Muhammad
Abdullah Shabaz & Linda Shabaz home:
410 Cherry Street, Erie, PA 16507-1136
ERIE INDIAN MOUNDBUILDERS TRIBAL NATION GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE
In a meeting held on September 23rd, 2006, the membership voted
and passed the government structure and officers as follows:
CHIEF/CHAIRMAN Tecumseh Brown-Eagle
VICE CHAIRMAN Harold Atkinson
TREASURER Barney Richard Atkinson
SECRETARY Fred Axtell
COUNCIL PERSON Charles Martini
COUNCIL PERSON Jackie Easterling
COUNCIL PERSON Linda Shabazz-Muhammad
COUNCIL PERSON Samuel Copeland
ALTERNATE COUNCIL PERSON Ruby May Decker Crockett
ALTERNATE COUNCIL PERSON Dale Edward Barney
TRIBAL SENIOR DEACON James J. Taylor
Organization Names:
1.) Erie Resurrected Indigenous Entity Indians- Charitable Organization- 10/1999
2.) Daughters of Isis of North & South America- Non-profit Organization
3.) Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation - Non-Profit Organization
The address for all three of these organizations are the same:
410 Cherry St., Erie, PA. 16507-1136
Several other businesses and business names:
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/development/ (http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/development/)
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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I have googled Rubino and found his ties to TBE. I didn't find out anything else about his history, criminal record etc. If this Rubino does not have a criminal record you can't claim that he is a criminal, which he may well be, but without a conviction record you have no proof.
TBE is another case, he has clearly mislead people for his personal gain. He has misrepresented his genealogy to appear to be something that he is not and after re-reading his family history its truly incredible that anyone believes him. But because I know his real history and ties, its not surprising. Black Indian frauds always claim some sort of religious background as the basis for their legitimacy, making them almost immune to exposure, because as "religious leaders" they are protected by law. How many TV preachers are multimillion dollar frauds? TBE's Nuwaubian/Washitaw beliefs provide him with a "creation story" so he can claim as they do, that he IS an "original black indigenous" person. He also comes out of the black Muslims with their black supremacist theories and UFO myths, whcih appeal to new agers and black supremacists. Jerry believes that he is on a "mission" for Jesus, and like every black preacher he expects to get paid, and paid well, by his "tribe" (church) the Binay members. Some of his members are Indians who are attracted to his religion. I met some at a pow wow in Maryland years ago with him and it was like a church picnic and he was the preacher with a plate full of food. LOL
I've followed these groups for almost 10 years now and believe that they are capable of anything to protect their businesses. TBE is better educated and therefore more dangerous, because he sounds and writes well (Jerry is semi literate). I believe that TBE is after recognition and gambling as the video from Ohio indicate.
Be careful these people can be dangerous, white frauds are dangerous too, because exposure means losing their fronts, and that's all about money. That's one reason I have at least 20 email addies and screen profiles, they play virus games to shut down their enemies.
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I have googled Rubino and found his ties to TBE. I didn't find out anything else about his history, criminal record etc. If this Rubino does not have a criminal record you can't claim that he is a criminal, which he may well be, but without a conviction record you have no proof.
Here is the proof of Greg Rubino's criminal activities:
"Greg Rubino: 6 FBI Probes/Cocaine/Organized Crime
Nov 4 2005:
cache of http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/NEWS02/511040373&SearchID=73284562744226 (http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051104/NEWS02/511040373&SearchID=73284562744226)
Rubino named in 6 FBI probes
BY ED PALATTELLA
ed.palattella@timesnews.com [more details]
Published: November 04. 2005 1:15AM
An FBI agent testified that the name of Erie developer Greg Rubino came up in six FBI investigations between September 1979 and June of this year, including one probe from the late 1980s that involved drugs and organized crime.
Abiding by restrictions imposed by a judge, however, the agent did not provide details about the investigations or why Rubino's name surfaced in them. Rubino was never charged in any of the probes.
Further public disclosures --if a judge were to allow them to occur -- would come later in Mayor Rick Filippi's public-corruption case.
Rubino is a main prosecution witness in the case because of his role as the local developer for the planned horse racing track and slot-machines casino in Summit Township.
Filippi is accused of using inside information from the Mayor's Office to speculate on land near the site of the former International Paper Co. plant in 2003, when Rubino was pitching the horse racing track for that location. Filippi and two co-defendants -- lawyers Eric Purchase and Rolf Patberg -- were indicted in December.
The defendants' lawyers have been trying to get access to FBI records to determine whether Rubino has cooperated in previous investigations with the FBI, which is helping the state Attorney General's Office prosecute Filippi in Erie County Common Pleas Court. The defense wants the information on Rubino to question his credibility.
Filippi's lead lawyer, Leonard Ambrose, aggressively pursued that strategy during Thursday's two-and-a-half-hour pretrial hearing, at which the only witness was Jeffrey Killeen, an FBI agent and lawyer from Pittsburgh. He testified that Rubino's name came up in six FBI files, or investigations, between Sept. 14, 1979, and June 10, 2005.
Ambrose tried to glean whether any of the records Killeen found showed Rubino was an FBI informant. Killeen, testifying in the courtroom of Judge Ernest J. DiSantis Jr., told Ambrose that he searched FBI informant files when he was looking for records on Rubino.
"Was there any information in the informant section that referred to Rubino?" Ambrose asked.
Killeen never answered. The lead prosecutor, Margaret Cassidy, a senior deputy attorney general, objected that the question was not relevant, and DiSantis agreed.
DiSantis has been privately reviewing all the FBI records on Rubino to determine what information to admit at Filippi's yet-to-be-scheduled trial. DiSantis said Thursday's hearing was meant only to help him decide whether the FBI had found all the records on Rubino -- not what is in those records. DiSantis said he will rule later on the admissibility of the information.
The closest Killeen came to identifying the nature of the investigations came when he told Ambrose that one of the probes, from the late 1980s, was filed under the FBI file label 245-149. The "245" designation, Killeen said, refers to investigations involving drugs and organized crime.
"Organized-crime investigations would be any type of organization that is committing a crime," Killeen testified. "It would not be limited to La Cosa Nostra, it would not be limited to Mafia investigations."
La Cosa Nostra -- Italian for "this thing of ours"-- refers to the traditional Mafia. Law enforcement agencies also use the term "Mafia" to refer to other organized-crime groups.
Neither Rubino nor his lawyers attended the hearing. In a telephone interview afterward, one of the lawyers, David Agresti, said he had no comment.
"In order to preserve the integrity of Judge DiSantis' hearing, we will refrain from commenting on the hearing at this time," Agresti said.
In an interview Tuesday, Agresti said that at that point, he had seen no information that supported Ambrose's claim that Rubino cooperated with the FBI in previous investigations. Agresti said he had not seen the documents DiSantis is reviewing in private.
DiSantis called Thursday's hearing after the FBI failed to find all its records on Rubino during a search in July and August. Killeen had assured DiSantis and U.S. District Judge Sean J. McLaughlin in late August that he was confident the FBI had found all the records, only to turn up more in September.
Killeen testified that he had ordered Kelly Smith, the FBI agent on the Filippi case, to conduct the first search. Killeen said he conducted the second records search after he determined Smith's search failed to turn up all the records.
Killeen said he started his search "from scratch." He said he went through all possible pertinent FBI records himself to "not show good faith here, but best faith."
The second search turned up 14 additional records on Rubino, according to Killeen's Sept. 16 letter to DiSantis.
Killeen testified he believes Smith failed to find all the records in the first search because Smith misunderstood how to conduct a records search -- what Killeen called "FBI 101"-- to make sure the search was complete.
Killeen said he found new agents also have that same misunderstanding. He said he contacted a top FBI training official about his concerns.
Smith did not attend the hearing. In an interview after the hearing, Andrew Wilson, the head of the FBI office in Erie, said Smith and anyone else in the office could not comment because of Disantis' gag order in the Filippi case.
According to documents Ambrose has filed in the Filippi case, Rubino's name came up in an Erie drug investigation in the late 1980s involving convicted drug kingpin Patrick DiLoreto and a number of co-conspirators. DiLoreto, whom Ambrose represented, was convicted twice in U.S. District Court in Erie -- in 1988 and at a retrial in 1990.
The exhibits in Ambrose's court filings in the Filippi case include records that show an immunized witness in the federal drug case testified that he used powder cocaine with Rubino and sold cocaine to him during the period from the summer of 1984 through early 1987.
Rubino was never charged in the case. His lawyers have called the testimony "inaccurate." Rubino's lawyers declined repeated requests from the Erie Times-News to interview Rubino on the record about the federal court documents Ambrose used as exhibits.
The FBI at one time considered investigating Rubino in a drug case in the late 1980s, Killeen said in a Sept. 16 letter that he sent to DiSantis in preparation for Thursday's hearing. The letter does not detail why the FBI did not investigate Rubino, and DiSantis' restrictions prevented Killeen from testifying about the specifics of that case on Thursday.
ED PALATTELLA can be reached at 870-1813 or by e-mail.
WHAT'S NEXT
Erie County Judge Ernest J. DiSantis Jr. over the next several weeks will decide what information on Erie developer Greg Rubino is admissible at the trial of Erie Mayor Rick Filippi.
DiSantis said in court on Thursday that whatever evidence he admits will be available to the defense for cross-examination of Rubino, a main prosecution witness against Filippi.
DiSantis has not disclosed the contents of the FBI records he is reviewing about Rubino, and no one in the case has said whether Rubino ever cooperated with the FBI, which Filippi's lawyers are alleging. The FBI is helping the state Attorney General's Office prosecute Filippi.
DiSantis said in court that some of the issues he is considering, as he decides what information to admit into evidence, are:
Whether Rubino cooperated with the FBI in previous investigations;
Whether Rubino reached an agreement with the FBI to cooperate in the Filippi case;
Whether any previous cooperation can be linked to the current case.
DeSantis said that no matter what information he admits, he will not allow the defense to get into specifics about any investigation.
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Downs pushes for gaming license
BY JOHN GUERRIERO
john.guerriero@timesnews.com [more details]
Published: April 22. 2006 12:01AM
Presque Isle Downs is the only player for a slots license in Erie County.But state Sen. Jane Earll of Fairview wants the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board to scrutinize the company's finances to make sure it can deliver what it promised the community -- a $220 million project that will create 750 jobs with an average salary of $25,000.Earll and 14 others, including Presque Isle Downs Chief Executive Ted Arneault, testified Friday before a three-member panel of the gaming board. The hearing represented one of the last key steps before the board considers a gaming license for the company as part of Pennsylvania's entry into the casino business.Presque Isle Downs could get a decision around Labor Day on a temporary license that will allow it to start offering 1,600 slot machines to customers this fall at its entertainment complex now under construction in Summit Township.Three casino operators are competing for a stand-alone slots parlor in Pittsburgh, where the gaming board heard testimony earlier this week.
But Presque Isle Downs, whose license will be tied to the company's plan to open a thoroughbred horse racing track in fall 2007, has no competition for its gaming license. The company made its case, while others offered pros and cons, before about 60 people at the low-key board hearing in the 243-seat auditorium at Gannon University's Zurn Science Center.Board members Sanford Rivers, Kenneth T. McCabe and Michael P. Edmiston, director of hearings and appeals, presided over the two-hour hearing.Earll, R-49th Dist., urged the gaming board to make sure that Presque Isle Downs and its parent company, MTR Gaming Group Inc., have the financial wherewithal to carry out its financial commitment to the community.Earll said she wasn't suggesting that the company couldn't deliver, but she wants the board to analyze the company's finances as it would in places where companies are competing for licenses."My challenge to the gaming board is, please conduct the same thorough analysis up here as you would elsewhere in the state regardless of whether this is the only slots license applicant or not," she said.
Nick Hays, the gaming board's spokesman, said the board is treating all applicants the same in its review of finances, tax records, backgrounds and other information.MTR said this week that it must borrow $125 million, some of which will pay for completion of its 273-acre complex south of Interstate 90 and east of Route 97 in Summit. The company hopes to complete a $125 million bond offering in May with investment banking firm Jeffries & Co., and it has a $100 million line of credit from Wells Fargo Bank, Arneault said.Arneault told the board that the parent company has plenty of reserves and anticipated cash to complete the project, into which it has already invested $90 million.Chester, W.Va.-based MTR announced the specific amount of its planned borrowing two weeks after it said in its annual report that it needs to secure more financing to complete Presque Isle Downs. The annual report, released March 30, came as the parent company announced a drop in its fourth-quarter profits.Net income for the quarter was just $41,000, compared with $2.6 million for the same period a year ago, even though revenues rose by 17 percent for the quarter to $82.1 million.
Company spokesman John Brabender said borrowing for a large-scale project is not unusual. "With a project of this magnitude, rarely does someone just write a check," he said.Arneault told the board that Presque Isle Downs is in an "extremely strong market," with Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh within easy driving distances.Arneault said the project will create 750 direct jobs and 1,500 to 2,000 related independent jobs for jockeys, trainers and others in the horse racing industry. An average of 300 people a day will work on building the clubhouse and track complex, where site work began Oct. 3.Arneault said that Erie is already a draw for tourists who spend more than $500 million annually in Erie County. He said that Presque Isle Downs will be a year-round boost to the tourism economy, with slots open 12 months a year and other wintertime attractions such as snowmobile races on the track.The horses are expected to run 100 days a year starting in 2008, its first full season.
"We think Erie is going to become the tourism prize of Pennsylvania," Arneault said.Citing job creation and increased tourism, state Rep. Florindo Fabrizio of Erie, D-2nd Dist., told the board that awarding of the gaming license may represent "the single most important economic-development initiative" in the community in years.Fabrizio, whose district includes Summit Township, told the board that he endorses the gaming application without hesitation. Others who spoke for it included Summit Supervisor Marlin Coon, and Nancy Agostine, Summit's zoning administrator.Earll, too, said that Presque Isle Downs will be another attraction in a town with Presque Isle State Park and other major tourist draws. "It's not every day that a publicly traded company wants to invest $200 million here," she said.The board also heard testimony from Gary Horton, chief executive of Urban Erie Community Development Corp., and from Michael Chevalier, president of Preferred Systems Inc., about ensuring hiring diversity.
Chevalier and Horton urged the hiring of minorities."Let's spread the wealth,"Chevalier said.Arneault said the company has a diversity-hiring program and a diversified work force.The board also heard from church leaders who said that problem gamblers will lead to increases in divorces, crime, and other social ills.State-sponsored "big gambling" is a "moral outrage that has William Penn figuratively spinning in his grave," said Leonard J. Ransil, an elder at Grace Fellowship Church. Most of the money for gambling will come from the people who could least afford it, he said.JOHN GUERRIERO can be reached at 870-1690 or by e-mail.
More Details About Presque Isle Downs
More details emerged Friday at the state Gaming Control Board's hearing about plans for Presque Isle Downs. As explained by Erie architect Shelley Buehler, those plans include the following: The track will have a three-story clubhouse where the 1,600 slot machines will be located, with later expansion to 2,000 slots. The first-floor, Vegas-style slots casino will feature a "speakeasy"theme, with murals of Erie scenes from the 1930s and 1940s. Other first-floor features will include a 60-seat, fine-dining restaurant, called La Bonne Vie (French for "the good life"); a casual buffet-style restaurant with 120 seats, with a buffet area that will include another 200 seats for off-track betting and live horse track betting; a bar and lounge; an outdoor covered patio area with 250 seats and a view of the racetrack; and a Pennsylvania lottery ticket-sales office. Second-floor features will include 420 seats in a terrace-style restaurant for the clubhouse overlooking the track, and a bar and lounge. The third floor will be for racing officials, the press and other operations of the thoroughbred track.Presque Isle Downs TimelineSept. 28, 2002: Pennsylvania Horse Racing Commission issues a thoroughbred racing license for the site in Summit Township.Oct. 3, 2005: After years of litigation and proposals to move the track to either McKean Township or the city of Erie, site work begins on the 273-acre property south of Interstate 90 and east of Route 97.Fall 2006: Presque Isle Downs proposes to open its slots casino, provided the state Gaming Control Board awards a gaming license.Fall 2007: Presque Isle Downs proposes to open its 1-mile oval thoroughbred horse racing track with a grand-opening celebration.Source: Ted Arneault, Presque Isle Downs chief executive
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Tires with energy plant;
State Rep. Florindo Fabrizio, left, and state Sen. Jane Earll listen to speakers during the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board hearing in Erie Friday. (Rob Engelhardt / Erie Times-News)
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(Tire burning for energy)
Greg Rubino and Caletta Renewable Energy introduce our business and highlight important areas on our site. As more information becomes available, we will post it here for your review.
The disposition of tires is a significant problem in Pennsylvania. Although substantial progress has been made in recent years by PaDEP in dealing with the steady accumulation of tire piles across the Commonwealth, Pennsylvania and surrounding states continue to generate and accumulate millions of scrap tires each year. Some of these tires are recycled in various ways, but tire accumulation continues to pose a threat to public safety and public health. In fact, discarded tires are a main breeding ground for mosquitoes which potentially carry West Nile virus.
Developing new uses for waste tires, like the ERE Plant, are critical for the success of the initiative to reduce and eliminate these piles. As a much better alternative to stockpiling or land-filling waste tires, the ERE Plant will convert tires into renewable energy with the low emissions characteristic of a circulating fluidized bed system. The reduction in greenhouse gases produced will be in excess of 300 cubic meters of total gases per ton of tires consumed as fuel, with all of the methane and all but 24 cubic meters of the CO2 eliminated.
If you are a large power user and employer in the Erie area and wish to purchase power from ERE, please contact us with your requirements. We will have our power experts respond to your inquiry.
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Greg Rubino Welcomes you to Erie Renewable Energy
Erie Renewable Energy was formed in 2006 as a joint venture of Conservation Development Associates, LLC ("CDA") from Erie, Pennsylvania and Caletta Renewable Energy, LLC ("Caletta") from Boston, Massachusetts.
Caletta is involved with multiple energy-generation projects using waste materials that would othwerwise be disposed of in landfills. This true recycling of waste materials allows Caletta to achieve its twin goals of generating renewable, sustainable power and reducing disposal of waste in landfills. This coupled approach means Caletta is producing much-needed electric power for consumers while simultaneously eliminating the environmental burdens created by landfilling materials which can be safely used to produce power.
CDA was formed by family interests of Greg Rubino, an Erie-based developer, and Owen McCormick of Joseph McCormick Construction of Erie. Greg and Owen are committed to maintaining local ownership and participation in the power plant to ensure local vendors, local workers and local businesses enjoy the full benefit of recycling waste tires into a sustainable source of electric power.
Our Business Philosophy
Recycle waste into energy.
Employ the best available technology to maintain the highest environmental standards.
Focus on local economic development goals of new jobs and investment.
Our Consultants
ERE has assembled an excellent team of consultants to help design the power plant. This team has an unsurpased track record of environmentally-sensitive economic devlopment. One of our team members is Bill Staph, Managing Principal of Atlantic Environmental, Inc. Atlantic handled the environmental permitting and construcion at the recently-completed Presque Isle Downs, where Atlantic implemented state-of-the art wetland systems and established a 62-acre preserve on the banks of Walnut Creek.
Each month, we will feature a different member of our team of consultants.
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Greg Rubino Welcomes You to Passport Companies in Erie Pa
Greg Rubino is owner and operator of Passport Companies. Each of the companies plays a focused role in our main goal, which is to take our clients from where they are today to where they want to be tomorrow. Passport Companies offer our clients an a la carte menu of a comprehensive range of products and services including:
Commercial Property Sales & Leasing
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We have numerous flexible programs for every type of commercial real estate. We also have an extensive grouping of affiliated resources in the environmental and permitting arenas.
We are poised to deliver these services in a streamlined, efficient and reliable manner for projects ranging from industrial expansions to retail store relocations. We are truly a “one-stop shop” for all of your real estate needs, and we can provide various real estate consulting services through our network of Passport Team Members. Click here to access the website for our latest project, Erie Renewable Energy
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Passport Development, LLC
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See "Ties to Erie" article mentions Greg Rubino
April 11, 2008
Tires-to-energy in Erie, PA
The Buffalo News recently ran an in depth article on a proposed tires-to-energy plant in Erie, Pennsylvania. The massive plant would generate 100 megawatts of electricity by burning 900 tons of waste tires every day.
This isn't what most of us think of when we advocate for alternative energy in the Great Lakes region, and a grass-roots organization has formed to fight the plant. Keep Erie’s Environment Protected, or KEEP, is "concerned about the pollutants that would be pumped into the air through its 300-foot smokestack."
There's always room for reasoned debate, and the article presents both sides. But I'd have to say Greg Rubino, one of the developers, probably did his cause no favor by trying to argue that Buffalo was not downwind from Erie.
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STOPP is at
http://www.stopburningtires.com/ (http://www.stopburningtires.com/)
The anti-tire burning website/Environmentalists.
NEW KEEP HEADLINES:
Public Informational Meeting Thursday January, 29th at 7:00 PM. The meeting will be held at the Mount Calvary Gym on East Lake Road.
Fundraiser February 15 from 3 to 5 PM at the Sunset Inn.
How hard is it for tire plant supporters to understand: TIRE PLANT = POOR HEALTH - we don't want it, not here, not now, not ever!!!!
The Erie School District makes a stand - read the approved resolution from thier October 30th meeting.
Highlights from a presentation by Andy Glass - Director Erie County Board of Health - GET THE FACTS HERE!
Erie County Medical Society - "exceeding the present emissions of the worst polluting county industries combined"
The American Lung Association has released a statement in regards to the "tires to energy plant." Read all about their comments on the potential health impacts that it could bring.
RESOLUTION NUMBER 2008-02 from the Erie County Board of Health.
Watch these important videos and be informed:
Kenton Kovich sings the KEEP Message - Clean Air!
Hear Keep President Randy Barnes Speak From The Proposed Site.
Know the facts! View the KEEP PSA!
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May 20, 2008
recently i read 50 pages of documents, then verified them, that rubino is an fbi informant in exchange for cocaine charges (dealing) that date back the last 20 years. it isn't a surprise his name keeps popping up in shady dealings.
Greg Rubino + Tecumseh Brown Eagle:
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May 7, 2008
Erie Renewable Energy officials couldn't have picked a more receptive audience Tuesday when they talked about plans to build a $235 million scrap-tires-to-energy plant in east Erie.
About 40 union workers jammed the Erie Labor Temple hall at 1701 State St. to hear ERE officials restate their commitment to a union work force, and announce plans for a $1.5 million diversity program to recruit and train minority and urban workers to build and run the plant, to be called Port Erie Power.
"It's an all union job as far as we are concerned," ERE President Greg Rubino said, to the applause of union members.
Rubino said ERE's goal is to have 20 percent minority representation in the project work force. "That has never been done before" in the Erie region, Rubino said. "Nobody has ever had that kind of percentage of minority representation."
Rubino said ERE has signed agreements with the Great Lakes Building and Construction Trades Council, the Booker T. Washington Center of Erie and the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation, to set up a diversity recruitment and training program to prepare urban and minority workers for jobs in the construction and renewable-energy industries.
The program is expected to cost about $1.5 million and produce 75 to 100 trained workers.
"It's a step in the right direction. This is something new for the Erie economy," said Steve Johnson, a 44-year-old equipment operator who spent the past year working on the Sheraton Erie Bayfront Hotel and hopes to work on Port Erie Power.
Tecumseh Brown Eagle, chief and chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders, said the program will seek to reach all minority groups -- black people, Native Americans, Latinos, women, immigrants and disabled workers.
He said the idea is also to promote diversity hiring among suppliers and companies that bid for work with the plant.
ERE officials said the 90 megawatt power plant they want to build would generate about 250 construction jobs, then create 60 permanent on-site jobs with an average salary of more than $50,000. They also expect the plant to create 140 to 150 spinoff jobs with vendors, equipment suppliers and service providers.
The idea is to get the Booker T. Washington Center and Erie Indian Moundbuilders to handle recruitment, beginning in January. The first graduates should be prepared to apply for union apprentice programs by July 2009. Construction of the plant is expected to begin sometime in 2010.
Shantel Hilliard, assistant director of the Booker T. Washington Center, acknowledged that the plant has been the focus of controversy among some residents and environmental activists. He said the center would not support something that would hurt local residents, and said he would rely on the state Department of Environmental Protection and federal Environmental Protection Agency to ensure the plant meets regulations.
"We feel this is a viable project and the DEP and EPA will give this project the amount of time and consideration it deserves," he said.
JIM CARROLL can be reached at (814) 724-1716, 870-1727 or by e-mail.
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Tire-to-energy plant is a hot issue in ErieTire-to-energy plant is a hot issue in Erie
Sunday, August 10, 2008
By Don Hopey, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Don HopeyMany residents of eastern Erie near the former International Paper Co. property where a $330 million tire incinerator/electric generation plant is proposed express their opposition to the plant.ERIE, Pa. -- Greg Rubino wants to build the biggest tire-burning plant in the world just a medium-deep fly ball from home plate of a boys and girls club softball field in a working-class East Side neighborhood.
Mr. Rubino is trying to sell the tire-to-energy facility as an environmentally based, economic development project that each day would use between 72,000 and 100,000 discarded tires -- a "virtual renewable source of fuel." It would produce 90 megawatts of electricity, enough to power 65,000 homes; its ash would be sent to a concrete-block manufacturer; and it would create 60 jobs.
"There's 330 million waste tires in the United States, and we need 10 percent of them. We can get those from just a couple-of-hundred-mile radius, delivered primarily by rail," said Mr. Rubino, a former car salesman who also was a real estate broker for Presque Isle Downs race track and casino in Erie. In 2006, he formed Erie Renewable Energy to develop the facility with Conservation Development Associates LLC of Erie and Boston-based Caletta Renewable Energy LLC.
"I'm proud of what I'm trying to do," he said last week, insisting that the facility won't burn or incinerate tires but rather would "combust tire-derived fuel, " another name for pulverized or chipped tires.
"Natural gas prices are up 33 percent and electric rates are going up soon. We need more energy, development and jobs."
But in the 18 months since Mr. Rubino proposed building the project on an overgrown log-storage lot along East Lake Road that International Paper closed in 2000, criticism has climbed as fast as its price tag, which has ballooned from $85 million to $350 million.
Opponents say the location, just 500 yards from the Lake Erie shore and much closer than that to an elementary school, a racially and ethnically mixed neighborhood, two public-housing projects, dozens of small businesses and the Dr. George J. D'Angelo Boys & Girls Club of Erie, is a bad place to build the facility.
The plant includes a "fluidized bed" combustion system, twin 150-foot-tall boilers, electric power generators, a 300-foot smokestack and inside storage space for hundreds of thousands of shredded tires. It would draw 1 million gallons of water a day from Lake Erie, most of which would be used in steam generation for its turbines, and produce 117 tons of ash a day.
"There are 33-34 businesses in an area within a mile of the site that together employ more than 1,000 and are opposed to the tire burning proposal," said Randy Barnes, president of Keep Erie's Environment Protected, a citizens group formed to oppose the project. "They're concerned about pollution and concerned about its effect on their employees and the area."
Mr. Barnes said the tire facility's air-pollution projections are not a good fit for a city that has successfully cleaned up Presque Isle Bay after a decades-long struggle, and where a commitment to tourism is evident in a lakefront redevelopment project that includes a $100 million convention center-hotel complex.
Bruce Kern II, president of C.A. Curtze Co., a wholesale food distributor with 310 employees at two locations within a block of the plant site, said he might move the 130-year-old company out of the city where it was founded if the tire-burning facility is built there.
"It would be a major polluter,'' said Mr. Kern, who has made his concerns known to the Erie City Council. "The developer talks about using 'best available technology' to control the pollution, but the process is new. There's no plant like it in the world, and with a brand new process, accidents can happen."
The only other tire-to-energy plant operating in the United States is the Exeter Energy Limited facility in Sterling, Conn., which burns more than 10 million tires a year, about a third of what the plant here would burn. It's in an industrial park 15 miles from the nearest residential neighborhood. Another tire-to-power plant exists in Japan, but in recent years, tire incinerators have been rejected in Minnesota and Ontario, Canada.
"If this is such a good idea, how come no place else is competing for this?" Mr. Barnes said. "This stretches the definition of a renewable resource. There are better way to recycle tires."
About 300 million tires are scrapped in the U.S. each year, with about half of them used as fuel, often mixed with coal.
According to its air pollution permit application to the state Department of Environmental Protection, the facility would be a 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week operation that each year would emit 354 tons of nitrous oxide, 690 tons of carbon monoxide, 179 tons of sulfur dioxide, three pounds of mercury, and almost two dozen other chemical compounds.
It would also emit 235 tons of soot a year, significantly more than the 159 tons from the 10 top industrial, hospital and municipal soot emitters operating in Erie County in 2006, the last year for which statistics are available.
There are five public schools within a one-mile radius of the proposed facility, including Edison Elementary, just 300 yards from the property.
The school board has discussed the proposal, said Robin Smith, board secretary, and wants to hold a hearing and determine whether the plant posed "any adverse health and safety concerns."
"Officially, we have no position right now but we're doing fact-finding on the health effects," Ms. Smith said, adding that Mr. Rubino is holding a "seminar" for board members Aug. 21.
Mr. Rubino said the tire-to-energy facility would fully comply with state and federal emissions limits. He said opponents' claims that the plant would create a health hazard are "hogwash'' and scare tactics.
"All industries have emissions," he said. "The question is, are they injurious to human health? If ours were, we wouldn't get a permit. We are well below all of those thresholds."
But the Erie County Medical Society isn't convinced that simply meeting the state pollution standards would protect residents' health.
In a letter to Erie City Council last month citing the project proposal's estimated emissions, the county's already poor air quality due to soot emissions and its high lung cancer rate, the medical society called for an independent health assessment of the project.
"We're not taking a position on the tire plant until an assessment is done and its results are known," said Dr. Nancy Weissbach, medical society president. "But we do feel very strongly that such a study needs to be done."
The DEP, which originally said it would make a decision on the air pollution permit this summer, has suspended its review and requested additional air-quality information from the developer.
"Our air-pollution section in Harrisburg noticed during its review of the permit that the applicant failed to take into account Lake Erie when modeling its emissions patterns," said DEP spokeswoman Freda Tarbell. "Large bodies of water can influence air currents, so we're awaiting information from the applicant on the impact of the lake."
Mr. Rubino must also apply for a state waste permit to cover the tire-chipping operation and the ash it would produce.
The project also has run afoul of Erie's zoning rules, which place a 100-foot height limit on development along the lake shore. In a reversal of an earlier decision by a zoning officer, the zoning board voted in late July to disallow construction of the twin 150-foot boilers.
Bobbi Dzuricky, whose wood frame home on shady East Sixth Street is just half a block from the proposed project, said it would ruin the neighborhood, which, because of its racial and ethnic diversity, has been declared an "environmental justice" area by the state.
"If this project was on the West Side of the city or in Downtown Pittsburgh, it wouldn't fly," said Mrs. Dzuricky, whose front yard, like those of many of her neighbors, has a red and white, block-lettered "STOP THE TIRE PLANT" sign planted in the middle of it. There are also lots of "For Sale" signs in the neighborhood.
"Older neighbors I know are feeling like they're being forced out by this and are not going to get what their house is worth," she said. "I've lived here and paid taxes for 30 years. I understand he [Mr. Rubino] has the right to make money on his property, but he has to be smarter about how to do it."
Al Messina, executive director of the Dr. George J. D'Angelo Boys & Girls Club of Erie, said the club's board is taking no position, terming it a "political issue."
Don Hopey can be reached at dhopey@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1983.
First published on August 10, 2008 at 12:00 am
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There's your proof!!!
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Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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Thanks Niiki,
I think that its pretty clear what TBE and Rubino want, gaming. That's where their agendas come together.
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Thanks Niiki,
I think that its pretty clear what TBE and Rubino want, gaming. That's where their agendas come together.
Here is another Johnson not Related to James Oliver Johnson 111 who has dealings with Greg Rubino
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Records: Johnson asked Rubino for help
'Struggling' business needed $30K advance
BY ED PALATTELLA
ed.palattella@timesnews.com [more details]
Published: March 02. 2009 12:01AM
Jeff Johnson, photographed October 10, at the Erie Port Authority meeting.
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In November 2003, when he was head of the Erie Zoning Hearing Board, real estate broker Jeffrey J. Johnson needed money.
According to newly filed court records, he helped solve his problems by asking for $30,000 from Erie real estate agent Gregory J. Rubino, who had business before the Zoning Hearing Board at the time.
With his real estate business "struggling," Johnson in November 2003 went to Rubino for financial assistance, Johnson testified at a Jan. 12 deposition, a transcript of which was recently filed at the Erie County Courthouse.
Johnson testified that Rubino responded by having one of Rubino's companies, Tecnica Development Corp., write Johnson a check for $30,000 on Nov. 18, 2003. Johnson said the money was an advance for prospective real estate deals involving him and Rubino.
"I went to him and said, Hey, you know, I could use some money, we have these deals in the hopper, would you advance me some money on it, and he said, Sure, there's enough of them that he'll get it back," Johnson testified.
Four days before getting the money, on Nov. 14, 2003, Johnson was part of a 2-0 Zoning Hearing Board decision that approved the zoning for a state prison pre-release center on West Second Street, a project in which Rubino was involved through another company, Baldwin/Rubino Associates. The deadline for the center to open was Nov. 15, 2003.
Three weeks after he received the money, on Dec. 9, 2003, Johnson was part of a 2-0 formal Zoning Hearing Board decision in favor of the pre-release center, which nearby Gannon University opposed.
Referring to the pre-release center votes and his receipt of the $30,000, Johnson testified, "One thing had nothing to do with the other."
He acknowledged that he needed money at the time, and that he was facing tax liens and other debts.
"I was struggling along," he testified. "Business was slow."
Johnson repaid the money to Tecnica in May 2005, according to a check he presented at the deposition. He said he had not received such an advance from Rubino before November 2003, and he said he has not received such an advance from Rubino since.
Johnson said he was uncertain about who came up with the figure of $30,000.
"I would assume that I did," he testified, "but I'm not sure."
Neither Johnson nor Rubino publicly disclosed the $30,000 payment until October, when the Erie Times-News asked them about it for a story published Oct. 12. Johnson left the Zoning Hearing Board in August to take a seat on the city Planning Commission, from which he resigned Oct. 31.
He left the commission, he testified at the deposition, because he "felt uncomfortable" over the publicity concerning the $30,000.
Details under seal
Johnson's deposition testimony, filed Thursday, provides his most detailed comments to date about the $30,000. He and Rubino previously told the Erie Times-News the money represented an advance, and that Johnson repaid it, but they have declined to provide more information to the Erie Times-News about the transaction.
During the deposition, which lasted about six hours, Johnson, 59, testified at length about the $30,000, which he said he received at no interest, and he offered details about the prospective real estate deals between him and Rubino, 57.
Those details, however, were blacked out in the deposition filed at the courthouse. Johnson has sought to keep the information under seal, claiming it is proprietary. Erie County Judge Michael E. Dunlavey is to hear testimony on that request Friday.
The deposition is part of a court filing submitted by Erie lawyer Leonard Ambrose, who wants the information unsealed. Ambrose filed the deposition as part of a breach-of-contract lawsuit that his client, local developer Nick Scott Sr., filed against the Erie County Convention Center Authority in 2006.
Scott is claiming the authority in 2003 wrongly rejected Scott's plans to build a hotel on the east bayfront as part of the Bayfront Convention Center project. The authority said the suit is meritless.
Regarding the $30,000, Johnson -- who owns Jeffrey J. Johnson & Associates, a real estate firm -- testified he deposited the money in his personal account rather than his business account. He said he used the money to pay personal bills, including for utilities, and he said he returned the $30,000 to Rubino's Tecnica Development in May 2005.
Johnson said none of the prospective deals had materialized by then. He said he had "an extra" $30,000, so he wrote the check to Tecnica on May 26, 2005.
"There was enough time passed from November till then, and these deals didn't look like they were going anywhere, so I just decided the right thing to do is to give him his money back," Johnson said.
Johnson said he saw no need to disclose the payment publicly in light of his role on the Zoning Hearing Board and Rubino's business before the board on the pre-release center.
"I had no conflict on voting on this," he testified.
Rubino: Deals never happened
In other records filed in the Scott case on Thursday, Rubino commented on whether the $30,000 payment between Tecnica and Johnson was secret.
"Sure it was secret," he said. "Why would we sit around and tell people about our business affairs?"
Rubino's comments are contained in a transcript of an interview he gave Jan. 12 during a morning talk show on local radio station WJET/AM-1400. The hosts were Barry Dain Steinhagen and Jim LeCorchick. Rubino has declined repeated interview requests from the Erie Times-News.
During the program, Rubino said the $30,000 advance was for prospective deals on the heavily developed upper Peach Street in Summit Township, among other areas. Steinhagen asked Rubino whether Rubino was saying it was coincidental that Tecnica made the $30,000 payment to Johnson around the same time the Zoning Hearing Board was considering the zoning for the pre-release center.
"It's not even rising to the level of coincidental," Rubino said. "It just happens to be that's the time when I had all the sites on upper Peach Street. I don't think it's any big secret that I was involved in almost every development up there."
Rubino on the program provided no details as to how the $30,000 transaction originated in 2003, including who approached whom and why.
He explained how Johnson came to return the $30,000, which Johnson said he repaid to Tecnica in May 2005.
"Those deals didn't come to fruition," Rubino said. "So within a matter of months, we determined the deals weren't going to happen, so what we simply did say was, Hey, these deals aren't going to happen, time to return the advance. He did, and that was that."
ED PALATTELLA can be reached at 870-1813 or by e-mail.
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That is Jeffrey J Johnson. TBE/Mohammed is James Oliver Johnson III. Was TBE once named Jeffrey J in addition to his other names? If not we have two separate Johnsons.
When I click the link I get "article no longer available" so I can't see the photo of Jeffrey J included.
Could these two Johnsons be related? Or just sharing a very common name?
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That is Jeffrey J Johnson. TBE/Mohammed is James Oliver Johnson III. Was TBE once named Jeffrey J in addition to his other names? If not we have two separate Johnsons.
When I click the link I get "article no longer available" so I can't see the photo of Jeffrey J included.
Could these two Johnsons be related? Or just sharing a very common name?
http://www.erieblogs.com/2008/11/01/erie-pa-news-and-events-for-all-saints-day-and-the-weekend-of-november-1-2008 (http://www.erieblogs.com/2008/11/01/erie-pa-news-and-events-for-all-saints-day-and-the-weekend-of-november-1-2008)
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090302/NEWS02/303029965 (http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090302/NEWS02/303029965)
Jeffrey J. Johnson is white and James Oliver Johnson 111 is Black, both have connections to Rubino
Jeffrey J. Johnson, a local real estate broker, has resigned from the City Planning Commission. The commission is responsible for zoning change recommendations. Johnson received $30,000 from the development company run by Greg Rubino, Tecnica Development. Tecnica had business before the Zoning Hearing Board, which Johnson also resigned from earlier this summer.
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Erie Indian Mounbuilders.
Tire Burning Plant issue:
Bruce Kern II
C.A. Curtze Company
1717 east 12th street • p.o. box 797 • erie, pa 16511 • phone: (814) 452-2281 ...
curtze.com is under construction! please check back soon for exciting new additions!
www.curtze.com (http://www.curtze.com)
"Bruce Kern II, president of C.A. Curtze Co., a wholesale food distributor with 310
employees at two locations within a block of the plant site, said he might move the
130-year-old company out of the city where it was founded if the tire-burning facility
is built there.
"It would be a major polluter,'' said Mr. Kern, who has made his concerns known to the
Erie City Council. "The developer talks about using 'best available technology' to
control the pollution, but the process is new. There's no plant like it in the world,
and with a brand new process, accidents can happen."
http://stopburningtires.com/ (http://stopburningtires.com/)
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43554105440 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43554105440)
JIM CARROLL can be reached at (814) 724-1716, (no longer in service) 870-1727 (not in service)
wrote article on Union jobs at tire burning
plant:
Tecumseh Brown Eagle, chief and chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders, said the
program will seek to reach all minority groups -- black people, Native Americans, Latinos, women, immigrants and disabled workers.
He said the idea is also to promote diversity hiring among suppliers and companies that
bid for work with the plant.
ERE officials said the 90 megawatt power plant they want to build would generate about
250 construction jobs, then create 60 permanent on-site jobs with an average salary of
more than $50,000. They also expect the plant to create 140 to 150 spinoff jobs with
vendors, equipment suppliers and service providers.
The idea is to get the Booker T. Washington Center and Erie Indian Moundbuilders to
handle recruitment, beginning in January. The first graduates should be prepared to
apply for union apprentice programs by July 2009. Construction of the plant is expected
to begin sometime in 2010.
Shantel Hilliard, assistant director of the Booker T. Washington Center, acknowledged
that the plant has been the focus of controversy among some residents and environmental
activists. He said the center would not support something that would hurt local residents,
and said he would rely on the state Department of Environmental Protection and federal
Environmental Protection Agency to ensure the plant meets regulations.
"We feel this is a viable project and the DEP and EPA will give this project the amount
of time and consideration it deserves," he said.
Don Hopey can be reached at dhopey@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1983.
wrote article on tire burning plant and STOP; those who were against the tire burning
plant.
MANY articles on Tire Burning TOXIC affects:
http://stopburningtires.com/resources.html (http://stopburningtires.com/resources.html)
Bobbi Dzuricky, whose wood frame home on shady East Sixth Street is just half a block
from the proposed project, said it would ruin the neighborhood, which, because of its
racial and ethnic diversity, has been declared an "environmental justice" area by the
state.
Mrs. Dzuricky:
"If this project was on the West Side of the city or in Downtown Pittsburgh, it wouldn't
fly," said Mrs. Dzuricky, whose front yard, like those of many of her neighbors, has a
red and white, block-lettered "STOP THE TIRE PLANT" sign planted in the middle of it.
There are also lots of "For Sale" signs in the neighborhood.
"Older neighbors I know are feeling like they're being forced out by this and are not
going to get what their house is worth," she said. "I've lived here and paid taxes for
30 years. I understand he [Mr. Rubino] has the right to make money on his property, but
he has to be smarter about how to do it."
Tecumseh Supports The National ID- website ; Joined them.
Othello M. Johnson:
(Mother of James Oliver Johnson, III)
Contact Chamber Of Commerce in Erie, PA
(ask about "community service" she was involved in? Say she was in "Jet Magazine (an African
American Publication several years ago 2004/2005? IF that was a REAL Magazine cover? As magazine
covers can be MADE for "fun"/ Ebony magazine is an affiliate of JET magazine. Google fake
magazine covers to see how many do this! Also, NO Othello Johnson was found in a search
of Jet magazine/Ebony website!)
NO Othello Myers Johnson found in Erie PA!
Both parent's obituaries are on file at the Erie Library.
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Another joint venture of Rubino & Erie Indian Moundbuilders ( Abdul Abdullah Muhammad aka Tecumseh Brown Eagle) besides Casinos:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:1X7AkEfZpNoJ:www.erierenewableenergy.com/faqs/+Erie+Renewable+Energy+Erie+Indian+Moundbuilders&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:1X7AkEfZpNoJ:www.erierenewableenergy.com/faqs/+Erie+Renewable+Energy+Erie+Indian+Moundbuilders&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
ABOUT ERIE RENEWABLE ENERGY
Who is Erie Renewable Energy, LLC?
Erie Renewable Energy, LLC (“ERE”) is a joint venture of Conservation Development Associates, LLC of Erie and Caletta Renewable Energy, LLC of Canton, MA, which plans to build a plant in Erie which uses Tire Derived Fuel to generate 90 MW of electricity.
Who owns Conservation Development Associates, LLC?
Conservation Development Associates, LLC is a local Erie business owned by the McCormick and Rubino families.
What is Caletta Renewable Energy?
Caletta Renewable Energy is a company with a track record of applying advanced technology to convert biomass and waste materials for energy generation and fuel production. Caletta has developed energy plants across the United States which generate more than 300 MW of electricity annually.
Will these jobs be filled with people from the community?
ERE made a commitment from the beginning of our planning to be as inclusive as possible, and to benefit the community through this project. We have recently signed agreements with Great Lakes Building and Construction Trades Council, the Booker T. Washington Center of Erie and the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation to participate in a diversity recruitment and training program to fill these jobs locally.
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/development/ (http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/development/)
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Warning to Tecumseh Brown Eagle/Abdul Muhammed/James Oliver Johnson 111
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From: Chief WALTER T. RENZ
To Whom it comes to their Door,
The person below Mr. Johnson /TBE is not Native American. He uses 7 different Names. And is using bad behaviour as well towards the real Native Americans. We searched for any Native blood and could not find any in his decent. Its time for him to stop all contact with any Government or Tribal Nation using Native name of any kind. We have given the notes to the F.B.I. on him as well. His terrorism is to stop today. It bothers the Elder Chiefs in Canada to no end as well.
Thank you for support.
Chief Walter T. Renz/Graycloud Longtail
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Mr. Johnson III,
After looking over all the files and records we have and have gotten from the researchers that work with us. I have to tell you that Watts does not match your Ancestry. Or the Johnson's you were claiming.. No Native Blood what so ever has been determined by the Tribal Nations on your family history.
Your continuous yelling at the Elders and Chiefs , is not one that a real Erie Chief would do. They have said for you to stop calling them and stay away. They have no use for you.
We have spoken to you on the Erie name you are using to benefit your pocket. Close the web page it will not benefit you no more.
The Shawnee name you claim is not given to you in a traditional way. The Shawnee will be getting this note as well. With your copying of the Tecumseh words on the web page you have. This is a slap in the face of the real Tecumseh with your behaviour.
Do not contact us or bother us with your ideas or Casino. We do not want it or need it. Also do not bother the Chiefs in Canada as well. Remove all the contacts you have with the Chiefs and Elders as well. It is so ordered.
This is the last notes that you will receive from us. Any more contact from you will not be looked on as a good thing.
So Ordered this 8th day the of April 2009 of the above.
Chief Walter Renz/Graycloud Longtail
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TBE aka Shabaka Tecumseh on race & history forum Jan. 2009? Likely him
Black Egypt? Hardly!
Posted By: todd greaves
Date: 6, January 03, at 2:18 p.m.
In "Egypt: Child of Africa", 1995, Ivan van Ser-tima,ed., we read:
"This painting from the tomb of Ramses III shows that the Egyptians saw themselves as Blacks and painted themselves as such....Throughout their entire history the Egyptians never [portrayed themselves otherwise]."
The author of this statement was either profound-ly ignorant of his subject or a liar, as I will show.
First, with regard to the painting, the figure which is identified as the "Indo-European" wears the EXTREMELY distinctive Egyptian side-lock.
In the Book of the Dead papyri of Ani and Hunef-er, both painted in naturalistic hues, the great majority of humans and deities are depicted with light or caucasoid skin coloration.
The painted statue heads of Tutankhamun, Neferti-ti, Lady Nefert (IV Dyn.) and numerous others, are light-skinned. Another "high born lady" of the IV Dyn. is depicted with black hair, black eyeliner, red lipstick, and skin like mine (I'm Scottish/French). All these light-skinned Egyp-tians have corresponding non-negro facial arch-itecture.
Unpainted portrait sculptures of pharaohs display-ing distinctively non-negro traits include Thut- mosis III, Ramses II, Hatshepsut, Phiops I, Myker-inus, Kephren (fr. Cyril Aldred's "The Egypti-ans",1961), and Sesostris III (fr. Campbell's
"The Mythic Image", 1974). The same may be said for many of their queens and viziers.
Another point to recognize and consider is that several of the pharaohs and nobles of Egypt sport-ed aquiline noses. I mean real eagle-beaks. Ram-ses II and Ynaa, father-in-law of Amenhotep, fall into this truly non-negroid catagory. Ynaa's well-preserved mummy head has its wavy, light-colored hair intact. His wife Tiy, however, is clearly negroid, with nappy black hair intact. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS MUST BE FULLY GRASPED. The aquiline nose is thought to be a Semitic or Armen-ian trait and Aldred mentions "the aggressive Armenoid features of Sa-nakht and his brother Djo-ser."
Finally, at Amarna, in the studio of the sculptor of Nefertiti's bust, were found a number of plas-ter casts of living subjects. I'm looking at pho-tos of them as I write and if these aren't Europe-ans I'll eat a bug. I didn't say "caucasoids", I said EUROPEANS. Indeed the source caption says they "reveal definately European features." The subjects are clearly commoners.
I conclude with the translation from a boundary stele from the reign of Sesostris III, as given by Breasted in "A History of Egypt", 1909 (p. 184)
"SOUTHERN BOUNDARY MADE IN THE YEAR 8, UNDER THE MAJESTY OF THE KING OF UPPER AND LOWER EGYPT, SES-OSTRIS III, WHO IS GIVEN LIFE FOR EVER AND EVER;-
IN ORDER TO PREVENT THAT ANY NEGRO SHOULD CROSS IT BY LAND, WITH A SHIP, OR ANY HERDS OF THE NEGROES; EXCEPT A NEGRO WHO SHALL CROSS IT TO DO TRADING...OR WITH A COMMISSION. ALL KIND TREAT-MENT SHALL BE ACCORDED THEM, BUT WITHOUT ALLOWING A SHIP OF THE NEGROES TO PASS BY HEH [Semneh] GO-ING DOWNSTREAM, FOREVER."
This text will be despised by all propagandists of the van Sertima camp, and so its authenticity will be attacked. Harder to dispute are the non-negro features of Sesostris III and the ruins of the great fortress at Semneh.
The truth of the matter is this: Egypt was a multi-racial society. Its language was Semito/Ham-itic in structure. Its earliest true architecture was Mesopotamian in style and materials., and at least one pharaoh thought it was at risk of being overrun from the south.
All the examples presented here were compiled in my little home library in about 25 minutes. They represent a small fraction of the available data.
"Black Egypt" is a racist myth which should be nipped in the bud. Todd Greaves trgimp@yahoo.com
Messages In This Thread
Black Egypt? Hardly!
todd greaves -- 6, January 03, at 2:18 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
Shabaka Tecumseh -- 7, January 03, at 12:50 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
todd greaves -- 7, January 03, at 1:25 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
Shabaka Tecumseh -- 7, January 03, at 1:35 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
todd greaves -- 7, January 03, at 2:09 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
Sopdet -- 22, January 03, at 6:58 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
todd greaves -- 25, January 03, at 2:37 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
Sopdet -- 25, January 03, at 11:49 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
husein -- 8, March 05, at 2:47 p.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
Big D -- 12, April 05, at 7:28 a.m.
Re: Black Egypt? Hardly!
Lez -- 26, April 05, at 8:04pm
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View Messages
Bookmarks: 1, 2,3, 4 , 5, 6
Subject:
RE: Cooperation verses Individualism
Date:
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:40:57 -0500
From:
"shabaka@pacbell.net" <shabaka@pacbell.net>
To:
"drridge@bellsouth.net" <drridge@bellsouth.net>
Hi Doc:
I don't know if you remember me, but I am Shabaka. Been keeping track of what's going on with the farmer's and as usual we get the short end. I am writing to inform you that my son and I want to do a Tilapia farm. We are looking into Belize but feel a little uncomfortable because of the distance and lack of infrastructure, plus the land cost are unreasonable. Just thought I would ask if you knew of any black's in southern Mississippi, Louisiana, who may have some land and would like to do a joint venture. Need plenty of water and warm temperatures. Let me know if you can come up with anything. Thanks, Hotep. Shabaka Tecumseh.
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I have a friend who is in the security industry and she has numerous contacts in law enforcement in the US.I asked her to investigate TBE and Rubino as a favour. When I hear back from her I'll post it for members.
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I have a friend who is in the security industry and she has numerous contacts in law enforcement in the US.I asked her to investigate TBE and Rubino as a favour. When I hear back from her I'll post it for members.
Niawen gowa Don!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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TBE aka Shabaka Tecumseh on race & history forum Jan. 2009? Likely him
Black Egypt? Hardly!
Posted By: todd greaves
Date: 6, January 03, at 2:18 p.m.
In "Egypt: Child of Africa", 1995, Ivan van Ser-tima,ed., we read:
"This painting from the tomb of Ramses III shows that the Egyptians saw themselves as Blacks and painted themselves as such....Throughout their entire history the Egyptians never [portrayed themselves otherwise]."
The author of this statement was either profound-ly ignorant of his subject or a liar, as I will show....
Most of the responses by Johnson don't reveal much, but that he'd be on that forum and the others on there are. Raceandhistory.com links to sister sites for Black Nationalists, pseudo history, Rastas, and semi Nuage types posing as ancient Egyptian. That's also who makes most of the membership judging by the screen names chosen.
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TBE is a Nuwaubian and they are black supremacists, I posted about them in the Binay/Black Indian thread. They Nuwaubians and the Black Hebrews are both listed as race hate groups. I am not sure where TBE fits into the power struggle to replace their leader, Dwight Z. York, who is in federal prison for 135 years.
TBE has also aligned himself with white new agers on both sides of the border, which is unusual. The Nuwaubians were involved with the "Republic of Texas" in some IRS scam, they are a white ultra right wing group.
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TEMPLE OF SAKKARA
CONFERENCE 2006
http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle%22&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.templeofsakkara.com/conference_files/2007/conference_with_2007_audiolist.htm&w=%22tecumseh+brown+eagle%22&d=VjA15ExIScuB&icp=1&.intl=ca (http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle%22&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&u=www.templeofsakkara.com/conference_files/2007/conference_with_2007_audiolist.htm&w=%22tecumseh+brown+eagle%22&d=VjA15ExIScuB&icp=1&.intl=ca)
Opening Sunday Morning speeches
Opening Friday Night speeches
Alicja Aratyn - Dowsing: Spiritual Evaluation
Bruce & Jim - Origins of Natural Law
Carl Franklin - Ascension
Chief Tecumseh Brown Eagle - Sacred Geometry and Native Culture
Gale Amon - Morning Meditation
Gandolf - The Miracles of the Brain
James & Cynthia - 21st Century Prophet
Sandy Kay - Creative Movement
Tau Huang - Spiritual Anatomy
Therese Rowley - Misdiagnosed youth / Indigo energy
Whitney Wyckoff - The Gift of Magic
William Henry - The Book of Love
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TRIBAL GAMING:
Six days after insisting it had no interest in operating gambling facilities in Ohio, the Erie
Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation reversed course, saying last Thursday night it would seek to operate casinos in one or more areas of Ohio. The tribe said "recent events and additional research" have prompted the reversal.
"There is probably no single issue before the voters in Ohio that bears more economic importance on a statewide levels than Issue 6," the tribe, led by Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle said.
The chief said last week the tribe - which is not seeking federal recognition - already has the authority to operate casinos in Ohio, given that it had never given up claims to lands within the state. "This intent is not conditioned solely on passage of Issue 6," the tribe said. "We believe that the county-by-county vote tabulations in favor of Issue 6 will provide ample understanding of the areas in Ohio that favor gaming. Based on an analysis of voting patterns on Issue 6, the Tribe will be proposing to Governor Strickland a compact which would allow the Tribe to commence gaming operations in one or more selected locations." Further, the chief said the compact would be "fair and balanced" and would serve the needs of the state, its citizens and the tribe. (Gongwer Ohio Report)
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TBE is a Nuwaubian and they are black supremacists, I posted about them in the Binay/Black Indian thread. They Nuwaubians and the Black Hebrews are both listed as race hate groups. I am not sure where TBE fits into the power struggle to replace their leader, Dwight Z. York, who is in federal prison for 135 years.
TBE has also aligned himself with white new agers on both sides of the border, which is unusual. The Nuwaubians were involved with the "Republic of Texas" in some IRS scam, they are a white ultra right wing group.
He clearly is influenced by their ideas, but can you point us towards anything showing him as a Nuwaubian leader, or even member?
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TBE is a Nuwaubian and they are black supremacists, I posted about them in the Binay/Black Indian thread. They Nuwaubians and the Black Hebrews are both listed as race hate groups. I am not sure where TBE fits into the power struggle to replace their leader, Dwight Z. York, who is in federal prison for 135 years.
TBE has also aligned himself with white new agers on both sides of the border, which is unusual. The Nuwaubians were involved with the "Republic of Texas" in some IRS scam, they are a white ultra right wing group.
He clearly is influenced by their ideas, but can you point us towards anything showing him as a Nuwaubian leader, or even member?
I think you need to refer to the thread on the new age forum started by you yourself:NAFPS Forum
General => Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on December 12, 2004, 10:35:30 AM
Title: Jerry Monroe & the Binay "Tribe"
Post by: educatedindian on December 12, 2004, 10:35:30 AM
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:veHUnN_EISUJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Dprintpage%3Btopic%3D82.0+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle+Black+Indians&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:veHUnN_EISUJ:www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php%3Faction%3Dprintpage%3Btopic%3D82.0+Tecumseh+Brown+Eagle+Black+Indians&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca)
Title: Nuwabians, Washitaw, Binay Mythology-Robbing Native Cultures
Post by: Don Naconna on August 21, 2008, 06:16:14 PM
This video by Jaime Andes is an excellent critique of the Afrocentrics claim that Native American culture and civilization came from Africa. Please note that scholars such as Warren Barbour et al have disproved these theories with extensive on site research, in an highly acclaimed article Robbing Native Culture. Tecumseh Brown Eagle (Erie Tribe of Mound Builders), the Washitaw and Nuwabians, the Binay "Tribe", Black Native American Association, Cherokee Blackfoot Cultural Center all follow this mythology. These "theories" are inherently anti Indian.
I am working on a book on all of these cults and other so called black Indians, which I hope to complete in the next year, and Al knows. I welcome contributions from members who uncoverd any black Indian cults and frauds, like those mentioned above.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdLCuQVaKs&feature=related
Thanks for your attention, I look forward to your responses.
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Steve Pruitt is on some of the emails... fredrix Washington found associated with these links: Washitaw/The MOORS and "Black people"
Bey on there too, more names:
of http://www.organicwellness.com/washitawnation/2002mar.htm
(http://www.organicwellness.com/washitawnation/2002mar.htm)
Heroines and Heroes
Surely they will not think so, but Bro. Fredrix and I believe those who sacrifice from their limited financial resources to send donations to help the Royal Family with medical, hospital, storage, transportation, telephone, and an assortment of other on-going expenses over the past two years, deserve honorable mentioning. And, since this is an informal report, based on pure recall, please take any omissions as a sign of love and humanity. Bro. Issac Bey $400; Sister Fayola and Bro. Hakim $300 (monthly pledge of $100); Bro. Larry Smith $2000; Bro. Scott Mitchell $100; Bro. & Sister Nick Tolliver $90; Bro. Lee $4,800; City University Los Angeles $1,000; Minister Mustafa $500; Bro. El Seti, Undisclosed Amount; Education Minister Anderson, Undisclosed Amount; O’dell Farris $100; Brenda Keaton $60; Dr. Margie Johnson, Undisclosed Amount; Fredrix Washington & family, Undisclosed Amount; Bro. Tarik Ricard $50; Bro. Mbu $50; and thank you to all others. Whether you paid a month’s storage bill or just bought stamps, your gift was felt and appreciated!
Below is the document of what could become a single statement of fundamental truths which define, in philosophical and historic dimensions, the truth about our Ancient heritage, traditions, and culture. Please read this document as if you were making your own "Personal Declaration of My Washitaw Sovereignty." Please mail, e-mail, or fax your written responses to the document below. For a review of the complete Declaration Preamble and Thirty-Two Articles go to www.WashitawNation.com/declare.htm
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of http://www.magirepublic.com/washitaw.htm (http://www.magirepublic.com/washitaw.htm)
Subject: Juneteenth Washitaw Connecting
Date: Tue, 19 June 2001
Dearly Beloved,
The maiden issue of NEWSletter De WASHITAW, commemorating Juneteenth, follows.
--Love and Peace to all, Education Ministry
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NEWSletter De WASHITAW Volume One, Issue One Juneteenth, 2001
Official Publication of Empire Washitaw De Dugdahmoundyah (Ancient Moors-Muurs). Approved and Distributed through the Ministry of Education, c/o Post Office Box 4277, Inglewood: via U.S.A. Postal Zone 90309-4277, Email: Washitaw@cula.edu.
REPORT: ON-GOING FBI CONTACTS
Bro. Fredrix Joe Washington, son of Her Emperial Highness, reports that his on-going contacts with the FBI are positive. Special Agent Harry B. Deal has been courteous, informative, and encouraging in his input (also acknowledging "Momma's right to say who she is."). Because of this friendlier atmosphere, federal deputy Attorney General, Atty. Gillespie and his superiors have taken the position that no charges will be brought against the Empress at this time.
However, if the Empress is well enough to travel to the upcoming Geneva, Switzerland Indigenous Peoples Conference, July 21-July 27, then, perhaps, Her Emperial Highness is well enough to be brought up on charges. "Momma is not going to Geneva; that trip would kill her," lamented Bro. Fredrix, with the authority passed on to him by his mother. Bro. Fredrix is encouraged by the FBI to go, himself, to Geneva, so he can witness first hand what the Indigenous Peoples Conference is all about. Bro. Fredrix will remain by his mother's side, but has named Education Minister, Dr. Henry L. N. Anderson, to head the delegation to Geneva.
JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION
Daughters and Sons of THE ANCIENT ONES, Moors-Muurs, the children of Anu, "Divine Negroes or those who came down to earth from heaven," children of Planet Sirius, inhabitants of the "Land of the Reeds," we are One, one worldwide People; we are Washitaw, daughters and sons of The Ancient Ones. Our character is Love; our spirit is Love; our religion is Love; our purpose on earth is Love; our future is Love; and our God-given sovereignty is the manifestation of God's LOVE. This first NEWSletter De Washitaw is our modest tribute to the meaning of this day-and this time-for all Washitaw. Together, we will acknowledge, publicly and privately, individually and collectively, that our true history shall never be stamped out: that we shall know the truth; and the truth shall set us free.
GIVEN: HEARTS, MINDS AND RESOURCES
The following have volunteered to give time, counsel, advice, and personal resources to what we refer to (for lack of a better term) the Transition Team (contacts by email) and the Advisory Group (contacts by fax and phone): (T/T) Bro. C. Shaheed F. DuBois, Qaraandin, Ambassador Pierre Guillaume, Willa Joy "Long Lost," Princess Yahmeela, Prince James, Sis. Fay Harrison-El, Bro. Muulik El Bey, Bro. Scott Mitchell, Bro. Ken Desrosiers, Sis. Sheri & Bro. Nick Toliver and (A/G) Dr. Muhammad, Bro. El Seti, Dr. Margie Johnson, Sis. Deann Sims, Archbishop Brown, Dr. Harold Perry, Dr. Frank C. Maddox, Bro. Ravanna Bey, Bro. Ramses, Bro. Rudolph White Bey. Others, not formerly identified, are considered "team members" as well!
OFFICIAL 'TITLES' IDENTIFIED
To date, these individuals have "registered" with the Ministry of Education: Bro. Ravanna Bey, Minister of Research; Dr. Pierre Guillaume, European Ambassador; Emperial Washitaw Knight Sultaan Muulik El Saadig El Bey (Angel El), Minister of Investigation; Bro. C. Shaheed F. DuBois, Special Assistant to the Trustee; Bro. El Seti Anu Ali El, Official Washitaw Printer; Gregory Muhammad, MD, Physician to Her Emperial Highness; Mama Khandi, Host, "Official Washitaw Web Site;" Washitaw Historical Qaraandin, (unofficial) Foreign Secretary to the Empress; Bro. Rudolph White Bey, Emperial Team Member. Of course, Fredrix Joe Washington, son of the Empress holds the Emperial Power of Attorney; and Dr. Henry L. N. Anderson, Minister of Education, assists him. Others, please identify yourselves.
REACHING OUT
The Education Ministry (310-671-0634, Fax 310-671-0572) would like to hear from or about: --"L.E." of the Atlanta area. If you wish to leave a message for Dr. Anderson, do so by dialing 1-800-262-8388. Thanks for your cooperation. -DUSTIN ROGERS, where are you? Please contact Ministry if and when you get this information. Are you in Hawaii? Las Vegas? Texas? Sis. Tanya Rogers, an attempt will be made to contact you by fax. --LEONARD KEITH, any news concerning King Akali and/or the indigenous people of Hawaii? REV. ROBINSON, in Texas: may we hear from you? (Geneva is coming up soon!) --BRO. RAVANNA BEY, can we talk? Would love to speak with you. --ROBERT (black man from the Dominican Republic/?), would you contact the Ministry? And, FRANCIS (white man from the D.C. area), how about a word with you as well?
PAUL MILES "PLEADS GUILTY"
Former Washitaw Administrator, Bro. Paul Miles was reported in the Monroe Morning Star newspaper to have pleaded guilty to mail fraud and other charges. He has been free on an unsecured bond, but is expected to be sentenced on September 17, the article said. The Education Ministry has had neither direct nor indirect contact with Bro. Paul since a June 2000 email, and has little or no verified information.
GENEVA DELEGATION
Bro. Shaheed DuBois, Chair of the Geneva Delegation Committee will soon submit his slate of recommended delegates to the Education Ministry. Qualifications to be a delegate first involves one's ability to underwrite his/her own travel and lodging expenses; second, to have demonstrated an unselfish interest in the welfare of the Washitaw History; and, thirdly, the nominee must be "acceptable to the Empress." At press time, it appears some 5 to 7 delegates will be finally approved. Persons keenly interested should contact Bro. DuBois asap (phone:404-624-4568 or email: crimdubois@juno.com.).
IS A WASHITAW MOVIE IN THE WORKS?
It has been confirmed that there are on-going discussions with two different motion picture production groups who appear to be keenly interested in controlling the rights to turn the life story of Her Emperial Highness into a first rate movie (even a series of movies). The Washitaw Story, older but not atypical of similar stories of indigenous peoples around the world, seems to "have excited Hollywood due to the vast numbers of supportive documents about Washitaw housed in the U.S. National Archives," it has been reported. Two years earlier, a stage play entitled "The LandLady Cometh," by Norhm Lee, Ph.D. was approved by the Empress for performances in Los Angeles, CA, Sylvania, GA and other locations. Both interested groups are presently reviewing that script as well. However, the basis for any production will focus on Return of the Ancient Ones, the Empress' own published book ($50 donation, postpaid)..
EMPIRE WASHITAW SEEKS DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS
On behalf of Washitaw nationals, the Education Ministry has put out official feelers to ascertain what steps are necessary to achieve diplomatic relations, in order to better protect inalienable rights, moveable and immoveable properties and international travel conveniences. Since many Nationals within the boundaries known as the united States of America have complained of "disrespect by law enforcers, property seizures, confiscation of documents, and harassment while traveling," special focus is immediately being put on improving relations with corporate U.S.A. In this regard, Bro. Fredrix reported that "the U.S. officials seem more pleased with the current direction of the Washitaw History."
STEPS TO COLLECT ON "THE DEBT"
At the June 1999 Conference in Washitaw Proper, attendees voted in favor of Her Emperial Highness taking steps to collect on the debt (back rent, reparations, compensation for "stolen property" and related damages). Steps were taken and efforts made to solicit the involvement of the international community, especially the World Bank (WB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The 2001 Washitaw Delegation to Geneva, Switzerland will follow up on those efforts. In addition, an independent discussion has been on-going which offers some alternative strategy for beginning to receive some collection on the huge, outstanding "Court judgment in favor of the Washitaw History." More will be shared about this effort in a future edition of this publication.
STATE OF THE HISTORY
A lack of financial resources has made it virtually impossible for the Washitaw History to provide the services and support nationals have come to expect. All are aware of the tremendous burdens that have been placed upon the Empress, her family, and the Washitaw History as a whole.
As much as can be done is being done. In the real world Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice are not accepted in exchanged for needed goods and services; so, it will take time. But, time we have; it is our heritage, our friend, our companion. Our reminder of The Creator's presence with us.
HEALTH OF THE EMPRESS
With strength coming from your prayers; wholistic treatments from wellness professionals; blessings from a Loving Creator; and the healing conducted by the innate intelligence of the body itself, Her Emperial Highness is now able to manage slight movement in Her upper left quarter (hand, arm), and movement in her lower left seems imminent as well. We are grateful to the Creator that mercy and favor continues to be shown to this Great Servant of the human race. The Empress wants all to know she appreciates the greetings you send to her, as well as your prayers; however, she regrets she cannot take phone calls or carry on much dialogue with the many who wish to be in contact with her. But, she is sure you understand her need for peace and quiet, to hasten her full recovery.
MESSAGE FROM HER EMPERIAL HIGHNESS
During the coming days and weeks, Her Emperial Highness will development a Statement to be shared with delegates from around the world who attend the Indigenous Peoples' Conference in Geneva, Switzerland, July 21-July 27. When that Statement is ready, it will be shared with the entire Washitaw History. Many eagerly look forward to hearing, reading and possessing that document. The "Message from Her Emperial Highness" of Empire Washitaw De Dughadmoundyah is expected to be read in Geneva, as the Empress is not expected to attend the conference for health reasons.
EDITING HER BOOK, RETURN OF THE ANCIENT ONES
Those who wish to inform themselves and be ready to better serve their History are encouraged to secure a copy of the book written by Her Highness, The Empress. Your $50.00 donation will provide the funds necessary to edit and/or print more copies of this very important and critical documentary account of the history and presence of the black mound builders on the North American continent, all in many other areas as well. Students of history and children of all races and nationalities should have the opportunity to read and know "The Washitaw Story." It is NOT a "story of slavery." It is a mirror of a people, nearly as old as the land on which we are live. It is a beautiful story, ordained by The Creator. Her Emperial Highness personally assigned the editing of the book to Education Minister, Dr. H.L.N. Anderson. However, Bro. El Seti is the official publisher (printer) for Empire Washitaw De Dugdahmoundyah.
THE OFFICIAL WASHITAW WEBSITE
The Official Washitaw Web Site has been confirmed. It is the approved Web Site that has existed for some time. In the coming weeks, the Web Site will be edited and modified. Some new information will be added; so old information will be deleted. Current contact information will be provided and complete copies of these NEWSletters will be posted for all to read, share, download, print and respond to (if anyone so desires) Most importantly, right now, the Web Site will (1) tone down provocative language, and "confrontational posturing" (which lead to no constructive objective or outcome); "Even if we have to use an army of volunteers," stated Minister Anderson, "if a wrong has been done, and we can, we will make it right. This is how we want our History to run. Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice are guideposts for how we live our lives; they are not good-sounding words to be uttered and forgotten," he concluded.
ANCESTRAL INVOCATION
In the name of our Ancestors of "The Ancient Ones" and of the Washitaw creed, we beseech the Spirit and Protection of those "Oldest Indigenous People on Earth," our true ancestors to be ever with us, to guide our vision and our paths, that in all our going and coming we always fulfill our purpose for being here on this good earth, and that is to insure the survival of the human race, in Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice for all the children of The Creator.
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Letters to the Editor or other comments may be sent to
info@washitawnation.com, or
Education Ministry,
c/o P.O. 4277 Inglewood:
via U.S.A. Postal Code 90309-4277
or faxed to 1-310-671-0572.
End/Issue One 19 June, 2001 by Education Ministry, Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah.
Copyright © 1987, 1993, 2002 by Uaxashaktun (Moorish Washitaw Empire). All Rights Reserved. Copies available by donation.
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Found something else on TBE and his connections, in this post to Jerry "eaglefeather"'s group (located in Lancaster, PA), blackindiansopenforum@yahoogroups.com, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackIndiansopenforum (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackIndiansopenforum)/, http://blackindians.com/ (http://blackindians.com/) . He uses the title "Minister" like black Muslims meaning that he claims to be a Muslim leader of a mosque. This is a long post, but informative. He wants to get federal recognition for the "Moundbuilders" as a tribe. That way he can open casinos in any state and black person can claim to be "Washitaw/Moundbuilder/Nuwaubian. If he had been accepted by Indigenous people in Canada, he'd be able to prove his Muslim were a tribe with history recognized by Indians in the region... More to come
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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The Nuwaubians have posted their beliefs and doctrines in a yahoogroup luv4self_network@yahoogroups.com. Indians/aboriginal members and those, like myself who disagree with black supremacists were all banned for responding to them. I have rejoined under another name and have found some very powerful and influential black Americans are members of that group.
Last year, the Hollywood actor Wesley Snipes, who was facing a prison sentence for tax evasion became a supporter of the Nuwaubians and their tax scam. It didn't work very well for Dwight York, the Nuwaubian leader now serving 135 years in federal prison.
There are ties to right wing groups, like the "Republic of Texas" and its militias, just like the "Pembina Band" has links to white supremacists and militia groups.
I was trying to get into NAFPS Friday and was redirected to a "1st Amendment" payment site. I thought that the Nuwaubians had sabotaged the site. If you get these types of people angry, they will play very nasty games.
I am still waiting for more info on TBE and his associates criminal past and records. That would be necessary to get TBE barred from entering Canada, which is what is most important to us here in Canada. He would inadmissible if he, under any of his aliases, was convicted of any crime. When I first encountered him he used the screen name "splaf" and claimed to be an ex con, and made some rather violent threats to me. His profanity was so bad he was banned from Jerry's "Tribe" for a awhile and came back under TBE's name.
I also wonder about his ties to black Muslims and Nuwaubian (Moors) in Detroit, there is a large group of black "Indians" and black racists there who post to various black supremacist and black "Indian" groups. These groups all appear to be connected to Weyoke, the Binay, Blackfoot Cherokee Cultural Center, blackindianactivists@yahoogroups.com, bnaa@yahoogroups.com.
The past 20 years since Katz's book, Black Indians:A Hidden Heritage came out and the Indian Gaming Act, the failure of the reparations for slavery movement, and many black people who are determined to get compensation, are claiming to be "black Indians" or trying to claim legitimate status. TBE is just one of the most effective of these hustlers, that's why he is a threat. The rest of groups are largely marginalised since Obama's election, but they are still a potential problem.
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I was trying to get into NAFPS Friday and was redirected to a "1st Amendment" payment site. I thought that the Nuwaubians had sabotaged the site. If you get these types of people angry, they will play very nasty games.
I am still waiting for more info on TBE and his associates criminal past and records. That would be necessary to get TBE barred from entering Canada, which is what is most important to us here in Canada. He would inadmissible if he, under any of his aliases, was convicted of any crime. When I first encountered him he used the screen name "splaf" and claimed to be an ex con, and made some rather violent threats to me. His profanity was so bad he was banned from Jerry's "Tribe" for a awhile and came back under TBE's name.
Sego Don;
Yes I wondered the same thing when the NAFPS site went down for 2 days and was re-directed to the "1st-Amendment Payment Site".
It would seem that if he claimed to be an ex-con under a different screen name, "splaf" then maybe there is some truth to it. Maybe that's how he got his Muslim name, Abdul Abdullah Muhammed. Maybe he became converted to a Muslim in prison, aka James Oliver Johnson 111, to Abdul. Maybe that's also where he became some sort of a Muslim leader. Something worth checking out. It is known that his mother, was on the board of the NAACP in Erie, PA. One of the stipulations being that they cannot be mixed with Native blood in order to be on the board of the NAACP. He also has a cousin who is currently the President of the NAACP in Erie, PA. This is proof in itself that TBE nor his mother are a NAI.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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http://www.dothannaacp.org/about_us/about_us.htm (http://www.dothannaacp.org/about_us/about_us.htm)
"The history of the NAACP, is one of blood sweat and tears. From bold investigations of mob brutality, protests of mass murders, segregation and discrimination, to testimony before congressional committees on the vicious tactics used to bar African Americans from the ballot box, it was the talent and tenacity of NAACP members that saved lives and changed many negative aspects of American society. While much of its history is chronicled in books, articles, pamphlets and magazines, the true movement lies in the faces---black, white, yellow, red , and brown---united to awaken the conscientiousness of a people, and a nation. This is the legacy of the NAACP!"
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Niiki,
You are wrong about trhe NAACP they were founded by white liberals and anyone of any race can join the organization. The curent president is mixed race. The Nation of Islam is quite different, although non blacks can join now, very few ever have. It is a black religion that is rooted in a deeply racist philosophy. Not the NAACP which has always supported racial integration, human rights and equality.
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I think you need to re-read the webiste Don!
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Niiki,
You are wrong about the NAACP they were founded by white liberals and anyone of any race can join the organization. The curent president is mixed race. The Nation of Islam is quite different, although non blacks can join now, very few ever have. It is a black religion that is rooted in a deeply racist philosophy. Not the NAACP which has always supported racial integration, human rights and equality.
http://www.dothannaacp.org/about_us/about_us.htm (http://www.dothannaacp.org/about_us/about_us.htm)
Don, I did not say that the president of NAACP as a whole was African American. What I did say was that the president of the NAACP of Erie, PA, is TBE's cousin and I am not wrong about that. He is not NAI. The quote that was previous made came from their own website, not me, so before you call me down, check your facts first, Don! I also doubt that you are in touch with others who are in the know about TBE's family as I am and others that I am closely associated with.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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The NAACP is and always has been integrated. TBE I have no doubt is NOT Native American/Aboriginal, however anyone regardless of race can and do join the NAACP which is the oldest civil rights organisation in the US. I have been a member, and can tell you and anyone else it is not a black only or black supremacist group. The Washitaw, Nuwaubians and Nation of Islam all are race hate groups and all are groups who TBE is associated with. His parents were probably not black Muslims, because they did not give TBE a Muslim name. They may well have been active in the NAACP at some time. TBE may even have been affiliated with the NAACP, however they do not support or endorse the supremacist policies of the Nation of Islam. I do know my history, in fact that is what I do for a living, teaching history at Ryerson. That in part is why I am very concerned about the movement of these pseudo Indian black supremacists cults moving into Canada. But claiming that TBE is somehow connected to the NAACP in his beliefs or his agenda is simply misinformation.
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The NAACP is and always has been integrated. TBE I have no doubt is NOT Native American/Aboriginal, however anyone regardless of race can and do join the NAACP which is the oldest civil rights organisation in the US. I have been a member, and can tell you and anyone else it is not a black only or black supremacist group. The Washitaw, Nuwaubians and Nation of Islam all are race hate groups and all are groups who TBE is associated with. His parents were probably not black Muslims, because they did not give TBE a Muslim name. They may well have been active in the NAACP at some time. TBE may even have been affiliated with the NAACP, however they do not support or endorse the supremacist policies of the Nation of Islam. I do know my history, in fact that is what I do for a living, teaching history at Ryerson. That in part is why I am very concerned about the movement of these pseudo Indian black supremacists cults moving into Canada. But claiming that TBE is somehow connected to the NAACP in his beliefs or his agenda is simply misinformation.
Sego Don;
We appreciate your passion about this issue. I never insinuated that TBE is associated with the NAACP because and only because of his beliefs. What I did say and state is that his mother, verifiable, and cousin verifiable, was and are on the board of the NAACP of Erie, PA.
What this does show is that TBE's Muslim beliefs runs counter to the belief system of the NAACP. I also never stated that TBE received his Muslim name from his parents either. As if you remember I suggested that he may have received his Muslim name when he was an ex-con.
As far as TBE gaining entry into Canada based on the Jay's Treaty, if you have read the headlines lately, homeland security will only accept passports or nexus cards after June 1, 2009. They will not accept, Status Cards, Confederacy Cards, Birth certificates, or Non-enhanced Drivers licenses as acceptable IDS for point of entry into the US by land, after June 1, 2009. Now are you going to debate that Don, and call that misinformation???
http://ca.travel.yahoo.com/guides/Other/688/beware-new-us-entry-requirements (http://ca.travel.yahoo.com/guides/Other/688/beware-new-us-entry-requirements)
"Will your travel plans take you across international borders? Here's what you'll need to get in.
Planning to travel to the U.S. in the near future? Remember this date: June 1, 2009 . That's when the last phase of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) comes into effect and restrictions at the border will get even tighter. After May 31, a birth certificate and driver's license won't be enough to get you into the U.S. at land and sea entry points. A Certificate of Indian Status or Certificate of Canadian Citizenship won't be accepted either.
Instead, you'll have to present a WHTI-compliant document when you cross the border. So what are your options?"
1). Passport - Colonial Government issued
2). NEXUS card
3). Free and Secure Trade (FAST) card
4). Enhanced Drivers' License (EDL) or Enhanced Identification Card (EIC)-"EDLs are equipped with a built-in Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip.Currently, not all provinces and states offer EDLs. Right now only Quebec and Manitoba offer the program.You have to be a citizen of Canada and living in the province where you apply. You need to make an appointment and bring the necessary paperwork (like a Citizenship Questionnaire and Travel Restrictions Questionnaire for Quebec). Check with the organization/service location that issues your license for more information on procedures."
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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In case anyone has forgotten, Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe his Binay "Tribe" is now selling "Life Membership" foronly $100.00 US any black person can "become" and Indian...
Hello everyone, so much has happened. Please check the web site for updates this week.
For the month of June only we are giving away FULL LIFE TIME MEMBERSHIPS FOR ONLY $100.00
This is our fund raiser. Please take advantage of this.
http://blackindians .homestead. com/Application. html
Those who are sending monthly dues you can also sign up by going here.
You will receive new cards and certificates.
Also everyone who signs up will receive a copy of my New CD.
Thank you
http://www.blackind ians.homestead. com/TheNextStep. html
Please give a head count as well
Sound off Tribal members!
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In case anyone has forgotten, Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe his Binay "Tribe" is now selling "Life Membership" foronly $100.00 US any black person can "become" and Indian...
Hello everyone, so much has happened. Please check the web site for updates this week.
For the month of June only we are giving away FULL LIFE TIME MEMBERSHIPS FOR ONLY $100.00
This is our fund raiser. Please take advantage of this.
http://blackindians .homestead. com/Application. html
Those who are sending monthly dues you can also sign up by going here.
You will receive new cards and certificates.
Also everyone who signs up will receive a copy of my New CD.
Thank you
http://www.blackind ians.homestead. com/TheNextStep. html
Please give a head count as well
Sound off Tribal members!
No one has forgotten Don! it really doesn't matter how many cards Jerry "Eaglefeather" issues to create phoney NAI's out of African Americans, they still will not be able to use these cards or identity to gain entry by land, water or air after June 1, 2009.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendianga Mohawk Territory
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(a) The petitioner has been identified as an American Indian entity on a substantially continuous basis since 1900. Evidence that the group's character as an Indian entity has from time to time been denied shall not be considered to be conclusive evidence that this criterion has not been met. Evidence to be relied upon in determining a group's Indian identity may include one or a combination of the following, as well as other evidence of identification by other than the petitioner itself or its members.
Likely why he had his parents death certificates changed to Native American. His grandparents would then be "Indian" by 1900...BUT it still is not enough evidence to meet this criteria, as his REAL ancestors are likely Black;
Found a Bishop Jefferson Johnson Davis Myers (Bishop/ Pastor of Holy Trinity Church of God Christ, Erie PA mid late 1950's was an activist in NAACP, his grandson became president of NAACP in that region. Gregory Myers.
There is also a Francine Myers as secretary.
The only contacts for them are emails previously sent and one is a JOHNSON.
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(2) Relationships with State governments based on identification of the group as Indian.
Here we see that he has gotten "established" in some areas of PA & OH as "Erie Indian Moundbuilders"; Greg Rubino has contacts and has given political $$$ to ALL of the PA officials and more. The Mayor of Erie, PA, Gov. of PA, Rendell, The State Attorney, Many more politicians and Congressional leaders IN office today. It appears that at least PA is willing to "recognize" his fraudulent group and false genealogy? Why? Because of the "Green Energy" grants Gov. Rendell is giving away, and the big corrupt government officials who want money from casinos? Rubino's tire-burning plant is likely funded by Rendell... needs research.
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(3) Dealings with a county, parish, or other local government in a relationship based on the group's Indian identity.
Again, dealing with the LOCAL government and getting the "minority" business contract while using TBE name and EIM name ; If they accepted these names in documents, which apparently the PA government did, then he is "establishing" this section of his "recognition" Also, the "Minister" title may have something to do with this section, although a "parish" is not a church but a region. Also, what about his OHIO dealings. AND the Bruce Nuclear project. IF his name is accepted, he could get State recognition... BUT, he can also go to jail because that would violate the Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 1001 on "misrepresentation" for "Indian Preference" in jobs, as well as other laws we will find. If he lied on ANY government applications, using TBE and EIM ...
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(4) Identification as an Indian entity by anthropologists, historians, and/or other scholars.
Interestingly, he is in contact with the Pennsylvania Archeological Society. Regularly! Other scholars; Don Greene? Another "fraud"? who plaigerized the work of many people including now deceased Dr. Voegelin; used his manuscript that was unpublished via Noel Shutz, now gone website shawnee-traditions found in Wayback Machine Internet Archives. Have this data.
If Don Greene is a recognized "scholar", the archeologists "recognize" him, and the accompanying anthropologists hooked up with the archeologists, then he can say he is "recognized";
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(5) Identification as an Indian entity in newspapers and books.
He's been working hard on this one; got himself on the news and in news articles with his fake name and fake "tribe" as "Chief" in Ohio and Pennsylvania several times! But, wouldn't this mean articles of news and books prior to 1900? There are alot of new laws that need research.
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6) Identification as an Indian entity in relationships with Indian tribes or with national, regional, or state Indian organizations.
Again, putting himself "out there" as TBE & EIM with "Indian Tribes" and Nat'l, Regional & State Indian Orgs. If he had been "recognized by them"
then he would have some leverage to get Federal or State recognition. Again, Misrepresentation Federal Laws likely apply to all of the above and below.
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(b) A predominant portion of the petitioning group comprises a distinct community and has existed as a community from historical times until the present.
HE says he is "chief" and "subchief" of many tribes, has over 100 members in EIM, but where is the proof of this?
"Member's " names and genealogy need done. But, he has been contacting native people who are not federally recognized and telling them they are ERIE. Of course, he claims that he owns just about everything from Canada to South America!
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(i) Significant rates of marriage within the group, and/or, as may be culturally required, patterned out-marriages with other Indian populations.
I guess he's encouraging alot of "marriages" within his circle to demonstrate this? Cindy Hopson comes to mind. However, there is not a LONG Proof of this, even if "his members' rush to marry. His "community" in Erie, PA is "African-American" and Muslim, not Native... There isn't even a long-standing Pow-Wow in Erie, PA! I think there was ONE at the University last year; Edinborough or Gannon?
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(ii) Significant social relationships connecting individual members.
Explains why he IM's, e-mails, calls, and "conference calls" so many people who are native and non-native... "significant social relationships" in HIS mind, but not by law....
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(iii) Significant rates of informal social interaction which exist broadly among the members of a group.
What "informal social interaction"? At the "muslim" churches and the African-American community events. He often said he doesn't have "one drop of black blood"... There is a reason for this too. There is an old Federal Law that speaks to the "One Drop Rule" makes one "black"... Unless can claim Native American (or other ethnicity)!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule)
The one-drop rule is a historical colloquial term in the United States that holds that a person with any trace of African ancestry is considered black (unless having an alternative non-white ancestry which he or she can claim, such as Native American, Asian, Arab, Polynesian or Australian aboriginal).[1] It developed most strongly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery.
This notion of invisible/intangible membership in a racial group has seldom been applied to people of Native American ancestry (see Race in the United States for details). The concept has been chiefly applied to those of black African ancestry. As Langston Hughes wrote, "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown."[2]
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(iv) A significant degree of shared or cooperative labor or other economic activity among the membership.
Again, started BUSINESSES in OH & PA with "his guys", but who are the "members"? Especially the Minority business with Greg Rubino Tire Burning plant in Erie PA, and Brown-Eagle Constuction in OH, and the newly found ERIEZ in Chambersburg, PA as well as others (nursery, pharmacy, and more; some of which likely failed or never got off the ground; If he falsified documents; LIKELY, then he is in violation of 18 USC 1001 (false statements, and possibly more aspects of 18 USC, such as "Sedicious Conspiracy"; Conspiracy to defraud the United States of America 331 of above Code and possibly embezzlement from a FEDERALLY FUNDED PROGRAM? 666, Wire Fraud, 1343; Mail Fraud 1431 of 18 U. S. C.???)
Also, "Posing" as a Tribal official may have even greater penalties under the above 18 USC; for example, a tribal official was found guilty of "racketeering"; "Racketeering Extortion" (possibly the Bruce Nuclear would fall under this code as well) "Extortion by an Indian Tribal Leader", "Interstate transportation in aid of racketeering"??????
Can't have it both ways... IF he has been "recognized" by some of the criteria above (newpapers, videos, Rubino, etc) and is found out; (genealogy) He is then a fraud by U.S.C. 18, and ALL of his practices are therefore FRAUDULENT, including his businesses. He will be fined and imprisoned.... "making false statements to a financial institution", many more possiblities under Code 18 and all of its sub-sections could apply!
Take a look at: http://www.newsfollowup.com/bush_fortune2.htm (http://www.newsfollowup.com/bush_fortune2.htm)
about midpage "Pardons & Commutations" by Bill Clinton section for some examples of above and more)
(v) Evidence of strong patterns of discrimination or other social distinctions by non-members.
Is this why he's calling everone a "racist" that is trying to expose his fraudulent activites? besides being African-American?
(vi) Shared sacred or secular ritual activity encompassing most of the group.
Abdul has NEVER been observed engaging in ANY "shared SAcred or secular ritual acivity except, "SELF-PROMOTION"! He didn't even know HOW to give the Traditional Thanksgiving at a gathering he attended in Canada. He was seen TRYING to read something from a paper (a prepared paper? much later that was alledgedly written in "Erie" language. The "alledged Thanksgiving" could have been anything (meaning NOTHING) because even current Federally Recognized tribes are rapidly losing their languages and trying to maintain them. He likely found something in the Jesuit Relations from the 1600's? and decided it was a "Thanksgiving" or it could be a Shawnee Thanksgiving or any other of the MANY Eastern Tribes words... Interpretation needed by Abdul!
(vii) Cultural patterns shared among a significant portion of the group that are different from those of the non-Indian populations with whom it interacts. These patterns must function as more than a symbolic identification of the group as Indian. They may include, but are not limited to, language, kinship organization, or religious beliefs and practices.
The only "cultural patterns" shared by his "council" are BUSINESS MEETINGS with other non-Indian populations. Where is the "Cultural Pattern"? And NOT from info found in books... anyone can do that and steal cultural information & Spirituality of REAL "Indians"....Too may are doing this and THEY are IN JAIL! (Malcolm Webber IV or IV, "Golden Eagle" in NY prison for trying to get recognition. Another fraud to look into is James David Audlin. (This info comes from a Federally Enrolled researcher who was very instrumental in getting a fake "tribe" prosecuted in Arkansas. Needs more research)
Need to check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
for starters on Federal Law which may pertain to Abdul and HOW to get the FED involved!
(viii) The persistence of a named, collective Indian identity continuously over a period of more than 50 years, notwithstanding changes in name.
Wasn't that name change and RACE change on the Parents Death Certificates possibly part of this one!? Need to check with Department of Vital Records to see if any of the documents he presented are even REAL. They won't tell us the real info, but will verify if fraudulent. WHOSE initials OK'd that "REV" Revision on the death certificated for Box 10 & 20 (Race & Person Reporting Change (TBE from James Oliver Johnson, III?) th Certificates have a watermark that says "Copy" across them. May have modified his B.C.? By the way, Pennsylvania didn't REQUIRE Birth & Death Certificates to be recorded prior to 1906! (Another way to get around "this?" BUT, 1893-96 kept marriage records at Dept. of Internal Affairs, and Counties kept records after 1852-54. Data/Info found at:
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/BAH/DAM/vitalsta.htm
Working on this link info...Needs research...genealogy... etc.
Here's the PA Dept. Of Vital Records:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/pennsylv.htm
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“Many unsubstantiated statements have been anonymously posted on this forum regarding Tecumseh Brown Eagle and his associates. Truth is a fundamental way of life for the true Native American. Truth is our heritage. Therefore, I respectfully request that the people who have posted these statements do so in their own true name, giving their address and phone numbers, and that they allow themselves to be contacted directly by Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, along with his associates. This contact should be civil, done in a public forum in person, and focused on the truth. For instance, several statements have provided strong allegations of criminal behavior and criminal convictions attributed to some of Tecumseh’s associates, but the source was hidden. (Words like drug “bust” were used to make the reader think that the person had been charged and convicted, but that is completely false and the accused has tried twice to register to make posts on the forum, but he has been denied.)
The truth stands on its own and the source of any truth should always be proud to be identified. Those who would hide the source of any information render that information invalid.
It is a long tradition of the liar that he mixes the truth with the untruth in an effort to give credibility to the untruth. An honorable Native American must reject such tactics. Innuendo and rumor are not worthy of being spoken. Unsubstantiated statements regarding the honor of another person’s life have no place in our culture. The color of a person’s skin, the nature of the journey they have taken to find their true self, and the honor of a person’s friends are things to be valued, not denigrated. The simple act of Tecumseh changing his name as he found and then honored his Native American ancestry is something to be praised, not condemned. I will wait to see if Niiki, Don Naconna, educatedindian and the others will identify themselves so that they can be contacted by Tecumseh and his associates. At the time of contact, Niiki, Don Naconna, educatedindian and the others who have posted all of the information which shed bad light on Tecumseh and his associates can provide proof of such information from reliable sources, and the record can then stand as a truth, not the fiction presented in this forum.”
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“Many unsubstantiated statements have been anonymously posted on this forum regarding Tecumseh Brown Eagle and his associates. Truth is a fundamental way of life for the true Native American. Truth is our heritage. Therefore, I respectfully request that the people who have posted these statements do so in their own true name, giving their address and phone numbers, and that they allow themselves to be contacted directly by Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, along with his associates. This contact should be civil, done in a public forum in person, and focused on the truth. For instance, several statements have provided strong allegations of criminal behavior and criminal convictions attributed to some of Tecumseh’s associates, but the source was hidden. (Words like drug “bust” were used to make the reader think that the person had been charged and convicted, but that is completely false and the accused has tried twice to register to make posts on the forum, but he has been denied.)
The truth stands on its own and the source of any truth should always be proud to be identified. Those who would hide the source of any information render that information invalid.
It is a long tradition of the liar that he mixes the truth with the untruth in an effort to give credibility to the untruth. An honorable Native American must reject such tactics. Innuendo and rumor are not worthy of being spoken. Unsubstantiated statements regarding the honor of another person’s life have no place in our culture. The color of a person’s skin, the nature of the journey they have taken to find their true self, and the honor of a person’s friends are things to be valued, not denigrated. The simple act of Tecumseh changing his name as he found and then honored his Native American ancestry is something to be praised, not condemned. I will wait to see if Niiki, Don Naconna, educatedindian and the others will identify themselves so that they can be contacted by Tecumseh and his associates. At the time of contact, Niiki, Don Naconna, educatedindian and the others who have posted all of the information which shed bad light on Tecumseh and his associates can provide proof of such information from reliable sources, and the record can then stand as a truth, not the fiction presented in this forum.”
And you have never identified yourself Cindy Hopson. You state "Truth is our heritage". If you are classifying yourself in that , it is not your heritage, as you are white! If you are classifying Abdul in that, it is also not his heritage as he is an African American Muslim, proven over and over again. As far the fiction goes, the only fiction that has been posted here, is what has come from you Cindy Hopson and others who who have supported his deceit and lies! Light has been shed on a fraud, Abdul Abdulla Muhammed. And the lies that Abdul has spread about him and others is what has been brought out in the open, and will continue to . All statements posted here are factual and can be very easily substantiated. Fiction you say Cindy? For you yourself have been found not be a NAI!! You are nothing to us. As there is no such thing under our Great Law as an Algonquin. If anything all those who were at one time Algonquin, were brought into our Confederacy under the Mohawks, and all then became Mohawk! There are no longer any Algonguins under our Law. And under our Law you are not Mohawk unless you can trace your blood through your mother's nation and clan. Something you have never been able to do, Cindy Hopson. Therefore under our law , you are white, and you cannot classify yourself as such and claim heritage that is not yours! Let's see if Abdul can substantiate the statements he has made about those who oppose him.
It works both ways. You threaten civil action, so be it, civil action can be easily taken against him, and his supporters including yourself!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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1. Many unsubstantiated statements have been anonymously posted on this forum regarding Tecumseh Brown Eagle and his associates.
2. Truth is a fundamental way of life for the true Native American. Truth is our heritage.
3. Therefore, I respectfully request that the people who have posted these statements do so in their own true name, giving their address and phone numbers, and that they allow themselves to be contacted directly by Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, along with his associates.
4. For instance, several statements have provided strong allegations of criminal behavior and criminal convictions attributed to some of Tecumseh’s associates, but the source was hidden. (Words like drug “bust” were used to make the reader think that the person had been charged and convicted, but that is completely false and
5. the accused has tried twice to register to make posts on the forum, but he has been denied.)
6. The color of a person’s skin, the nature of the journey they have taken to find their true self, and the honor of a person’s friends are things to be valued, not denigrated.
7. The simple act of Tecumseh changing his name as he found and then honored his Native American ancestry is something to be praised, not condemned.
8. I will wait to see if Niiki, Don Naconna, educatedindian and the others will identify themselves so that they can be contacted by Tecumseh and his associates.
It seems what got Ms. Hopson to return was the realization that Johnson's tactics to try and get his Black supremacy outift recognized as a legit Indian tribe are being exposed.
Ms. Hopson, I notice the quote marks. Can you state publicly: Is this a statement from Johnson? I believe it is, but you sure don't help matters by not making that clear.
I added numbers to make it clear what I'm responding to.
1. There is not a single anonymous post anywhere in this thread I'm aware of. If there is, kindly point it out.
2. I added bold to point out that Johnson still is claiming (with no proof) that he is Native.
3. Oh brother. Who I am is a matter of public record both here and elsewhere online. If you're too lazy to look, that's not my problem. The same is true of Don's actual name.
And no, we won't post addresses or phone numbers publicly. We don't post personal information that could be used for harassment, not for anyone. Eg, even if we had Johnson's home phone, we wouldn't post it either.
It's also important to note that both Hopson and Rubino have already contacted me by email.
Hopson repeatedly offered to put Johnson in contact with the NAFPS moderators several months ago.
She even got repeated elaborate promises we would keep confidential anything she and Johnson sent to us.
Then she (or Johnson) backed down and would not contact us all these months.
So OK, Hopson and Johnson. Contact me now by email, or be shown to be either liars or cowards yet again.
4. It's pretty obvious they're talking about Rubino's alleged organized crime ties and activity. The source was not hidden. The source was GoErie.com. And their sources included local and state investigators.
"Drug bust" means just that. Rubino was accused of being found with drugs or dealing drugs. It doesn't necessarily mean convicted. I never used the term bust, but I did make it clear (in responding to what Nikki spoke) that these are still allegations at this point in time.
5. Johnson has never been stopped from joining. In fact we've expressed our hope that he would join.
6. Oh brother, the Black supremacist is seriously trying to claim a multiracial forum said something racist about him? All we did is point out how ridiculous Hopson's claim that Iroquois in old photos look African is.
And it's pretty bizarre for Johnson to be defending an alleged organized crime figure's "honor."
7. Johnson lying about who his ancestors are, altering his grandparents death certificate, using someone else's genealogy, and taking a name he has no right to are not anything to be praised, but to be condemned.
8. Like I said before, who Don and myself are IRL is well known and all over this forum. We don't hide it. Don't get angry at us just because you're too lazy to read.
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It is clear to me that TBE is claiming to be an "Indian" based on his belief in the Washitaw/Nuwaubian mythology. NO BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT INDIANS. These people are followers of Dwight York, a convicted child molestor and rapist who claims to have been born on the Rizq and is the messenger for the "Ancient Ones". TBE has taken this mythology to a higher level,actually inventing a genealogy in which he claims to be not only descended from the Cherokee, but almost every nation east of the Mississippi. I love this he even claims to be a pure blood "Metis" and a descendant of royal houses of Europe. How can you be a full blood and a mixed blood and be descended from nations that are thousands of miles apart.
If TBE can document his genealogy, I would love to see it. Does he, like York, claim to have been born on the planet Rizq? What would his DNA indicate, that he is a full blood, what? TBE was a black Muslim who became a Nuwaubian because it was at the time a good scam. Some black folks will believe anything, I am surprised that he has white new age supporters like Ms. Hopkins. But then again there were white and black people passing the Kool-Aid around at Jonestown.
TBE is still being investigated by my associates in law enforcement, suffice it to say that anyone who has as many aliases as he does has something to hide. We want to make sure that he is ineligible to enter Canada.
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Tansi;
I always get a kick out of it when someone claims to be a "full blooded" Metis! I hope that he gets in touch with the Metis National Council (they could use a laugh), and also hope that he is kept out of our country!
Ric
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I respectfully request that the people who have posted these statements do so in their own true name, giving their address and phone numbers, and that they allow themselves to be contacted directly by Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, along with his associates.
Why? So he can use threats and terror tactics like he's done many times. I spend a lot of time dealing with people like him in real time. I know his type.
Richard C. Joseph
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Tansi;
I always get a kick out of it when someone claims to be a "full blooded" Metis! I hope that he gets in touch with the Metis National Council (they could use a laugh), and also hope that he is kept out of our country!
Ric
He also claims to be full blood in several nations, and also descended from the royal families of Europe.As Africans are NOT Indians, and Indians are not Europeans, how is this possible. Like claiming to be a pure Metis, how can you be a pure Metis when by definition, Metis are mixed blood, French or Scots and Ojibwe or Cree.
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What "informal social interaction"? At the "muslim" churches and the African-American community events. He often said he doesn't have "one drop of black blood"... There is a reason for this too. There is an old Federal Law that speaks to the "One Drop Rule" makes one "black"... Unless can claim Native American (or other ethnicity)!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
The one-drop rule is a historical colloquial term in the United States that holds that a person with any trace of African ancestry is considered black (unless having an alternative non-white ancestry which he or she can claim, such as Native American, Asian, Arab, Polynesian or Australian aboriginal).[1] It developed most strongly out of the binary culture of long years of institutionalized slavery.
This notion of invisible/intangible membership in a racial group has seldom been applied to people of Native American ancestry (see Race in the United States for details). The concept has been chiefly applied to those of black African ancestry. As Langston Hughes wrote, "You see, unfortunately, I am not black. There are lots of different kinds of blood in our family. But here in the United States, the word 'Negro' is used to mean anyone who has any Negro blood at all in his veins. In Africa, the word is more pure. It means all Negro, therefore black. I am brown."[2]
That's why he goes out of his way to convince people he is not black, as he does has done a very good job of brainwashing Cindy Hopson. She appears on here to make foolish statements that have no subtance or truth, as to stir up the pot even more.
Sounds like she might be a government agent??? Hey Hopson, what's your badge number??
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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This is a link to the wiki article on the Nuwaubians, TBE's cult. Note the ties to the Yamasee, one of the oldest black Indian groups. They claim to have come to America on a land bridge from Africa, long before "red Indians" and Columbus...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubianism
The 'one drop rule' has never been government "policy" except in the states with segregation laws. Many Indians and mixed bloods were victims of the 'one drop rule' in Virginia, when the government reclassified Indians as "black, white or colored" depending on their appearance.Some families had darker skinned kids in "colored" schools and lighter skinned kids in "white" schools. The government declared that the native nation of Virginia were 'extinguished' and all members had intermarried with whites or black Virginians. Many mixed race people were erased from history in what became called "Pencil genocide". The Virginia nations have finally received recognition after a very long struggle.
TBE and his ilk have no legitimacy at all. You would have to believe the entire myth to accept that these black people have any claim to legitimacy. Just like his mentor and 'saviour' York was a con artist so are his followers. TBE is trying to scam Canadian First Nations like he conned folks in Ohio...
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This is a link to the wiki article on the Nuwaubians, TBE's cult. Note the ties to the Yamasee, one of the oldest black Indian groups. They claim to have come to America on a land bridge from Africa, long before "red Indians" and Columbus...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubianism
The 'one drop rule' has never been government "policy" except in the states with segregation laws. Many Indians and mixed bloods were victims of the 'one drop rule' in Virginia, when the government reclassified Indians as "black, white or colored" depending on their appearance.Some families had darker skinned kids in "colored" schools and lighter skinned kids in "white" schools. The government declared that the native nation of Virginia were 'extinguished' and all members had intermarried with whites or black Virginians. Many mixed race people were erased from history in what became called "Pencil genocide". The Virginia nations have finally received recognition after a very long struggle.
TBE and his ilk have no legitimacy at all. You would have to believe the entire myth to accept that these black people have any claim to legitimacy. Just like his mentor and 'saviour' York was a con artist so are his followers. TBE is trying to scam Canadian First Nations like he conned folks in Ohio...
Yes and TBE, Hopson, and assocaites all fit into this catergory of using threat and scam tactics to try to claim something that they have no right to claim. In Hopsons post she and Abdul claim to be Native by saying " Our heritage". Hopson is white and Abdul=TBE is Black, neither one are Native. Also note that name Hopson is using in this forum is a Nuwabian name. She tries to portray herself as one who is Native though her talk but those of us who are real, can see right through her OTAH!
I would not give her or TBE my contact info, as I don't want them harrassing or trying to terrorize me at my home. I do believe that Don & Educated Indian would also feel the same way.
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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I got a pm from Hopson and a email from Rubino. Rubino must really be scared he wants us (Al, Niiki and me) to meet him and TBE is Erie. Sounds like a set up for a mob hit. Hopson even has some personal information about me. They must all be really scared of what we're finding out about TBE and his scams. Let me state for the record. I don't believe that the Nuwaubians/Washitaw are indigenous people and therefore not entitled to legal status as Indians in Canada or the US. Based on all the information I have seen about TBE and his "tribe", I do not believe they have any claim or title to any lands here or in the US. Until such time as some jurisdiction accepts the Nuwaubians/Washitaw/Moors as a legitimate indigenous nation, they are NOT Indians (aboriginal). So Ms. Hopson and Mr. Rubino when you have such documentation contact me, until such time do not waste my time, and do not send me emails with threats either direct of implied. Niiki, I will forward you the emails and pms.
DN
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I got a pm from Hopson and a email from Rubino. Rubino must really be scared he wants us (Al, Niiki and me) to meet him and TBE is Erie. Sounds like a set up for a mob hit. Hopson even has some personal information about me. They must all be really scared of what we're finding out about TBE and his scams. Let me state for the record. I don't believe that the Nuwaubians/Washitaw are indigenous people and therefore not entitled to legal status as Indians in Canada or the US. Based on all the information I have seen about TBE and his "tribe", I do not believe they have any claim or title to any lands here or in the US. Until such time as some jurisdiction accepts the Nuwaubians/Washitaw/Moors as a legitimate indigenous nation, they are NOT Indians (aboriginal). So Ms. Hopson and Mr. Rubino when you have such documentation contact me, until such time do not waste my time, and do not send me emails with threats either direct of implied. Niiki, I will forward you the emails and pms.
DN
Niawen gowa Don for the forwarded emails. As it stands, I nor we have any interest in meeting with TBE or his associates, as there are no misunderstandings to clear up as he suggests. We clearly understand who they are, and they are not NAI! I nor any of us wish to waiste our time clearing anything up, as I shall continue to post information that is found out.
They also do not even want to attempt to harrass me!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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If I have any more emails from either Ms. Hopson or Mr. Rubino I will let them know that I consider it to be harassment and will take approriate action. One thing is becoming very clear, people who have nothing to hide don't go to such extreme lengths for nothing. I'll keep you and the group informed. This is getting pretty big!
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If I have any more emails from either Ms. Hopson or Mr. Rubino I will let them know that I consider it to be harassment and will take approriate action. One thing is becoming very clear, people who have nothing to hide don't go to such extreme lengths for nothing. I'll keep you and the group informed. This is getting pretty big!
It is quite obvious that TBE and all of his associates have something to hide. As they are doing everything they can to cover their corrupt tracks! I will also keep the group informed as I receive more information.
http://www.erietube.com/_Rubinos-remarks-to-board/audio/389488/3766.html
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090327/NEWS02/303269848/0/RSS
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3211333
Niawen gowa Don for those emails! Have you forwarded them to Educated Indian, since his name was mentioned in them ?
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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RESPONSE TO NACONNA REPLY #270 & 272
Your quote: " He also claims to be full blood in several nations, and also descended from the royal families of Europe.As Africans are NOT Indians, and Indians are not Europeans, how is this possible. Like claiming to be a pure Metis, how can you be a pure Metis when by definition, Metis are mixed blood, French or Scots and Ojibwe or Cree."
My response: [Personal attacks removed] Pure Metis? That has never been claimed.
Your quote: "This is a link to the wiki article on the Nuwaubians, TBE's cult"
My response: You need to post "actual" legal documentation that shows Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is Nuwaubian and is part of a cult. It is a blatant lie!
Your quote: "TBE and his ilk have no legitimacy at all. You would have to believe the entire myth to accept that these black people have any claim to legitimacy. Just like his mentor and 'saviour' York was a con artist so are his followers. TBE is trying to scam Canadian First Nations like he conned folks in Ohio.."
My response: Again, these are blatant lies!
As I have relayed to educatedindian and Niiki, send Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle or Greg Rubino legal documented proof of what you claim and legal documented proof of who you are.
[Contact information removed. As we stated before, we do not allow the posting of personal information which could be used for harassment. Ms. Hopson was obivously violating the rules of the forum in the hope of causing legal problems for the forum.]
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Does Tecumseh have a CDIB card or any other documents from the federal government indicating his status? As to his affiliation with the Nuwaubians and the Binay, I have read his posts in the Binay group list in which he indicates that he is seeking recognition based on the Washitaw claim of being the original indigenous Americans. He has also associated himself with the Nation of Islam. Unless TBE has been recognised as a Indian by the US or Canadian government and he represents himself as an Indian for personal gain o profit, he's a fraud. I have Cherokee and Creek blood, however I don't claim to be an Indian, why because I was not raised in the culture. Having some Indian blood does not make one an Indian, living in an Indian community and practicing the traditions, ceremonies and being accepted as part of that community and nation. Which community is TBE part of? Which nation claims him as their own? Which language does he speak? Which clan claims him and his mother? Which chiefs and elders have vouched for him. So far he appears to have only 2 supporters, both obviously non Indian. You claim to have documents that support TBE claims, why haven't you posted those documents? If those documents are anything like his illustrious biography all false, don't bother, because we are not interested in wasting our time. Ms. Hopson, all I ask is that you either provide proof or shut up. TBE has provided enough proof that he is NOT what he claimsand I think that the members of this group and others have made up their minds. He is a non Indian, seeking to profit from declaring that he is an Indian, which makes him a fraud. Until you have posted your documents, don't send me any more emails, and tell Mr. Rubino the same thing.
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There is no reason for you not to post the documentation that you claim to have, i.e. the rolls, birth, death certificates of TBE ancestors on the Dawes and Guion Rolls. That is interesting that he would have ancestors who appear on both the Eastern and Oklahoma rolls and that has nothing to do with his other claims i.e. the Washitaw Empire claim to the lands of the Louisiana Territory. Or that he is a descendant of the Erie people, when the Erie people have no connection to him, or that he is the representative of the Indian people of Ohio and chief of "29" tribes, none of whom have heard about his chief status or of him.What about his claims to be descended from the "royal houses of Europe",did his ancestors travel by spaceship invisibly across the Atlantic or did they come from Rizq. If he is not a member of the Nation of Islam, why does he use the title of their clergymen, "Minister"? So lets see, we have Tecumseh Brown Eagle, who invented his name, who was Minister Abdul Adulla Mohammed, and may have been born James Oliver Johnson or maybe not. If you can't see through that alone you are as delusional as he is! I was willing to back off this because its very time consuming, until I was informed about his activites in the gaming field, and in Pennsylvania, my birthplace. The idea that not only is this man misrepresenting himself in Canada, but he's actively trying to steal what should rightfully belong to the 12,000+ legitimate Indians in the state.
You see when non Indians seek to profit from an industry that is set aside for Indian people, that's theft, from the taxpayers and consumers, and from those people the laws were established to help. I have family members who are very involved in state politics who need to be brought up to speed about the activities of this non Indian group and their agenda.. I really believe that Governor Rendell would like more information on TBE and his "tribe". You see TBE is misrepresenting himself as an Indian for power and profit, which, to us is fraud. So stop sending me pms and emails without documentation, and not some cut and paste bullshit like his family tree! I don't want to speak for Niiki or people, but I would say that Canadian aboriginal people, elders, and leaders should reject any connections with Tecumseh Brown Eagle.
Further that any folks who ask about TBE be directed here to this thread. This group has come under fire from other frauds and come back stronger, exposing more frauds and fakes. You should read about some of those exposed frauds, you'd realise that TBE is basically small fry. I know that there are members of this group who post to other boards and other boards and other boards here and in the US, call it a fraud DEW line (Distant Early Warning).
PSMs.Hopkins don't send me any more emails or pms until you have documents to post in this thread. Thanks
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In response to Reply #266 by educatedindian on May 04, 2009
"It seems what got Ms. Hopson to return was the realization that Johnson's tactics to try and get his Black supremacy outift recognized as a legit Indian tribe are being exposed."
Response: Yet again you are incorrect, not to mention the fact that the continuous disrespect by not calling him by his legal name which is... Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is deplorable.
"Truth is a fundamental way of life for the true Native American. Truth is our heritage.
Ms. Hopson, I notice the quote marks. Can you state publicly: Is this a statement from Johnson? I believe it is, but you sure don't help matters by not making that clear.'
My Response: As for making anything clear........... the main thing I see that needs to be made clear is the fact that "in the real world" the accuser(s) would need to prove who they are by legal documentation FIRST, before making demands on the accused. Legal documentation such as birth records, your lineage proof (with Dawes Comm numbers,etc.)
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[Very long sidetrack removed. Hopson also altered the content of some of the posts she reposted.]
TO FORUM: For those of you in here that have accused Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle as being a (a)"Black Supremest" and (b)anti-native, or saying that he said he is (c)"full-blooded" Metis. If he was (a) he wouldn't be Co-Chairman of so many different tribes (he never said he was one of those within all of those tribes!), he wouldn't be An Advocate for: Human Rights and Minorities (yes, minorities - that would mean all of them), or on the Erie County Human Relations Commission Advisory Board, or have so many friends and confidantes that are of all different culture, race and colour, I could go on and on; (b) he wouldn't be Co-Chairman of the Native American Reconciliation Campaign, again I could go on and on; (c) he never said he was full-blooded Metis, you don't have to be Metis to be involved in their organization. Words seem to be twisted throughout this whole thread by tooo many. He is a very diverse man who constantly learns about other cultures, it does not mean he always believes in what those peoples do, or is of that culture.
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TO FORUM: Funny why there have not been more questions in this forum regarding the fact that David R.aka Rastia'ta'non:ha, corresponded for a few years with many of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle and his Tribes contacts which supported and provided information, proof and legitimacy to them of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle and his Tribe's claims?? Then all of a sudden when there is a dispute between them he states that Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is a fraud??
Lets be real here, in my opinion David R. is angry (no, livid) that the Chief wanted to include all Aboriginal Tribes and peoples in assisting the nuclear power plant, to follow the laws by informing all of the tribal groups. David R. is against both the power plant and all of the tribes being represented in the informational process. Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagles tribe has always been known as the Neutrals because of their insight to listen to the needs of the people involved and not incite the people, causing them to become short sighted. David R. was also fully aware of the fact that a full and complete lineage including Dawes Comm numbers, etc. had been done for the Chief approximately a year ago, but he chose to "jump the gun" and accuse him of being a fraud. He knew full and well that the information on the Chief's website was a "skeletal" lineage and was not even close to completion nor had it been researched yet. In my opinion it is NOT Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle's native background that should be at question here.
educatedindian
1. "There is not a single anonymous post anywhere in this thread I'm aware of. If there is, kindly point it out."
My response to your #1: You are word playing, anonymous as in ........... pseudonyms like "Niiki".
educatedindian
2. "I added bold to point out that Johnson still is claiming (with no proof) that he is Native."
My response to your #2: As stated earlier.......the accuser(s) would need to prove who they are by legal documentation FIRST, before making demands on the accused. Legal documentation such as birth records and lineage proof including Dawes Comm numbers, etc.
educatedindian
3. "And no, we won't post addresses or phone numbers publicly. We don't post personal information that could be used for harassment, not for anyone. Eg, even if we had Johnson's home phone, we wouldn't post it either."
My response to your #3: That is not true, MY personal email address was posted by Niiki and allowed to stay posted until I requested it removed? Not to mention the fact that my real name is constantly posted by you and Niiki??
I respectfully request that you email your phone number and postal address as well as your legal name, birth documents, parents information, your lineage (including Comm numbers, etc.) to Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle and/or his associate Greg Rubino, so that they may make direct contact. Yes we do have your email address, but you do not speak truth, instead you play on words.
educatedindian
4. "It's pretty obvious they're talking about Rubino's alleged organized crime ties and activity. The source was not hidden. The source was GoErie.com. And their sources included local and state investigators."Drug bust" means just that. Rubino was accused of being found with drugs or dealing drugs. It doesn't necessarily mean convicted. I never used the term bust, but I did make it clear (in responding to what Nikki spoke) that these are still allegations at this point in time."
My response to your #4: I contacted Mr. Rubino, and that is completely untrue! The fact is that the FBI stated publicly that it has never even investigated Mr. Rubino, much less busted him. He has never been as much as charged with any crime of any kind, not even a misdemeanour, by any law enforcement agency. He is highly respected by legitimate law enforcements and they consider him a friend. There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Mr. Rubino is linked to any illegal activities, alleged or otherwise. I went to the link you posted and did not find this "drug bust" information. I ask that you direct me to exact place on GoErie.com that you saw this untrue statement. If it is not from a law enforcement source, then it is just jibberish and should be totally disregarded, you should know better than that.
educatedindian
6. "Oh brother, the Black supremacist is seriously trying to claim a multiracial forum said something racist about him?" All we did is point out how ridiculous Hopson's claim that Iroquois in old photos look African is"
(b) "And it's pretty bizarre for Johnson to be defending an alleged organized crime figure's "honor."
My response to your #6: Oh brother, THAT is completely untrue of mainly "Niiki".
My response to #6(b): Post true proof of this statement as Greg Rubino has said "it is totally false!" What law enforcement agency has made public any proof of any nature whatsoever that Greg Rubino is an organized crime figure, alleged or otherwise?
educatedindian
7. "Johnson lying about who his ancestors are, altering his grandparents death certificate, using someone else's genealogy, and taking a name he has no right to are not anything to be praised, but to be condemned."
My Response to your number #7: Where is your proof of any of this statement? Documented proof, not fabricated here-say, allegations and assumptions from Niiki? These types of statements are definitely NOT criticism as you wrote in your email to Greg Rubino.... "Finally, criticism is not "libel". That is black letter law."
educatedindian, Niiki/David R. and Don Naconna bring forth your proof or apologize publicly. Stop dancing around the issues and send us legal proof of who you are, your background, etc. and the proof (legal documented proof) of all that you say. Not rumour, character assassination and innuendo… proof. What are you afraid of? You are welcome to attend Greg Rubino's offices for a meeting in person, where you will be treated with respect, something that has not been shown here.
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RESPONSE TO Niiki Reply #275 &277
You have no interest in meeting, what are you afraid of?
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NOTICE TO FORUM: Many of you have attacked 3 good, honest, caring people, I would be ashamed of myself if I did that to anyone. Any Proof that needs to be given in support of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle will be forwarded only to those of importance, to those that have authority to be in possession of it and have prov-en to us who they are. I don't doubt that eventually you will see the proof through other means, but it will not be directly from me and certainly not in this Forum.
Perhaps if you keep a watch on the Chief's website, someday you might find it there. Niiki/David R., educatedindian, and Don Naconna, if and when you do see the proof, we (myself, Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle and Greg Rubino) expect a written public apology from all three of you.
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If there are documents post them here.
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I would really like to see the documents that state that Stand Watie and Moytoy are TBE ancestors, and how 2 Cherokee cheifs ahev anything to do with either the Shawnee or the Mohawk. How can someone who claims to be full blood Indian from apparently every tribe east of the Mississippi also claim to be a direct descendant of the "royal houses of Europe". This same person also claims to be the chief of 39 nations, which nations. Is he recognised by any of these tribes? Is he recognised by the US BIA or NOT. You cannot simply invent a family history, just because you're black. Please tell us is TBE NOT a black American who was born James Oliver Johnson or not? As he has claimed to be both a member of the Nation of Islam which is a black supremacist organisation listed by Southern Poverty Law Center as a race hate group, and the United Nuwaubians also a hate group, why is a white woman defending him. Part of their theology is that white people are "devils". Either you are very naive or just extremely stupid or are full of self hatred.
As we are all familiar with TBE's likeness, I doubt that anyone who has seen it would call this man anything but African. Having been raised in a black family, I can tell you if anything TBE is about as close to pure African as you will see in the states. Only very naive or ignorant people would say that he is anything but a black American, regardless of his "story".
Do you believe that he was a taek won doh Olympic champion, even before the sport was in the Olympics, as a poster here discovered, or that he is a 32nd degree Mason when we were unable to discover any ties to Prince Hall Masons (My father is a 32nd degree Mason). I believe that TBE is a pathological liar and a con man. So do many others so we are all waiting for this proof, his CDIB card, genealogy that shows an unbroken line to Stand Watie and Moytoy, for starters and all of the other chiefs he has claimed, his name on the Cherokee Eastern Band, CNO or Keetowah rolls, direct blood relatives on the Guinon and Dawes Rolls, geneaology that includes the surviving Erie, who were either killed or adopted into other tribes after 1680, letters of elders, chiefs of the Confederacy acknowledging TBE ancestry as a Erie, letters of recognition from the clan mothers of the Grand River, letters from the Tyendinaga Mohawk and recognition of his claims to being a chief of a recognised nation in Canada or the US.
If you have any of those documents post them here, if you don't stop playing with us and accept that you are an ignorant naive white person who has been duped by a black fraud, posing as an Indian. Frankly I am really kind if anxious to see what tyou and TBE come up with, I'd love to meet a person who is both pure blood European royalty and full blood Cherokee and even Metis, but look like a member of the Fruit of Islam. Show us all what you have!
Its not about some game, its about fraud and to claim that you are something you are not to gain from that claim it is fraud. If TBE seeks anything based on his false claim of status, he is commiting fraud. Its that simple. If every black American decided to claim that they were really Indians they would be stealing what rightfully belongs to Indians. TBE has no more valid claim than any other Nuwaubian/Washitaw to anything, black people were not here before Indians, science proves that. The Nuwaubians claim that they arrived from the Planet Rizq millions of years ago. RIGHT!
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Naconna:
I am not Rubino’s errand girl. If you have a message for him, deliver it yourself, preferably in person. All I know about Rubino at this point is that he thinks you and your NAFPS associates are dogs, not men, because you hide behind pseudonyms instead of standing tall like real men. Those are his words, not mine, so go talk to him about his claims.
Also, you are so misinformed. One does not have to be recognized by another foreign government to be an Indian. Quite the opposite is true. If you and your associates are the role models for real NAIs, God help us. [Childish insults and personal attacks removed]
As I stated before there will be no proof shown in this forum from us. [Long series of childish insults deleted] none of you in here have proven WHY you should be shown or give any of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagles' proof!!
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No Don, she's not Rubino's servant directly. She's Johnson's errand girl. And Johnson is an errand boy for Rubino. Johnson is a useful (potentially well paid) puppet, someone who can be used to undermine NDN opposition to nuclear power plants, give him a useful stooge by claiming to represent two minorities instead of one, etc. And possibly even give Rubino an inside track on the fantasy of the EMBT someday becoming a recognized tribe and getting its own casino. But the BIA recognition branch is not that stupid. They will never become a recognized tribe. It's a delusion on the part of all three.
But clear thinking is not their strong point. Conspiracy thinking is.
Believing that the slave trade across the Atlantic never happened, Holocaust Denial on a grand scale.
Believing that millions of NDNs are not NDNs and that somehow Africans are.
Believing that shouting "YOU prove who you are!" over and over as Hopson has done somehow will distract people from their lies, their racism, their attempts to undermine the sovereignty of actual tribes.
Hopson knows who I am. So does Rubino. And presumably so does Johnson. Same is true with who Don is. I haven't hidden who I am in ten years of being with NAFPS. That they lie and pretend I do is a very silly and transparent tactic.
And no, Ms. Hopson. I will not insult the memory of a great leader by calling Johnson a name he has no right to. Johnson should apologize to the Shawnee people and change his name back. Paying money to get your name changed does not give him the moral right to take that name. If you or he don't understand that, you only show how little both of you know or understand about actual NDN people. If you ignore the insult he carries out by taking that name, you once again show your contempt for actual NDN people.
I teach my students about the danger of conspiracy thinking. Mainly, it's such a simple minded way of looking at things it blinds you to inconvenient facts.
Here's a huge inconvenient fact that Hopson, Johnson, and Rubino have all ignored:
Fraud is a serious crime, a felony you can do hard time for. Using fraudulent genealogy claims to try and get recognized as a tribe can get you FBI investigations, and has gotten would be phony "chiefs" sent to prison. If you doubt me, look it up.
Choose your association carefully, Ms. Hopson. Potentially you (and Rubino) could also face charges for aiding Johnson.
And let me end this on a humorous note:
Apparently you haven't noticed that....
...since Johnson (and other believers in Moorish Science, Nuwaubians, Washitaws, etc) claim Africans are the true American Indians...
...Johnson and the other EMBT do not believe you are American Indian either. ;D
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Naconna:
I am not Rubino’s errand girl. If you have a message for him, deliver it yourself, preferably in person. All I know about Rubino at this point is that he thinks you and your NAFPS associates are dogs, not men, because you hide behind pseudonyms instead of standing tall like real men. Those are his words, not mine, so go talk to him about his claims.
Also, you are so misinformed. One does not have to be recognized by another foreign government to be an Indian. Quite the opposite is true. If you and your associates are the role models for real NAIs, God help us. [Childish insults and personal attacks removed]
As I stated before there will be no proof shown in this forum from us. [Long series of childish insults deleted] none of you in here have proven WHY you should be shown or give any of Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagles' proof!!
Its pretty clear to me that none of TBE supporters/followers/cult members are Indian, certainly not this person. Referring to Indian people as "NAI" is a bit redundant, does that mean Native American Indians? That's sort of like saying a "caucasian white American" or a "black African American". TBE has no proof that he has any Indian blood and his sole purpose is to rip people off claiming to an NATIVE AMERICAN. If you can't see that you are as blind as you are naive. You claimed to have proof, but now won't produce it. I don't think that anyone in this group claimed to be "role models for real NAIs" did we, do you?Do you teach native children that anyone can claim their heritage, if they are black and greedy. You have no proof so I would simply shut up and stop bothering legtimate aboriginal people, harassing leaders and elders and getting involved in matters that have nothing to do with you or your nation. If you cannot prove TBE is what he claims to be when asked in a public forum, we will let aboriginal people know the truth, that he is a black fraud trying to impersonate an Indian. I urge all members of this group to inform your people, your First Nations leaders and elders, all gatherings and pow wows, any forum or group you belong to, parents warn your children about this man and his cult (His "messiah" is in prison for life for molesting children), warn spiritual leaders and chiefs that this man TBE is a fraud and is hater of indigenous people and a racist. The truth is a fraud's worst enemy, and the more people know the truth the less likely they are to be victims.
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1 ....your lineage proof (with Dawes Comm numbers,etc.)
2. For those of you in here that have accused Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle as being a (a)"Black Supremest" and (b)anti-native, or saying that he said he is (c)"full-blooded" Metis. If he was (a) he wouldn't be Co-Chairman of so many different tribes (he never said he was one of those within all of those tribes!)
(b) he wouldn't be Co-Chairman of the Native American Reconciliation Campaign....
3. Lets be real here, in my opinion David R. is angry (no, livid) that the Chief wanted to include all Aboriginal Tribes and peoples in assisting the nuclear power plant, to follow the laws by informing all of the tribal groups. David R. is against both the power plant and all of the tribes being represented in the informational process.
4. Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagles tribe has always been known as the Neutrals because of their insight to listen to the needs of the people involved and not incite the people, causing them to become short sighted. .
5. Mr. Rubino...is highly respected by legitimate law enforcements and they consider him a friend. There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Mr. Rubino is linked to any illegal activities, alleged or otherwise. I went to the link you posted and did not find this "drug bust" information. I ask that you direct me to exact place on GoErie.com that you saw this untrue statement. If it is not from a law enforcement source, then it is just jibberish and should be totally disregarded, you should know better than that.
1. Hopson keeps asking for this from myself, Don, and Nikki. Doesn't she know the Dawes Commission only registered members of the Five Tribes? And not even all them, successfully. Obviously not.
2a. Johnson is not a chief at all, and not of ANY actual tribe. The EMBT are not an actual one, and those other 29 supposed tribes he has never even named all of them that I can find. A few of these groups were named. They're Freedmen heritage groups.
2b. The so called Native American Reconciliation Campaign has no Native people in it. It's another Freedmen group.
3. Obviously Johnson, Hopson, and Rubino support the power plant, while the actual NDNs oppose it. Nice of Hopson to confirm that. Johnson's part is to be a professional token, someone they can claim represents some of the NDNs.
It should indicate the depth of NDN opposition to the power plant that the pro power plant people had to go to an imposter to find someone to pose as one of their Native supporters.
4. Oh brother. Ms. Hopson, the Eries and the Neutrals were NOT the same tribe. The Neutrals were a confederation of villages that included people from several tribes.
5. The evidence against Rubino includes the testimony in court, under oath, by a retired federal agent.
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Its pretty clear that TBE and his associates are not telling the truth about anything. TBE is NOT an Indian,he is a black American and is trying to con white people and governments. What he is doing is wrong and criminal, as educatedindio has pointed out, to use false information to gain status is a federal felony. That is exactly what TBE is trying to do,and Rubino seeks to profit from his relationship with TBE. Hopson is just a white new ager who would probably believe anything! Unless she or TBE can produce any proof of his lineage, then he is a FRAUD.
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This article defines who is and who is NOT an Indian in the US. How does TBE qualify as an "Indian". Show us proof that he has 1/8 documented Indian blood in any tribe that is recognised by any government...
"Who is an Indian?"
Osiyo! (hello) 'n Osda Sunalei (Good Morning), I've decided to write this new diary, in the attempt to clear up any misconceptions, and/or misinformation imparted on this blog site regarding this question and obviously an issue with some others. My intention is to impart the truth of the matter regarding who is Native American/Indian? Hopefully, this will clear up any and all misconceptions and misinformation, and/or opinions on the topic by revealing the truth of how things are determined on and in Indian Country (USA)........
Now, there is no single definition of the term Indian. Determining who is an Native American / Indian can be difficult, even controversial. For example, people who have one-eighth Native Indian blood and seven-eighth Caucasian, Negro, and Hispanic blood may call themselves Indian, but other people might disagree with that characterization. The term Native American Indian, can be defined in either an ethnological (racial) or in a legal sense. Native Americans / Indians are a distinct race of peoples, as are Caucasians, Negroes, and Mongolian. However, neither in an ethnological nor legal sense is there a universally accepted method of determining who is an Indian. Each government - Tribal, State, and Federal determines who is Indian for the purposes of that government's laws and programs. This can result in someone being an Indian under Tribal Law but not under Federal Law, under Federal Law but not under Tribal Law.
For some programs, anyone of Indian descent is eligible to participate. For other programs, the applicant must have a minimum blood quantum ( often one-fourth Indian blood), and still other programs allow all members of federally recognized Indian Tribes to qualify, regardless of how these tribes have defined the term. As a result of these different standards, the same person may qualify as an Indian for one program but not for another, ( this is known fact).
With that being all said, allow me to explain further the common practice amongst Native Tribes here in the USA in regards to tribal membership: Each Native American / Indian Tribe, has eligibility requirements for membership. Many tribes require that a person have at least one-fourth Indian blood to be enrolled, but other tribes less. To become enrolled in some tribes the applicant need only be descended from someone listed on the tribes membership roll. Fact--Native American / Indian Tribes, have the authority to determine who is an Indian for tribal purpose's, but not for State or Federal purposes.
Thus, when the federal government distributes federal money to, or creates programs for tribal members, it determines who is eligible, and can ignore the tribe's membership list and adopt a different standard. Fact--To be considered an Native American / Indian for federal purposes, an individual must have some Indian blood. Consequently, a non- Indian adopted into an Indian Tribe cannot be considered an Indian under Federal Law.
So, the question that comes to bear is, "Who controls tribal membership : the tribes or the federal government?". The answer is, actually they both do. Native American Indian Tribes determine tribal membership for tribal purposes (such as deciding who is eligible to enroll in the tribe), and the federal government determines tribal membership for federal purposes ( such as deciding which tribal members qualify for federal education scholarships andor federally funded medical benefits). As with all Federal recognized tribes, Congress can limit tribes in their own enrollment policies, but Congress rarely has done this.
In closing, this brings me to point out the obvious and that is this; Fact- not one Native American / Indian Tribe or organization has the right nor the authority to determine who's Native/Indian, nor who's a tribe or not. They do not have authority to tell another tribe how to exercise their membership policies as it has been explained earlier on in this diary. The Tribes have the inherent authority to determine who can join the tribe, If a tribe lost this power, they would not control their future. Tribal authority to determine membership includes the power to disenroll (take membership away from) a person. It also includes the right to adopt persons into the tribe which benefits of membership they will have. A tribe's ability to determine its membership lies at the very core of tribal self- determination. There is perhaps no greater intrusion upon tribal sovereignty than to interfere with a sovereign tribe's membership determination policies.
No tribe has the right, nor authority to dictate to another tribe on its tribal policies on who they have determined to be Indian for the purposes of their tribal membership or sovereignty. Not one tribe has the right nor authority to impose questions in regards to their tribal membership rolls or question their tribal by-laws, it is not their place to do so and its as simple as that, because that is an intrusion on the tribal sovereignty and tribal business. The bottom line is this, in Indian Country (USA), its common place to determine " who is Native/Indian" by the following : One must have Native/Indian blood one-fourth or more. One must be recognized as Native/Indian by a Native/Indian community. One must be able to trace one's ancestry back to a descendant of a Native American/Indian Tribe. These are the qualifiers that have been used, and used today for determining who is Indian by the Native community as a whole. This is also based upon Federal law as well.
I hope that I've cleared up any and all misconceptions that people have on this subject matter. "Wado/Wanishi"...... " Ah-nah-gee-ss-dee Nahs-squah Oo-ney tlah-nuh-he" (Go with God)......Chief Ross
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No Don, she's not Rubino's servant directly. She's Johnson's errand girl. And Johnson is an errand boy for Rubino. Johnson is a useful (potentially well paid) puppet, someone who can be used to undermine NDN opposition to nuclear power plants, give him a useful stooge by claiming to represent two minorities instead of one, etc. And possibly even give Rubino an inside track on the fantasy of the EMBT someday becoming a recognized tribe and getting its own casino. But the BIA recognition branch is not that stupid. They will never become a recognized tribe. It's a delusion on the part of all three.
But clear thinking is not their strong point. Conspiracy thinking is.
Believing that the slave trade across the Atlantic never happened, Holocaust Denial on a grand scale.
Believing that millions of NDNs are not NDNs and that somehow Africans are.
Believing that shouting "YOU prove who you are!" over and over as Hopson has done somehow will distract people from their lies, their racism, their attempts to undermine the sovereignty of actual tribes.
Hopson knows who I am. So does Rubino. And presumably so does Johnson. Same is true with who Don is. I haven't hidden who I am in ten years of being with NAFPS. That they lie and pretend I do is a very silly and transparent tactic.
And no, Ms. Hopson. I will not insult the memory of a great leader by calling Johnson a name he has no right to. Johnson should apologize to the Shawnee people and change his name back. Paying money to get your name changed does not give him the moral right to take that name. If you or he don't understand that, you only show how little both of you know or understand about actual NDN people. If you ignore the insult he carries out by taking that name, you once again show your contempt for actual NDN people.
I teach my students about the danger of conspiracy thinking. Mainly, it's such a simple minded way of looking at things it blinds you to inconvenient facts.
Here's a huge inconvenient fact that Hopson, Johnson, and Rubino have all ignored:
Fraud is a serious crime, a felony you can do hard time for. Using fraudulent genealogy claims to try and get recognized as a tribe can get you FBI investigations, and has gotten would be phony "chiefs" sent to prison. If you doubt me, look it up.
Choose your association carefully, Ms. Hopson. Potentially you (and Rubino) could also face charges for aiding Johnson.
And let me end this on a humorous note:
Apparently you haven't noticed that....
...since Johnson (and other believers in Moorish Science, Nuwaubians, Washitaws, etc) claim Africans are the true American Indians...
...Johnson and the other EMBT do not believe you are American Indian either. ;D
This is TBE claim to being "Indian"...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxzS3JDNIDk&feature=PlayList&p=76B8386C7BD16F50&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=35
These people make outrageous claims and even claim scientific evidence, yet no reputable scientists support them publically. The evidence they cite has all been prove to be fabricated or false. These are just another black supremacist cult, and TBE is one of their leaders. In examining the so called Erie tribe membership list I found almost all had Islamic names. The Washitaw use Islamic names and even claim to have been Muslims centuries before Mohammed was born. Many black people with little education and strong anti white prejudices join these cults, so TBE is nothing new. He's just another black racist demogogue trying to make a fast buck. In the words of P.T. Barnum, "there's a sucker born everyday", and I think that TBE has found his.
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No Don, she's not Rubino's servant directly. She's Johnson's errand girl. And Johnson is an errand boy for Rubino. Johnson is a useful (potentially well paid) puppet, someone who can be used to undermine NDN opposition to nuclear power plants, give him a useful stooge by claiming to represent two minorities instead of one, etc. And possibly even give Rubino an inside track on the fantasy of the EMBT someday becoming a recognized tribe and getting its own casino. But the BIA recognition branch is not that stupid. They will never become a recognized tribe. It's a delusion on the part of all three.
But clear thinking is not their strong point. Conspiracy thinking is.
Believing that the slave trade across the Atlantic never happened, Holocaust Denial on a grand scale.
Believing that millions of NDNs are not NDNs and that somehow Africans are.
Believing that shouting "YOU prove who you are!" over and over as Hopson has done somehow will distract people from their lies, their racism, their attempts to undermine the sovereignty of actual tribes.
Hopson knows who I am. So does Rubino. And presumably so does Johnson. Same is true with who Don is. I haven't hidden who I am in ten years of being with NAFPS. That they lie and pretend I do is a very silly and transparent tactic.
And no, Ms. Hopson. I will not insult the memory of a great leader by calling Johnson a name he has no right to. Johnson should apologize to the Shawnee people and change his name back. Paying money to get your name changed does not give him the moral right to take that name. If you or he don't understand that, you only show how little both of you know or understand about actual NDN people. If you ignore the insult he carries out by taking that name, you once again show your contempt for actual NDN people.
I teach my students about the danger of conspiracy thinking. Mainly, it's such a simple minded way of looking at things it blinds you to inconvenient facts.
Here's a huge inconvenient fact that Hopson, Johnson, and Rubino have all ignored:
Fraud is a serious crime, a felony you can do hard time for. Using fraudulent genealogy claims to try and get recognized as a tribe can get you FBI investigations, and has gotten would be phony "chiefs" sent to prison. If you doubt me, look it up.
Choose your association carefully, Ms. Hopson. Potentially you (and Rubino) could also face charges for aiding Johnson.
And let me end this on a humorous note:
Apparently you haven't noticed that....
...since Johnson (and other believers in Moorish Science, Nuwaubians, Washitaws, etc) claim Africans are the true American Indians...
...Johnson and the other EMBT do not believe you are American Indian either. ;D
This is why no real Indian or intelligent non Indian believes that TBE is anything more than a black man trying to defraud the government, black followers (who are all Nation of Islam racists) and Indian people...
Keep this on your side of the 49th, frauds are not welcome in Canada
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, head of The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation today announced the Tribes support and endorsement of Issue 6, the ballot initiative to approve a casino in western Ohio. “The entire State of Ohio is encompassed within our aboriginal lands and these lands, and the people who inhabit them, must continue to thrive physically as well as financially. The passage of Issue 6 is a significant opportunity to insure the fiscal viability of the region and the Tribe as well. We encourage all voters to carefully consider the economic benefits that this bill will provide to the State of Ohio in these troubling economic times when they cast their votes.”, he said.
The members of The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation are the original occupants of a huge area within the United States of America, including Ohio. Proof of their occupancy of Ohio is found in the thousands of mounds they built here, and elsewhere. As a sovereign Native American Indian Tribe the Erie Indians recognize their right to pursue legalized casino gaming as well as other efforts to strengthen the economy of Ohio. “It is apparent that the people of Ohio need a sound economy with good paying jobs to sustain and nourish their families. It is my hope that the Erie Indians can contribute to sustaining excellent jobs in Ohio through our business efforts in construction, fine furniture manufacturing, audio-visual technology, and gaming.”
“Consider that because of the State’s recent economic woes the Governor has been forced to trim $1.7 billion dollars from the biannual budget. This has directly reduced funds for education, public safety forces, and family services. It is also conceivable that Ohio will be forced to make additional cuts in the next biannual budget up to an additional 10% thus reducing funding even further.”
Concerning this Chief Tecumseh stated: “Voters have to make a decision this November and it is an economic one. Are they going to vote against jobs and voluntary revenue for the State, or require the State and Local Governments to raise taxes to fund education, public safety forces, and family services?”
Regarding the opposition to Issue 6 Brown-Eagle questions the motive of those opposed to its passage and whether the citizens of Ohio are their top priority: “ Don’t be deceived, those against Issue 6 are not fighting a battle against gaming, they are fighting to keep Ohio dollars flowing to their out of State Casinos.”
The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation has initiated a number of business ventures including construction, furniture manufacturing, and audio-visual technology. Additionally, they also strive to preserve their Tribal culture and heritage through education, respect, and leadership.
The Erie Indians occupied the area from the Gulf of Mexico north along the Mississippi River to the Great Lakes Region and into Canada. History erroneously records them as being exterminated in the Seventeenth Century following an encounter with the Iroquois
Indians of New York. “Fortunately the history books are wrong.” said Chief Brown-Eagle. “If the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation did not exist, I would not be standing here today offering my Tribe’s assistance to the people of Ohio”.
There is nothing but absolute nonsense here!
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On the info below there is an error in spelling for Newton Johnson's wife whose real name on the roll is Adaline #397 on (Dawes? Roll):
Had written:
His "brickwall" is Leona Butler, his grandmother who died in NY NOT Oklahoma, and his Great-Grandfather, James Newton Johnson is NOT listed on any Indian Rolls. There is a Newton Johnson, but NOT a James Newton Johnson, AND Newton was married to Adelalaide NOT Mary Watts.
Eleanora Butler was Aaron H. Butler's wife's name, then shortened to Nora. However, we do not really need to concern ourselves with ANY of the People on the Indian Rolls (Dawes, Guion Miller) because they are NOT his relatives! Also, his "tribe" consists of his brothers, sister, adopted brothers/ sisters, and DECEASED family members.
(As well as much more found below!)
Also forgot to add the ONE brother of James Oliver Johnson, III who is NOT on his Tribal Roll is:
Deceased brother William Allen Johnson.
AND:
Gregory L. Johnson, his brother who is current president of N.A.A.C.P. Erie Chapter, PA as previously sent with the genealogy of his maternal grandfather Jefferson Davis Myers, the "Bishop" of The Trinity Church of God in Christ, Erie, PA mid/late 1950's black civil rights activist & pastor there for about 40 years!
Also, wanted to mention that the Erie Indian Mound Builders Tribal Nation info added to the Pamphlets for the funeral services for Othello and Chip (James O. Johnson, II) are about 1 space in difference where the name of the Church above would likely have been?
Take a close look at those "Order of Service" pamphlets and the alleged 'obituaries' and the diffference in typeset, etc. spaces, and more.
WHY does everyone on the MYERS side have DAVIS as a middle name? Could this be a Maternal name for his real lines? Leona Davis for example of NY, NY?
Eleanora Butler was Aaron H. Butler's wife's name, then shortened to Nora. However, we do not really need to concern ourselves with ANY of the People on the Indian Rolls (Dawes, Guion Miller) because they are NOT his relatives! Also, his "tribe" consists of his brothers, sister, adopted brothers/ sisters, and DECEASED family members.
His "legal name" is NOT "CHIEF", only "Tecumseh Brown-Eagle", IF his Birth Certificate is valid; also he broke the law by photocopying his Birth Certificate and duplicating it! His Muslim name from his mother's "obituary"/Order of Service is actually mis-spelled! as "Tcumseh (Abdul) Brown-Eagle, (Othellos' son)" It appears that the "obituaries" on both parents have been modified and information added about them: Othello DAVIS Myers Johnson was very active in her community: "instumental in the building of community centers, BOOKER T.WASHINGTON; Martin L. King , and the John F. Kennedy Centers; She served on Numerous Boards of Directors for various agencies" (worked for PA Dept. of Public Welfare); "served as Chairman of the board for the National Alliance of the Mentally Ill" (ill; NAMI) "served as Chairman on The Community of Economic Development Board under the leadership of former mayor, (Lewis J. Tuttle?/illegible reading)"..." Othello was also an Elder for the Erie Indian, Inc.and The Tribal Nation of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders. (one word)"
(What self-respecting African-American would not say "THE REVEREND DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING"; Who would not be proud of having African-American Parents who accomplished so much and helped so many? JOJ,III likely had some control over adding the above Funeral Pamphlet, and could easily have added the info without any questions being asked.)
(The typing except for (parentheses) is exact, including no space between "Inc." and "and" ; also CAPS for emphasis on Booker T. Washington).
Further, on his father's "obituary"/Order of service (James Oliver "CHIP" Johnson") James Oliver Johnson III is named as "Dr. Abdul-Muta' Ali Abdullah Muhammad, D.D." (correct spelling). (there are extra spaces and added in? "He was an Elder for Erie Indian Mound Builders Tribal Nation (different spelling/spacing of name of "tribe"; No name of Church on his pamphlet and interestingly, no mention of the church he belonged to and was Eulogized in by Abdul, which is 'Holy Trinity Church of God in Christ" of Erie, PA which "Bishop Jefferson Davis Myers, father of Othello Davis Myers-Johnson, presided over for over 40 years; where he had so many members in one year that he got the "Small Ike Trophy"; where he was instrumental in helping to stop the "white covenant", which whites had signed stating they would "not sell their homes to a Negro" in the mid-late 1950's... THAT is something to be proud of. Also, Homer Smith and Robin Cooke are lastly named in a seperate typeset before the Christian Prayer).
He is also named as a survivor of "CHIP" along with his WIFE, Linda (Shabazz-Muhammad). Notice that he has a "morality" clause in his "Constitution"; does adultery require a 35 member vote to remove him as "Chief"? (But he doesn't have 35 living members to even vote!)
His tribe consists of HIS family, and adopted brothers and sisters.There are less than 35 members since many of his "Elders" are Deceased yet on his "roll". Interestingly his deceased brother is not on the roll; wouldn't appear "matrilineal"? Not All of his family is involved. Some apparently refuse to leave their real heritage and are proud and instrumental in the community: NAACP.
Much more is revealed by his fraudulent genealogy! More to come!
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A lie is as good as the truth if anyone believes it. I think its clear from the information you provided that TBE is not an Indian at all, and certainly not an Erie chief. Educatedindio is right about trying to pass himself off as an Indian, if he were to try to get a CDIB card he would be charged and convicted of a federal felony.
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Davis, Myers, and Johnson are all "High Yellow" names. These families are streaked with Indian blood.
To be specific. The first Johnson was a "Mulatto" (Rappahannock) slave owner and almost all Johnsons in the U.S. are decendants of him or his slaves, both black and Indian, many among the Nanticoke and Rappahannock. I know. My great great grandmom was a Johnson from Milsboro.
TBE is just too lazy or too embarrassed to do the actual research to find out about his real family history and he is just a pathalogical liar.
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Davis, Myers, and Johnson are all "High Yellow" names. These families are streaked with Indian blood.
To be specific. The first Johnson was a "Mulatto" (Rappahannock) slave owner and almost all Johnsons in the U.S. are decendants of him or his slaves, both black and Indian, many among the Nanticoke and Rappahannock. I know. My great great grandmom was a Johnson from Milsboro.
TBE is just too lazy or too embarrassed to do the actual research to find out about his real family history and he is just a pathalogical liar.
In Abdul's (TBE) case, his genealogy does not connect with anyone of Native blood. He is an African American Muslim. The Johnson that you mention is not in Abdul's genealogy. As there are many Johnson's and it is a common name . To make such a statement is to be ignorant of his true genealogy. And Abdul is also not mixed with Black and Native. There is no native blood in him whatsoever!
He needs to be happy with who he is and that is Black!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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From: Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com>
Subject: The Project Arnie Cooper to handle class II gaming
To: tecumseh@eriemoundbuilders.com
Date: Saturday, December 1, 2007, 10:11 PM
Reply Requested
December 1, 2007
Concerned Parties
We need to take immediate steps to have something tangible by the year end. Its time to put everything on the table.
First, if anyone wants to sell us anything it must be approved by Larry Hiwiller 814-397-2733 who will bring the for sale item to the Tribal Economic Developer Harold Atkinson 814-504-4890 that is a check to see if it will benefit the Tribe and not only the seller.
Second, our next process will be to have our Legal Specialist Eric Rohde 814-454-5109 review the sale or project for legalities.
Third, is financing we have options available. Example: Arnie Cooper 716-378-7135 we are waiting until this Thursday December 6, 2007 to receive the letter of commitment that if we secure the 60 acres in Geneva-on-the-Lake his group will finance, build and or manage a Water Park (cash cow). Other Tribal members are looking to Minorities and other financing that could eliminate majority of this group out of the projects or you will have to deal with an unknown who will step up to the plate with the financing to do a project and wonder why you have not done the same and what is your purpose with the group and why they meaning us should have you around on their nickel.
Bottom line is if you don’t produce and provide us with empty promises your ass will be sitting on the sidelines if you’re still on this team. The goal is for each of you to be in your own company to be in ownership of something involving the Tribal team one example being t-shirts, we should be able to sell more t-shirts than the Browns, Steelers and Panthers because our logo is better than theirs in fact it has all of their colors in it. Let’s get this “bus” moving.
Existing opportunities/your future with us:
60 acres for the Water Park and Hotel we have a commitment from unnamed investors that if Arnie Cooper secures the letter of commitment previously discussed the funds will be transferred to an account that was opened yesterday November 30, 2007 for that purpose. Mr. John Cassell 440-428-3600 has the escrow account all ready for the property transfer into the Tribe’s name. You all need to find out what is the hold up and fix it promptly!
Conneaut Lake Park is “swimming with the fishes” due to their ignorance we may pick them up after they go thru utter financial ruin. They have announced a first week in December deadline to submit a proposal. We will look and see with them.
Cassmills Wes Radov 814-440-7699 (he lost his Mother and still met with me to get it done) and myself have submitted the requested numbers to Rich Lininger 724-342-3550 and we Tribal members hand delivered the Tribal background packet to Rich. Rich and Joe H, I need a timeline from you both by the close of business Thursday December 6, 2007 as to when you will close on the Nursery. The Nursery has future benefits of our own food production and will also be our main campus among other things.
Conneaut Golf Course it is an item for sale and Larry Hiwiller will evaluate the property. I strongly feel that the Conneaut Golf Course will have more value if the other team members see it and realize it is in the same county as the Water Park . We can have a shuttle to and from the Waterpark Hotel until a hotel/bingo slot parlor is built across the street on the land that is part of the golf course. Do I have to say more or should I mention it is on the south side of the street on the shoreline of Lake Erie , lakefront property with a 9-hole golf course. Let’s see lakefront property, golf, high stakes bingo, slots and table games that already exist in Ohio . If I have to tell you the opportunities of this property save me and yourself the time and remove yourself from the projects.
On the Table now:
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle Erie Indian Moundbuilders Development Corporation:
Governmental, Minority Hospitality Furniture and Fixtures working out the paperwork to provide to Larry and Eric.
Shenango Valley Project: Extremely promising and cooperative of all of the projects we want this Shenango Valley Project, 60 Acres and (a Mule/cash cow) Waterpark Hotel and the Cassmills project done in that order immediately. Shenango Valley project needs a legal opinion for gaming in Pennsylvania and Ohio from an Legal Entity what is at stake here is 2 solid brick ready to go buildings (all we have to do is switch the utilities into our name) in a metropolitan area each building with 25,000 square feet and 3 floors apiece more than ample parking local and regional cooperation.
Erie Renewable Energy an economic opportunity in which we are current active participants as a Tribal Entity. Any inquiries should be directed to me the Chief. If you don’t want to work with them/us we feel you, all I have to say is “see ya”. Erie Renewable Energy and the Furniture are current and future economic opportunities that have no ceilings.
Recognition by the Six Nations Confederacy of the Grand River Territory we are in the process of being acknowledge as the builders of the mounds in Canada more particularly the mounds in metropolitan Toronto . The Six Nations Confederacy of the Grand River Territory is meeting at the writing of this letter and we have a meeting/seminar scheduled for December 17, 2007, 9am to 3pm in Toronto .
What we need to do:
1) Chief provide Larry and Eric with Tribal packets for investor opportunities and evaluation. Provide an ongoing bases any and all material for a legal opinion concerning current and future gaming opportunities in Ohio , Pennsylvania and New York State .
2) Larry secure commitment letter from Arnie Cooper by the close of business on Thursday December 6, 2007.
3) Eric and Larry secure closing information about 180 + acres of property we previously discussed.
a. We need legal opinion suggest you contacting Tom Tureen 207-773-7166 and John Pebbles 916-441-2700 and 202-256-1971 Gary Rotstein Pittsburgh Post Gazette January 6, 2006 “A tribe with established land but lacking state cooperation can operate limited gambling operations short of full-scale casinos -- such as bingo halls with slot machines that are lesser versions of Vegas-style slots…” about Indian Tribes not federal or state recognized gaming opportunities if they own land in Pennsylvania and or Ohio.
b. Contact Peter Speaks for our MBO Status and get whatever you need from Joe Caprino, Rich Lininger and Joe H to show that we are doing business and by all means necessary without any hesitation mental reservation or self-evasion of mind whatsoever to have that status affirmed by the close of business December 10, 2007.
4) Rich Lininger and Joe H, obtain and secure a decision concerning Cassmills by the close of business on Thursday December 6, 2007. This property is directly tied to the timing of the purchase of Conneaut Golf Course. I know the name of the property just not disclosing it here and now.
Rich Lininger set up meeting with the political figure we discussed Monday December 3, 2007 in the afternoon.
5) Joe Caprino 716-763-2134 assist us in paperwork for furniture opportunities coordinate with Eric and Larry all of our business opportunities including financing and furniture venture corporate and organizational structure including but not limited to order taking, shipment, payment processing, etc.
I thank you in advance for your prompt cooperation and reply concerning these matters
Sincerely,
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Chief
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Davis, Myers, and Johnson are all "High Yellow" names. These families are streaked with Indian blood.
To be specific. The first Johnson was a "Mulatto" (Rappahannock) slave owner and almost all Johnsons in the U.S. are decendants of him or his slaves, both black and Indian, many among the Nanticoke and Rappahannock. I know. My great great grandmom was a Johnson from Milsboro.
TBE is just too lazy or too embarrassed to do the actual research to find out about his real family history and he is just a pathalogical liar.
Johnson is the second most common last name in the US and 1 of 3 black people have the surname Johnson. Yes there are Indian people with the same last name, but that is hardly proof of Indian ancestry. I lived in Delaware and know the Nanticoke people of Dagsboro, have been to their pow wows an museum. I can also say that DNA tests and research has indicated that although almost every mixed black family claims to have an Indian ancestor in reality the numbers who do are very small, probably less than 10%. The family myths and stories simply don't stand up to DNA analysis. We have never seen TBE's DNA test results, perhaps because they would prove that he is what he appears to be, a black man.
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This is a link to Lost Feathers, a black Indian site that has all of the myths that TBE bases his claims on...
http://members.tripod.com/pointingbird/lostfeatherintl/id35.htm
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This is a link to Lost Feathers, a black Indian site that has all of the myths that TBE bases his claims on...
http://members.tripod.com/pointingbird/lostfeatherintl/id35.htm
I know all about it. I've been threatened by many of them for mocking them constantly. They can't play the race card with me cause I'm half Cheswold Nanticoke. Ooooh they tried though... :D
I'm not saying this guy is Indian. I think he's a liar and a fraud. I'm just stating what I know about the Nanticoke and Rappahannock Johnsons
DNA tests are only maternal lines and with inbreeding, like with the Nanticoke they give some funky results.
If you are "old line" African American though. You probably have a Indian ancestor somewhere. That is how the slave trade and "free communities of color" worked.
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The fact is that yes some black folks from the eastern US and the southeast do have some Indian blood, but it is distant and a small amount. Those folks usually have identifed themselves as light skinned black or mulatto for generations until it became popular and profitable to identify with distant Indian ancestors. Yes there was significant race mixing in colonial America, and Indians were enslaved along with black Africans, and indentured whites. The best source of information on that period of American history is Red, Black and White: The Peopling of Colonial America, by Gary B. Nash. The fact is, DNA can identify Indian blood lines means that many black people who claimed to have discernible blood have been proven not to. Some black mixed Indians do have sufficient blood to enroll in their nations, however, no nations accept the Washitaw/Nuwaubian "theories" as evidence of Indian blood. TBE tries to play on both sides, a black Nuwaubian Muslim to blacks, and a new ager to white new agers. He still makes money selling memberships to his "tribe" ($25.00 US) which probably includes a custom made genealogy, like his. Every black American could make the same claims as TBE of that was accepted by Indian/aboriginal people. That would make Chief TBE very wealthy (25.00 x 40,000,000) that would put TBE up there with Oprah. The real issue is not just TBE and his group, but all the others and others still to come, who prey on black people's compulsion to find a true identity and their religious fervour.
I believe that Niiki has done a great job of connecting all the dots showing the real master plan, educatedindian has done an excellent job of refuting TBE's ridiculous genealogical claims, I have tried to present information from my files on all of the black Indian cults and their ties to TBE. Now its up to folks to put the word out on TBE and his fellow frauds who DO play and live by, the race card, and the parasites who live off them, out to folks on and off the internet. The best weapon against frauds is an informed public, so let's keep our public informed...
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The real issue is not just TBE and his group, but all the others and others still to come, who prey on black people's compulsion to find a true identity and their religious fervour.
I believe that Niiki has done a great job of connecting all the dots showing the real master plan, educatedindian has done an excellent job of refuting TBE's ridiculous genealogical claims, I have tried to present information from my files on all of the black Indian cults and their ties to TBE. Now its up to folks to put the word out on TBE and his fellow frauds who DO play and live by, the race card, and the parasites who live off them, out to folks on and off the internet. The best weapon against frauds is an informed public, so let's keep our public informed...
Amen to that. I've been refuting these "Cherokees" with Nuwabian ties in the Delaware Valley for a long time.
TBE needs a nice jail cell. I've said that for years.
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Johnson certainly does not belong on the Erie Human Rights Commission, not with such openly racist views, and with his denial of the slave trade as bad as someone Jewish claiming the Holocaust never happened. Has anyone contacted them? Has anyone brought this up in the local papers in Erie, or talked to reporters and urged an expose of him?
Has anyone contacted the local agencies involved in approving this gaming project? If he's claiming to potential investors it's possible for the EMBT to get a casino, that's pretty clear cut fraud, making false claims for a project that has no hope of ever being aproved. Short of giving so much in contributions that politicians at the federal level overlook the lies about EMBT being NDN and sidestep the BIA recognition branch, they will never get recognition. I suppose it's possible they (or Rubino and others) will try for a casino, and then simply use the EMBT for window dressing to claim it's NDN owned or run.
If anyone has contact information for these agencies, newspapers, reporters, etc, please post. And law enforcement contacts. If you'd prefer, send by IM to those interested.
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Hopson finally tried to send some of the alleged proof of Johnson's claims. Unfortunately the documents didn't come through, and I urged her to resend them. She also had some other things to say, which I responded to. First is her email, followed by my response.
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SOME OF CHIEF TECUMSEH BROWN-EAGLES PROOF FILE
Attached are the following: Birth Certificate "Tecumseh Brown-Eagle"; Parents Death Certificates; Gannon Univ
Article; Shriner Certificate;
Naconna, you know very well yourself from living in PA. that having the PA. Government "alter or falsify" documents is not something you are able to do by "knowing the right person or bribing someone", as Niiki tried to convince others of. They have strict guidelines, and require a lot of verification as do many states. These documents are legal, if you still have a question as to their validation then we suggest you contact the issuer for confirmation. As a matter of fact, we invite you to contact any and all that .........one or all three of you have suggested in the forum, including the FBI.
NOTE: You will see as you read the Gannon University Newspaper article that it was a Catholic Priest that peaked the Chief's interest in Islam. NOT.... something he learned in prison as Niiki posted!
We feel the method you use to seek the "truth" is not the Native way. You would have been able to receive this information (and more) much earlier if you had initially contacted Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle personally. Upon giving him proof of yourselves and why you are questioning him, there would have been no issue at all. To allow someone who uses their own personal agenda to incite such "character defamation" and to waste all of our time, should never be acceptable.
The information posted by Niiki regarding roll numbers, etc. etc. is inaccurate, the research on the Chief's lineage was extensive and not completed with just information taken from online. eg. James Newton Johnson is Newton Johnson, just because only part of his name was on the rolls means nothing. The rolls have never claimed to be exact, many errors were made. Both of his parents, all four of his grandparents and all 8 of his great-grandparents, and on and on..... were NAI. NOTE: Obituaries, Notification of Death etc., are not printed nor keyed by family members. For Niiki to pick apart something like that is incredulous.
Your misinformation regarding Greg Rubino is also completely wrong. As he stated "he has never been in trouble with the law".
The rest of the Chief's information will be posted on his website in the near future, including his lineage and Roll numbers. Everything he claims is the absolute truth and.... he has nothing, nothing to hide, he is an open book, just as Greg Rubino is.
We request from you both your information and legal proof of your background, as well as Niiki's email address and information.
We also request a public apology from all three of you.
ps. THIS makes absolutely no sense to me........... first..... one or all three of you claim that Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is a "Black Supremest", then pretty much in the next statement..... one or all three of you say "he should accept that he is black". I would think that a "Black Supremest" would be pushing the fact he is black down peoples throats so to speak. A "Black Supremest" would not claime to be anything other than black. eg. In comparison it would be the same as stating that a member of the KKK should stop claiming he is something else and should accept the fact that he is white. Wouldn't a member of the KKK state that he IS none other than white???
Birth Certif TBE.jpg
TBE Mothers DEATH CERTIF.jpg
TBE Fathers DEATH CERTIF.jpg
GANNON PAPER KARATE ARTICLE large print.jpg
SHRINERS Certificate.jpg
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Hello Ms. Hopson,
As you can see below, absolutely none of your documents came through successfully. They are not viewable.
You may resend them as attachments if you wish.
I also urge all of you to do better research so you quit continually making yourselves look foolish. Don Nakonna's actual name is not Lewis Tonne. I have no idea where you got that name, since his actual name is, like mine, a matter of public record he has never hidden. He also does not live in Pennsylania. I will forward this email to him.
Who I am is a matter of public record and I have never hidden it. Mr. Johnson is actually the first New Age exploiter to ever have trouble finding out information on me.
Though, to be clearer, much of what you, Ms. Hopson, have found on me is fairly obvious lies and libel from other New Age exploiters (like John Lekay) and other racists (like David Yeagley). That's why your libel was removed from the thread, and part of why you were partially banned. Should you show you can grow up and behave ethically, you would be welcome to post again. We at NAFPS have no problem with giving exploiters and their supporters enough rope to hang themselves.
Mr. Johnson is also welcome to come and speak on his own behalf. That he does not, and always sends you, seems rather cowardly, not to mention condescending and sexist towards you Ms. Hopson.
And it should be fairly obvious to all of you that a number of Six Nations people have long been in contact with law enforcement over Mr. Johnson's fraud.
You also do yourselves no favor by lying yet again. Mr. Rubino has a long history of dealing with the FBI. That's a matter of public record, stated in open court by a retired FBI agent under oath. The only question is if Mr. Rubino has been shielded from prosecution for possibly being an informant.
Finally, the call for an apology is ridiculous and certainly undeserved. I have done nothing wrong. I will let Don and Nikki speak for themselves, but I'd guess their responses will be the same.
In the strongest terms, I urge the following:
You, Ms. Hopson, to apologize for libel, lies, spamming, personal attacks, and other abusive behavior on the forum and for your support of a fraud, imposter, and racist, namely Mr. Johnson.
Mr. Rubino to apologize for working with and promoting a fraud and racist, namely Mr. Johnson, and for working to undermine American Indian tribal sovereignty by working with Johnson, all done for hoped for profits that will almost certainly never come.
Mr. Johnson to apologize for:
1, His abuse and threats towards Six Nations elders
2. His passing off another's genealogy as his own
3. Fabricating falsehoods about American Indian, Six Nations, and Erie history
4. Taking a name he no right to, Tecumseh. He should legally change his name back to a non-Native one.
5. His racism towards American Indians for promoting the false Moorish Science/Nuwaubian/Washitaw conspiracy theories claiming that Africans are the true Natives.
6. His self hating racism towards Blacks for denying the existence of the Atlantic slave trade.
7. Johnson should also cease all efforts towards obtaining tribal recognition and a casino by fraud, not only for it being unethical, but simply to keep himself out of prison.
Your email and my response will be forwarded to all parties involved.
It will also be posted online for all to see.
Should you choose to resend the documents, they will remain confidential as you requested earlier. In more than ten years, NAFPS has never broken a promise of confidentiality.
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PA birth certificates do not state race, I know, I'm looking at mine right now, and it lists date of birth, county, name and sex. So that is no proof anything, certainly not race of ethnicity. In other words, nothing to indicate that TBE or his parents have any Indian blood. What is the basis of his claim to having Indian blood, or being a chief of a tribe that no longer exists. Educatedindian, Niiki and myself have provided enough proof that TBE is a liar and a fraud. Let us say, that anyone who sells memberships in a non existant, no recognised tribe is a fraud. Anyone is follows a fraud is either a victim or also a fraud.
As to his racism, is he or is he not a member of the Nation of Islam, does he or does he not believe in the "evil scientist Jacov" inventing the "white devils", does he not believe that he is descended from the so called "ancient ones". Please, you have been duped, Ms. Hopkins. You are just one very naive white person, who hasn't got a clue or any concept of reality. Perhaps, TBE will take you back to his moe planet the next time he goes to Rizq.
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PA birth certificates do not state race, I know, I'm looking at mine right now, and it lists date of birth, county, name and sex. So that is no proof anything, certainly not race of ethnicity. In other words, nothing to indicate that TBE or his parents have any Indian blood. What is the basis of his claim to having Indian blood, or being a chief of a tribe that no longer exists. Educatedindian, Niiki and myself have provided enough proof that TBE is a liar and a fraud. Let us say, that anyone who sells memberships in a non existant, no recognised tribe is a fraud. Anyone is follows a fraud is either a victim or also a fraud.
As to his racism, is he or is he not a member of the Nation of Islam, does he or does he not believe in the "evil scientist Jacov" inventing the "white devils", does he not believe that he is descended from the so called "ancient ones". Please, you have been duped, Ms. Hopkins. You are just one very naive white person, who hasn't got a clue or any concept of reality. Perhaps, TBE will take you back to his moe planet the next time he goes to Rizq.
Ms. Hopson has sent me copies of TBE's parents death certificates which list their race (s) as American Indian. I believe that those documents have been altered. I will defer to educatedindian who has experience with documents and authentification. Unless TBE has a CDIB card or is a member of a recognised tribe or nation, he is not an Indian, certainly not base on his falsified geneaology or Washitaw/Nuwaubian mythology. Ms. Hopson do not send me any more emails, I have blocked your address. If you or TBE has something to present, bring to the forum.
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Birth and death certificates are notoriously INaccurate when it comes to Natives. Some states wouldn't list Natives at all, some it was based on what the person reporting assumed, or what a family member said. Sometimes Blacks and Indians would each claim to be the other hoping to get lesser discrimination, especially true in the northeast US. At best it might indicate what Johnson's parents told him, or what they in turn had heard from family.
The scan of Johnson's birth certificate that Hopson sent me has his birth name as Tecumseh Brown Eagle, not James Oliver Johnson III. Obviously it's not the original, so it's useless. In fact it was issued only a month ago. So when Hopson and Johnson were claiming to have so much proof many months ago, they were lying.
And the "proof" is no such thing. No race listed for Johnson. Which itself is very strange. I suppose Hopson or Johnson's defense will be that the legal name change altered the name and everything else is the same as the original. In the year Johnson was born most states listed race on birth certificates.
The alleged death certificate of his mother is stranger. It lists Johnson as "informant" indicating he provided the information. Again, this makes it useless since he's the source of information on the document. There's not even a place to indicate "informant" on the father's death certificate. Obviously either the forms used are different, the county switched to newer ones, or one of the documents may be false.
Hopson also sent an old Nov 6 1989 article where Johnson goes by the name Abdul and claims to the reporter to be training for the 1990 Olympics. A lot of it's blurred and smeared, but the end of the article is a promo for a martial arts school. This suggests that the reporter just passed along Johnson's promo materials of his school for the articles. Not of much use other than for repeating what Johnson has claimed.
Finally, Hopson sent a supposed certificate from the Shriners you would have to see to believe. I suppose they want us to believe he's a Mason of the highest rank based on this? It shows less than six years membership, since July 2003.
If this is the caliber of supposed "proof" they have....In any case, here's a further reply and set of excuses from Hopson.
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I am not even going to bother addressing anything you have written here other than to say "I have allowed you all to waste too much of my time. Which is the reason the Chief has not replied to any of this. He has his people to take care for. Note: He NEVER asked me to reply to any of you EVER at any time, this I did of my own accord, big mistake.... just wasted time. Your numbers 1 to 7 are all WRONG!!
We have requested your real name, not wasting more time looking. If you are sooo interested go to the EIMBTN office and read the 20,000 or more documents.
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Intertesting the number of documents keeps changing, and how their claims keep changing. In an earlier post, Hopson claimed that Johnson had tried to join the forum several times.
...and how incompetent they are at research. They must be the only ones here who can't find my name, or Don's.
And here's something interesting. Johnson has been a member of NAFPS for two years, joined way back in March 2007. This was long before we ever began posting on him .
But he's never posted, not even to defend himself. I wonder if he's lied to Hopson about that for some reason, or if Hopson is the one lying?
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And here's something interesting. Johnson has been a member of NAFPS for two years, joined way back in March 2007. This was long before we ever began posting on him .
But he's never posted, not even to defend himself. I wonder if he's lied to Hopson about that for some reason, or if Hopson is the one lying?
Johnson & Hopson are both liars!!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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TBE must be insane if he believed anyone who could read would believe those documents. He was not born "Tecumseh Brown Eagle" so that was altered, his birth certificate would be in his birth name, even if you change your name legally you cannot change your birth certificate. Also race is not listed on PA birth certificates. His parents death certificates are also altered, even the font is different for the words "American Indian". If he does have authentic documentation, why doesn't he have a CDIB, as he claims to be 'pure' blood Indian, and oh yeah (I love this) 'pure blood' Metis. BTW there are groups or people claiming to be Metis in the US who have nothing to do with the Metis people who are recognised in Canada, as a mixed blood indigenous people. My question to Hopson and TBE is now that you have been exposed, what is your agenda? You will be discredited in any association you try to make with aboriginal Canadians, you have been disavowed by the Mohawk and Six Nations people. Clearly aboriginal people don't accept anything you say you are, so what are you going to do next. ???
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I just discovered this SciFi group in Wisconsin that is associated with TBE. If these people are real or even from this planet, please phone ET...
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/scificafe.html
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I should add to what Don said, Johnson's mother's death certificate has a lot of strange items. There are three different font sizes used to type in the information. "American Indian" under "Race" is distinct from the others. There are at least three different handwritings on the form, not just for signatures but for handwritten information where it's otherwise typed. It's possible I suppose that the form went through a number of different people and even different agencies, but that multiplies the possibilities of someone making a mistake. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's definitely altered, but it does look extremely suspicious. The father's death certificate is more consistent, two font sizes and only one handwriting, and none of the information is written in by hand.
Why the huge difference, esp since they died in the same county not too many years apart? If Johnson or Hopson have an explanation, I'd like to hear it. And I'm certain we'll hear from them again. Hopson sent me what she claims is Johnson's original birth certificate. I'll ask for her permission to forward it to Don, though I wouldn't be surprised if we get more excuses.
For someone who claims to not care what we think, they're going to a lot of effort. A final note: After all the elaborate demands about privacy and promises to keep information confidential, Hopson says they're going to post everything online at the EMBT site, along with "20,000 documents" supporting their claims. But if these are their strongest docs...
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It is strange that on the birth certificate data posted on both of TBE's parents and grandparents their races were all listed as "Black" not "coloured" as was sometimes done. Had they been listed as "coloured" or "mulatto", there is a possibility of them having some Indian or white ancestry, but they were clearly listed as "black" or with no discernible non African ancestry. Plecker, in Virginia in the '20s listed many Virginia Indians as "colored" or "mulatto", so that he could declare the state to be "Indian free". This meant the extinction of the Virginia tribes. TBE can't claim that happened to his grandparents because they were black!
I have no doubt that those documents were altered, and it would be illegal to enter them into any federal of state agency for authentification. What I would like to know more about is his familial ties to the "Royal families of Europe before 1560". Where did this supposed contact happen, it must have been in Africa, because there were no royal families here then, or does he claim that his ancestors were Spanish colonists who slaughtered the Arawak, Ciboney, Taino and Caribe peoples, before pillaging the mainland. Great family line, conquistadors!
TBE claims to be educated and even a graduate of Gannon University, how can he expect anyone with a basic knowledge of history to believe his fictional family history! He proves the words of P.T. Barnum, "There's a sucker born every minute".
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Here's an interesting piece of news...it isn't TBE, but it's about a man who claimed to be "Chief Soaring Eagle" of the "Sovereign Cherokee Nation" and was operating out of Erie, PA. He's now been prosecuted and plead guilty to fraud and awaiting sentencing.
Similar circumstances, similar area of the country...wonder if TBE got his idea from this guy....
have a read...interesting.
http://indiancountrynews.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6568&Itemid=109
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TBE is not the only fraud out there. TBE invented a tribe, the Erie have not been a tribe since the 17th century. He claims to be Cherokee and Erie as well as a "chief of 39 tribes", but he can't name one!
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I just got an absolutely hysterical email from Hopson. I had trouble opening the doc she claims is Johnson's original birth ceritificate and asked permission to send it to Don. She exploded at the suggestion and absolutely refuses. I think also what set her off was my mentioning Don had found proof on that last site that Johnson is a Binay, and thus tied to the Nuwaubians and Washitaws.
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/scificafe.html
"Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is....
A Member of: Black Indians & Inter Tribal Native American Association"
Links of interest
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=891.0
http://www.riseagain.info/blackturtle.html
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TBE is obviously an African American who denies it. That is called self hatred. Only dysfunctional people of any race suffer from self hatred. Hey folks TBE is a black man, a black Muslim, Washitaw/Nuwaubian, what he is not is an Indian.The documents that I received were obviously altered, as substantiated by educatedindian. He's a fraud, just like his mentors. He was exposed and I trust that members will be on the look for TBE and his groups and will continue to expose him wherever he goes. We have provided irrefutable proof that his genealogy is fabricated, the Mohawk Nation has provided proof that his "tribe" is a sham, and now we have proven that his documentation is falsified.
These groups will continue to grow and spread their lies unless their leaders are challenged and exposed. I have found a group calling itsel inronically 'luv4self_network@yahoogroups.com' where the Nuwaubians are spreading their racist venom. Perhaps if Hopson knew what the Nuwaubians real plans are she would be such a strong supporter of TBE. I've been fighting these people on the internet for over 10 years now, I know and understand what drives these people, I grew up in black communities in the US and have seen these people at work. Yes they are frauds, the worst kind, they sell false identities to vulnerable people, they sell promises. Join our "tribe" and we'll get you casino money, or lifelong welfare, or healthcare. They claim that all black Americans are "indigenous" and therefore entitled to all the lands and "wealth" that goes to "red" Indians. A kind of convuluted logic that in itself fosters racism against Indians.
The fact that some black people, probably about 10%, have some degree of Indian blood, further complicates the issue. Many of those vulnerable black people believe that Indian people got "reparations" and they should have, so they should be able to have casinos etc. I remember seeing an Indian raise objections to the term "black Indian", pointing out that white mixed bloods don't call themselves "white Indians". That poster was told that "black Indians" are the "true Indians", and superior to the weaker "red Indians" who were mixed bloods!
I used to think that these were just religious cults, but now they have evolved into a growth industry, false genealogies, faked DNA, selling names, "tribal memberships and ceremonies are all parts. TBE like Jerry "Eaglefeather" call themselves chiefs of their self created tribes, they both profit from their activities on and off the internet. Educatedindian, Niiki and myself and all the supportive member of NAFPS have done the indigenous people on both sides of the border (formerly the "invisible line"), and all others who may become victims of these frauds as long as we confront TBE and his ilk and continue to expose them for the frauds they are...
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This what TBE and his friends believe in.
From: Amexem INDIGENOUS Aboriginal
> <allpraisesduetothec reator@yahoo. com>
>
>
> Note: The semi-illogical description name of “Black” INDIANS would
> instantly raise a reasonable questionable inquiry as to the
> suggestive possibility of “Yellow” INDIANS, “Blue” INDIANS, “Green”
> INDIANS, “Purple” INDIANS, “Brown” INDIANS, “White” INDIANS, etc.
> Here again, it seems as though the word BLACK is symbolically used
> to negatively refer to the “Highly Sacred” Melanin Hue Pigmentation
> which is known to be prevalent in the various Hue-Peoples worldwide
> (most of them with the default additional characteristics of Wooly
> Hair, Wide Noses, and Thick Lips). Hue-Peoples are the ORIGINAL
> primary default “natural” creations consisting of the HUE-Man, HUE-
> Woman, and HUE-Child (“ HUE ” as in Melanin Hue Pigmentation) .
>
> The Meriam-Webster Dictionary definitions of INDIAN are 1- A native
> or inhabitant of India or of the East Indies; also: a person of
> Indian descent and 2- American Indian.
>
From luv4self_network. There are some very prominent black Americans who belong to the group, including film stars, rappers/musicians, even elected members of Congress and mayors.
>
>
> My civic activity is a National Sovereign Birthright. I encourage
> the complete reformation of ALL Natural Indigenous Aboriginal
> “Melaninated” Hue-Peoples and highly encourage them to proclaim
> their Lawful NATIONALITY and Creator-Given BIRTHRIGHTS. I would
> sincerely hope and pray that the negatively mislabeled “Colored
> Black Negros” currently of North America would especially feel
> compelled to act so they can truly learn to love instead of hate
> and greatly acquire much needed “knowledge of self” and overall
> “identity awareness”. This essential act of performance would
> instantly and immediately result in honoring/re- honoring their own
> Fore-Mothers and Fore-Fathers. Just as other so-called civilized
> nations support and establish institutions to serve and preserve
> their posterity, I recognize that MOORISH Families and MOORISH
> Children need institutions and organizations to serve, preserve,
> and protect the Moorish Nation (which is a highly essential and
> integral part of the overall Hue-Man/Hue- Woman Family of Nations
> under the ONE “Grand-Master” CREATOR).
>
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Birth and death certificates are notoriously INaccurate when it comes to Natives. Some states wouldn't list Natives at all, some it was based on what the person reporting assumed, or what a family member said. Sometimes Blacks and Indians would each claim to be the other hoping to get lesser discrimination, especially true in the northeast US. At best it might indicate what Johnson's parents told him, or what they in turn had heard from family.
The scan of Johnson's birth certificate that Hopson sent me has his birth name as Tecumseh Brown Eagle, not James Oliver Johnson III. Obviously it's not the original, so it's useless. In fact it was issued only a month ago. So when Hopson and Johnson were claiming to have so much proof many months ago, they were lying.
And the "proof" is no such thing. No race listed for Johnson. Which itself is very strange. I suppose Hopson or Johnson's defense will be that the legal name change altered the name and everything else is the same as the original. In the year Johnson was born most states listed race on birth certificates.
The alleged death certificate of his mother is stranger. It lists Johnson as "informant" indicating he provided the information. Again, this makes it useless since he's the source of information on the document. There's not even a place to indicate "informant" on the father's death certificate. Obviously either the forms used are different, the county switched to newer ones, or one of the documents may be false.
Hopson also sent an old Nov 6 1989 article where Johnson goes by the name Abdul and claims to the reporter to be training for the 1990 Olympics. A lot of it's blurred and smeared, but the end of the article is a promo for a martial arts school. This suggests that the reporter just passed along Johnson's promo materials of his school for the articles. Not of much use other than for repeating what Johnson has claimed.
Finally, Hopson sent a supposed certificate from the Shriners you would have to see to believe. I suppose they want us to believe he's a Mason of the highest rank based on this? It shows less than six years membership, since July 2003.
If this is the caliber of supposed "proof" they have....In any case, here's a further reply and set of excuses from Hopson.
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I am not even going to bother addressing anything you have written here other than to say "I have allowed you all to waste too much of my time. Which is the reason the Chief has not replied to any of this. He has his people to take care for. Note: He NEVER asked me to reply to any of you EVER at any time, this I did of my own accord, big mistake.... just wasted time. Your numbers 1 to 7 are all WRONG!!
We have requested your real name, not wasting more time looking. If you are sooo interested go to the EIMBTN office and read the 20,000 or more documents.
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Intertesting the number of documents keeps changing, and how their claims keep changing. In an earlier post, Hopson claimed that Johnson had tried to join the forum several times.
...and how incompetent they are at research. They must be the only ones here who can't find my name, or Don's.
And here's something interesting. Johnson has been a member of NAFPS for two years, joined way back in March 2007. This was long before we ever began posting on him .
But he's never posted, not even to defend himself. I wonder if he's lied to Hopson about that for some reason, or if Hopson is the one lying?
The fact that TBE is the "informant" means that he can claim anything as his parent's race. My question is what did their birth certificates say was their race. Clearly TBE is a liar and if he uses these documents for legal purposes he is gulity of misrepresentation.
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Niawen gowa Don and Educated Indian for your posts. They are very informative.
Which is not the same that I can say for "wahyahahnae" aka Cindy "wish-she-was-a native" Hopson , Johnson's girlfriend.The name that she uses on this forum is not a native name but is a Nuwaubian and Washitaw name. Go figure!! 1+1=2. She is just another white newager ! She is nothing to us and has no voice among any of us real people, Ongwe Onwe!
Oneh
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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I just got an absolutely hysterical email from Hopson. I had trouble opening the doc she claims is Johnson's original birth ceritificate and asked permission to send it to Don. She exploded at the suggestion and absolutely refuses. I think also what set her off was my mentioning Don had found proof on that last site that Johnson is a Binay, and thus tied to the Nuwaubians and Washitaws.
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/scificafe.html
"Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle is....
A Member of: Black Indians & Inter Tribal Native American Association"
Links of interest
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=891.0
http://www.riseagain.info/blackturtle.html
More on TBE and his agenda. Hamza is a black cultist, he calls himself Hamza Bey AKA Sid Cattlett (son of a famous jazz drummer) who is now a Nuwaubian and has an on line radio programme. They are now claiming ties to the Cherokee Freedmen and other Freedmens descendants. I have also found ties between Hamza and former OK Republican J.C. Watts. It appears TBE and his Nuwaubians are trying to force the government to grant thems status. After seeing this I have changed my mind completely about the Freedmens cause, and Gypsy Wyatt, now that I know that non descendants and black people with no Indian blood like TBE are using them to get recognition.
LETTER SENT TO STEVE PRUITT TODAY
Steve Pruitt,
I am in receipt of your last email changing the date of the conference call. Allow me to please point out a few important concerns.
FD5CT, Inc. met you in April of 2006 alone with representatives of 5 of the Indigenous (Freedmen) Nation., coming from California, Colorado, Kansas and Missouri. Please note that we rallied to attend with less than 10 days notice at our own expense. (Our good faith effort). At that meeting we were presented a game plan as to our gaining the recognition that we have spent the last 20 years working toward. We were making head way by route of the Department of Interior, who had advised the BIA to address the concerns of the 5 Freedmen Nations. (Copy of that letter was forwarded to you). Our progress was stalled based on your campaign proposal
In your presentation you advised of the two types of tribal entities that the J. C. Watts, group would represent. The historical Tribe and the Freedmen Tribes. Tecumseh Brown-Eagle was to chair the historical side and I, Eleanor “Gypsy” Wyatt was to chair the Freedmen side.
The first face to face meeting was to occur in June 2006 (this did not happen) however based on your words FD5CT, Inc. in a good faith effort and to gain the support of congress spent a total of 252 hours putting together congressional 43 reports including Diane Watson, background history of our plight, letters issued by congress in the late 1800s calling for the correction of the disenfranchisement of the Indians with black skin a courtesy report done on your mother’s maiden name for you and letters from the Department of the Interior. We included 6 executed contracts and burned our citizens names and address along with the above mentioned report to disc for your convenience. I was instructed by you after the Onam to Morgan Stanley change to send the invoice to you for payment (it is Attached, however this invoice remains unpaid).
The following are the scheduled dates for meetings that were to be held in Washington, DC that were canceled.....Dec. 4-6, 2006, Jan. 22-24, 2007 and Feb. 19-22, 2007. after the first scheduled meeting of June 2006 did not occur.
Conference calls have met the same faith however let me recap one that did occur: conference call of May 8, 2007
Steve:
The following are points of expression that you shared with the Tribal Representatives during the conference call on Tuesday, May 8, 2007.
BASED UPON THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT:
· “House passed the Virginia Indian's Bill; it moves onto the Senate - the importance of this move is now we know who supports our efforts”,
· “We have all 42 Congressional Black Caucus members on board”,
· “We have Diane Watson, John Conyers, and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and A. Davis introducing our Bill the first week of June as a Private Bill; what this means is we by-pass the Bureau of Indian Affairs and it will not require the full vote of the Senate. It will go to Committee and what they recommend is the way it usually rolls”,
· “Morgan Stanley does not want the Bill delayed”,
· “The 3rd Thursday of each month is when Private Bills are considered by the Judiciary Committee thus it could occur in June or July”,
· “I will be sending the certified copies of the signed Cooperative Agreements of all the Tribes who are at present included in the Campaign”,
· “Tribes will be added to our website as clients some time in the next week or two as an update has been planned”,
· “Black Caucus/Congress sees the big picture now; not just the Black Cherokees; Campaign will not be delayed for other Tribes that wish to come on board; and add on at a later date is in place”.
· “The only problem we face right now is to hope Bush is not impeached; if they start the impeachment process….everything goes on the back burner”.
· “I will attempt to have another conference call sometime next week to hopefully set up the D.C. Campaign kick-off meeting”.
There are hundreds of thousand Freedmen descendants many have called Rep Diane Washington’s office and all are told the same thing THEY KNOW OF NO OTHER GROUP OR ANYTHING ABOUT A PRIVATE BILL. Per the information in the May 8, 2007 conference call Diane Watson, John Conyers, and Jesse Jackson, Jr. and A. Davis were to introducing our Bill the first week of June as a Private Bill that too did not happen. (This was taken from an email you have confirmed was the summary of that conference call.). Meaning the bill was already drafted without the input of those who it was to cover. I am not an attorney, however I know my history better than any attorney, for I’ve research it for the past 25 years and other than Dr. Gavin Clarkson, choctaw attorney and professor I know of no attorney that is well versed in the history of all 5 Freedmen Nation. I may be sticking my neck out on a limb here but I’m willing to say the same for Hamaz and Tecumseh Brown-Eagle.
How does one function as a chairman of anything when they are not informed of the inter-workings? All information I have receive comes from news reports, speaking among ourselves (Hamaz and Tecumseh Brown-Eagle and myself) and online message boards. Hamaz has shared an email from you more or less stating you are the star player. This raises grave concerns for me as Indians with dark skin play this game as a team, we have NO star players. I was under the impression that you were working toward the betterment of Indians with dark skin, none of us puts ourselves above the rest. None of us has not followed through on anything we have stated for our word is our bond.
This campaign was to kick off one year ago as of June 2007, the only people who knows anything about the limited amount of action is a select few. I note all your emails are sent to my chiefs, council members, my United Nations contact, Hamaz and Tecumseh Brown-Eagle. (The people I keep informed). Who are the others that are in this campaign? Are they informed as well?
I understand Rome was not built in a day but surly they laid the corner stone in a year. We have seen no action NONE in a year and two months. You say Morgan Stanley is backing this campaign is that a true statement for we have nothing to say they are. If this email sounds disgruntle then it has served its purpose for there is trouble in paradise, we are NOT happy campers. The simplest thing as adding our names to your websites client list was not done. I do however note Joe Byrd is listed. A good faith effort is needed on your part. Paying the attached invoice is needed on your part. Communication that is not enlisted by one of us is needed on your part.
Our word has been our bond from the onset with the exception of your health issues we can not understand the delays for your words have produced NO fruit.
As too our lost contracts due to staff turn over did all these you have previously mentioned leave the campaign? JCWC will have a 6 member project management team working on this project. In addition to Steve Pruitt, the team will include Ms. Angela Sailor, Ms. Lindsey Mitchell, Mr. Tripp Baird, Mr. Joe Byrd and Mr. Elroy Sailor.
Eleanor “Gypsy” Wyatt
Chairman of the Board, FD5CT, Inc. (A 501 c3 Native American Foundation)
Clan’s Mother to 5 Indigenous Freedmen Nations (Chickasaw, Chickasaw, Cherokee, Creek and Seminole
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More on TBE and his allies. Their true agenda is getting paid by the US government, either by claiming to be "Indians" or by bankrupting the US economy. Most reparations activists are simply con artists trying to blackmail the US government to pay every black American over 18 $350,000 for payment for their enslaved ancestors. Many black people who have been able to overcome racism, discrimination and ignorance and realise that this idea would destroy the economy oppose reparations. Those who have not been able to get off of welfare or crime, have little or no education or skills, support reparations, because they see it as another massive welfare programme.
I know Mustapha Ansari, a real black racist. He is a community college teacher from California and a black Muslim. He claims to be an "international jurist" representing the "auchotone "Indigenous" people of America i.e. Black people claiming to be the original 'indigenous' people of the Americas, the Washitaw.
Do check out this communications between "Brother Pruit" and Ansari...
Original Message-----
From: Ansari Mustafa [mailto:mustafaansari2002@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:59 AM
Subject: [Africa-Politics] Re: [unioNews] AN OPEN LETTER TO MINISTER LOUIS
FARRAKHAN
As-Salaam-Alaikum, Minister Louis Farrakhan and Minister Al-Arkam
I join in the discussion and the call for unity of Minister Al-Arkam. I
too am respectfully oppossed to another march, simply because the next day
we are in the same position. Instead I would suggest a strategy that takes
us from servitude and oppression to liberation called a "Plebiscite". I do
so because it is apparent that we have the same goal in mind, which is a
territorial inter-succession from the U.S.
Accordingly, the strategy of a UN monitored 'democratic' vote in all 50
states will take us from A to B. The processes and the result of the vote
will 'unify' any difference[If any] that we have in approach. As you know
the Muslims [Point 4 of what the Muslim wants] for his brother and himself
has been for over 40 years these types of self-controlled territories.
Likewise, the African Indians have long sought these type of territories.
Similarly the Africans in America who are Tri-Racial and indigenous are
entitled to these lands as reparative tithes.
In this regards, I join Minister Al-Arkam and Silas Muhammad to urge you
most respectfully to join us in proceeding out of America to the UN. I do so
out of no secret or hidden agenda of my own to undermine your undying
efforts to bring our people together, I am simply suggesting a legal
methodology to do so. I do so in the name of our political father [The
Honorable Elijah Muhammad], our brother {Al-Hajj Malik Shabazz} my current
Imam {Imam Jamil Al-Amin} , our ancestors and children.
I have a staff of International lawyers that will wind us through the UN
and I am totally willing to share duties and obligations with NOI, Brother
Silis, Panthers, NCOBRA, Baptist, CARR, NBUF, and anyone else who desires to
obtain a distinct self-determining identity. In this regards, I have no
discernible ego, except to insist on being free from the authority of
America.
On this Saturday we will be discussing the implementation of the aforesaid
Plebiscite with activist, groups, African Indians and interested Africans in
12 states and I invite you not only to participate but to sit as Co-chairs
on the Indigenous Plebiscite Committee [IPC] as it will take a joint effort
to hold a National Plebiscite.
I am also inviting to serve as Co-Chairs,
Eleanor[Gypsy Wyatt} Chairman or Angela Molete of the 5 civilized Tribes
Kwaku Duren National Panther Vangard Movement
Brother Pruitt Committe for African American Reparations
Dr. Nikita Imani -Indigenous African American ReparationsTribunal
Shereeta Lacy Youth NCOBRA
Dr. Conrad Worrill NBUF
Ukali -Republic of New Africa [RNA]
Randall Robinson
Manning Marable
El-Zakur Washita Tribe
Queen Quet -Gullah Geechee
Empress Chi [Million Womens march]
This list is not exclusive and does not serve as a list of exclusion of
any and every qualified African in any of the 50 states.
The telephone number for Saturdays conference is 641-497-7300
Access code 784315
Time Saturday December 11th at 11:00 A.M. Eastern Standard time.
Dr. Mustafa Ansari
Chief Justice
Indigenous African American Reparations Tribunal
As-Salaam-Alaikum, Minister Louis Farrakhan:
I hope that this letter finds you and your entire family in the best
of spiritual and physical health.
Thank you for making Reparations for our long-suffering people one of
your top priorities.
Thank you also for inviting me to accompany you in March 1977 on your
visit to both Egypt and Uganda, where I was blessed to interview
President Idi Amin (may peace be upon him).
The articles commemorating that historic tour were published in Bilalian
News, First World and Sepia.
Recently the moderator of BlackSolutions@yahoo groups.com asked the
members to share their views on the next Million Man March planned for
2005. Some were pro, others were con.
In a message entitled "Are Leaders Willing To Set Aside Egos And Unite
On Reparations Demand?" I wrote that, instead of another march, I
believe that our people would obtain a far greater benefit if all the
Civil Rights and Black Nationalists leaders would confer and agree upon
a common strategy to secure Reparations.
In addition to yourself, some of the other leaders I have in mind
include: Representative Cynthia McKinney, Representative John Conyers,
Professor Charles Ogletree, Mr. Silis Muhammad, Mrs. Dorothy Lewis, Dr.
Mustafa Ansari, Professor Manning Marable, Mr. Randall Robinson and
Elder Osiris Akkebala.
For the past twelve years a few dedicated African-American scholars
and activists (including Mr. Muhammad, Mrs. Lewis and Mr. Akkebala) have
been working inside the United Nations to establish Human Rights and
secure Reparations for all Afro-Descendants in the Western Hemisphere.
In numerous interventions before diverse U.N. bodies, including the
Human Rights Commission, they have documented how the U.S. government's
long-term practices of ethnocide and forced assimilation blatantly
violate U.N. Covenants. They have also called upon the U.N. to place a
Reparations Sanction upon the guilty USA.
Although I have every right to politely express my views on the March
and to request that all leaders who desire Reparations work together
more closely, a person who identified himself as one of your followers
reacted in a very disrespectful and emotional manner to my perspective.
Reuben Muhammad inaccurately charged me with disrespecting you and
compared me to a devil and a hypocrite. (See his message #3369 posted on
December 6th).
One of the reasons I am writing this Open Letter is to let you know
that I am well aware that the rude and abrasive language of Reuben
Muhammad does not properly reflect you as a leader, nor does it properly
reflect the civilized attitudes of the vast majority of Muslims I have
encountered over the decades.
In contrast to his harsh verbal attack, which mistakenly assumes that
I have evil motives, I want to commend some of your followers here in
Boston who have repeatedly shown me respect and courtesy and who have
always been shown respect and courtesy by myself and the other followers
of Mr. Silis Muhammad.
Circa 1995 some friction occurred in Boston between your followers and
the followers of my leader, Mr. Silis Muhammad, as they were
enthusiastically selling the Final Call and Muhammad Speaks in Roxbury.
To our credit, Minister Don Muhammad and I spoke by phone and agreed
that there was absolutely no reason for any friction or conflict. And
that established enduring peace.
Many times since then I have seen Assistant Minister Rodney Muhammad
at the WRBB Radio station, where we both have programs, and each time we
have greeted each other with courtesy. The same was true when we both
addressed the opening session of the National Black Agenda Convention
earlier this year.
All Afro-Descendants have the right to freely follow whichever leader
they deem worthy of support. And no one should verbally attack a
brother or sister for favoring or disfavoring a march as a strategy or
tactic.
I am certain that our people, who have now been in bondage for 449
years, yearn for the day when all the Civil Rights and Black Nationalist
leaders will stand on the same platform and communicate to them A SHARED
VISION FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN LIBERATION.
As I explained to the members of Black Solutions, this is not an
either-or situation. Many of our people may choose to both March on
Washington again AND encourage our best and brightest scholars and
activists (including yourself and Mr. Silis Muhammad) to converge on
Geneva, Switzerland and take a UNITED STAND ON REPARATIONS at the next
meeting of the U.N. Human Rights Commission.
According to the Honorable Elijah Muhammad (may peace forever be upon
Him) there will be no peace anywhere on Earth until the so-called
Negroes (today identified as Afro-Descendants) are separated from our
open enemies and return to our Original Homeland.
For us Reparations means far more than financial restitution for 310
years of chattel slavery and many subsequent decades of de-facto
apartheid. Reparations means Restoration. We deserve our own
Government and our own Economy on some of this Earth that we can call
our own.
Thank you for reading this letter.
As-Salaam-Alaikum,
Minister Malik Al-Arkam
www.AllForReparations.org
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This is from a group calling itself BNAA Black Native American Association, which has of course no Native Americans...
More from Mustapha Ansari on the black Indians
From: Dr. Mustafa Ansari <dr.mustafaansari@ gmail.com >
Subject: Re: [bnaa] Wannabees are Wannabees not Indians
To: bnaa@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:56 PM
Who gave you your definitions of who is an Indian and who is not??? The white man. Indians are not a race. Indians are admixtures of Africans (Black is the colloquialism) and Asian...and guess what the Africans preceded the Asians by at least 3,000 years. Your name does not reflect an aboriginal. Your name intimates that you are mixed with Spanish blood [European}, so how are you an aboriginal?? ?....and do you know who you are??? So, you had better re-think who is delusional. Africans are the aboriginals and that is a archaeological fact. I think you should study before you try to insult the real aboriginal native Americans.
This man is totally delusional, but black people believe him and his co-religionist TBE
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Please understand that this person is totally delusional his language is offensive and rather colourful. These are TBE people, black Muslims claiming to be "indigenous". This is an example of Nuwaubian "theology"...
The problem with this "Nation of Islam" is the fact that your shrewd leaders did not (or do not) compel you all to "Lawfully" and "Genuinely" change (meaning positively alter by way of declaring and/or proclaiming) your negative presumptive status of a "Colored Black Negro" U.S. SLAVE citizen (which has been negatively branded and forced on us by the European Albion Race). Islam is a way of life and Muslim is a Faith. Prophet Mohammad was not under the negative presumption of being an Artificial/Fictitious "Corporate" U.S. BLACK citizen (neither was Yeshua/JESUS). So you all are not truly honoring the same exact Prophet in which you claim you respectfully honor. You all have been running around in the "Corporate U.S." with millions of people named Muhammad, but you are clearly subjects, slaves, property, and jurisdiction of ROME, ENGLAND, GERMANY, and any other filthy European who wants to own you. The absolute only way that Asiatic Aboriginal so-called "BLACK People" can be citizens of the "Corporate" U.S, is by CON-TRACT (either knowingly or unknowingly). The U.S. is a "British" Corporation by way of Blood-Thirsty England. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HUGE "NATION OF ISLAM" IS A 501C3 Non-Profit Tax-Exempt Organization. If so, this particular con-tract clearly and blatantly put all of you Muhammad-Maniacs (including your charismatic Leader) under the continued negative presumptive STATUS of being SLAVES/WARDS of the Federal "Corporate" U.S. Government (currently known as The UNITED STATES/SNAKES Inc. of AmeriKKKa). LET'S BE LOGICAL, REASONABLE and most of LAWFUL and stop being so damned delusionally emotional. WHY ISN'T LOUIS FARRAKHAN'S LAST NAME MUHAMMAD (like the rest of you)?
Straight up, YOU ALL ARE NOTHING MORE THAN U.S. "BLACK" CORPORATE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PROPERTY AND ASSETS AND SLAVE JURISDICTION OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (Washington D.C.). DON'T HATE ON THE MESSENGER. The year is now 2009 and this foolishness has go to stop. Your smooth Leaders should have long-time ago had you "Officially" and "Openly" LAWFULLY Declare/Proclaim some sort of Indigenous Aboriginal SOVEREIGN Tribe or Nation of peoples. THIS "PALE-FACE" WHITE MAN DEVIL IS A MASTER OF CON-TRACTS. You so-called "Nation of ISLAM" Members are in EUROPEAN Con-tracts up to your necks. You have U.S. Birth Certificates, U.S. Drivers Licenses, U.S. Vehicle Registrations, U.S. Voter Registrations, U.S. Marriage Certificates, etc. YOU ARE NOT SOVEREIGN. Your collective names reflecting MUHAMMAD is not Bullsh%tting anyone but yourselves. That just shows that you are coachable and trainable. Remember, Jim Jones trained his Sheep-Like people to all collectively wear the same color shirt or the same type of shoes when they all drank the poison Kool-Aid just before they all went to a "White Man's" HELL. There is a 2010 U.S. "Racist" Census coming up in AmeriKKKa in order to OFFICIALLY close the door on the Dumb-Ass 14th Amendment "Colored Black Negro" U.S. SLAVE citizens which have been collectively bullsh%tting for 500 years. Unfortunately, "Black" Sheep-Like People cannot or will not be counted. This U.S.Census is literally forcing you to openly display some sort of "Lawful" Nationality. Being a "Black" U.S. MUSLIM will not and cannot suffice as "Lawful" Nationality. You are practicing an acceptable MUSLIM FAITH (of your Ancestors) but you are not "Lawfully" in your Proper STATUS. I should not have to be sharing this with you all at this late time in the present hour (this is what "YOUR" so-called LEADERS are for). Now, I understand that the highly-Corrupt/Racist UNITED SNAKES has allocated approximately 5 Billion Dollars in Welfare Money for the so-called American-Indian (which is another inaccurate mislabeling of a Native American Peoples). So what is the "Nation of Islam" now going to do (run and try to all of a sudden be an American INDIAN)? AIN'T NO MORE FUTURE IN YOUR FRONTING. YOU ARE EITHER A "SOVEREIGN" Or A "SLAVE".
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Hopson has sent me a string of ever more unhinged emails, all empty bluster and insult. She's still afraid to send you the supposed actual birth certificate Don.
Could you post a link to what you reposted above? It's not exactly clear how it's tied to Johnson either.
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The posts come from the following yahoogroups, bnaa@yahoogroups.com, luv4self_network@yahoogroups.com and blackindiansopenforum@yahoogroups.com. These groups are all tied to the Nuwaubians, who are tied to TBE and his "Erie Moundbuilders". TBE's discourses about the "Ancient Ones" IS the Nuwaubian mythology/ideology. TBE is a member of all these groups as well as a follower of the Islam as taught by W.D. Fard who founded the "Moorish Science" movement which is also based on the Nuwaubian myth. These black supremacist views lie at the very heart of the the black Muslim movement, and separate them from all other orthodox Muslims.
I will post the links to these posts, however it may be impossible to access them because of membership requirements...
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackIndiansopenforum/message/6389
This link is to black Indian open forum. TBE and Nuwaubians forward about the procedures required in getting federal recognition. Note the people and groups who are copied. BTW this is Jerry "Eaglefeather" Monroe's groups, the Binay yahoogroups. TBE is a member of the Binay tribe.
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--- On Fri, 12/26/08, Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com> wrote:
From: Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com>
Subject: what i did on friday nite
To: cathar_apostles@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 10:50 PM
Islamic Association of Erie
Men’s Organizational Chart
Branches
Executive
Judicial
Legislative
Executive positions and duties:
A. President(seated in the East)
1. To open and preside over the meetings of the Masjid when present and to make all necessary provisions for the performance of that duty when absent.
2. To preserve the charter of the Masjid with care and deliver it to his successor in office.
3. To see that the by-laws of the Masjid, the Constitution and the Holy Qur’an be understood, respected and obeyed during the meetings and events.
4. To give Islaamic instruction at every meeting at the Masjid.
5. To advise the other officers and give them assistance on any business involving the Masjid.
6. To represent the Masjid, along with the First and Second Vice Presidents at all public and private Islaamic functions and Eids.
7. To see that the proper officers collect and keep moneys of the Masjid; to see that the assets and other items are not wasted, damaged or lost.
8. To Sign all checks or money bills drawn on the Treasurer, with the consent of the officers and trustees of the Masjid.
9. To act on the standing committee of Zakat.
10. To appoint all committees.
11. To see that all non Islaamic conduct in the Masjid be corrected in the most respectful manner possible.
12. To guarantee that those who are in violation of un-Islaamic conduct in the Masjid is given proper instruction in the most courtesy manner.
13. To preside at the burial services of a deceased member and to assign a funerary and burial team.
14. To appoint those Appointive Officers.
15. To fill all vacant offices by appointments to complete the term of the vacated office.
16. To call the Masjid to meetings, whenever there is a need to do so.
17. To install his successor in office.
18. To see that all visiting brothers, their families are welcomed to the Masjid and have courteous attention.
19. To give the casting votes in the event of a tie.
20. To appoint a committee on finance on the day of his installation.
21. To read and expound to the Masjid on any activates in the Mecca , Al-Medina and Jerusalem .
22. To decide all questions of the Masjid.
23. To see that all annual and semi-annual reporting’s are filed to the proper authorities by the Secretary and Treasurer offices on time.
B. First Vice President(seated in the West)
1. To succeed to and exercise all powers of the President, in the event of his absence.
2. To represent the Masjid with the President and Second Vice President at all public and private Islaamic functions and Eids.
3. To act on the committee of Zakat.
4. To take charge of the Masjid during meetings under the guidance of the President.
C. Second Vice President(seated in the South)
1. To exercise all the powers of the President in absence of the two officers above him.
2. To represent the Masjid with the President and First Vice President at all public and private Islaamic functions and Eids.
3. To act on the committee of Zakat.
4. To take charge of the Masjid during refreshments and all complaints made by the brothers of un Islaamic conduct, irregularities and bring those concerns to the officers of the Masjid if he feels it necessary; provided this shall not be a bar to any brother bringing his complaint directly to the Masjid’s meeting or Officers.
D. The Treasurer(seated at the right of the President)
1. To receive all monies from the hands of the Secretary; keep a just and regular account of the same, and pay them out at the will of the President and consent of the officers.
2. To prepare semi-annually(six months prior to Thw al-Hijjah Eidul Adha day it begins from the 10th of the 12th month of Islamic lunar calendar and on the 10th of the 12th month)
3. To promptly deliver to his successor in office all the funds of the Masjid together with all of the recording books, vouchers and statements etc., having any reference to the financial business of the Masjid.
E. The Secretary(seated at the left of the President)
1. To receive all monies and give a receipt for the same, pay them over to the Treasurer and take his receipt for the same.
2. To attend to recording the proceedings of each meeting.
3. To furnish copies of said meetings to whomever when instructed to do so by the officers of the Masjid.
4. To furnish diplomas, certificates, etc, signed and sealed by the Masjid.
5. To record all expulsions and suspensions from the Masjid.
6. To keep a registry of Members and record all important facts relative to Islaamic history of each member of the Masjid.
7. To keep an account of all member groups by nationality for representation on the board/council of the Masjid.
8. To preserve the seal of the Masjid with care and at the close of his term of service deliver it to his successor.
9. To promptly deliver to his successor in office all of the books, papers, vouchers, etc., in his passion, having any reference to business of his office.
10. It shall be the duty of the Secretary to enter into the records of each stated meeting the amount of money received from each person for any purpose since the last stated meeting and for what it was received, and all monies must be paid to the Treasurer without delay. And at each stated meeting, as a part of the regular order of business, the president shall inquire: “have all the monies received by the Secretary been paid to the Treasurer and receipts taken therefore?” In any case where a Secretary shall neglect to promptly pay over money so received, except such neglect is caused by the absence of the Treasurer or other good cause, it shall be the duty of the President to perform that duty as necessary.
11. All petitions and documents of every character, handed to the Secretary on the business of the Masjid, shall be labeled, filed for preservation and kept in some safe and secure place and only delivered up by order of the Masjid.
12. To prepare semi annually (six months prior to Thw al-Hijjah Eidul Adha day it begins from the 10th of the 12th month of Islamic lunar calendar and on the 10th of the 12th month) an official statement of his accounts with the Masjid and deliver it to the president at the close of his term.
13. The Secretary shall make all governmental and non governmental reporting with the approval and the help of the Treasurer as required by law.
F. Auwal Mudir(First Manager seated right front of the President)
1. To act as the President’s messenger/attendant.
2. To announce and attend to visiting brothers.
G. Tani Mudir(Second Manager seated at the right front of the First Vice president)
1. To act as the First Vice President’s messenger/attendant.
2. To handle the security of the Masjid.
H. Wakil(2 Stewards seated in the south fronting the Second Vice President)
1. Take charge and care of the assets of the Masjid.
2. Provide refreshments for the brothers.
3. To keep the Masjid and all rooms of the building clean.
Legislative Branch
The legislative branch will vote on the by-laws and Constitution of the Masjid.
Before going into judicial and legislative you need the people to determine who they are. The above organizational chart should be used by every nation represented in the Masjid. Then we can have smooth transitions and organization of programs activities and general business practices.
Each community should have a male and female representative in either the men’s group or the women’s group. The above is for the men’s group but can easily be adapted to female group. Let’s say that the President of the Bangladesh is sitting on the men’s council and is representing his peoples vote for president of the Masjid and let’s say that person he voted for based upon agreement of his group of Bangladesh is from Somalia then that’s their vote and voice of the Bangladesh People. Very simple no drama and they are properly represented. Let’s say you always keep an even number and allow the host nation the American Indians as the group to make the number odd so no ties can exist. If you have 12 foreign groups then the host American Indians will vote even though you have European Americans and African Americans. If you have an odd number of foreign groups then the American Indian (true host Nation) will abstain for consideration and the betterment of the need for foreign groups to overcome adjustment issues and their concerns can be addressed sooner.
So each group of foreigners will have a male and female representative. Males to Men’s council Females to the Women’s council. Each foreign group will have the same officers same duties to have uniformity and clarity of duties and obligations for both men and women groups. The President of each group of men and women will be the representative on the Masjid’s main council. If any president of any foreign group cannot make meeting then their first vice president or second vice president will attend without interruption.
That representative will vote on behalf of the group and necessary proposals will be taken back to their group to vote on and their vote will be recorded at the next Masjid council meeting or if everyone is together it can be voted on after a short deliberation.
Now the number of Legislators is one per country per gender. If you have 10 foreign plus 1 American Indian then you have 11 representatives on council. If you have 9 foreign representatives then you will have 10 on council but the host country American Indian will abstain from voting.
Judicial Branch:
Judicial branch should be one past president from each nation or an Islaamic scholar from that nation represented. Their duties are to resolve conflicts and interpret by-laws and the Constitution of the Masjid. Their organization structure will be the same as the Executive and Legislative branches. Gender can be either male or female.
Order of business
1. Opening Prayer.
2. Calling the Roll of officers.
3. Reading of the previous meeting minutes(recordings of the meeting)
4. Communications/correspondence.
5. Receiving petitions/requests.
6. Report of Committees.
7. Balloting for membership/shahada and issuance of certificates.
8. Unfinished business of previous meetings.
9. New business.
10. Shahadas.
11. Reading and Approving of the Minutes.
12. Closing.
13. Prayer.
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--- On Fri, 12/26/08, Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com> wrote:
From: Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com>
Subject: what i did on friday nite
To: cathar_apostles@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 10:50 PM
Islamic Association of Erie
Men’s Organizational Chart
Branches
Executive
Judicial
Legislative
Executive positions and duties:
A. President(seated in the East)
1. To open and preside over the meetings of the Masjid when present and to make all necessary provisions for the performance of that duty when absent.
2. To preserve the charter of the Masjid with care and deliver it to his successor in office.
3. To see that the by-laws of the Masjid, the Constitution and the Holy Qur’an be understood, respected and obeyed during the meetings and events.
4. To give Islaamic instruction at every meeting at the Masjid.
5. To advise the other officers and give them assistance on any business involving the Masjid.
6. To represent the Masjid, along with the First and Second Vice Presidents at all public and private Islaamic functions and Eids.
7. To see that the proper officers collect and keep moneys of the Masjid; to see that the assets and other items are not wasted, damaged or lost.
8. To Sign all checks or money bills drawn on the Treasurer, with the consent of the officers and trustees of the Masjid.
9. To act on the standing committee of Zakat.
10. To appoint all committees.
11. To see that all non Islaamic conduct in the Masjid be corrected in the most respectful manner possible.
12. To guarantee that those who are in violation of un-Islaamic conduct in the Masjid is given proper instruction in the most courtesy manner.
13. To preside at the burial services of a deceased member and to assign a funerary and burial team.
14. To appoint those Appointive Officers.
15. To fill all vacant offices by appointments to complete the term of the vacated office.
16. To call the Masjid to meetings, whenever there is a need to do so.
17. To install his successor in office.
18. To see that all visiting brothers, their families are welcomed to the Masjid and have courteous attention.
19. To give the casting votes in the event of a tie.
20. To appoint a committee on finance on the day of his installation.
21. To read and expound to the Masjid on any activates in the Mecca , Al-Medina and Jerusalem .
22. To decide all questions of the Masjid.
23. To see that all annual and semi-annual reporting’s are filed to the proper authorities by the Secretary and Treasurer offices on time.
B. First Vice President(seated in the West)
1. To succeed to and exercise all powers of the President, in the event of his absence.
2. To represent the Masjid with the President and Second Vice President at all public and private Islaamic functions and Eids.
3. To act on the committee of Zakat.
4. To take charge of the Masjid during meetings under the guidance of the President.
C. Second Vice President(seated in the South)
1. To exercise all the powers of the President in absence of the two officers above him.
2. To represent the Masjid with the President and First Vice President at all public and private Islaamic functions and Eids.
3. To act on the committee of Zakat.
4. To take charge of the Masjid during refreshments and all complaints made by the brothers of un Islaamic conduct, irregularities and bring those concerns to the officers of the Masjid if he feels it necessary; provided this shall not be a bar to any brother bringing his complaint directly to the Masjid’s meeting or Officers.
D. The Treasurer(seated at the right of the President)
1. To receive all monies from the hands of the Secretary; keep a just and regular account of the same, and pay them out at the will of the President and consent of the officers.
2. To prepare semi-annually(six months prior to Thw al-Hijjah Eidul Adha day it begins from the 10th of the 12th month of Islamic lunar calendar and on the 10th of the 12th month)
3. To promptly deliver to his successor in office all the funds of the Masjid together with all of the recording books, vouchers and statements etc., having any reference to the financial business of the Masjid.
E. The Secretary(seated at the left of the President)
1. To receive all monies and give a receipt for the same, pay them over to the Treasurer and take his receipt for the same.
2. To attend to recording the proceedings of each meeting.
3. To furnish copies of said meetings to whomever when instructed to do so by the officers of the Masjid.
4. To furnish diplomas, certificates, etc, signed and sealed by the Masjid.
5. To record all expulsions and suspensions from the Masjid.
6. To keep a registry of Members and record all important facts relative to Islaamic history of each member of the Masjid.
7. To keep an account of all member groups by nationality for representation on the board/council of the Masjid.
8. To preserve the seal of the Masjid with care and at the close of his term of service deliver it to his successor.
9. To promptly deliver to his successor in office all of the books, papers, vouchers, etc., in his passion, having any reference to business of his office.
10. It shall be the duty of the Secretary to enter into the records of each stated meeting the amount of money received from each person for any purpose since the last stated meeting and for what it was received, and all monies must be paid to the Treasurer without delay. And at each stated meeting, as a part of the regular order of business, the president shall inquire: “have all the monies received by the Secretary been paid to the Treasurer and receipts taken therefore?” In any case where a Secretary shall neglect to promptly pay over money so received, except such neglect is caused by the absence of the Treasurer or other good cause, it shall be the duty of the President to perform that duty as necessary.
11. All petitions and documents of every character, handed to the Secretary on the business of the Masjid, shall be labeled, filed for preservation and kept in some safe and secure place and only delivered up by order of the Masjid.
12. To prepare semi annually (six months prior to Thw al-Hijjah Eidul Adha day it begins from the 10th of the 12th month of Islamic lunar calendar and on the 10th of the 12th month) an official statement of his accounts with the Masjid and deliver it to the president at the close of his term.
13. The Secretary shall make all governmental and non governmental reporting with the approval and the help of the Treasurer as required by law.
F. Auwal Mudir(First Manager seated right front of the President)
1. To act as the President’s messenger/attendant.
2. To announce and attend to visiting brothers.
G. Tani Mudir(Second Manager seated at the right front of the First Vice president)
1. To act as the First Vice President’s messenger/attendant.
2. To handle the security of the Masjid.
H. Wakil(2 Stewards seated in the south fronting the Second Vice President)
1. Take charge and care of the assets of the Masjid.
2. Provide refreshments for the brothers.
3. To keep the Masjid and all rooms of the building clean.
Legislative Branch
The legislative branch will vote on the by-laws and Constitution of the Masjid.
Before going into judicial and legislative you need the people to determine who they are. The above organizational chart should be used by every nation represented in the Masjid. Then we can have smooth transitions and organization of programs activities and general business practices.
Each community should have a male and female representative in either the men’s group or the women’s group. The above is for the men’s group but can easily be adapted to female group. Let’s say that the President of the Bangladesh is sitting on the men’s council and is representing his peoples vote for president of the Masjid and let’s say that person he voted for based upon agreement of his group of Bangladesh is from Somalia then that’s their vote and voice of the Bangladesh People. Very simple no drama and they are properly represented. Let’s say you always keep an even number and allow the host nation the American Indians as the group to make the number odd so no ties can exist. If you have 12 foreign groups then the host American Indians will vote even though you have European Americans and African Americans. If you have an odd number of foreign groups then the American Indian (true host Nation) will abstain for consideration and the betterment of the need for foreign groups to overcome adjustment issues and their concerns can be addressed sooner.
So each group of foreigners will have a male and female representative. Males to Men’s council Females to the Women’s council. Each foreign group will have the same officers same duties to have uniformity and clarity of duties and obligations for both men and women groups. The President of each group of men and women will be the representative on the Masjid’s main council. If any president of any foreign group cannot make meeting then their first vice president or second vice president will attend without interruption.
That representative will vote on behalf of the group and necessary proposals will be taken back to their group to vote on and their vote will be recorded at the next Masjid council meeting or if everyone is together it can be voted on after a short deliberation.
Now the number of Legislators is one per country per gender. If you have 10 foreign plus 1 American Indian then you have 11 representatives on council. If you have 9 foreign representatives then you will have 10 on council but the host country American Indian will abstain from voting.
Judicial Branch:
Judicial branch should be one past president from each nation or an Islaamic scholar from that nation represented. Their duties are to resolve conflicts and interpret by-laws and the Constitution of the Masjid. Their organization structure will be the same as the Executive and Legislative branches. Gender can be either male or female.
Order of business
1. Opening Prayer.
2. Calling the Roll of officers.
3. Reading of the previous meeting minutes(recordings of the meeting)
4. Communications/correspondence.
5. Receiving petitions/requests.
6. Report of Committees.
7. Balloting for membership/shahada and issuance of certificates.
8. Unfinished business of previous meetings.
9. New business.
10. Shahadas.
11. Reading and Approving of the Minutes.
12. Closing.
13. Prayer.
This is from Sutherland's site...
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle AND Friends ,
Chairman
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
ARCHIVED
General Discussion with Mary Sutherland .
on the Ancient Races, the Mysteries and societies thereof and decoding the cryptic messages.
Peter Moon, Tecumseh, Hamsah, Mary Sutherland , Sarah Simmons and Friends
Discussing Codes , Montauk Indians, The path of the Pharoahs in North America.
ARCHIVED
James Scott, Tecumseh , Mary Sutherland and Sarah Simmons
discuss the Mysteries of Kentucky , Atlantean Temples in Kentucky, The Ancient Israelites in kentucky ...and "Did James Scott release a geni during one of his digs? Mary Sutherland thinks so!" . Listen to this show
Its pretty clear from this listing that TBE is a new ager, his "Ancient Ones" are the Washitaw/Nuwaubians mythology of the African in America, and the rest is flying saucers nonsense.
Anyone who believes this person is at all credible is a gullible and totally unintelligent person. Even people like Ms. Hopson should be able to see through TBE unless they are either ignorant or in for part of the action...
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--- On Fri, 12/26/08, Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com> wrote:
From: Tecumseh Brown-Eagle <tbeagle@neo.rr.com>
Subject: what i did on friday nite
To: cathar_apostles@yahoo.com
Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 10:50 PM
Islamic Association of Erie
Men’s Organizational Chart....
Legislative Branch
The legislative branch will vote on the by-laws and Constitution of the Masjid.
Before going into judicial and legislative you need the people to determine who they are. The above organizational chart should be used by every nation represented in the Masjid. Then we can have smooth transitions and organization of programs activities and general business practices.
Each community should have a male and female representative in either the men’s group or the women’s group. The above is for the men’s group but can easily be adapted to female group. Let’s say that the President of the Bangladesh is sitting on the men’s council and is representing his peoples vote for president of the Masjid and let’s say that person he voted for based upon agreement of his group of Bangladesh is from Somalia then that’s their vote and voice of the Bangladesh People. Very simple no drama and they are properly represented. Let’s say you always keep an even number and allow the host nation the American Indians as the group to make the number odd so no ties can exist. If you have 12 foreign groups then the host American Indians will vote even though you have European Americans and African Americans. If you have an odd number of foreign groups then the American Indian (true host Nation) will abstain for consideration and the betterment of the need for foreign groups to overcome adjustment issues and their concerns can be addressed sooner.
So each group of foreigners will have a male and female representative. Males to Men’s council Females to the Women’s council. Each foreign group will have the same officers same duties to have uniformity and clarity of duties and obligations for both men and women groups. The President of each group of men and women will be the representative on the Masjid’s main council. If any president of any foreign group cannot make meeting then their first vice president or second vice president will attend without interruption....
Now the number of Legislators is one per country per gender. If you have 10 foreign plus 1 American Indian then you have 11 representatives on council. If you have 9 foreign representatives then you will have 10 on council but the host country American Indian will abstain from voting.
Judicial Branch:
Judicial branch should be one past president from each nation or an Islaamic scholar from that nation represented. Their duties are to resolve conflicts and interpret by-laws and the Constitution of the Masjid. Their organization structure will be the same as the Executive and Legislative branches. Gender can be either male or female.
This group seems to be pretty influenced by Moorish Science. Note the bold, where American Indian host nation and foreigners or foreign nations are used repeatedly. I doubt there are enough actual American Indian Muslims in the city to make up a distinct group. The city of Erie has 100,000 people, metro area about double. The NDN pop is so small I couldn't even find stats on it. So the host nation for this mosque is Johnson's group, which holds itself by their own words to not be African.
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There is no difference between the Washitaw/Nuawaubian mythology and the beliefs of so called Moorish Science. I have found some very confused whites who claimed to be "Moors" and Cherokee. I've seen the Cherokee Muslims who are all black in some yahoogroups, all claiming outrageous ties between Islam and the Cherokee people. That's probably why TBE makes his claims of being Cherokee. None of these people have any legitimate ties to any nations, THEY ARE NOT INDIANS!
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There is no difference between the Washitaw/Nuawaubian mythology and the beliefs of so called Moorish Science. I have found some very confused whites who claimed to be "Moors" and Cherokee. I've seen the Cherokee Muslims who are all black in some yahoogroups, all claiming outrageous ties between Islam and the Cherokee people. That's probably why TBE makes his claims of being Cherokee. None of these people have any legitimate ties to any nations, THEY ARE NOT INDIANS!
Where does this guy continue to get the audacity to speak on behalf of ANY American Indian especially as a chief cherokee nor any other "tribe or nation"?
Some people need to post comments in these blogs especially where he is apparently trying to go further West in the US (let's hope he goes "out to sea"?) to the Hawaiian Islands! Especially since all here in the East and Canada KNOW he is a complete Fraud!
These Hawaiian People need protection from the likes of Abdul/TBE/James Oliver Johnson III...
Check it out:
http://freehawaii.blogspot.com/search?q=Native+American+Chief
Friday, June 12, 2009
NATIVE AMERICAN CHIEF OPPOSES ALASKA BILL
Chief Tecumseh Brown Eagle of The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation today issued his Tribe's opposition to the proposed Alaska Bill now before the US Congress.
"Native Hawaiians are not American Indians!
To label Native Hawaiians as American Indians flies in the face of historical fact, truth, and the rule of law.
It also undermines the inherent right of all to retain their national identity.
If the national identity of Native Hawaiians can be wiped away with the stroke of a pen then all people everywhere may face the same fate....
...To enact the Alaska Bill would continue this abuse of the US Constitution and support the unconscionable illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii`i in 1893....
...I urge everyone to contact their US Senator and oppose this legislation."
Posted by The Koani Foundation at 12:00 AM
Labels: Alaska Bill, Aloha, Free Hawaii, Hawaiian Nation, Illegal Overthrow, Native American, Native Hawaiian, Political Identity, Sovereignty
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I checked this blog out didn't see any place to leave comments.
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I checked this blog out didn't see any place to leave comments.
https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=blogger&continue=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogger.com%2Floginz%3Fd%3D%252Fcreate-blog.g%26a%3DADD_SERVICE_FLAG&hl=en&sendvemail=true&followup=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogger.com%2Floginz%3Fd%3D%252Fhome%26a%3DSERVICE_ONLY&naui=8
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That website hadn't been updated in three years, until the post was sent in by the Koani Foundation. They're mentioned online as having organized the Aloha Marches. The KF's myspace page is gone. This site gives a phone # and PO box.
http://www.getfave.com/locations/5131621-the-koani-foundation
One name that keeps getting mentioned as part of the KF is Ehu Kakahu AKA Riley Cardwell. This site claims he's a haole (white) posing as Hawaiian who spreads false information about the independence cause. One of the commenters even claims to have tracked down his real name.
http://ohatruth.blogspot.com/2008/05/ehu-cardwellanother-key-liar-about-oha.html
A photo on his homepage suggests he has perhaps distant ancestry at best.
http://www.nomadsland.com/profile/EhuKekahuCardwell
Certainly he has every right to support sovereignty for Hawaiians, but why the likely fake Hawaiian name?
Still, if KF is more than just Cardwell's group (or even if it is) perhaps they may listen to avoid having their group used to give Johnson a legit appearance he doesn't deserve.
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That website hadn't been updated in three years, until the post was sent in by the Koani Foundation. They're mentioned online as having organized the Aloha Marches. The KF's myspace page is gone. This site gives a phone # and PO box.
http://www.getfave.com/locations/5131621-the-koani-foundation
One name that keeps getting mentioned as part of the KF is Ehu Kakahu AKA Riley Cardwell. This site claims he's a haole (white) posing as Hawaiian who spreads false information about the independence cause. One of the commenters even claims to have tracked down his real name.
http://ohatruth.blogspot.com/2008/05/ehu-cardwellanother-key-liar-about-oha.html
A photo on his homepage suggests he has perhaps distant ancestry at best.
http://www.nomadsland.com/profile/EhuKekahuCardwell
Certainly he has every right to support sovereignty for Hawaiians, but why the likely fake Hawaiian name?
Still, if KF is more than just Cardwell's group (or even if it is) perhaps they may listen to avoid having their group used to give Johnson a legit appearance he doesn't deserve.
Here is a way to contact them as well: freehawaii@earthlink.net
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Boy that guy sounds like a Game show host..looks like he might be irish..not native.
I just typed koani foundation on youtube
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TBE is NOT an Indian and not recognized by anyone but himself and his cohorts, what right does he have to speak on indigenous Hawaiian issues. This man has gone too far. Please put the word out, HE IS A FRAUD!
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This is about the "washitaw pow wow" from the Binay "tribe" site. These are TBE's people, they are the "ancient one" who "dugdamounds" dyah ( which I believe is Ebonics for "dug da mounds du wah" in the ancient language of the kemhet). These are some very crazy black folks, but the are not Indians...
SOLOMON’S SOVEREIGN GRAND LODGE #8, in association with Empire Washitaw de Dugdamoundyah presents a celebration in commemoration of Juneteenth Day Pow-Wow
A Time For FAITH, HOPE and CHARITY
· Opening, Friday June 19th a Day of Charity, Feed the Homeless and Poor People
11:00 am- 5 pm
· Saturday, June 20th Children Day, The Day of Hope, Activities, Fun, Games, etc.
11:00 am – 5 pm
· Sunday, June 21st A Day of Faith Atonement/ Rite of Passage. * Call For New Members. What is your faith?
11:00 am – 5 pm
SOLOMON’S
15404 Center Street
Harvey, IL. 60426
*Come Grow With Us * We Must Have Love & Unity * We Welcome Vendors, Entertainers, Drummers and Dancers.
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That doesn't call itself a powwow, only a Juneteenth celebration. For those of you outside the southern US, Juneteenth celebrates the day news of the emancipation of slavery came.
The Solomon Lodge is listed by a Mason website as a fraudulent group posing as Masons.
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http://66.194.37.95/morephonies.htm
The Black Community in the United States, more than any other group it seems, has been beset by the shams of 'fraudulent' Masonry. The material below will be more understandable by Americans who know the racial divide of their country than by those where men of all colors and creeds have always stood together as Masons.
We believe that there's a reasonable and rational explanation for this calumny in America. Black men have been involved with Freemasonry since Colonial times. Prince Hall, a 'Negro', became a Mason during the Revolutionary War and despite the segregation then rampant in a supposedly 'free' country, lodges of Black men grew and prospered. They were 'pillars of the community': business and political leaders amongst their segregated and oppressed people. Masonry was a uniting force in their separate and far less than equal community and the Freemasons helped develop new generations of leadership. (Additional information here.)
As invariable happens though, hucksters and opportunists observed the respect with which the Black community held up Freemasonry - and they determined to gain as a result. Gain they did, through the formation of 'make-believe' Masonic groups - created out of thin air, sometimes by disgruntled or overly ambitious ex-Masons and sometimes by those looking to make a quick buck. Following in the tradition where Prince Hall led his lodge/grand lodge for a lifetime, those lodges which drew their heritage from that source likewise had Grand Masters whose grip on the reigns of leadership would extend for decades, thus chafing the more aggressive who themselves wanted to be in charge.
And thus arose many groups, claiming to be Masons but having no legitimacy of origin (a matter of particular concern to Freemasonry with no one entitled to simply go off and start their own Masonic group), they were shunned within the Prince Hall Masonic community but were nevertheless successful in seducing many men into believing that they had really and truly become 'Masons'.
As we expanded our section on 'Fake Freemasonry', we asked the permission of Bro. Ralph L. McNeal, Jr., FPS, Director of the Phylaxis Society's Commission on Bogus Practices, an unofficial but highly respected group, to include their listing of these pseudo-Masonic groups here so that you could see how many will attempt to use Freemasonry for their own, usually selfish, ends. While these groups purport to be "Masonic", they have no legitimacy outside of their own VERY small circle. Should you choose to join one of these groups, you'll find that no one will accept you as a Mason (except the group itself) and that your hope of sharing friendship and fraternity worldwide will, instead, most likely result in ostracism and embarrassment.
The entire Masonic community appreciates the efforts of Bro. McNeal and the Commission in trying to eliminate the confusion which pseudo-masonic groups can cause. You'll find several of the Commission's reports right here and if you're interested in the sordid details of Bogus Freemasonry, you should definitely not miss their material!
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I took another look at the supposed proof Hopson sent of Johnson being a Mason. The certificate lists him as a member of Ancient Egyptian Arabic Order Nobles of the Mystic Shrine of North and South America and Jurisdictions Inc."
The actual Masons are simply the "Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine" none of the additional title added to confuse people into thinking them Masons. The actual Masons won a court order and damages for their misuse of their name. The second group, which Johnson's certificate says he is, is not the Shriners, which Johnson lies and claims to be.
Among other things, this second group Johnson claims to be a part of is believed to have been a big innfluence on "Noble Drew Ali," one of the founders of Moorish Science and the biggest influence on the Nation of Islam, Washitaws, and Nuwaubians.
So thanks to Ms. Hopson for unwittingly providing evidence (yet again) that Johnson is a liar.
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From the more phonies site, this link ties the Nuwaubian leader to pseudo Masonics. TBE has identifed himself with the Moorish Science and Drew...
http://66.194.37.95/york.htm
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TBE was at a conference of UFOlogists, paranormalists and conspiracy theorists last year sponsored by the new age talk show host, Mary Sutherland.
Do have a look at this site...
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/speaker-tecumseh.html
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My curiousity re: Cardwell was aroused, found this:
http://rileycardwellcoaching.com/articles.htm
I did some more googling and read some other material; Cardwell is a 1973 UH graduate and has worked in media, advertising, and TV. He was/is media director for the Koani Foundation, established by John "Butch" Kekahu a number of yrs ago. Kekahu has since crossed over; it is possible that he "hanai'd" (adopted) Riley Cardwell, a common practice in Hawaii; or possibly Cardwell took the name in respect as they worked together closely according to my reading.. "Ehu" is a Hawaiian word referring to the color red. He kind of creeps me out but he seems sincere in his support of Hawaiian soveriegnty. There is a lot of disagreement among activists and some of the criticism of Cardwell may be due to this (plus most locals don't want haoles telling them how to do their business.) TBE is probably just trying to improve his street cred by linking himself with Hawaiian soveriegnty issues.
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The first is a Stinson, and a Lillian Myers also signed this guestbook. These are likely HIS real relatives. The second is a Karate teacher who died and may be another way to self-validate, since the dead cannot speak?
Here's the data on both and some possible genealogy for Stinson:
TBE on legacy.com comment Ruth Stinson Fiovavanti:
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=2091777163702&cid=full
June 10, 2009
Sue, Pat, Donnie and family I am sorry for the loss of a Pillar of your family. Your
Mother has been a joy in everyone's life. Being Eastsiders and sending you all to public
school with the neighborhood children and you all being the minorities when you could
have easily have attended private school shows the character building qualities of
both of your parents. Thank you for sharing your great parents.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle eldest son of Chip and Othello Myers Johnson
~ Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Erie, Pennsylvania | Contact Me
Another relative Lillian Myers of Plainfield, Illinois posted:
sue while looking for my cousins obit i saw your mom's obit and i wanted to send you
and your family my condolences. i'll keep you in my prayers.
~ lillian myers-lofton
Marilyn Mueller of Louisville, KY:
Dear Susan, Patrick, and Donnie,
When dad called to tell me the news, I dropped the phone. No way could my godmother
be gone. I will always remember her and every thing she taught me. To this day, I still
tell my kids "to smile and choke on it." Ruthe will greatly be missed in my heart just
like Adam still is. I know that mom and Ruthe are finally able to catch up on everything.
Take good care of each other that's what family is all about.
~ Marilyn Mueller
Susan,Rick and family,
So sorry to hear about your mother. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
JoAn & Kelly
Nico and Family
I'm very sorry for your loss. Hope everyone is doing okay during this rough time. Wish
we could be there for you and your family.
~ Charlie Tuzynski Erie, PA
Susan, Patrick and Donnie,
So sorry about the loss of your Mom, the dear sweet Ruth. She has always been a part of
my life, the great character she is. Many fond memories of summer trips to Erie always
include Ruth and Adam. My parents adored your parents - friends forever. May she be at
peace and may you find comfort and peace at this time. She was a great lady. My thoughts
and prayers are with you at this time. My mom has gained a new buddy in heaven.
~ David Williams Louisville, KY
DON AND FAMILY SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS, MY MOM DIED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I KNOW HOW YOU AND
YOUR FAMILY FEELS, REMEMBER SHE IS "SAFELY HOME " AGAIN OUR PRAYERS AND THOUGHTS ARE
WITH ALL, GOD BLESS, CHRIS AND ANNETTE FUHRMAN
~ CHRIS FUHRMAN Erie, PA
Dear Susan, Patrick and Donnie, We are so sorry to hear about your Mom. She was a
wonderful lady and I will never forget her and her antics, she will be missed. Our
thoughts and prayers are with all of you. Lee and Cathy Underwood (Louisville, KY)
~ Cathy Underwood
Susan,Patrick ,Donnie..When I met your mother a few years ago,,wow what a pistol..she
had me laughing one minute, wanting to blush at another minute with the things she said
and her outlook on life..but underneath all that attitude , she could show love, caring
and tenderness..she and I became good friends..my husband and I will miss her ..but will
be better for having had her in our lives..and know now she can find peace..our prayers
are with you in the coming times..love Crystal and David Stablein
~ Crystal & David Stablein Erie, PA
My thoughts and prayers are with you in your time of grief. May your memories bring you
comfort.
~ Tom & Cindy Walko Harrisburg, PA
Susan and Family:
Our prayers and thoughts are with you at this time. We are sure that your mom is in a
beautiful place at this time.
~ Class of "1972" Academy High School,
Erie, PA
Pat, Toni, & the Family of Ruth,
We are sorry to hear of the passing of your mother. It is always hard to lose a parent.
We will be praying for you and your family during this time.
May God Bless you all
~ Diane & Lee Cottrell Henderson, Nevada
June 07, 2009
Susan and Family: We are so sorry to hear about the passing of your mom. She was chosen
to be with the Lord and is now looking after all of those who loved her and those who
have gone before her.
~ Eileen Alberstadt, Kennesaw, Georgia
And Caye Hume, Erie, PA
~ Eileen Alberstad Kennesaw, Georgia
Sue, Pat, Donnie and families, so sorry to hear about Ruth and not being able to see you all. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Marilyn & Sonny Sontheimer
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/erietimesnews/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=128090550
Ruth Stinson Fioravanti ShareE-mail Visit Guest Book
Ruth Stinson Fioravanti Ruth Stinson Fioravanti, 79, of Erie, died Friday evening June 5,
2009 at Hamot Medical Center. A resident of Erie all of her life, she was born in Erie
on May 22, 1930 a daughter of the late Reed and Lucille Roth Stinson. Ruth was a 1948
graduate of Academy High School and went on to graduate from Hamot Nursing School. She
began as a nurse for many years at Hamot Medical Center and went on to become a Visiting
Nurse. She had also been a nurse for many years with Dr. Bales. She was a member of
Garden Heights Baptist Church, Holy Rosary Catholic Church, and the Siebenbuerger Club.
She enjoyed sewing for many years and ceramics. In addition to her parents, she was
preceded in death by her husband of 53 years, Adam A. Fioravanti, Jr.; and three
brothers, Reed, William, and James Stinson. Survivors include one daughter, Susan
Fioravanti-Weaver and her husband Richard of Erie; two sons, Patrick Fioravanti and
his wife Toni of Greene Twp., and Donald Fioravanti and his wife Kristie of Erie; and
five grandchildren, Gina, Anthony, and Angela Weaver, and Adam and Nico Fioravanti.
Many nieces and nephews also survive. Friends may call at the Russell C. Schmidt & Son
Funeral Home Inc., 5000 Wattsburg Road (corner of East Gore and Pine Ave.) on Monday
from 6 to 9 p.m. and are invited to services there on Tuesday morning at 10:00 a.m.
officiated by Rev. Dwight Wagner, Pastor of Garden Heights Baptist Church. Burial will
be in Laurel Hill Cemetery. Sign the guestbook at www.GoErie.com/obits
Published in the Erie Times-News from 6/7 to 6/8/2009
Adam Fioravanti of Erie, PA:
Retired UE Leader In General Electric Dies
Adam Fioravanti had been a long-time union leader at the big Erie GE plant.Full Story...
http://www.ueunion.org/uenewsupdates.html?news=221
Retired UE Leader In General Electric Dies02 September, 2005
Erie, PA
Adam A. Fioravanti Jr., retired business agent of UE Local 506, died August 31. He was 75.
He was recalled by the current business agent, Patrick Rafferty, as "Our friend, mentor and brother."
Born in Derry, Pa., Fioravanti moved to Erie in 1947 after high school. After service in the U.S. Army, Fioravanti was hired at the big General Electric plant and became active in the union. He was employed by GE for 38 years.
He served as chief steward of Building 17. Elected as business agent in 1977, he served in that position for 12 years.
In addition to the daily responsibilities of assisting co-workers with on-the-job problems, Fioravanti represented GE workers four times in national negotiations with the company. He also represented his co-workers at the UE national convention, UE District Council and UE-GE Conference Board.
Fioravanti retired in 1989.
(HUSBAND of "minority" Ruth Stinson Fioravanti as per OBIT above;
Adam A. Fioravanti, Jr. appears Caucasion or posibly Italian? See picture.)
http://www.uelocal506.org/feb2008506newsp3.pdf (picture of Adam Fioravanti)
To all of Local 506,
Thank you ever so much for having such a beautiful dedication
ceremony for our father (Adam). It was so nice that 2 years later,
everyone still remembers him as he was, a great man.
Best Regards, Rick, Susan, Gina, Anthony
and Angela, Patrick and Toni,
Don, Adam and Nico
UE Nation News Editor Al Hart is shown
with the plaque dedicated in the honor of
former Business Agent Adam Fioravanti. Al
worked with Adam during the 1970s and
80s.
(Note: TBE/Abdul/JOJIII's UNION contracts and Minority jobs with Greg Rubino's
Erie Renewable Energy, LLC!)
Fioravanti (Brian) property transfers 2007, Erie, PA:
of http://www.scribd.com/doc/6831287/Erie-County-PA-Property-Transfers-for-March-2007
Appears to be a large number of people who collectively purchased a large number of properties?
Niko Fioravanti on Google images:
Blue eyed, light skinned male on Face Book?
More on STINSON as possible African American Relative from Wayman Tisdale obit/guestbook:
My Condolences to the family of Wayman Tisdale. I have a CD of Mr. Tisdale's that I
listen to at my desk "decisions", and I love it. I play it all the time. May God Bless
and keep the Tisdale Family and give them peace and comfort.
~ Ora Stinson CLEVELAND OHIO
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/guestbookentryprint.aspx?bookId=1258552745636
(Has many pictures of African Americans)
(Cleveland, OH is where Brown Eagle Construction is located)
More STINSON in Erie, PA: (may or may not be related to James Oliver Myers-Johnson III)
(there is also Stinson Rental Properties; Erie, PA)
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~paerie/newspaper/MoreErieObits.htm
STINSON – February 25, 1920, John Stinson, aged 76 years. Friends are invited to call
at the family residence, 124 east 26th Street, Saturday evening. Services and interment
private Sunday afternoon.
Fioravanti
found in a case in PA but needs a subscription:
5/15/2007 5:17:08 PM Comm. v. Fioravanti, O., No. 9eal2007
9eal2007.pdf
Another Fioravanti Fraud case found:
A party seeking to establish that it was denied a fair hearing, or that their
was fraud, corruption, or misconduct must do so by “clear, precise and indubitable
evidence”. Allstate Insurance Co. v. Fioravanti, 299 A.2d 585 (Pa. 1973).
file http://www.margolisedelstein.com/files/gallogly_arbitration_in_pa_6-06.pdf
Other Fioravanti genealogy found:
My greatgrandparents were Emidio FIORAVANTI and Francesca PARLAFANTI. They were farmers
in Civitella del Tronto. My grandfather, Guido, born in 1897, emigrated to the USA in
1914. He had a brother named Alfredo, who emigrated earlier and lived in Chicago,
Illinois, and a brother named Arturo, who stayed in Civitella. He may have had a sister
named Maria. There could also have been a brother or cousin named Bernardino,born 1890.
There was a Bernardino on the ship's list, also from Civitella. The researcher didn't
provide me with the details, as I was looking only for Guido. Guido's last residence,
according to the ship's manifest, was Borrano.
Would like to make contact with anyone recognizing these names.
Lynn Prettyman <marylindsay1-change-this-to-at-home.com>
Baltimore, MD USA
African American Stinson Genealogy found:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/stinson/messages/2256.html
Looking for relatives of Ernest Stinson.
ERNEST1 STINSON was born 1892 in Chester, Chester County, SC. He married ORA CUMMINGHAM. She was born 1894 in Chester.
Children of ERNEST STINSON and ORA CUMMINGHAM are:
2. i. JOSEPH2 STINSON, b. 02 Jan 1915, Fort Lawn, Chester, SC; d. 01 Feb 1969, East Spencer, Rowan County, NC.
ii. ELLMORE STINSON.
iii. JESSIE B STINSON, b. 1908.
iv. ERNEST STINSON, JR.
v. WILLIE STINSON, b. 1918, Landsford, Chester, SC.
vi. OBEDIA STINSON.
vii. LEE STINSON.
viii. CHRISTINE STINSON, b. 1917.
ix. ANNIE L STINSON, b. 1922.
Generation No. 2
2. JOSEPH2 STINSON (ERNEST1) was born 02 Jan 1915 in Fort Lawn, Chester, SC, and died 01 Feb 1969 in East Spencer, Rowan County, NC. He married ETOY BRADLEY 27 Mar 1937 in Fort Lawn, Lancaster County, SC, daughter of MAJOR MCCOLLOUGH and AMELIA. She was born 24 Jul 1919 in Chester County, SC, and died 18 Jan 1978 in Rowan County, NC.
More About ETOY BRADLEY:
Burial: 22 Jan 1978, Shady Grove Baptist Church Cemetry, East Spencer, NC
Children of JOSEPH STINSON and ETOY BRADLEY are:
3. i. GENEVA3 STINSON, b. Salisbury.
ii. ROBERT BRADLEY.
iii. ODELL STINSON.
iv. JESSE JAMES STINSON.
v. ERNESTINE STINSON.
vi. EMMA STINSON.
4. vii. TOBY STINSON, b. 17 Nov 1947; d. 24 Sep 1996, Rowan County, NC.
Could number two (2) above be a relative of Ora Stinson from obit guestbook?
Notice this is the South/much of TBE/Abdul/JOJII's genealogy points south to some of these
states in his "skeleton genealogy" as ms. Hopson puts it.
Another recent post on Legacy.com: (appears he is validating himself via the deaths of others?)
Guessing this Cliff Loibl (German) was somehow TBE/JOJIII's Karate teacher?
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/erietimesnews/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=128057226
(Link will be gone soon!)
http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=2091777130378&cid=full
Clifford R. Loibl This Guest Book will remain online until 7/6/2009
Most Recent Entries June 12, 2009
Cliff, my second dad! I am truly grateful for having you be a part of my life. Thank you for welcoming me with open arms into your family. I will be forever grateful. You are and always will be loved and greatly missed.
~ Sheena, Erie, Pennsylvania | Contact Me June 10, 2009
***************TBE's Guestbook comment/self promoting? But can Cliff say,
"I don't know you" Also, he previously said he was the First Native American U.S. Olympic
Champion for Tae Kwon Doe NOT Karate? Of course we have the info;
that statement is NOT true.)*****************************************
Sensi Sehan Cliff
Thank you for displaying the true spirit of the martial arts that being -universal love.
You are sadly missed and forever remembered.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle,
USA Karate Team 1987-88
~ Tecumseh Brown-Eagle, Erie, Pennsylvania | Contact Me June 10, 2009
(leaving all comments here so far for possible affiliated names as they may also be
relatives or friends/
associates of Abdul's.)
Cliff, You were a good friend and a man with a generous gentle heart. You will be missed.
~ Charlie and Jenise Morgante, North East, Pennsylvania June 10, 2009
Dear Ingeborg and Family,
May God bless you and your family in this time of sorrow. May the love of friends and family carry you through this most difficult time. Cliff was a very dear friend of ours. We will miss him.
Sincerely, Michael & Pamela Skrekla & Family
~ Michael & Pamela Skrekla, North East, Pennsylvania June 09, 2009
To the family of Cliff,with too many last names,.....at a time when dicipline was needed in my house....his Dojo was my bridge.He lived life....that is the lesson...later Sensi...Roger Zaczyk
Obituary of Clifford Loibl (AKA Clifford R. Slater; Why did he change his name? Seems
alot of name changing going on in Abdul's cirle!):
Clifford R. Loibl Unfaltering Father Clifford R. Loibl, also known as (Clifford R. Slater)
age 54, of Erie, died unexpectedly Thursday, June 4, 2009 at Hamot Medical Center. Born
in Regensburg, Germany on May 4, 1955 he was a son of Ingeborg Loibl Taraszki and the
late Ronald B. Taraszki, who died the same day. Cliff was a graduate of Strong Vincent
High School, Class of 1973 and had attended Mercyhurst College. He had worked in
Maintenance at General Electric and was a Master Black Belt and Instructor of Shotokan
Martial Arts. He loved spending time with his children and was a devoted father. In
addition to his mother, Ingeborg, he is survived by his four children, Kurt M. Slater,
Jillian E. Slater, Devon J. Bowes, and Ashley L Loibl; his brother James Slater and
sister Misty Hollingsworth; his aunt, Wendy L. Buzzanco and her husband Robert; and his
uncle. Ricky J. Taraszki and his wife Cindy, all of Erie. Friends may call at the
Burton Funeral Home and Crematory Inc., 602 west 10th Street on Wednesday from 2 to
5 p.m. and from 7 p.m. until the time of services at 8 p.m. with the Reverend Derek
Sanford officiating Burial will be private. Memorials may be made to The American Heart
Association 823 Filmore Erie, PA 16505 or The American Diabetes Association of Erie
County 1128 State Street Erie, PA 16501. Send condolences at www.Burtonfuneralhome.com.
Sign the guestbook at www.GoErie.com/obits
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TBE is tied to Steve Pruitt, a black nationalist who has organised the reparations movement. As a person with some black ancestry, I find the whole concept of reparations to be totally repugnant, just another rip off that would destroy the US economy. TBE and Pruitt are part of what I call the AfroAmerican welfare elite.
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-lKvVajY2YrZkiUKb1iVDez0A?p=123
These people are not Indians although the may claim to be. Notice how Pruitt refers to "blood Indians", these people are just racists who have nothing but contempt for Indian people. Please spread the word. I have left a few yahoogroups because they wouldn't post the truth about TBE, one of those groups is Indigenous Literature, G.Welker the owner, believes TBE's lies. Other Indian groups have also fallen for TBE's lies. I determined years ago that most yahoogroups calling themselves "Indian" aren't Indian at all. I think that when Indians support these racist wannabees that we're losing the battle against frauds.
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Found this today on the Binay "tribe"...
"BlackIndians & InterTribal Native American Association"
U.S./Canada--*Old url here, may be slow to load. The "Binay tribe," headed by self-proclaimed "Chief Jerry Eaglefeather," is not at all a real tribe. "Located across the United States and Canada, including members in Hawaii, and even Europe." Red Flag right there. Information goes on to say they are "a prestigious Native American Intertribal organization." They are simply an "association" for blacks who claim to have Native heritage whether they actually have it or not. The application to join has a space to include your tribal affiliation, but they go on to say "If you don't know this, please put that you don't know or the tribes you believe from information you gathered or what you have heard from parents or grandparents." They request no actual proof. They are not a tribe yet they still pick chiefs and give themselves "Indian names." This is no different then other groups who do this, though people will often overlook all black groups who form similar associations and claim to be Indians though it should not be excused anymore then the others.
Even though they are only a widespread "association" this group is also making up unofficial (fake) "Tribal Rolls" and claim that "bands" are being formed in those given states. They also appear to have plenty to sell you online, as well as a personals service. Be forewarned that this "tribe" charges $25.00 per month to be a part of their group, on top of a $20.00 application fee and first months dues of $45.00. DO NOT be fooled by this group, who are associated with "Monroe Enterprises," they are FAKE and only looking to take your money.
Words from a former member Or it if ever disappears, click here.
Example of this group's fake "membership card"
Afraid of being called fake? The text clearly seems to be an attempt to protect their fraudulent, culture thieving ways.
*Note: Please see my further commentary of this group's "benifits" page.
"New Apache Sauce" by Binay Chief Eaglefeather, from the heart
of Wannabe Apache homeland...Harrisburg, PA. (Which it's not.)
UPDATE (6/24/08): "The Next Step in Completing your membership" This page lists all the "suggested" ways you can pay to join the fake "tribe." All of which are monthly payments, plus an application fee that stupidly varies, which makes NO sense. Of course, when you click on a "subscribe" button you are told that it is $30 for the first month. OR you can choose to "pay life time membership of $300.00 and receive a research packet along with the $1600.00 in amenities. Plus a Free T-Shirt & CD." (Plus shipping and handling of $63) Oh boy! So when it comes down to it, they are certainly in the business of just making money off gullible people who are desperate to belong to a "tribe."
Although for some reason the site states they are not currently taking applications and that their (fake) "trible rolls" are closed. Which is kind of weird because the site is still accepting money. In fact this other link has yet more payment options not listed on the previous page. Including current limited time reduced fee offers. Yet the lifetime offer on THIS page is suddenly about $400, with shipping and handling of over $83. What gives, are they shipping you an end table?
No refunds. Naturally. "You must try and make at least 1 gathering event a year." Why? "You must NOT misuse your Tribal Card. If you do, your membership will be canceled without refund." And what on earth way could you even misuse a FAKE "tribe" card? By being an idiot, buying into this, and letting real native people see it, trying to use it to "get in to stuff," because you are gullible enough to think it's real? "Once you are a member you will need to install the tribal community toolbar in your browser." Again, why? Because that's just kind of stupid.
"New Apache Sauce"
UPDATE (9/25/08): Please note that this whole group is clearly primarily a business ploy, all designed to get money out of people (including gullible wannabes). They could not possibly make it anymore clear when they say... "We are now offering a special membership to Binay tribe. This is a win, win opportunity for you. When you sign up under us with the Black Business Builders, your Binay membership will be included."
Apache Sauce.com
Pennsylvania--Wannabe Binay Chief Eaglefeather has created a new sauce for you! His "homemade Apache sauce" that he created five years ago to "taste good on just about everything and make you remember what you had eaten." But if it's just as full of bull**** as he and his fake tribe are, then I would pass! Even the "reviews" sound pretty made up.
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Welker is tied to Princess Pale Moon AKA Rita Mae Suntz so his credibility is not the greatest. He runs Indians.org, the site owned by the American Indian Heritage Foundation, founded and owned by Suntz. Recall also that Suntz's son is an extremist militia member, one of the phony Little Shell Pembinas.
But even so, that hasn't stopped someone on his yahoo group from bravely challenging Johnson. A member of the Hawaiian sovereignty movement has denounced Johnson as a New Age fraud.
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Tecumseh Brown Eagle AKA Abdul Abdullah Muhammed AKA James Johnson who claims to be the Chief of a phony black tribe, the Erie Moundbuilders (dugyadamounduya, of the Washitaw Empire) is now opposing the Hawaiian native people's indigenous rights. He has been exposed by Canadians and Americans as a new age fraud and a black supremacist. This is from members of New Age Fraud
and Plastic Shamans. Please spread the word about Tecumseh Brown Eagle and his phony black tribe...
Aloha mai no kakou! Greetings to you all!
Mahalo to you for allowing me to join your group. I appreciate the opportunity
to read your posts regarding James O. Johnson III and his shameless sham.
New Age Fraud has reared it's ugly head again and has come to Hawai`i.
There was a post on a Indigenous Hawaiian forum www.maoliworld.com
It was a post from a guy from Erie, PA J. D`Alba is his name. He posted a
message from the Chief of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation. I got
suspicious with the use of Tecumseh's name and of the Moundbuilders Tribal
Nation Being a graduate student in American Indian Studies with prior
knowledge all the phonies trying to form "tribes" for financial gain, I quickly reviewed
the posts on the New Age fraud forum.
I believe that J. D`Alba may be a follower since his posts from Erie, PA. and
seems to discredit what I post regarding the information from the New Age
Forum.
TBE is trying to give his support to Kanaka Maoli in their struggle against
the Akaka Bill, which would give federal recognition to Maoli. Ordinarily,
Hawaiian Nationalists would welcome support against this bill, but I don't think they
would want a scammer's support.
With your permission, I will post the order from the Council of Erie Indians
for TBE to cease and desist. If anyone else would like to post their mana`o
(thoughts) on this guy, you would have to join www.maoliworld.com
In my application to this group, I didn't have room to explain who I am. I am
a 3rd generation Japanese, with Kanaka Maoli children. We are actively involved
in the Hawaiian Language Immersion Program, and committed to sovereignty and
independence of our Nation. I am studying Indian Nations' history so as to support in
solidarity, our common goals of freedom and affirmation of indigenous rights.
Mahalo again- Naone Morinaga-Kama
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Found his posts further denouncing Johnson.
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http://www.maoliworld.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2011971%3ABlogPost%3A196711&page=1#comment-2011971_Comment_196745
Comment by naone morinaga on June 12, 2009 at 9:44am Aloha, Free Hawai`i and MaoliWorld members,
I am posting this out of respect for Kanaka Maoli and my Indian friends and relatives. I am a graduate student in American Indian Studies and have lived in Indian Country for a few years. I would submit to you all that "Chief" Tecumseh Brown Eagle is not a chairman of a federally recognized Indian Nation as he claims to be. There are over 67 pages of posts on a web site...This specific post specifically disawows any association with Tecumseh Brown Eagle and the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation by David Redwolf the Taiaiak`on (Toronto)Historic Preservation Services Director http://newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2137.35;wap2
Moreover, Tecumseh Brown Eagle aka Abdul Abdullah-Muhammed www.aopc.org/OpPosting/Supreme/out/521wal2006.pdf has tried to apply for membership in various Indian Nations such as the Seminole and the Saponi tribes to no avail. He operates a business Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation, LLC. which says it is T.E.R.O. certified ( Tribal Emploument Rights Ordinances)
which means that a federally recognized tribe's TERO commission certified him as a legitimate federally recognized Indian contractor. I ask which tribe certified him, or was it his own "tribe" who certified him, who really can't since they aren't federally recognized.
Read the 76 pages of posts from a woman from Tyendinaga Mohawk territory, where the clan mothers called him out for using a geneaology that was not his. There other posts and web pages that show his relationship to new age religion and Nation of Islam protocol. Why doesn't he just come out and say he is Nation of Islam; what is his motivation to claim Indian koko? Read the posts and decide. Mahalo for your time. naone
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http://www.maoliworld.com/forum/topics/erie-indian-moundbuilders?page=1&commentId=2011971%3AComment%3A196648&x=1#2011971Comment196648
Reply by naone morinaga on June 11, 2009 at 2:17pm
Aloha, J. d'Alba-
Who is Tecumseh Brown Eagle? And how did he become chairman of the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation? Self-proclaimed - as research into his identity show that he is Abdul Abdullah Mohammed - a member of the Washitaw/Nuwabian group. Is he really of the Nation of Islam? If he is, why does he not represent himself as such. From what I have read, he is not Indian and has been passing around geneaology that is not his; officials from the Tyendinaga Mohawk Nation know of this fraud. The Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal nation is a LLC, that offers business consulting
services, most notably in the area of Indian gaming. Tecumseh Brown Eagle last year came out in support of Issue 6 in Ohio, that would support a ballot initiative to establish a casino in western Ohio.
Maoliworld members - be careful of those from Indian Country, who claim Indian heritage but do not have the koko - they just want to benefit from Indian status, especially with gaming and make money for the few "tribal members". It's fraud and a scam. http://blogs.dixcdn.com/capitalblog/?p=5453
Mahalo, Naone
Reply by naone morinaga on June 12, 2009 at 11:42am
Aloha, J.D`Alba-
If you google Tecumseh Brown Eagle - you will see a site devoted to new age fraud www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2135.0;wap2 and you will see his alias. and if you look further tothe Supreme Court of Pennsylvania page that shows he did change his name from Abdul Abdullah-Muhammed tpo Tecumseh Brown Eagle. www.aopc.org/OpPosting/Supreme/out/521wal2006.pdf.
Note on page 8 of the new age fraud posts, that David Redwolf, Director of Taiaiagon (Toronto) Historic Preservation Services disavowed any association with Tecumseh Brown Eagle and the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation and its 139 members.
In the book, THE RIGHTS OF INDIANS AND TRIBES: the Authoritative ACLU Guide to Indian and Tribal Rights by Stephen Pevar (ACLU) in appendix F. as of 2005, or on the BIA website www.bia.gov/docs/TribalLeadersDirectoryWinter2009.pdf
there is no listing for the Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation under federally recognized tribes nor Tecumseh Brown Eagleas a tribal chairman, chief. In fact there are no tribes in Ohio nor Pennsylvania that are federally recognized. The Shawnee, United Remnant Band is the only State of Ohio recognized tribe, but that is under debate.
In order to be recognized, the tribe would have had to have a land base at the time of the Indian Reorganization Act (Wheeler-Howard Act) of 1934. Since the Erie Indians were initally defeated by the Iroquois in 1656, and were thence absorbed into the Seneca. some escaped but it wasn't until 1680, when Iroquois finally defeated them. So to have been recognized as a tribe the Erie would have had to have a land base, which they didn't.
The constitution posted on the EIMTN website was not ratified nor approved by the Secretary of the Interior, as it is one of the requirements for federal recognition. As I said before, the EIMTN is a limited liability corporation not a tribal nation or entity. Read the posts and decide......Mahalo for your time given this matter, Naone
Reply by naone morinaga on June 12, 2009 at 1:05pm
Aloha - J. D`Alba-
Bottom line, if he is claiming T.E.R.O(Tribal Employment Rights Ordinances) certification as an legitimate federally recognized Indian business/contractor as he is doing, he will get Indian preference when it comes to bidding on government contracts like for training minorities. If he is not Indian, basically he is stealing employment and contracts from bonafide T.E.R.O. Commission- certified Indian employers/businesses. That is fraudulent business practice.
Mahalo, Naone
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TBE himself posted this in Indigenous Peoples Literature. I love being called a racist by a racist, it shows that I struck a nerve.Iam waiting to see the proof that TBE is going to post about his "bloodlines". Damn the man has claimed to be descended from everyone except Jesus so I'm looking forward to hi "proof"...
Thank you
Thank you to the Indigenous Peoples Literature Group. Thank you for not allowing
racist in the "Newagefraud" site to attack me in your forums. I will soon email
all of the proof as to my bloodline and more.
Peace and Universal Love to all.
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
814-572-4137
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TBE himself posted this in Indigenous Peoples Literature. I love being called a racist by a racist, it shows that I struck a nerve.Iam waiting to see the proof that TBE is going to post about his "bloodlines". Damn the man has claimed to be descended from everyone except Jesus so I'm looking forward to hi "proof"...
Thank you
Thank you to the Indigenous Peoples Literature Group. Thank you for not allowing
racist in the "Newagefraud" site to attack me in your forums. I will soon email
all of the proof as to my bloodline and more.
Peace and Universal Love to all.
Chief Tecumseh Brown-Eagle
Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation
814-572-4137
We have seen his so-called proof already... his proof is all OTAH!!
Niiki from Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory
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The fact that some Indian people still believe this man is really the issue. As long as parasites like TBE can still get people to support him he can convince he wins. Get the word out and for those folks here in Canada let everyone know about TBE. I'm still doing research and will post everything I find. But its really up to members to spread the word.
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Don has been one of the few people working on this thread, other than Al. Don't you think you might be shooting yourself in the foot to attack him?
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I'm hardly shooting myself in the foot and in fact I'm trying to research the other groups TBE is affiliated with. I hope that Niiki is able to find more info. This thread was side tracked by the Renz thread, and I hope that folks are still concerned about TBE as well as Renz who also appears to be a fraud or someone who has fraudulently stolen a family history. All frauds have ulterior motives and it isn't always easy to find...
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Speaking for Myself I'm still concerned about TBE, but i haven't found anything new.
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I'm hardly shooting myself in the foot and in fact I'm trying to research the other groups TBE is affiliated with. I hope that Niiki is able to find more info. This thread was side tracked by the Renz thread, and I hope that folks are still concerned about TBE as well as Renz who also appears to be a fraud or someone who has fraudulently stolen a family history. All frauds have ulterior motives and it isn't always easy to find...
Don, that post was directed at Niiki. She copied and pasted posts you'd made on another forum (where you were arguing with crazyeagle), your resume, and your name onto this thread; the same things she posted on the Walter Renz thread. I guess she was upset with you because you asked her why she'd changed her mind about Renz. In her anger, she had started to attack anyone who questioned Renz. After Al deleted Niiki's last post on this thread, I can see how you misinterpreted my post.
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Forgive my confusion,but this thread seems to have morphed into the Renz thread.
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I wanted to add this to the TBE thread. The Washitaw/Nuwaubians who call themselves "mound builders" and believe that they were original indigenous people of the Americas, like TBE and his "tribe". They produced this video, it is actually quite funny because they claim to have come to the Americas during Pangea, when all continents were linked. They claim that the slave trade didn't happen and that "red Indians" sold them to white colonists.The problem is that Pangea was 100s of million years before the first homo sapiens existed (200,000 years ago). This is what they all base their claims on, and their claims include the entire Louisiana territory, under their Empress Verdice Bey and over 20 "quadrillion" in reparations. Thats right "quadrillion"!....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkoNtMFPxwQ&feature=related
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Tecumseh Brown Eagle an the phony tribe Erie Mound Builders (dugdamoundsduyah) Nuwaubians are running an online casino and trying to get a casino in Ohio claiming to be the original inhabitants of all the lands from the Mississippi to the Great Lakes...
http://www.gothcasino.com/tag/brown-eagle/
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I have reached the conclusion that both Tecumseh Brown Eagle and Niiki (Walter Renz) are both frauds. Niiki really had us going until Keely showed up. It is really disgusting that both these people are clearly no aboriginal and are only interested in getting paid and recognised, when they are NOT aboriginal.
I am particularly disgusted by Niiki, a non aboriginal who got caught. Its time to move "Niiki" and Renz to frauds...
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Has anyone seen either Renz or TBE DNA tests? This is why TBE is a fraud...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWzsSg4TUMw
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More new age connections to Tecumseh Brown Eagle...
http://www.templeofsakkara.com/conference_files/2007/conference_with_2007_audiolist.htm
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This is a review of Van Sertima that totatlly disproves the concept that all these "original black indigenous" people are based on, the "moundbuilders", washitaw, nuwaubians, moors, black indians.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2LCZXW36ZS5IU
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More on the infamous Tecumseh Brown Eagle. He is representing himsel as a "Native American" at an interfaith conference in Erie, PA. In the photo he appears to be wearing a clerical collar, does that mean that he's now genuine "Native" spritual leader?
http://reprints.goerie.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26830140&event=893024&CategoryID=55767
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More on the infamous Tecumseh Brown Eagle. He is representing himsel as a "Native American" at an interfaith conference in Erie, PA. In the photo he appears to be wearing a clerical collar, does that mean that he's now genuine "Native" spritual leader?
http://reprints.goerie.com/mycapture/enlarge.asp?image=26830140&event=893024&CategoryID=55767
Hey Don, Do you know anyone from the PYM who went to this? I talked to the Indian Committee and Peace and Outreach and nobody has heard of him...yet. I've been advising the Indian Committee lately. They now call me when approached by questionable people, but I think since he's now involved in interfaith activities the whole PYM should be warned.
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Link that states there were no Erie left after 1680. The Erie Nation is extinct!
Four Directions Institute...http://www.fourdir.com/erie.htm
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This is from Maoliworld on the Erie Moundbuilders and Tecumseh Brown Eagle...
http://www.maoliworld.com/main/search/search?q=tecumseh+brown+eagle
Happy New Year
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Excellent video by Jaime Andres disproving all the black Indian precolumbian presence mythology.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Salsassin#p/u/29/-k2-K6nA_F4
Tecumseh Brown Eagle is a Washitaw/Muur claiming to be of Indian blood as this thread has proven, that is a lie. Has made claims of being not only Indian but also descended from the "royal houses of Europe", Knights Templar, Cathars and even extra terrestrials. Now this fraud is trying to get a gaming license as a legitimate Indian tribe. This other insane non Indian in Ohio, Renz is pissed off because he's a white man trying to get the same thing, with his stolen biography and family history. Just how far will these people go...
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I have found a series of videos on the Washitaw myths and will post them later today.
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Here is the youtube site...
http://www.youtube.com/user/Salsassin
There is a good video on the Cherokee Blackfoot Cultural Center
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More on the Washistaw mythology...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhWeMl4LZzI&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-12-HM
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This is from the Binay site blackindiansopenforum@yahoogroups.com from the Washitaw "messiah" Dwight York, now in federal prison for 135 years.
York and his disciples claim that he was born on Planet Rizq and has been reincarnated many times. He also claims to be a direct descendant of York Clarks slave(Lewis an Clark) and a Indian woman. Tecumseh Brown Eagle and many of the Binay are followers of York and the Washitaw/Nuwaubian mythology.
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Hakeem Qasim <kosmokazee@yahoo. com>
To: kosmokazee@yahoo. com
Sent: Sun, January 17, 2010 8:14:21 PM
Subject: BLOOD LUST!
EXCERPT FROM LETTER FROM DR. MALACHI K. YORK:
DATED:11-10- 2004
" BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU DRINK AND EAT. HE HAS ALTERED THINGS. IT MAY LOOK LIKE MILK AND NOT BE, OR LIKE BREAD AND NOT BE. HE IS PUTTING BLOOD IN COFFEE, NOW IN SODAS. HE NEEDS US TO TASTE BLOOD BECAUSE WE MIXED IN WITH HIM, AND THE BLOOD WILL ENFORCE THE SPELL ON US TO SERVE THEM. STOP EATING BLOOD MEAT. IT'S YOUR CHOICE."
Daybreakers- Blood Riot:
NOW.TRUTH CONFIRMED!
click link below
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=B6M4L7J- HoU
The above link is from the 2009 movie 'Daybreaker' .
Movie Description:
In the year 2019, a plague has transformed most every human into vampires. Faced with a dwindling blood supply, the fractured dominant race plots their survival; meanwhile, a researcher works with a covert band of vamps on a way to save humankind.
Eat your heart out, Dracula - scientists turn blood into biscuits and chocolate
By Karyn Miller, Chris Stephen and Michael Mainville
(Filed: 01/08/2004)
It has always been the staple and highly nutritious food of vampires even if a diet consisting entirely of blood could hardly be considered balanced. But now scientists have found a way of turning it into biscuits, yoghurts and drinks.
The scientists, from the Voronezh State Technological Academy in Russia, say that mass production could begin in six months. They also say that their blood-based foods taste as good as the real thing.
Dr Ludmila Antipova, the head of the academy's Department of Meat and Meat Products, said: 'When we were first working on the project we had 16 students involved, and the main problem was that they would keep eating the experiments.
'People should not be apprehensive. When you eat meat, there is
blood in that.'
Dr Antipova and her team decided to find a way to use blood 12 years ago after learning that a local meat plant discarded up to seven tons of it daily.
This week, The Telegraph visited their laboratories. There, staff
presented a snack - 'chocolate'- filled biscuits and a vanilla-
flavoured 'yoghurt' drink.
The 'chocolate' filling was made from cow blood cells, sugar and
chocolate flavouring. The 'yoghurt' drink contained no dairy
products, but was plasma extracted from cow blood and treated with bacteria to give a creamy appearance, with sugar, preservatives and flavourings.
The products looked and tasted like chocolate biscuits and vanilla milkshake, it was impossible to tell that either contained blood. They were delicious.
Blood has long been used to make black pudding, but for this new range of foods it is separated into its components: red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma.
The plasma is used to make yoghurt and fermented drinks. The recipe for dairy yoghurt is followed: plasma is substituted for the milk and heated. Bacterial cultures are added to it, and a yoghurt-type substance forms.
To make chocolate, a paste of red blood cells is exposed to oxygen to turn it brown. It is then substituted for the cocoa butter or vegetable fats with which chocolate is usually made. Coffee drinks are made using a similar method.
The processed food industry has been identified as a potential
market because the blood products are up to five times less expensive to manufacture than their dairy equivalents.
The products contain virtually no fat, and red blood cells are a rich source of iron. Yoghurt made with plasma contains up to twice as much protein as dairy yoghurt.
It is not yet clear whether the food products will go on sale in
Britain.
A spokesman for the Food Standards Agency said: 'It is quite
difficult to say anything at present without knowing a lot more
about these products. This is a whole new territory for us.'
She said that the foods would be tested and assessed before they were allowed to go on sale in Britain.
Eric Dickinson, a professor of food colloids at the University of
Leeds, said: 'It doesn't sound implausible. Blood is a cheap, under-used source of protein.'
Representatives from the British food and drink industry expressed doubts about the popularity of food made from blood, however.
Maurice Walton, the executive director of the Society of Dairy
Technology, which represents dairy workers, said: 'I don't think
that these products would take off here in the UK. Consumers would be fearful and distrustful. There would be worries about BSE and other diseases.'
Dr Antipova accepted that consumer reaction could pose a
challenge: 'You don't have to say that it is a blood product - you
can say that the product contains blood materials.'
Austen Davies, a black pudding producer from Cumbria, was bemused by all the fuss. 'I wouldn't be put off in the slightest,' he said.
'Blood is a life force - of course it's good for you. 'No part of an
animal's body is a less valid source of nutrition than another.'
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Johnson/TBE is now passing himself off as a lecturer on Native cultures.
https://www.jeserie.org/about/lecturers/-tecumseh-brown-eagle-bs
I'm writing to the staff of this educational society, listed below, and encourage others to do the same. I'm pretty sure they don't want the humiliation of a Black supremacist imposter and conspiracy theorist passing as NDN, who also has ties to organized crime, associated with their organization.
Ferki Ferati, M.A. Vice President and Executive Director ferati@jeserie.org
Sara L. Breese, M.A. JES Program Director breese@jeserie.org
Arin Donelson, M.P.A Associate Director of Public Communications donelson@jeserie.org
Johnson apparently was fired from his job for the county for "being lost in his fantasies." Naturally he's claiming persecution and wants money.
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http://www.goerie.com/article/20121225/NEWS02/312249926/Ex-caseworker-sues-Erie-County-claims-bias
Published: December 25, 2012 12:01 AM EST
Updated: December 24, 2012 8:17 PM EST
Ex-caseworker sues Erie County, claims bias
By LISA THOMPSON, Erie Times-News
lisa.thompson@timesnews.com
A former Erie County caseworker is suing the county on claims he was fired from his job because of his race, religion and gender.
Tecumseh Brown-Eagle filed the civil rights complaint in U.S. District Court in Erie.
The termination caused him suffering and mental anguish, he said in the lawsuit filed by lawyer Timothy McNair.
Brown-Eagle is seeking damages.
The county has not yet responded to the claims in court.
Erie County Director of Administration Gerry Mifsud said Monday that Brown-Eagle failed to successfully complete probation for his post at the Office of Children and Youth.
"He was in his probation period with OCY and he did not make probation. He was terminated," Mifsud said.
Brown-Eagle said in his complaint that shortly after he was hired as an OCY caseworker II in November 2010, another co-worker made several false statements about him, charging that he "engaged in fantasy."
Brown-Eagle said that the false accusations were not properly investigated and that he was not given a chance to respond to them.
The county concluded he could not be a credible witness in OCY court proceedings, he said. He was fired in January 2012, he said, "based on the pretext that his credibility could be questioned in court though it had never been questioned."
Brown-Eagle said his education, work experience and strong civil service examination score qualified him for his job, which paid $32,858 a year.
He said he is active in the community and known for community service. None of the allegations made by a co-worker would affect his credibility in court because the allegations were false, he said.
He said the county only used claims about his credibility as a pretext to fire him.
The county terminated Brown-Eagle, instead, he said, because the county "did not want males serving in the caseworker II position, and because the defendant did not want people perceived as African American serving in that position," and because it did not want "those who had Native American religious belief serving in that position," he said.
Brown-Eagle was originally named James Oliver Johnson III, the Times-News reported in 2003. In 1987, he changed his name to an Arabic name that translated to "Servant of the Inspirational Guidelight and Servant of the Lifegiver Worthy of Praise." He then sought the legal name switch to Tecumseh Brown-Eagle in 2003.
He told the newspaper in 2003 that he made the change to the Brown-Eagle name after learning that he had Native American heritage on both sides of his family.
He also noted that a name similar to his Arabic name had been placed on an FBI watch list amid stepped-up security after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
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Johnson hasn't been involved in much these past few years. Fired from his job for claiming to see UFOs and have a brother in the White House, he lost his case claiming discrimination. Basically they threw out the claim based on extreme incompetence. He represented himself and didn't do even the most basic research. Claimed religious discrimination but then said he had no particular faith. Claimed racial discrimination but then admitted other nonwhites weren't discriminated against by his boss.
http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FDCO%2020150227D43/BROWN-EAGLE%20v.%20COUNTY%20OF%20ERIE
https://casetext.com/case/tecumseh-brown-eagle-v-cnty-of-erie
TBE/Johnson tried to start up a security company training people in anti terrorism.
http://tribalsecurityassociates.com/our-team/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tecumseh-brown-eagle-3717633b/
His resume lists his current work as customer service in marketing, with recent licensing in insurance.
https://www.slideshare.net/TecumsehBrownEagle/tecumseh-browneagle-resume-professional-winter-2017
He's now a "Knight" in the Temple of Solomon, a lodge or order.
https://www.slideshare.net/TecumsehBrownEagle/sir-knight-tecumseh-browneagle-69935664
Old EMB site is still up but abandoned, no sign of anyone else in the group active.
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After seven years of failure and inactivity, Johnson is trying to bring his phony would be tribe back. So far it seems to be all of five people, some of them castoffs from other Black supremacist groups.
Not much true on his bio besides some of his jobs.
https://erieindianmoundbuilders.org/chief-and-leader/
"Clan Mother" is basically an otherwise nice elderly social worker who got talked into wasting time on this, Gisele Spencer.
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"Royal Falcon" (seriously?) is a guy on the other side of the country heading his own made up tribe.
https://erieindianmoundbuilders.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Chief-Nasiir-Abdul-Muhammad-Bio.pdf
Chief Nasiir Abdul Muhammad, “The Royal Falcon” is the current Tribal Chief of The Official
Tribe of Shabazz. Chief Nasiir restored the ancient name of The Tribe Shabazz July 4, 2021, to
have it recognized as a legitimate Independent, Original, Aboriginal, Indigenous, Autochthonous
Tribal Nation located in North America (Turtle Island) and all over the planet earth. The
headquarters is located in Houston Texas. Chief Nasiir will also serve as the Chief Marshal over
the Indigenous Tribal Marshals and the Indigenous Tribal Investigators that will operate under
the authority of The Official Tribe of Shabazz. The Marshals and Investigators will have
jurisdiction all over North America...
Chief Nasiir will serve as the Commander for the military arm of The Official Tribe of Shabazz...
Chief Nasir will serve as the Chairman for the Tribal Corporation....
In 1987 that study group received its charter and became an official Mosque of The Nation of Islam and Nasiir became a new chartered member of Muhammad’s Mosque #45.
Shortly after that he was selected to serve as a squad leader in the military arm of The Nation of Islam. The men who belong to the military in The Nation of Islam are called “THE FRUIT OF ISLAM”, F.O.I for short. He was appointed a Lieutenant and given Northwest Houston as his territory....
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"medicine man"
https://erieindianmoundbuilders.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/JR-Perry-Bio.pdf
J.R. Perry III .... At the age of 9 years old he wrote his first song. It seemed that J.R. was destined for success in the entertainment industry.
As time went on J.R. continued his musical aspirations in many forms. J.R. was the innovator of many musical
groups throughout the 1970's and 1980's....
In addition to singing, and television, J.R. started a record production company adding entrepreneur to his resume.
With a love for music, J.R. started his own record label, Pro-Per Records. In addition to owning and operating the
label J.R. is also involved in performing and songwriting. J.R. has released a hit single entitled "Valentine Lover"
which was played on various radio stations in the United States , and widely accepted in Europe . Pro-Per
Productions the parent company established for further diversification.
Always looking for new challenges- 1983....The J.R. Perry Show was a sit-down host-guest
format, incorporating interviews with renowned musical guests as well as community leaders. The show also
highlighted sizzling musical videos and live performances excerpts....
Currently J.R. is working on various projects for Pro- Per Productions. These projects include songwriting, musical
arrangement, and television development. Also J.R. is performing voice overs for radio and television, he has
written and produced plays and sitcoms ready for the stage or television. J.R. has also written and produced
various genders of music ready to be released in the marketplace.
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Yeah, a music producer is their healer. Also two other fake tribes that seem to have leaders but no followers. Wash Erie Moor is just Theodore Scott Mitchell their "noble patriarch" and Carmella Mitchell. MAAT's chief is Kare Mut Nepthys. Don't know his legal name.
It seems mostly like Nation of Islam castoffs playing chief fantasies and hoping people give them money.