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Offline BlackWolf

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Re: Dawe's Roll research
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2010, 10:17:15 pm »

Blackwolf,

 The Dawes went by direct descendants didn't it?  I am having a hard time following you on these people having to take their entire families with them.

Isn't it said that some people might have had seen where they had great aunts or uncles on the rolls, but not their direct ancestor, therefore that made them not enrollable?

Enrollment requirement for Citiesnshp in the Cherokee Nation is based on being of lineal descent of an Indian on the Dawes Roll.  That’s true.  What I was getting at was that if a Cherokee man or women left the boundaries of the Cherokee Nation and weren’t enrolled by Dawes, then if their parents or grandparents stayed behind in the Tribal boundaries, then even if they weren’t enrolled, their descendents would be eligible for enrollment because most likely their parents or grandparent that stayed behind in the CN were enrolled.  As to the second part, yes that’s true.  But let’s say you had a great aunt that was enrolled, but her brother who was your direct lineal ancestor wasn’t.  If the Cherokee parent or parents of these brothers and sister were enrolled, then that would still be lineal descent and the descendents of the one that left could enroll.  

Also, we have to assume that the brother or sister wasn’t a half brother or sister that was of non Cherokee ancestry.  I know of cases like these.  Let’s say both kids had the same white father, and one kid had a Cherokee mother and the other had a white mother.  They would be half brothers or sisters where one would not be Cherokee.  I’ve known of some people that don’t bother to check this and come to the wrong conclusion.  But then again, I do know of some genuine cases of what you speak of.  In the case you speak of, let’s say a Cherokee man leaves the Cherokee Nation with his mother and father, or for whatever reason they didn’t enroll in Dawes either or died, and one sister stayed behind and was enrolled by Dawes.  That probably happened in some cases.  That’s true RB.

Re: Dawe's Roll research
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2010, 11:51:08 pm »
What if the Cherokee for some reason disowned a person and kicked them out. (do or did they ever do that?)..  (is this a stupid question? if so.. sorry)
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Re: Dawe's Roll research
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2010, 03:01:56 am »
Besides the Cherokees, The Dawes Rolls also enrolled Creeks, Choctaws, Chickasaws, and Seminoles, known collectively as the Five Civilized Tribes.  It appears that some of the same issues that went on with Cherokee applications for Dawes also went on with the other Tribes.  For example, as with the numerous FRAUDULENT claims of CHEROKEE HERITAGE in the hopes of getting an allotment or a monetary payout, there were also many FRAUDULENT CLAIMS OF CHOCTAW HERITAGE for some of the same reasons.   Although there were some people with legitimate claims to Choctaw heritage who were rejected, it appears that most of the rejected claims were for non-Choctaw/non-Indians.  You can find many cases of Whites, Blacks and Mulattos being rejected by the Dawes Commission.  If one examines some of the rejected claims, you can see many Claimants were CLEARY REJECTED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CHOCTAW.  If you look at the BIA PROPOSED FINDINGS AGAINST FEDERAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE MOWA BAND OF CHOCTAW INDIANS, even there you find many enrolled members of the MOWA Band of Choctaws using Rejected Dawes and Miller applications as proof of their heritage when is shows clearly that they were rejected because it was determined that they were not of Choctaw heritage.  The evidence shows that many claimants of Choctaw heritage today are descended from these people whose Dawes applications were rejected.

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The Dawes Commission rejected nearly two-thirds of the applications for enrollment. Those who were rejected also have census cards and application jackets available for research. NARA's Fort Worth facility has indexes available on microfilm for those rejected as Cherokee or Choctaw. Fort Worth also has the applications of those who applied to the Dawes Commission in 1896, all of which were declared invalid.


http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/tutorial/dawes/rolls-index.html

http://www.archives.gov/southwest/index.html
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Offline BlackWolf

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Re: Dawe's Roll research
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2010, 03:05:43 am »
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By the time the official Choctaw Nation rolls were ordered closed on March 4th, 1907, some 25,000 personas had applied for identification as Mississippi Choctaw, but fewer then, 1,700 had been accepted.  Thousands of Blacks, Whites, and mixed bloods had been denied identification, P 21.

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In 1908 the Choctaw council had warned that many non-Choctaw, including “Mexicans, Creoles, Dagoes, and Indians of other Tribes,” were claiming to be Choctaw in order to obtain a portion of the tribal funds that still remained after allotment, p 21.


It should also be stated that the Choctaws also appear to be pretty well documented like the Cherokees.  Also, the Choctaw Nation based in Oklahoma bases enrollment on being a lineal descendent of a Choctaw Indian on the Dawes Roll. 

http://www.choctawnation.com/

As of now, there are 201, 463 enrolled  Choctaw Citizens worldwide not including the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians and the Jena Band of Choctaw Indians, the only other two Federally Recognized Choctaw Tribes.  The Choctaw Nation has a liberal enrollment policy, like the Cherokee Nation.  So, with that said, no one is denied enrollment in the Choctaw Nation because of a low Blood Quantum, but because they can’t prove their ancestry from a Choctaw ancestor listed on the Dawes Roll.  Or in a minority of cases, they can prove their Choctaw ancestry, but their ancestors were rejected for some other reason.