We will offer prayers up to Great Spirit and Mother Earth which in the Pagan tradition honours the Gods and Goddess’s. Or, as we say Grandfather Sun, Grandmother Moon, Father Sky and Mother Earth. You will see during this ceremony many similarities between Pagan, Christian and Native American Spiritual beliefs and this is because all things are connected to the circle of life.From: http://www.pflondon.org/html/events___courses.html (http://www.pflondon.org/html/events___courses.html)
Does anybody know anything about this pair? They are scheduled to do a "Native American style ritual" in the London (UK) area on Feb 1st
Sounds quite barf-worthy to me.
On this occasion I will not be wearing Eagle feathers.
The Pagan ethics: “If it harms none, do what you Will???. - a positive morality expressing the responsibility of Individuals towards the Collective (outer world and community).
Some years later I met my first Native American...
he claims his wife is cherokee (of course) but someone in england says she speaks with a german accent...go figure. i need to dig out what he said. fancies himself a great teacher..even tried to teach ndns about ourselves. not too much arrogance eh?
here is his wife's website http://www.native-american-stones.com/
Does anybody know anything about this pair? They are scheduled to do a "Native American style ritual" in the London (UK) area on Feb 1st...Sounds quite barf-worthy to me.
"Native American style"? In the same way that the tasty and nutritious snack cake made by Hostess is "chocolate-flavoured"?...
I almost cried "Ruth" myself when I read this from Grandfather Old Hippie:...
...hippies prancing about in "Native American style clothing" (remember we saw quite a bit of that at Glastonbury, Al?)
i've encountered this guy online in a yahoo group not too long ago. after being confronted he left in a huff. he claims his wife is cherokee (of course) but someone in england says she speaks with a german accent...go figure. i need to dig out what he said. fancies himself a great teacher..even tried to teach ndns about ourselves. not too much arrogance eh?
forgot to add..his name is Francis Billington
here is his yahoo profile. http://profiles.yahoo.com/francisgreywolf
here is his wife's website http://www.native-american-stones.com/
A *registered* and *professional* clairvoyant? Is someone handing out licenses?
Frying mamas? Did he mean crying? I'm guessing he doesn't mean cannibalizing your mother.
Ironically, one of the Pilgrims (Christian religious fanatics who were very anti NDN beliefs) was named Francis Billington.
I was also amused by the links, one to a "Wiccan inspired construction site."
He collects you guys...don't you feel honoured? What will he do when he's got the whole set?
I'm really, truly, not making this up. Here's his 'favourite quote' from his Yahoo profile page: you are only young once - but you can stay immature for life.
Many a true word is spoken in jest.
I just had a look at her website. Apparently she had it done for her by a professional, and it is bilingual. As there are certain regulation for a German business site (although only the English version is a dotcom, the German site is an inconspicuous .de), they added appropriate info about the owner: Ms Tonya had her enterprise registered under her real-life name Tanja Fehlauer. Sounds perfectly Grrrman (as a matter of fact, the name 'Tanja' used to be quite popular here). It was registered with the city of Hanau which is in the South of Germany, quite incidentially in that part which had/has quite a few US barracks, and I think there used to be some in that city.
It could of course be a matter of lack of funds that the site doesn't seem to be upated all that often, but I did notice that Ms Tonya doesn't have any news on Peltier to break since the beginning of 2004. She also has something up re John Graham, and is using a text by a person of some renown here to ask for donations for Graham. I did find these two texts a bit on the meagre side compared to what it says in her intro: Lots of info on ndns....
The sites aims at selling 'ndn stones' (votever zis iss) and 'other esoteric articles' as well as 'Indian jewelry'. Please take due note that Ms Tonya, despite her being a Cherokee princess [sarcasm off], does her very best not to step in nasty substances here: she uses the term "Indianerschmuck" which can mean both jewelry ndn style and jewelry made by ndns, although the term does rather indicate the items offered are only ndn style as otherwise Ms T would be only too pleased to announce she is selling "indianischer Schmuck" (I'm sorry, but jewelry is 'Schmuck' in German ). There are only very few items offered, and these are declared to have been 'made by a good friend of mine', without mentioning whether this friend happened to be ndn or not. Someone's seeking to have their behind duly covered, I suppose. If clients mistake the term for meaning jewelry made by ndns, now this is certainly not her fault, is it [once again, sarcasm off].
To Mo ( or should I say Linda Lou ? ) I will say this :
We left you alone all these month since the last dispute and lived our life, so please leave us alone. This is Slander. Why can you not live your life before accusing others, which is not your concern.
We were asked by members of “The Circle of Ankerwycke??? (A Pagan group) if we could do an Imbolc ceremony with a Native American theme which we agreed to do as so many people showed an interest in sharing. However since this has become an issue and upset people who do not want to share we took the decision not to go ahead.
i've encountered this guy online in a yahoo group not too long ago. after being confronted he left in a huff. he claims his wife is cherokee (of course) but someone in england says she speaks with a german accent...go figure. i need to dig out what he said. fancies himself a great teacher..even tried to teach ndns about ourselves. not too much arrogance eh?If you encountered me in a Yahoo group could you explain just exactly how I !"left in a huff" and I most certainly do not fancy myself as a "great teacher" or try to teach ndns about themselves. I have the greatest respect for the ndns culture. If you are going to write about me you can at least do me the curtesy of getting your facts right and since I have never insulted you I am at a lost to know why you think it right to insult me. Francis
forgot to add..his name is Francis Billington
here is his yahoo profile. http://profiles.yahoo.com/francisgreywolf
here is his wife's website http://www.native-american-stones.com/
To Mo ( or should I say Linda Lou ? ) I will say this :
We left you alone all these month since the last dispute and lived our life, so please leave us alone. This is Slander. Why can you not live your life before accusing others, which is not your concern.
i am not linda. you should at least have gotten that much out of being in her group. i was not the one who brought up your name but offered what i did know. and that straight from francis. not heresay. you got arrogant and pissy when someone questioned you and as is shown in the post i made here which you have seen before, you see yourself as some savior of poor ndn people. you are going to save our traditions for us..whether we like it or not.
if you reread, tonya..i said nothing about you because i know nothing about you ..except of course what you just wrote. and this is MY concern as its each and every ndn person's concern. i want my children learning our traditions from REAL elders of our community, not self appointed elders who don't know us and will never know us.
whatever...i am not linda. so don't give her the credit.
Frying Mamas = mothers dropping acid together? Could explain the amalamated New Age weirdness. ;DRe "Frying mama's" Oh come on! where is your sense of humour? To me this conjurs up an image of mom with the frying pan cooking breakfast. So where on earth did the link with "acid" come into it. A rather silly attempt to dicredit me and since I have not insulted you why do you feel so free to insult me? Francis
Greetings Mo,We were asked by members of “The Circle of Ankerwycke??? (A Pagan group) if we could do an Imbolc ceremony with a Native American theme which we agreed to do as so many people showed an interest in sharing. However since this has become an issue and upset people who do not want to share we took the decision not to go ahead.
sharing means it was offered by those to whom it belongs. sharing is not taking without permission. if i take your car without permission, that is not sharing..it is theft and you would not be happy. get the difference? if they wanted something native american then they should have asked someone who is part of a native american community. why is that so difficult to understand?
Billington, quoted by Mo:Hi Barnaby, sorry to to inform you that I do not collect guys and have no idea who this came from but it certainly was not me. Yes one of my favourite quotes "you are only young once...etc reflects my humour but not necessarily my philosophy and laughter certainly helps the world go round. Since I have never insulted you in any way I am at a loss to know why you feel so free to insult me. Anyway if no offence was meant, then none taken. FrancisQuoteSome years later I met my first Native American...
He collects you guys...don't you feel honoured? What will he do when he's got the whole set?
I'm really, truly, not making this up. Here's his 'favourite quote' from his Yahoo profile page: you are only young once - but you can stay immature for life.
Many a true word is spoken in jest.
Mo , your very patient and reasonable discussion with "Grey Wolf" had me laughing out loud . :o :D
I wonder if he has any idea how absolutely silly he sounds ? Like someone preening themselves in a mirror imagining they are the dressed in high fashion , when they are actually wearing a plastic grocery bag and are badly in need of a bath . In a way he might be right about his "helping Indians ". Even most New Agers have some common sense , and this guy might do a lot for making playing Indian look as foolish and unattractive as it actually is. At least he isn't giving people of distant ancestry a bad name by acting foolishly and claiming to have Indian blood , though unfortunantly there is more than enough who do.
(edited to add )
But then his wife is claiming a Chreokee heritage. Even if that was true , I can never understand why people who have some Native heritage which they are proud of, would behave in ways that would make their Nation ashamed to admit they even know them . I guess a lot of people just don't know better .
In this case all German Sites are inconspicuous, because they are using “.de??? which is just a sign for Germany. Like the one in the uk have “.co.uk??? and the American ones have “.com???As your site is commercial, you should have it registered appropriately. And you are the one to be mistaken about the way these endings work.
My real name was Fehlauer, because I was married to a German Guy with the name Fehlauer. And I know a native woman, who lived in Germany and married a German Guy and is still wearing his German name. I just forgot to change this. Oh what a big deal.Yeah, right, one 'just forgets' to change a surname, no big deal at all, people forget that all the time. No, under Grrman law, you were and are required to register a commercial site under your legal name, Tanni. Your legal name is the one mentioned in your passport and "Personalausweis" (ID card).
And since the German Authorities could not accept the name Tonya, we made Tanja out of this, otherwise I would not be able to register the domain.Now, this is rich!! And not true! German authorities - since Grrmoney has lots of imigrants meanwhile - accept foreign names of all sorts. Provided, mind you, you can present proof that this is your legal name.
And again this is no concern of yours, where I registered the domain. In matter of fact, I was living pretty long in Hanau. What is wrong with that I was living in a town with US barracks ? I did not choose this, but my former job was in Hanau, so I moved there.I personally don't care where people register their sites, as long as they don't b.s. people. As your site is commercial, this information is required under German law, and therefore I looked for it as I was interested under which name you run your business.
But if you are, who I think you are, then you of course should know this.Dunno - who d'you think I am? Inquiring minds would like to know.
And by the way, I was official translator for the Graham defence page, till my sickness, and if you are that smart, like you would like to show here, then you would see, that the donation button, went straight on their page. At least I can say, and I can prove this as well, I helped in a Native American issue, to free an innocent Native American person. What have you done to support them? Searching Web pages, just to call somebody a Fraud?Thanks once again, Tanja, for exposing what you are not. From the way you express things, an "NA issue" obviously is not speaking about your people, it's what have you done for them. Apart from that, those who need to know what I do and have done already know, and I'm not inclined to engage in a bragging contest with you.
How would you translate “ Indianer-Stones “ ? Of course it is Native American Stones.I don't use the term 'ndn stones' in the first place. Apparently, despite having read quite a lot on ndn cultures for some 40 years, I seem to have missed information on this issue. But I'm always eager to learn. Can you please explain to me what 'ndn stones' may be?
It is not always easy to translate different German words in English, so it can mean the same. This still don’t make me a fraud.Errors in translation don't make you a fraud. Selling dubious 'ndn stones', dreamcatchers, alleged ndn jewelry 'made by a friend' etc, and claiming ndn ancestry does.
The reason, why I didn’t mentioned the person, who made some of items, was his wish not to be mentioned namely.Comes in handy, I suppose, that person's modesty. Why should an ndn producer of handicrafts ask not to mention their name?
We know, who we are, and I proved it.No, you didn't prove anything.
And we will still attend on Pow Wows, if you like it or not, because I have all the right to attend, and so has my husband, even he is not Native. We have been told from different Native American Tribes, that we should not give in, and we will not give in.There will be lots of powwows to attend, I agree - all in Germany, where you don't have to be ndn to participate. Just out of curiosity: which ndn nations told you this?
If you are really not Linda, then I will apologize, but then you make it very hard for me not to believe that you are Linda, because you are using the exact quotes from Linda from her group. But still, even if you did not say something about me, you insulted and accused my husband, and this is insulting me.
Does anybody know anything about this pair? They are scheduled to do a "Native American style ritual" in the London (UK) area on Feb 1st:QuoteWe will offer prayers up to Great Spirit and Mother Earth which in the Pagan tradition honours the Gods and Goddess’s. Or, as we say Grandfather Sun, Grandmother Moon, Father Sky and Mother Earth. You will see during this ceremony many similarities between Pagan, Christian and Native American Spiritual beliefs and this is because all things are connected to the circle of life.From: http://www.pflondon.org/html/events___courses.html (http://www.pflondon.org/html/events___courses.html)
Sounds quite barf-worthy to me. Haven't been able to find much about them on the web - "Grandfather Grey Wolf" has a website: www.wolfcrystalspirit.com (http://www.wolfcrystalspirit.com), which isn't very informative (but which lists "Native American culture" amongst his hobbies!)
Fabulous first time ritual in the Native American style conducted and choreographed by Grey Wolf and Tonya, herself of the Cherokee Nation.I'm glad you have reconsidered what you are doing and you have decided not to do the " Native American style " "ritual" " purification ceremony" that was advertised in the first link that was posted .
We will offer prayers up to Great Spirit and Mother Earth which in the Pagan tradition honours the Gods and Goddess’s. Or, as we say Grandfather Sun, Grandmother Moon, Father Sky and Mother Earth. You will see during this ceremony many similarities between Pagan, Christian and Native American Spiritual beliefs and this is because all things are connected to the circle of life.
After prayers we will all drum and stomp dance around the Yew Tree, so please bring a musical instrument with you if you have one or just clap your hands when you feel the Native American rhythms enter your body and lift up your spirit. In essence this is a purification ceremony to prepare you for the spring and is a joyous and happy one, however like all ceremonies there are a few do’s and don’ts which I would like you to observe.
We will be dressed in traditional Native American style clothing and if you want to wear such clothes yourself please do but remember to observe the following protocols.
Eagle feathers are deemed to be Sacred to us and may only be worn by warriors or veterans and only if they have been given to you and not shop bought. On this occasion I will not be wearing Eagle feathers.
Men and women may both wear feathers but you should know the following traditions about wearing feathers. Pointing down means peace, pointing sideways means friendship, pointing straight up means war.
And finally, it is imperative that you all have a bloody good time, Wear bright and colourful clothes, and have lots of laughter, music, dancing, eating, drinking, jokes and clowning around once all the formal stuff is finished. We will be playing CD’s of Native American music which we know you will enjoy and really get into the spirit of the occasion.
Mitakuye Oyasin (we are all related)
Aho!
Grandfather Grey Wolf
I wish to draw a clear distinction here between (OUR) a recognised Mi'kmaq and representative of The International Intertribal Council and Mohammed Ali,an Asian gentleman currently the recogised MC of the Uk Hobbiest network.
The Legal Department of the International Intertribal Council has been made aware of and is in possession of a statement made by Mrs Tanya Billingtons own mother,or persons purporting to be, that Mrs Tanya Billington is of Austrian extraction and genetic heritage.
Mrs Billington has been advised that theft of living relatives individual life stories tantamounts to identity theft.
And this is the position currently taken by our legal department.
Mr Francis Billington currently operationing under the puesdo name Greywolf, at the Bison Farm Hobbiest Pow Wow in 2006,did confront two recognised Members of the Indian Nation(Female) and physically,verbally and racially assaulted both these recognised persons of the Indian Nations. In total violation of UK,Europen and International conventions and laws pertaining to race relations and human and civil rights.
This matter is currently before our legal department to decide what legal action may be taken.
We strongly advise Mr Frances Billington to re-establish contact with PC 3435 in Hallam of the Surrey constabulary to discuss any and all rights pertaining to ethic minorities within the UK befire he puts himself into a position of further slandering and libelling the individuals he so racially abused at The Bison Farm Pow Wow.
We wish to make it clear that the small minority of individuals opertaioning on the Pow Wow circuit within Europe that further threats,intimidation tactics,racial abuse and threats against home,family and well being against ex patriots of the Indian Nations living abroad will not be tolerated and legal action will be taken against those who commit outrageous acts of racism.
In the spirit
very sincerely
Zoi Lightfoot.
Current Recognised Director and Legal Advisor to the IIC
Footnote:
This was dictated to me by Zoi Lightfoot....Linda..Mi'kmaq Nation.
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You don’t even know us, but you accusing us in this way. If you got nothing better to do, than to resort to witless and sarcastic remarks, then shame on you.
What gives you this idea, that he would collect people like stamps ?His own words, of course.
I have my doubts as to whether "Little Crow" is NDN at all. He reminds me so much of someone Barnaby and I met at the first speech, an Englishman with a huge nose who tried to dress like Sitting Bull.
We make a very big "thank You" to the following friends of "Little Paradise", whose support, personal commitment and engagement helps to develop the vision to reality:
Tonya Hounting Wolf and Greywolf from London, Great Britain, for their donation.
A message to all Native Tribes around the world...The Elders need to come together for the sake of all the people; they need to be introduced back to their spirit.
My wife has a German father and a Cherokee mother and has been able to prove her Cherokee heritage but still has to go through the process of getting her enrollment card from the Cherokee Nation and those of you who have had the same problems in proving your Native American Indian lineage know just how difficult this can be.
from their yahoo group:
"...everything we do is given freely and not for profit..."
...guess that means Mr Billington does not get paid for giving Pyschic Readings in Regalia on TV? On a THursday morning folks if you are really really interested!
1. The word "hount" is German. The English word is "haunt". Perhaps one of our German members can verify this as I am not
a German speaker myself and know you cannot always rely on Internet translations. If I am mistaken, I apologise as it
is not my intention to present false or misleading information.
I am not an expert by any means but I do know that to some degree Austrian German speakers have a different way of talking German.To a degree, yes. Sometimes to a greater degree so that Germans, Austrians and German speaking Swiss people have coined the phrase of "the common language which divides us". However, the 'Duden' is the same for all German speaking countries (and includes entries of 'exotic' sounding words used in Austria and Switzerland), and there is nothing like 'hount' in there. It would also be a most unusual spelling in German (the 'ou').
I happened to find this web site with Hawk Hounting.Oops - I'd put that down to 'great minds think alike and fools do seldom differ' ;)
http://www.burger.si/Austria/Werfen/360Hohenwerfen.HTM
As her mother is Austrian maybe this explains the spelling.I don't think so. Mr B himself mentioned his wife went to school in Germany, and the differences between Austrian and German dialects are largely not in spelling but in the use of altogether different words, like e.g. whereas we say 'Tomate' (tomato), the Austrian say 'Paradeiser' (from 'paradise apple), our 'Kartoffel' (potato) is 'Erdaepfel' (earth apple) in Austrian.
.is that the same as Elvis saying..aint nothing but a hounddogYep - or as in the 'Hound of Baskerville' (shiver). English language today uses the word 'hound' in a more limited way, my dictionary says it means hunting dog or villain, and in idioms like 'ride to hounds' and 'hound down'. On the other hand, we've also given you the term 'Schweinehund' /shvinehoont/ ;) which used to be the term for a dog used to herd pigs.
This has to be the most fascinating thread I have ever read in this forum. First of all, this is the first time I have ever known anyone who has been accused of being a fraud, to post to the forum in an attempt, although feeble, to defend themselves.
do they really teach "Crystal Healing" in the Universities in Germany?Where did T/T/T say so? I must read that with my own eyes to believe it :D
This is the post T/T/T made to her group regarding her studying crystals in University in Germany I presume.Thanks very much.
Hiya all,
here is a little about Crystals. I have still so much
information' s about crystals. These I got and studied
in different courses from the University. Hope you can
use it somehow.
Love and Hugs
Tonya
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Hiya all,
I really like all the names, and how they came.
Ok here is mine :
The word hounting is really not a real word, but it is a mixture, between hunting ( since I always chased animals - not to hunt them, but to watch them ), and haunted ( because I always felt / sensed / seen things, what other people could not understand, and it was a little haunted to them ) and howling ( since I love the sound of the howling wolfs )
The wolf is one of my power animals and also I had different experiences with wolfes. That is why I am now
Tonya Hountingwolf
The name was given to me from some of the tribal elders. So it is my real name now ( after I had many difficulties of registering this name with the authorities. )
Love, Light and Hugs
Tonya
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Post subject: Re: Members Names
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:01 pm
Very good guess then Plur.
But I also have a second name, which is Eagleeye.
So my real complete name is : Tonya Hountingwolf Eagleeye Billington ( sounds silly I know )
And the name Eagleeye was also given to me from tribal elders. Actually it was my first name I was given.
I had 2 exeriences with eagles.
One was where a huge eagle was landing right in front of me. And I tell you, I was scared, because then you really could see how big it really is.
And the second one is, that I was able to make a sound like an eagle and very often, just a few minutes after this, there were 2 eagles coming and circling over me.
In our culture the eagle is the most sacred animal, because Eagle can fly the highest and is with this the closest to spirit, but still the Eagle can see everything what is going on on the ground.
Just a little insight.
Love and Hugs
Tonya
my real complete name is : Tonya Hountingwolf Eagleeye Billington ( sounds silly I know )I almost fell off my chair laughing - Adlerauge!!!!!, that's a name used by children here when they play ndns and cowboys. Since you claim to be fluent in Cherokee - what's your alleged names in Cherokee language?
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I think that nicely sums up the whole new age phenomenon.
1. The word "hount" is German. The English word is "haunt". Perhaps one of our German members can verify this as I am not
a German speaker myself and know you cannot always rely on Internet translations. If I am mistaken, I apologise as it
is not my intention to present false or misleading information.
Errm, the internet was not quite wrong, but also not quite right. There is no 'hount' in German language (the German word 'Hund' and the English 'hound' go back to the same root), the equivalent in meaning of the English 'haunt' is 'umgehen/verfolgen'. I assumed that Ms T/T/T intended to go either by the nick of 'Huntingwolf' or 'Hauntingwolf' and failed to look up the correct spelling, and also, in case of 'Hauntingwolf', was not too sure about the meaning of the terms, as both 'haunt' and 'stalk' can be translated as 'verfolgen'.
Hiya everybody,http://onebigcircle.org/obcforum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=650
I just feel, I should also post some of the things I learned about Pow Wow, and I want to say before I start, that I learned long time ago, that there is no right or wrong way of doing things, there is only the spiritual way.
And I want to add, that those are some of the Pow Wow Rules which we are using, but this doesn't mean, that all Native nations are doing this in the same way, because it is hard to find "Pow Wow Rules" which will suit all the nations.
The reason for writing this here, is that I realise, that more and more people are interested in Native American Spirituality, and with this also interested of going to Pow Wows. The most Native nations are very happy to know, that more and more countries in the world are performing Pow Wows to keep the traditions alive. But some native nations are also aware, that the proper Pow Wow etiquette must take place, to not disturb our spirits, warriors, anchestors - our church.
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So lets start now with the general rules :
A Pow Wow is one event where you may see Natives across the globe, gathered in one place with a common purpose - the celebration of their heritage.
After Grand Entry the pow wow will be in full swing and you will see the most outstanding dancers. Breaks between some dances will give you time to look around or to see some Native American craftwork.
1.) If you are in a hurry, don't go. When you enter the grounds ( sometimes called "Stomp grounds" ), you are on "indian time". Forget clocks, time and schedules. Be in the moment in every sense of the word.
2.) Take folding chairs to sit on. Stake out your spot ouside the arena markers. Don't sit in someone's elses chair, or in a spot, that is marked with someone elses belongings.
3.) The temperatures can get extreme. Now don't wimp out. Look at what the dancers are wearing, and the heat they are dancing in. They don' have summer light regalia.
4.) If you take your pet, be sure it stays on a leash. Also if you take your pet be considerate of others and take your pooper scooper as well to clean up any messes it may make.
5.) Mobile Phones, as a courtesy, should be turned off when you are near the arena. If you must take a call, excuse yourself from the arena area. Mobiles phones ringing during a song are considered rude and the singers may take offence. Please turn them off when you are near the arena.
6.) When you attend a Pow Wow, it is important to remember that you are a guest, and an observer of ancient ceremonies and tradititions that have survived every possible adversity.
7.) Under no Circumstances is Alkohol or drugs allowed on Pow Wow Grounds. Alkohol is the greatest curse ever visited on the Native American, and it will not be tolerated.
The area for dancing and ceremonies is called the arena, and it's boundaries will be marked by a circle.It is common to see teepees and lodges set up on the grounds. These are not open to the public. Pow Wow participiants live in the teepees during the gathering, and they are, in fact, their homes for the duration. Respect their privacy. Many dancers will be happy to have a look if you ask them for permission.
Once the dance arena has been blessed with sage and prayer, it becomes spiritual and sacred ground. Do not walk across the arena, and don't allow your children to run into the arena.
If you see a dancer's feather fall to ground DO NOT PICK IT UP!! It is a sacred artefact and must then have a prayer song to bless it and be retrieved. Also the ground will be cleaned and blessed with smudging and prayer.
If you see a lost feather, or yourself drop a feather , do NOT pick it up. Notify the nearest Head Man Dancer or Arena Director immediately. If you drop some part of your Regalia, DON'T PICK IT UP. Dance in place beside it until the Arena Director picks it up for you. You will probably be asked to give something for it's return to you. All dropped atricles belong to the Arena Director.
When an eagle feather is dropped, is Pow Wow is stopped, and a special ceremony is performed to pick it up. This is like a falling warrior.
Pow Wows are non-profit and depend upon donations, raffles, blanket dances etc. for support. Donations are encouraged as a way to honor someone.
Feel free to take Photos with the exception of the flag songs, prayer songs or honour dances. If you see a dancer, who is especially striking, ask if you may take a picture.
A dancer's clothing is Regalia - not a costume or an "outfit" and is a prized possession. Some Regalia has been handed down through generations, and is priceless. When a dancer decides to "come out" in a particular style, the Regalia reflects the spirit and customs of the people being honored. This is no small desicion, and a "coming out" ceremony for a new dancer is cause for great celebration.
The regalia is handmade, usually by the dancer, friends and family, and every article has a special meaning. It takes years to collect the items until the Regalia is complete, and this involves no small expense. DO NOT EVER TOUCH a dancer's Regalia without permission. The Regalia is an expression of spirit, and has been prayed over and blessed. Honor it, the person wearing it, and the living history it represents.
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So my family,
this was the first part of the Pow Wow Trails, and I hope this can help you understand, why it is so important to know the do's and the don't s before going on a Pow Wow.
And I hope, this is still interesting to you all.
Next Part of the Pow Wow Trails will be something about the different dances and the names of it.
So for everybody, who is interested watch out this space.
Puh, this was a lot what I wrote.
Love and hugs
Tonya
I'm curious if anything said is true and legit or if it's all BS (re: the Pow Wow, rituals, edicate, etc--some like no cell phones make sense, but some others?)...
When you enter the grounds ( sometimes called "Stomp grounds" )
What is the difference between a pow wow and a stomp dance?
Pow wows began in the west with Plains Indians. They were tribal gatherings where people would gather to celebrate and renew family and tribal ties.
Modern pow wows began to gain momentum in the late 1940’s and 1950’s. They evolved from tribal to intertribal celebrations. They are often times held for competition with prizes
being awarded for performance.
The Stomp Dance is a religious, or ceremonial dance which is private to those who practice traditional ceremonies.
Can anyone advise me if there is an update on this pair please? they recently traded at an event in the UK, marketing themselves as 'Tribal Elders' and Tonya produced some sort of Cherokee ID card? Do such things exist or is this just the same nonsense continuing?
Real Elders don't go to other countries to sell ceremonies to white people.
The wolf is one of my power animals and also I had different experiences with wolfes. That is why I am now Tonya Hountingwolf.
The name was given to me from some of the tribal elders. So it is my real name now ( after I had many difficulties of registering this name with the authorities. )
I was positively surprised how fast and easy the change of name was. Also all offices accepted the deed poll. No problems what so ever.
Is there anyway one can identify a fake ID to the real thing? This thread is quite old, maybe she has proved her lineage now? I don't know, but I have an issue with people trading off of false spirituality, just to make money. I need to be sure that they are genuine.
Of course I have a German accent, because I am also part German and raced most of my years in Germany. If you would live in Italy the most of your life, and grown up there as a baby, then you would also have an Italian accent, when speaking English.
And since the German Authorities could not accept the name Tonya, we made Tanja out of this, otherwise I would not be able to register the domain.
I have an extremely difficult problem which I must solve by the middle of April. Please help me if you can. The case: my mother has lived in the USA since 1989 after she married an American (who was before with the Army in Germany). After she moved there, it turned into a disaster and he "seized" all the papers of my mother (passport, identity card, etc.) and burned all the documents in front of witnesses. Since then my mother has had an "illegal status" since she never obtained new documents.
I neglected to mention the people I spoke with concerning this pair said a differant story was relayed to them from T/T/T. My sources say T/T/T claimed to have been born on a reservation in Georgia, has no American birth certificate but does have a piece of paper from an elder documenting her birth. Curious minds need to know how she managed to get from Georgia to Germany without the birth certificate which is needed in order to obtain an American passport. I'll answer that for you, T/T/T. It didn't happen. There are no Cherokee reservations in Georiga.
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I have attended most Pow Wows in the UK for the last five years, and I do admit I know very little about the American Indian ways but I am trying to learn... slowly. I don’t know all the Pow Wow rules and Pow Wow etiquette. But I would like to know if TTT is not of Cherokee descent or a true ndn how is she or her husband allowed to carry the Cherokee flag in the opening Grand Entry ceremony? This may be a minor thing but knowing what I know about them now and the truth about TTT it makes me angry every time I see it, and I do not think it is complimentary to the true Native American people who attend these Pow Wows.
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my husband and I are affected. I am disabled and my husband is a pensioner and also not in good health. We live in housing accommodation and are on a very low income. Sometimes we cannot even have a meal everyday. So this bedroom tax really hurts us.
I heard him say Tanya now has proof of her Native American heritage via DNA and papers showing linage, does anyone know if this is the case?
My wife can prove her Cherokee heritage and has done nothing to dishonor or disrespect the ndn people.
Tanya now has proof of her Native American heritage via DNA
How would I go about finding out if this DNA was correct, though I have to say the paperwork looks handmade, but I don’t what to publicly out them without knowing for sure can I use extracts from this forum?
Some time ago, I read an article that in tests in Iceland, they found mt-DNA which had definitely haplo groups found in Native Americans. But this is the most that can be established from knowing a person's mt-DNA: that somewhere in the line of that person's ancestry, a native woman came into the family. You cannot tell of which nation this woman may have been, nor even the region she originally came from - and last not least: the ancestor passing this mt-DNA may have lived centuries ago (as was most probably the case with the persons found in Iceland).
So if Mr Billington brags about a DNA test having confirmed Tanja was native - that's BS. It only means that at the beginning of her ancestral line, the female involved was a Native American. This does not make her ndn.
Sorry to keep on just need to get this right, DNA even though the paperwork states she has Native American DNA or origins this would not prove Native American heritage just a DNA connection to a Native American family member somewhere in her direct past? So she could not say she is Cherokee German then? Or even indigenous Native American & German?
What about GW and his adoption into the Backwater Band of the Lower Muskogee? The membership card he shows everyone does look real, but how real is real in his case. I did read on an earlier post it was fake. I must admit I have never trusted GW but always thought better of Tanya such a shock
Sorry to keep on just need to get this right, DNA even though the paperwork states she has Native American DNA or origins this would not prove Native American heritage just a DNA connection to a Native American family member somewhere in her direct past? So she could not say she is Cherokee German then? Or even indigenous Native American & German?
What about GW and his adoption into the Backwater Band of the Lower Muskogee? The membership card he shows everyone does look real, but how real is real in his case. I did read on an earlier post it was fake. I must admit I have never trusted GW but always thought better of Tanya such a shock
It gets worse, you can’t trust anything they say, I’m in shock.
Thank you for clearing up the DNA part with Tanya, she has only ever said to me it was her grandmother that was Native AmericanThat's actually a new turn in her legend - it used to be her mother.
she describes herself to others at NAF’s that she is German Native American Heritage and try’s to honor her ancestors by living Native American spirituality, ...Tanja still hasn't learned that there is no 'Native American spirituality', no generic one, but one for every nation. Also, it's in no way honoring native ancestry to go and mix native spirituality with Newage garbage like selling healing stones which she called 'Indian stones'.
The Blackwater Band is no longer in operation, says it all, though I would have loved a headed letter saying they kicked him out and why.As far as I can remember, the story behind this was that some ex-pat Natives living in Europe went to confront the Billingtons at a European powwow and our most talented clearvoyant (another thing he did not foresee...) flew off his handle and did not stop at verbal injuries.
I’m so angry with them, him more than her Tanya just seems delusionalI don't think she's just delusional. If you reread this thread, you will see she came up with lots of explanations and weaseled along (and around) the questions raised here. My impression is she knows quite well what she does and who she is and isn't.
Tanja's mother (Veronika Rossman Siegal Griffin):
http://stayfriends.berlin.de/Personen/Darmstadt/Veronika-Griffin-Rossmann-P-GF3SV-P