Hi. I am wondering if anyone here has any information about Kai Pyle. They are a professor at the Univerisity of Wisconsin Madison and claim Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis. I have had a few people ask me about them.
I did work up their genealogy.
I'm just a random person on line. I suggest that folks ask Kai Pyle who their specific claimed Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis people are.
QuoteAs a Baawiting Nishnaabe, Métis, and Polish-American descendant, I first became interested in learning my heritage languages (mainly Polish, Michif, and Ojibwe) when I was 14 years old. One of my grandmothers grew up speaking Polish, while the other had been raised in foster care and didn't know any of her family's Michif, Ojibwe, and Métis French languages.
https://whereareyourkeys.org/wayk-summer-team-introduction-kai-pyle/
QuoteFinally, I want to acknowledge my family: my mother Jean and father Bob, my
sister Shannon—who I have more in common with as a fellow educator than I ever would
have imagined—and my grandmothers Louise and Diane, who remain ever-formidable
presences in my family
.
https://conservancy.umn.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/26ddca47-fbf1-4b35-891c-3c2218644cc4/content
The above quote helped me verify what I was working on.
I do see Polish descent. That is on their maternal grandmother's side.
Their paternal grandmother's side is not at all as they describe.
I find this to be a depressing case. Kai Pyle is young. I don't know why they are claiming Sault Ste Marie Ojibwe and Red River Métis. I could be missing something, but I don't think so. And no one should have to work up their genealogy. They need to be able to easily talk about their claimed people and communities.
Someone sent a message to me about Kai Pyle (KP) when the Kay LeClaire thread was getting significant attention. I didn't look at KP's genealogy and claims until later. In my opinion, there are reasons to question KP's claims. At the same time, I want to be clear that it's possible KP may have distant Native American (NA) ancestry. An anomaly in the documentation is that KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings are marked as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records. I will provide one potential theory below. I want to be transparent up front about that information but emphasize there are big issues with KP's claims. KP has made very specific claims to being Sault Ste Marie and Metis on social media that don't appear to hold up to scrutiny.
KP deleted their social media accounts at some point in time. I will be attaching social media screen shots since the accounts are no longer available to link. I can't attach all the screenshots to one post but will be adding the screenshots as supporting evidence in additional posts over the next day or two.
Sault Ste Marie Anishinaabe Claims
I've attached two screenshots from a FB post in which KP claims to descend from Mrs. Battise Plant on the Sault Ste Marie 1907 Durant Roll. On KP's post, someone helpfully posts a page from a book compiled by Raymond C. Lantz. It is Horace B. Durant's field notes from the development of the 1907 Durant Roll. Durant was tasked with taking the 1870 Payment Roll and determining if the people listed were still alive and if they had descendants.
Durant determined that Mrs. Battise Plant had three children. KP claims in the post that Pauline Plant Lalone is their 2x great-aunt. The problem is that the other two children of Mrs. Battise Plant were reported by Pauline Plant Lalone to have died 23 years ago with no descendants. Pauline Plant Lalone wrote she had one child: Fred Payment. Fred Payment had three children: Sadie, Fred, and Cecil Payment. You don't need to see KP's genealogy to spot immediate issues with what KP is claiming.
It's interesting that KP's 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, and his siblings are listed as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records when records from the previous generation don't seem to corroborate this. Alexander LaPlante's oldest sibling was born in 1835 while he was born in 1848. The 1836 Chippewa and Ottawa Treaty coincided with the birth of Alexander's older sister. $150,000 was negotiated by the tribes for their half breed family members. It was widely covered in the news and fraudulent applications were received. I checked the 1836 Half Breed Payment Roll (those accepted) and didn't find any of KP's ancestors. Some people have tried to link a "Catherine Brodwine" as Alexander's mother...but none of the demographic information matches. I can't definitively explain the birth record anomaly, but the timing is interesting. I'd love it if someone can provide a more definitive answer. The Litte Chute Historical Society has more information about this line: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I423802&tree=lc
Kai Pyle's Genealogy
Below is KP's paternal ancestry. KP claims to be NA through paternal grandmother, Louise Ellen (LaPlante) Pyle. The paternal grandmother is living and remarried with a different surname which I won't be posting. Additional details can be provided to a NAFPS moderator if requested. IMPORTANT - I've found no evidence of KP's paternal grandmother, parents, or sibling claiming to be NA. There are individuals on Ancestry.com, likely distant relatives of KP, trying to prove NA ancestry from certain individuals. I didn't see anything in the Ancestry.com discussion around this issue that changes the overall problems with KP's specific claims. I do believe it's possible KP's family had family lore about being NA but how does that translate to KP making a very specific claim of descent from Mrs. Battise Plant?
KP claims their family has spent time in foster care and orphanages. KP links this to boarding schools and speaks definitively about the children being taken from family due to being NA. In my opinion, this is only partially true. KP's paternal grandmother was in foster care. There is no indication of it being because of NA ancestry. In a social media post, KP claims an article about their paternal grandmother's foster parents praises the foster parents for "taking in sad little Indian foster kids." The actual article from 1953 was easy to find and it doesn't say anything about KP's paternal grandmother being a "sad little Indian foster kid." There's no mention of race at all.
KP's great-aunt and great-uncle were in an orphanage in Green Bay during the 1950 US Federal Census. They are listed as "White" on that census. In contrast, there were multiple children in the orphanage listed as being NA. Why wouldn't KP's great-aunt and great-uncle be listed as NA? KP claimed on social media that someone was in an Oneida boarding school. I didn't specifically look for this record but someone else could check it.
Great-Grandmother, Rose Catherine Keller, was reportedly in an orphanage and then in a foster/adoptive home. This is true but, once again, there's no evidence of it being because of NA ancestry. The reunion of Rose Catherine Keller, listed as Mrs. Clarence La Plante, with her birth mother and sister was covered by the Marshfield News Herald on January 29, 1929. The article contains no mention of the family being NA. Rose Catherine Keller lived with a German foster family and her biological parents appear to be of German ancestry, as well. Please note: Rose Catherine Keller is listed as Mrs. Clarence La Plante (nee Clara La Plante) in the article. "Clara" seems to be an inadvertent error.
Metis Ancestry
I don't usually go past 1800 on these family trees. I can't rule out that KP has an NA ancestor back in the late 1600's or early 1700's but even if KP were to have an ancestor back that far, does it really matter if so many of KP's specific claims aren't verifiable? It appears that all French-Canadian lines go back to Quebec and not Red River. How is KP Metis? Which lines go back to Red River? The Historical Society of Saint-Boniface could assist KP with documentation of their Metis heritage.
Disclaimer
All of this research was done using publicly available information. It is my opinion. There is a lack of clarity on some lines that could lead to a Native American ancestor. The purpose of this research was to verify KP's specific claims - not to find distant ancestry. Please forgive any typos - this was prepared quickly and I couldn't find spell check in the new forum format.
PARENTS OF KAI PYLE
Robert D. Pyle
B: 1960's
D: Living
Jean M. Wichlacz
B: 1960's
D: Living
PARENTS OF ROBERT D. PYLE
James Jerome Pyle
B: 14 AUG 1939 - Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA
D: 20 FEB 1978 – Outagamie County, Wisconsin, USA
Louise Ellen LaPlante
B: 1940 • Wisconsin, USA
D: Living
PARENTS OF LOUISE ELLEN LAPLANTE
Clarence LaPlante
B: 23 MAR 1907 - Door County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 17 FEB 1944 - Green Bay, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Rose Catherine Keller (ALSO KNOWN BY FOSTER FAMILY NAME: ROZIK)
B: 3 FEB 1911 - Marinette County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 19 MAY 1981 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF ROSE CATHERINE KELLER (RAISED BY FOSTER PARENTS - MARY AND ANDREW ROZIK)
Matthew J Keller (FAMILY IS LIKELY GERMAN)
B: 1870 – Wisconsin, USA
D: Unknown
Mary Louise Krause (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 20 DEC 1886 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
D: 15 SEP 1949 - Oconto County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF CLARENCE LAPLANTE
Frank A LaPlant
B: 15 FEB 1874 - Bay Settlement, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 4 DEC 1957 - Racine, Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Frances F Beard (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 21 JUL 1882 - Ellison Bay, Door, Wisconsin, USA
D: 15 FEB 1936 - Sturgeon Bay, Door County, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF FRANK A. LAPLANTE
Alexander LaPlante
B: ABT 1848 - Wisconsin, USA
D: 1883
Sophie Douville
B: 17 SEP 1854 - Manitowoc Rapids, Manitowoc, Wisconsin, USA
D: 5 SEP 1934 - Baileys Harbor, Door, Wisconsin, USA
PARENTS OF ALEXANDER LAPLANTE
John Baptiste LaPlante
B: 1792 - Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
D: 1847 - Bay Settlement, Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Theotiste Beaudoin
B: 17 NOV 1823 - Mackinac Island, Mackinac, Michigan, USA
D: 5 MAR 1869 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
Two screenshots of one of the social media post referenced in the previous post are attached. It's KP claiming to be descended from Mrs. Battise Plant.
This is KP's Tumblr post in which they claim an article was written praising their paternal grandmother's abusive foster parents taking in "sad little Indian kids." I'm going to try to attach the actual article (which doesn't say anything about race) in a separate post due to size.
This is the actual foster care article split into three parts. It appeared in the Green Bay Press Gazette on September 1, 1953.
KP's ancestor Theotiste Beaudoin was born in Mackinaw City, Michigan. Little Chute Historical Society has the parents of Theotiste Beaudoin as being born in Quebec. This makes it highly unlikley there is any Sault Ste Marie Anishinaabe or Metis ancestry through this line.
PARENTS OF THEOTISTE BEAUDOIN
Francois Beaudoin
b. 06 Apr 1785, Repentigny, Québec, Canada
d. 01 Feb 1850, Green Bay, Brown, Wisconsin
Marie Catherine Gauvreau
b. 25 Nov 1791, Québec, Canada
d. 25 May 1864, Bay Settlement, Brown, Wisconsin
SOURCE: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I334470&tree=lc
Interestingly, this couple had a child in Wisconsin in 1834. The Wisconsin birth record lists the child as "white" despite the full sibling (Theotiste) going on to have children marked as "half breed" on the same record type.
Husband of Theotiste Beaudoin, John Baptiste La Plante, was born in Quebec.
This article was in the Sheboygan Press on January 28, 1929. It's about Rose Catherine Keller La Plante being reunited with her birth mom and sister.
These are three screenshots from KP's social media that make specific claims:
1: KP claims a specific ancestor received treaty payments.
2. KP claims their grandmother has "one Ojibwe parent from Sault Ste Marie and one Michif parent from Winnipeg."
3. KP claimed to be going through their great-aunt's genealogy files to pursue enrollment. Claims their great-uncle attended an "Oneida Indian boarding school" for a year.
These are very specific claims which KP should be able to prove.
Dr. Kai Pyle identifies as a Two-Spirit person. They've published research on Two-Spirit themes, from their own claimed identity as Two-Spirit.
Two-Spirit = "a contemporary pan-Indian umbrella term used by some Indigenous North Americans to describe Native people who fulfill a traditional third-gender (or other gender-variant) social role in their communities" (Wikipedia source).
If a person is not actually Native American, can they rightfully claim "Two-Spirit" identity?
If I was Dr. Pyle's student, I'd be concerned. And upset.
If an academic is trans and an outsider (not Native American) - that is what I'd want to know. I'm perfectly fine with that. That academic can publish on Two-Spirit themes if they are clear on who they are and who they are not.
Because Dr. Pyle makes confusing and flaky claims about their heritage, I'd not have much trust in their scholarship.
(Claimed identity: "Kai Pyle is a Two-Spirit Métis and Sault Ste. Marie Anishinaabe interdisciplinary scholar from Green Bay, Wisconsin" https://shekonneechie.ca/biographies/kai-pyle/ )
I'm struck by how much Dr. Pyle doesn't seem to know about their heritage. Or how to do accurate genealogy.
Look at how much Advanced Smite has been able to work up.
I'm following along with what Smite has posted and also what I find on Ancestry, Family Search, and Wisconsin Historical Society.
Dr. Pyle says they aren't able to find a great grandfather's birth certificate. But I can see that it is available for purchase online.
I think the main thing is that its time to for Dr. Pyle to hire a professional genealogist. This needs to be done without trying to prove anything other than the facts. One step at a time.
Maybe this is a case of family stories that are inaccurate. That can be cleared up. Dr. Pyle is motivated to "find" Native American heritage. They are trying to prove something that may not be true. Accurate genealogy doesn't work that way.
Quick correction to my prior post. The full copy of the great grandfather's birth certificate can currently be seen on microfilm at the Wisconsin Historical Society. The Society is updating their online ordering system and it is not otherwise available at this time.
The Society does have an online index version of the birth certificate. Also available elsewhere.
More social media screenshots...
Another social media screenshot...
Quote from: Sandy S on March 28, 2026, 02:03:32 PMI'm struck by how much Dr. Pyle doesn't seem to know about their heritage. Or how to do accurate genealogy.
Look at how much Advanced Smite has been able to work up.
I'm following along with what Smite has posted and also what I find on Ancestry, Family Search, and Wisconsin Historical Society.
Dr. Pyle says they aren't able to find a great grandfather's birth certificate. But I can see that it is available for purchase online.
I think the main thing is that its time to for Dr. Pyle to hire a professional genealogist. This needs to be done without trying to prove anything other than the facts. One step at a time.
Maybe this is a case of family stories that are inaccurate. That can be cleared up. Dr. Pyle is motivated to "find" Native American heritage. They are trying to prove something that may not be true. Accurate genealogy doesn't work that way.
Thank you for all your work on this one, Sandy S. I feel like KP actually knows quite a bit about their genealogy. KP reminds me of Kay LeClaire in that they take real ancestors and modify their life stories to fit a narrative. I found KP's post about several Metis genealogy websites being gateways to raceshifting revealing. If you accept it at face value, KP is judging people asking for help finding documentation of NA ancestry. KP chose to create stories around their family with actual facts interwoven rather than honestly seek assistance or take accountability.
"Context: my grandmother has one Ojibwe parent from Sault Ste Marie and one Michif parent from Winnipeg. Why should she (and her descendants, including me) have to choose to be one or the other?"
This from a social media clip by KP that Advanced Smite posted earlier.
So, what tribal community claims KP? What community are they in-person active in?
KP appears to believe they are eligible for enrollment in a federally recognized tribe. Federally recognized tribes are self governing political entities, they get to determine their membership. As a Nation, they get to state that citizens must be citizens of only one Nation.
Many citizens of federally recognized tribes also have other Native American heritage. Being a citizen doesn't exclude other heritage.
One of countless examples is Jacqueline Keeler who is enrolled in the Navajo Nation and is also of Yankton Dakota descent.
So, KP needs to learn about the sovereignty of federally recognized tribes.
If KP is not accepted as a citizen, but has demonstrable heritage - great. Heritage needs to be backed up by skilled genealogy and ideally with actual community involvement.
Why is KP asking about this online? To me, they sound like an outsider talking at mostly other outsiders.
On 10/23/2019, Kai Pyle (KP) posted a series of tweets about their grandmother being a "Metis/Nishnaabe woman" with names of ancestors, locations, and dates. Screenshots of the tweets are attached to this post. I've detailed the most significant factual discrepancies below.
Quote"My grandma's maternal grandmother was a Metis/Halfbreed woman whose father had been dispossessed post-1870 at Red River and whose mother received payments from the Treaty of Lake Poygan in Wisconsin. She lived until 1934 and passed on her stories to my great-auntie Donna-ban." 11:57 AM - 10/23/2019
KP's "grandma's maternal grandmother" is Mary Louise (nee Krause) Keller. See genealogy below. In my opinion, based on publicly available information, the parents of Mary Louise (nee Krause) Keller were born in Germany. Despite KP's social media posts making it sound like they have extensive family history knowledge, claiming Metis ancestry through the maternal grandmother of Louise Ellen (nee LaPlante) Pyle doesn't work.
Where are the records that show Mary Louise (nee Krause) Keller's father at Red River post-1870 being dispossessed of his land?
Where are the records that show Mary Louise (nee Krause) Keller's mother received payments from the Treaty of Lake Poygan? This claim is especially bizarre because the Treaty of Lake Poygan (https://web.archive.org/web/20110611065112/http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/dictionary/index.asp?action=view&term_id=810&keyword=Treaty+of+Lake+Poygan) was made with the Menominee in 1848. Does KP claim to be Menominee?
GRANDMOTHER OF KAI PYLELouise Ellen (nee LaPlante) Pyle
B: 1940 • Wisconsin, USA
D: Living
MOTHER OF LOUISE ELLEN LAPLANTE, GREAT-GRANDMOTHER OF KAI PYLERose Catherine (nee Keller/Rosik) LaPlante
B: 3 FEB 1911 - Marinette County, Wisconsin, USA
D: 19 MAY 1981 - Brown County, Wisconsin, USA
MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER OF LOUISE ELLEN LAPLANTE, 2X GREAT-GRANDMOTHER OF KAI PYLE Mary Louise (nee Krause) Keller (PARENTS BORN IN GERMANY)
B: 20 DEC 1886 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
D: 15 SEP 1949 - Oconto County, Wisconsin, USA
Dr. Kai Pyle posted about their "Metis grandma" having "one distant German ancestor" in 2021. Genealogy shows that their grandmother is actually half German and half French-Canadian. It makes sense that their grandmother would want to connect with her German heritage. Dr. Kai Pyle's stories about their grandmother being Metis and Ojibwe make less sense.
KP claims there are census records showing their great-grandmother's family spoke Cree. KP's great-grandmother's parents most likely spoke German...because they were born in Germany.
Dr. Kai Pyle was not happy someone had the audacity to question their lack of enrollment in the Sault Ste Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians. For enrollment, the Sault Ste Marie Tribe requires an applicant to have an ancestor on one of the base rolls listed below. It is a fairly liberal enrollment policy in terms of what is considered a base roll and the period of time (1836-1925) it covers. I've never come across anyone other than KP that claims to be a descendant of the Sault Ste Marie Tribe unless they are enrolled in another tribe that doesn't allow dual enrollment. It's difficult to
not qualify for enrollment if you have a Sault Ste Marie ancestor.
The "Blackfoot friend of a friend" definitely didn't make an ass out of themselves as alleged by KP. KP shouldn't have
assumed people wouldn't catch on eventually.
QuoteQ10. What are the names of the base rolls that the Sault Tribe uses and where can I find them?
A10. The base rolls used by the Sault Ste. Marie Tribe are:
• The Durant Roll of 1907-1910
• The 1870 Census and Annuity Payment Record for the Ottawa and Chippewa Indians of Michigan
• The Garden River Annuity Paylist for years 1846 through 1925
• Records concerning land allotments, including patents to the Sault Ste. Marie Chippewa Indians, or payments of grants or awards
• Any judgment award roll prepared in connection with the distribution of the judgment fund awarded for lands ceded by the Treaty of 1836.
Most of our rolls are listed online. Some are online but can only be viewed on a website that requires a paid membership. You can also purchase a copy of the Durant Roll and 1870 Annuity (in one book) through Heritage Books, Inc. If you live in the area, the rolls should be obtainable at your local library. We do not issue copies of our rolls yet. We hope to scan and have the rolls available on our webpage in the near future.
Source: Sault Ste Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians - FAQ (https://www.saulttribe.com/history-a-culture/21-membership-services/tribal-enrollment/8328-frequently-asked-questions-regarding-open-enrollment)
The attached social media screenshots may make you feel secondhand embarrassment for Dr. Kai Pyle.
In the first screenshot, KP laments that a grant doesn't exist which would pay them to live on the Sault Ste Marie reservation.
In the second screenshot, KP came face to face with their worst fear...racism...while driving to look at the family's old cottage. A man came out and wanted to know why they were there. Thankfully, KP was with their white mother and white grandmother "so it was not AS scary as it could have been."
Dr. Kai Pyle's thoughts on pretendians are in the social media screenshots below.
Kai Pyle (KP) posted on Tumblr about the NAFPS thread. Screenshots of that Tumblr post are attached. KP listed three issues with the genealogy that's been posted here. I've responded to each of these issues below.
Quotea) at least one ancestral line that was missed entirely
If KP is inferring the Sophia Douville line was left out accidentally, it wasn't. It was actually left out intentionally as only the genealogy necessary to verify KP's specific claims has been posted. This was clearly stated in my first post:
Quote from: Advanced Smite on March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMDisclaimer
All of this research was done using publicly available information. It is my opinion. There is a lack of clarity on some lines that could lead to a Native American ancestor. The purpose of this research was to verify KP's specific claims - not to find distant ancestry. Please forgive any typos - this was prepared quickly and I couldn't find spell check in the new forum format.
There are several Ancestry.com users that believe Sophia Douville's mother was Menominee. While that information would explain KP's tweet about an ancestor receiving annuity payments from the Treaty of Lake Poygan, it doesn't explain why:
- KP claims to be a Sault Ste Marie descendant through Mrs. Battise Plant.
- KP claims their paternal grandmother's mother was Red River Metis.
If Sophia Douville's mother was Menominee, it raises an even more interesting question - why does KP claim to be a Sault Ste Marie and Red River Metis descendant (see below) instead of Menominee?QuoteAs a Red River Métis and Sault Ste. Marie Ojibwe descendant, I am also interested in how present-day queer, trans, and Two-Spirit Indigenous people make connections with these ancestral legacies.
Source: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Direct Link: https://gws.wisc.edu/staff/pyle-kai/
Archive Link: https://archive.ph/CoHbQ
Quoteb) another line that clearly shows my ancestors as Halfbreeds which has been deemed unreliable for unclear reasons
This is quite disingenuous. KP says the "line" was "deemed unreliable for unclear reasons" which isn't true. One type of record, the Wisconsin birth record, identifies KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings as half breeds. I called it an "anomaly" because other records reviewed identify KP's 3x great-grandfather AND his parents as "white."
I was completely transparent about the existence of this documentation and candid about not having an explanation.
I never said it was unreliable BUT it is one record.
I would never say someone isn't Native American based on their family being documented as "white" on one record. Conversely, I would never say someone is Sault Ste Marie or Red River Metis based on a 3x great-grandfather being identified as a "half breed" on one record.There has to be more documentation than just the Wisconsin birth record that leads KP to believe their 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, is Sault Ste Marie. What is it?
Quote from: Advanced Smite on March 27, 2026, 12:57:17 AMIn my opinion, there are reasons to question KP's claims. At the same time, I want to be clear that it's possible KP may have distant Native American (NA) ancestry. An anomaly in the documentation is that KP's 3x great-grandfather and his siblings are marked as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records. I will provide one potential theory below. I want to be transparent up front about that information but emphasize there are big issues with KP's claims. KP has made very specific claims to being Sault Ste Marie and Metis on social media that don't appear to hold up to scrutiny.
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It's interesting that KP's 3x great-grandfather, Alexander LaPlante, and his siblings are listed as half breeds on their Wisconsin birth records when records from the previous generation don't seem to corroborate this. Alexander LaPlante's oldest sibling was born in 1835 while he was born in 1848. The 1836 Chippewa and Ottawa Treaty coincided with the birth of Alexander's older sister. $150,000 was negotiated by the tribes for their half breed family members. It was widely covered in the news and fraudulent applications were received. I checked the 1836 Half Breed Payment Roll (those accepted) and didn't find any of KP's ancestors. Some people have tried to link a "Catherine Brodwine" as Alexander's mother...but none of the demographic information matches. I can't definitively explain the birth record anomaly, but the timing is interesting. I'd love it if someone can provide a more definitive answer. The Litte Chute Historical Society has more information about this line: https://littlechutehistory.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I423802&tree=lc
Quotec) some information which just does not match up with the info and documentation I have
If KP has additional documentation that supports their claims, I will gladly request a NAFPS moderator move this thread to "Non Frauds."
"though I'm still trying to locate the last doc I would need to get enrolled"
This is ridiculous.
Dr. Pyle needs to stop flailing and connect up with wherever they believe they can be enrolled https://www.saulttribe.com/membership-services/tribal-enrollment
For their entire genealogy they need to pay for professional genealogy, for instance through an organization like this: https://members.apgen.org/members/directory/search_APG.php?org_id=APG
Dr. Pyle needs to do the actual work. Stop talking at us, do the work.
What I would do:
If I thought I had Red River Métis ancestry, I'd have the needed genealogy work done: https://shsb.mb.ca/overview/?lang=en
If I thought I might be eligible for Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians membership, I'd apply: https://www.saulttribe.com/membership-services/tribal-enrollment
If I wanted to spend time on the Sault Tribe reservation and in community, I'd look for ways to do so: https://www.facebook.com/saulttribe I wouldn't expect a grant to pay me (?!) since my goal would be to socialize, volunteer, maybe make some friends.
I wouldn't expect anyone to fawn over me. I'd accept the fact that maybe I'm not eligible for enrollment.
If I thought I had distant heritage I'd accept that this isn't necessarily a big deal and that I could be wrong.
I wouldn't be posting confusing claims about my heritage online about this, I'd just do the work.