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Offline VHawkins

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Cherokee Elder's Society index on frauds
« on: March 10, 2005, 04:11:09 pm »
http://cherokeeeldersociety.org/fraud-index.html

[note: they are discussing all the Cherokee tribes that are claimed]

Fraud Index Number

Each Nation will be assigned a Fraud Index Number. The Fraud Index Number is calculated by totaling the points assigned to each in a series of fraudulent acts. The Index Number ranges from -650- which is the worst ranking to -O- which is the best ranking.

Organization

   1)- Intertribal - Cherokee are not Intertribal.  As the old saying goes

   Cherokees were: "Always conquerors never conquered."

   (50 points)



Traditions

   2)- Plastic Elders - Cherokee Elders receive their knowledge first

   hand through through oral tradition over a great many years not

   from books instantly. (35 points)



   3)- Combines Mormon myth/American Nativism with Cherokee

   traditions especially that of the Myth of the White Jewish  

   Cherokee/White Cherokee. (20 points)



   4)- Have a "Beloved Woman" - This tradition is not Cherokee but was

   adapted from another nation in one instance by Cherokee living

   in a border region after Nancy Ward helped to warn the nation of

   an impending attack. Nancy Ward was the first and last "Beloved

   Woman" of the Cherokee Nation. (10 points)



   5)- There are only seven Cherokee Clans: A-ni-gi-lo-hi (Long Hair,

   sometimes called the Twister, Wind or Strangers); A-ni-sa-ho-ni

   (Blue; also Panther or Wildcat 0r Bear); A-ni-wa-ya (Wolf);

   A-ni-go-te-ge-wi (Wild Potato or Savannah); A-ni-a-wi (Deer);

   A-ni-tsi-s-qua (Bird); A-ni-wo-di (Paint,  Red Paint or War

   Paint).  Any variation is not traditional. (45 points)



   6)- Further the Myth of the Peaceful Cherokee (10 points).



   7)- Plastic Names - the Cherokee have never collectively been to

   Hollywood. We never used Hollywood Indian names. (10 points)



   8)- Buffalo Traditions - The Cherokee People never had buffalo  

   traditions. Perhaps its because there were no great herds of

   buffalo crashing through the cliffs and dense woods in the Smokey

   Mountains. (10 points)



   9)- Polygamy - Cherokee Traditions do not include traditions of

   Polygamy. John Ross' father-in-law said anyone with more than

   one wife should be shot hung and quartered, or something to that

   effect. (10 points)



 10)- Sacrificing the integrity of Traditional Cherokee medicine by allowing

 non-Cherokee or  non-family members into a sweat. (25 points)



 11)- Using sweats for purposes of entertainment rather than for health reasons.

 (25 points)



 12)- Vacation Indians - Cherokee nations, tribes, bands or clans do not

  exist in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New

  Mexico, California, Alaska, Hawaii, or Porte Rico unless a very

  large Cherokee Family went on vacation. (50 points)  



Spirituality

 13)- Plastic Shamans - If the spiritual leader is called the Shaman

  there is a problem since Cherokee are not from Siberia and

  Shamans are. (5 points)



 14)- Cherokee Spiritual Leaders do not lead in ceremonies taken from

  books especially Mooney's Sacred Formulas of the Cherokee.  

  (25 points)



 15)- Non-Cherokees in the Circle - Cherokee Spiritual leaders do not

 allow it. (25 points)



 16)- Non-Cherokees praying in the Circle - Cherokee Spiritual leaders

  do not allow it. (25 points)



 17)- Cherokee Spiritual leaders do not allow Felons convicted under

  the Right of Blood to enter the Circle or pray in the Circle. This is  

  because Felons according to the Right of Blood would have been

  killed and are thus dead to the Cherokee People. (25 points)



 18)- Mixes Non-Cherokee "American Indian" beliefs with Cherokee  

  Spirituality especially sweats, sundances, ghostdances, potlatches and longhouse  

  traditions .  (50 points)



 19)- Mixes Mormon myth with Cherokee Spirituality.  (25 points)

   

 20)- Mixes Judaism with Cherokee Spirituality. (25 points)



Leadership

 21)- Leader is the "traditional Cherokee emperor." (50 points)



 22)- Leader is a "Hereditary Chief" - Cherokees traditionally elected

 leaders every 52 moons. (25 points)



 23)- Council of Elders acts as the Council. - Cherokee Elders provide

 advice and teach the people their traditions. They do not rule the

 Nation. (25 points)


 24)- Any association with known non-Cherokee Frauds. (45 points)




Offline JosephSWM

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Re: Cherokee Elder's Society index on frauds
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2005, 05:15:49 pm »
Vance,

Many thanks to you for posting this site.

Joe

Offline VHawkins

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Re: Cherokee Elder's Society index on frauds
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2005, 09:15:45 pm »
Joe I liked this one --

9)- Polygamy - Cherokee Traditions do not include traditions of Polygamy. John Ross' father-in-law said anyone with more than one wife should be shot hung and quartered, or something to that  

   effect. (10 points)
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Notice it was John Rosses "father-in-law" that said this -- maybe this was another way of him telling John -- "You had better treat my daughter right!"

The father of any teen-age daughter can understand this.

Offline PLH

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Re: Cherokee Elder's Society index on frauds
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2005, 02:09:02 am »
I attempted to review the link listed. It states the account is suspended? Does anyone have a current link?

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Re: Cherokee Elder's Society index on frauds
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2005, 08:51:27 pm »
It has not been active for a while and if I remember, they were christian in their point of view. Also, never saw any names and who they were.

Offline frankie

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Re: Cherokee Elder's Society index on frauds
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2005, 05:02:52 pm »
The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma was contacted and asked if they supported this group or knew about it.  They sent out their usual statement on groups on websites that they were not aware of this website and did not approve of sanction it.

Cherokee Elders would not be posting on a website like this anyhow.