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Title: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 13, 2007, 04:32:22 am
Dear Everyone,

I was a member of a message board called Spirit Lodge that is registered on Yuku.com. It is owned and operated by  a woman by the name of CinnamonMoon who claims to be a "Medicine Woman" who had published a couple of books on Native American spirituality.

Now, the board is very prettily packaged as an "information library" on Native American shamanism, healing, stones, etc...I had a feeling this board was too good to be true, so I questioned CinnamonMoon after a  prayer circle. She became very defensive and nasty. Quite contrary to the "love and light" attitude that she tries to maintain on her board. When I pushed for answers to her tribe affiliation, etc.. I was told to shut up, put up or leave. I didn't back down and it was then that I was banned. She also clearly has a link to keen.com for "psychic readings" At $6.99 a minute, claiming to channel her "guides", using tarot cards, etc...Anyone who dared to stand up to her and question her was told to shut up or leave. Another red flag that she isn't on the up and up. She has developed a cult-like following that will do anything to protect her and their "home" on the web.  She has encouraged those within her inner circle to bully and intimidate others, following me from message board to message board..

Since I was banned from Spirit Lodge, I cannot stand up  for those innocents that she is taking advantage of. From what I understand, she has been doing this for a long time.  I'd like to see her investigated and hopefully put out of business for good.

Here is her website: http://spiritlodge.yuku.com

She can also be found on keen.com if you click on where is says "looking for a certain advisor". If you read her feedback it's all nothing but positive. Another red flag to be sure.

She also has a friend   there who is white and is behaving as though she is Native American and who writes "articles"  there by the name of Silver Dreamer.

  Now, I don't claim to be Native American although my great-grandmother was Cherokee.  My grandfather was adopted and so was I, so I definitely cannot claim Native American lineage.

Thank you so much for whatever help that you can give!  :)

MaryWhiteWolf
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: debbieredbear on June 13, 2007, 04:43:23 pm
Just from the look of her website, and the fact she won't tell you what tribe she is, I would say she is a fraud. However, in the interest of fairness, I will put bthis into Research Needed for now. I don't have time to do much research at this time, however, there are people on this board who may know something. Thjere are also some people with really good investigative skills.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Moma_porcupine on June 13, 2007, 05:39:50 pm
Hi Mary

I'm glad you found this website .

Good for you for spotting the red flags and not being afraid to ask questions .

People posting here don't always agree on everything , but if you spend some time reading , it will  make you think - which is always good ! There is also a long list in the recommended section of trustworthy sources to learn from .   

I took a look at that website and it looks like the Cheezewiz Tribe .  :o  Maybe thats why Cinnamon Moon didn't want to say what tribe she belongs to . The Cheezewiz Tribe are very secretive about that sort of thing ...   ;)

Sometimes I really think there should be some sort of award , given for managing to completely blandify and plasticize Native culture and traditions  . In my opinion , this website would definently be a contender .

Whats sad , is genuine people who don't know any better get involved in these groups , and it can be really hard to seperate the completely useless out of context imaginary stuff ,  from the friendships , sense of community and the bits of truth mixed in with all that garbage . I recently had a talk with a friend, who for years has been involved in a group which is based on learning out of context / fake Native  "teachings" . This person is just now begining to sense something is wrong , but it is all mixed up with their friends and social life . As this person was involved for quite a while this has also become a part of their personal history .  Over a few years ,  we all make some good changes and gain insights and wisdom . Now this person is having a really hard time because these false "teachings" get credited for the good that was in their own self , and good things that would have happened anyway . Mixed up with that is stuff they are now realizing is lies and abuse of power . So now this person is having to go over the past few years and pick the good out from the garbage . What a mess  !

Even if these groups at first seem to satisfy some need , if they aren't based on reality , and what is taught is out of context , down the road these Koolaid cyberspace versions of Native traditions , almost always leave people more empty and confused than they were when they got involved . 
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 13, 2007, 06:11:07 pm
Hello debbieredbear, Hello Moma_porcupine  :)

It is a great pleasure and honor to meet you acquaintances.  :)

I am so glad that I found this website too. I just didn't know where to turn.  :'(  I've even spoken with some elders about this woman and they told me that what she is doing is wrong, so that helped confirm my feelings.

I've always been a strong soul so I don't do well with being bullied, especially by a suspected fraud. I think she and her bretheren are seriously afraid that I'm going to come back, expose them for what they really are and that will be the end of their board. Hence, having a few of her "lackeys"- I call them "thugs" for their attitude and nastiness, following me around.  As if that's going to stop me from trying to find help to report her. 

Her website is definitely of the Cheezewiz  tribe. Completely managing to fool and blind everyone seeking some real spiritual teachings. How someone like that can sleep at night, I'll never know.

CinnamonMoon has two books out called "A Medicine Woman Speaks" (as if this isn't a red flag)  and "To Be A Feather In Spirit's Wing". They can be found on amazon.com

She's based out of Minneapolis, Minnesota. I lived and worked in Minnesota for 8 1/2 years with my husband who is a born and raised  native from  there and we both have never heard of her. Another red flag.

Her board isn't based on reality. It's based on feeding her ego and filling her pocketbook out of genuine people's feelings who don't know any better. As I said, I was banned from there when I stood up to her and asked questions. I can't be that  voice for the innocents and that hurts more than you'll ever know. As Winston Churchill once said,  "You have enemies? Good. It means that somewhere, sometime   you stood up for something". Yes, it has made me enemies. I'd rather do the right thing than    go along to get along with a fraud.

I'm so sorry to hear that your friend is going through such a painful experience from such a board like this. Just when you think that there's progress, then they back-slide. It's a never-ending cycle until complete realization hits that they've been had.  :'(
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 13, 2007, 06:50:10 pm
I meant to add this in my reply post, but forgot it.  :-[ I'm very sorry about that.  :-[

Here is a link to CinnamonMoon's Keen.com homepage where you can read about her "qualifications" on giving psychic readings.

http://www.keen.com/memberpub/homepage.asp?user=cinnamonmoon

Thank you in advance for any help that you can give!  :)

MaryWhiteWolf
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: educatedindian on June 13, 2007, 09:18:47 pm
She lists Jamie Samms as a source.

"Pocket medicine wheels"? I picture someone walking around with jangling stones, trying in vain to rearrange them every time so they look like a wheel. DIY med wheels have become very trendy among Nuagers, who don't seem to realize medicine wheels that have a sacred purpose are not just for every crystal carrying Tom Dick and Harry.

"Clans of the wheel"? "Native astrology"? I believe she's been reading Sun Bear.

"Elemental forces" sounds Wiccan. So does the "cup opf abundance".

She recommends Elizabeth Jenkins, Carter Rivard, and Mitch Albom as authors. Also "meditation decks".

Except for the Lakota Ribbon dance, I don't see a single thing that's tribal specific. Most is not Native, and those that claim to be are generic NDN. My guess is she's 100% Euro, or she'd brag about it.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 13, 2007, 10:44:19 pm
Yes, she does list Jamie Samms as a source. Always has from what I can remember.  She started up that Medicine Wheel  talk about 18 months- 2 years ago, soon after I was banned. I learned that I could go "invisible' on the website and just read. I'm still banned under my old name and here in the middle of this past May I was sent a note from her Administrator named "mouse" AKA Cedar  AKA Cedar Rose  ( who is Dutch by the way and her  real name is Maartje) that I'm still banned. Why would they do that two years after I was banned originally?  ::) It doesn't make sense unless they are still so afraid that I'll come back under another name  and call them to the carpet on their fraudulent behavior and ways. I think they flatter themselves too much to think that I'd actually want to be a part of their little "cult". ::) I do   know that they just transferred Spirit Lodge over from ezboard to yuku just over the past few months. It's free to join and register there.  :)

Clans of the wheel? What is that? Native Astrology?  Never heard of it. Sounds fishy to me. I don't know what she's been reading but she sure fancies herself an "expert".

Elemental forces is Wiccan- She has a Christian/Wiccan high priestess in her fold. Elemental forces is also a term that ghost hunters use to describe a type of haunting. Meditation decks? What are those? My  guess too  is that she's Euro and is bragging about being Native and how she's doing this for the community.

You see, I thought that she was a fraud. I'm so glad that I came here and that my feelings on her are being validated.  :) Please be careful if you choose to confront her. She can be very nasty and she won't hesitate to put her "thugs" upon youi f they don't manage to think of doing it for themselves. If confronted, she may go underground and her hiding place will be Minna's Place on ezboard.com
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: debbieredbear on June 13, 2007, 11:22:19 pm
"Clans of the Wheel" and "Native Astrology" are some of the BS that Sun Bear, aka Vincent LaDuke, made up. He even admitted to doing so to a friend of mine. Said it was something that he had "envisioned." Not had a vision about.

http://ewebtribe.com/BearTribe/index.html

http://www.ewebtribe.com/StarSpiderDancing/wheel.html

You will notice that she even uses the same animals as Sun Bear did. This all came out of Sun Bear's book, Earth Astrology. Most native people consider Sun Bear to have been a fraud.,
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 14, 2007, 12:06:51 am
Good gravy, you're right, debbieredbear! :o What a shame that he admitted to doing so to a friend of yours. It's sad and it's wrong.  >:(

Yes, she does use the same animals as Sun Bear did. Thank you for pointing that out to me.  :) Does this mean that we can believe her to be  a fraud?
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 14, 2007, 12:29:05 am
How can we confront CinnamonMoon since  I've been banned from Spirit Lodge and how can we inform  her "members" that she's been defrauding them? Also, how can we inform Native groups of her fraud? Is it possible to get a case brought against her for fraud?
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Moma_porcupine on June 14, 2007, 02:02:47 am
Here is a bit more information about Cinnamon Moon ( I can't see anything that says her real name - surely her Mom didn't name her that ?  :o )

www.kittsdream.com/Books/medicine%20woman%20speaks.htm (http://www.kittsdream.com/Books/medicine%20woman%20speaks.htm)
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Cinnamon Moon is a medicine woman and ordained ULC minister with a foundation in the teachings of the Plains Indians and the eclectic studies of many other tribes.  She has walked her path as a student, teacher, and spiritual counselor for more than 35 years.

spiritlodge.yuku.com/topic/3195/t/MEET-THE-ADMINISTRATION.html (http://spiritlodge.yuku.com/topic/3195/t/MEET-THE-ADMINISTRATION.html)

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My professional path is as a Medicine Woman, non-denominational minister, and author. As an adopted blood-sister to the Sioux, Delaware, Mohawk, and Cherokee Nations, I have served as a member of a mixed-blood tribe. My roles there were those of Tribal Minister, Clan Chief, and Elder. I walk the Path of the Feather, a portion of that pathwork is serving Spirit through Spirit Lodge. These teachings along with others create an eclectic mixture of traditions that are my basis for sharing with you.

www.keen.com/categories/categorylist_expand.asp?sid=1241844&exstart=10&FeedbackType=0 (http://www.keen.com/categories/categorylist_expand.asp?sid=1241844&exstart=10&FeedbackType=0)

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I am Cinnamon Moon; Medicine Woman, Minister, and author of "A Medicine Woman Speaks". I have served as a Spiritual Advisor  to both private and commercial clients worldwide for over 35 years.

Please feel free to ask about the services I offer when you call. You can choose from the following: General Readings, Yearly Forecasts, Path of Destiny Readings, Dream Interpretations, or assistance with your path of spiritual development. Gift Certificates are available as well.

There probably isn't anything people can do to stop people like this , except to offer an alternative point of view , and encourage people to do some critical thinking . People who are more familiar with real Native culture can help people to think it through , by pointing out that what is being claimed as "Native" has about as much to do with real Native ways , as a Bugs Bunny cartoon has to do with real life. One problem is that people who aren't familiar with Native people and culture tend to get confused and give credit to people who don't deserve any , just because  someone claims what they are doing is Native wisdom or based in traditional teachings .

The funniest thing I saw on her website is the claim, that the website has it's own "animal totems" LOL

Folks over at Indianz.com seem to have found her website to be a good source of a few laughs .

http://www.indianz.com/board/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=316676&TOPIC_ID=15226&
FORUM_ID=5 (http://www.indianz.com/board/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=316676&TOPIC_ID=15226&
FORUM_ID=5)

Generally speaking , people need to learn to ask questions and be really skeptical of ANYONE claiming to be a medicine person , as that in itself is usually a big red flag .
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 14, 2007, 02:56:38 am
She didn't tell me her name, Moma_porcupine.  :'( I can't imagine her mother naming her that.She also never told me the name of the elder that she learned her "teachings" from.  I do know that she is a grandmother and she and her husband supposedly have four businesses (Gee, you'd think with all of those businesses, she'd hardly have time to be able to run a messageboard or to give "psychic readings". She also told me that she has a degree in psychology (So that's how she manages to do it to people!)

Her non-denominational "minister" title comes from the Universal Life Church. You know, one of those on-line "churches" that you can become a certified minister in about five minutes. Those "degrees" can come customized to your desires with the titles of shaman, wizard, priest, medicine woman, medicine man,  etc... Of course you have to pay extra for those. You can look it up on the net. The only thing that you can do with one  those degrees is perform weddings, baptisms and funerals. One cannot give mass, service, etc because they are NOT a fully ordained minister. So basically, her "minister" claim is hokey. I know this because I do have a friend who is an ordained Universal Life Church minister who got his ordination from them 30 years ago. He performs weddings, the odd funeral and the very occassional baptism. He  has a wedding business and told me all of this.

I, too, laughed when she said that her board has it's own animal "totems". LOL Those animal totems are the ones that her administration uses.

Her picture can be found on any of her "friend's lists". A good one to check out her Administrator "mouse" AKa Cdear Rose AKA Cedar. She is an overweight white woman. The picture doesn't lie.

I'm glad that at least another message board finds her laughable.


Title: Just Remembered Something....-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 14, 2007, 03:11:47 pm
I just remembered that CinnamonMoon  has a "sister" who posts there every once and awhile. I think  her name begins with either a "C" or an "S". It's similar to "CrystalMoon", if I remember correctly.

These people change their names like people change their socks. I   think it makes them feel like they've grown and need  to "shed the old skin".

Personally ,to the outside she may sound logical and appear logical, but I think she's just pulling poop out of her butt by throwing in things from Sun Bear and  Jamie Samms to make herself appear "legitimate".

Since she claims to be affiliated with these different tribes, maybe   your sources could  start asking those tribe's leaders questions about a woman in their midst being an Elder, Tribal Leader, etc and what name that she used while among them?  :)

Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
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Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: AlaskaGrl on June 25, 2007, 02:53:39 am
Elemental forces is Wiccan- She has a Christian/Wiccan high priestess in her fold. Elemental forces is also a term that ghost hunters use to describe a type of haunting.

Never heard of "Elemental Forces" in regard to a "type" of haunting.  Elementals yes.     hmmmm  I think this is some new terminology.
I do get so tired of these ghost hunter shows, clubs and such that have popped up all over the place the last few years...   And I have never heard of the
"Cup of Abundance"  but then I am not Wiccan   heh  It's more new terminology I suppose.   It has no place with me.

Lurking Linda
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Skully on July 05, 2007, 06:52:29 am
To hell with all "fairness". She's a fr***in' fraud!
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: educatedindian on July 06, 2007, 01:48:27 pm
We don't ever say to hell with fairness, but you're right about the second part. She's clearly a fraud. Moved to Frauds.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Skully on July 06, 2007, 07:54:30 pm
We don't ever say to hell with fairness, but you're right about the second part. She's clearly a fraud. Moved to Frauds.
Oh,take the HIGH road will ya!!!
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: ironbuffalo on August 15, 2007, 12:12:13 am


 Heheheh. I might have some fun registering and  trolling around Cinnamon Moonies forum being as disruptive as I can ;-)
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on August 24, 2007, 03:56:53 am
ironbuffalo,

Did you check out CinnamonMoon's board and cause trouble? If so, were they mean to you or did they ban you outright?  If so, I hope you didn't get into any trouble.  :o

Edited to add: educatedindian is right- trolling can only make the troller look bad. Ask questions, be direct, grill if you must, but please, please, please be careful! I'd hate for you to get into any sort of trouble.  :(
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: educatedindian on August 24, 2007, 04:03:33 am
I can't say I see much point in trolling. Going over there to discuss, see if you can get through to some people who might be there simply because they are naive and don't kno any better, yes. Warning people, yes. But disruption doesn't seem to have any point, at least in my view, no matter how much they deserve it. If it were part of a protest, OK.

But as some of NAFPS' failed (and prety pathetic) trolls, like Lekay and Martin, have found out repeatedly, trolling doesn't do anything except make the troll look bad.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on August 25, 2007, 01:53:49 am
educatedindian,

Is it at all possible for you or any of the other members  to be able to go over there to help educate and to warn people? I think they would find your education a real  eye opener.  :-)

A member over there by the name of Be Water is CinnamonMoon's "student" and fancies CM as her "teacher". She is a woman of color (black) who has real "entitlement" issues.She's also a classic narcissist and likes to play dumb and ignorant.  She won't hesitate to "protect" her "teacher".

Please try to do what you can to help others see what CinnamonMoon is doing is wrong and that what they are doing is because they don't know any better. If only one can be reached, then perhaps there is hope that more can be as well. :-)
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: educatedindian on August 27, 2007, 06:54:32 am
I wish I had more time to do that, but work and other obligations make that difficult. If others here wish to try and talk some sense into her board, please let us know how that goes. And if you want to invite any of their members who can be reached to come here, I think that might be a more effective approach. It's my experience that one NDN trying to convince a whole group of Nuagers will get the usual pop spychology diagnosis followed by lots of condescending or racist insults from the worser ones. The ones unwilling to come here are less likely to able to be reached.
Title: CinnamonMoon *Update*
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on September 23, 2007, 12:17:32 am
I've been doing some research on how to complain to the web site that hosts her board. Several different things can be done to let them know that what she's doing isn't right. i.e. exploiting NA spirituality and posing as someone/something that she is not. I also learned while reading the site's policy that advertising her "psychic readings" is a board policy violation.

Here is an address that I found that one can contact to let them know what she is doing.

ezboard Inc. D/B/A (yuku.com)
564 Market Street, Suite 705
San Francisco, CA 94104

(415) 773-0040

They can also be contacted at: comments@yukucorp.com

CinnamonMoon can also be written directly at: cinnamonmoon@earthlink.net
Title: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon-UPDATE
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on May 01, 2008, 07:00:58 pm
[Barnaby's note: dead link removed]
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on May 01, 2008, 07:13:38 pm
Dear Folks,

Please find enclosed a recent e-mail that I had received from CinnamonMoon. What she doesn't know is that I have become a reader at keen.com to help raise some money to pay some bills. She has no idea that she is talking to me.  ;) What's really particularly nauseating is that she actually seems to believe that she's entitled to "share" Native American spirituality with all and sundry.She's still preaching her stuff over at spirit Lodge too.

 

Here is the enclosed link to read her e-mail:

[Barnaby's note: dead link removed]
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on May 03, 2008, 11:42:51 am
Sorry, neither of those links work.
Title: UPDATE-Letter I Got From CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on May 04, 2008, 12:23:06 am
Oh Dear, I'm so sorry about that Barnaby *Blush*

Here is the letter (e-mail) that I received from CinnamonMoon and it reads such as this:

Hello StarrMoondance35( My name at Keen.com btw)

*Soft Smile* Thank you for your kind words of concern and bringing this to my attention. However, these people at NAFPS do not know me nor the path I have walked for the past 6 decades. I am an old woman, not some Yuppy New Age wannabe. I learned long ago how to pick my battles though I do acknowledge that the New Age is seeded and is part of the Change that is upon us. In that process of Change this sort of conflict arises from time to time--it's part of the chaos energy and this is simply an example of the resistance demonstrated by those who kick and scream.

My pathwork is conducted with Spirit's blessings, not theirs. Unfortunately there are those who do not want Native wisdom shared beyond their own People. It's an old war that is going nowhere, this knowledge is not exclusive, it is meant to be shared. They can spout what they choose, Spirit guides my path and I walk it with conviction, with heart and guidance, not ego. I simply choose not to engage myself with those who have to cut someone else down to make themselves feel superior. I don't need that sort of drama in my life. If we are going to evolve it needs to be a willing process of looking at ourselves, not others.

Spirit's blessings to you and yours,
CinnamonMoon


All I can say to this is- what an arrogant witch  :o :(
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: educatedindian on May 04, 2008, 01:35:37 am
Well doesn't look like she fools too many. A pagan magazine reviewed one of her books:

http://www.spiralnature.com/reviews/book/moonc.html
"In no way can this book be considered to be truly "An Exploration of Native American Spirituality" as the subtitle claims. It IS an explanation of personal (or Shamanic) spirituality but, even though couched in Native American terminology, it bears little resemblance to the spirituality of the Native Medicine people I have known. I was privileged to spend time with a Medicine Man of the Massachusetts Wampanoag tribe. Although he accepted that members of my family came closer to his definition of Shaman than that of Witch (as he understood the term), he did not offer to share his medicine with us. We were not of his lineage, and thus not eligible for these teachings.

Most traditional Elders share those views. This book flies in the face of their beliefs. They would not accept the fact that these beliefs should be shared, without a very long probationary period. They would feel that their spirituality should be held in trust for "The People".
 
...At times this book seems a bit too "white light and fluff" for my tastes...

Would this be a good book for someone interested in a traditional Native American point of view of spirituality? Probably Not."

And you can excerpts of her book online. On page 14 she describes herself as white, and claims only to be taught by an alleged Lakota named just "Mary." Mary was neither very bright nor traditional, because she recommended Heywhatever Storm to her, just before conveniently passing away so no one can ever know her actual name. The "Old Indian" trick. Castaneda's model once again.
Link to Google Book Search (http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=RhxZBnpQ04MC&dq=%22cinnamon+moon&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=Ie4L6_PwYF&sig=NeSy9gyK26ESBb26M9LXFsX7dPE#PPA14,M1)

On page 15 she claims a Delaware woman called "Little White Chicken" taught her. You can't make this kind of nonsense up. Don't think I've ever heard of NDNs named after domestic animals not native to this continent before. Coming soon, we'll hear whites claiming to have had NDN teachers named Fat White Pig and Big Dumb Sheep.

She claims she was told to read Oklahoma Delware Ceremonies, supposedly long out of print. Actually it's a widely available old anthro book from the 1930s.

She also claims to have been taught by two more unnamed medicine women (not even the tribes are named), an Apache medicine man (also not named), and "friends of Cherokee blood" also not named.

So basically she got her alleged knowledge from people she won't say who, H Storm, and an old anthro book. No wonder none of what she sells has little resemblance to anything NDN.

Most of the book is extremely vague. The only thing even remotely NDN is her misunderstandings of the White Buffalo Calf prophecy.

And she repeats the old phony "Warriors of the Rainbow" pseudo prophecy.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on June 25, 2008, 02:15:36 am
Thank you so much for all of your help, everyone!!  :) ;D
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on August 16, 2008, 10:58:51 pm
Yet just some more of her "postings".

http://spiritlodge.yuku.com/topic/4017/t/Some-things-to-share-with-you.html
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Kevin on August 25, 2008, 03:18:47 pm
To the nitty gritty of it in my humble opinion only. There ain't no NA shamans and anyone with the name  "Cinimmon Moon" ought to be a big enough red flag for any reasonable person to see, i.e. fake/fraud/crook. And if you, Mary are a NA you ought to know there are no shamans and if you are not NA,  perhaps you should quit using a name like White Wolf. This business here isn't some feel-good parlor game or philosophical excercise for enlightened Anglos to help out  poor Indian victims.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Unreal on August 25, 2008, 09:45:06 pm
" There ain't no NA shamans and anyone with the name  "Cinimmon Moon" ought to be a big enough red flag for any reasonable person to see, i.e. fake/fraud/crook  "


Not the least being that Cinnamon is actualy not a native plant to North America.... Hardly a likely pick for a native name.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on August 26, 2008, 12:54:29 am
To the nitty gritty of it in my humble opinion only. There ain't no NA shamans and anyone with the name  "Cinimmon Moon" ought to be a big enough red flag for any reasonable person to see, i.e. fake/fraud/crook. And if you, Mary are a NA you ought to know there are no shamans and if you are not NA,  perhaps you should quit using a name like White Wolf. This business here isn't some feel-good parlor game or philosophical excercise for enlightened Anglos to help out  poor Indian victims.

Kevin,

 1). I know that, and you know that. I just wanted other people's opinion and to see what information that folks here had on this woman.  I appreciate all that I have learned here and find their knowledge very invaluable.

2). No, I am not NA and said so in my introduction. I know that there aren't any shamans and also understand  that it relates to a Russian term, etc...

3). White Wolf came from the fact that I have a white German Shepherd that the neighborhood children have asked if he is a wolf. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm sorry if your feelings have been hurt. I wanted folks here to be aware of this woman and to get the word out that she is fraudulent. Please excuse me if my good intentions hurt your feelings.

Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Prairie Fairy on August 26, 2008, 05:18:44 am
Like any recovering twinkie I have my leaps forward and my falls backward. Reading this forum and thinking about my fraudulent friends I am re learning a point I dealt with in the past. That is, I have been influenced by Castaneda and Andrews and felt I needed to identify a connection with an animal spirit. I have always known NA folks on the surface enough to pick up on some of the basic justice issues like for example that spirituality is never instant mashed potatoes. Some years went by and a moment in my life occurred I had a connection with the idea of Coyote. I will not assume that that was what was happening but for me it was real. Naturally I was thrilled to feel I had had some affirmation and guidance. I have long wanted to change my name. I ran around Minneapolis sticking the name Coyote on myself at various times. But here is the problem with that, just like the problem with throwing around the word Shamanism. It creates an expectation. Until you have a connection with a living culture that customarily uses animal names like White Wolf (not bloody likely as far as I can guess), what you are doing is creating a damaging and confusing illusion for other people no matter how innocent your intentions are.

Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 26, 2008, 05:37:51 am
Sorry, neither of those links work.

They also make this page very hard to read. How about cutting them?
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on August 26, 2008, 05:58:52 am
Like any recovering twinkie I have my leaps forward and my falls backward. Reading this forum and thinking about my fraudulent friends I am re learning a point I dealt with in the past. That is, I have been influenced by Castaneda and Andrews and felt I needed to identify a connection with an animal spirit. I have always known NA folks on the surface enough to pick up on some of the basic justice issues like for example that spirituality is never instant mashed potatoes. Some years went by and a moment in my life occurred I had a connection with the idea of Coyote. I will not assume that that was what was happening but for me it was real. Naturally I was thrilled to feel I had had some affirmation and guidance. I have long wanted to change my name. I ran around Minneapolis sticking the name Coyote on myself at various times. But here is the problem with that, just like the problem with throwing around the word Shamanism. It creates an expectation. Until you have a connection with a living culture that customarily uses animal names like White Wolf (not bloody likely as far as I can guess), what you are doing is creating a damaging and confusing illusion for other people no matter how innocent your intentions are.


I understand that well. However, I've also have been a member here for over a year and neither educatedindian nor Moma_Porcupine nor debbieredbear has an issue with my name. If it is an issue, I suggest  that you take it up with them.   The name was chosen so that others who do know about frauds would ask me about it, so thusly I could explain it.

I understand your feelings well. It's difficult to see folks' spirituality being stolen and used for  personal gain, not caring who they hurt in the process. It's shameful. However, if you wish, I would be willing to change my name, but only if asked politely.

I own and operate a small ranch in Texas and have a great connection to the animals that I live and work with. Never would I own nor keep a white wolf. I also worked as a veterinary technician for several years.One of my bosses  worked closely with the Minnesota Zoo and I had the opportunity to work on some of the beautiful timberwolves. Always respecting their beauty, yet dangerous nature. It was an experience that will stay with me the rest of my days and I'm glad that I had the opportunity to have been able to work with such creatures.  I come from a long line of farmers and ranchers. My maternal grandfather was adopted by a Cherokee woman and her husband of Spanish descent. I also said that I am not of Native American descent as I, too, was adopted as a tiny infant.  It is not known what my true bloodlines are as I've never been able to track down my biological parents due to closed adoption records.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: Prairie Fairy on August 26, 2008, 06:40:47 am
I understand that well. However, I've also have been a member here for over a year and neither educatedindian nor Moma_Porcupine nor debbieredbear has an issue with my name. If it is an issue, I suggest  that you take it up with them.   The name was chosen so that others who do know about frauds would ask me about it, so thusly I could explain it.

I understand your feelings well. It's difficult to see folks' spirituality being stolen and used for  personal gain, not caring who they hurt in the process. It's shameful. However, if you wish, I would be willing to change my name, but only if asked politely.

I own and operate a small ranch in Texas and have a great connection to the animals that I live and work with. Never would I own nor keep a white wolf. I also worked as a veterinary technician for several years.One of my bosses  worked closely with the Minnesota Zoo and I had the opportunity to work on some of the beautiful timberwolves. Always respecting their beauty, yet dangerous nature. It was an experience that will stay with me the rest of my days and I'm glad that I had the opportunity to have been able to work with such creatures.  I come from a long line of farmers and ranchers. My maternal grandfather was adopted by a Cherokee woman and her husband of Spanish descent. I also said that I am not of Native American descent as I, too, was adopted as a tiny infant.  It is not known what my true bloodlines are as I've never been able to track down my biological parents due to closed adoption records.

My question to your first point is why not take responsibility for your own name instead of shoving it off onto someone who "never had a problem with it"?

As far as I can see this forum's purpose is not tiptoeing around people's feelings, but calling things as they are.

Maybe I am seeing these things wrongly because I have not been posting to this forum for an entire year as you have.


Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: MaryWhiteWolf on August 26, 2008, 01:44:02 pm
I understand that well. However, I've also have been a member here for over a year and neither educatedindian nor Moma_Porcupine nor debbieredbear has an issue with my name. If it is an issue, I suggest  that you take it up with them.   The name was chosen so that others who do know about frauds would ask me about it, so thusly I could explain it.

I understand your feelings well. It's difficult to see folks' spirituality being stolen and used for  personal gain, not caring who they hurt in the process. It's shameful. However, if you wish, I would be willing to change my name, but only if asked politely.

I own and operate a small ranch in Texas and have a great connection to the animals that I live and work with. Never would I own nor keep a white wolf. I also worked as a veterinary technician for several years.One of my bosses  worked closely with the Minnesota Zoo and I had the opportunity to work on some of the beautiful timberwolves. Always respecting their beauty, yet dangerous nature. It was an experience that will stay with me the rest of my days and I'm glad that I had the opportunity to have been able to work with such creatures.  I come from a long line of farmers and ranchers. My maternal grandfather was adopted by a Cherokee woman and her husband of Spanish descent. I also said that I am not of Native American descent as I, too, was adopted as a tiny infant.  It is not known what my true bloodlines are as I've never been able to track down my biological parents due to closed adoption records.

My question to your first point is why not take responsibility for your own name instead of shoving it off onto someone who "never had a problem with it"?

As far as I can see this forum's purpose is not tiptoeing around people's feelings, but calling things as they are.

Maybe I am seeing these things wrongly because I have not been posting to this forum for an entire year as you have.




My question to you is why does one person's name bother you so much? Obviously it does.  I already said that I would change my name, but I would have to be asked nicely and politely.   I believe that you are seeing things wrongly. If you were to read the entire thread, you'd fully understand. It's far easier to jump on a bandwagon than it is  to learn facts. Again, I'm sorry if people's feelings have been hurt, but  until educatedindian, Moma_Porcupine and/or debbieredbear have an issue with my name, it will remain as such.

I've been observing people's actions here for a long time. Some jump on others because of actions, words or deeds. Some jump on others simply because they don't like the other or others.Some have been warned, some it continues... Needless to say, unkind actions always speak louder than any words ever could. I've observed a lot of unkindness, some of it deserved, a lot of it not. If one chooses to be unkind simply because they don't like something, then they have something far more going on than the seen problem. Perhaps they need to look at that more closely.
Title: Re: Need Some Help With A Suspected Fraud-CinnamonMoon
Post by: frederica on August 26, 2008, 02:31:38 pm
I believe Cinnamon Moon is the topic of the thread.  I seen one screen name no worse than another.  Let's move on.