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George Price & Quaker Sweatlodge

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Diana:
Here is part of a comment about Chuck Fager and George Price made by a Quaker who attended the 2005 Gathering in Blacksburg, VA.

"Oh-- also last year, at the 2005 Gathering in Blacksburg, VA, Chuck Fager and George Price (George being the Friend who was blessed by an Native American elder to share the sweatlodge among Friends)-- Chuck and George convened their own session about the sweatlodge, which I attended a part of.

Some of what I heard there was another "take" on the history of what led up to FGC's decision to cancel the sweatlodge workshop... I remain VERY concerned for the "antagonistic" approach that was being modeled, rather than encouragement for listening together for the Truth in what each "camp" was presenting."

I don't think Mr. Fager is as naive and shocked as he would have people think he is. It has been several years since the sweat lodge was discontinued and this man still has the audacity to wage his whiny war on what he perceives as an entitlement. Mr. Fager ignores what is obvious to virtually all Indians, culture appropriation, and even asks us to to explain it to the poor dear.

And one more thing, who are these so called tribal elders that all these white people seem to know? They would have you think that there is one every corner. I noticed that they never give a name or tribal affiliation.

In all fairness, some of the blogs that were written by Quakers in response to Reaching for the Light-Quaker Sweatlodge were very kind and insightful. Please go to http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=17411202&postID=114547990013004091 to read some of the comments.




Lim lemtsh

Diana
   

JosephSWM:
You know thats the thing about quakers, they seem so kind so peaceful, especially in writing but they are two faced. Why didn't Fager respond to the letter.

You know they think they have some special understanding of peace but they don't. The way they act they give us all the impression that they are above us, superior to us. They were able to get CO status during ww II but Hopis were sent to prison because the government did not recognze their religion and so were not able to get CO status. And there were many other tribes too where the men were sent to prison.

I have performed at quaker schools before. They always want a synopsis of my stories (so they can approve them or not) and they do not want any dancing as part of my program. I will never perform at another Friends school no matter how much they pay.

Ain't nothing anyone can say to change my mind about quakers.

Joseph

Diana:
I found this on Quaker Earthcare Witness (formerly friends committee on unity), I don't know if they are directly related to the Quakers. I will do a little research and let you know.
It seems like they were holding vision quests as recently as October. Here's the web address.
http://www.quakerearthcare.org/Publications/BeFriendingCreation/CurrentIssueofBFC/BFC1902/Newsletter06.htm   



BeFriending Creation       
    Volume 19, Number 2 • March-April 2006
       


Personal transformation

Narrow Ridge offers Vision Quest
opportunities in 2006

Vision Quest is a guided experience for persons seeking clarity about life directions, including three days and nights of solitary fasting in a mountain wilderness.

Narrow Ridge Earth Literacy Center in rural Grainger County, Tennessee, is offering two Vision Quest (VQ) opportunities during 2006. [The application deadline for the first VQ, June 3-June 11, has passed; those interested in the second VQ, tentatively set for October 7-October 15, should apply no later than June 15.]

Participants will experience several days of preparation and training, a time of fasting alone on Log Mountain near Narrow Ridge Center, and several days of processing, including a sweat lodge ceremony. Past participants have reported significant increases in clarity about life directions, decisions, and purpose, in addition to finding the experience profoundly restorative in terms of feelings of health and well-being. Vision Quests have been part of the rites of passage of many different cultures since time immemorial. Pictures of last year's VQ are available at the Narrow Ridge website, <www.narrowridge.org>.

Principle leader for the June VQ will be Bill Nickle, founder of Narrow Ridge who has led VQs annually for seven years. Bill will be assisted by a team who have experienced at least one VQ and who are active in programs sponsored by Narrow Ridge.

During and after the VQ, participants will stay at Strawbale Lodge on the grounds of Narrow Ridge, an eco-friendly facility constructed of sustainable building materials and utilizing solar power, composting toilets, and an on-demand water heater. Vegetarian and organic food is provided in a supportive group living and learning environment.

Individuals and couples are invited to apply. Cost is $400 per person or $720 per couple. Need-based scholarship assistance may be available. Previous camping experience is not required. Participants must submit a statement of personal intent explaining her/his interest in experiencing a VQ. Persons accepted must file a medical statement certifying they are in sufficiently good health and be willing to sign a liability waiver accepting the inherent safety risks of a VQ. Participants should prepare for the VQ over the weeks preceding the experience by following a suggested regime of reading, journaling, short-term fasting, spending time alone in reflection, and walking.

To begin application and registration, send name, address, phone and e-mail along with a $50 deposit to Narrow Ridge Center, 1936 Liberty Hill Road, Washburn TN 37888. For more information, contact Larry Osborne [of West Knoxville Friends Meeting] at 865/475-3195 or 865/ 414-5711 or by e-mail at <losborne@cn.edu>.

Narrow Ridge is a nonprofit educational organization committed to land conservation, sustainable living, building community, and fostering spiritual growth. Narrow Ridge is non-sectarian and welcomes seekers from diverse faith traditions.


Lim lemtsh


Diana

180IQ:
OK $400 vision quests - maybe this thread should be moved over to the Frauds board....

JosephSWM:
Thanks for moving this over to Frauds. You know what I find confusing is why they would have to pay for food. Unless of course they have created a new VQ (I guess that either means vision quest or virilant quaker). "Composting toilet" hmmm, does that mean out house?

Jeeez, these folks would pay money for an outhouse, food that should not be eaten, and solar power (which means no electricty). How dumb can they be?

Joseph

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