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General => Frauds => Topic started by: educatedindian on November 08, 2024, 05:38:03 pm

Title: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: educatedindian on November 08, 2024, 05:38:03 pm
One of the stranger and more ridiculous frauds out there, an American claiming to be the King of Wales and many other falsehoods. From his own site:

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https://britons.international/llywelyn-uthyrpendragon?fbclid=IwY2xjawGbAIdleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHfdx5rH_ZHqQ-6bUx9O5qtKVL_L1vQqBOgLNLzIwAlCEjXt-xbFbxmw2wQ_aem__6dw_cef9GZVH_Kf6386bQ
His Imperial Majesty, Llywelyn, Imperator of Avalon, Atlantean Emperor, British Emperor, Celtic Emperor, Roman Emperor, Augustus, Pontifex Maximus, Great King of the Britons, Celtic King of the Britons, Pharaoh of Egypt, King of the Titans, Defender of the Britons, Chiefest of the Britons, Supporter of the whole kingdom of Britons, Brenin y Brythoniad, Rex Orbus, Rex Britannorum, Brittannie Rex, Teyrn y Prydain, Brenin y Prydain, King of Troas, Gomer, Cronus, Sadyrn, Brenin y Cymru, King of the Welsh, Tywysog Cymru, Conductor of the Unified Roar, King of Greece, Quetzalcoatl, Y Mab Darogan

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Pharoah, Roman Emperor, and Quetzalcoatl at the same time? On top of all the phony Welsh or Briton claims. And it gets even weirder.

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....a rich and mixed ancestry, being British, English, German, Irish, and Hebrew on his father’s side, and Spanish, Mexican, and Native American on his mother’s line. His military service made him a warrior according to ancient British standards, having earned the right to bear a sword, as well as in his native American tribe. A warrior is the tribal equivalent of nobility in native American culture.

....some may feel that his American birth should have excluded him from British dynastic succession, his claim actually fulfilled the British Druidic and Bardic prophecies, or the Prophecies of Merlin, as they are called in the English "Bruts". It was a lawful claim, according to the British or Welsh laws. The Daroganau (Prophecies) compose approximately 20% of all ancient British literature. They are a cornerstone of British political ideology. Several daroganau state that Y Mab Darogan (the son of the prophecy) would be an "allfro" (Expatriot or foreigner) rather than a Cymro (native) from “across the sea”, which would redeem and restore the people to the correct church and history, and would run counter to the popular historical belief, he will rally the Britons internationally, and will liberate the inhabitants of Britain and Brittany (Breizh/Llydaw) from the tyrants and "usurpers".

....His Imperial Majesty's Y-chromosome, which passes from father to son virtually unchanged, made him a legitimate British dynast according to the British laws and customs. According to these laws the Windsors are unqualified. This is why the Windsors do not have any of the titles or style of the legitimate British monarchs. His Y-chromosome terminal SNP is R-BY87004, which places him in the Pretani (British) L-21 tree lateral of the Stuarts of Scotland. This matches with the genesis legend of Britain which states that the British and Scottish royal families were descended of the ancient Kings of Great Britain, or the Christian Imperial British dynasty.

....As a result of his claim, and rallying the Britons internationally, he has received a great deal of harassment, rape, and even death threats. Mostly from members and former members of the English Army. Most likely from the 77th Brigade, which swears allegiance only to the 'usurpers of Britain', rather than the British nation, constitution, flags, or otherwise. Most people are completely oblivious to the massive machine working against them, repeating false information from every venue, spreading false history and propaganda; all allegedly in the name of unity and the common good. Yet, we all know that this common good seems to only benefit a few elites. The B.B.C. (ironically not British) produced a television show episode to mock him, which completely ignorant of British culture, history, literature, and the British restoration belief long held by the Brits.

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The rest of the site includes his young adult children roped into his loony claims as alleged heirs to the throne. There's also another site allowing literally anyone to claim to be a citizen of his kingdom.

Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 01:52:39 am
Lawrence J Jones Jr
Lawrence Joseph Jones
Cymru Tywysog Llywelyn Jones
Jones Cymru

His trademark application for Brittannie:

"The literal element of the mark consists of BRITTANNIE. The mark consists of standard characters, without claim to any particular font style, size, or color.
The applicant, Cymru Tywysog Llywelyn, DBA Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru, a citizen of United States, having an address of
      Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru
      1810 E Sahara Ave Suite 363
      Las Vegas, Nevada 89104
      United States"

"International Class _______: Providing online non-downloadable and downloadable content in the fields of British restoration, antiquity, culture, and customs; providing information on the international political movement advocating for the restoration of the nation of the Brits symbolized by the red dragon and golden dragon standard, representing the true Monarchy of Britain known as 'Unbennaeth Prydain'; serving as a focal point for individuals of British descent, including Britons, Bretons, Brythons, and others, to unite; promoting the restoration of the Brits by sharing British restoration political prophecies ('Daroganau') found in ancient British literature
Intent to Use: The applicant has a bona fide intention, and is entitled, to use the mark in commerce on or in connection with the identified goods/services."

Do trademark search here: https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-information

That Vegas address is a virtual office space.

I matched the birthdate he listed on his petition for name change to birthdate on public records, his mother's maiden name is Salazar. He himself born Oceanside, California, United States in 1983.

It looks like in 2017 he managed to legally change his name from Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr to Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru. https://kingdomofwales.wales/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/US-Change-of-Name-Documents-full.pdf According to this he was in Japan when he began the name change process.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 01:56:28 am
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He believes that, like the Native Americans in the United States, the Welsh are an indigenous people who are entitled to billions in reparations.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/rival-king-wales-claim-throne-12687957
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 02:05:53 am
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I make a living as an engineering liaison for an aviation company

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/who-latest-claimant-king-wales-12691188

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On 11/05/2020 Jones Cymru filed a Labor - Other Labor lawsuit against Bell Helicopter Textron Inc. This case was filed in San Diego County Superior Courts

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-sd-jones-cymru-vs-bell-helicopter-textron-inc-1070868

He has lots of legal uploaded to his site including:
https://kingdomofwales.wales/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/37-2020-00040580-CU-OE-CTL_ROA-9_01-15-21_First_Amended_Complaint_for_Damages_1611506472816.pdf

This alone is a lot to wade through and includes NSFW content.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 04:30:17 am
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When I left Bell all I had was the money in my retirement account and a rental house I had purchased a few years before. We took everything we had, sold our house, and used the funds to invest in crypto currencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and about a dozen others. Today, I am a multi-millionaire, and my money works for me. I work for our movement full time. They tried to break us, and they only made our movement stronger.

https://americymru.net/tags/tywysog%20llywelyn%20cymru

I'm not able to wade closely through all this. My guess is that he's not truthful about his wealth or much of anything else.

This claim here:

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..traces his Welsh heritage back through his father.

They are the descendants of a John W. Jones who was born in Wales in 1828 and emigrated to Ohio

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/rival-king-wales-claim-throne-12687957

I can identify who he is talking about. Even if this is his Welsh immigrant.....so what? Plenty of people have Welsh ancestry. That ancestry does not make them super special. This doesn't make him a Welsh citizen. Or royalty.

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I work for our movement full time. They tried to break us, and they only made our movement stronger.

This is his rallying cry. This is his grift. His goal is money, attention, and a reason to cry oppression when he doesn't get what he wants.

He says his mother is "Native American", I've not found more specific claims on that. He includes maternal Spanish and Mexican. I've not verified his maternal grandparents yet but we may not need to. We know he is a fraud.



Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 03:11:49 pm
Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr. / Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru has a glamorized photo of himself wearing a costume and holding a sword on his website.

I assume he uses this to prove his supposed royalty. But that outfit is actually from his membership in the revivalist group Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_the_Temple_of_Jerusalem

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The Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (SMOTJ) is a Christian chivalric order inspired by the ideals of the Knights Templar. Serving and Protecting the Faithful at Risk in the Holy Land and throughout the world.

https://smotj.org/

In the photo he is wearing the white cloak with red Malta cross of this organization.

Other images of members wearing this costume here: https://gpnato.osmth.org/index.php/modern-order/2023-event

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Priory of the Light (Arizona)
Chev. William E. Currie, KCTJ, Prior IV
Sgt Chev. Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr. was pro-
moted to Commandeur (KCTJ).

Here he is in a 2013 newsletter "Journal of the Autonomous Grand Priory of the United States
Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem". https://carpediem.osmth.org/documents/priory_pubs/Spg_2013.pdf

One of the images used in https://britons.international/gallery isn't Welsh, it is actually the Armoiries Bretagne - Arms of Brittany. He also uses the triskelion symbol, I assume to bolster his claim that he is some sort of druid.

So he already has this costuming in his wardrobe. He already has experience in a revivalist organization.

Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 03:24:43 pm
Recent post on his FB page:

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Britons International

What do you believe about the Cymry being the lost tribes of Israel? Any proof?
Some say Edinburgh is really Jerusalem.

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This is "British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a pseudo-historical belief that the people of Great Britain are "genetically, racially, and linguistically the direct descendants" of the Ten Lost Tribes of ancient Israel" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

Don't be fooled by his costuming and legal/historical/religious bafflegab.

Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 09, 2024, 10:22:56 pm
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The Lipan Apache Tribe of the State of Texas recognize him as a Warrior of the Tribe, which is the tribal equivalent of nobility.

2017 http://web.archive.org/web/20170311102352/http://www.kingdomofwales.wales/tywysog-llywelyn

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He claims that his movement has maintained "their sovereignty via diplomatic protest (Flying British flags, the British royal standard Y Ddraig Aur, and coat of arms)".

As if.

 https://kingdomofwales.wales/welsh-citizenship/

Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 10, 2024, 11:06:23 pm
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Britons International

In the past few years, multiple supporters of mine have died, some of mysterious circumstances.

We are living in a time of national emergency,  usurpation, and genocide. Yet, we are still here after centuries of destruction. We are a nation of heroes and warriors, and we shall remember our fallen.

Conspiracy theories from his Facebook page.

Actual Welsh citizens have told him to leave them alone. His response is that they are engaging in genocide.

Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sparks on November 10, 2024, 11:32:01 pm
Recent post on his FB page … Britons International

Conspiracy theories from his Facebook page.

All from this FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/justicefortheBritons/ [Britons International]

There is also a Facebook profile:

https://www.facebook.com/BreninyPrydain [Llywelyn Brenin Y Brythoniaid (Llywelyn Uthyrpendragon)]
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sparks on November 11, 2024, 10:35:21 pm
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/who-latest-claimant-king-wales-12691188

There is another article on the same site, the same date, but somewhat earlier:

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/another-american-claims-king-wales-12691166

Link there to his site https://kingdomofwales.wales/ — which has been quoted in previous posts here.

The same goes for https://britons.international/  >  https://www.facebook.com/justicefortheBritons/

X (Twitter): https://x.coma/YmeradwrPrydain

YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RestorationofBritain

In another YouTube channel, four minutes of this pretender's ridiculous and hilarious claims:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knzK2zGihxE [The True British Sovereign: Llywelyn Uthyrpendragon's Journey]

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Dive into the epic journey of Llywelyn, a figure rooted in history, prophecy, and defiance. Embracing his ancient name and heritage, Llywelyn's lineage spans British, English, German, Irish, Spanish, Hebrew, and Native American roots. Learn about his steadfast commitment to reclaiming the rightful British crown and the title of Uthyrpendragon. Discover how his military background and degree in Organizational Leadership shape his leadership. Witness Llywelyn's resilience against threats, his rallying cries for unity, and his vision for justice and sovereignty for the Britons. Join us in exploring the rightful heir’s mission to restore dignity and truth.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: educatedindian on November 12, 2024, 04:00:19 pm
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The Lipan Apache Tribe of the State of Texas recognize him as a Warrior of the Tribe, which is the tribal equivalent of nobility.

2017 http://web.archive.org/web/20170311102352/http://www.kingdomofwales.wales/tywysog-llywelyn


The LAT (It's not called the LAST as he claims) doesn't have federal recognition. They consider themselves Lipan descendants, but AFAIK the only recognized Lipan are on the Mescalero rez and don't recognize the ones in LAT. I didn't find any mention of Jones on the LAT sites.

That archived site is worth quoting from.

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He is formally recognized as;

Ei Uchelder Brenhinol Tywysog Llywelyn Jones, Brenin Cymru

“His Royal Highness Prince Llywelyn, King of Wales”

and the Kingdoms of Brycheiniog, Ceredigion, Deheubarth, Dogfeiling, Dunoding, Dyfed, Ergyng, Glywysing, Gwent, Gwynedd, Gwynllwg, Meirionnydd, Morgannwg, Powys Wenwynwyn, Powys Fadog, Rhos, Rhufoniog, Seisyllwg "dejure"

He is also honored with the titles: Rex Britannorum (King of the Britons), Great King of Britons, King of Wales, King of all the Welsh, Prince of the Welsh, Supporter of the Whole Kingdom of Britons, Chiefest of the Britons “dejure”

Tywysog Llywelyn has been officially recognized as having fons honorum rights for Cymru, and the aforementioned Kingdoms. Which means he is the "fount of honor". He has an internationally recognized and protected legal right to work towards an independent Wales, he also has rights under international law granting him the powers of: 
"Ius Imperii" – the right to command a territory.
"Ius Gladii" – the right to control armies.
"Ius Majestatis" – the right to be honoured and respected according with one's regal title.
"Ius Honorum" – the legal right to award titles, merits and virtues.
"Ius Collationis" – the right to confer honours.
"Ius Nobilitandi" – the right to ennoble other persons.

Tywysog Llywelyn is Welsh on his Father's side and Spanish and Native American on his Mother's side. The Lipan Apache Tribe of the State of Texas recognize him as a Warrior of the Tribe, which is the tribal equivalent of nobility. He has attended University for Leadership in San Diego, California where he used his study time and research papers as an opportunity to prepare a case for Welsh independence. He previously served in the United States Marine Corps as an experimental test and evaluation flight engineer before being honorably discharged.

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A USMC flight engineer usually is ranked from sgt to master sgt. It's kind of strange he doesn't mention his rank or how long he served.

Nowhere does he mention who supposedly honored him with these titles and rights. Or why they are in Latin instead of Welsh.

The "University for Leadership" is a degree mill. Its name is deliberately designed to be confused with the USD's School of Leadership and Education Sciences. Why he went there is unclear when he could have gotten a degree with the GI Bill and gotten university credit for his training in the service.

But the most delusional thing he's written is that crypto made him a millionaire.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 12, 2024, 06:41:08 pm
I scrolled through several years of his https://www.facebook.com/justicefortheBritons page.

He regularly makes claims of genocide:
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The falsification of British (i.e., Welsh) history is a genocide.

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the natives still live in the dark areas seen from space today. There is a genocide currently on-going. It started long ago, and it has never stopped.

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England is slowing killing off the native Britons so that they can be the only 'British' left.

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Genocide of the native Britons
Deliberately forcing people to live in poverty and creating conditions to prevent them from buying homes and raising families is a part of genocide. No roads, no trains, no affordable housing, and no opportunity to thrive, is all INTENTIONALLY inflicted socioeconomic conditions created by London to kill off the remaining proto-Britons so that England may claim debellatio and terra nullis in Britain.
Greetings,
We represent a non-member UN state and would like to submit documents to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, accepting the terms of the UN Charter, and several other treaties; as well as a formal complaint regarding genocide for review.
Our people can prove that we are the direct continuation of international personality from the ancient Britons (jus sanguinis), according to the de jure British laws (ipso jure). All other parties claiming to be British, and claiming to have a legal right to contract as British are usurpers and have engaged in fraud.
Please let us know what is required to schedule an appointment to deliver the documents in person.
Yours sincerely,
Llywelyn, Brenin y Brythoniaid

We are supposed to honor him as our leader:

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I'm fighting for the people that have registered for citizenship with my nation. We use the de jure laws and customs, and don't recognise English appropriation of British identity.

Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 12, 2024, 06:49:40 pm
Lawrence Jones Jr's b.s. reminds me of the sovereign citizen movement in USA, along with white nationalism.

He's a pseudo historican conspiracy monger.

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Cantiaci (sounds like, Kentucky). In America, the state of Kentucky is named for the Kentucky River...
Yet, no one knows why or bothers to question why the river was called Kentucky. Some people suppose native American origin, but provide no evidence. The Coelbren Alphabet is said to been found in this area. Which turns Native American history on its head.

(discussion of source of word Kentucky https://www.bia.gov/as-ia/opa/online-press-release/origin-names-us-states )

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Olympics, are they Greek? Or were they invented by the ancestors of the Celts, the Titans?

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Is Madoc son of Uthyr the Quetzalcoatl of the Aztecs?

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British/Welsh antiquity is true. The world you live in is a lie.

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Of all the indigenous groups recognised by the United Nations, Celtic is not one.
Do you know why?
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 12, 2024, 07:05:42 pm
Here is one of his phiosophical mentors:

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Remembering the life and work of Alan Wilson today. The man stood against the establishment to speak the truth and defend the history of the Brits, which the world now calls the Welsh.

Some of the criticism of Alan Wilson:

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I don't claim that the British don't know their own history - I claim that a
mentally-challenged, slightly psychotic, practitioner of forgery named Alan
Wilson doesn't know British history - therefore he makes up his own fantasy
version of it.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.legend.king-arthur/c/ZzLfE6ovOqM?pli=1

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Quite frankly Wilson and Blackett, like Adrian Gilbert, are seekers after what they call suppressed knowledge, investigating “ancient Esoteric knowledge and religious Mysteries”: in other words, they are conspiracy theorists.

https://calmgrove.wordpress.com/2020/07/02/unreadable/

I can't really tell how much money he is making off this or how large his following is. He is productive online, active. He spreads misinformation. And surely is annoying to the government agencies he files claims of genocide etc. with. Welsh citizens aren't thrilled with him either.

The "Tywysog" he uses in his many names = "Prince". "Cymru" = "Wales".
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 12, 2024, 08:04:18 pm
John Barnard Jenkins (Welsh nationalist, bombing terrorist) is also a hero of his. This info gleaned from Twitter.

Info on Jenkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barnard_Jenkins

Google translation of his John Jenkins tribute: "RIP Patriot. I'm sorry you didn't know independence."

The photos uploaded here might be of one of his events. Looks to be a golden dragon flag in background.

His dress up is of course not proof of royalty.

I'm glad we have this thread up. Hopefully he fades away. But if things go sideways this will be a valuable thread.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 12, 2024, 10:48:11 pm
Traveling to Wales on a "self issued diplomatic passport" did not work out for him. He claims he was "politically exiled" - easy guess he was simply kicked out.

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At 16 years old Llywelyn moved out of his parent’s house, and began to support himself. After completing High School he enlisted in the U.S. Marines, where he received a meritorious promotion for his leadership abilities in basic training. He was then selected in the School of Infantry to become enlisted aircrew. In US Navy Aircrew Candidate School he was selected to be an experimental test and evaluation aircrew crew-chief on the V-22 Osprey.

In 2018, he traveled into Cardiff on a self issued diplomatic passport to meet with his supporters, placing himself in obvious danger. The usurpers of Britain were unable to charge him with any crimes and denied him the right to a hearing. As Llywelyn would have challenged their jurisdiction as a subject of the international law. They politically exiled him the next day, as his research regarding the de jure British sovereignty getting out to the public in Britain would no doubt be the tipping point for anyone on the fence for independence.

http://web.archive.org/web/20230901154800/https://kingdomofwales.wales/sovereign-and-royal-house-of-cymru-unbenniaeth-prydain/rexbritannorum/

His past archived sites include photos of his martial arts contests around 2016. In one photo he is wearing red Welsh dragon shirt, in the other he is draped in Welsh flag.

The archives site is running really slow at the moment (they are recovering from a major hack). I did see in passing a past bio stating specifics on his Masonic fraternal membership.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 13, 2024, 12:55:34 am
Unique Jewelry and Regalia (https://www.facebook.com/uniquejewelryandregalia)
April 24, 2017
 
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Test designs for a star in the shape of the Welsh Daffodil with the Welsh Dragon in the Center.  Made for Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru

The specific post: https://www.facebook.com/uniquejewelryandregalia/posts/pfbid02UYmMjHwZFYAe9TiUB35JR9uHzKDqQ59fZ9CtEST9ZJ84XcEYUKTNvvgNp1LYHxGJl

(business site http://www.jewelryandregalia.com )

I uploaded some partial clips of the post, wasn't able to grab the whole thing.

So. That brooch he wears is not historic jewelry. He was not awarded it by royalty. He is not royalty. And he paid to have this made.

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In 2017 he used the name "Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru" in the Soul Fighters Texas team for this championship 
https://www.ibjjfdb.com/ChampionshipResults/739/PublicAcademyRegistration?lang=en-US


Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 13, 2024, 01:48:27 pm
Both of his parents use social media. Neither appear to be involved in their son's fraud at all.

His father doesn't even post about Welsh history. His mother, who he claims is Native American, does not post any claims to this heritage, nor does this look to be an interest.

Lawrence Joseph Jones, Jr. / Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru likely does have a paternal 3rd great grand father who came from Wales to Ohio to work in coal mines. This doesn't make him a Welsh citizen or give him a legit claim to royalty. This does not make him special.

His maternal heritage from Mexico is more recent. For instance a matenal great grandfather petitioned for naturalization to USA in 1923, he was born in Mier y Noriega, Nuevo León, Mexico. This great grandfather died in 1971, Texas.

Here is the obituary of his maternal grandfather https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sanantonio/name/frank-salazar-obituary?pid=88829362
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: educatedindian on November 13, 2025, 07:40:52 pm
Jones sent a phony cease and desist order and supposed proof.

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SOVEREIGN ORDER TO CEASE AND DESIST
DATE: November 12, 2025

VIA: Electronic Mail, Certified Mail, and Diplomatic Courier

TO:

Administrator / "educatedindian"

Owner and Operator

New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) Website

Proxy Protection LLC

RE: DEMAND TO CEASE AND DESIST PUBLICATION OF LIBELOUS AND HARASSING CONTENT

You are hereby served with this formal, legally binding notice to CEASE AND DESIST from publishing, hosting, or otherwise disseminating false, libelous, and criminally harassing content against H.I.M. Llywelyn, Tywysog Cymru, a de jure Head of State and Internationally Protected Person.

The content in question includes, but is not limited to, the forum thread titled: "Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles" (published under /Frauds/ this thread, which you administer and publish, contains numerous falsehoods. Specifically, the publication of the term "fraud" constitutes libel per se and is a willful act of criminal harassment.

1. Violation of U.S. Federal Law (18 U.S.C. § 112)
You are in violation of United States federal law. H.I.M. Llywelyn, Tywysog Cymru, is an "Internationally Protected Person" (IPP) as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 1116(b)(2).

Your publication of this libelous thread constitutes a willful act of "harassment" against a protected person, in direct violation of 18 U.S.C. § 112. "Harassment" under this statute includes "a course of conduct... which serves no legitimate purpose."

Your continued publication of these falsehoods serves no legitimate purpose and is a clear-cut criminal act under U.S. statute.

2. Prior U.S. Government Acknowledgment of Status
Your accusation of "fraud"  demonstrably false, and this notice serves as proof of your "actual malice." The de jure status of the Sovereign is an objective legal reality, previously acknowledged by all three branches of the de facto U.S. government:

Judicial: A U.S. court granted and ordered the Sovereign's legal name change to "Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru" (Superior Court of California, Case No. 37-2016-00044244-CU-PT-NC, Minute Order 02/28/2017).Your continued use of the discarded de facto name is a willful rejection of a U.S. court order.

Executive (Dept. of State): The U.S. Department of State issued a formal U.S. Passport in the Sovereign's legal name, acknowledging the distinct identity of "First: Tywysog Llywelyn, Last: Cymru".

Executive (Dept. of Justice): A formal legal determination by the DOJ FARA Unit (March 10, 2021) legally concluded the Sovereign was the "foreign principal"—the "Kingdom of Britons, Court in exile"—itself.

Military (Dept. of Defense): A U.S. Military Judge Advocate (Capt Chelsea Faver, USMC) on July 26, 2018, acting under the federal authority of 10 U.S.C. § 1044a, formally acknowledged the Sovereign's de jure status by notarizing his signature on a legal trust document bearing the title: "His Royal Highness Prince Llywelyn Jones of Cymru, de jure King of the Britons.

Your publication of the word "fraud" is a direct contradiction of formal determinations made by the U.S. Judiciary, Department of State, Department of Justice, and Department of Defense.

3. Violation of International Law
As a publisher operating within the United States, you are bound by the U.S. Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) to respect the "supreme Law of the Land," which includes customary international law.

You are engaged in an attack on the dignitas (dignity and honor) of a Sovereign Head of State. International law and custom oblige the de facto state to protect a Sovereign's honor from such libelous attacks. Your website is the instrument of this attack.

4. NOTICE OF PERSONAL LIABILITY
This notice serves to remove any claim of ignorance. You are now aware that your actions are in violation of federal and international law.

If you fail to act, you are forfeit of all qualified and journalistic immunities. By knowingly and willfully violating 18 U.S.C. § 112, you are acting ultra vires (outside of any legal authority) and will be held personally liable in your private capacity for all de facto civil and criminal penalties that result.

Furthermore, be advised that by publishing libel to "defraud the Realm," you and all individuals involved are committing crimes under the de jure law of the Kingdom of Britons. You will be held accountable for these crimes against the Sovereign under this paramount legal system.

5. DEMAND
You are ordered to:

Immediately and permanently DELETE the entire forum thread ("Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles and all related libelous content from all servers, caches, and public-facing portions of your website.

Cease and desist from any and all future publication of this or any other harassing or libelous content concerning H.I.M. Llywelyn, Tywysog Cymru.

Failure to comply within forty-eight (48) hours of receipt of this notice will result in this matter being escalated to the United States Department of Justice, Criminal Division, for prosecution under 18 U.S.C. § 112.

GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY.

BY SOVEREIGN COMMAND OF:

H.I.M. LLYWELYN +++, TYWYSOG CYMRU, IMPERATOR OF AVALON, KING OF THE BRITONS
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: educatedindian on November 14, 2025, 03:38:23 am
Hello Mr. Jones,
I’ve added <<< to within your email to make it clearer what I’m responding to.

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SOVEREIGN ORDER TO CEASE AND DESIST

<<< No, you are not sovereign. You have no territory, nation, government, or even supporters of your claims, not even your own immediate family. You are one man who is a legend in his own mind. You have no legal authority to order anything, including cease and desist.

VIA: Electronic Mail, Certified Mail, and Diplomatic Courier

>>>Nonsense. You sent no certified mail and have no diplomatic standing to send anything by courier, and didn’t sent anything that could be called of a diplomatic nature.

TO: Administrator / "educatedindian", Owner and Operator, New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) Website

>>>I’m not the owner. I’m one of several moderators. And apparently you were too lazy to even find out my name, even though it’s all over the site, unhidden.

RE: DEMAND TO CEASE AND DESIST PUBLICATION OF LIBELOUS AND HARASSING CONTENT

>>>Clearly you didn’t hire any legal representation because you don’t know basic law. There is no “libel” on the site. Legally, truth is an absolute defense to libel.
>>>There’s also no “harassment.” We’ve never even contacted you. Journalism is not harassment.

You are hereby served with this formal, legally binding notice to CEASE AND DESIST from publishing, hosting, or otherwise disseminating false, libelous, and criminally harassing content against H.I.M. Llywelyn, Tywysog Cymru, a de jure Head of State and Internationally Protected Person.

>>>Nonsense, both legally and grammatically. You have zero legal authority, there is nothing remotely criminal we’ve done, and you are no head of state.

Specifically, the publication of the term "fraud" constitutes libel per se and is a willful act of criminal harassment.

>>>Tell us once again you have no lawyers and not even basic understanding of the law.

H.I.M. Llywelyn, Tywysog Cymru, is an "Internationally Protected Person" (IPP) as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 1116(b)(2).

>>>You have no claim, only your own delusions.

Your publication of this libelous thread constitutes a willful act of "harassment" against a protected person, in direct violation of 18 U.S.C. § 112. "Harassment" under this statute includes "a course of conduct... which serves no legitimate purpose."

>>>Journalism is obviously a legitimate purpose. Warning the public about imposters like yourself is obviously also.

Your continued publication of these falsehoods…

>>>It’s not “my” publication. NAFPS has over 3000 members. Several other journalists investigated and debunked your phony claims.

2. Prior U.S. Government Acknowledgment of Status
…The de jure status of the Sovereign is an objective legal reality, previously acknowledged by all three branches of the de facto U.S. government:

Judicial: A U.S. court granted and ordered the Sovereign's legal name change to "Tywysog Llywelyn Jones Cymru" (Superior Court of California, Case No. 37-2016-00044244-CU-PT-NC, Minute Order 02/28/2017).Your continued use of the discarded de facto name is a willful rejection of a U.S. court order.

>>>Oh my…Thanks for the belly laugh, Mr. Jones! Showing your ignorance of the law yet again. Name changes aren’t court orders. Otherwise most married women could sue anyone who used their maiden names. Any celebrity with a stage name could sue reporters who mention their legal names. You are Mr. Jones, Mr. Jones. Deal with it.

Executive (Dept. of State): The U.S. Department of State issued a formal U.S. Passport in the Sovereign's legal name, acknowledging the distinct identity of "First: Tywysog Llywelyn, Last: Cymru".

>>>Please. They didn’t recognize you diplomatically at all. Again, they issue passports for married women with new legal names too.

Military (Dept. of Defense): A U.S. Military Judge Advocate (Capt Chelsea Faver, USMC) on July 26, 2018, acting under the federal authority of 10 U.S.C. § 1044a, formally acknowledged the Sovereign's de jure status by notarizing his signature on a legal trust document bearing the title: "His Royal Highness Prince Llywelyn Jones of Cymru, de jure King of the Britons.

>>>Means nothing. You changed your legal name, so of course they would notarize an ordinary entirely non-diplomatic document.

You are engaged in an attack on the dignitas (dignity and honor) of a Sovereign Head of State. International law and custom oblige the de facto state to protect a Sovereign's honor from such libelous attacks.

>>>Tell us again you don’t know the law. Even if you were a monarch…Before he was stripped of his title, I  could have written that Prince Andrew was a statutory rapist and it’d be legal. I could also publicly post a video of Irish soccer fans singing “Lizzie’s in a box” when Queen Elizabeth died. I can call the Saudi royal family murderers, which they are.

If you fail to act, you are forfeit of all qualified and journalistic immunities. By knowingly and willfully violating 18 U.S.C. § 112, you are acting ultra vires (outside of any legal authority)

>>>Again, you clearly don’t have a lawyer. Ultra vires applies to corporations and governments. We are neither, and unlike you, don’t pretend to be.

and will be held personally liable in your private capacity for all de facto civil and criminal penalties that result.

>>>Criminal? For journalism? Even Trump hasn’t done that. Yet.

Furthermore, be advised that by publishing libel to "defraud the Realm," you and all individuals involved are committing crimes under the de jure law of the Kingdom of Britons. You will be held accountable for these crimes against the Sovereign under this paramount legal system.

>>>Since there’s no kingdom, no king or other monarch, and you don’t even have any subjects, this is as meaningless as you imagining you have jails.

5. DEMAND
You are ordered to:
Immediately and permanently DELETE the entire forum thread ("Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles and all related libelous content from all servers, caches, and public-facing portions of your website.

>>>No. Period. Full stop. We don’t delete accurate investigations just because frauds send silly empty threats. You obviously don’t even have a lawyer. In over 25 years, not once have we given in to such demands.

Cease and desist from any and all future publication of this or any other harassing or libelous content concerning H.I.M. Llywelyn, Tywysog Cymru.

>>>As long as there’s more to write about your fraud, we will continue to do so. Including your pseudo legal, empty, and ignorant threats.

Failure to comply within forty-eight (48) hours of receipt of this notice will result in this matter being escalated to the United States Department of Justice, Criminal Division, for prosecution under 18 U.S.C. § 112.

>>>That deadline is coming any minute, but I’ll tell you now “imperator” and supposed descendant of Moctezuma…The idea that even Trump’s thugs and loons would take up your case is just laughable.

GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY.
BY SOVEREIGN COMMAND OF:
H.I.M. LLYWELYN +++, TYWYSOG CYMRU, IMPERATOR OF AVALON, KING OF THE BRITONS

>>>You realize trying to “command” us is just making people picture you as no different than the mentally ill asylum inmate who parades around like Napoleon.
>>>Any and all nonsense you send us, expect it to be published and treated with all the lack of credibility it deserves. For 25 years we’ve been getting empty threats of legal action at least several times a year. Not once have they ever worked.
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 15, 2025, 01:46:14 am

Jones believes that AI is sentient and that it is willfully gaslighting, misinforming, and arguing with him.

He also continues to promote the pseudohistorical beliefs of British Israelism.

These recent quotes are from his public Facebook account. https://www.facebook.com/BreninyPrydain

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Tywysog Llywelyn Cymru
Oct 28

"Today, AI attempted to gaslight me and misinform me that these legal terms find their etymological root in the English and French languages. I explained that, even Julius Caesar admitted that the Druids based in Britain operated the legal systems in Europe, and the British Isles, before the invention of England, and France, and before the invention of those languages.
We are being lied to about world history. The correct historical account is owed to every human being!"
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Oct 17

"I taught AI to read the "Egyptian" hieroglyphics with Gymraeg (Welsh) in an afternoon! The establishment has been lying to you, and gaslighting you, in order to make you believe that our real world history is a myth! It is all connected!
They want power over you to keep you poor. The whole of world history is a myth if it doesn't mention the migration and settlements of the Khumry!"

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July 11

"Khumry/Khumri/Cymry = The Tribes of Israel"
Title: Re: Lawrence Jones Jr AKA Llywelyn UthyrPendragon & Dozens of Other False Titles
Post by: Sandy S on November 16, 2025, 05:55:59 pm
Regarding the civil case mentioned earlier in thread:

Here is archive of his filing in case: https://web.archive.org/web/20210906105519/https://kingdomofwales.wales/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/37-2020-00040580-CU-OE-CTL_ROA-9_01-15-21_First_Amended_Complaint_for_Damages_1611506472816.pdf

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Case Title:     JONES CYMRU VS BELL HELICOPTER TEXTRON INC [IMAGED]
Case Number:     37-2020-00040580-CU-OE-CTL      Case Location:   San Diego      
Case Type:   Civil     Date Filed:   11/05/2020
Category:   CU-OE   Other employment

Run case number search here: https://odyroa.sdcourt.ca.gov/Cases

This case was dismissed with prejudice (he can't file same claim against same defendant again) in 2023.

Gleaned from the previews available through this case search about Jones: "plaintiff was counseled in Spring 2018 for attempting to use a fraudulent passport to enter the United Kingdom".

Also his former employer warned him several times about job performance and abuse of sick leave.