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General => Research Needed => Topic started by: educatedindian on October 15, 2009, 02:58:01 pm

Title: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: educatedindian on October 15, 2009, 02:58:01 pm
AIM Santa Barbara has this message partly about him. (Full message in the sweatlodge deaths in Sedona thread.)

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Corine Fairbanks sent a message to the members of American Indian Movement
Santa Barbara.

Good Afternoon-

....We have also gotten reports from Pennsylvania, that there is someone posing a
sweat leader there named Michael Spisak (AKA Hawk Good Fire) and he not only
exploits the white buffalo but at least 5 women have contacted Elders to state
that he uses ceremony to abuse women both sexually and mentally--- Spisak says
he is a medicine man but has been denounced by all his so-called supporters,
Leonard Crow Dog, Mary Johnson, David Swallow and Arvol Looking Horse to name
a few. He is now connected with the woodlands resort in Farmington, Pa. and is
charging $60.00 to see the buffalo as well as conducting ceremony that he has
NO permission to do from any tribe.  He has been asked by several Elders and
community leaders to cease and desist, and he has not.  (For more details,
contact Graywolf and Erin Browne)

When will it end? When someone dies in his sweats?

It is our responsibility- ALL OF US - to close these fakes down, it is a life
and death situation, and our silence makes it okay, our silence is a slap in
the face to those that died protecting it, and will mark the end our
spirituality.

(But we might be able to buy a really cheap version of it in the future on
some 2am infomercial?.)

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Here's his myspace page, with his rebuttal to what he describes as rumors and lies.

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http://www.myspace.com/sunkawitko
In fact, I am not a "poser". I am native, Shawnee on my fathers side, Holikachuk on my mothers. To insinuate someone could die is a horrible thing to say, and scaring our Relatives like that, well there is no excuse. This is completely unprofessional of you. Simply because someone says something does not make it true. Understand, neither Graywolf nor Erin Brown know me. Neither have ever met me. Yes, I spoke with Graywolf over the phone. Or tried to. He refused to listen to a word I had to say, and spoke at me, not to me. I went so far as to have Elders call him, who he promptly hung up on. Now then,

1) I do not exploit the buffalo or anything else of my culture. In fact, I am doing the opposite. I work diligently to insure the Sacred is kept Sacred, and no one manipulates or benefits personally from the events that have and continue to take place here.

2) There is not one single woman who has ever been in ceremony here who has ever been treated in any way that was not respectful. No one has been sexually or mentally molested. As a journalist, you should know better than to print something like that without first checking your sources, insuring the affidavits, court documents and police reports are in order. As none of this exists, because it never happened, now you are not reporting fact, you are reporting lies as facts with no proof. There are repercussions for this behavior.

3) I have never called myself a medicine person. Others have insinuated it, but I have consistently denounced that and any other title. All I have ever called myself is a person.

4) I never stated or insinuated that I was, am or will be associated with or part of Chief Crowdog or Chief Looking Horse. Graywolf was told that explicitly, of which I have proof.

5) Mary Johnson does support what I am doing, as do other prominent Leaders. Send me a phone number and I will have them contact you.

6) I walked away from David Swallow. I was not asked to leave. You cant fire someone after they quit.

7) There is not now, never has been, nor ever will be a charge for anything done here. No $60.00 fee. Everything here is free. If you had bothered to ask, you would have been informed of that.

8 ) Not one Elder or community Leader has requested I cease and desist. Actually, quite the opposite. Many know what is happening here, and many support this work.

Everything you have written is false. I am giving you the opportunity now to check your sources, and the self serving reasons for the vile they are spewing. I wont ask for a public apology, but it may be in your best interest. If there is ever any information you need or want, you can contact me at anytime [number deleted]. You are welcome to come here and see the truth for yourself.

With respect,

Hawk Goodfire
Buffalo Messengers

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One of the pages where they made the original inquiry has some comments. Tried to find the most relevant ones that were not simply trading insults. The page is from Autonomous AIM of Chester-Lancaster County, themselves discussed in another thread.

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http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=498258675&blogId=513682670

Dearest Brother,
It saddens my heart that you are permitting yourself to be used by the evil one in an attempt to sabatoge this Sacred blessing given for the healing of all nations. I am a woman and I can vouch for the integrity of Mr. Spisak as a highly respected brother and humble servant of our Creator and His People.  I have attended Sacred ceremony with him on multiple occasions and know him professionally as well as a friend and as a brother who walks the Red Road in a good way. In the words of Chief Frank Fool's Crow, (whose altar, by the way, is the altar that Mr. Spisak was asked to serve ) the two worst enemies of Indian Country is not the White man, the government or the BIA but jealousy and alcoholism. It is the pitiful spirit of jealousy that is contaminating this beautiful opportunity for the People. It will be a joyful day in the Creator's eyes when His Native children can come together and enjoy His many blessings instead of stabbing each other in the back  and watching the blood flow without remorse. What has happened to the heart of the Red Man ? Are his eyes so blurred with deception , discord and division that he no longer see to identify the Sacred ? Whoever is feeding you information is greivously in error. Strict Lakota protocol is honored in ceremony in accordance with the teachings of Chief Frank Fool's Crow  and under the guidance of Mary Johnson who is Chief Fool's Crow's grand daughter. No money is requested or taken under any circumstance, women and men are clearly separated to honor the Lakota traditions of modesty and purity. I hate to disappoint you that your pitiful allegations are rooted in lies ... I believe in the in the White Man's world of justice the poison that you are spewing from your heart  is called slander. Be aware brother of the consequences of dishonoring the Sacred. I pray that the Creator give you ears to hear the truth that yes Mr. Spisak is a sun dancer, yes he has been asked by the elders to pour water , yes he carries the Sacred eagle staff , yes he is endorsed by a varity of prominent elders and yes he is working for the Creator and the good of the People. I pray that in the future you pray and fast on such significant issues to prevent your further reactions rooted in folly. Mitakuye Oyasin

Posted by Susan on October 12, 2009 - Monday - 3:59 PM



Did you also happen to mention that you send a person to the hosptial for 4 days because of one of your sweat lodges.......and waited for almost two hours before you even called an ambulance for help ...............the person was unconscious in the sweat lodge and after being pulled out they where unresponsive........THEN YOU DID NOT EVEN GO WITH THEM TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM........you stayed home cowardly covered under a blanket while me and another person went with them ....Yes this very same person is still coming up to your lodges and yes they may be okay ...
BUT YOU STILL SEND A PERSON TO THE HOSPTIAL FOR 4 DAYS........AND YOU HAVE HURT OTHERS.....beside they would not keep someone for 4 days in a hosptial if there was nothing wrong in fact they had to send them to another hosptial because of their condition....although no one could go and see them you should have went to the emergency room if you had any respect and honor.......
Oh they will say they are okay But the point is YOU Have HURT PEOPLE....and if they are reading this Just think about this.how come the other people who pour water at the same lodge never have injuries during their lodges????? Makes a person wonder and some may want to start re-thinking things.
And to all those who think they know Micheal Spisak....well they do say you never know a person till you live with them....and I do know that many will say that me and the other lady are exs and that we are bitter and so on. But I speake the truth and it is not because I am bitter.........Micheal Spisak hurts people PHYSICALLY MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY.....just start asking questions and you will see how quick he turns on you....Have another Tradtional Native American who knows who they are come around and stay for a few months and then you will truly see what kind of man he is....phone calls, visits and internet meetings are another thing.....HAVE A TRUE TRADITIONAL NATIVE AMERICAN  come and stay for a few months you will see the real deal.....

Now I was told yesterday by this whizbang that I was never never ever to come up there  
#1 I have no desire to be around you and your kind....I do not need you to know who I am I have walked this life for 45 years  and I know who my people are................
#2 I do not need your permisson for anything.you are nobody and anything you can and will say will not hurt me because I do not care...
#3 I want no part of anyone or thing that hurts people PHYSICALLY , SPIRITUALLY and MENTALLY.............
Now I am done with this I really do not care if MICHEAL SPISAK continues what he is doing......
I have a life I live in the real world ...
Oh and Micheal Spisak when you said that you hate to see what the spirits have in store for me and that I was DARK......
WELL i HAVE TO LAUGH BECAUSE AFTER ALL THAT IS WHAT THE WHITE PEOPLE SAID ABOUT MY PEOPLE UNPON FIRST CONTACT THAT WE WHERE INTO DARK THINGS BECAUSE OF OUR CEROMOINES AND OUR LIFE WAYS......AND AFTER  BEING IN YOUR CAMP WELL THAT WAS ENOUGH PUNISHMENT TO LAST 7 PEOPLE A LIFETIME.....YOU ARE TWO FUNNY WHAT A BOZO

AT LEAST YOU ARE NOT CRYING AND WHINNING ABOUT MONEY NOW...........AND YES PEOPLE GO UP TO THE RESORT AND ASK TO SEE THE WHITE BUFFALO.....ASK TO SEE THEM WITHOUT GOING THREW MICHEAL SPISAK.........OR THEY GOING TO LET YOU IN FOR FREE OR DO YOU NEED A CERTAIN PERSONS PERMISSION TO GO.......AND JUST WHAT ARE YOUR QUIALTCATIONS TO TEACH ANYBODY ANYTHING......UNLESS ITS YOUR PEOPLES WAYS YOU ARE TEACHING AND NOT THE LAKOTA PEOPLES WAYS (BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT LAKOTA )

Posted by SheWhoWalksWithPride on October 14, 2009 - Wednesday - 9:36 AM



I was wondering what type of evidence that you have about the statements made about Mike Spiszak AKA Hawk Goodfire. I have had dealings with him and he seems on the up and up.

He introduced me to Spiritual Elder Wallace Black Elks daughter Marilyn Black Elk who was staying with him at the Woodlands Zoo where the white and black buffalo lived. I also met other elders there that were legitimate first nations representatives.

I doubt very seriously that these elders would travel across the country to be associated with a scam artist. Even if it were to honor the sacred. the elders say that the sacred is not sacred if it is not done in a pure and spiritual way. If the intent is to exploit the spiritual any ceremonies performed would not be honored or excepted by the Creator.

That being said I also believe that one must always keep their eyes open and be receptive to any legitimate claims or disputes. If there is truly evidence of foul play, make it public for all to see. It should be noted that a disgruntled ex girlfriend making biased statements would not be considered credible.

The reason I mention disgruntled ex girlfriends is, when we were on location shooting documentary footage. One such individual started making some outrageous claims that were very un-nerving.

I quickly got both of them together and questioned him about the allegations. She quickly changed her story and stated that I had misunderstood her. There was no misunderstanding, just vicious lies meant to discredit this man.

By the way, he never once stated that he was any kind of medicine man. He stated that he was just a man, serving the buffalo and doing what was asked of him to help the people. He seemed to take painstaking efforts to make this point clear to all of the people that I saw him interact with. There were hundreds. He never solicited money or donations of any kind from me or anyone in my presence.

The real reason I'm writing this is my concern about how quickly we as Native Americans will go out of our way to halt the progress of our people. You are not at fault, Hawk is not at fault, I am not at fault, history is at fault. Our people have been conditioned by design not to trust. The government promised one tribe this, the neighboring tribe that until a people that had co-existed on neighboring lands began to battle for what lands and territories they were promised by the government.

After creating an environment of hostility and mistrust they put everyone together and let us systematically destroy ourselves. The genocide that the government had started was left to us to complete. Sadly we are still at war with each other.

If we as a people took as much time to unite and return to the ways of our ancestors, the world would be a better place. Not only for Native Americans, but for all people as the prophecies state.

Posted by Buffalo Messengers on October 12, 2009 - Monday - 8:08 PM



So, do you really want ALL information, or just the information you want? I went so far as to create a myspace page and apply to be your friend, just so I could respond here.

I cannot speak about the past, for I have no knowledge of it, but I can speak to now - I have worked with hawk for almost two years, I was at the Powwow where respected spiritual Native American Elders were in attendance, were guiding hawk, and were supporting the work he is doing with the buffalo. I spent time with these Elders and spoke to them personally.

I was there when he returned from Sundance, the man danced, 'nuff said.

I have participated in sweat lodge with hawk, and he has been nothing but respectful, a humble servant to the people, and very careful to abide by the instruction he has been given by the Elders.

He has never claimed to be a Medicine Man, in fact, goes out of his way to present himself as a humble servant of the people, just a man.

And I have never witnessed him nor experienced him as being inappropriate to women in the Inipi, ever. I have witnessed him holding the utmost concern for the safety and wellbeing of all the people he serves.

And by the way, I am in no way a "follower" of hawk, nor do I think the man is perfect - he's human like the rest of us, we all have our rough corners, so I'm not some bliss bunny spouting off the required retoric. I'm just an observant participant in life who finds it fascinating that brother/sister attack brother/sister when there is so much better use of our time that could be made in these difficult days.

Can we ask you, now, since you asked us for information - what prompted this "investigation"? And what is the outcome? Will you post that as well?

Posted by Silverbear on October 13, 2009 - Tuesday - 3:13 AM



This has been going on for 4 months -
We support AIM PAs investigation.  We support Erin Browne, We Support Graywolf, We support the statements of Woman that Walks with pride.  
We don't work with gossip.
  Posted by American Indian Movement Santa Barbara on October 14, 2009 - Wednesday - 7:28 PM



In my statement I had no intention of bellittling you or anyone else. I also stated in my first post that if Mike Spiszak AKA Hawk Goodfire had done any or all of the things stated that he should be held accountable. Out of all of these accounts of misdeeds there surely has to be some type of evidence and or documentation of all these improprieties.

I do have reason to question some of the statements since I had someone tell me some accusations when we were on a video shoot then recounted what they had said when questioned. They stated they were upset because they still loved him and couldn't understand why he didn't want to be in a relationship anymore. Then they told me the horrible account of him hurting someone in a lodge.

During that same video shoot I also had the unique opportunity to question the account of the person who was hurt during a lodge. On hearing this story I contacted the emergency room and had gotten an account of what happened from some of the staff that was in attendance. I then interviewed the person who was "hurt".

They explained to me that they were in the spirit world for four days then returned. They did not portray it as if they were a victim or had been violated in any way. Based on the multiple accounts that I heard, I thought that the person in questions story seemed very credible.

The medical position was more of a question mark as they really couldn't establish what the problem was and sent her to another facility with similar observations and results. Then all of a sudden she was fine as if nothing ever happened.

The horror story that I heard was then recounted and seemed to have no validity. Im not saying that their are not valid issues here, I'm saying that some of the issues are being blown out of proportion as I have respectfully stated above.

I say all of this to say, it is obvious that I am not trying to belittle anyone. I have an utmost respect and support for anyone who has suffered injustices done to them. ANYONE, Native or Non-Native. I have been a defender of the defenseless and always reached out to help someone in need. It is my nature and it is the native way.

I'm looking to lay blame, I'm looking for the truth. That's all.

I once again state that whatever issues that all the parties involved have. Can't all of you get together and resolve this.

The buffalo are the true concern here. In my book their well being is more important than any issues that any of us have.
  
Posted by Kingfish on October 14, 2009 - Wednesday - 10:46 PM




My name is Jimi (Quapaw and Cherokee).  I have known Hawk for about 10 years.  I have been with him at 3 sundances in Porcupine, hamblechas, and the ghost dance done for him by Rick Allen, Blue Thunder, and others.  He was asked to run the ceremonies and be responsible for the well-being of the black and white calves by Dave Swallows and Gary Christensen back when only the white was born. The next year, after the black was born they said this was his responsiblity too. They had him hang from the tree that year in order to carry the staff that is supposed to be at the ceremonies done for them. His job was pouring the lodges and providing for any elders who wanted to come and pray with the calves.  Mary Johnson supported him and gave him permission to dance her grandfather's colors when he was hung in the tree (Fool's Crow).  After some falling out with Dave and Gary, Mary stepped in and told him to continue on, and has helped guide him in the way the things need to be done. I have always gotten along with Dave, and Hawk, and Gary, and all them, I don't get involved in arguements.  But things are being done the way they were put in place. I was there for all of that from the beginning.  Since then, there have been many different elders and leaders who have come and prayed and given support. These things are true.
  I have known Hawk a long time, and I knew him when he was coming on to the road.  I knew him when he went to the Kiowas to give them back a bonnet that had been taken from them. And when he stayed with the Oneidas and friends with the Shannandoas.  He has always been learning in a respectful manner.  And he has done what he was told. This is why so many people have liked him and spent time with him.  There are alot of Indian people who were raised in foster homes like hawk, and we don't hold that against them. They are home now.  I ask that these people who are looking to find things out about him to keep in mind that we all have to learn. Nobody is born knowing everything. It is what we do with what we learn that is important.

ha, thank you
  
Posted by James on October 14, 2009 - Wednesday - 10:44 AM



Prior to the year 2000- Michael Spisak was married & living in North Huntingdon Pa.  He visited Hawk Pope and the Shawnee Remnant Band in Ohio, where things did not work out for him.  He had also been to Tennessee and he statd he could not return there because in his words, "They'd kill him because he had 'problems' with the Chiefs wife.

Between the years 2000-2003- He was living at my house attempting to get his disability.

Between the years 2004-2005- Michael traveled to the Onieda 32 acres, NY, and gave the Shenandoah's a portion of his disability settlement.  However things did not work out there and he returned.  He traveled north to Michigan to visit the Odawa.  He returned saying he was 'learning from many different tribes and that we should respect his teachings.'  He also traveled to the Kiowa to return a headdress and attempted to be 'adopted' into that Naion.  I received a call from there, it was Michael wanting me to vouch for his character so he could take an 18 yr old boy with him to Sundance in Arizona.  He went to Sundance in Arizona but did not pierce there.  Instead of returning to Oklahoma, Michael, the young man and several others drove to South Dakota to attend a Sundance there.  The people from Oklahoma drove to South Dakota to get the young man and take him home.  Michael and his friends were thrown out of that particular Sundance.  He came back to PA and announced he had learned the ways of the Lakota, had sweated with specific groups of people and that we should honor his teachings.  He stated we had never gone anywhere so we didn't know anything.  

Following this: Michael was in a car accident and broke his neck.  At this time Kenahkihenan was born and Michael began to form his 'alliance' with David Swallow, headman of the Lakota Nation by telling David about the White Buffalo.  David was gracious and polite. There was a naming ceremony that ALL Nations attended at the Farmington Zoo.  

After this, David Swallow came here, spoke at the Zoo and held ceremony for a weekend.

Michael poured a few sweats here.  1 sweat was good and turned out fine.  1 he poured and was in such a hurry he talked through the entire thing.  The 3rd sweat he was in but NOT allowed to pour he was obnoxious, bitter and sarcastic.  He interuppted the conducter of the sweat and blew an eagle whistle so loud 3 people came out saying they could not hear, 1 person got angry and left.  Everyone stated they would never go back into a lodge with him again.  Michael got angry and said we did not appreciate or understand his medicine.  I banned him from here and he tells people he walked away because we are local crystal twinkies and bliss bunnies who know nothing.

Michael began to Sundance in South Dakota and returned with David Swallows drum and an Eagle staff saying David appointed him to guard the buffalo.  Now, it has been learned that David didn't have enough money and he pawned his drum.  Michael bought it from a pawn shop and instead of giving it to David, he returned to PA with it.

After this, Michael took it upon himself to push everyone else 'out of the way' stating they didn't know anything.  He went to Sundance but reports that I received from various people told me, he did pierce but he did not complete the ceremony and in fact, David Swallow asked him to leave.

Standing Stone Village sponsored the 1st pow wow at the Farmington Zoo.

Following this, Nations and small groups in this area backed away from the buffalo and the zoo because no one wanted to be affiliated with 'Michael Thunderhawk, Hawk Goodfire, Hawk Crazydog...ect'

A disturbing pattern arises that whereas Michael told everyone he was traveling and learning, he was actually traveling and being thrown out of several Nations across the country.

Who taught him to pour?  No one.  He merely imitates what he saw and interprets it into what he THINKS a sweat lodge ceremony is or should be.
Posted by Alice Miller on October 15, 2009 - Thursday - 6:28 AM


Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: NanticokePiney on October 15, 2009, 09:23:39 pm
 Here's a thread where he's discussed and several of his old flames showed up to defend him or dis him. He emailed me personally to try to convert me with his pan-Indian blather but he had 2 things against him
 1. I dispise anyone who would dare call themselves a "warrior" and never served in combat.
 2. I'm a agnostic Quaker and I dispise all this pan-Lakota spirituality whether your white or Indian. If your not Lakota, it's not your culture. People should keep to their own culture.

 http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3019&p=1
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: NanticokePiney on October 17, 2009, 01:03:52 am
  Spisak's Website

 http://www.buffalomessengers.org/home.php
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 18, 2009, 01:53:16 am
I've known Michael Spisak/Hawk Goodfire for almost two years. I've never met him, but have had numerous conversations with him over the phone and by e-mail. No, I do not know him as well as some of these other women (I've never slept with him); however, I think I know him well enough.

A little background:
Almost three years ago, a white buffalo was born at a zoo in Farmington, PA. One of the local Lenape [sic] groups named him Kenahkihinen. Hawk, who is from that area, took an interest in the calf. He asked David Swallow to come to Pennsylvania to hold ceremony and bless Kenahkihinen. This was done. The following summer, a black buffalo was born at the zoo. Hawk returned from sundance on Pine Ridge as the guardian of these buffalo calves.

In November 2007, a year after the white buffalo was born and four months after the black, Arvol Looking Horse issued a statement concerning both, stating that they were virgin births. To those of us who had been following the story of the white buffalo, something didn't add up. Why hadn't something been said earlier? Why would something like that be kept a secret for a year? It sounded like a hoax. And so began a lengthy and difficult investigation. I'd have written the whole thing off as a full-blown hoax, if it hadn't been for the fact that people I respected a great deal were involved. Contrary to what the zoo was saying in 2007, they did have a buffalo bull at the time the white was conceived. There's a distinct possibility the mother of the black was pregnant at the time they purchased her in late winter/early spring 2007. Science tells me neither the white nor the black calf was a miracle. Special, but not a miracle. This is how I came to know Hawk.

Now to what has been going on over the past few weeks:
Rumors, gossip, innuendo, and out-right lies. It all keeps going back to Graywolf and Erin Browne. Hawk has told me that he doesn't know either one of these people; he's heard of them, but has never met them. Apparently Erin visited the buffalo at the zoo and found their condition deplorable. It had been raining and she criticized the muddy ground. The buffalo, as all animals do, had walked a path around the fence line. She complained that their pasture didn't have adequate grass. It was shedding season and Erin thought the buffalo had mange. She found fault with the treatment of the bears at the zoo, too. Guess she complained to anyone and everyone who would listen. When the zoo decided to sell their animals and close, she accused Hawk of selling the white buffalo to the "highest bidder". (I'm sure the decision to close had nothing to do with Erin's complaints; think it's just a coincidence.) Erin finally got Graywolf to listen to her and the rumor mill really went into fast-forward. Add a couple ex-girlfriends and here we are, discussing Hawk on NAFPS.

I've had several conversations with Hawk over the past few weeks.

First . . . No one has been molested before, during, or after a sweat lodge. Not sexually, emotionally, physically, psychologically, or any other way. This hasn't happened. I believe what Hawk has told me. No one has given one example where anything remotely resembling molestation took place. There's been a lot of bashing and name calling, but that's it. No facts.

Second . . . The person who went to the hospital from the sweat lodge was not physically harmed in any way. There were no burns, no heat exhaustion, no dehydration, no smoke inhalation, no carbon monoxide poisoning. The person was unconscious, with no physical injuries. It was explained to me that she was "in the spirit world". She spent four days in the hospital and then returned home. She continues to participate in sweat lodges with Hawk.

I talked to Mary Johnson, Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter, this past Monday. She spoke very highly of Hawk and supports what he is doing. She said she is "guiding him". His sweat lodges, the ceremonies, are conducted with her instructions and her blessing.

I have spoken to others who know Hawk and have been to Farmington. They all had nothing but good things to say about him.

I know that Hawk has helped many people. He returned a headdress to the Kiowa. He helped the Oneida and the Shenandoah family. He delivered an eagle feather gifted from the Shenandoah family to Qualla, in appreciation for the help the Cherokee had given them. He has helped many in Pennsylvania with food, money, labor, and prayers.

While I personally don't believe the "virgin birth" myth and have had a real hard time understanding where it came from and why it started, I cannot find fault with anything else Hawk is doing. He isn't selling ceremony. He isn't ripping anyone off. He isn't harming anyone. What AIM-PA, AIM-SB, and several ex-girlfriends are doing now is wrong. To make up lies about someone, to try and ruin their reputation and life, is wrong.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Cetan on October 18, 2009, 03:50:35 am




I talked to Mary Johnson, Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter, this past Monday. She spoke very highly of Hawk and supports what he is doing. She said she is "guiding him". His sweat lodges, the ceremonies, are conducted with her instructions and her blessing.



Reading this bothered me - Frank Fools Crow only had 4 granddaughters - Millie, the oldest, Cora, Vina and Phenette who just passed away. My mom was his adopted sister so I do know the grandchildren and he did not have a grandaughter named Mary Johnson, I do not know who she is but she is most definitely not his granddaughter and she should quit saying she is.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 18, 2009, 04:03:56 am
Sent this e-mail to AIM-SB two weeks ago; haven't received a reply.


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Hawk Goodfire
From:  Bonnie Singleton (bls926@msn.com)  
Sent: Sun 10/04/09 6:26 PM
To:  aimsb@ymail.com

Corine
 
I read your post about AIM PA on NAFPS and have read Graywolf's comments on myspace. Where have y'all gotten your information about Hawk? What makes you think he's selling ceremony, molesting women, or tried to sell the buffalo? None of this is true. He doesn't charge for ceremony. He has never molested women. The buffalo weren't his to sell. I may not agree with everything Hawk has done, but he isn't guilty of the things y'all are accusing him of. I can't sit quietly by and watch y'all try to ruin his life and reputation. Someone needs to post a retraction of these accusations and an apology.

Bonnie
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 18, 2009, 10:18:29 pm
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Reading this bothered me - Frank Fools Crow only had 4 granddaughters - Millie, the oldest, Cora, Vina and Phenette who just passed away. My mom was his adopted sister so I do know the grandchildren and he did not have a grandaughter named Mary Johnson, I do not know who she is but she is most definitely not his granddaughter and she should quit saying she is.

As for Mary, I would be very careful there. Do you see any statements from Grandpa's other direct family members, other than Mary? Not to discredit your information or association. But anyone can find that information with a little research. And we must remember, many people were hurt on Pine Ridge in the 70's. Many people were killed. Many simply disappeared. Many of them are still afraid. I dont use my legal name. Havent for years. Many others dont use theirs either. Sir, with all due respect, I offer for you to contact me at anytime. Email, (hawkgoodfire @ yahoo), telephone (215) 253.8865 or send a number and I will call you. Then you can speak with Mary about this personally. If you know, and have nothing to hide, and have no agenda, you shouldn't have a problem with this. Also, Mary will be here in PA on the 6th of November until the 15th. You are welcome to come and speak with her face to face. If you need help getting here, I will do all I can.

Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 18, 2009, 10:20:44 pm
Here's a thread where he's discussed and several of his old flames showed up to defend him or dis him. He emailed me personally to try to convert me with his pan-Indian blather but he had 2 things against him
 1. I dispise anyone who would dare call themselves a "warrior" and never served in combat.
 

Yes, I am a Veteran. I served in the US Navy from 1980 to 1984. I was in the first Persian Gulf War, when terrorists bombed the Marine Barracks. I was aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, CVN 69, airwing, VA-65 Fighting Tigers, an A-6 Intruder squadron. I have an Honorable Discharge.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 18, 2009, 10:29:11 pm
Prior to the year 2000- Michael Spisak was married & living in North Huntingdon Pa.  He visited Hawk Pope and the Shawnee Remnant Band in Ohio, where things did not work out for him.  He had also been to Tennessee and he statd he could not return there because in his words, "They'd kill him because he had 'problems' with the Chiefs wife...etc.,

Posted by Alice Miller on October 15, 2009 - Thursday - 6:28 AM

Thank you, Educatedindian, for posting this. It is an excellent example of someone who has a little information, then twists what little they know to advocate their self serving agenda. Someone with almost know education could decipher it is character assassination. There are so many discrepancies with that piece I dont have enough room to quote them all. I will if need be. Suffice to say, 99.9% of it is wrong. I would know, as I was there. The author was not present.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 18, 2009, 10:39:21 pm
re-posted for Roy R. with explicit permission


Oct 17 2009 7:01 PM

Regarding the "Spisak"inquiry of Buffalo Messengers,Im currently in possesion of two statements ive read over several times,one from Mary Johnson and the other from Chief Arvol Looking Horse,....BOTH supporters of the White buffalo in farmington Pa,Seperating fact from hearsay and gossip,Hawk does indeed have Prominent elders and supporters instructing,guiding and advising him on many matters,also,these buffalo are healthy and roaming upon 3000 acres now,he was instramental in having them moved there away from the zoo as a tourist attraction,and hes been there as thier caretaker since thier birth,selling a few t-shirts or fundraising is not EXPLOITATION,any caretaker of horses,cattle,or other can attest to this cost let alone providing transportation,lodging,food and other expenses when elders come,this simply defrays a small portion of the overall cost,This man has stood his ground under immense pressure and not hidden or ran off to start over elsewhere,obviously his heart is in this and i commend him for his bravery in the face of adversity,doors are open anytime to all and still are there to see for yourself,personaly,i extend my most sincere apologies to Mary,Chief Looking Horse,Elders,Buff.Messengers Oyate,friends and supporters and Hawk himself but most importantly,to the Buffalo Nation,Iktomi laid a thick web of deciet upon my eyes but through prayer,Tunkasila allowed my heart,mind,common sense and spirit together to lift this viel for what is proper and must be done,dont feel this internet apology is sufficient,am prepared to publicly apologize at your time and place of choice,Most sincerly,Mitakuye Oyasin!...Roy R.----Wanbli Gleska!http://www.buffalomessengers.orghttp://myspace.com/buffalomessengers
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 18, 2009, 11:32:22 pm




I talked to Mary Johnson, Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter, this past Monday. She spoke very highly of Hawk and supports what he is doing. She said she is "guiding him". His sweat lodges, the ceremonies, are conducted with her instructions and her blessing.



Reading this bothered me - Frank Fools Crow only had 4 granddaughters - Millie, the oldest, Cora, Vina and Phenette who just passed away. My mom was his adopted sister so I do know the grandchildren and he did not have a grandaughter named Mary Johnson, I do not know who she is but she is most definitely not his granddaughter and she should quit saying she is.


I'll admit that I've been wondering, too, ever since I read Cetan's post. She seems to know a lot of people out there.

I googled Frank Fool's Crow and found the same thing Cetan posted . . . four granddaughters, none of them named Mary. Was afraid I'd been had. I know, not enough trust; unfortunately it comes with the territory.

Made a couple phone calls today. First one wasn't able to help me; didn't know everyone in Fools Crow's family and suggested I call someone in Pine Ridge.

I just got off the phone with someone near Pine Ridge, who confirmed that Mary Johnson is Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter. It's a definite.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: NanticokePiney on October 18, 2009, 11:56:56 pm
  Hawk,
  And what about your claim of Athapaskan? From what I understand that's a language family. Not a tribe. I know the names of all the dine' tribes North and Southwest. Which one are you?
  Also I heard rumours that the Ord's of the Wannalape are still involved. Is this true?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 19, 2009, 12:30:24 am
  Hawk,
  And what about your claim of Athapaskan? From what I understand that's a language family. Not a tribe. I know the names of all the dine' tribes North and Southwest. Which one are you?
  Also I heard rumours that the Ord's of the Wannalape are still involved. Is this true?

The Ords have not been involved since very early on. They have not been here (that I know of), and certainly have not spoken with me in over two years, since that "you pick an adjective" they did here that I was absolutely not involved in. Listening to them sing Rita Coolidge songs as ceremony songs, I didnt know whether to pass out laughing or beat them with their drumsticks.

It is Athabascan. Athabascan is a language group. It refers to the Dine, and the Alaskan Tribes. The Dine' are our cousins. You would have to know our legends, which I will happily share if you like. The Holikachuk are an Athabascan speaking People. Here is a website:

http://www.ankn.uaf.edu/curriculum/Athabascan/Athabascans/appendix_a.html
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Cetan on October 19, 2009, 02:21:16 am




I talked to Mary Johnson, Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter, this past Monday. She spoke very highly of Hawk and supports what he is doing. She said she is "guiding him". His sweat lodges, the ceremonies, are conducted with her instructions and her blessing.




Reading this bothered me - Frank Fools Crow only had 4 granddaughters - Millie, the oldest, Cora, Vina and Phenette who just passed away. My mom was his adopted sister so I do know the grandchildren and he did not have a grandaughter named Mary Johnson, I do not know who she is but she is most definitely not his granddaughter and she should quit saying she is.


I'll admit that I've been wondering, too, ever since I read Cetan's post. She seems to know a lot of people out there.

I googled Frank Fool's Crow and found the same thing Cetan posted . . . four granddaughters, none of them named Mary. Was afraid I'd been had. I know, not enough trust; unfortunately it comes with the territory.

Made a couple phone calls today. First one wasn't able to help me; didn't know everyone in Fools Crow's family and suggested I call someone in Pine Ridge.

I just got off the phone with someone near Pine Ridge, who confirmed that Mary Johnson is Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter. It's a definite.

I just got this message from one of Frank Fools Crows great granddaughters

My father just informed me that Mary Johnson is a relative (his cousin on the Afraid Of Hawks side); however, she is not a direct descendant of grandpa. She is related to Fannie Afraid Of Hawks, whom was the first wife of Fools Crow and the mother of his only surviving child- Marie Fools Crow-Lone Hill. The only direct descendants living today are my father Mel and his sisters: Millie, Vina and Cora. (and of course, us kids...)
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 19, 2009, 02:44:41 am

I just got this message from one of Frank Fools Crows great granddaughters

My father just informed me that Mary Johnson is a relative (his cousin on the Afraid Of Hawks side); however, she is not a direct descendant of grandpa. She is related to Fannie Afraid Of Hawks, whom was the first wife of Fools Crow and the mother of his only surviving child- Marie Fools Crow-Lone Hill. The only direct descendants living today are my father Mel and his sisters: Millie, Vina and Cora. (and of course, us kids...)

Thank you for posting this. It shows, as has been stated, Mary is a relative of Grandpa. If she chooses to refer to herself as his granddaughter, I for one am not arguing that with an Elder. And, as is traditional custom, it makes perfect sense. The children of all are considered everyones children, traditionally speaking. How Europeans contextualize genealogy is not how First Nations do. I prefer the Native perspective. Mitakuye Oyasin or, in english, we are all related.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: NanticokePiney on October 19, 2009, 02:55:19 am
  Listening to them sing Rita Coolidge songs as ceremony songs, I didnt know whether to pass out laughing or beat them with their drumsticks.
      LOL!!! I would of did both.......but I would of ductaped a lead dipsey ingot to the drumsticks


The Holikachuk, do they have another designation? Like the Dogrib or Yellowknife?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Cetan on October 19, 2009, 03:04:08 am
It actually shows she is a relative of his wife Fanny, an in-law but not a blood relative of Fools Crow, nor a descendant of his. I know several people, enrolled Oglalas, who were adopted by him, and others who are cousins, but they dont go around saying they are his children or grandchildren; they leave that honor for his true blood descendants.  Actually there are very clearly defined relationships within the tiospaye as to who are mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 19, 2009, 03:13:05 am
It actually shows she is a relative of his wife Fanny, an in-law but not a blood relative of Fools Crow, nor a descendant of his. I know several people, enrolled Oglalas, who were adopted by him, and others who are cousins, but they dont go around saying they are his children or grandchildren; they leave that honor for his true blood descendants.  Actually there are very clearly defined relationships within the tiospaye as to who are mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles.


Cetan, from what I was told, the people of Pine Ridge consider Mary Johnson to be Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter. Why would any of us question that? If that's what they say, then that's what it is.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 19, 2009, 03:25:44 am

The Holikachuk, do they have another designation? Like the Dogrib or Yellowknife?


from Wikipedia:

Holikachuk (also Innoko, Organized Village of Grayling, Innoka-khotana, Tlëgon-khotana) are an Athabaskan people native to western Alaska. Their native territory includes the area surrounding the middle and upper Innoko River. Later in 1963 they moved to Grayling on the Yukon River.

The Holikachuk call themselves Doogh Hit’an (IPA: [to?.h?.t?an]). The name Holikachuk is derived from the name (in the Holikachuk language) of a village in native Holikachuk territory.

The Holikachuk have been neglected by anthropologists, resulting in little documentation (both published and unpublished). In the past they have erroneously (or out of convenience) been grouped with the Koyukon.

The peoples neighboring the Holikachuk are in the north the Yupik (Eskimo) and Koyukon, in the east the Koyukon, in the south the Kolchan, and in the west the Deg Hit'an.

Holikachuk culture is a distant relative to the Deg Hit'an culture.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 19, 2009, 11:26:15 am
No matter how you slice and dice this, Mary is a Relative of Grandpas. If you use the white perspective, you can find the delineations and seperations. The red perspective, as I was taught, is each child is everyones child. Therefore, everyones, grandchild. If you are of the family, then you are family. I prefer the red perspective. And isnt that what we are doing here? Looking at things through our eyes, not those of colonial domination?

Therefore, this goes to prove I am not a fraud, a plastic shaman, crystal twinkie, bliss bunny or member of the love and light brigade.

1) Mary is an Elder from Pine Ridge
2) I take my instructions from Elders. I am not making stuff up or doing things to hurt anyone. I am doing what I am told.
3) I am supported by Elders, (Mary is only 1).

Now then, maybe we can get back to the work at hand. Passing the message of the Black and the White Buffalo. The message of the Elders. The message of all the spiritual events that have and continue to take place out here. Thank you, everyone, for helping to clear up these accusations. Hopefully, after three years of this, we can finally put this to rest and all our Relatives can begin to hear and listen to this message. Until the next batch of ridiculous accusations come in that I will have to deal with.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on October 19, 2009, 01:25:05 pm
  Hawk,
  And what about your claim of Athapaskan? From what I understand that's a language family. Not a tribe. I know the names of all the dine' tribes North and Southwest.

I met an Athapascan from Alaska who refer to himself as such. But of course among their own they use the name of the tribe, village, etc.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 19, 2009, 01:59:35 pm
I met an Athapascan from Alaska who refer to himself as such. But of course among their own they use the name of the tribe, village, etc.

The key to that is "among their own". As in every Nation, there are strict protocols. As taught to me by my Auntie, among the Athabaskan People, northern and southern, there are also strict protocols in how we associate with our family and those who are not immediate family. Thank you for bringing this to light.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Cetan on October 19, 2009, 02:14:34 pm
It actually shows she is a relative of his wife Fanny, an in-law but not a blood relative of Fools Crow, nor a descendant of his. I know several people, enrolled Oglalas, who were adopted by him, and others who are cousins, but they dont go around saying they are his children or grandchildren; they leave that honor for his true blood descendants.  Actually there are very clearly defined relationships within the tiospaye as to who are mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles.


Cetan, from what I was told, the people of Pine Ridge consider Mary Johnson to be Frank Fools Crow's granddaughter. Why would any of us question that? If that's what they say, then that's what it is.

His direct blood family, only living grandson and greatgranddauther are upset over the claims of Mary Johnson that she is his granddaughter. But now the word is out to his family on Pine Ridge and they will handle it.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: corine68 on October 19, 2009, 07:10:44 pm
To bls926;

sorry for not replying to message, we did not receive it, good to know, we will have to look into that.  Please feel free to contact me also at corine68@yahoo.com.

We will not apologize, whether AIM PA does or not.  We will stand by Wanbli, Graywolf, and Erin Brown. 

Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks
AIM SB
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 20, 2009, 03:15:32 am
To bls926;

sorry for not replying to message, we did not receive it, good to know, we will have to look into that.  Please feel free to contact me also at corine68@yahoo.com.

We will not apologize, whether AIM PA does or not.  We will stand by Wanbli, Graywolf, and Erin Brown. 

Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks
AIM SB

Now that you've read my message, do you plan to reply? Just saying you refuse to apologize and stand by Wanbli, Graywolf, and Erin Browne doesn't quite do it. You're spreading stories with no basis in fact, just gossip and innuendo. The truth, as I know it, has been posted here. If you have a different truth, please share it with us. What did Wanbli say? The re-posting of David Swallow's December 2008 statement doesn't count. That's old news. I've read Graywolf's blog. He hasn't been to Pennsylvania, so how does he know what's going on? And Erin Browne, is it all about the zoo? What are y'all basing this smear campaign on? Facts, Corine, facts.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: corine68 on October 20, 2009, 03:36:57 am
Good Evening;
question-
why wouldn't David Swallow's statement count?  or what occured at the zoo?
Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 20, 2009, 05:06:41 am
Good Evening;
question-
why wouldn't David Swallow's statement count?  or what occured at the zoo?
Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks

I didn't say David Swallow's statement didn't count. I asked what Wanbli had said. Re-posting Swallow's statement doesn't count as something Wanbli said.

What happened at the zoo, that has Erin hell-bent on discrediting Hawk?

Facts, Corine, facts. I'm simply asking for facts.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 20, 2009, 10:44:31 am
My Response to Statement. This is a rep-post from Friday, February 06, 2009
   
YOU'RE KIDDING ME, RIGHT? HOLY CRAP!


The following is a "proclamation" that was issued about me. I've known about it, and refused to answer to it. Those who know me know its crap. I'm not the first person this has been done to, and unfortunately I wont be the last. And folks ask why the black buffalo has been born. This pretty much explains that, y'think?

David Swallow has requested I send out this statement from him to the sundancers, tiospaye, and interested persons regarding Hawk Spisak, (my fathers name) also known as Hawk Goodfire (a name given to me by Chickasaw/Cherokee/Quapaw friends) and Hawk CrazyDog, (a name given to me by Kiowa friends) of Pennsylvania.

David wants it to be formally known that, in every way, he disavows any and all connections to Hawk Spisak.

David Swallow also wants it to be known that he has not authorized Hawk Spisak

1. to act on his behalf

I have never acted on his behalf or anyone else.

2. to perform any Traditional Lakota ceremony

The only ceremony performed here is the sweat. I was asked to do so, and was given a c'anupa, staff and drum along with those instructions.

3. to raise funds in the name of David Swallow

Funds have never been raised in his name. Funds have, however, been sent to him. Records of those monies is available.

4. to raise funds in the name of David Swallow's sundance

Funds have never been raised in the name of the Sundance, however funds have been sent to support the sundance. Records are available.

5. to proclaim himself a spiritual leader

I do not now or have I ever, "proclaimed" to be anything other than a person. I do assist the People who come here spiritually. As a guide; as someone who has been down this road and can assist them if possible.

David also wants it known that Hawk Spisak

1. is not a Lakota-approved "Keeper of the Eastern Door" or Guardian of the white buffalo in Pennsylvania

What I do does not need the approval of the Lakota, or any other Nation. This is not a Lakota thing or an Indian thing. It is for all People, of all Nations. No human gave me this responsibility, therefore, no human can take it away. Ceremony was conducted to interpret the visions I was given associated with this commitment and I am following the instructions given in those ceremonies. I dont need his permission to pray, or anyone elses for that matter.

2. has never had any authority deriving from David Swallow or any Traditional Lakota Leader

I didnt ask for his authority. Or anyone elses as this isnt Lakota specific, therefore does not fall under Lakota authority. I do, however, have permission from other Lakota Elders and Spiritual Leaders to follow these instructions. No one speaks for every Spiritual Leader.

3. has never had the right to speak for the Lakota People

I do not now, nor have I ever, spoken for the Lakota People

4. has never had the right to speak for David Swallow

I do not now nor have I ever spoken for for anyone

5. has never had the right or qualifications to perform Traditional Lakota ceremonies

I do not perform Lakota ceremonies. I do conduct the sweat lodge, by permission from other recognized Elders and Spiritual Leaders

6. has never had the right or qualifications to teach Traditional Lakota ways or spirituality

I do not teach Lakota or any other traditional spirituality. Those that come here, come to pray. And you dont need to be "qualified" to pray.

7. is no longer a participant of David Swallow's Medicine Wheel Sundance

This is absolutely correct. I do not feel I can trust my life to someone I do not respect.

8. has never been a member of the He Ska Tokala Sobriety Society

I never said I was. I attempted to go that path, only to learn, painfully, that I was trying to do what I wanted to do, not what Creator wanted me to do.

David Swallow also wishes it to be publicly known that he has no connection whatsoever to

1. the 501c3 non-profit organization founded by Hawk Spisak known as the Wiyohiyanpata Oyate

The organization was never a 501c3 non-profit, although the paperwork was initiated. Because of egos and other peoples desire to be served instead of serving, I too have cut all ties with this organization. The name was, however, brought before him in the traditional way and permission to use that name was given. Monies raised by that organization were sent to him and records are available.

2. the Buffalo Messengers organization and website

His name has never been associated with Buffalo Messengers. However, recognized Elders and Spiritual Leaders were contacted by his permission. Phone numbers were given to me by him specifically and by the individual who wrote this proclamation.

3. any pow wow which Hawk Spisak organizes

Absolutely correct. This did not, however, stop him from calling two days after last years powwow to ask "where is my cut?" Records of funds transfer are available.

4. any activity of Hawk Spisak whatsoever

Absolutely correct.

If there are any other questions, or anything else I can provide, contact me at any time. All are welcome to come and see for themselves what I do, and what I don't do. This place and I are open to all. I am getting sick and tired of being trashed. But, it comes with the job. When it distracts from the message the People need to hear, thats when it has gone to far. There are those who could do so much good for the People. Yet, some have forgotten what was given was given for the People, not the person. At the risk of sounding egotistical, I must be really good at what I do, to have a proclamation issued against me. I mean, damn, I'm just one single person. I am not influential and my name carries no weight. I'm broke as hell, and I live on my disability pension. I'm a cripple, with a back broken in five places and my neck broken in two. I'm not world renowned, I live in a maintenance building, at a zoo in southwest PA surrounded by trees in the middle of nowhere. The majority of my time is spent alone. But, I do believe honor is more than a word. And yes, I have to be nice, to everyone, irregardless of what they do to me. But that doesnt mean I do not have the right to defend myself. I would love to see anyone else do what I do, live like I do, for nothing other than the privilege of being able to do it.  I dont get paid to do this, the expenses come from my oh so shallow pockets, and the only reward is to have proclamations issued and my name slandered. I guess I should change my name to "target".
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 20, 2009, 11:05:58 am
Good Evening;
question-
why wouldn't David Swallow's statement count?  or what occured at the zoo?
Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks

Nothing 'occurred" at the zoo. Accusations were leveled of abuse. Those accusations have been proven to have been false. Many people came to see for themselves after those accusations, and stated emphatically the animals were not being abused. In fact, they were being given the best available. Accusations were leveled I sold the White Buffalo, to make a profit personally. That accusation is simply ridiculous. I never owned the White Buffalo, so how could I sell it? And how does raising money to save them translate into selling them?

As for that statement, well, anyone who has been around the block can see what thats about. There is much, much more to this than the majority knows. The truth has come out, but it isnt the truth some want, so they disregard it. If it doesnt support a preconceived opinion, then it is dismissed. Thats absurd. You asked for answers, you were given answers, and because you didnt agree with the answer because it wasnt the answer you wanted, the answer that supported your opinion, you dismissed that answer. Seems a bit biased. Shoot the messenger, because you dont like the message.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on October 20, 2009, 01:43:58 pm
For those who may not be familiar with the matter, David Swallow's actions have long been a matter of concern. He has been widely accused of selling ceremony, associating with or giving approval to many frauds, and conducting ceremony in disrepsectful or inappropriate ways. There must be a half a dozen threads in here on him and the people he's worked with, as this search shows.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=search2

He is also, as far as I know, the only person whose ever had a tribal referendum aimed at stopping him, for his selling ceremony off rez to outsiders.

Hawk, could I ask, how you first came into contact with him, and what exactly caused the two of you to break off any further association?

Could you also explain this statement of yours?

"I do not perform Lakota ceremonies. I do conduct the sweat lodge, by permission from other recognized Elders and Spiritual Leaders."

Yet at least some of those elders are Lakota, correct?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 21, 2009, 12:25:12 am
For those who may not be familiar with the matter, David Swallow's actions have long been a matter of concern. He has been widely accused of selling ceremony, associating with or giving approval to many frauds, and conducting ceremony in disrepsectful or inappropriate ways. There must be a half a dozen threads in here on him and the people he's worked with, as this search shows.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=search2

He is also, as far as I know, the only person whose ever had a tribal referendum aimed at stopping him, for his selling ceremony off rez to outsiders.

Hawk, could I ask, how you first came into contact with him, and what exactly caused the two of you to break off any further association?

Could you also explain this statement of yours?

"I do not perform Lakota ceremonies. I do conduct the sweat lodge, by permission from other recognized Elders and Spiritual Leaders."

Yet at least some of those elders are Lakota, correct?


Yes sir. I first came into contact with him thru Stephanie Swartz. Notice all of the Elders statements on Buffalo Messengers, except Mary's, were edited by her. I had read a few articles of hers, liked them, and sent her an email thanking her for writing them. She introduced me to him, after inviting me to his Sundance. He was the only one who would allow me to dance the visions I was given. I agreed to finish my commitment at his hocoka. For those three years I sent him thousands of dollars, anytime he asked. I raised the monies needed for him to travel here. I sent him money to buy a van. Pay bills. Whatever. $300 one day, $500 two days later. I took a job delivering pizza so I could make money to send him. Imagine trying to deliver pizza with a broken back and a broken neck? Many nights I came home after a few hours of that screaming from the pain. Physically sick it hurt so much. But I stuck to it. I am very poor, and live on my approximately $1000 a month disability pension. I went without many times, because I sent the monies to him. I agreed to fulfill that commitment, so I took everything done to me. I saw it as a test of my faith; the commitment I made to dance for our Relatives. Was there a limit to what I would give for our Relatives, and if there was one, why? My last year of Sundance, before I went, he called to offer me a buffalo robe he was gifted at another Sundance for $200. I sent the money and he said he would hold it until I got to Sundance in August. When I got to Sundance I learned he had pawned it, and what he gave me was a mangy, moth eaten, oil and gas soaked robe that was at least 20 years old. That was the final straw. After all I had done over three years. I finished my commitment that year and have never returned. Some months after that incident, he issued, through Stephanie, that proclamation.

Yes sir, their are other Lakota Elders who know, approve and support me pouring water for the People. This year, at our gathering in July,
I was honored with the Eagle Staff. From Lakota Elders. There are photos of them on Buffalo Messengers myspace and NING.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on October 25, 2009, 04:53:04 pm
Good Evening;
question-
why wouldn't David Swallow's statement count?  or what occured at the zoo?
Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks

I didn't say David Swallow's statement didn't count. I asked what Wanbli had said. Re-posting Swallow's statement doesn't count as something Wanbli said.

What happened at the zoo, that has Erin hell-bent on discrediting Hawk?

Facts, Corine, facts. I'm simply asking for facts.


Five days later, we're still waiting Corine . . . 

Either state your facts or admit you were wrong and apologize.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 29, 2009, 09:38:55 pm
Trina Lone Hill  (http://www.facebook.com/trinilh76) has posted this about Spisak and Mary Johnson.
Trina should be joining us here shortly. Reposted with permission:
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False Claims by so-called Relatives

Trina Lone Hill  (http://www.facebook.com/trinilh76) (Rapid City,SD) wrote on October 18, 2009 at 10:27pm

I received an email today in regard to a woman named Mary Johnson. Apparently, she is out in the Farmington,PA, area claiming to be the grand daughter of Frank Fools Crow. She is also "blessing and guiding" a man by the name of Michael Spisak (aka Hawk Goodfire aka Sunkawitko aka Michael Thunderhawk); allowing him to dance utilizing her grandfather's colors & supposedly using his altar; he is doing all of his sweat lodges & ceremonies with her blessing as she is the grand daughter of Fools Crow.

My family and I find this quite upsetting. Mary Johnson is not a direct descendant of Frank Fools Crow as she claims. She is a relative of his first wife (my great grandmother) Fannie Afraid of Hawks. A relative  through marriage. This does not give her the right to exploit the Fools Crow name. She should know better! You should know better Mary!

It would be like me saying that I'm a direct descendant of Black Elk. He may have been a distant relative but I know better than to say I'm directly related and use his name for personal gain/profit.

There are many claims out there in this world. False claims... You know who you are! I pray that you realize what you are doing. My family is suffering for what you are doing. I pray that the spirits show you mercy for what you have done!

I'd like to thank Nancy Walker for notifying my family of Mary's claims on the NAFPS forum. If there are any other false claims by so-called RELATIVES please feel free to contact me via Facebook or email: trini_lh@yahoo.com

I have taken it upon myself to address the people who claim to be relatives and exploit my great grandfather's name. The Red Star family has already been caught! Those days of traveling to Missouri to do talking circles as Fools Crow's grand daughters are now over. I recall the days of you leaving your children for Grandpa & Katie to care for while you were out drinking. My memory is LONG...

Again, please feel free to contact me in regard to blatant exploitation of the Fools Crow name.

Pilamayapi! ~Trina

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Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on November 02, 2009, 11:47:18 am
Trina Lone Hill  (http://www.facebook.com/trinilh76) has posted this about Spisak and Mary Johnson.
Trina should be joining us here shortly. Reposted with permission:
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False Claims by so-called Relatives


ms. Kathryn,

If I may ask your assistance? I spoke with Mary about this and Mary would like to speak with ms. Lone Hill at her earliest convenience. I do not have contact with ms. Lone Hill, but you appear to. If you could ask her to call Mary as soon as is possible for her. She has Mary's number, and knows how to get to Mary's house in Manderson on Pine Ridge. Thank you.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Cetan on November 02, 2009, 05:49:58 pm
you can contact her via Facebook - since you posted a reply to her on the discussion board on the Fools Crow group you should have known that, you can always send her a message via Facebook that will not be public
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: oldspirit on November 02, 2009, 07:25:33 pm
Good Evening;
question-
why wouldn't David Swallow's statement count?  or what occured at the zoo?
Respectfully,
Corine Fairbanks

Nothing 'occurred" at the zoo. Accusations were leveled of abuse. Those accusations have been proven to have been false. Many people came to see for themselves after those accusations, and stated emphatically the animals were not being abused. In fact, they were being given the best available. Accusations were leveled I sold the White Buffalo, to make a profit personally. That accusation is simply ridiculous. I never owned the White Buffalo, so how could I sell it? And how does raising money to save them translate into selling them?

As for that statement, well, anyone who has been around the block can see what thats about. There is much, much more to this than the majority knows. The truth has come out, but it isnt the truth some want, so they disregard it. If it doesnt support a preconceived opinion, then it is dismissed. Thats absurd. You asked for answers, you were given answers, and because you didnt agree with the answer because it wasnt the answer you wanted, the answer that supported your opinion, you dismissed that answer. Seems a bit biased. Shoot the messenger, because you dont like the message.

I just noticed that the ZOO's website is no longer on line... so it made me wonder Why? and... Did the Creator intend for these Buffalo to be kept in a white man's ZOO? Is it the Creator's intention to bring all of this attention to a ZOO? Is it the Creator's Intention to bring sweat purification to the ZOO! or is it to take the Buffalo to the place of sweat purification?...seems all of this discussion about this right to be the messenger of this buffalo of which I read could also be used also to think... Why is this all taking place at a ZOO? ...seemed very white to me from the get go. I only put fencing around the animals I keep to make it easier for me to eat and that is between me and my Creator!
Even though the Zoo's website I can no longer find on the web, I do remember looking at it a few months or so ago. What I remember, when looking at the layout of the pens... it was nothing but abuse! That is what I feel a ZOO is. Maybe instead of continuing promoting oneself as being this or that or related to whomever... maybe one should look at these buffalo and find what the Creator intended...and do that? I am sure it is not in a pen in Pennsylvania in a white man way of the little ZOO/RESORT!!! I hope that is the message who ever carries it! I hope that the website of this ZOO being not online at this point is a sign that someone got this message! If not, it would seem to me that we all are being kept in a ZOO, I mean RESORT! ...sorry for this interruption...
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on November 02, 2009, 11:09:20 pm
Geez.  I don't care much for zoo's myself.  I have been to a few that seem Ok though, for keep some species from going extinct.  But I really don't like them..  I wonder how the buffalo would come to be in a zoo, unless it was born there?  Would you'all have to then purchase it from the zoo and then relocate it to a new place?  If it wasn't born there, does seem odd that it would have ended up there. 

As for Creator..  with the life I've lived thus far.. I've given up trying to even begin to know or understand what any Creator would want.. or not want.  I don't know, plain as that.  :) 
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: oldspirit on November 03, 2009, 12:12:33 am
Geez.  I don't care much for zoo's myself.  I have been to a few that seem Ok though, for keep some species from going extinct.  But I really don't like them..  I wonder how the buffalo would come to be in a zoo, unless it was born there?  Would you'all have to then purchase it from the zoo and then relocate it to a new place?  If it wasn't born there, does seem odd that it would have ended up there. 

As for Creator..  with the life I've lived thus far.. I've given up trying to even begin to know or understand what any Creator would want.. or not want.  I don't know, plain as that.  :) 

I understand what you are typing about not knowing what the Creator wants... many times I don't either... then I don't have a website up telling people I do. I have never been to any zoo that was ok. I have tracked a pack of wolves through the woods though and that did not mean I had to catch them and put them in cages to see them again. The Woodland Zoo is where the buffalo were in Farmington, Pa... I would not be surprise though they will be going on tour to open up all of the new 84 Lumber stores soon...
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/Wopila_Ceremony.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemacolin_Woodlands_Resort
...instead of released to roam as the Creator intended IMHO. I also know that the reality is they can not roam as this is what happens...
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/
...now finally I also know that money can just about buy anything... even buffalo... what happens next, I suspect only the Creator knows... and when it does, I hope we all get the right message.

   
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Cetan on November 03, 2009, 03:34:22 am
When the first white buffalo or two were born one of my relatives made the comment if these white buffaloes were for the fulfillment of our prophecy they would have been born in DLN territory to one of our herds, not born on a white mans farm. Just something to think about
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: LittleOldMan on November 03, 2009, 03:53:03 am
I agree since the white buffalo came to the Lakota, a plains tribe, should it not comeback to a LND tribe rather than a Cherokee,Lumbee, or Lanape tribe.  One wonders? Albinos occur in all species naturally. If white buffalo calf woman actually appeared would she not come again to those that she came to first.  "LOM"
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on November 03, 2009, 04:24:05 am
I agree with that too.  I always wondered about the white buffalo I've heard of, on some person's farm.  I figured, it would be born free, and wild.  To be honest, following this thread, I have wondered a few times why 'this' buffalo is the one of prophecy and not some other?  How does one determine?  Or are all white buffalo of the prophecy? 

I don't care for the resort LOM, I don't 'understand' parading them around, or even having them in any place that makes them into a museum type display for people to come and look at.  Nor did I much like the last link, it was too sad to really go into it. I saw what I needed to see of it. And I am too easily depressed these days to go further into it without plummeting. 

I was SO fortunate to see buffalo in South Dakota.  At least they were out in the wild. 

It took me most of my life to deal with zoo's for a 'purpose' other than for people.  I think humans put themselves too much into the center of everything.  I've even seen people pray as though God/Creator 'owes' them something..  I don't know.  But I don't think the Creator owes me anything..  not even life.   
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Rkmiller on November 03, 2009, 10:10:49 pm
Im new but i just wanted to add a few things,ive been follwing this issue here and i know AIM-PA didnt apologize,Roy R did.

Also have read that Chief Arvol Looking Horse supports The White Buffalo,but dont think he supports Mike Spiszak AKA Hawk Goodfire.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on November 04, 2009, 12:40:52 am

I just noticed that the ZOO's website is no longer on line...

The zoo is closed. the buffalo were up for auction to the highest bidder. The zoo refused to donate them. Buffalo Messengers worked to be the highest bidder. No one, other than Buffalo Messengers, then finally Nemacolin, stepped in to do anything about these two Sacred Animals. Not another individual, Nation or organization was interested, or willing to stop them from entering a circus or rodeo. Nemacolin has provided them with an amazing home, sparing no expense for them. With no expectation of return. They did this for everyone. There is absolutely no fee involved with seeing them and being with them now. All the Leaders who have visited and conducted ceremony, including the Shawnee, Cherokee, Lakota, Onondaga, Shoshone, Oneida and more all said these two must not leave this mountain. No one was interested before when we almost lost them. Now, Nemacolin has provided what no one else wanted to. I would think thank you is more appropriate.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on November 04, 2009, 01:20:02 am
Nemacolin has provided them with an amazing home, sparing no expense for them. With no expectation of return.

That's really great, I am glad they were spared the circus.  :)  Thank you.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on November 25, 2009, 03:28:12 am
Cante Tenza

LAKOTA WARRIORS ESTABLISH PROTECTION FOR PENNSYLVANIA WHITE BUFFALO


Cante Tenza Okolakiceye
Strongheart Warrior Society of Lakota Nation

MEDIA RELEASE

For Immediate Release:  Monday, November 16, 2009

Contact: Duane Martin Sr, Headsman, Cante Tenza,  605-517-1547

LAKOTA WARRIORS ESTABLISH PROTECTION FOR PENNSYLVANIA WHITE BUFFALO
Announcement Follows Traditional Native Ceremony at Nemacolin Sanctuary

Farmington, Pennsylvania - On Monday November 16th, Cante Tenza the Strongheart Warrior Society of the Lakota Nation, announced the warrior society will oversee protection for the sacred white and black buffalos living at the Nemacolin Resort near Farmington, Pennsylvania.

Cante Tenza Okolakiceye, which has included famous Lakota warriors such as Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull and No Ears, and the Tokala Okolakiceye Kit Fox Warrior Society sent representatives to the Saturday Wopila (thank you) ceremony to protect the ceremony and its participants and to ensure traditional protocols are being followed related to the Inipi (Lakota sweat lodge) ceremony and other sacred aspects regarding the care of the buffalos and the donated land for their sanctuary.

"We are honored to come here with direction from the Grandmothers to ensure balance and traditional protocol is followed related to the recognition of the sacred white and black buffalos," said Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.), headsman of Cante Tenza. "These beings are sacred to our people and their colors of white and black show us that we must all return to balance through the renaissance of traditional language and lifeway."

Cante Tenza will ensure the 50 acre buffalo sanctuary which is free and open to all people  continues to be welcoming to Native people who would be concerned traditional ways are being honored on site.

"We have welcomed Hawk Goodfire (Holikachuk,Shawnee) and Mark "Kingfish" Wassler (Shawnee) of Buffalo Messengers into Cante Tenza to watch over the buffalo and traditional protocols," explained Canupa Gluha Mani. "They have been with the buffalo from the beginning and can help to ensure fairness and balance are practiced going into the future."

Representing the Tokala Okolakiceye was Louis Janis, who along with Martin are both Tetuan Oglalla Judiciary Council members.

Elders of numerous Indigenous nations have been coming to honor the white buffalo since its birth in November 2006. Both the white and black buffalo were transferred to Nemacolin in mid October of this year leading to Saturday's ceremony that included visitors from the Lakota, Shawnee, Oneida, Mohawk, Cherokee and Crow nations. Strongheart's announcement adds another level of significance to this historic event.

Canupa Gluha Mani said, "We want to bring our Lakota Elders to visit these sacred beings in the months to come. Ensuring traditional protocols are being followed will help to support the visits from our Elders and Elders of other Indigenous nations."

More information about the buffalo can be found at http://www.buffalomessengers.org/ on Myspace at http://www.myspace.com/buffalomessengers and on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/hawkgoodfire


http://www.buffalomessengers.org/Cante_Tenza.html
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 04, 2009, 10:05:18 pm
PA White/Black Buffalo, Harvey Arden
from Harvey Arden, Author, Publisher
"Have you thought of Leonard Peltier Lately?"
http://www.harveysplace.net/home.html

I spent 3 days in mid-Nov at the new white/black buffalo compound at Nemacolin Estates, PA.  Hawk invited me and many Elders, including my close longtime friend Nagi Whiteowl from SE Missouri and other Elders from Pine Ridge etc.  I was already aware of Hawk’s poor reputation in some circles recently; maybe some of it’s true; maybe not.  Imperfect though he (and all of us) may be, he’s been put by Creator in an extraordinary position: hands-on keeper of the PA White Buffalo/Black Buffalo, with the blessings of an elderly man of great wealth (and heart), also God-sent I believe.  I know I’m the one who said some months ago that the “double divine birth” story was ‘BS’; so it seemed to me then, though I regret speaking so crudely. I never questioned the sacredness of the White Buffalo/Black Buffalo.  Quite simply, I didn’t buy that double divine birth story after a visit to the zoo where the animals were last year, before being taken to Nemacolin and treated like the sacred beings they are. Others DO ‘believe’ it, though I’m still not much of a believer myself, but when I saw the 2 buffalo—full-size at 2-3 years of age,  one strikingly  orangish white, the other jet black, seemingly aglow standing against the lucid pink afternoon sunlight that Saturday afternoon—I was at the microphone speaking to the crowd at that moment—the chills crept over me.  Divine birth or not, these are definitely VERY SACRED animals. Not an Elder there denied that.  As I spoke to the crowd, I found myself speaking of a ‘vision’ that was coming on me—just my thought, actually, but quite urgent somehow.  I saw President Obama standing in that very spot giving--and receiving--a blessing to & from the 2 sacred buffalo.   I also saw Arvol & Paula beside the President as I saw them in front of the UN a few years back, Arvol in his stunning white regalia, Paula behind him singing so beautifully as Arvol performed an exquisitely moving  ceremony with the buffalo skull and c’anumpa.  I saw Hawk standing there, just staying in the background and feeling blissfully aware how privileged he—and all of us—were to be there with the President & the Keeper of White Buffalo Calf Maiden’s c’anumpa…all before a REAL White Buffalo!!  If I were to add one small element to the ‘vision’—it would be David and Hawk praying together, their hostilities healed.  This would be the Great Healing indeed—called for years ago by Arvol.  I can say Hawk treated me and the others with the greatest courtesy and attention.  I saw him pass out many $--including $40 in cash to me personally to take the RR home to DC.  He’s not paid, but given a place to stay & lives on a small disability payment.  If he seems to some to ‘hustle’ for bucks, I know few folks, both good and bad,  who aren’t doing the same.  Regarding his obligation to the White/Black Buffalos, it seems to me utterly sincere.  I wish ALL of us would come to his assistance.  We ALL need to be healed—not to mention the rest of the world as well.  I think White Buffalo Calf Maiden is using each & ALL of us for higher purposes.  If we can heal ourselves, with the White Buffalo/Black Buffalo’s help, maybe Arvol’s Great Healing will spread to the rest of the world.   That’s up to us, we, ourselves, each of one us.  Thanks for listening.  Blessings, /Harvey Arden
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 12:27:49 pm
Micheal J Spsiak seems to be handing out money to everyone else ( Simple fact is that he buys people ) how about sending some to your own flesh and blood. You are too much...........your own family needs help  and you really do not care......after all if you are such a good example for others and you walk in a good way then your son would never have to put out in public that he has no money to take his 9 month pregnant wife to the doctor. For if you where the good person you claim to be then you would have already helped your son and there would be no need for him to be upset over that fact.
Here is the weblink for this PROOF. http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=profile.friendmoods&friendID=501142796
Your something you really are.......................like I have stated "Such Pretty words coming from a snakes mouth" and to quote a very strong and Powerful man Chief Arvol Looking Horse, 19th Generation Keeper of the Sacred White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle  ".There would  also be many false prophets."
http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/opinion/64486777.html

You really are a piece of work Micheal J. Spisak..................now how about those question that you refused to answer
Did you not send a person to the hosptial for 4 days because your actions in one of your sweat lodges???
why do you use so many names?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 06, 2009, 01:14:55 pm
removed as it doesnt belong and should not have been posted
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 01:27:57 pm
(funny how all the threats and insults that Micheal Spsiak made against me have  dissapeared  from here, thats okay because I kept them)

Now people you are seeing the real person.
Noe how about those question you refuse to answer
Did you not send a person to the hospital for 4 days because of your actions during a sweatlodge you had control over?????
And why have and still use so many indian sounding names?
And why do you not take care of your own flesh and blood???
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 06, 2009, 02:06:23 pm
my apologies to the staff for letting my temper get the best of me
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 02:15:41 pm
You are showing your true form ................keep on.
Now answer those questions that you keep skirting around.
Did you not send a person to the hospital for 4 days because of your actions during a sweatlodge you had control over??
And why have and still use so many indian sounding names?
And why do you not take care of your own flesh and blood???
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on December 06, 2009, 02:20:29 pm
The two of you need to take your personal dispute elsewhere. It won't be tolerated in here. All insults were removed. The only thing left up are facts that might be relevant. The only way people might believe either of you is if you both can respond to them with proof of what you say. But the online equivalent of sticking your tongues out will get deleted fast. In fact it may get you banned should you keep it up.

I've kept the posts should anyone ask to see them. I thought about deleting Spisak's admission about his own past. But he chose to make it public. The same with CWF bringing up the ugly history of the two of them together. Most of the time claims one ex makes vs another isn't relevant unless either of them can show behavior that is outright abusive.

For CWF, I insist you show us some proof of the claim about injuries in the sweatlodge, the most serious accusation.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 02:31:21 pm
red road hawk thats a new one.
I am just stating the facts.
If you where such an honorable person your family would not have to be putting that kind of information in public.Because you would have already taken care of it. your family did put that on their myspace profile  WORLD WIDE WEB for everyone to see.
And as for your legal name...........well you really do not let people know that. I wonder why?? I did however make sure that the person you caused injury to in your sweat lodge had it before I left. And it was me who left........your behavoir is frigthening at times as people can see here.
I have reposted the information below so it does not dissapear because this truely shows what and how you are.

[Moderator's note: Removed. That's spamming. You were already warned. Stick to the subject only.]
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 02:36:49 pm
I see this as a threat ...............he wrote
You want to meet the old hawk? Pre red road hawk? Oh, Ill dust him off and shake him out for you. I promise, it wont work out the way you have it rehearsed. You dont have the mental capabilities to keep up with me. You want to talk with Alice? Ask her. She knew some of the old me, as she and I got involved at the tail end of my insanity.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 02:38:02 pm
sorry but I was only coming out with the facts then I get threathen
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 06, 2009, 02:57:56 pm
The two of you need to take your personal dispute elsewhere. It won't be tolerated in here. All insults were removed. The only thing left up are facts that might be relevant. The only way people might believe either of you is if you both can respond to them with proof of what you say. But the online equivalent of sticking your tongues out will get deleted fast. In fact it may get you banned should you keep it up.

I've kept the posts should anyone ask to see them. I thought about deleting Spisak's admission about his own past. But he chose to make it public. The same with CWF bringing up the ugly history of the two of them together. Most of the time claims one ex makes vs another isn't relevant unless either of them can show behavior that is outright abusive.

For CWF, I insist you show us some proof of the claim about injuries in the sweatlodge, the most serious accusation.

Micheal Spisak has not denied that either.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 07, 2009, 02:36:27 am
all accusations with regards to the lodge have been reviewed and dismissed. They have been proven not to have happened the way some insist they have.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 07, 2009, 02:49:06 am
 Reviewed and dismissed by whom???
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 02:44:38 am


Printed in Herald Standard Sunday, December 13. 2009 UnionTown Pennsylvannia
article can be found Local section page B3

Cherokee Nation official warns of fraudulent groups
By Ginger Brown.

     I read with interest the story “Ceremony held for the White Buffalo” published recently about the so-called elder member and ambassador of the Sovereign Cherokee nation of Oklahoma. I thought that you might want to be made aware that this individual is not affiliated in any way with the real Cherokee Nation or with the other federally recognized Cherokee tribes.
     Fraudulent groups and individuals passing themselves off as Native American have become big business over the past two decades, with more than 200 groups that claim to be some sort of Cherokee tribe.
     There are also hundreds of individuals who claim to be Cherokee or from the Cherokee Nation and offer services that range from teaching culture to spiritual advice. The Cherokee nation does not question anyone’s claims of heritage or ancestry, but merely points out the significant difference between claiming heritage and having citizenship in a federally recognized Indian tribe. There are only three federally recognized Cherokee tribes; the Cherokee Nation and the Untied Keetoowah Band of Cherokee both located in Oklahoma and the Eastern band of Cherokee located in North Carolina. No group outside of North Carolina and Oklahoma has ever been recognized as a legitimate Cherokee sovereign.
      The “Eastern Cherokee Nation” and “Western Cherokee Nation” including the ‘old settlers” and the “late immigrants” joined together in an Act of Union on july 12, 1839. There are no “lost” Cherokee tribes or splinter groups that hid out or dropped off the Trail of Tears.
     Those who have Native American ancestry but are not eligible for citizenship in a federally recognized Indian tribe should participate in the culture through heritage groups and associations, but not groups that call themselves “tribes” or “nations.
     Fake tribes and individuals with unverifiable ties to Native American citizenship often claim to be passing on Cherokee cultural knowledge and traditional arts. But the reality is that these groups and individuals dilute true Indian culture and identity. Many of them pass along cultural information that is incorrect or that perpetuates harmful stereotypes.
     When seeking authentic information about tribal culture, history, traditions, genealogy and government, we urge you to look carefully into claims made by groups that are not recognized by the federal government, especially those that claim represent the Cherokee nation or another tribe. The Cherokee nation is alive and well in Tahlequah, Okla., as it has been for 170 years. Cherokee language and culture still thrive here, as well as in North Carolina with the Eastern band of Cherokee Indians. Those looking for knowledge should turn to historic, legitimate Indian tribes for such information. For further information with regard to dispelling myths and exposing frauds, call the Cherokee nation (918) 453-5000 or the Bureau of Indian Affairs at (202) 513-7650 for a list of legitimate nations, tribes and bands. For more information about the Cherokee Nation, visit our website at www.cherokee.org and http://tribalrecognition.cherokee.org.

Ginger Brown is the government relations officer for the Cherokee nation. 
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 03:27:01 am


Printed in Herald Standard Sunday, December 13. 2009 UnionTown Pennsylvannia
article can be found Local section page B3

Cherokee Nation official warns of fraudulent groups
By Ginger Brown.

     I read with interest the story “Ceremony held for the White Buffalo” published recently about the so-called elder member and ambassador of the Sovereign Cherokee nation of Oklahoma. I thought that you might want to be made aware that this individual is not affiliated in any way with the real Cherokee Nation or with the other federally recognized Cherokee tribes.


it takes a desperate individual to openly attack a recognized member of the Elders Council of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Anyone who wants to know about her can find out anything. She is well known and has an excellent reputation. Simply contact the Oklahoma Cherokee, ask for the Elders Council and go from there. I would ask our relatives pray for this person, as she needs all the help she can get. I will personally pass on your concerns to this Elder, who I am sure would love to discuss this with you in great detail. This offer was extended before, which was dismissed out of hand when you spoke out disrespectfully about another recognized Elder. I expect you will run away from this offer also. How can anyone take anything you say as credible when you publicly disrespect known and respected Elders? A review of the aforementioned newspaper carries no such article for Dec. 13
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 03:36:30 am
This was printed in a local newspaper................so if you have a problem then maybe you should contact the newspaper and Ginger Brown who wrote the article and who is also the government relations officer for the Cherokee nation.  
the truth is the truth.
no one is desperate here just letting everyone know what is being put out for the public.
Now you never did put out the statements of the people who reviewed and dissmissed your actions of causing injury to a person during one of your sweat lodges.
Where are these statements?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 03:40:11 am
The link is below for the story
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 04:34:39 am
here is the website link I also have a hard copy of the news paper article
http://www.heraldstandard.com/news_detail/article/1737/2009/december/13/cherokee-nation-official-warns-of-fradulent-groups.html

Cherokee Nation official warns of fradulent groups
By: GINGER BROWN Herald Standard

I read with great interest the story "Ceremony held for White Buffalo" published recently about the so-called elder member and ambassador of the Sovereign Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. I thought you might want to be made aware that this individual is not affiliated in any way with the real Cherokee Nation or with the other two federally recognized Cherokee tribes.

Fraudulent groups and individuals passing themselves off as Native American have become big business over the past two decades, with more than 200 groups that claim to be some sort of Cherokee tribe.

There are also hundreds of individuals who claim to be Cherokee or from the Cherokee Nation and offer services that range from teaching culture to spiritual advice. The Cherokee Nation does not question anyone's claims of heritage or ancestry, but merely points out the significant difference between claiming heritage and having citizenship in a federally recognized Indian tribe. There are only three federally recognized Cherokee tribes: the Cherokee Nation and the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians both located in Oklahoma and the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians located in North Carolina. No group outside of North Carolina and Oklahoma has ever been recognized as a legitimate Cherokee sovereign.

The "Eastern Cherokee Nation" and "Western Cherokee Nation," including the "old settlers" and "late immigrants," joined together in an Act of Union on July 12, 1839. There are no "lost" Cherokee tribes or splinter groups that hid out or dropped off the Trail of Tears.

Those who have Native American ancestry but are not eligible for citizenship in a federally recognized Indian tribe should participate in the culture through heritage groups and associations, but not groups that call themselves "tribes" or "nations."

Fake tribes and individuals with unverifiable ties to Native American citizenship often claim to be passing on Cherokee cultural knowledge and traditional arts. But the reality is that these groups and individuals dilute true Indian culture and identity. Many of them pass along cultural information that is incorrect or that perpetuates harmful stereotypes.

When seeking authentic information about tribal culture, history, traditions, genealogy and government, we urge you to look carefully into claims made by groups that are not recognized by the federal government, especially those that claim to represent the Cherokee Nation or another tribe. The Cherokee Nation is alive and well in Tahlequah, Okla., as it has been for 170 years. Cherokee language and culture still thrive here, as well as in North Carolina with the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. Those looking for knowledge should turn to historic, legitimate Indian tribes for such information. For further information with regard to dispelling myths and exposing frauds, call the Cherokee Nation (918) 453-5000 or the Bureau of Indian Affairs at (202) 513-7650 for a list of legitimate nations, tribes and bands. For more information about the Cherokee Nation, visit our Web site at www.cherokee.org and tribalrecognition.cherokee.org

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Ginger Brown is the government relations officer for the Cherokee Nation.

Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 11:49:38 am
ok, so Ginger Brown says she has no affiliation. My apologies to you. Yet, Nagi carries the endorsed credentials. Sounds like something that needs to be handled by the Cherokee. What does this have to do with me? Other than the obvious of course. That you are using it to somehow discredit me. Nagi is a wonderful person. Very respectful and very traditional. I know many Elders who emulate her. I know many more who should.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 03:38:21 pm
Nagi has been contacted and spoken with. She will be contacting Ms. Brown to rectify this situation. Yes, the wording was incorrect. Nagi is the official ambassador of the Elders Council of Locust Grove, Oklahoma. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused or misrepresentation by previous wording. This is no way takes away from Nagis' credibility or validity. Nagi is a highly respected, venerated, recognized Elder of the Cherokee Nation. An official statement is forthcoming. When it is received, it will be posted accordingly. The Herald Standard is being contacted, and a retraction will be formally requested.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 04:08:08 pm
any questions regarding the credibility of Nagi White Owl should be directed to the Cherokee Elders Council, telephone: (800) 337 9084 They are aware of this situation and are correcting it. The Secretaries name is Audrey Selken.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Superdog on December 14, 2009, 04:23:41 pm
I'm not debating the legitimacy of one person, I'm only contributing this from the Cherokee Elders Council Website where Nagi is listed as a sponsor.  Her hometown is listed as Parsons, Kansas, however, the council themselves are not a governmental body of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma so Ginger Brown's statement that she doesn't represent CNO appears to be correct.

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from their website Mission page:
http://cherokeeelderscouncil.cherokee.org/Mission/tabid/2014/Default.aspx

The Cherokee Elders Council promotes and preserves the Cherokee language, culture, and traditions through teaching and community involvement. 

Cherokee Elders Council is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation, composed of action oriented, not politically affiliated, Cherokees 55 years and older.

Chief Elder, Jack Hummingbird 
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They do a lot of great things but I don't see any indication where they sanction ambassadors of the Cherokee Nation.  In fact, they would seem to shy away from that according to the info from their site.

Came across her name as a presenter for the Gathering of Eagles in 2002.  That particular event calls Sun Bear and Brooke Medicine Eagle as great wisdom keepers and touts the legitimacy of Wallace Black Elk.  Can't really read much into that other than she was listed as a presenter and leader of the Wolf Clan with tribal affiliations from Cherokee, Lakota and Osage.

I'm not debating any of that info, (I'm not Cherokee...it's really up to them and the other tribes to say something if they have a problem with that), but she shows up alongside several dubious characters in different pay to pray types of situations with that listing at the Gathering of Eagles.  Maybe it was a mistake, but it does make her appear to support individuals like Brooke Medicine Eagle and others who are known frauds.  Can you enlighten us Michael on what Nagi's take is on that event...giving her an open door to say her part and put things to rest if she likes.

Superdog
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 04:33:58 pm

I'm not debating any of that info, (I'm not Cherokee...it's really up to them and the other tribes to say something if they have a problem with that), but she shows up alongside several dubious characters in different pay to pray types of situations with that listing at the Gathering of Eagles.  Maybe it was a mistake, but it does make her appear to support individuals like Brooke Medicine Eagle and others who are known frauds.  Can you enlighten us Michael on what Nagi's take is on that event...giving her an open door to say her part and put things to rest if she likes.

Superdog

No, my friend, I cannot speak as Nagi. However, you are welcome to speak with her directly about it. Nagi is a wonderful person, very traditional, who goes above and beyond to provide for her people. I know her as an intelligent, outspoken individual who does not mince words or say anything she isnt willing to back up. I would suggest calling the Elders Council to hear from them first hand who she is, what she does, and to ascertain her credibility and standing in the community. You will find she is regarded highly, with much respect and love. As for who she may have known or been at an event with, this is well beyond my ability to speak about. I can say, from the person I know, she would never condone a "pay to pray" situation, in any context. From Audrey Selken, in its entirety:

Dear Mr Goodfire.
I am deeply troubled by the mis-information that has been circulating about Nagi Whiteowl.This was a terrible mistake on the part of The Herald Standard. She in no way represented herself as an ambassador for the Cherokee Nation.
Nagi Whiteowl is a valued member of the Cherokee Elders Council of Locust Grove ,Oklahoma.and indeed an ambassador for us. She helps us in our endeavor to aid all people in need in our comunities. Because of her help we are able to feed and find clothing and other goods for over 15,000 people in need every year.
I truly hope that this awful mistake can be corrected immediately.
 
Audrey Selken   Treasurer  Cherokee Elders Council, Inc.
 
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Superdog on December 14, 2009, 06:45:38 pm

I'm not debating any of that info, (I'm not Cherokee...it's really up to them and the other tribes to say something if they have a problem with that), but she shows up alongside several dubious characters in different pay to pray types of situations with that listing at the Gathering of Eagles.  Maybe it was a mistake, but it does make her appear to support individuals like Brooke Medicine Eagle and others who are known frauds.  Can you enlighten us Michael on what Nagi's take is on that event...giving her an open door to say her part and put things to rest if she likes.

Superdog

No, my friend, I cannot speak as Nagi. However, you are welcome to speak with her directly about it. Nagi is a wonderful person, very traditional, who goes above and beyond to provide for her people. I know her as an intelligent, outspoken individual who does not mince words or say anything she isnt willing to back up. I would suggest calling the Elders Council to hear from them first hand who she is, what she does, and to ascertain her credibility and standing in the community. You will find she is regarded highly, with much respect and love. As for who she may have known or been at an event with, this is well beyond my ability to speak about. I can say, from the person I know, she would never condone a "pay to pray" situation, in any context. From Audrey Selken, in its entirety:

Dear Mr Goodfire.
I am deeply troubled by the mis-information that has been circulating about Nagi Whiteowl.This was a terrible mistake on the part of The Herald Standard. She in no way represented herself as an ambassador for the Cherokee Nation.
Nagi Whiteowl is a valued member of the Cherokee Elders Council of Locust Grove ,Oklahoma.and indeed an ambassador for us. She helps us in our endeavor to aid all people in need in our comunities. Because of her help we are able to feed and find clothing and other goods for over 15,000 people in need every year.
I truly hope that this awful mistake can be corrected immediately.
 
Audrey Selken   Treasurer  Cherokee Elders Council, Inc.
 

Ok...I'm just trying to head off the witch hunt on her before it goes any further.  It's pretty easy to gather that she is a charitable person and there is no evidence of any fraudulent behavior on her part IMHO.  Non-Indian media will frequently misrepresent the information about a person and tend to throw in their own ideas and the jump from representing the Elders Council of Locust Grove to representing the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma just because she said she's Cherokee is something non-Indian journalists would commonly do and the misrepresentation is not out of the ordinary. 

My take on her is that she is who she says she is and she's someone whose only trying to help.  If she's got any faults it may be that she's too trusting as she's given some support to one or two internet shamans...or at the very least they use words attributed to her as selling points for what they got going on.

Probably time to move on from her.  She's free to weigh in on these issues herself or through you Michael, but I don't think it's truly necessary.

Superdog
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 08:32:00 pm
thank you
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 09:51:20 pm
This is the Invitation for the Wopila Ceremony from the Buffalo Messengers website. As you can clearly see it states Nagi White Owl Ambassador, Sovereign Cherokee Nation , Oklahoma .
So if thats a mistake then Buffalo Messengers and whoever put together the invitation are the ones who need to apologize for giving out the wrong information.
Heres the weblink
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/images/invite-3.jpg

P.S. if this weblink suddenly disapears then please email me I have it copied in full and would be gladly to send it.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 09:58:04 pm
This is the Invitation for the Wopila Ceremony from the Buffalo Messengers website. As you can clearly see it states Nagi White Owl Ambassador, Sovereign Cherokee Nation , Oklahoma .
So if thats a mistake then Buffalo Messengers and whoever put together the invitation are the ones who need to apologize for giving out the wrong information.
Heres the weblink
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/images/invite-3.jpg

P.S. if this weblink suddenly disapears then please email me I have it copied in full and would be gladly to send it.

this has obviously been done already, much earlier in the day. See « Reply #64 on: Today at 08:38:21 AM »
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 10:07:57 pm
Hopefuly  the Herald Standard will hear the real story about how someone made the mistake of putting wrong information out for the public to see. That should be printed.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 14, 2009, 10:16:36 pm
Hopefuly  the Herald Standard will hear the real story about how someone made the mistake of putting wrong information out for the public to see. That should be printed.

that too is being handled...by the Cherokee. As it should be.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 10:19:48 pm
As long as the real story about how it was written on your website. For this is how it was started.
The Herald standard did not make a mistake. it was the information that was placed on Micheal Spisak;s website that started this whole thing. Hopefuly that truth will come out. It should come out we shall see.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 14, 2009, 11:37:09 pm
So I guess the day this reporter came to the thank you ceromony he was told the same thing.  Something does not sound right here..........
Why was this not corrected then????? Surley someone else on here sees this and also questions the reason. The reporter must have been told who was attending that day and what/who they where when they where introduced. I mean would it not make sense that the right information was to be given that day??????
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09320/1013814-455.stm

Ceremony held for white buffalo at Nemacolin Woodlands Resort
Monday, November 16, 2009
By The Associated Press
FARMINGTON, Pa. -- Native American songs and dances welcomed a sacred white buffalo to his new home at a sanctuary established at a Fayette County resort following the closure of the zoo where he was born.

About 200 people took part in Saturday's ceremony to thank owners of Nemacolin Woodlands Resort in Farmington for buying the white buffalo and another black buffalo born at the nearby Woodland Zoo in Farmington, which closed last month. The animals are now on a 50-acre parcel on the wooded grounds of the resort.

Mike "Hawk" Goodfire, appointed by the Lakota tribe as caretaker of the white buffalo, led a program that featured talks from several elder members of the tribe. Nagi White Owl, ambassador of the Sovereign Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, was among those who came from far away to attend.
"We need to open our eyes, our ears and our hearts and come together to respect all," she said. "The white buffalo born to white nations means fulfillment, a coming together of all nations."

The white buffalo "Lightning" and the black buffalo "Thunder" spent the ceremony resting in a wooden sty overlooking the site, occasionally standing at the sound of drums and voices or strolling around the area.

Joe Hardy, founder of both the resort and 84 Lumber, was presented with a feather from a bald eagle as well as Indian blankets.

"This is phenomenal" Mr. Hardy said. "I am impressed. This is such a great day for all of us."

The resort also plans to establish an American Indian interpretive center.

In Lakota lore, White Buffalo Woman was sent by the Creator to teach the people to communicate with the deity through the prayer pipe. When she left, vowing to return, she was transformed into a buffalo calf of different colors, and the birth of the white buffalo is said to signal her return
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 15, 2009, 12:21:04 am
actually, the reporter who wrote that story did not talk to anyone. The story was written without interviews and there are many points of contention in it. Intelligent people understand fully the media writes for sensation. It doesnt mean anything. That is, of course, until someone gets ahold of it and tries to turn it into something it never was. Then it gets blown up into something it never was, hurts people and causes problems. Yet another attempt to discredit using made up and/or misinterpreted information to satisfy someones ego and arrogance.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 15, 2009, 12:54:06 am
Then why did you not correct it sooner???  I am sure you have read it over and over and over and saw the mistake..............why did you not correct it sooner.
You took the time to place it on your buffalo messenger website if the information was wrong then why did you not correct it??? Duh!!???
Yes you do have a way of placing trouble in peoples life.
Buffalo Messengers website
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/
look under the buttons for buffalo articles (top row) then click on Post Gazette 11-23-09
I can almost asure everyone that this to will disapear.............Truth is truth
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on December 15, 2009, 03:45:22 am
ComesWithFire, why do you keep insinuating that the link to Buffalo Messengers or to specific things posted there, will disappear? You've done that twice today. Reply #70 and Reply #77. The Buffalo Messengers website is not going anywhere. All the newspaper articles, statements from the Elders, endorsements for what Hawk is doing, the interviews, Hawk's blogs are there for everyone to read. What is your problem? You are trying to cast doubt on someone without facts. Your actions are troubling to me and to others here.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 15, 2009, 10:39:55 am
My actions are troubling? Well lets see a newspaper article that Micheal Spisak AKA hawk good fire etc........states that the information is wrong ................if that is true then why did he place it on the website? Why promote Mistruths. Why did Micheal Spisak not correct it before, The newspapers do have R E T R A C T I O N S ...........
I do have a problem with people blaming the The Herald Standard for this wrong information, they had to get it from somewhere. I mean The Herald Standard just did not make it up. Read post 67 as you can see they think The Herald Standard is to blame when in fact it was whomever held the Thank You Ceromony . They only printed the information that they where given or that was given out.
I do not have to cast doubts for as any one can see Micheal Spisak promoted The Herald Standard article on his website.
I asked once again if the information was wrong why promote it when it should have been corrected sooner? Why did the invititation to the Thank You Ceromony State the same thing?
One would think that the correct information would have been presented and since the information was out for a good while surely someone else noticed the mistake?
Unbelieveable really .............more smoke and mirrors
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 15, 2009, 11:52:25 am
dont you get it? No one cares. Newspapers typically get things wrong, or write a story in a way they think will sell papers. It is simply a non-issue, you are trying to make into an issue. Were they contacted? Um, yes. Were they told about mistakes and asked to correct them? Um, yes. Did they fix them? Um, no. Who cares? The gist of the information is correct. People are learning about these two sacred animals. The message is getting out. Thats the point. OK, I wrote it up wrong in the initial invitation. My fault, I accept the blame and apologize for my mistake. However, Nagi is an Ambassador. For the Elders Council. Nagi is on the Elders Council. Nagi does work tirelessly to help her people. Nagi is a recognized Elder. Was the mistake noticed? Um, yes. Was the mistake fixed? Um, no. Because no one cares. It is a common mistake, made many times previously and will probably be made again. It is a simple mistake, that really causes no harm. Until of course someone takes and and runs it up a flag pole, turning it into an issue it never was. Notice how no one is chiming in about this? Because no one cares. Has the Elders Council been contacted? Um, yes. Has the Nation been contacted? Um, yes. Has Ginger Brown been contacted? Um, yes. Is this being corrected (which by the way is the issue)? Um, yes. This is a Cherokee issue being handled by the Cherokee. It certainly is not some earth shattering event or news that need be touted and spread worldwide. Nor does it need to be converted into a baseball bat and used to beat me with.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: bls926 on December 15, 2009, 01:38:44 pm
This is the Invitation for the Wopila Ceremony from the Buffalo Messengers website. As you can clearly see it states Nagi White Owl Ambassador, Sovereign Cherokee Nation , Oklahoma .
So if thats a mistake then Buffalo Messengers and whoever put together the invitation are the ones who need to apologize for giving out the wrong information.
Heres the weblink
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/images/invite-3.jpg


P.S. if this weblink suddenly disapears then please email me I have it copied in full and would be gladly to send it.


Then why did you not correct it sooner???  I am sure you have read it over and over and over and saw the mistake..............why did you not correct it sooner.
You took the time to place it on your buffalo messenger website if the information was wrong then why did you not correct it??? Duh!!???
Yes you do have a way of placing trouble in peoples life.
Buffalo Messengers website
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/
look under the buttons for buffalo articles (top row) then click on Post Gazette 11-23-09
I can almost asure everyone that this to will disapear.............Truth is truth


(My bold in the above quotes, as this is what I'm addressing.)

Anyone not familiar with what's going on would think things "disappear" off that website on a regular basis. They don't. For you to say things like this is wrong. As I said last night, you're trying to cast doubt. You have an agenda and it's definitely showing.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 15, 2009, 02:04:18 pm
if I may, allow me to make this abundantly clear. I am the one who is at fault here. I used the wrong nomenclature to associate identity. That is my fault, and I am deeply distraught over that. Never, for one moment, did I or anyone else think that simple error would get so blown out of proportion. One entity provides politically, the other provides physically. They both work hand in glove, and often individuals are incorrectly associated with the other entity. It happens, is known to happen, and is understood. The relationship with each other is tender and fragile. This malicious rumor mongering has the ability to break that relationship. Who then will feed and care for the 15,000 or so they care for now? Using someone as beautiful as Nagi, as giving as Nagi, as humble as Nagi, simply to discredit me is nothing short of disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 15, 2009, 09:25:07 pm
Your very big mistake caused the Cherokee Nation to step in. I have no idea how they found out. But like I have stated you had many chances between the date the article came out till now to correct it on your website and you did not. So its you that has caused this problem not any one else.
The Truth always comes out in the end. I in no way try to put the lady down who came out she is just another victim of a confused mans world. everyone should now question anything the article contains.

Simply stateing that if Micheal Spisak had gotten his information right in the first place then this very big mistake would never had happen.
And Micheal Spisak you will never shame me because you really do not have that power, you really do not.
red-road hawk.........I remeber that well........ :'( ;D
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 16, 2009, 12:54:54 am

The Truth always comes out in the end. I in no way try to put the lady down who came out she is just another victim of a confused mans world. everyone should now question anything the article contains.



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I have never ran away from anything and first of all I have no desire to be around you . Now when you present an Elder instead of an older than I will listen.

that is a statement made by you, Dec. 14, 2009 @ 12:14 am, post #4 on a thread you started "Cherokee Nation official warns of fraudulent groups"

http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=7158

Now there is some truth. It sure looks like you are "putting the lady down"
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: ComesWithFire on December 16, 2009, 10:25:23 pm
I just let others be aware of an article that was published in a newspaper. I did not mention any names. YOU DID. I have never once spoke bad of anyone other than the actions of you Micheal Spsiak hawk good fire or whatever you are calling your self now. BUt it's just like you to lay blame on someone else. Fact is you made the mistake and never once tried to correct it. There is a comment blog on the same page as the story you could have placed something there.
This article that has been out since Nov. the 16th 2009 so you had plenty of time to correct it but you did not ,instead you placed it on your website and promoted it. ( still are)
So what else is in that article that is not the truth. How can anyone now believe anything.
So once again it was/is your actions that have once again caused trouble and pain in someone else's life.
It's strange how this article came to me because this was the first time that I have ever bought that newspaper........Maybe it was meant to be.
For once did you ever think that maybe you should not be where you are??? After all was it not someone else who got the messeage first about the buffalo then before they could get things together you took it upon yourself and ran with it............
Maybe the buffalo are trying to shake you.............for would they not try and stay where they were born............the orginal owners jill and Sonny where good honest hard working people...........not rich by far....... but still they took wonderful care of the animals and they loved doing it.
These Buffalos are trying to shake you off and you do not see it.

maybe you need to just leave then in peace.................let them be .........
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on December 17, 2009, 05:18:00 pm
The questions about the article on Nagi White Owl were asked and answered repeatedly. Several of you need to learn when to let something go.

I hasten to add I see plenty of signs that NWO is widely accepted as an elder by her community. But there is one thing that bothers me, what seems to be a serious error in judgement. She's repeatedly endorsed a dubious character.

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At http://www.alminehealing.com/endorsements.html and http://www.lifeofmiracles.com/endorsements.html and http://www.ancientshamanism.com/component/content/article/109-a-tribute-to-almine-by-grandmother-nagi-ugugunega-whiteowl.html

This beautiful woman approaches life with respect, honor and compassion. Her high energy and obvious knowledge of ancient healing ways are the traits of a true healer.
Grandmother Nagi Whiteowl
Native American Elder
Cherokee and Lakota Nations

-----------------------

And if you look at what Almine is selling online.

"Sacred and Ancient Symbols to Open Access to the Infinite Mother and Father
Sacred and Ancient Symbols to Open Access to the Infinite Mother and Father II
Sacred and Ancient Symbols to Open Access to the Infinite Mother and Father III
Interdimensional Photos of Almine
Personal Development"

Her links and what she promotes:

"Institute of Applied Mysticism
School of Arcana forum
Spiritual Journeys
Almine Websites
Belvaspata Official
School of Arcana
Almine.me
Almine Healing
Ancient Shamanism
Animal Healing
Arubafirina
Ascended Mastery
Ascension Angels
Astrology of Isis
Divine Architect
Earth Wisdom Chronicles
Incorruptible White Magic
Mystical Kingdoms
Way of the Toltec Nagual"

Almine also presents herself as an expert on pipe ceremony and medicine wheels for the Lakota, though I don't see any sign she sells ceremony.



Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on December 17, 2009, 06:37:50 pm
what can I say? Folks would have to contact Nagi to answer these questions. I have been known to have run with some real wack-a-loons in my past. When I realized they were out of their twinkie mind, I hit the bricks. They still come back to haunt me now and then. I dont endorse them or their behavior, but because I knew them I am usually guilty by association. I know Nagi as an honest traditional woman who works tirelessly to provide food and clothing to the Cherokee People. Previous associations I cannot speak of.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on May 12, 2010, 02:48:24 pm
I used to visit the Woodland Zoo many times after the white buffalo was born with my family. We always paided the admission price and went threw the zoo by ourselves. After they closed I was wondering how the buffalos where doing and I had heard that the two buffalos had a calf before they sold and moved from the Woodland Zoo. Well, I got my answer on another forum Woodland Indians http://woodlandindians.org/forums/index.php and I have learned that the calf did not make it (live) And according to Micheal Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire AKA Sunkawitko someone believes ( althought they say they cannot prove it)  that the white buffalo is not the father of the calf that was born to the black/brown female buffalo.
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that young calf didnt make it. he died a few days after birth. although unproven, it is believed the white was not his father
read down to post #496
http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3019&p=20
How can this be, since the Woodland Zoo only had the two (white male) (black/brown female) at the zoo in the same pen? Why would they even make a statement like this? Is he now claming another virgin birth?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on May 16, 2010, 11:48:28 pm
Pennsylvania Department of State 

Cease and Desist Orders
The following is a listing of outstanding cease and desist orders issued against charitable organizations, solicitors and fundraising counsels since 1996. These organizations  cannot legally solicit contributions in Pennsylvania until they register with the bureau or provide the bureau with evidence that they are excluded or exempt from the law.

Organization                                                          Order Dated
Buffalo Messengers, Farmington, PA 15437                                                10/27/2009 

http://www.dos.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/charities/12444/cease_and_desist_orders/571846
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on May 17, 2010, 02:38:20 am
What happen to the money that was raised by Buffalo Messengers to purchased the two buffalos???
Since Buffalo Messengers did not buy then , are they not suppose to give the people their money back?
People donated money towards the purchase of buying the buffalo.  Nothing else. POINT BLANK!
It's a shame that good people donated  $2,000 ++++++  of  their hard earned money and it  went somewhere else instead of what they gave their money for.
So where is the money??? Hawk or Buffalo Messengers   cannot use the money they raised for anything other than to purchased the buffalo? If they did than that is fraud!!!!
If anyone is reading this who donated money to Hawk and Buffalo Messengers TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF THE BUFFALOS you may want to get in contact with Division of Investigations and Division of Audits

 
http://www.dos.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/charities/12444/investigations_file_a_complaint/571857
Within the Bureau of Charitable Organizations is the Division of Investigations and Division of Audits. These divisions were created under the powers granted to the Secretary, who has the authority to investigate violations of the Solicitation of Funds for Charitable Purposes Act, 10 P.S. § 162.1 et seq. 
 
Citizens who have complaints concerning solicitations by charitable organizations, solicitors or fundraising counsels are urged to contact the Division of Investigations/Audits: 
 
   
   
By Phone
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  or   In Writing
 Division of Investigations/Audits
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The Bureau is prohibited from releasing any information regarding any complaints it may have received or any investigations it may be conducting, except as provided by law.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on May 21, 2010, 12:17:26 am
I wonder why they never annouced this guy coming

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NEW ELDERS STATEMENT
greetings Relatives,
Approximately one week ago we were honored to host Chief Golden Eagle of the Yankton Sioux. He visited with us for a few days, spent time with these two Sacred Animals, and has issued a formal statement for all our Relatives. I invite you to read his words:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=436362342&blogId=533588675

Chief Golden Eagle of the Yankton Sioux
http://www.star-knowledge.net/home.html

And right here on NAFPS Forum  in The Looniest Nuage Site Contest
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=350.0

Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on May 22, 2010, 08:01:32 pm
I used to visit the Woodland Zoo many times after the white buffalo was born with my family. We always paided the admission price and went threw the zoo by ourselves. After they closed I was wondering how the buffalos where doing and I had heard that the two buffalos had a calf before they sold and moved from the Woodland Zoo. Well, I got my answer on another forum Woodland Indians http://woodlandindians.org/forums/index.php and I have learned that the calf did not make it (live) And according to Micheal Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire AKA Sunkawitko someone believes ( althought they say they cannot prove it)  that the white buffalo is not the father of the calf that was born to the black/brown female buffalo.
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that young calf didnt make it. he died a few days after birth. although unproven, it is believed the white was not his father
read down to post #496
http://woodlandindians.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=3019&p=20
How can this be, since the Woodland Zoo only had the two (white male) (black/brown female) at the zoo in the same pen? Why would they even make a statement like this? Is he now claming another virgin birth?
I am confused who believes that the white buffalo is not the father of the calf that died???? In the statements that was published on Buffalo Messengers myspace website  it clearly indicates that the white buffalo was indeed the father. It would be nice if Hawk , First Nations Inc or Buffalo Messengers could make this statement clear. Who now believes that the calf born was not fathered by the white buffalo????


http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=436362342&page=2
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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 
 28 days to go...
Greetings Relatives,

Well, 28 days left on the bid for the White and the Black buffalo, both considered Sacred Animals by many held as recognized Spiritual Leaders and Elders from the First Nations People. With the birth of the calf 7/26, this shows the white male is fertile and has no genetic defects.  This is good as it proves he is not an albino and bad as it may raise the bid to something we could never match. There are those out there who would see this as a commodity. The thought process being, with a fertile white buffalo it could be mated with other buffalo and have a herd of white buffalo. A complete and total disregard for the spiritual aspects involved.

As of today, 8/03, our fund raising effort has generated a little over $600.00. Daily maintenance of the website shows 50-100 hits per day. Maybe this is how it should be. What is supposed to happen. I cannot say.

Several options have presented themselves. Which one prevails, again I cannot say. We will know September 2nd. Regardless of what happens, the message will remain. Whether these two are here or not. What has always been most important is the message they bring. Not the messenger. The message that it is time to return again to a spiritual way of life. Honor, integrity, strength of character. Doing what is right, regardless of what is said and done. Compassion, humility. Teaching the children again the measure of success is altruism. Altruism, the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others. Behavior that may be a disadvantage but that benefits others. The central concept in Christianity, Sikhism, Kabbalah, Sufism, even Islam. The central concept of all indigenous spiritual understanding.

28 days to go. We will see.

~hawk
 
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on May 29, 2010, 10:03:21 pm
Is everyone aware that this white buffalo's mother came from a herd that produce another white buffalo about six years before the birth of this one? Were the elders that gave statements made aware of this??
I meant it kinda loses it special spiritual meaning if this white buffalo comes from a herd that is known to produce other white buffalos.
The former owners "Sonny and Jill Herring even made the statement 

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The white buffalo is not an albino, and is the result of a rare recessive gene that both parents must possess.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06344/745017-85.stm

Not so rare if another white buffalo came from the same herd ( People really need to start questoning this)
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The mother and another pregnant female came from a Nebraska herd in which another white buffalo was born about six years ago, Sonny Herring said
 
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/fayette/s_481511.html#

Fayette County zoo gets surprise rare specimen
By Bob Stiles
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, November 27, 2006

As Sonny Herring approached the pasture at his Fayette County zoo, he wondered what the white object was nestled in the grass.

"I thought something else got in the exhibit," Herring said Friday.

It did, but not what Herring was expecting. In the grass was a newborn white buffalo.

"I thought, 'What the heck, we got a white buffalo.' I think the odds are something like one in 10 million," Herring said.

His wife, Jill Herring, said she also was astounded by the birth Nov. 12 at the Woodland Zoo near Farmington. She saw the male calf shortly after its birth.

"It's pretty neat," she said. "To have an all-white one is extremely rare. No one I know who raises buffaloes has had one. We're thrilled, of course."

White buffaloes hold a place of reverence among American Indians, especially the Cheyenne, Sioux and other nomadic tribes of the Northern Plains.

According to a version of a legend, a white buffalo, disguised as a woman wearing white hides, appeared to two men.

One man treated her with dignity; the other didn't. She turned the disrespectful man into a pile of bones and gave the respectful one a pipe and taught his people rituals and music. She transformed into a female white buffalo calf and promised to return again.

The birth of a white male buffalo means men need to take responsibility for their families and the future of the tribe, according to an Associated Press story about the birth of a white buffalo earlier this decade.

No one at the National Bison Association could be reached for comment.

The Web site Wikipedia lists at least five births of white buffaloes nationwide since 1995. One farm in Wisconsin welcomed its third white buffalo, born earlier this year.

Jill Herring, who has operated the 180-animal zoo with her husband for 11 years, said the calf spends most of its time with its mother.

"It is with mom, and that is where it will stay," she said.

In addition to the color, the birth is unusual because of when it happened, Sonny Herring said. Normally, buffalo are born in March or April, he explained.

The mother and another pregnant female came from a Nebraska herd in which another white buffalo was born about six years ago, Sonny Herring said.
People who visit the zoo and see the white calf usually have the same question, Sonny Herring related, "'What's that?'"

"They don't expect a buffalo to be white."

Sonny Herring said the buffalo could help the zoo attract more visitors.
"We hope so," he said.
 
At this point, the calf doesn't have a name.

"We're searching for an Indian-type name for it, and we haven't come up with the right one yet," Jill Herring said.

But she does know what's in the calf's future.

"He will stay, definitely, because of what he is. There won't be a chance of him leaving," Jill Herring said.

Her husband agreed.

"It will stay here for as long as it wants," he said.


Bob Stiles can be reached at bstiles@tribweb.com or 724-836-6622.

Images and text copyright © 2010 by Trib Total Media, Inc.
Reproduction or reuse prohibited without written consent.
 


Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on August 26, 2010, 12:34:42 am
Just wondering if anyone knows anything about Reverend Susan W. Ferraro. Seems she is holding a Womans Prayer Circle every Sunday at Nemacolin Woodlands Prayer Lodge site at Millioke Meadows in Farmington PA. Just wondering why a Reverend would be holding these Circles and using lakota words at all? Seems kinda confusing.


http://www.buffalomessengers.org/Women_s_Prayer_Circle.html

Women's Prayer Circle

Sisters,
As we witness the signs of fulfillment of prophecy occurring around the world we are humbly aware that our Creator is crying out to the People of all nations to awaken from our spiritual slumber, come together with all of our relations united in prayer and to intercede for the restoration of healing, peace,  harmony and respect for all life that is sustained by Creator’s gift of the Sacred  Mother Earth. The Creator’s task for this generation, global healing through World Peace and Prayer is in need of immediate attention and completion. As Mother Earth shakes, her mountains erupt and seas rise, her children of the Four Sacred Directions remain distracted by the busyness of greed based living. The Sacred White and Black Buffalo given to the People by Creator in fulfillment of ancient prophecy are a manifestation of a sign of both warning and deliverance. Through them the Creator is calling to the women of all races, all nations, all ages and all faiths to come together and join in prayer in this crucial season [/c in history. In honor of Traditional Indigenous principles for living, women were and are considered to be the backbone of the societal structure .Historically, we prayed, joined in sacred ceremony, lamenting to the very heart of Creator for pity and compassion to be extended to all life that we held near to our hearts. It is said that when the women  weakened and fall, society then falls.


It is the choice of each woman to take action and fulfill this sacred task at hand or bear the pain of the consequences of global destruction of our Sacred Mother Earth  .When she is sick, we are sick. When she dies, we die. The time to act is now. Our prayer is the power of unity in action. Through prayer we will begin to mobilize the power of the sacred energy of forgiveness and healing needed to bring the balance and harmony that our Sacred Mother Earth requires to survive for the next Seven Generations to come.







The Buffalo Messenger Family cordially invites you to participate in a women’s prayer circle to honor our Creator’s instructions for women of all faith traditions to join in prayer with all of our relations and begin to activate the energy of the sacred feminine with the pure intention for the People of all Nations to return to a spiritual path of living. Please make the time to make a difference . All life is a Sacred gift from Creator. Let us leave our children and all of our relations with the gift of a better world to live in. Mitakuye Oyasin.
 
Where: Nemacolin Woodlands Prayer Lodge site at Millioke Meadows
 
When : Every Sunday
 
Time:    1 to 2:30pm


Come with a clean heart, grateful mind, humble spirit and with the faith of a child.
 
Please call with any questions :Reverend Susan W. Ferraro 412-973-6300.

 
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on August 27, 2010, 02:33:47 am
Just found out that Rev. Susan Ferraro is Micheal Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire's non-native girlfriend. Still a little confused on why a white woman who is a Reverend  be in charge of these prayer circles that are centered around Native American Spirituality. 
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on August 30, 2010, 02:30:51 pm
This thread was merged with the older one since it seemed like a ploy for attention.

Goodfire/Spisak sent a message, inviting anyone with questions or concerns to meet with him or go to their center. "Come see for yourselves."
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on October 11, 2010, 06:12:50 pm
Perfect example of a NEW AGE prayer circle.
http://www.buffalomessengers.org/Women_s_Prayer_Circle.html

heres another in PA  , scoll down the page.
Funny how close these two look alike.
 http://www.4qf.org/_Lodge/index.htm

I can just see the people all holding hands and singing Kum ba yah,
to funny what a joke.
Funny how it's held every sunday up in Farmington PA. just like a church service.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 11, 2010, 08:15:45 pm
oh no! women are getting together to pray! alert the media! and she said Mitakuye Oyasin. eeewwwww..............aaaahhhhhhhhhhh.......

someone plug the hole these idiots crawl out of!
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on October 11, 2010, 10:10:55 pm
oh no! women are getting together to pray! alert the media! and she said Mitakuye Oyasin. eeewwwww..............aaaahhhhhhhhhhh.......

someone plug the hole these idiots crawl out of!

And I can bet she adds Amen to that. just by reading her words smells like New Age Crap.
I have one question. If this Rev, Susan is a preacher in the white religion is she not being blashimous to her own culture? After all does the bible not state that " Thou shall have  no other God than me" ( something like that)
Smells like new age crap . Peace and love and fluff bunnies and all
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on October 12, 2010, 01:37:07 pm
Both of you need to have something to say other than insults. Any more childishness gets deleted.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on October 12, 2010, 02:51:21 pm
Both of you need to have something to say other than insults. Any more childishness gets deleted.

With all due respect, I can and do understand the position you are in. I commiserate with the overwhelming responsibility of doing what you do. Do not, however, expect me to sit idly by while idiots of this magnitude attempt to convince the masses I am what they so blatantly appear to be. I am absolutely sick to death of this crap and the misinformed cretins who continue to perpetuate it. Every time, this goes back to the same two or three people. Ex-girlfriends with an axe to grind making self serving remarks. An ex, making disparaging remarks...imagine that. By all means, please delete the continued personal attacks. When proof is offered as to these malicious allegations, I am more than willing to address it accordingly. Otherwise, it is simply gossip and does not belong here, or anywhere else.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Leslie Noel on October 19, 2010, 03:56:04 am
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Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Superdog on October 19, 2010, 07:46:11 pm
My personal take on this whole thing.  Let 'em go.

I'm not from a tribe that has anything to do with buffaloes so my opinion is strictly an outsider's opinion, but if these are sacred animals, then let them be free.  To me it's obvious the idea of "taking care" of something so powerful with human hands is a mistake and the negativity surrounding the whole situation...all the fighting, name calling, accusations about who said what to who, who has rights etc etc etc....is evidence of it.

Just my thoughts, back to my popcorn.

Superdog
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Smart Mule on October 19, 2010, 07:53:30 pm
I agree with you to a certain extent Superdog.  The only problem is, these animal, spiritually significant or not, would likely not survive if they were released.  They've depended on human interaction since they were calves.  I don't like they idea that they are on exhibit...that leaves me with a very yucky feeling.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: goozih on October 19, 2010, 08:38:09 pm
This is getting way too old, Please leave the buffalo out of this! Do I dare ask what is the real story behind Micheal, Ramona, Corine, Comes with fire? I honestly think this is a waste of energy! All I know is some very special people see the buffalo as a sign of the sacred so I take notice. I think the people on this site are doing a very important service in exposing the desecration of sacred things but this seems ridiculous. Please  leave the buffalo in peace.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Superdog on October 19, 2010, 08:49:53 pm
I agree with you to a certain extent Superdog.  The only problem is, these animal, spiritually significant or not, would likely not survive if they were released.  They've depended on human interaction since they were calves.  I don't like they idea that they are on exhibit...that leaves me with a very yucky feeling.

To me (and still this is purely an outsider's opinion), this is all the more reason to let 'em go and the longer they are kept captive the less living as buffaloes they will do.

But I'm just on the outside looking in, I just know that if I were in the "caretakers" shoes I wouldn't have wanted the responsibility of trying to humanize a sacred spirit or that I would even have the right to "keep" them unless they chose to stay with me. 

I'm sure my solution sounds impractical...and it probably is....but sometimes what's right isn't always the easiest choice.  Only the outcome will serve to give us a yardstick to judge the actions of those involved by and in this case....nothing looks good for all involved, no matter whose side you're on.  But I also know I'm probably not right either...I'm only human after all.   ;)

Superdog
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on November 10, 2010, 04:08:58 pm
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Fayette birthday party plans for white buffalo escalate dispute

By Richard Robbins
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, November 8, 2010


When someone throws a birthday party for a sacred white buffalo, no one expects a war of words.

But a ceremony planned for Friday in Fayette County marking the fourth birthday of Lightning, a rare white buffalo venerated by the Native American community, has brought to a head a dispute between its Pennsylvania keepers and an ancient Lakota Indian warrior society based in South Dakota.Mike Spisak of Farmington, who oversees the animal's care, is planning a ceremony Friday starting at 11 a.m. to mark Lightning's birthday.

"If people want to bring drums, they should bring drums; if they want to dance, they can dance; if they want to bring food, they can bring food," Spisak said. The ceremony will be "free-form" and will include a traditional Native American "sweat lodge" around sundown, he said.

Duane Martin Sr. of North Dakota, Strongheart Warrior Society headman, says he wasn't invited to the party.

Martin claims he was misled when he was in Fayette County a year ago for a thank-you ceremony for the 2,000-pound buffalo, who lives alongside a 3-year-old black buffalo, called Thunder, on the Nemacolin Woodlands Resort property in Farmington.

"You don't capitalize on animals that come here, naturally," said Martin, who chastised Spisak and Mark "Kingfish" Wassler of Uniontown, president of the nonprofit First Nations, Inc., for "raising money off the buffalo."

Spisak, who uses the Native American name Hawk Goodfire, said that's "not true."

"There are a lot of people who would like to exploit what is happening here," said Spisak, who is part Native American. "I brought Duane Martin Sr. here to see what was going on. He decided he was going to take over."

The Strongheart Warrior Society, which once counted among its members Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull, said in a press release last November that it would "oversee protection for the sacred white and black buffalos."

At the time, Martin commended Spisak and Wassler for watching over "the buffalo and the traditional protocols."

"They have been with the buffalo from the beginning, and can help to ensure fairness and balance are practiced going into the future," Martin said of Wassler and Spisak.

There is no longer peace between the factions.

In a phone interview, Martin denounced Spisak.

"We are the Indians," Martin said. "That is how white America treats the Indian, by lying to him."

Spisak said Martin "seems to think I answer to him. I will be damned if I will listen to Duane Martin."

Spisak said he and Wassler are waiting for word about federal 501-c3 tax-exempt status for First Nation. Their goal, he said, was to raise $100,000 to place traditional Indian buildings on the 50 acres of land given to them by Joe Hardy bordering the Mystic Rock golf course, about half a mile off Route 40. Wassler was not avalilable for comment.

"Nobody is raising funds off the buffalo," Spisak said. "Nobody."

Spisak, who weaves a fantastic tale of visions he said he received relating to the animals, said his job was to "make sure the buffalo is not exploited. If I'm exploiting them, I'm doing a very poor job."

White buffalo are exalted in the Indian culture. Spisak said he believes Lightning and Thunder, both of whom were born at the now-closed Woodlands Zoo in Farmington, were sent to help pacify and heal the world. He said he prays with the animals daily.

Martin, upset to learn that he wasn't invited, said he would attempt to travel to Farmington for the ceremonies.
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/fayette/s_708230.html
For those who do not know who Duane Martin he is
Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.), headsman of Cante Tenza Okolakiceye
Strongheart Warrior Society of Lakota Nation
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on November 11, 2010, 07:51:39 pm
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Spisak said Martin "seems to think I answer to him. I will be damned if I will listen to Duane Martin."
How very disrespectful and arrogant of Micheal Spisak to answer like that. Offending a headman of the  Strongheart Warrior Society in public just shows many what Micheal Spisak is all about, himself.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: G2U on November 12, 2010, 07:01:13 pm
Cante Tenza Statement on Mike Spisak aka "Hawk Good Fire", First Nations, Inc. and Protection of Sacred Buffalo
by Lakota Oyate on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 3:46pm
.Cante Tenza Okolakiciye - Strong Heart Warrior Society?
Free & Independent Lakota Nation?
Box 512, Hill City, South Dakota 57745? | ?605-454-0449 or 605-517-1547?
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Cante Tenza Okolakiciye: Traditional Strong Heart Warrior Society of the Lakota Nation Statement Concerning Mike Spisak aka “Hawk Good Fire”, First Nations, Inc. and Protection of the Sacred Buffalo in Pennsylvania
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November 10, 2010
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Cante Tenza Okolakiciye also known as the Strong Heart Warrior Society of the Lakota Nation is an ancient Lakota warrior society that honors Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull among its members. Based on Pine Ridge Reservation, Cante Tenza, works tirelessly to protect the Lakota People, enforce and restore treaty rights, civil rights, and sovereignty of Native people, and protect Native culture across Turtle Island.
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In November 2009, Cante Tenza was invited to Nemacolin Resort in Farmington, Pennsylvania and asked by Mike Spisak aka “Hawk Good Fire” to lend their endorsement and protection for a white buffalo and black buffalo sacred to the Lakota People that are being housed there in a 40 acre enclosure.
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Unfortunately, just a year later, Cante Tenza is now alarmed by the violation of traditional protocols and agreements made concerning the two sacred buffalo, use of the Lakota Inipi or sweat lodge ceremony that has been practiced on site, as well as public statements and actions of Mike Spisak, who claims to be the buffalo’s overseer.
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Cante Tenza’s concerns are three-fold.
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1.? We are concerned that traditional protocols (ways of doing things) are not being observed regarding the raising of money in the name of the two sacred buffalo and also regarding participation in the Lakota Inipi (sweat lodge) ceremony.? Mr. Spisak and others involved with the buffalo such as Mark "Kingfish" Wassler agreed to honor these protocols as explained by Lakota Cante Tenza and Tokala warrior society representatives on their visit to Nemacolin in November 2009.
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2. ?We are alarmed that a non-profit organization is being created under the name First Nations Inc., and this organization has appealed for 501(c)3 United States tax status to raise money in the name of, or that will capitalize on, the existence of the sacred buffalo and displays of Native culture located next to the buffalo enclosure. ?Such activities are inappropriate for association with the sacred animals and appear to contradict the organization’s own stated vision, “sharing of Indigenous principles, traditions and wisdom rooted in the Original instructions given to all Nations.”
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While often difficult for non-Natives to understand, activities that raise money in the name of, or capitalize from, sacred and traditional culture is considered exploitation by Native people.
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And if the stated vision of First Nations is to be taken seriously, then why are they already ignoring the “principals, traditions, and wisdom” of the Lakota People that has been explained by the traditional Lakota warrior society known as Cante Tenza?
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We offer the idea there are ways to create an organization that honors traditional ways of doing things, and without U.S. Government oversight.? This seems to be a gross lack of imagination on First Nations, Inc. part that has alarmed many in Indian Country and is being watched by traditional Lakota Grandmothers on Pine Ridge.
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3.? We are saddened to see the statements of Mike Spisak concerning Cante Tenza and Cante Tenza Headsman Duane Martin Sr. (Canupa Gluha Mani).
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In a November 8, a Pittsburgh Tribune Review article by Richard Robbins entitled Fayette birthday party plans for white buffalo escalate dispute, Mr. Spisak was quoted as saying,
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“That’s not true” regarding the raising of money in the name of the sacred buffalo.? Also, "Nobody is raising funds off the buffalo," Spisak said. "Nobody."
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The actions of Mr. Spisak and others involved with the buffalo indicate otherwise.
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In June of 2010, Cante Tenza contacted Mr. Spisak to express concern over raising money from a book written about the sacred buffalo and containing interviews with Native Elders entitled “Message of the Sacred Buffalo” which is sold for $14.95 on multiple websites including http://www.sacredbuffalos.com/ and https://www.createspace.com/3456595. The book is authored by Marci Lynn McGuinness with First Nations, Inc. We attempted to share our concerns about this book but they were actively rebuffed.
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In October 2010, Cante Tenza became aware of the development of the First Nations corporation and their desire for U.S. non-profit tax status in order to raise $100,000 for a so-called “Indian Village” located immediately adjacent to the buffalo enclosure.?
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Cante Tenza communicated to Mark Wassler, President of First Nations, Inc. (http://www.buffalomessengers.org/Board_Members.htm
l) ?how these actions were not consistent with care for the sacred buffalo and violated the original agreements made with Cante Tenza.? Cante Tenza never agreed that a nonprofit corporation was a good idea, and in fact, our concerns went unheard and phone calls now remain unanswered or unreturned.
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These two incidents also aggravate the existing concern that the buffalo (and future Indian village) are being used as a tourist attraction and financial draw for the multi-million dollar Nemacolin Resort. Nemacolin currently advertises a wild animal zoo, shooting range, and other “adventure” activities for its guests. The white buffalo is also mentioned on the Nemacolin website under “Wildlife Habitats” (http://www.nemacolin.com/activities/wildlife).
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The Lakota People offered a year ago to provide hay and other resources needed by the buffalo for their well-being.? Money does not need to be raised by a corporation to take care of these sacred animals.
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Mr. Spisak also said, “I brought Duane Martin Sr. here to see what was going on. He decided he was going to take over.”?
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Cante Tenza was invited to Nemacolin to make sure that traditional protocols were being observed in the care and treatment of the buffalo.? At the same time, there were concerns expressed by multiple activists in Indian Country about inappropriate behavior in the Inipi – or Lakota sweat lodge led by Mr. Spisak – a non-Lakota.
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In our November 16, 2009 press release sent from Nemacolin, Cante Tenza explained in clear detail the reasons for our participation:?
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On Monday November 16th, Cante Tenza the Strong Heart Warrior Society of the Lakota Nation, announced the warrior society will oversee protection for the sacred white and black buffalos living at the Nemacolin Resort near Farmington, Pennsylvania.
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Cante Tenza Okolakiciye...and the Tokala Okolakiciye Kit Fox Warrior Society sent representatives to the Saturday Wopila (thank you) ceremony to protect the ceremony and its participants and to ensure traditional protocols are being followed related to the Inipi (Lakota sweat lodge) ceremony and other sacred aspects regarding the care of the buffalos and the donated land for their sanctuary…
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…We want to bring our Lakota Elders to visit these sacred beings in the months to come. Ensuring traditional protocols are being followed will help to support the visits from our Elders and Elders of other Indigenous nations.
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At the time, our announcement was met with some criticism from activist organizations in “Indian Country” because of concerns about Mike Spisak.? In essence, Cante Tenza shielded Mr. Spisak from attacks and controversy so he could better understand traditional ways of doing things and reconsider if his behavior was consistent with traditional protocols.? For example, he was asked to stop running sweat lodge ceremony because he is not Lakota and does not understand the Lakota language and lifeway.
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Cante Tenza clearly communicated to Mike Spisak and Mark Wassler the protocols involved for Cante Tenza support.?? Mr. Spisak was eager for endorsement from Cante Tenza to legitimize his involvement with the buffalo and when this support was offered, he gladly accepted. ??
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As a sign of his word, Mike Spisak prominently displayed the Cante Tenza warrior symbol on the buffalomessengers.org webpage (http://www.buffalomessengers.org/cante_tenza.html) along with our November 16, 2009 press release.? As of November 9, 2010, the symbol and press release were still on the website.
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Spisak said Martin "seems to think I answer to him. I will be damned if I will listen to Duane Martin."
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Mr. Spisak did in fact agree to “answer” to Duane Martin Sr. by his acceptance of Cante Tenza endorsement and support.? Duane is Headsman of Cante Tenza and has also communicated the interests and concerns of the traditional Lakota Grandmothers he is responsible to on Pine Ridge.? For Mr. Spisak to now claim he is somehow unaccountable to Cante Tenza and the Lakota people seems to be a contradiction.
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In consideration of the previous information, Cante Tenza must honor its responsibility to the sacred buffalo, and take action as needed to bring balance back to this situation and correct the violation of agreements that has been undertaken by Mike Spisak and those of First Nations, Inc.? We hope that those involved reconsider their plans and return to honoring traditional protocols that have been shared by elders and knowledge keepers to ensure fairness and balance now, and for future generations who may experience these sacred animals.
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For additional questions or support please contact Cante Tenza Headsman Duane Martin Sr. at 605-454-0440 or 605-517-1547.?? We can be found on Facebook as “Lakota Oyate”.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on January 24, 2011, 07:09:44 pm
Cante Tenza Statement on Mike Spisak aka "Hawk Good Fire", First Nations, Inc. and Protection of Sacred Buffalo
by Lakota Oyate on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 3:46pm
.Cante Tenza Okolakiciye - Strong Heart Warrior Society?
Free & Independent Lakota Nation?
Box 512, Hill City, South Dakota 57745? | ?605-454-0449 or 605-517-1547?


a white guy, posing as a woman, representing a made up organization, speaking for the entire Lakota-Dakota-Nakota People. On what planet?
Here is the author of the above statement:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2278.0

This is used as an attempt to discredit me? Really? Really? Pathetic. What gives anyone the right to step up and claim authority? Because of the buffalo? Consider this:

The White & Black Buffalo...should this be all Lakota?
The White Deer...should this be all Cherokee?
Trees dying from the top down...should this be all Haudenosaunee?
Animals turning white...should this be all Algonquin?
Raven bringing light to the world...should this be all Athabascan?
The Blue Star...should this be all Hopi?

These things, and much, much more is happening here daily. People being healed, mentally, physically, emotionally. No one People, Race, or Nation. This is for all our Relatives, regardless. Your choice. Continue to believe the lies, gossip and rumors because of ego and arrogance, or believe what is right in front of your eyes.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on January 25, 2011, 02:17:11 pm
Micheal Spisak AKA Micheal Thunderhawk AKA Hawk Goodfire AKA CrazyDog  or whatever you are calling yourself now ( BIG RED FLAGS WAVING ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH ALL THEM ALIAS)
You had no problem with them when they came out in Nov 2009 and gave their support to you. The fact is the statement was posted  all over the internet including this forum ( which was posted by another member)
  Now that Duane Martin Sr, Headsman of Cante Tenza has had the time to really get to know what you are all about he publicly denounced you and does not support what you are doing or what you really are all about.
" The trickster preys on guilty confused people who don’t know who they really are, but he is powerless against people who have to courage to acknowledge and confront their shadows."
Quote from "How to Recognize Nuage Tricksters:How to Make Them Reveal Their Tricks"
I strongly urge people to read this article
http://nuagetricksters.bravehost.com/

Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: Ramona1 on January 25, 2011, 02:51:59 pm
Here is the statement that was posted on Buffalo Messengers Blog. Its still on their site which is very misleading to people who read it thinking the Cante Tenza Okolakiceye
Strongheart Warrior Society  still support Buffalo Messengers.
More tricks?
http://buffalomessengers.blogspot.com/2009/11/lakota-warriors-establish-protection.html
Monday, November 16, 2009
LAKOTA WARRIORS ESTABLISH PROTECTION FOR PENNSYLVANIA WHITE BUFFALO
Cante Tenza Okolakiceye
Strongheart Warrior Society of Lakota Nation

MEDIA RELEASE

For Immediate Release: Monday, November 16, 2009

Contact: Duane Martin Sr, Headsman, Cante Tenza, 605-517-1547

LAKOTA WARRIORS ESTABLISH PROTECTION FOR PENNSYLVANIA WHITE BUFFALO
Announcement Follows Traditional Native Ceremony at Nemacolin Sanctuary

Farmington, Pennsylvania - On Monday November 16th, Cante Tenza the Strongheart Warrior Society of the Lakota Nation, announced the warrior society will oversee protection for the sacred white and black buffalos living at the Nemacolin Resort near Farmington, Pennsylvania.

Cante Tenza Okolakiceye, which has included famous Lakota warriors such as Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull and No Ears, and the Tokala Okolakiceye Kit Fox Warrior Society sent representatives to the Saturday Wopila (thank you) ceremony to protect the ceremony and its participants and to ensure traditional protocols are being followed related to the Inipi (Lakota sweat lodge) ceremony and other sacred aspects regarding the care of the buffalos and the donated land for their sanctuary.

"We are honored to come here with direction from the Grandmothers to ensure balance and traditional protocol is followed related to the recognition of the sacred white and black buffalos," said Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.), headsman of Cante Tenza. "These beings are sacred to our people and their colors of white and black show us that we must all return to balance through the renaissance of traditional language and lifeway."

Cante Tenza will ensure the 50 acre buffalo sanctuary which is free and open to all people continues to be welcoming to Native people who would be concerned traditional ways are being honored on site.

"We have welcomed Hawk Goodfire (Holikachuk,Shawnee) and Mark "Kingfish" Wassler (Shawnee) of Buffalo Messengers into Cante Tenza to watch over the buffalo and traditional protocols," explained Canupa Gluha Mani. "They have been with the buffalo from the beginning and can help to ensure fairness and balance are practiced going into the future."

Representing the Tokala Okolakiceye was Louis Janis, who along with Martin are both Tetuan Oglalla Judiciary Council members.

Elders of numerous Indigenous nations have been coming to honor the white buffalo since its birth in November 2006. Both the white and black buffalo were transferred to Nemacolin in mid October of this year leading to Saturday's ceremony that included visitors from the Lakota, Shawnee, Oneida, Mohawk, Cherokee and Crow nations. Strongheart's announcement adds another level of significance to this historic event.

Canupa Gluha Mani said, "We want to bring our Lakota Elders to visit these sacred beings in the months to come. Ensuring traditional protocols are being followed will help to support the visits from our Elders and Elders of other Indigenous nations."

More information about the buffalo can be found at http://www.buffalomessengers.org/ on Myspace at http://www.myspace.com/buffalomessengers and on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/hawkgoodfire
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: educatedindian on April 06, 2011, 01:06:02 pm
Susan Ferraro emailed me and said she is no longer associated with Spisak or Buffalo Messengers in any way, shape, or form, and does not endorse or work with them as of January 2011. The BM site still has her name listed as one of their reverends. She describes what she did as running an interfaith service and prayer circle, but as she puts it, wants some distance between her and Spisak to regain her credibility.

I've asked her to repost her full statement.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire & Rev Susan Ferraro
Post by: hawkgoodfire on April 06, 2011, 09:46:04 pm
"Susan Ferraro emailed me and said she is no longer associated with Spisak or Buffalo Messengers in any way, shape, or form, and does not endorse or work with them as of January 2011. The BM site still has her name listed as one of their reverends. She describes what she did as running an interfaith service and prayer circle, but as she puts it, wants some distance between her and Spisak to regain her credibility."

There are not now, never have been or ever will be "reverends" with First Nations Inc. Buffalo Messengers. Ferraro was here, Ferraro is a Reverend, however, this is a non christian, non organized religion organization. An interfaith prayer service was attempted, but failed. Your statement makes it appear we employ or provide Reverends. We do not. No ordained leader of any organized religion will ever be permitted to take control of these two Sacred Animals and the message they bring to All of our Relatives as long as I remain. This is Native and will remain Native.

Ex girlfriends. They will be the death of me yet. Maybe I should go gay? Good god......
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: educatedindian on April 06, 2011, 10:04:47 pm

There are not now, never have been or ever will be "reverends" with First Nations Inc. Buffalo Messengers. Ferraro was here, Ferraro is a Reverend, however, this is a non christian, non organized religion organization. An interfaith prayer service was attempted, but failed. Your statement makes it appear we employ or provide Reverends. We do not. No ordained leader of any organized religion will ever be permitted to take control of these two Sacred Animals and the message they bring to All of our Relatives as long as I remain. This is Native and will remain Native.

Pretty easy to see how others could think otherwise.

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The Buffalo Messenger Family cordially invites you to participate in a women’s prayer circle to honor our Creator’s instructions for women of all faith traditions to join in prayer with all of our relations and begin to activate the energy of the sacred feminine with the pure intention for the People of all Nations to return to a spiritual path of living. Please make the time to make a difference . All life is a Sacred gift from Creator. Let us leave our children and all of our relations with the gift of a better world to live in. Mitakuye Oyasin.
Where: Nemacolin Woodlands Prayer Lodge site at Millioke Meadows
When : Every Sunday
Time:    1 to 2:30pm
Come with a clean heart, grateful mind, humble spirit and with the faith of a child.
Please call with any questions :Reverend Susan W. Ferraro 412-973-6300.

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That apparently has been up on your site for months if not years. I'm guessing you'll be taking it down soon since Ferraro has publicly stated her desire to no longer be associated. Her last email to me said (in very flowery language) she will not go into the details why. Will you say why, or do you choose not to?
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: hawkgoodfire on April 06, 2011, 10:30:02 pm
Pretty easy to see how others could think otherwise.

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The Buffalo Messenger Family cordially invites you to participate in a women’s prayer circle to honor our Creator’s instructions for women of all faith traditions to join in prayer with all of our relations and begin to activate the energy of the sacred feminine with the pure intention for the People of all Nations to return to a spiritual path of living. Please make the time to make a difference . All life is a Sacred gift from Creator. Let us leave our children and all of our relations with the gift of a better world to live in. Mitakuye Oyasin.
Where: Nemacolin Woodlands Prayer Lodge site at Millioke Meadows
When : Every Sunday
Time:    1 to 2:30pm
Come with a clean heart, grateful mind, humble spirit and with the faith of a child.
Please call with any questions :Reverend Susan W. Ferraro 412-973-6300.

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That apparently has been up on your site for months if not years. I'm guessing you'll be taking it down soon since Ferraro has publicly stated her desire to no longer be associated. Her last email to me said (in very flowery language) she will not go into the details why. Will you say why, or do you choose not to?

It isnt difficult to see who wrote that. I'll give you a hint...it wasnt me. Flowery....that was polite! It was up for a few months, and was removed immediately upon her departure. As always, I will continue to take the high road, until I am pulled back into the mud and the blood, where I will fight back. Suffice to say an attempt was made and that attempt failed. A union of spiritual understanding and organized understanding could benefit all in immeasurable ways. Not the first to try, not the first to fail. Hopefully, her involvement ends here. She is no longer involved in any aspect of First Nations Inc., and has effectively burned that bridge. That of course will be up to her and her future behavior.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: hawkgoodfire on April 08, 2011, 08:20:23 pm
You have a knack for making any thread you comment on all about you. We didn't try to make this thread so, you did. You brought up topics publicly most people realize they'd have been better off asking us by IM.

The only source I have for saying Ferraro is involved with Smith is you. She won't comment. So no correction is needed.

And yes, your legal name is Spisak, so we'll call you by that. We have no idea of the circumstances of your alleged Indian name other than your account. None of us here are part of the group that calls you Goodfire, so why should we? For that matter why be reluctant to have your father's name?

excuse me, I beg to differ. I didnt make the thread about me, you wrote it, I didnt. You asked a question and received an answer. You wrote the thread it would appear, with the specific intention of providing information about a known predator.

Yes, your source on Ferraro is me. However, if you intended to disregard my answers, why did you ask in the first place? The circumstances of my "alleged Indian name"?  I dont need your permission and certainly dont need your approval.

 It has been shown, repetitively, I am real, I don’t sell ceremony, I don’t abuse anyone. [Libel, defamation, threats] You have been told, and shown, I am not a fraud, an exploiter, or thief of culture. Yet, you insist on trying to come after me. [More threats]

[This post and the four that follow were moved from the thread on David Smith, when Mr. Spisak insisted on hijacking it to, yet again, make it all about him and launch a series of unbalanced blanket accusations and outright defamation.]
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: Ingeborg on April 08, 2011, 09:29:33 pm
You got a ton of idiots who may pull the love & light bullshit when you go after them, but believe me I aint one of them. Get off my ass, before I climb into yours. You have been told, and shown, I am not a fraud, an exploiter, or thief of culture. Yet, you insist on trying to come after me. Back the fuck off me asshole. Is that clear enough for you?

From what I've seen, our 'usual suspects' only very rarely give us love&light BS, Mr Spisak. As a matter of fact, many of them will seek refuge to four-letter words and unsavoury suggestions. Errrm, IIRC, most of those who do will start giving us a crash course in bad language after they were moved to the fraud section.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: hawkgoodfire on April 08, 2011, 09:57:59 pm
[String of childish insults] Do you think you can get away with attacking anyone at anytime and there be no consequences? What you do for some of the Relatives is commendable. Trash Like Crowther & Medicine Eagle. But when you come after legitimate people, your not helping the Relatives, your hurting them. And when we finally get pissed of at your rumors, gossip, innuendo and lies and lash out you actually attempt to use that as proof we are fraudulent. [More childishness] You dont know me. Some of you do and know this is bullshit. [False accusations and outright libel] [Threats] I will respond. And you can flat damn guarantee it wont be by holding your hands and asking you to politely leave me alone. We got a saying where I come from from. Step up or step off. [More childishness, aimed at both nafps and his critics indisrciminately] You know why you havent been successful? Because there isnt anything to "expose". But no, that aint good enough. [More blanket accusations] And when I snap oh well, there ya go, see we told you. You could serve a purpose, and provide a meaningful service. This aint it. You want to know me? My door is open. 15437 is the zip code. This is a tiny little place, doesnt even have a stop sign. [Number deleted. We don't post personal phone #s.] my cell. Been plastered across the net for years now. I got nothing to hide. [More indiscriminate personal attacks] You have no clue what I have done in service to the People, for the People. What I continue to do, quietly. I need no attention, no accolades for what I do. But you will not denigrate me and make deprecating statements based on nothing more than rumors and gossip. There are consequences. And not the romanticized Hollywood consequences. There are more indigenous ways of handling these things. There are those like Smith and other child rapists, abusers of women, sellouts and predators you should be spending your time on exposing. There are those who live the right way, do things the right way. Elders have been spoken to. My actions speak for me. We were a warrior people, and we responded to threats and dishonor in an extremely decisive way. We didnt get together and have a prayer circle with a talking stick when someone started acting like a dick, then approach them with tobacco and politely ask them to be nice. Our response was to stomp a hole in the asshole who so richly deserved it. Thats traditional. Thats native. Thats indigenous.  
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: educatedindian on April 09, 2011, 03:31:21 am
Once again, proving to everyone you are your own worst enemy. This forum has given you ample space to defend yourself, often dealing with those who criticize you when they get out of bounds as well. Your response has constantly been to attack those who have helped you and even been willing to listen.

I'm convinced more than ever both sides on this topic are overgrown children who lack the maturity to take care of a goldfish, much less have any say over ceremony. And that's precisely why this has stayed under Research for so long, because both of you continually muddy the issues.

You, Mr. Spisak, seem to think taking care of buffalo has given you a license to be a giant asshole. It hasn't. If you ever decide to grow up, come on back. Until then, you can only blame yourself for what has happened. If you'd ever acted like someone older than a ten year old picking a fight on the playground, maybe you wouldn't be in this mess of your own making.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: Honestinjun on January 16, 2012, 05:28:44 pm
 
 

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I would like to take the time to thank the host for removing some of the posts by Mr. Spisak re: Mr. David Smith's prior convictions. I posted the above information from the Megan's List website in PA, as Mr. Spisak was in direct violation of PA state law when he posted Mr. Smith's information on this site. While I respect the use of this site to bring to light fraudulent activities, as I am well aware of many myself, I also need to point out that Mr. Smith is serving his time, and should not be subject to a man's rantings over a failed personal relationship. While the article that was posted in this thread re: the events that led up to his conviction may be relevant to this site, I would like to request that all other information about David "Two Wolves" Smith be stricken from this site, to allow for personal privacy. I very much appreciate your support.

A note to the Administrator: When entering information under the search engine Google, the thread is pulled up with all of the information the Mr. Spisak pasted on here from the Megan's list site. If there is a way to correct this, it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: Honestinjun on January 17, 2012, 03:22:20 am
So, there you go. We have until September 1, 2009. If my words appear harsh, I do not mean them to. I believe there is no limit to what we can do. For these two. For this place. For each other. They are here for all of us. Not just Native. Every one of us. The choice is now up to each of us, individually. $5.00 from everyone will do the job. Do you have $5.00? Are these two gifts, this place, the message they bring, worth $5.00? Click this link if you answered yes.

http://www.buffalomessengers.org/Fundraiser.html

Quote was taken from Buffalo Messenger's Website (AKA Mr.Spisak)
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: Honestinjun on January 17, 2012, 03:24:24 am
   
BUFFALO MESSENGERS Jul 20, 2009, 7:29am EDT
I think we do paypal. Donations can of course always be sent via regular mail to Buffalo Messengers, 3400 National Pike, Farmington, PA 15437

hawk


Another quote from same site
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: educatedindian on January 19, 2012, 02:00:49 pm

 Welcome to the Pennsylvania State Police Megan's Law Website
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Any person who uses the information contained herein to threaten, intimidate, or harass the registrant or their family, or who otherwise misuses this information, may be subject to criminal prosecution or civil liability....

I would like to take the time to thank the host for removing some of the posts by Mr. Spisak re: Mr. David Smith's prior convictions. I posted the above information from the Megan's List website in PA, as Mr. Spisak was in direct violation of PA state law when he posted Mr. Smith's information on this site. While I respect the use of this site to bring to light fraudulent activities, as I am well aware of many myself, I also need to point out that Mr. Smith is serving his time, and should not be subject to a man's rantings over a failed personal relationship. While the article that was posted in this thread re: the events that led up to his conviction may be relevant to this site, I would like to request that all other information about David "Two Wolves" Smith be stricken from this site, to allow for personal privacy. I very much appreciate your support.

A note to the Administrator: When entering information under the search engine Google, the thread is pulled up with all of the information the Mr. Spisak pasted on here from the Megan's list site. If there is a way to correct this, it would be appreciated.

Why you posted this on this thread instead of the one on Smith isn't clear, expect maybe you wanted to bring Spisak's name into it.

Asking us to delete information to protect an abuser of children, ceremony seller, and imposter is pretty outrageous. Absolutely no.
Title: Re: Michael Spisak AKA Hawk Goodfire
Post by: Epiphany on May 06, 2013, 01:58:38 pm
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Michael "hawk" Spisak is an activist, author and provocateur. Equal parts Jack Kerouac, Hunter S. Thompson, George Carlin and Aristotle, he regularly upsets the established order and infuriates the religiously convinced. Hawk is a mix blood, White/First Nations, who has been on his own since he was 13, living his life traveling the world. He has seen and done what most never will. After 48 States, almost every Indian Reservation and 13 countries he settled down in Tennessee with his best friend, S'unka the Superdog.

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-hawk-Spisak/e/B008I5MXMM/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Michael-hawk-Spisak/e/B008I5MXMM/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1)

He has a book out Full Circle: The End of the Beginning

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Full Circle is a devastating introspective into Native American culture and ceremony, spirituality, humanity, and society at large. Told from the perspective of Jackson, a white/Native American mixed blood, Full Circle questions the status quo of American society while revealing the causes and effects of colonialism and manifest destiny.

Full Circle's drama is both intense and realistic as Jackson's journey leads the reader to places and to people most Americans don't know exist. Spisak shines a light on taboo subjects from the historical policy of genocide by the US government to the exploitation of spirituality by greedy and often deluded people.

http://www.amazon.com/Full-Circle-End-Beginning-ebook/dp/B00BQ1VQ96/ref=la_B008I5MXMM_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367847733&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Full-Circle-End-Beginning-ebook/dp/B00BQ1VQ96/ref=la_B008I5MXMM_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367847733&sr=1-1)

Book is fiction, guess it could be classified under historical fiction, it might very well be a thinly veiled autobiography. There is a "David Chases" who is "conniving" and a "Mary Bloody Heart" who is proud and supportive of the lead character "Jackson".

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The mix blood community in the US is vast. As it stands now, a little goes here, a few pennies there and nothing is accomplished. However, what if all that is generated is collected in one hat? Instead of a few hundred here, a few thousand there, we could have millions in one place. A pooling of all the resources in one place to be distributed where it’s needed. The People, helping each other, as one. Instead of several competing entities all at the same time.

The trick of course would be to have this overseen by the right people. That kind of money would corrupt a person, real quick.

Michael Spisak - Full Circle Interview http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art22855.asp (http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art22855.asp)