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Luzia Krull

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Manicman:
Eh, it was a learning experience.
I read a great book called The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power, which helped me come to terms with some of the underlying psychological dynamics that were going on. Feeling much more at peace with the whole thing. Later this month I am off to see my real teacher.
I remember one time, I talked about an area of tension that wouldn't go away with Luzia, and she said that we should put a crystal on it. That should have been a wake up call. I don't think quartz crystals are actually a part of any real spirituality, Native American or otherwise. It's distinctly a California New Agey thing. That's basically what she was doing. Take a mish mash of New Agey stuff, throw in hallucinogens, a little actual red blood, and a fake red accent, and tell any idiot who happens to be around that they were sent to Luzia by God.
In the future, I have resolved to not be that idiot.

kareneegan:
It is hard to imagine people saying the things they have regarding Luzia.  I have been seeing Luzia
for about 6 years and only have the highest regard for her.  If her style, her words, her reverance
to Santé Diane turn you off, then leave it at that.  No character attacks.  She has spent the better
part of her life devoted to helping people understand themselves better.  She has a source, which
she pulls from but it is all very authentic.  Perhaps some folks just aren't prepared for what she has
to offer. 

Sparks:

--- Quote from: Epiphany on November 13, 2012, 10:09:33 pm ---There is an active message board http://forum.rickross.com/ on http://www.rickross.com/ which is  "An Internet archive of information about cults, destructive cults, controversial groups and movements." Lots of good info on the site including Warning Signs http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html, and info on abusive and controlling relationships ( not just large groups).
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Just a reminder that the excellent Rick Ross stuff moved here:

https://culteducation.com/  —  http://forum.culteducation.com/ — https://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html

About Luzia Krull, the first one with references to NAFPS:
https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,116405
https://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,123715

Piff:

--- Quote from: kareneegan on August 18, 2019, 11:06:06 pm ---It is hard to imagine people saying the things they have regarding Luzia.  I have been seeing Luzia
for about 6 years and only have the highest regard for her.  If her style, her words, her reverance
to Santé Diane turn you off, then leave it at that.  No character attacks.  She has spent the better
part of her life devoted to helping people understand themselves better.  She has a source, which
she pulls from but it is all very authentic.  Perhaps some folks just aren't prepared for what she has
to offer.

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Karen, what does this mean? "She has a source, which she pulls from but it is all very authentic."

Sparks:

--- Quote from: educatedindian on October 31, 2012, 03:28:34 pm ---1985 - Fell in love with Mother Ammachi, began working with clients who were subject to ritual abuse, satanic cults, and sexual abuse
[…]
"Mother Ammachi" has been accused of all kinds of cultic abuses herself.
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--- Quote from: educatedindian on November 01, 2012, 11:00:00 pm ---Umbanda as well? That makes the list of her supposed beliefs or studied expertise to now include:
Zen, Taoism, yoga, quantum physics, kibuttzim (Zionist socialism), Vipassana meditation. "restructured families", women's groups, psychotherapy, entered in Bio-energetic therapy, "Native American rituals," spirit guides, Mother Ammachi, satanic cults, massage, Santo Daime, Kayumari, Divine Light from Heaven, living off the grid, Golden Light Chapel, and now Umbanda.
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Just to let you know there is now a topic:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5476.0  [Mata Amritanandamayi AKA Amma AKA Mother Ammachi, etc.]

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