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General => Frauds => Topic started by: Tsisqua on March 26, 2008, 03:10:24 am

Title: William Bungard AKA Ricci Bungard AKA William Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 26, 2008, 03:10:24 am
Im just wondering if anyone has heard of William Bungard aka Little Soldier....he's from the Lenape/Delaware group in Cambridge in Ohio?

We had some info sent to our office today annonymously...(which is SO annoying grrrrr)...regarding him and his group....also a Cindy XXXXXXX?...I've heard alot about this guy in the past and wasnt sure if there were any threads already on him....I've never heard of the woman....but I felt this should be posted here...please forgive me if there are threads...I've a stinking headache...my lenses are out...and my eyesight isnt the greatest right now...

This is William Bungard aka Little Soldier......he ummm doesnt look too native...and Im sure THAT's nothing to do with my lenses being out...

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/7596.jpg)

The info we received today states a woman named Cindy XXXXXXX aids William Bungard in falsifying his ancestry....Has anyone heard of her? There is a picture that came with the info but it was a personal pic so I didnt want to post it...but I have it if need be....there wasnt too much info...


This is William's eagle permit information.....courtesy of the DOI....

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/eaglepermit.gif)

This is the membership application which gets a person into his tribe....notice the tax fee...

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/membershipform.jpg)

This is the letter head reminding all members to pay the tax fee...

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/lsfee.jpg)

This is the groups website.....

www.munseedelawareindiannation-usa.us/

Im just wondering what the thoughts are on this? I find it all kinda disturbing to be honest..


(Modified to remove last name of Cindy...26th March...Tsissy)
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 26, 2008, 05:17:57 am
No recognized Tribes in Ohio. this group has ties to the United Remnant Band of Shawnee. Never heard of the woman, someone else may have though. Both of them stay in trouble. Says he is Munsee-Delaware,  Dutch-Cree, Cherokee-Sioux, and German. Chief, Medicineman of the Thames, Snake Clan. I don't think so. Maybe he though he was related to the Snakes. Ohio and Pennsylvania have so many of these groups. Looks like he took on the law and the law won.  But his bio doesn't exactly present in that way, Why would anyone really believe he is in the "Who's Who in American Indians"?  Wonder how many people fall for that money deal, membership for 1% of your income.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: matt e on March 26, 2008, 09:16:51 am
don't forget the maintenance fee's for the land, which is $5 a month from every member, or $60 a year. according to the letter, the taxes on the land were to be about $600. only 10 members needed to pay the $60 per year to pay the taxes. 

 If you made less than $10,000  a year, you don't have to pay taxes, but they do ask for $25 yearly DONATION  to help with mailing and communications expenses.

  One question tho, on the application he asks "tribal affiliation". If you are already a member of one tribe, why would you want to join another one?

 In my personal opinion, he looks like an old hippie wearing a knock off necklace that can be bought at a lot of places. Every indian I have seen, in person, or photos, even when smiling or laughing their eyes still hold deep  deep pain and sadness. His do not.  also looks like he has some razor burn on his neck and chin. I could be wrong about that tho.   
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 26, 2008, 09:18:49 am
He looks anglo to me, full blood boat person though I have no doubt his great great great great great cousin was part Cherokee back in 1833 and quite possibly even a princess - them blue eyes usually indicate a good capability to see into past lives and dig out them Indian connections. You have to look out for those FBBPs (full blood boat people) -  they are pretty slippery when cornered. This business of him possibly having Eagle feathers doesn't sound good and could provide the edge to at least put him on the run. Flush 'em out and let the people in the next state over deal with them - its the best can be done in these parts but it disrupts their base of power and hits them in their wallet. Yup, 'Chief' William needs to be flushed and hounded out.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 26, 2008, 12:03:20 pm
Matt e  - your take on the 'chief' being an old hippy is right on IMO. I have never observed  all that pain and sadness you mentioned in the eyes of people and photographs- if you see me a couple of days before payday you'll see some pain and sadness  - I maybe need to be rescued and saved from myself too - some cash from kind donors would be good, I'll provide my home address via private message to anyone who cares to rescue a former hippy
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 26, 2008, 01:52:39 pm
9:30 AM:  I ran the 'chief's' name by my contact with the Ky. Native American Resource Center, the group  who made the exposure of the fake David 2 Bears possible. The ol' Chief was not known by my resource so he is not cutting a wide swathe to the South anyway. When I mentioned he might be in possession of Eagle feathers, she said they had confiscated some Eagle feathers at a flea market 2 years ago. They are small in number but seem to pack a pretty good punch. If anyone can get some good verification of this blue eyed anglo holding Eagle feathers I imagine this Louisville outfit would go after him pretty strong.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 26, 2008, 02:03:51 pm
Most of these tribes are little more than heritage groups.  Which amounts to a social group.  And many of the people in these tribes can prove their heritage. Unless they are doing something false ie taking Indian money earmarked for legimate tribes from the State or Feds like the one in Arkansas there is not much to be accomplished. If they are a Cult, have a tendency to play with illegal firearms or substances you might have a chance. There is well over 400 of these. I think only a handful have been involved in that.  The one in Texas, (selling citizenship supposably), a couple in Arkansas and Missouri, Kansas, and they all managed to get out of it. Texas is still pending. This one in Ohio United Remnant Band did have the money taken back as far as I know, but I don't think it was pursued. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1392.msg8366#msg8366   As far as the Eagle feathers and Little Soldier that was over 30 years ago, and only part of the document is there, it doesn't state how Wildlife handled the situtation, their is no outcome. The question would be did they get him for forgery or not?
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: educatedindian on March 26, 2008, 02:09:09 pm
He's drawn some attention before at another forum. He's made some fake permits to have eagle feathers, forging the signature of a member of Lakota official.

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One who knows:  
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:18 pm    Post subject: a little insight in to "Little Soldier"  

For those who have questions about this man I suggest a little resource to start reading about him go to..

http://64.62.196.98/adc/adc.html
Bureau of Indian Affairs Federal Acknowledgement Decision Compilation

about half way down you will find Munsee-Thames River Delaware the 14 page document explains it all. You may have to download the free tiff reader at the top of the page to view the documents if it already isn't on your computer.  


One who knows:  
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:26 pm    Post subject: forgot some things  
 
His name is not William Lee Little Soldier but indeed born Clyde Richard Bungard in Ohio by non-native parents. This is on record.

 
James RunningTurtle:
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:35 pm    Post subject: who is this chief little soldier his hobbyist group in oh  
 
He'
I know this fellow very well.
He is a enemy of the people of the Lemape' Nations.
He has nothing good to say about the Unami or us Munsee which he claims to be. He is the type that likes to put down others to try to make himself look good. He tells many lies and the sad thing is that he believes his own lies.He even has his own family believing these lies.
The Warrior Society of the Munsee-Delaware Nation USA and please dont get us confused with his cult (Munsee-Delaware Indian Nation USA) has done and investagation into him a few years ago and we have found out many things about him,,He shows a fake eagle feather permit (EF3) check them numbers out,,you will findout that that is fake..Check the water marks on the paper that he shows,its really easy to do,just hold it up to a light. you will find that all his papers water marks are from 1975-76.
I'm on the peoples side and I have no reason to lie as he does
 

One who knows:
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject:    

Page 7 of the document I posted a link to in post #2. Long but worth the read.

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Efforts to verify the historical continuity of the MTD as required by 25 CFR 54 were without results. No evidence of the group nor of any antecedent groups could be found until 1974. At that time, in the Spring of 1974, a news item appeared in the Pueblo Chieftain newspaper relating to the arrest of a non-Indian female friend of Bungard. This incident and the series of incidents which followed show how Bungard's concept of tribal chief was developed, how the idea of the MTD originated, and show how Bungard, who referred to himself as William Lee Little Soldier, managed to establish a relationship with one agency of the Federal government.

Bungard's friend was arrested by an officer of the Colorado State Division of Wildlife for the illegal possession of 50 eagle feathers. Newspaper accounts of the incident report that Little Soldier had "recently moved to Pueblo."

In defense of the woman, Bungard told authorities that he was the owner of the feathers; that one of them had been owned by the "Thames Delaware" tribe for 90 years; and that neither he nor his friend were aware of the eagle feather law. He maintained, however, that as a Delaware Indian he had a right to possess the, feathers. Despite testimony by Bungard that the feathers belonged to him and that as a Delaware chief he was entitled to possess them, on November 12, 1974, the woman was convicted of illegally possessing eagle feathers. The verdict was appealed. During the early stages of the incident (in June) Bungard made no known claim to being a chief. His claim that he was a Delaware chief was later added to his account as the trial progressed, probably in November.

During the period between the original verdict and the hearing of the appeal, Bungard worked to perfect his Indian story, developing two typewritten forms, one entitled "Request to Receive Eagle Feathers For Use In Religious Ceremony" and a second entitled, "Certification of the Tribal Status of Applicant," both of which were forwarded to the Federal Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife.

Bungard or an associate apparently filled out the first form. The second stated in part that William Lee Little Soldier "according to Bureau files is a Thames Delaware chief and priest . . . Canadian Bureau files list him as a hereditary tribel (sic) Chief and a member of the Snake Clan and Eagle Nob Religious Society". The certification carried the signature of Shirley Plume, then Superintendent at the Standing Rock Agency. The "Request to Receive . . . " was dated May 10, 1974, and the certification was dated May 20, 1974. Plume's signature, however, was apparently forged. She swore in an affidavit three years later that she did not provide, or sign a certificate for William Lee Little Soldier; that his name was not on the Standing Rock Sioux roll; that her agency held no membership records of the Delaware tribe; and that neither she nor her staff was acquainted with or ever had any dealings with Bungard or Little Soldier. There is no indication as to where or how Bungard got Ms. Plume's name. Ms. Plume, however, received nationwide publicity on her appointment as the. first Indian woman superintendent, and she believes that Bungard may have gotten her name from one of these articles.

Notwithstanding the fact that the "Request to Receive" and the certificates were typed on plain bond paper, without Bureau or Departmental letterhead, and did not remotely resemble official forms, the Bureau of Sport Fisheries and Wildlife issued a permit to allow "Chief William L. Little Soldier of the Munsee-Thames River Delaware Nation to possess and transport eagle feathers where necessary to conduct and participate in religious ceremonies." The permit was effective on March 26, 1975, two days before the court proceedings were closed. To replace Bungard's 50 confiscated feathers, the Wildlife Service sent ten eagle wings. Newspaper accounts reported, however, that Bungard was dissatisfied however, because the eagle wings were received in a "decaying, smelly condition."

It appears the term, "Munsee-Thames River Delaware Indian Nation,' was first used in the correspondence with the Sport Fisheries and Wildlife Service regarding the eagle feather permit. Prior to this time, Bungard had referred to his organization as the Thames Delaware or simply the Delaware Tribe. Notwithstanding the development of a more formal title, there is no evidence that Bungard had any following at this time.

Up to this point, there is no evidence that Bungard was part of an Indian community or that he was a leader of such a community. He subsequently began to make efforts to gain a following over which he could exercise influence.

54.7(b) of 25 CFR requires that the group live in a community viewed as American Indian and distinct from other populations in the area. Section 54.7(c) requires that the petitioner maintain a tribal political influence over its members as an autonomous entity throughout history until the present.

During the balance of 1975 and into 1976, he visited Oklahoma and Ohio on several occasions, apparently in an effort to develop background for his Indian tribe/Indian heritage/Indian Chief story which he found was effective with authorities in areas with little or no Indian population, and also attracted media attention. He visited several prominent Delaware Indians in Oklahoma and spent an indeterminate amount of time doing research in the local history room of the Bartlesville Library which houses a voluminous collection of Delaware information. Bungard appears to have spent a great deal of time and effort to locate the name of anyone on old Delaware rolls who had died without children. Bungard, fully bedecked in Indian regalia, also made the powwow circuit during this period, much to the consternation of many Delaware people, and to the amusement of others. He clearly was not accepted as an Indian.

Bungard also made some efforts to establish a political following during this period. While in Oklahoma, he told several older Delaware people that he wanted to be chairman of the entire Delaware nation and circulated a petition for the removal of the chairmen of the recognized Delaware tribes. There is no indication that any enrolled member signed the petition.

Although Bungard told several Delaware people that he was the leader of a group of Delaware Indians in Colorado, there is no evidence that he had a following during this period. He later told informants in Ohio that he had been adopted by an old Indian chief in Colorado who died, and that he had inherited the chieftainship. On one visit to Oklahoma in early 1976, he was accompanied by two friends, a married couple, described by the Oklahoma Delawares as non-Indian.
 
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: educatedindian on March 26, 2008, 02:20:01 pm
Another post from that forum, quoting a letter sent to Wassaja.

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 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:30 pm    Post subject: Nora Thompson Dean exposes "Little Soldier"   

He! I'm back. I'm just as White and just as crazy, but I can't help myself. I've been at this too long to let go, now.

Late in 1977, Billy LittleSoldier wrote a piece about himself and his group, titled "The Hidden Nation," which was published in the WASSAJA NEWSPAPER. This was a BIG mistake, on his part, because Nora Thompson Dean ("Touching Leaves Woman") of the Delaware Tribe of Indians happened to read the piece. Below is her response to his article.

Ray Whritenour

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Objects to Claims of LittleSoldier
 
BY NORA THOMPSON DEAN
 
WASSAJA Newspaper
March, 1978

Voice of the Indian
 
I have received a copy of the December issue of Wassaja and would like to share my thoughts with the readers.
 
Reference is made particularly to an article titled The Hidden Nation, by Chief Little Soldier.
 
Chief Little Soldier is not an Indian of any degree, but rather a whiteman, of a hippie type, who has a commune in Colorado consisting of other nonIndians who follow his distorted teachings of how the Delawares lived.  I do not usually speak out against people, but when someone is using the good name of my people to further his or her own interests, then I must speak.
 
Some facts: It was about three or four years ago that this Little Soldier first showed up here in Oklahoma.  He was at that time claiming to be descended from some Canadian Delawares, and that he had just severed his ties with a group calling themselves the Shawnee Nation Remnant Band.
 
He was fantastically garbed, and with his red hair and blue eyes I could hardly think him any Indian.  He then left, only to return several months later at the Pawnee Powwow with some people named Willmert (nonIndians) who had driven him down from Colorado.
 
We found out from these people that Little Soldier had been saying that the older Delawares here had asked him to usurp the tribal chairmen of the two Delaware groups in Oklahoma and to become our great tribal chief.  When we told them the truth, they left, taking him along.
 
The next we heard, he was back in this area doing some research at the local history room of the Bartlesville Library, where there is a voluminous amount of information on the Delaware people.  According to the curator, Little Soldier seemed to be looking for someone who had died without any children being listed. And thus he settled on Elahtut  (his article, col. 3)
 
This was his error, for although the rolls did not show any children for Elahtut, his sister did have children, and what Little Soldier could not have known is that my husband's mother's brother married the sister of Elahtut, so we know all about him.  And all of Elahtut's nieces and nephews found Little Soldier's story very amusing.  To begin with, Elahtut is not a Munsee Name.  Secondly, he never went East as he declares.
 
He also states in the article that the Munsees were patrilineal, but since they are a kindred tribe to the Delawares, I would greatly doubt that.  He also implies that one 'chief' named Pimoacan passed his name on the child and then grandchild, a thing that is strictly against our naming beliefs.
 
There are many full-blood Delawares in Little Soldier's group as he says, because as we learned from the Willmerts, when he adopts anyone into the tribe by the ancient ceremony (for which they all strip), he then gives them a rubdown with earth and water!) they come out a fullblood Delaware!
 
Other people's comments about Little Soldier:
 
". . . concerning Billy (Lee) LittleSoldier who claims to be a chief of the Muncie-Thames River Delaware Indian ... Little Soldier, also known as Ricci Bungard (his group) is not a federally recognized tribe, band, or community of American Indians.  The BIA has no relationship with the group.  In fact, we have no records relating to the MunseeThames River Delaware Indians of Security, Colorado." (From Mitchell Bush of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, 3 Feb. 1977)
 
(I had written to him to find out why the man called Little Soldier was able to obtain a feather permit for eagle feathers, as this is supposed to be only for our Indian people, and requires a proof of Indian blood from the BIA, which apparently was not furnished by them.  So how was he able to get a permit, of which I have a copy?)
 
From a museum curator in Pennsylvania: "I met Billy Little Soldier last year ... and he kept looking for handouts and donations.  He later tried to con me into believing that you were just another Lenape interfering with Federal money destined for his people.  He wanted me to help finance a five-acre tract of land in upstate New York."
 
From a part Lenape in New Jersey: "I got a notice for the meeting.  Billy will be reinstating people into the Delaware Nation for $22.42. The fee will cover the ceremony, sweat lodge, travel costs, gifts, postage, and general expenses.  He also told me that when he was a medicine man he performed a sweat lodge in a shower.  He also said that he made five women pregnant in a ceremony designed to keep the Delaware people from dying out.
 
Of more recent happenings, from one young man we heard that Little Soldier had applied to a church group in Kansas for a grant to help, his people, and was about to get about $20,000 when this young man got wind of it and set the church group straight on Little Soldier.
 
Just last fall, we heard from the tribal chairman of the Delawares of Western Oklahoma that Little Soldier had applied for a large grant to build and run a Delaware Museum in Colorado and used Lawrence Snake's name as backer and.. one who approved of the idea.
 
The main reason for writing all this is to let Wassaja know about the man.  We Indian people have enough problems to solve and enough financial worries, without having money destined for us taken by people such as Ricci Bungard.  I hope future letters from him will get the attention they deserve.

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Bungard apparently made a run for President.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:hHK8H-h2D1UJ:beadermansdealings.blogspot.com/2007/08/vote-2008-william-bungard-for-president.html+%22William+Bungard&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

And he failed to convince the state of Ohio to exempt him from taxes.
http://www.bta.ohio.gov/06M1231.pdf

I also see someone told Wikipedia he was a Native actor. The same person put in there that he was an AIM member and had gotten 25 laws passed. I deleted it and explained why to the editors.
 
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 26, 2008, 02:44:12 pm
Quote
Objects to Claims of LittleSoldier
BY NORA THOMPSON DEAN
WASSAJA Newspaper March, 1978 Voice of the Indian
 
I have received a copy of the December issue of Wassaja and would like to share my thoughts with the readers. Reference is made particularly to an article titled The Hidden Nation, by Chief Little Soldier. Chief Little Soldier is not an Indian of any degree, but rather a whiteman, of a hippie type, who has a commune in Colorado consisting of other nonIndians who follow his distorted teachings of how the Delawares lived. I do not usually speak out against people, but when someone is using the good name of my people to further his or her own interests, then I must speak. Some facts: It was about three or four years ago that this Little Soldier first showed up here in Oklahoma. He was at that time claiming to be descended from some Canadian Delawares, and that he had just severed his ties with a group calling themselves the Shawnee Nation Remnant Band. He was fantastically garbed, and with his red hair and blue eyes I could hardly think him any Indian. He then left, only to return several months later at the Pawnee Powwow with some people named Willmert (nonIndians) who had driven him down from Colorado. We found out from these people that Little Soldier had been saying that the older Delawares here had asked him to usurp the tribal chairmen of the two Delaware groups in Oklahoma and to become our great tribal chief. When we told them the truth, they left, taking him along. The next we heard, he was back in this area doing some research at the local history room of the Bartlesville Library, where there is a voluminous amount of information on the Delaware people. According to the curator, Little Soldier seemed to be looking for someone who had died without any children being listed. And thus he settled on Elahtut (his article, col. 3) This was his error, for although the rolls did not show any children for Elahtut, his sister did have children, and what Little Soldier could not have known is that my husband's mother's brother married the sister of Elahtut, so we know all about him. And all of Elahtut's nieces and nephews found Little Soldier's story very amusing. To begin with, Elahtut is not a Munsee Name. Secondly, he never went East as he declares. He also states in the article that the Munsees were patrilineal, but since they are a kindred tribe to the Delawares, I would greatly doubt that. He also implies that one 'chief' named Pimoacan passed his name on the child and then grandchild, a thing that is strictly against our naming beliefs. There are many full-blood Delawares in Little Soldier's group as he says, because as we learned from the Willmerts, when he adopts anyone into the tribe by the ancient ceremony (for which they all strip), he then gives them a rubdown with earth and water!) they come out a fullblood Delaware! Other people's comments about Little Soldier: ". . . concerning Billy (Lee) LittleSoldier who claims to be a chief of the Muncie-Thames River Delaware Indian ... Little Soldier, also known as Ricci Bungard (his group) is not a federally recognized tribe, band, or community of American Indians. The BIA has no relationship with the group. In fact, we have no records relating to the MunseeThames River Delaware Indians of Security, Colorado." (From Mitchell Bush of the Bureau of Indian Affairs, 3 Feb. 1977) (I had written to him to find out why the man called Little Soldier was able to obtain a feather permit for eagle feathers, as this is supposed to be only for our Indian people, and requires a proof of Indian blood from the BIA, which apparently was not furnished by them. So how was he able to get a permit, of which I have a copy?) From a museum curator in Pennsylvania: "I met Billy Little Soldier last year ... and he kept looking for handouts and donations. He later tried to con me into believing that you were just another Lenape interfering with Federal money destined for his people. He wanted me to help finance a five-acre tract of land in upstate New York." From a part Lenape in New Jersey: "I got a notice for the meeting. Billy will be reinstating people into the Delaware Nation for $22.42. The fee will cover the ceremony, sweat lodge, travel costs, gifts, postage, and general expenses. He also told me that when he was a medicine man he performed a sweat lodge in a shower. He also said that he made five women pregnant in a ceremony designed to keep the Delaware people from dying out. Of more recent happenings, from one young man we heard that Little Soldier had applied to a church group in Kansas for a grant to help, his people, and was about to get about $20,000 when this young man got wind of it and set the church group straight on Little Soldier. Just last fall, we heard from the tribal chairman of the Delawares of Western Oklahoma that Little Soldier had applied for a large grant to build and run a Delaware Museum in Colorado and used Lawrence Snake's name as backer and.. one who approved of the idea. The main reason for writing all this is to let Wassaja know about the man. We Indian people have enough problems to solve and enough financial worries, without having money destined for us taken by people such as Ricci Bungard. I hope future letters from him will get the attention they deserve.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 26, 2008, 03:13:02 pm
Thanks, I'll copy and do this the old fashioned way and snail mail it up to Louisville. It's the best I can do. They'll have to be the enforcers on this if need be. Sic the Lousiville outfit on them, that's the ticket. They may be able to go up there and nab him at a pow-wow wearing an Eagle feather(s), you never know. The US Constitution says there shall be freedom of religion and poachers violate that right with their cultural interpretation and application of Indian ceremony/sacred rites and Indians have the right to appropriately confront any readily apparent non-Indian violating said right(s). That's the bottom line of it. Imagine someone going around drinking beer and eating pig meat telling everyone they are Muslim and trying to preach about it and guide people on the path of Islam - same difference as the crooks pretending to be Indians.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 26, 2008, 03:29:41 pm
Hey cool a thread for me. I'm that Cindy. No sorry that isn't true, this has been tried before. If you reference some threads at AITF you'll see I'm far from a supporter of LittleSoldiers.

Oh my screenname there is One who knows. Why did I change it? Well when I chose it I did it for a reason, then over the years it really got old. 

MDIN-USA to sue Ohio gov?
http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/viewtopic.php?t=2189

Oh and those docs you have up here are originally mine, scanned right on my own computer. Right down to the pen marks I put on that one to point out those paragraphs. That's cool though as long as they're out there.

One more thing I have young children at home, I'd appreciate it if you'd take my/their last name off this post...even though you did spell it wrong.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 26, 2008, 03:46:53 pm
WOW....you have my apologies...I'll remove your last name...and the spelling was not my handywork...lenses in or not at the time  :-[

I only passed on what was sent to me...when I tried to respond to the email...it came back as being an inactive account...but I posted it here as we've heard of this guy in a round about way in our office....the more I read...the worse it gets...and I merely wanted to get others opinions on this...and also to see what other info was out there...this guy needs to be stopped.

Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 26, 2008, 03:51:23 pm
Dances With Badgers here, Cindy - it's nice  to see you're easing yourself off the good red road. My moccasins made in Hong Kong are wearing pretty thin  on it too. I've located a reliable  Norwegian shaman named Shurgnati who I plan to travel to and get healed. I got sucked into the Sacred Gohpher Clan gang some time ago, a pseudo Native group and a real sad story I won't bore you with,  and they about bled me dry financially but I guess you can relate to that. I may take up being an Indian later in life but for now, I have to kick the habit.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 26, 2008, 05:51:53 pm
WOW....you have my apologies...I'll remove your last name...and the spelling was not my handywork...lenses in or not at the time  :-[

I only passed on what was sent to me...when I tried to respond to the email...it came back as being an inactive account...but I posted it here as we've heard of this guy in a round about way in our office....the more I read...the worse it gets...and I merely wanted to get others opinions on this...and also to see what other info was out there...this guy needs to be stopped.


      He will be hard to stop, I still trying to figure out how he did get a Eagle feather permit after all. He has about 30 members give or take and some diehard supporters.  Knowing and exposing him as a fraud is one thing, that's been done, taking him down is another. As I said earlier you need something substantial . I am sure NanticokePiney knows him.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 26, 2008, 06:28:42 pm
WOW....you have my apologies...I'll remove your last name...and the spelling was not my handywork...lenses in or not at the time  :-[

I only passed on what was sent to me...when I tried to respond to the email...it came back as being an inactive account...but I posted it here as we've heard of this guy in a round about way in our office....the more I read...the worse it gets...and I merely wanted to get others opinions on this...and also to see what other info was out there...this guy needs to be stopped.



Hey I appreciate you taking the name off. I just clicked on the properties of the documents and photos you posted it's kind of obvious who the source is.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/7596.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/eaglepermit.gif

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/membershipform.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c394/somedudenohio/lsfee.jpg

Anyway, just an FYI I have turned copies of the eagle feather permit over to different authorities, nothing was ever done. If you all have a new route you can think of by all means let me know.




Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 26, 2008, 06:42:37 pm
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Hey I appreciate you taking the name off.I just clicked on the properties of the documents and photos you posted it's kind of obvious who the source is.

As for the name..again my apologies...I only printed what I was given...and as I said in my beginning post......there was alot more but I didn't feel it was needed...with regards to the source of these pics and info...Id like to know who it is...as I said previously....the email we received...when I replied to the address it came back as undelivered...account closed....so we're highly curious....even if you wish to inform me in a private message? Id be greatful. Thank you.

Now if there's much evidence against this guy...but he's been difficult to bring down in the past...there must be other avenues to go down. I sent some info to AIM...and a few other interested groups I know...along with some folks we work with...and perhaps folks here can do the same? Also to post this far and wide to get the word out?


Maybe with our heads together we can come up with something...I sure hope so anyways...this guy needs to be stopped. If anyone has any suggestions to how we can best deal with this, or indeed what needs to be done etc...Id like to hear it.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 26, 2008, 07:32:04 pm
9:30 AM:  I ran the 'chief's' name by my contact with the Ky. Native American Resource Center, the group  who made the exposure of the fake David 2 Bears possible. The ol' Chief was not known by my resource so he is not cutting a wide swathe to the South anyway. When I mentioned he might be in possession of Eagle feathers, she said they had confiscated some Eagle feathers at a flea market 2 years ago. They are small in number but seem to pack a pretty good punch. If anyone can get some good verification of this blue eyed anglo holding Eagle feathers I imagine this Louisville outfit would go after him pretty strong.


http://www.munseedelawareindiannation-usa.us/   check Culture in Pictures on the left hand side panel

So far all I can find are pictures of Eagle Feathers and the statement:

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Eagle feathers play an important role in all traditional Native American ceremonies.  This is the tribe's ceremonial feather with the straight bead weave and elk fringe,  made by Princess Manitsah. Feather given to Chief Little Soldier by Turtle Clan Chief   "Double Knife".

We're just getting some confirmation of some things that have just come to light...I'll post the findings as soon as they are confirmed.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 26, 2008, 07:37:24 pm
Looks like a Red Tail Hawk feather, but they are protected birds also.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: NanticokePiney on March 26, 2008, 11:31:11 pm
Hey cool a thread for me. I'm that Cindy. No sorry that isn't true, this has been tried before. If you reference some threads at AITF you'll see I'm far from a supporter of LittleSoldiers.

Oh my screenname there is One who knows. Why did I change it? Well when I chose it I did it for a reason, then over the years it really got old. 

MDIN-USA to sue Ohio gov?
http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/viewtopic.php?t=2189

Oh and those docs you have up here are originally mine, scanned right on my own computer. Right down to the pen marks I put on that one to point out those paragraphs. That's cool though as long as they're out there.

One more thing I have young children at home, I'd appreciate it if you'd take my/their last name off this post...even though you did spell it wrong.  Thanks!

  I can vouch for her statements 100%.
  We've been chasing this hippie (see: dirtball) pot head for a while. The authorities act like they really don't care. It's a shame.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 27, 2008, 12:36:14 am
Well I wont quit pushing until something is done...I dont care where I have to take this...how long it takes or how much it costs....there may be 2000 people who wont touch this...and ONE who will...I'll find that one.


This 'Tribe' is NOT a State or Federally recognized tribe...yet this guy is making a living from running it?....and ANYONE can join?...the Chief is clearly white...and the stories I've heard today so far make my skin crawl...personally I cant sit by and do nothing...and I know there are many who feel the same.....seems info on this guy is coming pretty darn fast out of the woodwork....only with many people speaking up together can anything be done.

Just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: NanticokePiney on March 27, 2008, 02:45:27 am
  If you read the "members only" section in 'WoodlandIndians' we have tons of dirt on him. He is one of those frauds that is all about money, sex and getting high. Actually the 3 things that frauds are about is either sex, money, or getting high.
  His spelling on his website is terrible, His history is as distorted as it gets. His total education is next to nil. But he still attracts followers. I beat my head against the wall trying to figure out why.
  Authorities were shown the fraudulant "eagle feather permits". I have copies in my filing cabinet I showed them myself.
  He's small fish and not worth the money spent chasing him I was told by a Fed. He's one of those criminals that has too go too far on his own and bury himself.   


   edit;
  Kevin,
    Just for the record. Cindy is not a "former fraud" such as yourself. She's Delaware.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 27, 2008, 03:02:01 am
Sex???(http://www.sherv.net/talking/swf/funny/9.gif)With....him??

(http://www.mattressdoctor.ie/picts/sick2.jpg) Ooooohhhh boy!

Need to shake myself outta of that one...(http://www.websophist.com/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif)

I was kinda figuring it was the money...but who knows...either way as much as a blind eye is being turned...he sells ceremony...he sells fake tribal membership to a fake tribe...and many other things...he needs to be stopped....once people turn a blind eye to one fake and give up trying...ten more take his place...eventually nothing is done about any of them..and I sure as heck dont want to see that happen, but thank you...I appreciate your words...we have stirred up alot of interest in this guy and his 'tribe' with other groups/organizations and tribal offices today...there isnt many places I havent taken this to...so Im sure something must be able to be done, can and will be done.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 27, 2008, 03:11:35 am
Cindy/tree hugger, I extend my apology to you for being sarcastic towards you in my last post. The actions you have taken against this culture poacher are stronger than anything I have done.


complaints can be made to State Legislators from his area and to Federal Legislators in his area. If he is living in a town of any size, the mayor could be contacted and mention made that such activities only give the community a bad name and do not enhance its reputation. An open letter sent to the local paper from one or more 'real deal' Indians in this forum/Admin types could be done too. If deemed a good idea, I wouldn't mind calling a state police detective up there and simply tell him about this and that if they need an inroad into any of his activities, this Eagle feather business presents an opening for them to use. They could use this to turn him too, unfortunately and ignore the feather issue by not making waves as long as he helps  them  - its a gamble that should be taken. I will contact the Louisville outfit and see what they have planned.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 27, 2008, 03:29:14 am
This tribe...are in Cambridge, Ohio....

http://www.cambridgeoh.org/index.htm

Mayor Tom Orr Staff Mary A. Green –
Administrative Assistant Telephone (740) 439-1050 (voice)
(740) 439-1377 (voice)
(740) 432-1754 (fax) E-mail camb-mayor@cambridgeoh.org Address City Administration Building
1131 Steubenville Avenue
Cambridge, OH 43725 Office Hours Monday – Friday
8:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. (noon)
and 1:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.

I had to leave a voice mail...but I emailed also, numerous times....and I also passed this onto other groups etc

Ive also gone to the Daily Jeffersonian

P.O. Box 10
831 Wheeling Ave.
Cambridge, OH 43725
740-439-3531
Direct Classified: 740-439-3532 or 800-979-1526
FAX: 740-432-6219 (Newsroom)
FAX: 740-439-3533 (Advertising/Business/Spectrum)

Also: WOUC   89.1 FM, WCMJ   96.7 FM, and WILE   1270 AM Cambridge Ohio Radio stations...sometimes you have to go anywhere with a voice to be heard
Title: Re: Little Soldier
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Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 27, 2008, 03:40:54 am
You wouldnt happen to know what he had for dinner too??? LMAO
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: matt e on March 27, 2008, 04:37:54 am
wow no wonder he needs money, melbourne IT (australia based with offices in the US.) is one of the most expensive places to register a domain name. (about $34 a year, most places charge less than 20)
 
 If I had a car (I be poor) I would go have a chat with him. However, since I can't do that I suggest getting some actual ndns to sue him. Fraud, for one. Can also try for causing  a bad  perception of Indians to the public. there are numerous legal terms for that. Just cause the feds won't bother doesn't mean the state won't.

  I also suggest contacting the ohio att. general. (www.ohio.gov will take you to the Att. Gen. page where a complaint can be made. Most of our state gov officials have been worthless, but our att. gen office has(no matter who held the office) always heavily frowned on frauds, bad business practices, etc. They investigate every complaint. if you can get enough people to contact them, sending supporting documents it may make them move a little faster. 
 
 Also, contacting the prosecutor of the county he is in, again for fraud, may be worth while. Since he isn't state or fed recognized, he is just a normal citizen of the state of ohio as far as the law is concerned.
 
 Also, contacting the IRS and the ohio dept. of taxation, may do some good, just to check that he actually qualifies as a nonprofit, and if not has he paid his income taxes?
  remember folks, sometimes the state authorities are far more aggressive about this than the feds are. Of course, if the state does take action, and finds it crosses state lines, they will then move it to one of the federal courts here, then the feds will have no choice but to deal with him. 
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 27, 2008, 11:35:45 am
I think AIM chapters can be contacted in that area and alerted to him
I don't see why an open, general letter can't be written to the paper, i.e.

to the affect of  'I/we of such-and-such organization/tribe(s) are writing on behalf of NA people in general and in defense of our cultures. We are writing to alert people in your community of the existence of a fraudulant person who is presenting himself as a NA and some kind of Chief. This person is a Caucasion, apparently a former Hippy with blue eyes and long light brown/blond hair who dresses like an Indian. We have reason to believe  he is illegally in possession of Eagle feathers, which is a violation of Federal law. We are in the process of alerting the necessary Federal authorities about this situation and are hoping for a quick resolution of the matter.

It has been our experience that such fraudulant practices are intended to take advantage of people by misleading them. Furthermore, false representation of our cultures is not only wrong, misleading and deceitful, but presents a bad image of NA in general. Such deceitful people will also prey on other people using other schemes and trickery. We sincerely hope none of the good people in your community will accept this fraudulant person as a person of NA heritage and speaking for NA people in any capacity. '
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: NanticokePiney on March 28, 2008, 02:53:48 am
  Good luck! He's real small fish compared to some of the PA groups though. Lenape Nation P.A. and the EDN has done far worse when it comes to ripping off people for money and property.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 28, 2008, 03:44:20 am
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He's real small fish compared to some of the PA groups though. Lenape Nation P.A. and the EDN has done far worse when it comes to ripping off people for money and

Well perhaps its high time these too were exposed for what they are...although I know many who have fought the EDN previously...but a few people dont really make much difference...but once exposure is spread far and wide, maybe we'll get some results....what we cant do however is sit back and do nothing....small fish or not...these small fish grow into big ass fish with teeth!
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 28, 2008, 05:07:25 pm
3/28/08: 11:20 AM - contact with Ky NA Resource Center Person:
My contact was out of town, on her cell phone, said she would be back sometime this week end, the info I snail mailed should arrive today. She said she would get back in touch with me. I expect this outfit to be pretty tight lipped and not show their hand to anyone once they set a course of action but I have no doubt they will 'reach out and touch someone' as they say. As previously posted, they went hot after the fake 2 bears once they got wind of him and raided a flea market and confiscated some eagle feathers one time.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 28, 2008, 05:47:09 pm
That's awesome Kevin...it's appreciated...thank you.

Im still waiting for a bunch of folks to get back in touch with our office...but we've had a horde of info sent in...Im just trying to get through it all right now.

With Respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 28, 2008, 06:44:09 pm
It's nice to see you all trying to stop LS. I have to say though, I've been at this years and I have contacted everyone I could think of. Who knows maybe power in numbers will work.

Most of the information is on those links to AITF. I do however have some things that were sent out that will not be posted on a public forum.

I'd like to get back to the original post here. I'm a little troubled at the fact that it was stated this was an anonymous source, when it's obvious where those images came from. This same person has done this to me on at least two other forums, that I can verify. I do know what else he sent you, at least I have an idea. I've gotten the same things sent to me for three years now. I'm sure the picture you mention is of me and my dog, correct?

This person was also a member here until right after this thread hit. Seems he deleted his membership after I posted the link to the photobucket those images came from.

All I'm trying to say is, don't you agree that this type of behavior is just as bad as what some of these fake and fraud groups do? This was an obvious attempt to slander me. LS is old news. This continued discussion of LS is an attempt at damage control over the "anonymous" sources part. It was obvious who the source was. Anyone could click on the documents and see who they belonged to. And yet once I posted who the informant was, no mention was made of somedudeinohio. I find that a little strange.

Please be cautious with your sources and check them out before posting things on a public forum. I'd just like to suggest that everyone check out the source's history, too, before dropping anything else out there.

somedudenohio/beaderman/TheRebel
http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/viewtopic.php?t=1517

However unlike him, I will not give out his real name or location.

If you get some contacts on LS, feel free to Pm me for the non public documentation I have and I'll be happy to send it along to the proper agencies again.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 28, 2008, 07:02:51 pm
Thanks for that Tree Hugger, I thought something wasn't clicking just right. But then I tend to be suspicious by nature. And we have had some unusual activity recently.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 28, 2008, 07:24:20 pm
As I already mentioned...I made every attempt to check the source our info came from...my emails came back as undeliverable, I also ran a trace on the email source to check the IP it came from...and got nada...I posted the info here to see what other peoples take was on the info I had been given, as we had heard of Little Soldier previously and obviously, I wished to see what others knew...and once you posted the fact that you knew the source...I asked you respectfully to PM me the source...of which I've heard nothing from you.

Now I did not know the woman mentioned was a member here, or indeed yourself...of which I removed the name as soon as you requested it although we are looking into the claims....I also apologized for having it there. Im not here to cause an issue...but to find facts...and to do all is needed to stop these people....by having many people work together to achieve it...nothing can be done alone.

So obviously when we receive info stating this certain woman helped this certain man gain fake tribal stats etc...we want to find out more...and since we couldnt find out too much...I posted it here...which is the place people come to gather info, and to seek the truth via other members knowledge and thru their searches etc. If you feel I did the wrong thing...well you have my apologies...but I did what I thought was right under the circumstances. I cannot remove info given as I feel it may not be 'suitable' etc..but I did however remove much personal information and pictures, as I did feel at this stage it was inappropriate to post such things. Incidently the picture was not of a woman and a dog.

As for the behaviour of our source...I cannot comment on that in all honesty...we receive alot info to our office mail...and much of it, when the email is traced, comes back as being an inactive account....and considering the contents of much of the material forwarded...I understand this...just as I understand people here wishing to remain annoymous...which is the right of us all. You say you found it strange that no one mentioned the ohiodude etc you mentioned...? I did...I asked you to PM me...and as I said above...you did not. I wished to look into this...and you claimed to know who this person was...I may be many things...but a mind reader I am not :)

You have written that ohiodude is also The Rebel? And Beaderman? I find that difficult to comprehend since I have contact via mail with Beaderman on occassion...and if he were to pass me info...I dont see the need for him to create a fake email account to do so....but then I am open to all suggestions and will look into this also today. My intent was never to offend anyone here....merely to find the truth regarding Little Soldier....so again you have my apologies.

If you have any info that may help...please email our office: For the attention of Tsissy   NativeAmericanUnity_Office@yahoo.com

With much respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 28, 2008, 08:17:59 pm
With all due respect to you as well..

You could have used google to find some information. As for contacting you privately, this was put on a public board. I feel it is best to respond in public. I have nothing to hide, never have.

I do not go off half cocked, I know what I'm talking about. If you choose to believe it or at least check it out. It's your decision.

You had joined my forum on March 24, you then shared your login info with his IP address.

Did you bother to even click on the link I posted?

I'm not going to get into the drama, but I find everything you say impossible to believe.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 28, 2008, 08:32:24 pm
Yes, we check all our information out obviously...and again..this is why I brought this topic here, since there was little we could find that had any weight.

As for your personal opinion of me...you are very much entitled to it...as is everyone else...Im not here to score points with people.

So, shall we move back onto to the topic at hand...Little Soldier? The topic posted initially?...not why I posted, how...what time of day it was...I have answered your questions raised respectfully...and I removed your name from this thread as asked...without question I might add... and with all due respect, Im not the one here making an issue out of this.

This is not a place for a personal slanging match, if you wish to take up personal matters with me, based on the simple fact your name was posted here as it was in information we annoymously received, my email address is posted on this thread.

With respect,

Tsissy


Added note; If I had an alterior motive as you seem to be suggesting...I would not have removed your name without question.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 28, 2008, 08:41:20 pm
I have no personal opinion of you, I don't know you.

I am not attacking anyone, I have every right to post in reply to things said about me and the sources.

I'd like to remind you that the information you have on LS is from me, and as I stated I'd be happy to provide further documentation.

We aren't straying from the original reason this topic was started, we are just getting to the heart of it.

Deflection noted.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 28, 2008, 09:06:50 pm
-maybe some info is best relayed via private message, aside from the Eagle feather(s) issue, if it can be used to nail him with
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 28, 2008, 09:33:18 pm
-maybe some info is best relayed via private message, aside from the Eagle feather(s) issue, if it can be used to nail him with

Huh? I offered to send the copies of the permit. Only to reliable sources.

I'm not taking anything private, this is public. I have no desire to do that.That's exactly when things get misunderstood and manipulated. It's painfully obvious what is going on here. If you really want to help taking out LS this sure isn't the way to do it.

You all have people here that start drama, and believe me I'm not one of them. I only joined to see if I could help.

This had nothing to do with LS. This had everything to do with a duck and run. If you don't care to even look into what I've said, that's fine.

Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 28, 2008, 09:51:16 pm
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This had nothing to do with LS. This had everything to do with a duck and run. If you don't care to even look into what I've said, that's fine. You all have people here that start drama, and believe me I'm not one of them. I only joined to see if I could help.

Which is why I posted this here...not to 'duck and run'....but to gain info on Little Soldier and to try...with the help of many...to do something about him...which is the nature of this forum...or perhaps Im mistaken.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 28, 2008, 10:07:17 pm
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This had nothing to do with LS. This had everything to do with a duck and run. If you don't care to even look into what I've said, that's fine. You all have people here that start drama, and believe me I'm not one of them. I only joined to see if I could help.

Which is why I posted this here...not to 'duck and run'....but to gain info on Little Soldier and to try...with the help of many...to do something about him...which is the nature of this forum...or perhaps Im mistaken.


Well, I don't see how you posted this about LS. Would you care to respond about your sources?

I think this is a great website, but not for personal issues. You still have not responded to the facts that I have set out here.

When you base your facts on assumption, that isn't a good thing. That in turn will make this site into something I'm sure the owners won't appreciate. You know this person sent you this with the intention of making me look bad. If you truly wanted to expose LS you would have found out that we were doing it ages ago.

I think your motives are clear, JMO. Do you mind responding about sharing your log in info with this person?
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Moma_porcupine on March 28, 2008, 10:21:52 pm
Tsisqua and tree hugger

I'm sorry but I am not understanding some of what is being said here.

I think I understand what is being said about LS , but the allegations about The Reble/ somedudeinOhio/beaderman are so vauge I'm not even sure they are allegations, and I also have not managed to follow why either Tsisqua or Treehugger would feel anybody else was accusing either of them of ?anything ?? --- it has just gone right past me.

This may be my fault and if I took the time to read through all the posts on this subject in the AITF and all the posts by some dude in Ohio, maybe, I could figure out what has got the two of you feeling how you feel, but I don't have time to do that , so I want to ask something... Please...for those of us who aren't psycic or plugged into every message board in cyberspace 24/7..... if something happened on another message board and you feel it is something that is relevent to alerting people about frauds and abuse, could you please make your accusations absolutely clear with a few breif quotes showing what happened and include a link and easy to follow directions to the points of interest, if it is buried in a lot of other stuff. That way anybody who is interested can confirm it happened. If you did this together with a  clear explanation as to why what you are reffering to has you thinking this is a problem , it would be really helpful.

Why is it important who sent what to whom and what the IP address was and why is it  relevent that TheReble dis membered themself when this thread started ... ? Is someone suggesting they are really LS ? A secret supporter of LS ? Are you saying maybe LS bumped them off ...  ( JUST KIDDING ? i THINK ? ) Geepers I don't know what you are saying and I'm not sure anybody else does either... What has any of this other stuff got to do with LS or anything else in this thread ?

All this melodrama I can't even understand is starting to make me grumpy. Please please if all this is really relevent make it easier for me to follow... 

Maybe I am dumb, but I am begining to just not read some threads posted in by some people, because I can't follow what 1/2 of what they are saying, and I can't see why it matters
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 28, 2008, 11:38:37 pm
LOL MP, I think the bottom line is that it is already a work in progress, and has been tried without any results. The fish is not big enough nor worth the money and effort, work it would take for a trial or whatever they would decided to do if anything. I seen a couple thrown out of Court without prejudice. Reason being they were Incorporated. One was I think ELN or Thunder Mountain, but just one individual, and it was thrown out also without prejudice.  If everyone is going after the same man, it would be reasonable to share information. See what's new, what's old. What's been already accomplished, what has not. And what didn't work. But lets leave the rough stuff at home.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: bls926 on March 28, 2008, 11:49:06 pm
Research needed? Little Soldier is old news. Many have been exposing him for years. It's obvious Tsisqua didn't start this thread with the intent to expose a fraud. Or maybe she did.

Somedudenohio aka beaderman aka TheRebel . . . only three of the many aliases this guy uses. He's had a personal vendetta against One Who Knows/tree hugger for years. He's tried to discredit her on other forums. That was his sole intent when he sent these documents to Tsisqua along with the information about "this woman" who was helping Little Soldier. Was he playing Tsisqua? Or was she a willing participant? I don't know.

For Tsisqua to post here on NAFPS that it was an "anonymous" informant was a blatant lie. A right click on the documents tells you where they came from. A google of somedudenohio pulls up all kinds of information. The fact that both Al's and frederica's posts were ignored makes me wonder, too.

Yes, Tsisqua joined Woodland Indians on March 24th. The following evening, she gave her logins to somedudenohio so that he could log on and read the members only forums. But she says she doesn't know who somedudenohio is? Maybe she knows him by another name.

Here's something you might want to try . . . google somedudenohio + beaderman + TheRebel. Only one link comes up and it's a thread right here on NAFPS. Yep, all three identities on the same thread. Check out the writing style.

What We're Up Against/Jerry "Hawk" Pope
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1347.0;all

I think the point that needs to be made is this. Isn't it just as bad for someone to spread misinformation, half-truths, and lies as it is to start a fake tribe? How is somedudenohio/beaderman/TheRebel any better than Billy Bungard/Little Soldier?
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: NanticokePiney on March 29, 2008, 12:01:32 am
LOL MP, I think the bottom line is that it is already a work in progress, and has been tried without any results. The fish is not big enough nor worth the money and effort, work it would take for a trial or whatever they would decided to do if anything.

  BINGO!

  Cut and Paste Beaderman has cut and run again.
 I honestly think he Played Tsissy for the sucker.  He put on his big "fraud hunter persona" and fooled someone else. It's hard to know someone on the Net. Anybody can claim anything. I'm just learning that now. Most of us at "Woodland Indians" know each other personally so we have a handle on each other.
  Bls and Hugger can tell you. I'm a rookie at this and many people have BSed me. It's them who watch my back when someone does.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 29, 2008, 12:25:45 am
I think the point that needs to be made is this. Isn't it just as bad for someone to spread misinformation, half-truths, and lies as it is to start a fake tribe? How is somedudenohio/beaderman/TheRebel any better than Billy Bungard/Little Soldier?
                I agree with you BLS one is as bad as the other. That's why we try, doesn't always work, to keep the personal stuff out of the forum. The purpose here is exposure and educational. People have to make up their own mind who to follow. Research Needed is a beginning, it has to be moved to Frauds, can't be started there.. Let's keep the thread to the topic. If you need to start a new one with a different subject do so.  But it's not a free for all, you need statement of fact. Cause I can only guess what someone knows. That's not fact.  Please keep it to the purpose of the forum.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: LittleOldMan on March 29, 2008, 12:57:20 am
Thank you for your comments Frederica this is as it should be here. "LOM"
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 29, 2008, 10:33:11 am
Thank you Frederica.

I will say this, there is some new info on LS that I've not been able to verify. On the page where he is asking for $18,000 in donations, he's claiming this is tax deductible. They aren't a non profit. If anyone wants to look into how he can claim that, it's a recent development.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: frederica on March 29, 2008, 01:45:12 pm
That's a good idea, he has some strange ideas about Treaties. No telling what he is thinking or manuplating. That could fall under both State and Federal.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Tsisqua on March 29, 2008, 03:26:18 pm
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Well, I don't see how you posted this about LS. Would you care to respond about your sources?

I have responded regarding my source...it was annoymous...as for googling someohiodude..I did...nothing came up....I just tried googling someohiodude again before posting this...and nothing comes up...it asks 'do you mean some dude'.

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I think your motives are clear, JMO. Do you mind responding about sharing your log in info with this person?

This information was shared as Ravencrow had been invited to your forum (Incidently I also shared this information with an admin here due to the attacks on this forum), and since our NAU site stats showed we were getting many hits per day from Woodland...we wanted to investigate why, obviously...since there have been many issues regarding Ravencrow and her allegations/creating fake pages to discredit NAU/having our forum hacked, our site frozen by our host due to false allegations etc, this was necessary.

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It's obvious Tsisqua didn't start this thread with the intent to expose a fraud. Or maybe she did.

This thread was started for the reasons I have stated. I have no hidden agenda. If I had one, I would not have removed Tree Huggers name from the thread

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Somedudenohio aka beaderman aka TheRebel . . . only three of the many aliases this guy uses. He's had a personal vendetta against One Who Knows/tree hugger for years. He's tried to discredit her on other forums. That was his sole intent when he sent these documents to Tsisqua along with the information about "this woman" who was helping Little Soldier. Was he playing Tsisqua? Or was she a willing participant? I don't know.

I have tried, to no avail, to contact Beaderman, to discover if he indeed did send me the information. Right now, I am less than happy with the things being said and the fact that Beaderman seems to have dissapeared. But we are now looking into this in detail.  As for Tree Hugger being discredited on other forums, I had no knowledge of this, and I posted the info recieved as I thought it was the correct thing to do (And I had no idea the name given was Tree Hugger), which is something I have always done here...once we receive information...we post it here to gain other peoples take on it...as you can clearly see from many of my past postings. Perhaps I have merely been used as a tool for someones elses sick gain and personal dislike for another...who knows...but I assure you I intend to find out.

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For Tsisqua to post here on NAFPS that it was an "anonymous" informant was a blatant lie. A right click on the documents tells you where they came from. A google of somedudenohio pulls up all kinds of information. The fact that both Al's and frederica's posts were ignored makes me wonder, too.

Im sorry, but it was not a blatent lie. We had this information more than 24 hours before we decided to post it, we did all we could to check into the sender of the mail. As for right clicking on the document...call me a dumbass but until it was stated here, I had no idea this could be done. As for the name someohiodude...when it was posted here...we were still lost as to who this person was...until clarification was made here.

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But she says she doesn't know who somedudenohio is? Maybe she knows him by another name.

Again...the name was not a name we knew...we know this person as Beaderman, The Rebel and Lee.

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Isn't it just as bad for someone to spread misinformation, half-truths, and lies as it is to start a fake tribe? How is somedudenohio/beaderman/TheRebel any better than Billy Bungard/Little Soldier?

Yes I totally agree...and you can be assured we will be more careful with our postings in the future.

I just wanted to clear this up...not to drag it on as it were....and you have my apologies for any offense caused.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 29, 2008, 03:36:29 pm
Thank you, and I won't drag this off topic anymore myself. My apologies as well, I'm sure that you can understand this was a sensitive issue for me as well.

Now why don't we take this back to LS then?




Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: NanticokePiney on March 29, 2008, 10:58:36 pm
Again...the name was not a name we knew...we know this person as Beaderman, The Rebel and Lee.

  I'm not gonna say his last name but his first name is Todd. So he definately was snowing you Tsissy.
  Ravencrow was not invited by any of the administration and I zapped her before she could even start her "mierdo". Your a member. Read the thread.
   If you are interested in going after the EDN. I will give you loads. Carl Pierce, the Nanticoke they have plastered all over their website was my great uncle. He use to drag me all over as a kid and I adressed him as "Grandfather" (He was my grandmother's brother). Everything they say about him is a lie. They also have been collecting THOUSANDS of dollars in commonwealth grants.
  Little Soldier's lucky if he gets 100 bucks from a snowed hippie. He makes tribal members mow his lawn and rake his leaves. He's a minnow! 
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: dabosijigwokush on March 30, 2008, 08:54:39 pm

Tree hugger I would not send out a copy of the blank cert. because that is probably where he got his a (copy) of someone else’s, that he modified
Plus that is a federal cert cannot be copied or transmitted in any form
You put your self a risk of loosing yours!
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 30, 2008, 09:09:10 pm
tree hugger i would not send out a copy of the cert. because that is probley where he got his a (copy) of someone elses
plus that is a federal cert can not be copyed of transmited in any form
you put your self a risk of loosing yours!



Hi

I'm not sure what you mean here? I guess I should clarify the reason I have copies. When someone would join his group he would photocopy the "permit" and pass them out to them. I've had at least 8 people send me these. I don't have anything illegal, nor was it gained by another other method. These people sent these to me via email and snail mail, hoping that someone could help them. Yes he had taken money and other things from them.

I have only shown these to the proper authorities and have not posted them anywhere online, or used them for any purpose.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: NanticokePiney on March 30, 2008, 09:44:15 pm
tree hugger i would not send out a copy of the cert. because that is probley where he got his a (copy) of someone elses
plus that is a federal cert can not be copyed of transmited in any form
you put your self a risk of loosing yours!

  That is if you copy a blank federal certificate and fill it out. I don't think those are real. I think they were created by someone.   
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: tree hugger on March 30, 2008, 09:57:35 pm
Well you all have lost me here. I'll reply in PM, because I don't think I should be posted anything more public about the permit.

It was looked at by the agency that issues them, both federally and in Ohio. I didn't copy a blank one. I was sent copies of what he has. The BIA has a copy of this too. *confused*
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on March 31, 2008, 03:52:23 pm
3/31/08:  11:00 am Contact with KY NA Resource Center:
they received the info and have reviewed the material on this site.  She said the guy looked vaguely familiar. As I figured, mum's the word on their planned course of action. She did say lots of letters and emails, especially from real-deal Indians needs to be sent to the Game & Fish Dept. of Ohio, "swamp them with letters" she said.

I asked if they were going to maybe send  forth a spy to sort of sneak around disguised as a wannabe  with dyed blond  hair, blue tint contacts and some pancake flour rubbed on the skin, that sort of thing, and check the 'chief' out but I got a quick " no comment " on that one.

I then inquired about a rumor down here that has been around for some years and asked if this guy was a member of their or connected with them in any way. This guy is rumored to be named The Lone Striker, a real tall, broad shouldered man of unknown tribe, with hair down to his waist and wears a black leather trench coat with purple apache style headband and chromed sun glasses. The rumor says he works only with matters involving the abuse and desecration of sacred objects and resolves said matters very discreetly, quickly and permanently. I got a quick denial on that inquiry and was referred to a NBOR outfit headquartered out of Ft. Yates, N. Dak. My contact said she had other calls coming in and had to terminate the conversation and hung up. So I called that  NBOR number up there and some kid answered who spoke only in Lakota, or I presume it was Lakota, and so I hit a dead end on spiking or confirming this rumor about the Lone Striker, aka Ghost Walker as some say his name is.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: bls926 on April 01, 2008, 02:14:06 am
I felt that I should reply to Tsisqua's post, since she did quote me extensively. However, I really have no desire to take this thread off the topic of Little Soldier. Only thing I'd like to point out to Tsisqua . . . somedudenohio not someohiodude. No wonder you couldn't find anything when you googled. Had any luck locating Beaderman yet? That's all I'm going to say about that.

Kevin, were you serious with your last post? What's with the cloak and dagger nonsense? Joking about guys in leather trench coats is lame.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Kevin on April 01, 2008, 02:03:52 pm
geez! I was really wanting to believe in the guy and hoping he could somehow be persuaded to take care of a crack house down the street from me. I guess a peron should reach an age of no longer believing in fairy tales.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: chiefytiger on August 06, 2008, 11:46:11 am
Hmmm Im late in seeing all the posts ,but as for Little Soldier,I'm just amazied at how all these nuage ppls can just make up some lie's and do ceremonies , Im not much with whats going on in the South,cos my concern lies in the frauds ,mostly in the Dakota's and wyoming all the way to colorado and Montana ,and western parts of turtle Island .
Time I get educated on whats going on with the southern parts of Turtle Island ...
Chiefy Tiger So anyone who has any up-dates on this little Soldier ,plz let me know
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: debbieredbear on August 06, 2013, 12:24:37 am
I know this is an old thread, but this link has a pic of the guy. And the person who sent it knew him years ago. Said he was always talking about crazy stuff.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/Little-Soldier.htm (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/Little-Soldier.htm)


Oh, he wasn't a
Chiefr" then, either.
Title: Re: Little Soldier
Post by: Epiphany on August 06, 2013, 01:48:14 am
This 1982 research on Bungard is a good read, all his claims are soundly disproved. The researchers even lay out how Bungard "worked to perfect his Indian story". Details also given on his "brushes with the law".
Title: Re: William Bungard AKA Little Soldier
Post by: educatedindian on February 18, 2015, 05:02:15 pm
Bungard sent several emails, including the not very credible threat to sue we get so often. Below is the exchange between the two of us, first him, then me, then him again, then me.

As you can see, his claims directly contradict everything the BIA Recognition document states. He claims he never even applied. They rejected him, stated he had between 6 and 20 followers, no evidence of ancestry for any of them, that some of the names he submitted were fictitious, and that the group no longer exists. Bungard claims descent based on a single alleged Delaware back in the 1860s, Elahtut. Elahtut's descendants state his claim is false. His parents' birth records in Ohio show them both as white.

He claims his Ohio "tribe" is still around and they've reelected him every year for over 40 years and gotten numerous recognitions. Actually they got a thank you for historical society events. The "tribe's" website shows no council and no indication of how many members they claim. Their site does post a warning that one must attend events or get kicked off the rolls, so most don't seem to take it very seriously.

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Dated Wed, Jan 14, 2015

soon you will see who the frauds were in the 1970's, Nora and the BIA
you ARE a hate group. You DO steal copywrited materials and you dont stay current on events that REALLY make a difference. WE dont issue empty lawsuit threats. We have won 122 out of 124 cases. YOU are being named in one being filed next week.

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What you're rambling about is extremely unclear.
Nora? Explain. Though many share the low opinion of the BIA.

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We have , when we have nothing else to do or somebody tells us, read what people say about us or me. MOST of the negative comments  that you receive come from people who are of the lowest principles. Example:[defamatory comments about two people deleted]

Third, what I did in the 70's was LEGAL. Tribe rebuilding. (Ref: Self Determination Act of 1934). Fourth my name was NEVER Clyde Richard Bungard.( I always had TWO names) C. RICCI Bungard AND William L. Little Soldier. . The name on my SS had ALWAYS been Little Soldier since i was 16. In high school 50 years ago, they knew me by both or a combination of BOTH. Some STILL call me Ricci Little Soldier or Billy Bungard. This has never been a secret to anyone. It's even on the tribe's webssite.

The so called BIA denial of recognition is a FALSELY published document. We NEVER applied as we were ALREADY recognized by treaties BEFORE the BIA. At the time we were said to applied, the BIA were not even taking apps. We DID ask them about a grant for a project we were doing in Colorado. In 2013, BOTH  Ohio US Senators and the US  House of Representatives and the governor celebrated the 200th anniversary of our treaty. Why would they do this if the tribe DIDN"T exist? They wouldn't. Also in 2004, the descendants of the Corp of Discovery, Lewis and Clark Expedition ; honored us and myself for assistance the tribe gave them in the early 1800's..

Next, I was never SELF appointed. I was appointed. from recommendations from what was left of our council in 1970 and a few of our Canadian brothers. I accepted on August 23, 1970. Even though It is NOT required, I always ASK on elections (every even year at fall council) if they want to reaffirm me as their leader. They have UNAIMOUSLY done this for 23 times, nearly 46 years. I will cover additional material in another letter to follow as I am quite busy. You see, unlike most of your sources, I can actually PROVE what I say. Also we NEVER "sold" applications". Our applications are very through. Did some falsify their apps? Yes. If was easier then it is today. Do they have to take an oath to abide by the tribe's laws. YES. Do they pay taxes, yes. What they pay in taxes is 100% deductible on their US taxes. The taxes run part of the tribes office materials, cover tribe vehicles, legal filings, the tribe's park, communications, etc. I and others donate as most are not required to pay because their incomes are too low. I do not receive nor have I ever received a dime or ask for one. More to follow, Little Soldier

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Mr. Bungard,
That's a bit clearer.

We always welcome more information that can clear these matters up. I will repost your emails to give your side of this. You are also welcome to join and post to give your side yourself, though since the thread is seven years old the others may not be active anymore.

Could you give your account of the eagle permit dispute and the statement that you forged a signature?

Could you also give your account of how you were received by the established Delaware and Munsee people?