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educatedindian:
This is pretty valuable to know, and exactly what I suspected and expected they'd do. Would you mind us putting this post up on our site as a warning too?

And in case you'e wondering, any of the warnings and articles we have up at our site at http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/ can be reposted or quoted from by anyone. For this forum, I don't mind anyone quoting or reposting my worfs, but for anyone else's, ask them.

Sarangerel:
Please feel free use what I wrote if it will help people understand.  People have seen shamanism and Harnerism as being the same thing for too long.  On another forum someone wrote that Harner was the Henry Ford of shamanism while us native folks are in the horse and buggy age.  That is the height of arrogance.  One hippy trumps the knowledge of the elders of thousands of years?  I don't think so.

TimberlineWarrior:
I have just looked up Isle of Avalon Foundation. OMG what a rip off crowd and as for Kestrel!
Some of the quotes about him:
restore the wholeness of the five fundamental aspects: the spiritual, the sexual, mental, emotional and physical.
Sex had to come into it of course!

Kestrel’s healing skills were self-taught
As appears all his 'knowledge'

They want £840($1400) to spend 7 weekends with this guy!
I wonder how many suckers they got?

As has been said, Glastonbury is one of the big rip off sceenes of the UK, just because it has a music festival and drew in crowds of hippies who later became 'spiritual' and jumped on the bandwagon to fellece the tourists that came to visit.
If it wasn't for that music festival then Glastonbury would just be a small Somerset market town with very little to offer.

^..^

Defend the Sacred:
Since some of the links in the above posts are down, I'll load them from the wayback machine:

Archived Index page from old site: http://web.archive.org/web/20050305073548/users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/index.htm

"Shamanism and Shame-ons" - http://web.archive.org/web/20050215114956/http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art01.htm

Michael Harner's listing on frauds list - http://web.archive.org/web/20050319023746/users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/frauds/frd0002.htm

Here on the current message board, going to the main page and searching on "Core Shamanism" or "Harner" will turn up many threads on the topic, like this one: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3090.0

And because some people are still trying to claim badly-done, fake Inipis are "Universal" to all cultures, and that Wiccan circles inside an Inipi structure, blended with outsider fantasies of Inipi, equal "Celtic Sweat Lodge", I'm also including some links on that. Here on NAFPS we've had discussions in these threads, among others:
* Initial comments on the Irish and Scottish taigh an fhallais, teach an allais and fulacht fiadh sites and what we do and don't know about how they were used: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1527.msg9487#msg9487
* Thread on "Bronze Age" burnt mound and sweathouse sites in general: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1539.0


Some quotes from other discussions about the inherent racism of the Core Shamanism courses:

Quoting Ingeborg: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2914.msg24800#msg24800

"... the idea of making (white) persons shame-ons in instant courses is pretty much racist, as it carries the concept of white superiority – so superior that whites (the 'better Indian'....) only need days and hours to achieve at something which takes ndns years and decades."

I can't seem to find the full text of Lisa Aldred's "Plastic Shamans and Astroturf Sun Dances: New Age Commercialization of Native American Spirituality" online. But those with JSTOR access can get it here and an excerpt is posted here: Part One and Part Two.

ETA: Spiral Walk found it: http://files.legendarysurfers.com/naw/blog/2004_10_01_archive.html

edited to add link to Harner thread

Julia:

--- Quote from: TimberlineWarrior on November 04, 2005, 10:39:26 pm ---
As has been said, Glastonbury is one of the big rip off sceenes of the UK, just because it has a music festival and drew in crowds of hippies who later became 'spiritual' and jumped on the bandwagon to fellece the tourists that came to visit.
If it wasn't for that music festival then Glastonbury would just be a small Somerset market town with very little to offer.

^..^

--- End quote ---

I think your verdict on Glastonbury itself is a bit harsh.  It's well worth visiting for its history (especially Glastonbury Abbey) and many links with the Arthurian legends.  But yes, the proliferation of New Age tat is painful to see.  I last visited the place two years ago and every other shop on the main street seemed to be flogging New Age junk, much of it with a supposedly Native American flavour.  Why the hell English people can't take pleasure in their own legacy of legend, folklore etc without ripping off other cultures is a mystery to me.

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