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Title: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on February 02, 2008, 01:42:00 am
Suraj Holzwarth also goes by the name of White Eagle Medicine Woman. Shes apparently part Seneca and Celtic. I've found her on these sites listed below...
 

 
http://www.peninsulaclarion.com/stories/102507/pulse_4389.shtml
 
http://www.alaskawellness.com/sept-oct02/drum.htm
 
http://www.alaskawellness.com/InterviewArchive2.htm
 
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/
 
 
This caught my attention...
 
 
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Taken from http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/language_of_one_course.html
 
 
Also this.........
 
 
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I thought it better to bring this to your attention here...Im interested in your opinions.

With respect,
 
Tsisqua
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on February 02, 2008, 02:05:46 am
Here is an earlier account of her. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=360.0
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on February 02, 2008, 07:28:00 pm
Thank you, I did not realise this had already been posted...I was alerted to this yesterday in American Indian Injustice...as this woman is heavily promoting herself just recently on various groups and sites...many native peoples I know are in the process of writing to Alaskan Village Councils, to the Seneca Nation etc...of which she claims to be from...and posted information far and wide to draw others attentions to what this woman 'really' is...not what she claims to be.

Is there anything else that can be done? Seems she is making a shed full of money selling over the phone courses etc...I also heard today how she charges quite a substantial sum for her 'ceremonial drumming'.

With respect,

Tsisqua

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on February 02, 2008, 10:24:57 pm
There was a query about her a few years ago about an ad in Australia and her program. What I remember is it is the same Drum program but she had advertised bringing Thlingit elders. All I can recall is that she is not enrolled Seneca. She supposably had a dream that she was Seneca. The Nation never heard of her.  The Thlingit I spoke with never heard of her. But, he said she is in Anchorage so she could recruit most anyone to be an Thinigit Elder.  Right now I don't see her saying this is a Seneca Ceremony. She is leaving that up to people imagination.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: matt e on February 25, 2008, 05:54:00 am
about the ascended master metatron- it is believed by some that metatron is an archangel.

  in the old testement of the bible(the jewish torah) it says "enoch walked with God as was not, for God took him". Some believe that enoch became the angel metatron. The newagers refer to angels as "ascended masters".
   teaching through a person- the person allows a spirit to temporarily possess them, using their body to communicate.
  I say, based just on what she states, this woman is a fraud. combining several aspects of different belief systems to make one that will appeal to people. Dangerous because of encouraging possession by spirits, which can lie about who and what they are. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on March 26, 2008, 11:16:45 pm
http://www.butterflyspirit.org/about/board/mfawp_indigenous.html

Suraj Holzwarth
Whirling Rainbow Center/GrandMother Drum Project Director
1620 Shore Dr. Anchorage A 99515
(907) 336-7439 Fax (907) 336-7439
rainbowdream@chugach.net
http://www.whirlingrainbow.org
Spiritual Healer, Ritual Artist and Drum Keeper

Bio: Suraj Holzwarth (White Eagle Woman) is a natural and trained shamanic healer, counselor, educator, ritual artist and drummer. Suraj offers a holistic healing approach developed from over twenty years of exploring, practicing and sharing paths of healing with thousands around the world. She is an international known leader, teacher, and writer of wilderness spiritual journeys, rites of passage, traditional healing, sacred ceremony, and the women's mysteries. She has lead hundreds of workshops throughout the United States, Europe, Canada, Mexico, Australia and New Zealand. Her work bridges ancient and contemporary healing arts through creative, expressive, and ritual arts, vibrational healing, shamanic healing practices, energybodywork and meditation. Her charisma and passion inspires others to break out of patterns of behavior that inhibit their life and relationships and to remember that life is a stage; a song to be sung, a dance to be danced, a story to be told, and a magical mystery to co-create. Her work reveals how the ancient wisdom of indigenous peoples is relevant to our families, our professional lives and our relationship with Mother Earth.

She was born into the knowledge of her Seneca tradition, as well as a trained priestess of the Strega Wiccan mysteries. As a child growing up in New York, Suraj spent most of her time alone in the wilderness. Her mother and father nurtured her love of Mother Earth and gave her countless wilderness experiences throughout the northeast. She developed a deep love for climbing the highest mountains and spend her early teens and twenties as a wilderness guide, leading mountaineering expeditions throughout the United States, Europe, Mexico, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. In 1979, at the age of nineteen, she was drawn to Alaska to climb Denali, North America's highest peak and became the youngest woman to do so. She led three more expeditions to the summit before settling on a homestead in Chugiak, Alaska.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on March 26, 2008, 11:22:13 pm
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803170361

Alaskan brings drum project to Del.
Seven-foot-wide instrument part of healing tour
By ROBIN BROWN • The News Journal • March 17, 2008

With wings on her shoulders, White Eagle Medicine Woman Suraj Holzwarth of Alaska beat slowly on a 7-foot drum, singing of her ancestors who were forced from their homes.

 Many of the listeners Sunday closed their eyes or bowed their heads. Others gazed, tapping their feet or singing. Some cried. A child happily yelped, "Boom!" sparking gentle laughter.

Building the seven-layer drum -- lined with 200 crystals -- took 13 months, Holzwarth said, and had the spiritual support of Alaska's multicultural community including American Indians, Buddhists and Christians.

"It's fascinating," Jane Sharrocks, of Baltimore, said. "I've never seen anything like this."

Singer-songwriter-artist Holzwarth, who serves as drum keeper of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project, said she left Long Island, N.Y., at 19 to climb Mount McKinley, called Denali in Alaska and the highest point in North America, then made Alaska her home.

Her group's Healing Waters Tour aims to help heal American Indians' Trail of Tears and suffering. It brought the massive drum to Delaware for the first time, hosted by the Awakened Heart Spiritual Center.

The center, an inclusive spiritual community aiding personal transformation and spiritual empowerment, held the event at Silverside Church in Brandywine Hundred, where the congregation meets.

Congregation manager Marty Borowski barely could believe the packed hall or the performance. "Surprise isn't the word," he said. "I'm in awe. I'm thrilled. I'm inspired."

Event planners had no idea what kind of response to expect, said Borowski, who helped move the drum into the church.

"It's like a magnet to everyone," he said. "It touches everyone in a different way and tends to be very personal."

Baltimore resident Sharrocks said she didn't know what to expect when a friend invited her. "I came into this kind of skeptical," said Sharrocks, a nurse. "I'm a person that needs data, facts." But soon, she said, "I became entranced."

Like others in the crowd, she wasn't sure what to think when Holzwarth held a doll, wrapped on a board in American Indian style and decorated with feathers.

She explained that when the group visited Australia, she had been thinking of how the aboriginal people there had been mistreated. As a parade led the Alaskans to where they would perform, she said, "an Irish woman steps out of the crowd and hands me this."

The "medicine doll" became a symbol for healing loss, she said, for American Indians who were victims of settler genocide -- or lost to abortion or death.

After the somber introduction, the doll was passed along to those seated in the pews.

Mary Szybist of Media, Pa., cradled the doll as her sons Finn, 4, and Liam, 2, smiled and Finn touched its face gently.

"This is about exposing them to Native American culture and custom," said their father, Bob, a teacher.

For ex-Delawarean Frank Rodriguez of Elkton, Md., experiencing the program was about his grandson -- and spirituality.

Six-year-old Kalum Julian Prino said the big drum was "cool." His grandfather said he was surprised to find such a spiritual offering in Delaware -- and hopes to see more.

"I was quite impressed," he said. "That was truly unique."

Contact robin brown at 324-2856 or rbrown@delawareonline.com.


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on March 26, 2008, 11:25:10 pm
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm

GrandMother Drum 2008 USA
Healing Waters Tour
We have been asked to focus our 2008 USA Tour on the Healing of Mother Earths Waters and will be hosting ceremonies at many of the major rivers and lakes throughout America. The tour highlights will include a five day Spring Equinox Delaware Water Gap Ceremony and another five day Summer Solstice Gathering of One with tribes coming together from all around the world at Yellowstone in Montana.


February 8, 2008-Loveland, Colorado
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance and Opening Tour Ceremonies

February 9-10, 2008 - Loveland, Colorado
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum with Community "Mother Drum" Initiation Ceremony

February 22-24, 2008 - Trail of Tears Broken Arrow, OK
Pipe Ceremony, Opening Healing

March 1, 2008- Chattanooga, Tennessee
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

March 2, 2008- Chattanooga, Tennessee
Traditional Fire Ceremony for the Healing of the Waters

March 8th, 2008 - Luray, Shenandoah Valley, VA
Spirit Walk Group Healing Session 6:30-9:00pm

March 9-10, 2008 Luray, Shenadoah Valley, Va

Medicine Wheel Portal Activation Ceremony 11-6 Sun

11-4pm Mon.

March 14, 2008 - Moorestown, New Jersey
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

March 16, 2008 - Wilmington, Delaware
Grandmother Drum Prayerformance

March 18-22, 2008 - Near Trenton, NJ
Spring Equinox Healing Waters Ceremony- Delaware Water Gap.

April 4, 2008, Weymouth, MA
GrandMotherDrum Prayerformance

April 5-6, 2008, Weymouth, MA
Medicine Wheel Portal Activation Ceremony with GrandMother Drum

April 13, 2008 Newtown, Pennsylvania

GrandMother Drum Prayerformance 10am-1pm.

April 20, 2008- Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington DC Private Community Healing Ceremony

April 25, 2008- Rocky River, Ohio
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

April 26-27, 2008-Rocky River, Ohio
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

May 1, 2008 - Worldwide
Grandmother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart Film Premiere on Global Love Day Worldwide!

May 2, 2008- Oakland County, Michigan
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

May 3-4, 2008- Oxford, Michigan
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum with Community "Mother Drum" Initiation Ceremony

May 11, 2008-Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony

May 23, 2008- Fort Worth, Texas
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

May 24-25, 2008 - Dallas, Ft. Worth, TX
Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

June 6-8, 2008- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Red Earth Festival- tentative

June 12-15, 2008 – Black Hills, South Dakota
Community Healing Ceremonies

June 17, 2008- West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

July 4-6, 2008-Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
Medicine Wheel Portal Ceremonial Weekend

BACK HOME IN ALASKA!
August 9, 2008- Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008- Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.

 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Kevin on March 27, 2008, 11:52:56 am
Geeez! It sounds like she might even be a former Navy SEAL and able to change her shape into animals too   wow!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Ingeborg on April 10, 2008, 12:15:05 am
Just found this;

Brawl erupts at peace ceremony
By Ed Baker
Tue Apr 08, 2008, 03:06 PM EDT
Weymouth -



Weymouth - Organizers of a prayer ceremony hoped to promote unity by playing a seven-foot Grandmother drum that is intended to symbolize the universal heart of all races at Chapman Middle School, but the April 4 ritual ended with the arrests of four protesters who challenged the validity of the event.

Police charged Hartman Deetz, 31, of Mashpee and Dylan Lach, 22 of Sagamore with assault and battery on a police officer, trespassing, and disorderly conduct in connection with the saga that began at about 9:20 p.m.

“Hartman Deetz and Dylan Lach got into a struggle with the officer who was on hand for the event,??? said Sgt. Rick Fuller. “There were two females with them who became very vocal and refused to leave at the request of the officer.???

Fuller said that about 130 people witnessed the episode that was staged by Whirling Rainbow Foundation, an Alaska-based organization.

“Hartman Deetz tried to damage the drum with a walking stick,??? he said. “He has been charged with attempting to commit a crime by trying to damage the drum.???

Police additionally charged Nicole Lach, 21 of Bourne and Melanie Deetz, 29 of Mashpee with trespassing and disorderly conduct for disrupting the ceremony and refusing to leave the school when Officer Patricia Critch ordered them to do so.

All of the individuals charged pleaded innocent in Quincy District Court on April 7. They were released on their personal recognizance with a promise to appear for a pre-trial hearing on June 6.

Critch, who was the only officer on duty at Chapman, requested backup when the protesters refused to leave.

White Eagle Medicine Woman, an organizer for Whirling Rainbow Foundation, said that the tension began when Dylan Lach, Hartman Deetz, Melanie Deetch, Nicole Lach, a young man, and a young woman approached her as an intermission got underway.

“They had the smell of alcohol and marijuana on their breath,??? White Eagle said. ???They came up to me and screamed at me. I believe they are all Wampanoag nation members.???
White Eagle said that Hartman was especially vocal to her.

“They called me an wannabe and said I was ripping people off,??? White Eagle said about their references to a Native American garb she wore, the admission price to the ceremony, and a two-day workshop that was held over the weekend at Chapman. “Another young man and three girls were with him.???

White Eagle, who has a mixed Caucasian and Seneca nation heritage, did not respond to Hartman and remained silent while Hartman yelled at her in the hope that he would calm down.

“It did not work and they continued to display their anger,??? White Eagle said. “A police officer at the school (Critch) intervened between us and asked him (Hartman) to leave. He refused to go, and it got into the beginning of a brawl. They then tried to smash the drum.???

Critch attempted to stop the destruction of the drum and was attacked by Hartman and Dylan.
Critch requested backup assistance on her portable radio.

“Send everyone you can,??? Critch said during the transmission to police headquarters.

Eight cruisers arrived at Chapman to assist Critch, who was getting help restraining the suspects from some men attending the ceremony.

“A lot of the men in the audience began to assist the police officer and try to quiet things down,??? White Eagle said.

Fuller said that police had to use pepper spray to stop the assaults.

Officers handcuffed Hartman, Dylan, Nicole Lach, and Melanie Deetch when the melee was brought under control.
“The audience was really stirred up,??? White Eagle said.

She said a ceremony involving the drum was held despite the violent encounter.

“I gathered people together in the room for prayer,??? White Eagle said “I felt this was an opportune moment to teach people how to remain peaceful in light of what is going on in the world around them. I felt we had an opportunity to walk the talk.???

White Eagle said she tried to speak with Hartman after officers restrained him.

“When Hartman was handcuffed, he was kneeling down because of the effect of the pepper spray,??? White Eagle said. “I knelt before him and said that I am ready to listen to you. Everybody in the gym heard me say that because I still had a microphone on, but he started screaming again. There was no room for negotiating.???

She said the gathering was quite moved by what happened, and the episode helped launch a healing discussion where Native Americans could share their frustrations over racism and historical injustices done to their ethnic group.

“We have to understand that there are a lot of things that have happened in this country to our indigenous nations,??? White Eagle said. “There is tremendous pain involved, and we desire to bring some healing and inspiration to that story. In that particular circumstance, there was not any opportunity to have some dialogue.???

She said encounters with the suspects are not dampening hopes of having an eventual dialogue with them and Wampanoag nation members.

“On Sunday, a member of the Algonquin nation, Dr. Cathy Gayoski, offered to help,??? White Eagle said.

As a peace gesture, she said, Gayoski helped some Whirling Rainbow members make six wooden shelves for the four suspects and their two friends who were not charged in the melee.

“They made a shelf for each of the children,??? White Eagle said. “We are hoping to meet with the leader of the Chippewa nation One Bear on how to approach the Wampanoag leader.???

The shelves consist of a large shelf that represents the Wampanoag nation as a whole and have six fragmented shelves that are linked to the larger board.

White Eagle said that the episode gave Whirling Rainbow an opportunity to put its message of peace and reconciliation into practice.

“We have left a far more potent message than we have in any other community we have been in,??? she said. “We have gotten numerous e-mails on how people thought we handled this.???

Whirling Rainbow Foundation describes itself on its website, www.whirlingrainbow.opg, as an international spiritual and educational organization that honors and celebrates the diverse cultural and spiritual paths of the human family.

“Our mission is to awaken the spiritual intelligence (divinity) of the heart of humanity, manifesting the full potential of the human spirit to co-create a world of unity, love, and peace with the self, family, community, and the earth,??? declares a Whirling Rainbow mission statement.

Whirling Rainbow further states that the Grandmother Drum is a symbol that is meant to promote peace and unity through the global language of music, dance, and the cultural and healing arts.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/weymouth/homepage/x450927248

hartman deetz
2008-04-08T23:11:56
wicked local should get both sides if it is truly objective<br /><br />any one no matter what faith should know a scam when people are charged up to 300 dollars a head to pray or gather for peace<br />these things should never be tainted with moneyhartman deetzReport Abuse
wicked local should get both sides if it is truly objective

any one no matter what faith should know a scam when people are charged up to 300 dollars a head to pray or gather for peace
these things should never be tainted with money
Bonnie Singleton

2008-04-09T20:57:44
The only crime committed in Weymouth on April 4th was the Whirling Rainbow gathering. It's a shame that gigantic "Grandmother Drum" wasn't set on fire. White Eagle Medicine Woman is no more a spiritual leader than my cat is.
B. Paddles Upstream

2008-04-09T21:12:08
Whirling Rainbow Gathering and their "Leader" is another example of Cultural Theft and Fraud of our Native Culture, that is the crime that happened on April 4th. Native People around Turtle Island needs to speak out about these frauds.

2008-04-09T22:39:05
Hartman I'm pissed at you! You shoulda wrecked the drum and her friggin outfit!
Stay strong man.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 10, 2008, 02:27:36 am
Have been posting on Suraj for a while now.... asking people to protest her events (before hand) in the hopes that there will be cancellations..... One woman in Ohio has called the park so much that they have canceled the event;)

She has RedEarth as "tentative.." we are assuming that she is using them as a spring board since she is not carded and can not get in like that....

If she shows up there - she's got a big surprise waiting there for her.

so yes - we can all make a difference....

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: glendadeer on April 10, 2008, 03:23:30 am
I await her visit to RedEarth.....SMILES ALL CHEESEY.... :-X
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 10, 2008, 03:33:51 am
A Grandmother Drum Supporter's Account
Body:    I went to see the Grandmother Drum for Peace event, with my wife, and a friend.


The location was a public school gymnasium in Weymouth on April 4, 2008, 7:00 - 10:00 PM, at Chapman Middle School 1051 Commercial St., East Weymouth, Massachusetts .


I found information about the drum at http://www. drummingforpeace. org/

Drum? An amazing drum it was. We are talking about a hypnotic sound ritual from a 7 foot diameter wooden drum that weighs hundreds of pounds, a true giant in the world of drums. The audience paid just inside the door and walked to the far side of the gymnasium. The event took place in a corner of the gym, using only one set of seats, and about one quarter of the floor space. The tone was calm. Many people in the audience brought a drum or two with them. Some people bought drums from a table near the entrance. It was a very relaxed scene, lots of children and grandmothers, and some men, in a mostly feminine audience of about 150 people. Definitely a family-and-friends type of audience. People were passing around rattles, brightly colored plastic eggs containing garden seeds and dried corn. Children were shaking them, experimenting with the sounds.


There had been advertising on a local radio station, WATD-FM. Some internet publicity preceded the event also.


On a web page at youtube. com, I discovered this information: “White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth) is the director and Drum Keeper of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project. She is an international renowned shaman, seer and performance artist of Seneca and Celtic descent. Her CDs include Journey of the Heart and songlines of the Soul. She is the director and co-producer of the newly released documentary film Grandmother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart. She is also the founder and director of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and the Rainbow Fire Dream Institute in Palmer, Alaska.??? She performed in a beautiful white costume, and, in one part of the prayerperformance, posed in a beautiful, white eagle mask. She was accompanied by a young woman who sang, and also danced. The name of the dancer/singer was announced, but I didn’t write it down, so I’m unable to report that. I do have some pictures in my cell phone, which are low quality shot from the top bleacher seat. There were at least two photographers at the event with good cameras.

Everything was spiritual and calm, people singing, kids shaking plastic rattles, the picture of peace and harmony - until the end of the intermission. I was standing about 8 feet from the Grandmother Peace Drum on the opposite side from White Eagle Medicine Woman. I was in the “rattle??? section, holding 2 maracas that my friend brought. Between my position and Suraj Holzwarth was the massive drum, with corn meal sprinkled on it, and also scattered on the floor.

When she started talking again, she was interrupted by a group of 6 young people, who had marched quickly into the middle of the floor next to the drum, confronting her, and started shouting. Events happened fast so I’m not sure of the precision of my memory; there were 3 men and 3 women. I guessed their ages as between 20 and 40, certainly younger than most of the adults in the room. They claimed to be Wampanoag, and their leader, the foremost of them, demanded to know who gave this lady (self-admittedly only a part-blood Seneca) permission to be here? And they were angry, shouting because they were offended by this “mockery of their sacred rituals.??? They specifically didn’t like the sale of tickets to a Sacred Ritual.


He shouted, “What if someone was making a mockery of a Christian ceremony???? Bam!

The leader of the Wampanoag protesters had marched in carrying a substantial, thick, walking stick; to emphasize each of his points, he began slamming the stick down onto the gymnasium floor. Bam! Bam! Bam! White Eagle Medicine Woman had a bigger ceremonial stick, with a black rubber cap at the bottom, but she was not using it. However, he used his with enthusiasm.

“Who ARE you???? Bam!

“Who gave you permission to be here and do this???? Bam!

“Mockery!??? Bam!

Men in the audience started moving inward, towards the action; women and kids began backing up, moving away, their faces showing that they were uncomfortable. Most of the really young children were oblivious, not understanding the confrontation. A few children, however, were grasping it and responding fearfully.

Meanwhile, White Eagle Medicine Woman was not escalating, acting reasonably, plainly wanting them to sit down and talk. Her walk-in opponents, however, didn’t want any of that reasonable stuff. A bunch of people standing around became frightened and frustrated, so they start banging furiously on drums and shaking the rattles that they brought, originally intending to drum for peace. That hope was abandoned; they were drumming to drown out the shouting and the angry words. The volume level went through the roof.

The only cop on duty was a middle-aged woman, about 64 inches tall by my estimate. At the explosion of shouting and drumming, she came running out of the back room where she’d been hanging out with someone. If she had been at the front entrance, perhaps this story would be different. She ran directly to the young men and got in their faces, which provoked an immediate, further escalation of shouting and waving of arms. I could see that the leader of the Wampanoag protesters had veins standing out on his temples. He was visibly enraged. The guy behind him wore a tee-shirt, with the arms torn off, and the words “Homeland Security??? silk-screened in large letters on the chest. That was a wry comment on current American politics, viewed through the eyes of a Native American. The male protesters were not in ceremonial clothing. They were in street clothes.

The cop and the chief protester were suddenly engaged physically, when he decided to try to destroy the 7 foot wide buffalo skin drum head. Whack, whack, whack! He gave 3 hard strikes with the stick he carried. Suddenly, the policewoman and he were wrestling, shoving, grappling. They came around the drum towards me, with him putting a head lock on her. Then their positions were reversed, she was attacking him. Nearby men were reaching in, to impede her opponent. I saw that she had a device in her right hand, not a gun. They were struggling right in front of me, literally three or four feet away. I could see them clearly.

I heard myself shouting reflexively at him, at the top of my voice, “What are you doing???????

He turned and saw the pepper spray device aimed at him and he put out his left arm to stop it. Her hand with the pepper spray in it wobbled around in a circle, spraying people standing close by. Suddenly, I was tasting pepper, my lips were burning and I exhaled hard, instinctively, to keep that stuff out of my lungs. I backed up, putting my hands up in front of me. At that point the protester was down but kicking. Men were grabbing him. I saw her right hand come around and spray directly at his face from above. He twisted his head avoiding it, but most of the liquid hit him on the cheek and neck. I saw it glistening, dripping on his skin. I stepped further back, moving away from the biting smell, looking around for my wife. I began thinking about how we could leave the building safely after this nasty turn of events.

Having stepped back, looking for the exit, I saw that some policemen had run into the gymnasium. They had Mr. Homeland Security face down on the floor between the drum and the left-most exit door. The young Wampanoag women were shouting at those policemen. The women protesters were not striking out, only shouting. The police had physical control of the protesters at this point.

White Eagle Medicine Woman came over to the spot on the gym floor near me where the policewoman had subdued her opponent. White Eagle Medicine Woman knelt down in front of him and tried to talk to him. There was a lot of noise, so I guess that very little communication, if any, happened. The police picked him up and started force walking him towards the exit doors.

She noticed that his blood was on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her right hand around on the little red puddle. Then she paused and rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin. Her actions were eerily calm, slow and deliberate, in great contrast to the commotion and noise around us. She was not speaking.


The police woman got everyone’s attention by shouting loudly, no microphone needed. She said that if there was anyone here in the gym that was unwelcome, they should leave now. Her emphasis plainly said that greater police response would have been forthcoming against anyone silly enough to take violent actions.


My wife and I walked over to the far left corner where my friend was standing with the PA sound man, Ken. We talked a little bit about leaving. Before we could get it together to do that, everyone in the audience was making a big circle on the floor, holding hands. The drum was then surrounded, in the center of a fifty foot wide circle of about one hundred silent people, both adults and children.

White Eagle Medicine Woman started talking, using the melee as a teaching opportunity. I found myself disagreeing with some of what she said, but everyone in the gym was listening intently. She said that we were witnessing the pain of the Wampanoag, and that it’s not about us. They – Indians - don’t hate us. But the turn of events showed how deep is the suffering of the Native Americans, especially those that are looking backwards “seven generations.??? She said that the night’s events were about them expressing pain and frustration that had its roots in the horrible history that American Indians endured. She said that she had been challenged before, more than once, by medicine men and chiefs who don’t view her drum, and her rituals as authentic. She talked about being confronted by an aborigine fighter in Australia (I’m not making this up). She said that she had been “incested from age two to age five.??? Because of that experience, she had been an angry person herself for a long time. She used to be a “flaming lesbian feminist??? - her words. She said that we - all of us - must stop looking back at all the damage done historically.

She said it is now time for all of us to recognize that we are all one people, and we need concentrate on Peace. She said the 1000 year period of peace that had been prophesied is starting now. She said we need to honor and support women and also make sure that no child is ever hurt. She says we’ve been breaking those 2 basic rules, causing much needless human suffering.


Then, White Eagle Medicine Woman asked one of her “sisters??? to talk, so Ken’s mike ended up in the hands of one of the other Indian ladies that had been there all night. She talked a lot, making a sort of weak apology for the behavior of the protesters (now long gone, having all been removed by the police team). She asked us to view the protestor’s behavior in the context of their life experience. I found myself listening without sympathy. My lips were stinging; the skin above my lips was stinging. I left and went into the men’s room and attempted to wash my face with soap and water. Unfortunately, that did not work. The stinging sensation spread around my mouth. What I didn’t realize was that the pepper spray was on the skin of my right hand and I’d been smearing it around on my face. Yuck.





When we got home, all my clothes had to go in the washing machine. They smelled like pepper spray. I showered and washed up thoroughly. Then my wife noticed that she had a bruise in the corner of her left eye, and it was puffy. It did not progress, but we were somewhat worried. We speculated that she may have been struck by a small chunk of wood flying away from the clubbing of the drum.





The three of us had a lively discussion on the way home. That’s a separate story for another day.






Truth is stranger than fiction.






Thanks for reading

Jay Fulton
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 10, 2008, 03:44:27 am
I only see it once, Ingleborg post another. Is this woman really going to Red Earth?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: ska on April 10, 2008, 03:47:47 am
Here's another example of the hodge-podge that is her bio - the word "suraj" means sun, in the Hindi language.

ska
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 10, 2008, 03:51:41 am
In one of her old bios, her Seneca heritage amounted to her having a dream that she was, as they never heard of her, but that was a few years ago.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wolfhawaii on April 10, 2008, 07:19:43 am
In addition to all the other quackery and weirdness, that thing with the guy's blood and putting it on the drum was just way beyond wrong! And that was a report from a supporter!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on April 10, 2008, 08:06:49 am
Right, so "we" have to concentrate on "peace" but Holzwarth gets to swan around with her drum and her entourage insulting indigenous people by charging for performances like this. When it all kicks off, none if it is her fault. No, it's the fault of those other, bad, white people who used to oppress Indians.

Besides she's a victim too, so she can do whatever she damn well likes and doesn't have to listen to the people who challenge her - though she may choose to once they've been suitably pepper-sprayed and restrained.

In addition to all the other quackery and weirdness, that thing with the guy's blood and putting it on the drum was just way beyond wrong! And that was a report from a supporter!

She was healing you and your pain. Don't be so ungrateful!

How can we support the people who were arrested?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 10, 2008, 12:56:42 pm
Two more things stood out.

Holzwarth decided to smear these protesters by the old stereptype of "drunken Indians."

And she described herself as white when she said "It's not about us. The Indians are not mad at us."

The whole thing with the blood, that's acting downright loony tune. Thanks Holzwarth, I'm sure it freaked the hell out of the kids there too.

Like Barnaby we need to support the protesters? Is there anyone in the area who can find out what they were charged with?

And why were there cops at a "peace ceremony"? It's more likely she knowingly hired off duty cops as security, knowing she'd face protests. So she's responsible for this happening.

Also, why was her garbage mock-ceremony held at a public middle school? Likely some naive principal who didn't know any better.

I'm glad that some people wrote in the comments section, but we should also write to the reporter, who was too lazy to even talk to the protesters.

Ed Baker is the reporter's name. No email listed for him, perhaps a freelancer.

Editor is Cathy Conley. Her email is weymouth @ cnc.com

That same address is also for Letters to the Editor. Please repost anything you send here as well, whether they publish it or not.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 10, 2008, 02:09:34 pm
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She noticed that his blood was on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her right hand around on the little red puddle. Then she paused and rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin. Her actions were eerily calm, slow and deliberate, in great contrast to the commotion and noise around us. She was not speaking.

Holay Smokes!!! What is WRONG with this woman!!

Does anyone know where she is next? We have many people who are outraged...and wish to speak with this woman! Many people who wish to protest and put an end to her disrespect of our people.

She HAS no right to conduct our ceremony! She HAS no right to charge for ceremony! This woman needs to be stopped! She seems to think she is above all others...taking what she wants from our people and mixing it up to suit her own personal needs....its disgusting!

We at NAU will write to this Editor...and we will inform you here of any response....we shall also post our initial mail. I am currently writing from my laptop in hospital....but shall be back at my office within a few days...what else can we do??


Added on:

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April 13, 2008 Newtown, Pennsylvania

GrandMother Drum Prayerformance 10am-1pm.

April 20, 2008- Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington DC Private Community Healing Ceremony

April 25, 2008- Rocky River, Ohio
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

April 26-27, 2008-Rocky River, Ohio
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

May 1, 2008 - Worldwide
Grandmother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart Film Premiere on Global Love Day Worldwide!

May 2, 2008- Oakland County, Michigan
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

May 3-4, 2008- Oxford, Michigan
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum with Community "Mother Drum" Initiation Ceremony

May 11, 2008-Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony

May 23, 2008- Fort Worth, Texas
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

My apologies...I just noticed this posting
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 10, 2008, 02:38:37 pm
I have just posted a Protest request to all our NAU members...plus I have asked that they also contact the editor mentioned regarding this garbage. With over 19,000 members....lets hope a large body of people protesting all this womans upcoming venues will be sufficient in slowing down her down some....if not stopping her in her tracks.

I have also posted the same on MySpace...and will post and forward to any other Native body of people I can find. I suggest we all do the same!


Added on:
An email response we just received:

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From: WESAINADV@aol.com  Add Mobile Alert 
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:18:43 EDT
Subject: Re: White Eagle Medicine Woman Strikes Again....Smears Blood On The Drum!!
To: NativeAmericanUnity_Office@yahoo.com

I wrote to them!
 
I asked them what nation is the woman who paints on the drums and what nation is Suraj Holzwarth, aka Medicine Eagle Woman and who gave her that name..
 
That funky ass owl face n feathers is horrific.. i put a comment on aol you tube that if she isnt enrolled she will be looking at a 5grand a feather fine and prison time, i still think that is what the fine is isnt it??
 
In The spirit of Crazy Horse,
Wesainadv/kat

Also here are a few phone numbers of her next venues:

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April 13, 2008 Newtown, Pennsylvania
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance 10am-1pm.
Grandmother Drum Prayerformance
Sunday, April 13, 10am-1pm $30
Newtown Theater, 120 N. State Street, Newtown PA 18940 (215) 968-3859

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April 20, 2008- Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington DC Private Community Healing Ceremony
6900 Georgia Avenue NW, Washington DC 20307
(202) 782-7761, 1(800) 433-3574 (202) 782-3501

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April 25, 2008- Rocky River, Ohio
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
Recreation Department - 21018 Hilliard Blvd.
The Mayor's Office can provide more detailed information if
required at (440) 331-0600 between 8:30 am - 4:30pm

Perhaps we can contact local radio stations?

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May 2, 2008- Oakland County, Michigan
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance


May 3-4, 2008- Oxford, Michigan
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum with Community "Mother Drum" Initiation Ceremony
WQUS 103.1FM
http://www.us103.com/
 

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May 11, 2008-Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony
WBGU 88.1 FM
419-372-8657

Another email we have received:

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From: wredgranny814@aol.com 
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:06:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Whirling Rainbow
To: narmc.webmaster@na.amedd.army.mil
CC: NativeAmericanUnity_Office@yahoo.com, American_Indian_Injustice@yahoogroups.com
     
O'siyo dekanogi ulogilv daquado tsalagi (Hello, I am Singing Cloud, Cherokee)

I come before you in humble respect to ask hearing, it has come to attention of the Nations one who call herself "White Eagle" of the Whirling Rainbow will be holding "ceremony" at you place/hospital.

She and her following are not "real" but are "charging" for something they have no right to sell. I ask please that you contact the Seneca Nation before you do this terrible thing.

You see, truth is this, our "Medicine People, Healers, and Elders, DO NOT charge, that is the FIRST thing to raise a red flag of truth or not, there are 500+ Nations, most would be willing to do the REAL Healing Ceremonies you seek, for the LOVE, respect, and honor of our Warriors, no matter Race, or Creed!

If you wish to contact a Nation, and do not know how please, please I ask you most humbly contact
 
NativeAmericanUnity_Office@yahoo.com

speak with Matty Yellowbird, or Tsisqua
 
in humble respect I ask you to consider how would you feel if others were making fun of, or doing Christian Ceremony only to those who "pay", without the consent of the Churches they were "claiming" they were "members of"then putting the money in they own bank account and the poorest of Christians in great need, but ignored by those collecting this money?

Many blessings

Granny
 
Seneca Nation :CONTACT
 
info@sni.org ,
charlene.jimerson@sni.org ,
kelly.lewis@sni.org
 

Our Own Email:

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Native_American_ Unity" <nativeamericanunity_office@yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: Whirling Rainbow
To: wredgranny814@aol.com, narmc.webmaster@na.amedd.army.mil
CC: NativeAmericanUnity_Office@yahoo.com, American_Indian_Injustice@yahoogroups.com

We at NAU urge you to cancel this womans 'ceremony' and seek cermony with 'real' Native American people.
 
Ceremony is NOT charged for, nor has it EVER been, therefore, this woman is 'stealing' your money, making a mockery of our people in the process, taking what she wishes from our ceremony, to fill her pocketbook.
 
This woman is WHITE, she claims to have been given a dream telling her she is Seneca, yet her teachings are adapted from the Dine' and Hopi people, plus others, not to mention the fact that she throws in New Age Crystal skulls, which are incased in her drum etc.
 
Please reconsider allowing this woman to give this ceremony, there is still time to cancel and find a replacement. If you wish to do this, perhaps we can help you to find a real traditional ceremony for your people there.
 
This woman has been under investigation for a very long time, she is a fake, a fraud, she is disrespectful to our people, and she will continue to make money from the sale of our ceremony for as long as there are un-informed people willing to pay her!
 
If we can help you, please do not hesitate to ask.
 
We are in the process of contacting a large body of Native Protesters, Native Media Coverage and many Native American RIghts groups to attend all of this womans 'ceremonial days'. We as a body of Native people, will do all in our power to put a stop to such disrespect of our ways.
 
With Respect,
 
Matty J Yellowboy
 
NAU ~ Native American Unity
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 10, 2008, 05:26:55 pm
Hi everyone - I should have included this last night... this is the link from the supporters blog I posted...on it under comments... Deetz (one of those arrested) posts...so I am assuming someone can contact him through there....to find out about charges.. Tsisqua - we are posting it on myspace also and sending to other groups as well.... I also think that Ohio got cancelled.....

http://jayfulton.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/grandmother_peace_drum_and_pepper-spray/

Also on one of the posts on Jays site there is a woman who has alot of info on Suraj.... pretty interesting.

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 10, 2008, 05:52:28 pm
Thank you for posting it...Ive posted a request for Deetz to contact me

Added on:

I have just received this email from the wife of Deetz...who was also a protester.

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From: "melanie roderick" <melanie.roderick@gmail.com>   
To: NativeAmericanUnity_Office@yahoo.com
Subject: grandfraud drum
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:37:54 -0400

Hello I was just checking over the Jay Fulton blog about the grandmother drum incident and saw your invite for Hartman to contact you. I'm his wife Melanie, another one of the arrested individuals. I'm honored by all of the things said on this blog by our folks. It's so great to have Indn people, who you've never met, express the same  exact thoughts as you. Well i was just checking in. If there is any info i can supply, let me know and any from you would be really appreciated. Hartman is out until tomorrow afternoon sometime but I'll let him know to also contact you. This phony *#%*&#$% must be stopped. 


                                                                                                               Kutaputunumuw Neetopaak
                                                                                                                            Melanie Deetz
                                                                                                                                 

I have responded....

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:55:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Native_American_ Unity" <nativeamericanunity_office@yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: grandfraud drum
To: "melanie roderick" <melanie.roderick@gmail.com>

You have our total 100% agreement and support. We at NAU ~ Native American Unity are a body of 19,634 Native People...and we are in the process of having as many of this 'womans' ceremonies cancelled as possible...the ones we cannot 'persuade' the venue holders to cancel...we shall attend in protest with Native media coverage...until this woman is stopped!
 
Anything we can do for you...and your group who protested this 'woman'...please let us know....you also have the support of AII ~ American Indian Injustice...NAFPS ~ New Age Frauds and Plastic Shaman..and many other groups.
 
We have a few questions if possible...what were the charges made? Is there anything we can do to support you in this?
 
With much respect,
 
Tsisqua (NAU ~ Native American Unity)

I pray many here will too offer their support to the protesters...we are in the process of bombarding all venues with calls...and emails.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 11, 2008, 12:46:54 am
It's great to see how the protests against Holzwarth are taking off, with some of her events getting cancelled. I'm reposting some of what's on the Jay Fulton blog because there's a lot of good information. Keep in mind this is not all of that link but just what I feel is most important. The stuff that was already posted in previous posts I haven't included also.

http://jayfulton.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/grandmother_peace_drum_and_pepper-spray/

26 Responses to “Grandmother Peace Drum: Conflict and pepper spray???
 Helen Kanclerz Says:

April 7, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I am Native American. Please, Think how you would feel if someone made a mockery of your culture and religion for money.
What she is doing is not only against our spirituality; we do not sell our religion which is what she is portraying, (and you paid for!) it is against the Treaties signed by the government, which will not enforce and actively breaks, check this out for yourself.
If you contact the Unitarian Universalist Church in Chatanooga Tennessee (where she was last month) they will tell you she is not of Seneca descent, she told them she was Jewish and Irish.

Check with Gary Harrison, the Chief of the Chickaloons in Alaska where she supposedly had the drum blessed and he will tell you she is a “Fanatical Flim Flam Artist out to fleece the public???.

Check with the Seneca’s in New York and Canada and they will tell you they have no record of her or her purported ancestry on their rolls.

All this information is available on the web.
Again I repeat, Think how you would feel if someone made a mockery of your culture and religion for money.

Then you will understand the ire these young people felt, forcing them to stand and be arrested to protect their heritage.

Thank you for the opportunity to shed some light on what is happening to a people who traditionally have welcomed others with open arms, this is the traditional way of the native american; but do not make us into a Bufalo Bill Cody Wild West show and continue to exploit our culture heritage and spirituality/religion.
Sincerely, Helen Kancelrez


 Jay Fulton Says:

April 7, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Dear Helen,

Thank you for writing. I am listening. Thank you especially for offering new information that can be checked and verified. You are the most valuable of correspondents, namely someone who will speak her mind.

Please do not misread me! I am neither in her favor, nor against her. would you be kind enough to elaborate some more? I’ll open up the blog for comments without having to be checked first, ok? I am a thoughtful person who reads widely. I have no strong religious belief of any kind, nor any agenda to attack or promote any religion, or culture....

Jay


 Helen Kanclerz Says:

April 7, 2008 at 4:38 pm
....You were charged a set amount with no chance to recind your “donation??? to her 501-c-3 organization. Again look on the web, she claims Whirling Rainbow is non-profit. You will find on the web, she charged the organization that brought her to Weymouth $2500.00 or 60% of the door whichever was greater, additionally all profits from the sale of the drums and rattles went to her. We do NOT sell our sacred drums, nor pipes or feathers, etc. The sale of any sacred item is DEFINITELY never done by a shaman. They would fear the wrath of the ancestors. This is the mockery of which the young man spoke. She claims she is a “shaman??? and yet openly sells our traditions and sacred items....


 Judy Gould Says:

April 8, 2008 at 12:57 am
Jay, I must thank you for this really honest report, and all the time you have taken to make this as full a report as possible. You have helped immensely.

First, let me say this. If this woman (Rachel Holzwarth, AKA Suraj Holzwarth, AKA White Eagle medicine Woman) was aware, as she reported to you, that these demonstrations and blatant objections to her prayerformances would continue, as they had in the past (and obviously, since she told you this ,there was no reason to believe otherwise), then, she was responsible for any damages or injuries which occurred.

(This statement has nothing to do with Indians or non-indians,..any promoter of any venue, who is aware that his promoted event may cause rowdiness, damaging or aggressive behavior - such as a wild music concert- the promoter is expected to have retained adequate security personnel to control situations. ) Her admission that this is apparently a common occurrence tells me that she was remiss in 1. Not informing her audience of the inherent danger, and 2. She was negligent in retaining adequate personnel as guards to protect her audience.

Next, as I stated, her real name is Rachel Holzwarth. She charges exorbitant fees for something we are NOT ALLOWED to charge for. When we hear Creator speak, we are not charged for his messages. Therefore, we cannot charge, anymore than a catholic priest would charge to hear confessions or to pray for someone’s welfare or to read the Bible to people. It’s just not done. In fact, it’s a really big no-no.

....The problem we are having with this woman is, she is using our ceremonies to fill her pockets. She is dressing in our traditional regalia, misusing feathers, misusing the sacred medicines, misguiding people who really want to know about native beliefs, and taking huge amounts of money for it!

She has made up her own set of “Indian ??? beliefs and turned it into her own religion, but pretends to have heard it through her Seneca ancestors.

What she is babbling about is not Native American. She believes she spoke to an entity named Metatron for 13 weeks in her sleep, who told her to do this. That’s all New-age stuff, but since she tried for several years at her Alaskan Wilderness Women’s Foundation to make money from the New-Agers and failed, she decided to turn into an indian since it apparently sells better.

On top of that, it would appear that she is defrauding the taxman, as she has a non-profit status as a religion, but asks that checks be sent in the name of the Alaskan Wilderness Women Foundation, rather than the Whirling Rainbow for which she holds this non-profit status.

In addition, I myself, used to live in Palmer, Alaska, and have many native friends there. She was basically ignored by them, as she kept trying to get them to “bless??? her , and kept pushing herself on them, in her attempts to “brand??? herself as this “White Eagle Medicine Woman???. They wanted no part of her shenanigans.

....When I was reading the part where she turned the events into a lesson, I was really upset. Again, she is making things up to suit her fraud. But, when you wrote that she had said she was “Incested??? I realized that she apparently needs professional help. Unless, of course, that was just more malarkey to make you feel for her lonely mission.

She has 5 to 7 people in her entourage (or so she claims in her price list) so, I would wonder where all of these people were at the time of this occurence. Have they abandoned her in the face of continual objections?

...Then, to use our outrage to pretend to know what is in our hearts, is ridiculous. Did she suffer any of these things? No! The issue is about being a fraud and selling some cockamamie fake made-up religious exercise saying it’s from her traditional Seneca roots!

If you want to find out what more people think of this woman, just google Whirling Rainbow or White Eagle Medicine Woman along with the word fraud or scam.
As I said, I believe she, herself, is both responsible for, and feeds on/utilizes to her advantage, the objections and loud reactions she gets at her “prayerformances??? from Native Americans. And, I believe that she should be charged in this instance with inciting the behavior that you witnessed, knowing it would happen, and taking no measures to ensure that her auduence was both aware of the chance of this happening, and protected to some degree from the actual interruption of the event.

....I am absolutely positive that the Native objectors had no intention of causing you or any member of the audience, or Mz. Holzwarth herself, any physical harm. We simply want this farce to be stopped, somehow, and if you understand that natives revere the big drum as a “Grandfather ??? (not a grandmother), and that the big drums were only for the men to use (Women are too powerful beings to touch the big drum, unless it is in private-ish circumstances or, if the men are all gone-as in on a hunting party), then you might get why he brought his war-stick down on the skin. As a male, he can hit the skin. As a female, she should NOT be, and if she had ‘native roots’ she would know this. Now, I know from a non-native perspective, that sounds like a sexist belief, but that is the tradition, and we native women understand why....


 jayfulton Says:

April 8, 2008 at 4:22 am
Judy, Thank you. It seems significant to me that the first responses were so….. articulate and detailed. I appreciated hearing your insights about the emotional context and the background that creates that context.

As a side note, I did hear back from Chattanooga UUA, and my contact there said that she had announced her ancestry as Jewish, Irish and others. He also said that provided the sound on a Saturday and the event in Chattanooga was uneventful and trouble-free. His information confirms Helen’s suspicion that the story line of Suraj/Rachel changes somewhat over time, or that it’s sufficiently complex that observers have a hard time remembering exactly what she said.

I am amazed at the quality of responses here. They are so much better than the sniping and sarcasm I saw on youtube.


 hartman deetz Says:

April 8, 2008 at 7:17 pm
wow jay i got pepper sprayed too

and cuffed and arrested

im sorry my actions may have caused you harm, it was not my intention to do harm to any human being that night, it was my intention to take or break that drum. for us when a drum is treated wrong it is to be taken away from those who have allowed it to be mistreated, especially if the caretaker of that drum is the one doing wrong by the drum. ive heard of a drum taken away from its group for singing a special cerimonial song casually outside of the cerimony it was intended for. helen and judy have done well to present the substance of my concerns so i wont go on and on.
this should tell you something as well about the validity of my concerns, when a strangers can relay a common understanding from a common world veiw....


 rezgirl Says:

April 9, 2008 at 8:17 am
Hello to all,

I was sent this blog and I am saddened as well as elated at the events that happened here. I am the president and co-founder of the indian center here in the Great Lakes area and have recently had the chance to have the Grandmother Drum medicine show shut down in all of Ohio. She currently has dates scheduled in the Detroit area where THEY are planning a protest as well. Our goal was to let these people no they are not welcome here and that a “peaceful??? protest would be set in motion had the events went on as planned. Fortunatly for all, they were cancelled.

....I will be forwarding this blog to others in my area here to show that we are making some progress into what this woman and her organization is doing. When I spoke with her personally last week, she tried to tell me that the money she is charging is for the expenses of their travels. When I asked her if ANY of the money she is receiving is going back into native communites (she told me she had permission from Pine Ridge elders to do what she is doing) the answer was no, a resounding no for that matter! None of the monies is going anywhere to any worthy orgs or communities. It is lining her pockets and the new agers that she brings in. There is a “spirituality center??? in the Detroit area that is charging for sweat lodges as well as pipe ceremonies and asking for “love offerings??? in a feeble attempt to bring peace and healing to the Great Lakes.

I wanted to post this message here so that you and others would know, this is not an isolated event, she is not welcome by native communities and I would hope that getting this message out BEFORE people go and spend their money will be enlightening.

Chi Megwetch.


 rezgirl Says:

April 9, 2008 at 8:39 am
BTW Hartman,

I spoke to some of the others here….we are all in agreement that if you need bail money, we’re her for ya brother….LOL....


 jayfulton Says:

April 9, 2008 at 7:06 pm
....One thing I’ve noticed here is that there have been no responses from advocates for Rachel/Suraj. I imagined there’d be some pro Vs. con postings. Why have none of her supporters responded? Is it because the audiences who see her are not generally interested in these issues, and have no clue to the cultural background involved?

Also, there was a reference to Metatron. I avoided linking any information for that it just seemed inappropriate. Is there any written evidence of the claim of visitation to Rachel/Suraj by Metatron?

Thanks again to all contributors.-Jay....


 Helen Kanclerz Says:

April 10, 2008 at 7:58 am
Sorry, I meant to add perhaps Suraj does not have any true supporters when they discover the truth.


 Helen Kanclerz Says:

April 10, 2008 at 9:13 am
Jay:
Suraj told Rezgirl she had permission from Pine Ridge to perform her “Prayerformance???

We just spoke with the lead of the healers of all 13 nations on Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. He has no knowledge of Suraj and is thoroughly upset that she is out there selling anything having to do with our religion. He has never spoken to her and without going through the council none of the healers would dare to give permission even to their own family for someone to even perform a ceremony.

As you can see we have veryt rigid and structured religion as do most religions where you must be certified before being allowed to instruct anyone in the spirituality of our culture. We will talk about our spirituality, but then ALWAYS refer them to a true healer....


 Wolfsraven Says:

April 10, 2008 at 12:18 pm
This woman is 100% white. She DREAMED she was Seneca, yet sells the Hopi and Navajo ceremonies. This is THEFT pure and simple. She is not even native…..and has NO RIGHT to steal from us and sell to non-natives. Anyone who charges for this kind of thing is a 100% bonafide FAKE! A true medicine person would never ask for money.

OUR CEREMONIES ARE NOT FOR SALE! AND THEY NEVER WILL BE!


 Judy Says:

April 10, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Hi Jay,

I didn’t want to leave the links out here, but if you go to her site and look in the instructional courses online, she has a whole unit dedicated to Metatron.
Also, if you google the name of the foundation, or her name, with Metatron, you will get many references.

My point was that she is mixing her new-age stuff with native american spiritual and ceremonial, and presenting it as native american, insulting, and abusing our spiritual beliefs in the process.

I can only compare this to maybe someone taking large sums of money while LOUDLY practising wicca and performing Christian-ish Wiccan ceremonies wearing the Pope’s mitre(headpiece) and cassock, and carrying the cross, saying she has the blessings of the church. Throw in ??? Moses told me to do this in my dreams???, and “I learned this from my Catholic upbringing???and you got a Suraj Holzwarth!

....I’m not surprised that she would choose Pine Ridge as her “source??? of blessings???. This is the most financially destitute place in America, I believe. They have more to worry about than somebody claiming to have been in contact with her. If you read her sales pitches (sorry- promotional info) over the years, she first claimed to have blessings of the Hopi, Navajo, and Shoshone. Now, it has changed to Lakota. Has she forgotten the Hopi, Navajo, and Shoshone? Or did they tell her to stop? (She also claimed blessings from the Chickaloons of Alaska, which never happened.)

Had she any idea about the plight of the Pine Ridge people, she could not possibly carry on her farce without contributing to the needs of the people there.
Why wouldn’t she claim blessings from her own Seneca people?

It appears that she chooses her verification like throwing darts at a map of native nations, and hopes nobody catches up with her.

I’d also hazard a guess why she hasn’t chosen a nation positioned on the “Canadian??? side of Turtle Island,..and that would be our APTN, (Aboriginal Peoples’ Television Network), which would have done a report on her claims in the news and then, you can be sure, some feathers would fly. (This is a 24/7 coast-to-coast cable station , available in even the most basic packages, that does an excellent job of reporting from Indian Country)....


 mano cockrum Says:

April 10, 2008 at 1:24 pm
She claims the metatron “visitation??? herself on the whirling rainbow website under the 64- languages of love course description. I believe its also on her biography there;
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/online%20language.htm

this has been a really good blog and responses, I am grateful there are so many ready to help educate others about this. i was the colorado coordinator for the longest walk 2 northern route (they just entered kansas after 4 weeks in CO), and will see you who are all going in DC.

ahee’hee,
mano....
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 11, 2008, 01:06:43 am
I'm happy to see people taking action, and further education coming in the wake of the protests. Great job, everyone who's working on this!

Here's where Holzwarth is promoting herself on YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/user/suraj1h

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 11, 2008, 03:09:11 am
email to mailto:admin@newtowntheatre.com
newtown theater newtown , pa
a total fraud is using your name in her schedule

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.0;all



http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm

she is not a DR.

she does not have a PHD

she is the dean of her internet school

there is no known location for her school

there will be a protest everywhere she goes

i do not see her listed in your sight

please confirm or denounce this person before you let her on your stage

every where she goes email them , flood there emails

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 11, 2008, 03:30:37 am
narmc.webmaster@na.amedd.army.mil <narmc.webmaster@na.amedd.army.mil>
sent a copy to
Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington, DC
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 11, 2008, 03:36:49 am
sent a copy to
Contact:  Soulutions For Daily Living
             126 N. State Street
             Newtown, PA 18940
             215-968-9750
             soulutions333@verizon.net
             215-968-9750
lets keep this going everywhere she goes
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 11, 2008, 04:01:45 am
White Eagle Medicine Woman came over to the spot on the gym floor near me where the policewoman had subdued her opponent. White Eagle Medicine Woman knelt down in front of him and tried to talk to him. There was a lot of noise, so I guess that very little communication, if any, happened. The police picked him up and started force walking him towards the exit doors.

She noticed that his blood was on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her right hand around on the little red puddle. Then she paused and rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin. Her actions were eerily calm, slow and deliberate, in great contrast to the commotion and noise around us. She was not speaking.

she put blood on to that drum
now it has to be burned for shure
im now sending this to OSHA it will be confasated and burned

Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington, DC

White Eagle Medicine Woman came over to the spot on the gym floor near me where the policewoman had subdued her opponent. White Eagle Medicine Woman knelt down in front of him and tried to talk to him. There was a lot of noise, so I guess that very little communication, if any, happened. The police picked him up and started force walking him towards the exit doors.

She noticed that his blood was on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her right hand around on the little red puddle. Then she paused and rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin. Her actions were eerily calm, slow and deliberate, in great contrast to the commotion and noise around us. She was not speaking.



this make this drum a bio hazard it needs to be taken  and burned

this blood is from

April 4, 2008, 7:00 - 10:00 PM, at Chapman Middle School 1051 Commercial St., East Weymouth, Massachusetts

i am sending a copy of this report to the board of health



Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 11, 2008, 08:24:59 am
More comments posted:

Comments posted....


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Martin KnifeChief Says:

April 10, 2008 at 9:47 pm

This is very interesting as I have heard about this person selling
our ceremonies, or copies and using our sacred items in some kind of
new-age rituals while charging alot of money. ALL of these kind of
people must be shut down! They say they have a right to do it, I say
what right? We are not a side show to be exploited by these cons. Our
sacred objects are not a joke! We are not dead, we are very much
alive and using our sacred things the way our Creator intended. This
is our land, we demand respect!! These people show no respect for us
or our things. They show no respect for our land, destroying more and
more each day for greed. They kill our buffalo that roam on their
original migratory patterns. They wipe out our prairie dogs for more
shopping centers. They steal our images, poison our water, ruin our
air. No, these people must be stopped, their drums silenced, their
pipes broken. I am a warrior of the Lakota and I have spoken my
thoughts. Aho!
Martin KnifeChief


And another:

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Dekanogi Ulogilv Says:

April 10, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Siyo Jay, in respect I say, as mother and grandmother such as this is
most hurtful to us all. We try to live our lives quietly and
respectfully, but our Sacred things, are not for sale. The young people
who protested, were very upset at seeing the Drum, being disrespected.
And it is sad such a beautiful Drum must be destroyed, but they are
right it must. Perhaps this lesson will help you, to help others
understand why it so upset our Peoples. Why it is important that our
Ceremony, and Sacred Items deserve to be shown respect. I pray it help
in a way to bring healing to us all, learning together that
those "selling" anothers Culture is a form of genocide.

Working together we can stop these people from stealing from all
peoples, ours, and yours. There are so many good words here of
sharing,i t could be this way if more were like you and would hear and
not "react", listen, then decide if it seems good to them or not to
hear our words. I send prayers we learn.

Siyo Hartman and Melanie prayers are being said that your side be
heard with caring ears!
many blessings granny

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NAU ~ Native American Unity Says:
April 11, 2008 at 2:11 am
I agree with Martin and Granny wholeheartedly…this kind of thing has
been going on long enough.

It is high time these things were stopped.

Since I am a traditionalist…I wont beat about the bush when I say Non
Natives have NO BUSINESS taking our ceremony and making it their
own….holay smokes…most of our own ceremonies and those of my people…
Non Natives are not even permitted to WATCH from a distance…nevermind
participate in! These people have NO SHAME! But, yes…some of our
ceremonies Non Native are permitted to participate in…but does that
mean they should take them for their own to make a profit?? Heck no!!

No money should EVER be charged for ceremony….this takes away the
true meaning! This belittles the ceremony and leaves it laced with
greed! Our people have NEVER been paid in money for ceremony…only
ever in a gift…my fiance works his butt off hunting and fishing to
provide our elders and holy men with these `gifts'…money is not the
way!…and that is as it should be!

This just highly annoys me…even to view the pictures of this woman…
you know…we deal with people like this daily…and after the tenth Non
Native selling ceremony in a day…well heck it gets a little much…
these people have no respect for our people or our ways….they pretend
they do…..while they are exploiting us for a profit…but its only ever
been about money! Well I intend to hurt this woman in her pocket
book….we will gather many…and are in the process of doing…to protest
EVERY `ceremony' she conducts for as long as it takes!

As long as our people lay down and allow this to happen….it WILL
continue……its TIME TO STAND UP!!

Tsissy (NAU)

There is also a group on MySpace called "NDNs Against Spiritual and Cultural Genocide"

http://groups.myspace.com/NDNsAgainstSpiritualandCulturalGenocide

Who are also making others aware....I have also posted there...

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Posted: Apr 11, 2008 1:40 AM
There is an extensive thread in NAFPS:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.newnew

Also...this woman and her ’work’ is highly spread across the board there....many people have asked many questions....see also:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1580.0

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=360.0

The Yahoo group American Indian Injustice is also dealing with this..

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Indian_Injustice/

The simple fact that this woman smeared the blood of a protester onto the drum raises many questions alone...not to mention the sale of ceremony...the mixture of our ceremony with a drum inlaid with crystal skulls...the mixture of our ceremony and many other practices....has she permits for her use of feathers....is she paying tax on the money she ’collects’....I could go on and on....it seems everyone she has mentioned....who has either taught her...given her their blessing...hired her...etc etc...knows NOTHING of this woman! Either they are simply ASHAMED of her actions....or she does not speak truths.

In short...this woman needs to be stopped...and if the only ’peaceful’ way to stop her is by contacting every single venue she is listed at...and making it known that there WILL be Native Protesters...there WILL be NDN Media present...that this woman IS basically committing cultural genoicide for a profit....then perhaps those ’hiring’ her will reconsider. There are MANY ’real’ ndn people out there who will be more than willing to replace her and her fake ceremony....FREE of charge!

I expect this to be ongoing....but I can assure you...we at NAU will not rest until EVERY venue has been cancelled....we have over 19, 000 members...and if it takes every member to make phone calls...send emails....whatever it takes...we shall do it! I hope and pray all others who are disturbed by this woman and her actions....do the same.....because as long as we sit back and ALLOW such people to continue....THEY WILL!! It is time to STAND UP....and let our voices be heard!...only as a body of many people joining together...can we make changes.
Unity is the way!

With much respect,

Tsissy (NAU ~ Native American Unity)


My task today is to contact as many ndn radio stations...ndntv as possible and get this out there....and I thank everyone here who are willing to stand up and be heard on this matter.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on April 11, 2008, 02:59:12 pm
Tsisqua

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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:55:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Native_American_ Unity" <nativeamericanunity_office@yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: grandfraud drum
To: "melanie roderick" <melanie.roderick@gmail.com>

You have our total 100% agreement and support. We at NAU ~ Native American Unity are a body of 19,634 Native People...and we are in the process of having as many of this 'womans' ceremonies cancelled as possible...the ones we cannot 'persuade' the venue holders to cancel...we shall attend in protest with Native media coverage...until this woman is stopped!

I don't want to pull this thread off topic, and this is probably a misunderstanding - but - I was under the impression "Native American Unity " was a new internet group that just recently started ? I had the impression it had maybe 20 members. Maybe Tsisqua could PM me or one of the moderators explaining what NAU is and how we can confirm this group of over 19,000 Native members actually exists. Maybe I missed something !

Something is mixed up and I hope it's me... I wouldn't want anyone to be mislead by information posted here ...

When this is cleared up,  I will edit this post to reflect this.


Again , I am sorry to pull this off topic.

(edit ; more discussion of Tsisqua's NAu group is in the link below)

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1674.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1674.0)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 11, 2008, 03:43:14 pm
Email from Melanie Deetz regarding charges....

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From: "melanie roderick" <melanie.roderick@gmail.com>
To: "Native_American_ Unity" <nativeamericanunity_office@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: grandfraud drum
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:35:24 -0400

wunee mahtopan
thank you
the charges are for Hartman assault and battery on a police officer and intent to commit a crime with a weapon
Dylan has assault and battery and the two women, Nicole and I, have disorderly conduct and trespassing
both A&B s are bullshit Hartman sort of wrestled with the cop over the dance stick he was carrying but didn't put his hands on her and Dylan only pushed one person, who was choking Hartman by pulling on his necklaces.


Just out of curiosity, did you contact anyone from Walter Reed Hospital in D.C.?  I emailed the organization whose hosting her in Michigan with the address of the blog, had any luck with them yet? A friend suggested trying to get as many folks as we can to bombard these hosting organizations with emails. What has worked well for you so far? I want to do anything I can, so let me know if I can help your efforts in any particular way.         Mel


Added on:

I have just received this and thought you may all find it interesting...

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From: WESAINADV@aol.com 
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:13:18 EDT
Subject:  Fwd: regarding the drums on whiteeagle's web page
To: nativeamericanunity_office@yahoo.com

Thought i would do a little research on these people and thought you would find what they said to me interesting.
 
In The Spirit of Crazy Horse,
Kat


On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:55 AM, <WESAINADV@aol.com> wrote:

I am interested in maybe getting one of the drums for a woman drum here in kentucky,  i was going to get a taos, but found these interesting.
 
what tribe are you enrolled in, and same for whiteeagle?  As I generally only use vendors who are part of the native american arts act.  As I am enrolled cherokee. 
 
thank you.


Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:07:49 -0400
From: "Tymoreye' Elliot" <tymoreye@gmail.com>
To: WESAINADV@aol.com
Subject: Re: regarding the drums on whiteeagle's web page


Thank you for your questions and care to support meaningful arts. I am sixth generation Cherokee mixed blood and am not eligible for registration. White Eagle is not registered either as she is representing many cultures along with her Seneca connection. We would be honored for you to gift one of our drums but given your focus I would have to say that taos would be a better choice.
Many Blessings,
Tymoreye

Tymoreye' Elliot
GrandMother Drum International Peace Project
Graphic and Performance Artist
PO BOX 2656
Palmer AK 99645
907 715 4411

 

Another posting to White Eagle....

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Posted by: "wintersong blackwell-sonntag" wintersong1@yahoo.com   wintersong1
Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:43 pm (PDT)
This is the letter I sent to that White Eagle Medicine
Woman website:

Osiyo,

I am Maraya Winter Song. I am
Tsalagi/Saponi/ Aymara/Taino, yet my principal people
are Tsalagi (mother's line). I have viewed your
website site. Question: What does the Kabbalah and
Chakra's have to do with Native American beliefs? The
Kabbalah's origin is among the Israelites; Chakras are
of Eastern Asian system. Please explain yourself.

My grandmother was a Medicine worker, as well as a
registered nurse and midwife. She taught me many
things, because I was born with the veil over my eyes.
What I see here is not of goodness. You will have to
answer for this one day.

Because my Spirit does not sit well with you, I have
declined to attend the gathering in Newton (I live in
the Poconos region), and have told many of my loved
one's not to attend also. Selling spirituality is no
different than selling one's soul. And for what? A
piece of cotton and linen cloth, covered with ink,
which has no value. My Spirit is worth more than all
the wealth in the world. I have never charged for a
healing session nor a reading. And though I am not
opposed to learning and using other methods of
healing, I do not believe one charges those less
fortunate.

If your gift truly comes from the Creator, then you
should share it freely. Did the Creator charge you
money for you to obtain your gifts? NO!!!!

Wado,

Maraya Winter Song

I will also post up any responses given.

Some more thoughts....

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Posted by: "Sandie" agiya_dohi@yahoo.com   agiya_dohi
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:15 am (PDT)
I realize we are all related. That is good. What is not good is "dreaming" you are Seneca, claiming to have "permission" to perform Navajo/Hopi ceremonies from the LAKOTA! Good grief....... Husband said she was never given any such permission. How the heck can you get permission from the Lakota to perform Navajo/Hopi ceremony? And to top it all off, she's solid WHITE. And THAT, my friend, is why she thinks it is OK to steal! They have NO BRAIN and NO CONSCIENCE when it comes to $$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$

I'd like to smack her into the next millineum... ......dang, I'm mean today!

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Posted by: "sfalconclan1@aol.com" sfalconclan1@aol.com   sfalconclan1
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:29 am (PDT)
Only the Hopi, Pueblo, Navajo, Jicarilla, Lipan, and Chiricahua are related
as from the region of Taos/Picuris. We never gave permission for anyone to use our sacred teachings, especially some plastic shaman claiming First Nation Blood! We need to respect all teachings and learn the proper manner in their use- and religion should never be in the mix at all (Kabbalah, Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, etc.) because you cannot walk both paths. Plus, she has never spoke about seeing the "Sun Dog" sign, so to me she is a fraud!!!!! That is the true mark of a Rainbow Warrior according to the prophecy.

Steven "Lanza Volante" Fernandez


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Posted by: "MARTIN KNIFECHIEF" knifechief11@yahoo.com   knifechief11
Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:44 am (PDT)
The Lakota have not taught her anything. She has learned it from books and taken what she wanted to teach and make money with. She is all about frogskins and not true teachings of ANY of our people. Word needs to spread like a prairie fire and get her shut down!!!
Martin

Additional note: Moma_porcupine....I understand your queries...NAU has been running now for perhaps four months...and each day we have at least a hundred or more new people signing up to our mailing list which has slowed down....in our first few months we were bombarded with new members....but yes ,we have over 19,000 members to date...and it grows daily...we try to reach as many people as we possibly can...promoting causes...offering information via our site etc...helping where possible...If this were not so...please believe I would not post this here of all places...lol...before I opened NAU...we already had over 7000 members of various other groups which we incorporated into NAU...also our youth group...and NAIS....Native American Inmate Support...etc...if I can offer you any more information...please let me know and I will do my best to clear this up for you and anyone else

With much respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 11, 2008, 05:20:44 pm
I have just received this invite on MySpace...it seems someone has set up a fake page...in protest

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White Eag.. wants to be your friend!Stop this fraud! This user's full name: Rachel Holzworth    Send Message | View Mutual Friends

Some info from her page:

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"Rachel Holzworth may have a message, but she MUST STOP making a mockery of Native Americans!!"

Female
99 years old
PALMER, Alaska
United States

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White Eagle Fraud NDN's ask me to stop - I laugh at them

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About me:
This site isn't about hate - it is about RESPECT! YOU DO NOT AND CAN NOT STEAL ONE CULTURES SACRED CEREMONIES AND MAKE A MOCKERY OF THEM - AND YOU DO NOT - YOU DO NOT!! - CHARGE FOR CEREMONY. If Ms. Holzworth wants to prance around the world beating her drum and charging exorbitant prices for attendance, then fine, but the Native American Community INSISTS on the following: 1. Rachel - stop claiming Native blood...if you have Native blood, then anty up the proof. Thus far the Seneca claim to neither know you and they deny any affiliations you claim to have with them. The Native's up in Palmer tell us you've pestered them for years - pushed yourself on them to "be blessed by them" and they've been turning you away and shunning you. 2. Rachel - you must stop using Native ceremonies. A person does not claim another's culture, spin it and make a shameful mockery of it. Even the Pope has some credibility. 3. Rachel - stop claiming that you do what you do to honor the "Native American in your heart". We are far from honored - *that's why we want you to stop. Take the hint!* 4. Rachel - we've heard your message that you wish to 'promote world peace and unity'. Then why do you charge for this? Anybody who is TRULY in the know of Native American culture knows that to offer money for a healing is the biggest insult you can give. A TRUE healer and enlightened one NEVER CHARGES A CENT. In fact, the most powerful healers, the most enlightened beings exist in poverty. Rachel, you claim that you 'channeled these messages from Metatron (who is an Angel by the way). Okay, I can actually buy that as I know the power of dream. HOWEVER I think you either A.)woke up before he said "and you must do this from your heart, for your heart and not your wallet", or B.) as a true Wasichu, chose to ignore that. Rachel - you need to learn a lesson in RESPECT! When the Native people's who come to protest you using their sacred ceremonies, misusing feathers and making a mockery of their spiritual traditions, if you were a 'true healer and messenger' you would realize that you, the human white-woman, were obviously doing something that was going against those who you are emulating. A TRUE HEALER WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE, AND TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY! Flood her site and let her know what you think: http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/ Pass this on and shut this fraud and charlatan down - she claims to be respectful of Native traditions and is honoring them through this. RACHEL, WE ARE NOT HONORED!! WE ARE OFFICIALLY REQUESTING YOU STOP THIS AT ONCE!!

Grandmother Drum Global Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7n6LQfNAhQ

This page can be found at:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=368629610
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 11, 2008, 10:39:43 pm
She noticed that his blood was on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her right hand around on the little red puddle. Then she paused and rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin. Her actions were eerily calm, slow and deliberate, in great contrast to the commotion and noise around us. She was not speaking.

she put blood on to that drum
now it has to be burned for shure
im now sending this to OSHA it will be confasated and burned

I woke up this morning thinking about this. The more I think about what she did, the more it creeps me out. She's placed a piece of this man on her fraudulent mockery. You know, I think this veers into scalps on eBay territory.

Maybe she did it so now she can say she "has Native blood."

sickening.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 11, 2008, 10:50:19 pm
Yes...it was a disgraceful act....and I'll tell you something else I just come across that is disgraceful...

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WHIRLING RAINBOW PROPHESY "These white-eyed children will be a sign that the Ancestors are returning in white bodies, but they are Red on the inside...

http://uk.360.yahoo.com/profile-A2QOKiEmYrI8XRgiTxddZrcZZyU-?cq=1
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 11, 2008, 10:56:18 pm
Yes...it was a disgraceful act....and I'll tell you something else I just come across that is disgraceful...

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WHIRLING RAINBOW PROPHESY "These white-eyed children will be a sign that the Ancestors are returning in white bodies, but they are Red on the inside...

http://uk.360.yahoo.com/profile-A2QOKiEmYrI8XRgiTxddZrcZZyU-?cq=1

As if we didn't already have abundant proof this woman is a racist.

Basically, "white people are the REAL NDNs." Add that to her parading around in her fake NDN regalia and we've moved beyond racism into cultural genocide.

BTW: Mods, Isn't it time we move this woman to Frauds?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 12, 2008, 12:25:07 am
My mistake...I presumed the statement had come from the Whirling Rainbow as in "White Eagle Medicine Womans Whirling Rainbow"....but on looking for the quote elsewhere I find it in actual fact comes from the page below...please see link...which is actually the Manataka American Indian Coucil....since the woman who posted this quote as her blast on 360 is an avid supporter of White Eagle...I presumed this is where she obtained the said quote. My apologies  :-[

http://www.manataka.org/page495.html

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 12, 2008, 12:49:07 am
That's Jami Sans stuff which I think is Twyla Niatche granddaughter, but I may be mistaken. Manataka will post anything. They use to sell Hopi Prophesy  Mugs.  Moved Holzwarth to frauds. As far as the blood goes the woman is weird, there no telling, should have reported her to the health department.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 12, 2008, 12:52:57 am
I think dabosijigwokush has...

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this make this drum a bio hazard it needs to be taken  and burned

this blood is from

April 4, 2008, 7:00 - 10:00 PM, at Chapman Middle School 1051 Commercial St., East Weymouth, Massachusetts

i am sending a copy of this report to the board of health


Im still shocked she smeared the blood on the drum...since she claims its the 'Grandmother' and 'sacred'....what a nutty thing to do

 
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 12, 2008, 01:08:52 am
That's good, never too late.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: RedRightHand on April 12, 2008, 04:31:59 am
As if things weren't bad enough, I found the most bizarre picture on her site here: http://whirlingrainbow.com/images/slideshows/us/galleryus.htm (http://whirlingrainbow.com/images/slideshows/us/galleryus.htm). Move the slider to the far right to get to the end of the pictures. The fifth from the end has a Tinky-Winky doll from the Teletubbies in the foreground, above the drum and in front of a group of drummers.

Stunning.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wolfhawaii on April 12, 2008, 07:51:19 am
I looked at the teletubby photo but i think it broke my monitor, I couldn't look at the rest (probably saved myself some grief).
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 12, 2008, 02:02:51 pm
Not only teletubby, but crystal skulls, wonder if she has ties to the Thunder Ranch.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on April 12, 2008, 03:03:46 pm
Hello RedRightHand. Just when we all thought it couldn't get any worse. I think it's be hard to compose a picture that better sums up the raison d'ètre of NAFPS.

Here's a direct link:

http://whirlingrainbow.com/images/slideshows/us/images/Tinky%20&%20Grandmother%20Drum.jpg
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 12, 2008, 03:21:25 pm
Dang....that is the oddest thing I ever did see! Crystal skulls...white hippy type new agers banging a ceremonial drum...and Tinky Winky...well heck!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: RedRightHand on April 12, 2008, 08:39:13 pm
Hello RedRightHand. Just when we all thought it couldn't get any worse. I think it's be hard to compose a picture that better sums up the raison d'ètre of NAFPS.

Here's a direct link:

http://whirlingrainbow.com/images/slideshows/us/images/Tinky%20&%20Grandmother%20Drum.jpg


Hey Barnaby, thanks for providing the direct link to the pic! And I agree the pic epitomizes the raison d'ètre of NAFPS. There's something incredibly horrifying and infuriating about the juxtaposition of the toy figure with the drum that just encapsulates this kind of Newage attitude. The crystal skulls are just as bad (or worse in some ways) but for some reason the toy just gets to me on a more visceral level. Perhaps because it is visually such a completely artificial and manufactured image.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 12, 2008, 09:56:28 pm
Playing NDN, playing with toys, dressing up like an NDN, dressing up as a superhero, I think it's all the same to them. What a horrifying state of mind! They even have some scary stuff on there about how some white woman in Australia gave them an "Indian" doll... that they now use as some sort of ceremonial fetish to symbolize how much they're helping actual Native Americans. Right. By banging on the GrandFraud Crystal Skull drum. Sickening.

A really sad thing is that I read in one comment from someone who checked out her "prayerformance" [sic] that they went because they "wanted to know more about Native American culture." Because most people don't investigate when she claims to be Seneca, they assume she's in a position to represent something of which she is totally ignorant. And she sure does all she can to make them believe they should treat her as a representative.

We all need to be emailing and calling every place this woman plans to perform. Oh, and, just saying, in that slideshow you can also see the vehicles and box trailer they use to haul the bloody GrandFraud drum around. It's orange and covered with a tarp. Just saying...
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 13, 2008, 02:46:43 am
http://www.soulutionsfordailyliving.com/womens_empowerment_weekend.htm

http://www.soulutionsfordailyliving.com/
this is the sponcer for this so called event
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 13, 2008, 02:52:39 am
CONSULTATIONS with EAGLE SKYFIRE
Sunday, April 27- 10:00AM - 3:00PM......$50 (20 mins) $70 (30 mins)

Eagle Skyfire is a shaman with the Caney Circle who is well versed in Spiritual matters. Consultations or Readings as they are also called, are done in the Traditional Native American way as they have been done for thousands of years. No cards or candles are used, but rather a blessing is performed with a Prayer Fan. This blessing cleanses the person's aura and "pierces the veil" between this world and the next allowing the shaman to listen specifically to your Spirit Guardians and to hers. According to Native American beliefs, the Great Spirit gives us all Life Lessons to learn, but how we express them is up to us. Individuals have Power over their own lives and destiny. The consultations will focus on your Life Lessons, the different Paths ahead of you, and the Energy that surrounds you. With this knowledge, you can empower yourself and make you own best decisions.

this guy is at the soulutions for daily living
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 13, 2008, 03:07:56 am
Suraj Holzwarth AKA White Eagle Medicine Woman on YouTube:
 

suraj1h

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iO66TQlY7Ok/default.jpg)

Style: World
Joined: 18 August 2007
Last Login: 3 days ago
Videos Watched: 26
Subscribers: 33
Channel Views: 1,031

White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth) is the director and DrumKeeper of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project. She is an international renowned shaman, seer and performance artist of Seneca and Celtic descent. Her CDs include Journey of the Heart and Songlines of the Soul. She is the director and co-producer of the newly released documentary film GrandMother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart. She is also the founder and director of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and the Rainbow Fire Dream Institute in Palmer, Alaska.

White Eagle's voice has a primal and mesmerizing quality, penetrating to the very heart and soul of our indigenous connection with each other and the earth. White Eagle's dynamic performances are well known for transforming the hearts of all involved, leading audiences in unified action on global issues of world peace, racial reconciliation, environmental stewardship and earth sustainability.
www.whirlingrainbow.com

Formation Date: 05 June 2001
Record Label: Rainbow Fire Dream Studios
Label Type: Independent
Influences: Brooke Medicine Eagle, Indigo Girls, Enigma, Deep Forrest, Yolanda Martinez
City: Palmer, Alaska
Hometown: Wantagh, New York
Country: United States 

http://uk.youtube.com/user/suraj1h



She has three videos:

GrandMother Drum White Eagle
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iO66TQlY7Ok

Earth Pledge
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJALev8aVQ&NR=1

Grandmother Drum Global Heart
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h7n6LQfNAhQ



I left comments on all three videos.

Have also left a couple comments on the Weymouth newspaper.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 13, 2008, 03:38:03 am
i just contacted the local tv stations and informed them there will be a protest at the newtown pa event
there responce was "is this woman crazy"
we shall see
in pa a tempory commitment can be done it you act out of the mental norm\danger to others or your self
its called a 302 commitment 72 hours intake evalaution
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 13, 2008, 11:30:03 am
I have not seen anyone comment about the ashes of her cremated friend; who died 13 days after a snake bite in Australia, that are supposed to be in the drum.
I think we all agree this woman is sick.  Her "Dream" that she is Seneca reminds me of "My Great Grandmother was a NDN Princess".  Her true heritage ,at least this is what she told the Unitarian Universalist Church when she was in Chatanooga Tennessee this year is Jewish and Celtic; so can we stop aluding to her Seneca heritage and call it like it is she is NOT NATIVE at all.  She is nothing but a carpet bagger. 
I would also like to clarify that the gentleman who reported the blood smear was not a supporter of hers but was merely reporting what he saw.  It is his report of this event that finally brought to light who she REALLY is.  I have been researching her for months now and responded to this gentleman immediately after his post.  I have come to find him honestly sympathetic toward the true Native Spirituality and aghast at this fraud.
Also I would like to hear from more Hopi, Navajo or Shoshone regarding their culture and traditions so we can debunk her before she continues to perpetuate this fraud.
If there are any lawyers out there can she be stopped under PL 95-341?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 13, 2008, 03:04:17 pm
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I have not seen anyone comment about the ashes of her cremated friend; who died 13 days after a snake bite in Australia, that are supposed to be in the drum.

I did not know this....dang! Crystal Skulls and ashes! Holay Smokes!

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I would also like to clarify that the gentleman who reported the blood smear was not a supporter of hers but was merely reporting what he saw.  It is his report of this event that finally brought to light who she REALLY is.  I have been researching her for months now and responded to this gentleman immediately after his post.  I have come to find him honestly sympathetic toward the true Native Spirituality and aghast at this fraud.

This thread was by no means posted to raise question regarding the man who reported...Mr Jay Fulton....and I hope that impression was not given...I have also read Mr Fulton's comments and find him as you state above. This was posted to show what this woman is capable of...and that we must act. Without Mr Fulton's words...we would not have had the information needed...his words are appreciated....but I only speak for myself.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 13, 2008, 03:20:16 pm
I would also like to clarify that the gentleman who reported the blood smear was not a supporter of hers but was merely reporting what he saw.  It is his report of this event that finally brought to light who she REALLY is.  I have been researching her for months now and responded to this gentleman immediately after his post.  I have come to find him honestly sympathetic toward the true Native Spirituality and aghast at this fraud.
Most people have known Holzwarth was a fraud long before she visited Weymouth or Jay Fulton ever heard of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation or the Grandmother Drum. While he has permitted everyone to post freely on his blog and listened to everyone's comments, his initial blog about the event was less than favorable to the Wampanoag demonstrators. It is the many people who have commented on his blog who have educated Fulton, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 13, 2008, 03:37:34 pm
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It is the many people who have commented on his blog who have educated Fulton, not the other way around.

I have also noticed this while reading the comments made on Mr Fultons page...and as I said in my post...I only speak for myself.


This is the contact info for Suraj should anyone wish to contact her...I expect 'trying' to educate this woman would be a great task indeed...if even remotely possible...yet I feel she needs to hear from many people regarding the great wrongs she is committing.

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Suraj Holzwarth, DrumKeeper
The Whirling Rainbow Center
P.O. Box 110224
Anchorage, Alaska 99511-0224

Phone or fax Alaska Office: 907-336-7439

West Coast Office: 707-477-4246

Email: RainbowDream@Chugach.NET
URL: WWW.WhirlingRainbow.COM

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 13, 2008, 06:26:30 pm
GRRRR I am soooooo angry right now since reading this:

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From the Chattanooga Free Press, March 2, 2008

The Grandmother Drum represents the heartbeat of humanity, according to drum keeper White Eagle medicine woman.

“One drum, one heartbeat, one family, one Earth,??? is how White Eagle, born Suraj Holzwarth, describes the seven-foot diameter drum.

About 1,500 strips of wood form the kettle-shaped drum that is in Chattanooga as part of an international tour for peace.

“The drum is a living, beating symbol that Mother Earth is our one country, that love is stronger than fear and that peace and freedom are the birthright of all humanity,??? the drum keeper said.

Not only is the tour dedicated to peace, both within individuals and among the world’s nations, it also aims to heal past hurts, White Eagle said.

“We have walked on many sacred lands,??? she said. “This drum tour is an undoing of the suffering for souls who walked the Trail of Tears."

More than 100 people gathered at the Unitarian Universalist Church heard tales related to the drum’s seven-year touring history, learned about American Indian lore and joined in a tribal drum circle.

“For nine months in the womb we hear the drumbeat of our mother’s heart,??? said Rita Burrows, of Vancover Island, British Columbia. “People are looking to connect their heartbeat with the rest of the world."

That drumbeat — that heartbeat — was the central element of more than four hours of New Age prayer/performance Saturday afternoon.

“I really felt a lot of energy from it,??? said Ray Minkler, of Monteagle, Tenn., after resting his hands on the buffalo hide drumhead.

Pat Bridges, of McDonald, Tenn., described the Grandmother Drum sound as “the heartbeat of the Earth??? and said participating in Saturday’s event was part of an ongoing 30-year spiritual journey.

The drum will be used during the 11 a.m. service at the Unitarian Universalist Church this morning, according to Suzanna Alexander, coordinator for the Grandmother Drum tour in Chattanooga.

In addition to a 10,000-year-old Mayan Fire Ceremony that is being held this afternoon at the church, White Eagle on Monday will visit Ross’s Landing, The Passage and other Cherokee related sites downtown before visiting Red Clay State Park, site of Cherokee government from 1832 until the Trail of Tears in 1838.



Well UNDO THIS White Eagle...

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Tears from the Heart!

She sat on her heels rocking gently back and forth, soft, sweet lullaby surrounding her and the tiny child she holds close.

The riders who came upon the scene were touched so deeply inside, a picture of love that words can never speak, and no painting ever capture.

Too late they saw, for warning,though that was their intent, the village was destroyed, the woman, the only living thing in sight.

Torn down or burning, were the lodges of the families who lived here, trampled and leveled the crops they had planted with such care.

Bodies were strewn like carelessly broken toys, bloody scene of war, where once peace had walked, shocked surprise was there on every face upon the ground.

A little boy of maybe three lay as if sleeping, but when they looked closely, his ears and thumbs were missing, even the hardest warrior was sickened.
 
Madness was the only word their unbelieving minds accepted, there is no way a sane human would do these things to another human, especially children.

Quietly they approached the woman, wondering how she had escaped the slaughter, near her lay the body of an older woman, bone splattered scull exploded by a bullet.

As they came closer they saw she was blood covered, all down her front ran the blood of the baby she was holding, the side of his tiny perfect head was missing.

Days it took to calm her down, and hear of the horror, she had been in the woman's place when the screaming started, afraid to leave, afraid to stay, but she needed to find her baby.

Her mother had her baby, who was two months old and had been bringing him for feeding, when the settlers rode them down and killed them.

These men had been here before, and told those who lived here they must move, these lands were theirs they said, given to them for service to their country.

You must go away by order of the Great White Father, our war against the English has been won and these lands are our payment.

Our headman stood against them, told them they were mistaken, our people have lived on these lands forever, they were given by Creator.

Angry and yelling, faces red with frustration, they swore they would return and the soldiers would clear the way for their families.

She looked at her kin as they stood and listened, how can they take our homes and kill our people, who gave the right to do this, to their Great White Father?

Written By Granny (A Cherokee Elder)

Note: The ears of our children were sliced off and strung on strings and sold by length! The thumbs of our male children were too sliced off and sold!! And this is just 2% of all the Cherokee people suffered during the Trail Of Tears....how is this woman going to remove and undo the suffering of our people??!

Sorry but this just makes me livid!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 13, 2008, 07:15:06 pm
I thought people here may find this interesting...as WOZ makes some valid points although many we already are aware of...posted on MySpace Bulletin...from the page..

http://www.myspace.com/woz53 

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From: WoZ (Nituhkuyin Mahikan Mist.. iguso)
Date: Apr 13, 2008 10:15 AM

First let me state that I have read both sites and have formed my own opinions on both. And throughout this, that’s what it will remain. My opinion.

I held off posting anything on this subject, to give me time to research and form an informed opinion. I did not want to jump into the fray half cocked and make any statements in the heat of the moment. This is what I have come up with.

On the blog page of White Eagle Fraud, "Dear Friends" I think it was stated very clearly. The argument here is not whether this woman should be allowed to hold her ceremonies, but rather that she be honest about them. The drum is not the sole property of one tribe or nation. It a universal instrument that has been used by all nations since the beginning of time. She has every right in the world to use her drum to promote peace and harmony. But she needs to be honest about her intentions. She is not representing Native Americans or any other indigenous nation. But she is in fact imitating them. And this is where she starts to go wrong. While although nowhere can I see where she claims this to be a sanctioned or recognized traditional ceremony.

She implies such by way of her made up background and her regalia. This in my opinion is out and out fraud. It would really be no different than me dressing like a Doctor and offering to perform surgery. Even if my intentions were good. It would be fraud. Or if I dressed like a Priest or Rabbi and offered to conduct Sunday school classes. Of course charging a slight fee for tuition.

That’s fraud. And I can assure you that churches would make a point of stopping me.

She reminds me very much of the TV evangelist who claim the power to heal. Of course again for a slight fee. I have often wondered why it is that if these devout people of God were given such a gift that there is still a need for doctors and hospitals. See my point here.

Now for a little detail. I have looked through her entire web site. And other than where she performs ceremonies on inanimate objects, who attempts to heal waterways or mountains.

I can find nowhere where she or organization performs any charitable works. Yet she claims to be a 501(c)(3) . How can that be? Let’s look at what a 501c3 is.

Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

Doesn’t seem to fit, does it. Hmmm perhaps the IRS should check into this.

Next, clue as to her deception is the fact that she has to tell people she is a healer, a shaman and she had visions and that she is “Part Indian???
When was the last time you found a true healer or medicine person advertising themselves that way. And when was the last time they charged you.

Did any of them sell DVD’s or CD’s ?
Got any medicine man T-Shirts, jewelry, drum making kits, an official medicine pouch?

From her page :

The Mission

The Whirling Rainbow Foundation is an international spiritual and educational 501c3 organization which honors and celebrates the diverse cultural and spiritual paths of the human family. The foundation cultivates the universal teachings of inner peace, loving compassion, wisdom and understanding at the core of every culture and spiritual tradition.

Our mission is to awaken the spiritual intelligence (divinity) of the heart of humanity, manifesting the full potential of the human spirit to co-create a world of unity, love and peace with the self, family, community and the earth. Through its own projects and working together with like organizations, the Whirling Rainbow Foundation celebrates all paths to wholeness through the universal languages of music, dance, cultural, visual and healing arts.

And then this:

We have received numerous requests from people wanting to travel the entire USA Tour with us and particpate in all the ceremonies, workshops and healing sessions. The GMD USA Tour begins February 8, 2008 in Loveland, Colorado and will close in Vancouver Island, Canada on July 6, 2008. A discounted cost to join this transformational journey with all venues, weekends and healing sessions of our five month tour is $3666 if paid before Febraury 8, 2008.

You must provide your own transportation, food and lodging. Contact our office for details.

Again, it doesn’t seem to fit.

And what exactly is she teaching?
Well this is one of her lesson plans:
These 64 Lessons will be taught directly by the Ascended Master Metatron through White Eagle Medicine Woman. Metatron's teachings are like a laser, giving us detailed guidance and clarity on the next level of awakening our fullest Divine Potential by activating the soundscapes of our Prismatic Fire Light Body in communion with the Dream of Mother Earth.

The Language of One: 64 Lessons of Metatron: Seventh Wave begins February 14, 2008.

$333.00

And who is Metatron ?

Metatron (Hebrew ?????? or ???????), is the name of an angel in Judaism and some branches of Christianity and Islam. There are no references to him in the Jewish Tanakh (Old Testament), Christian Scriptures (New Testament), or the Quran, though he is mentioned in a few brief passages in the Talmud, the Jewish Oral Law. Metatron appears primarily in medieval Jewish mystical texts and other post-scriptural esoteric and occult sources. In Rabbinic tradition he is the highest of the angels and serves as the celestial scribe, though there is no consensus as to his genesis, nor as to what position he should best be understood to have in the Christian hierarchy of angels, if any.

So why isn’t she dressed like a Rabbi, or Mullah or a Priest?
Because they don’t sell. Indians sell !!!. Because we are somehow mystical and romantic.

We wear pretty colorful regalia and dance real nice. And all those people and their followers can pretend to commune with nature through us. Funny though, I don’t see a lot of them rushing to the rez to get their commodity cheese. And I don’t see anywhere where this good native woman(note sarcasm here) is rushing to any rez with a helping hand, other than helping herself to traditions that are not hers.

So my point in all of this is:

I respect this woman for what she is. A masterful charlatan, a first class sales person. And who knows, possibly a good person who wants peace. But she is not representing me, or any other person who knows and RESPECTS indigenous traditions. She is no different than mascots.

You can not be honoring someone, if they tell you that they are not honored by your actions.

So I give my full support to White Eagle Fraud’s page and ask that White Eagle Medicine Woman cease and desist her portrayal of a representative of any Native nation.

Give back any eagle feathers she may have.

And apologize to all she has offended by here actions.


Wolakota
Nituhkuyin Mahikan Mist..iguso
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 13, 2008, 10:18:29 pm
Has anyone else who wrote the promoters of today's performance in PA heard back?  I have yet to receive a reply.

Does anyone have updates on what happened today? (The debacle was scheduled for this morning.)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 13, 2008, 10:26:40 pm
We have heard nothing back as of yet...nor has any of the protesters as far as I am aware....and nothing has been posted yet either. If I hear of anything I will post it up though.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 13, 2008, 10:45:49 pm
Here is a link to an article written by Suraj, some of you may be interested in reading about Amrahla North, whose ashes are inside the drum, two spirits, that of the drum and that of Amrahla together, now Hartman's blood on top of it all. 
www.echo.net.au/archives/18_08/pdf/p06.pdf
or google Amrahla North
You tell me what is right.
In answer to some of the other replies posted here, there is on page 1 of this site, I think, a link to a delaware news article regarding her "medicine doll" and how one man described to his children that this is what real natives are like.  Sorry I do not use nor approve of dolls being used in ceremony, nor have I seen them at any ceremony I have been to, not even a teletubby.
Then there is the bit about the Unitarian Church in Chatanooga, contact them yourself, she told them she is NOT NATIVE and is in fact Jewish and Irish, yet her website claims she is Seneca Metis and grew up in New York.  She told the audience in Weymouth she was Seneca, yet spoke of Natives in the 3rd person, not first as would any native I know it would be I, we, us, our, not they, their, etc.
She has told people she was given permission to do HOPI, NAVAJO, MAYAN ceremony using CHEROKEE MEDICINE by PINE RIDGE on a drum made by ATHABASCANS, blessed by the CHICALOONS, (albeit they are ATHABASCAN) now how does this all make sense?
So is she a fraud, I think so, at least a liar as proven by her own statements. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 13, 2008, 11:05:55 pm
OOPS, sorry, I meant to also say that Metatron is the Arch Angel of ANger and Vengance, he is very hard to find and is thought to be Enoch as mentioned in the Old Testament.  Definitely not the person I would want someone going into a trance to offer me guidance but for $222.00 (strange she uses numbers in multiples) she will lay on the floor and go into a trance to have Metatron give guidance.  OK so the Arch Angel of Anger and Vengance is the one giving guidance, yeah that is what I want for sure.  NOT!!!!!!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 13, 2008, 11:07:29 pm
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White Eagle Medicine Woman aka Suraj Holzwarth, aka Rachel Holzworth, is 'illegally' using Golden Eagle feathers in her costumes and performances. She is also shown in her video's 'smudging' with Hawk feathers.

You can view these video's via Youtube link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iO66TQlY7Ok

Another illegal activity....posted by a protester...this is the whole message:

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Date:  Apr 13, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject:  UGENT AND ATTENTION - REPOST AND EMAIL!! 
Body:  *Thanks to Wanbli for doing the footwork on this one, Pearl for the Gov't link!*

Go to this link:

http://www.fws.gov/le/ContactUs.htm

Send Fish and Wildlife a message and let them know:

It has been brought to my attention by the Native American community that this woman who calls herself 'White Eagle Medicine Woman' aka Suraj Holzwarth, aka Rachel Holzworth, is 'illegally' using Golden Eagle feathers in her costumes and performances. She is also shown in her video's 'smudging' with Hawk feathers.

You can view these video's via Youtube link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iO66TQlY7Ok

You can contact her people @

The Whirling Rainbow Foundation c/o Suraj Holzwarth
Po Box 2822 Palmer AK 99645
907 745 5636 Office
thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com

Her next appearance is scheduled is April, 20 2008 10am- 1pm

Walter Reed Army Medical Center

6900 Georgia Ave.

NW

Washington, D.C.

20307-5001

Phone: 202-782-3329

Thank-you for looking into this matter

Is there ANYTHING real about this woman?? I fail to see how she has been permitted to continue this injustice for so long.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 14, 2008, 12:05:00 am
You need victims, like people to complain that they have been defrauded.  The rest of it is difficult. Maybe Wildlife. They got one in Mississiippi fairly recent who was selling herb mixes on the internet advertized to cure all ills + some.  Well they didn't work, people complained  to the Better Business Bureau, after enough complaints it was turned over to the FDA. And they finally got him. The stuff was very pricey also from what I heard. It's harder to get these people investigated as many do not many complain and then they have to do their own investigations. This woman has been looked at for at least 4 years or more. If there wasn't a market for it, she wouldn't be around. We know she is a fraud, apparently the ones paying the money to see don't, or they just see it as entertainment. And that may be the people that are attracted to this don't want to see it. That's what makes it a problem as far as stopping them.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: D.J. on April 14, 2008, 01:12:08 am
You can join up at www.myspace.com/istealfromndns

This is a site created for people to join up and gather in a voice.  Then the moderator will take the site directly to this white woman and show her what the Native people are trying to get her to hear.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 14, 2008, 09:12:55 am
The problem is she has been told.  When she was in Weymouth she stated to the audience that it has happened before "She said that she had been challenged before, more than once, by medicine men and chiefs who don’t view her drum, and her rituals as authentic. She talked about being confronted by an aborigine fighter in Australia (I’m not making this up)." Yet still she goes on and the g0vernment does nothing to stop it, of course this is what we have seen for generations now. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 14, 2008, 09:37:10 am
By the way if you check into her fee schedules you will find she diverts the money from her 501 c 3 (where she gets tax right offs and matching grants for her travel, etc. you have to break even at the end of the year to be a non profit 501 c 3 and with what she charges she couldn't do that) to her Alaska Wellness Organization or one of her other organizations. I would imagine she then puts in enough to cover half her expenses so our taxes pay the other half and she travels the world filling her pockets with the money she gets paid to the tune of $2500.00 or 60% of the door take whichever is greater + 100% of the merchandise sold.  Pretty good take I would bet, cinsidering the Host organization has to pay the expenses of the performance.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 14, 2008, 01:16:44 pm
From what I gather...this is already being looked into by many concerned people...

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Many are questioning the validity of White - - Woman's non-profit 501(c)(3) which raises the question - if she's raking all this money in, where is it going? Let's keep close tabs on this one...does anyone out there privy to the fine details of tax law - or better yet, do we have a tax lawyer in the house...?

The above is taken from the bulletin post of the MySpace Protest Group/page 'White Fraud Eagle'...  www.myspace.com/istealfromndns  which is a group of people...including the original protesters (Deetz etc) who have thus far worked immensly hard to stop White Eagle in her tracks....and are succeeding!

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We'll keep an eye this one, I've been told that all functions in OHIO have been shut down (thanks Kim), next stop is at Walter Reed - That's Fed territory - now is the question: will she or will she not bring her feathers to her ice capades show....

Through many people pulling together.... White Eagles venues are being cancelled one by one... many calls are being made...many emails are being sent in protest..and to raise awareness to those who are 'hiring' the services of White Eagle.

Also since White Eagle is in possession of Eagle feathers....many reports have also been passed on to Federal Fish and Wildlife....which is also still ongoing..

There are so many things at question...White Eagle may have been told she was in the wrong before..and she may have met up with protesters before...she too may feel she is above being held accountable for her actions by our people for the sale and theft of our ceremony...and perhaps in those previous situations, the right actions were not taken...it is difficult to know what to do for the best...and we all learn something new daily on dealing with these matters....but I am in hopes that through a combined effort of many people...action will be taken against her this time.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 14, 2008, 01:47:14 pm
Getting tax write offs and matching grants through fraud is something the IRS would be very interested in knowing about, and would affect her nonprofit status. I suggest as many people as possible contact IRS investigators.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=136337,00.html
"Persons who suspect tax fraud can call the IRS at 1-800-829-0433."

Also
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
 
If you suspect or know of an individual or company that is not complying with the tax laws, you may report this activity by completing Form 3949-A. You may fill out Form 3949-A online, print it and mail it to:

Internal Revenue Service
Fresno, CA 93888

If you do not wish to use Form 3949-A, you may send a letter to the address above. Please include the following information, if available:

Name and address of the person you are reporting
The taxpayer identification number (social security number for an individual or employer identification number for a business)
A brief description of the alleged violation, including how you became aware of or obtained the information
The years involved
The estimated dollar amount of any unreported income
Your name, address and daytime telephone number
Although you are not required to identify yourself, it is helpful to do so. Your identity can be kept confidential.

Frequently Asked Questions - 1.13 IRS Procedures: Reporting Fraud

How to Report Abusive Tax Promotions and/or Promoters:
Complete the referral form which documents the information necessary to report an abusive tax avoidance scheme. The form can be mailed or faxed to the IRS address and fax number on the form.

How to Report Abusive CPAs, Attorneys or Enrolled Agents:
Report suspicious actions by tax professionals to the email address of the IRS Office of Professional Responsibility.
 
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If anyone knows of any other ways to report, please post them.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 14, 2008, 01:53:07 pm
I hope you dont mind....but Ive just passed this info on to many people who are trying to stop this woman...

I also just read the following...

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Just an excerpt and question from this previous post..... Don't you just wonder what the $3666 covers if you have to pay for transportation, food & lodging? Tell me someone isn't making a fortune here.....

We have received numerous requests from people wanting to travel the entire USA Tour with us and particpate in all the ceremonies, workshops and healing sessions. The GMD USA Tour begins February 8, 2008 in Loveland, Colorado and will close in Vancouver Island, Canada on July 6, 2008. A discounted cost to join this transformational journey with all venues, weekends and healing sessions of our five month tour is $3666 if paid before Febraury 8, 2008.

You must provide your own transportation, food and lodging. Contact our office for details.

This woman is literally raking it in!...Im sure the IRS have much to do here.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 14, 2008, 02:05:33 pm
Yep, it takes a long time to shut these people down. I well know she is aware, as people have been on her from the beginning.  Has anyone talked with Walter Reed? Has Wildlife (DOI) been notified  about the feathers. Does anyone have some files or records that can be turned over to the IRS about her funds?  The problem that is frustrating to everyone is you can shut them down here, and they pop up again elsewhere. It's good to so-call hit them in the pocketbook.  Has anyone written their Congressional Representatives or even talked with them about these people? The long term solution is long and hard and very slow. If you look at Brook Medicine Shield, she even has a statement from the Crow Nation disclaiming her, but someone put up a post again that a Congressional website opens with a quote from her. How many responded to that post and wrote the Feds? Al put up a post on Harley Swiftdeer about his military background and a site for fraud, and the FBI to notify. How many followed through with that? If any did it can still take forever for them to investigate, and that is if they chose to do this. Probably depends on how many actual complaints they receive. Then you have to think how much do you want the Government drawn into our affairs? Maybe you can use what is already there, but that is complicated and drawn out. There is no instant answers, is all I am saying, and that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 14, 2008, 02:19:29 pm
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Has anyone talked with Walter Reed?

From what I am aware from the postings of others...yes...although I do not have details...but I can obtain them

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Has Wildlife (DOI) been notified about the feathers.

Yes...via many people....this is still ongoing and constant reminders are being sent out via many groups etc

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Does anyone have some files or records that can be turned over to the IRS about her funds?

I have no idea about that...but its an idea that needs to be put out there and worked on if the IRS are to take this seriously.

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Has anyone written their Congressional Representatives or even talked with them about these people?

Yes...this I have also seen posted...on Saturday this was raised I believe and many took on the task.

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Probably depends on how many actual complaints they receive.

I would like to think that if all people are following through...then action will have to be taken.

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There is no instant answers, is all I am saying, and that is just my opinion

I appreciate your words and your very valid points made...and it helps put things into perspective...there is still much to be done...and persistence is key...thank you.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: D.J. on April 14, 2008, 04:00:39 pm
PLEASE NOTE:

THE OHIO SHOW HAS NOT BEEN CANCELED, IT HAS BECOME A PRIVATE EVENT - so protesters must stay outside, but PROTESTERS MUST STILL MAKE A SHOWING!!

thank you
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 14, 2008, 05:22:27 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 14, 2008, 05:36:07 pm
PLEASE NOTE:

THE OHIO SHOW HAS NOT BEEN CANCELED, IT HAS BECOME A PRIVATE EVENT - so protesters must stay outside, but PROTESTERS MUST STILL MAKE A SHOWING!!

thank you
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Has anyone spoken with the local newspapers to tell what the protest is about?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Raven2 on April 14, 2008, 05:38:23 pm
One of the things I do IRL is powwow drumming, and all that entails - the cermonies, powwows, singing, staying clean of drugs and booze, respecting and caring for the protocols involved, ... - I consider myself a "newbie" still, going on 3 years of doing this, and from what I know, that drum would have to be destroyed, put in a fire. The person's ashes should be brought back to their family so they can take care of their loved one.

As for her other "tools" (makes me sick to my stomach to think of what she's doing with those things), they need to be taken away from her.

I won't echo things that have been already said here, but I do feel the same way about those eagle feathers (if they're real).

This person has to be stopped. I'm glad to hear of the effect people are having on her events, and the event location hosts are canceling out on her.

Someone else said it can take a long time to stop these fraudsters. It can, but they'll be stopped. Like someone said, I forget who now: "eyes on the prize", that being people like this White - - Woman getting stopped.

simon
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 14, 2008, 05:48:58 pm
I checked and yes the tickets for the Ohio event are still for sale, but it is in Whitehouse now at the Rock & Ridge Community Center
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Susqueh on April 14, 2008, 06:02:01 pm
I took the liberty of calling this morning Walter Reade Hospital in Washington, DC and advised them that this group, if they are proclaiming to do Native American ceremonies, is NOT Native.  And that if they are carrying Eagle Feathers that is against the Federal Laws.  This group was supposed to do a healing ceremony at Walter Reade Hospital.  I also advised the Walter Reade Hospital that the Game Commission has been notified. 
 
I mentioned that if they were  stating that they were Native American,  the ceremonies they are doing are blasphemous, disgustikng, and entirely against Native American Traditions.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on April 14, 2008, 06:18:51 pm
This was just bulletined..


I JUST got off the phone with Fish and Wildlife and:

THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED, WILL LOOK INTO THIS - OPEN AN INVESTIGATION ONCE THEY VIEW THE VIDEOS/PHOTOS AND FOLLOW THE LAW TO THE LETTER!!!

AND he commented that "we've gotten so many emails regarding this woman and this issue that the people obviously feel very strongly about this and their coming together on this is commendable"

YOU CAN ALL CLAP AND FEEL GOOD FOLKS - WE DID THIS TOGETHER!!!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 14, 2008, 06:44:05 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Raven2 on April 14, 2008, 07:55:18 pm
If it's a "Grandmother drum", that drum shouldn't be leaving her community, according to powwow culture and protocols; that said, she's not Native/NDN, nor does she follow that particular culture, so I don't know how that would be relevant... just thought I'd pass that along anyway.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 14, 2008, 08:00:09 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 14, 2008, 08:57:59 pm
The transport of cremation varies from country to country. Some you have to have permission from the Consulate. I do know here UPS and FedX will not transport due to possibility of leakage. But cremations are considered movable property and although normally no risk is involved if container sealed. That is unless there were radioactive implants or the like. If not in sealed container, a mask is advised. I don't think a drum would be a sealed container.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 14, 2008, 10:26:31 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 14, 2008, 10:51:36 pm
That's where the problems lies, you don't know. Anyone that would smear someone's blood on a drum has a problem. She really creeps me out. I think I will check with Walter Reed and see how they feel. There is probably nothing viable due to length of time, but would be interesting if they would consider it contaminated.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 12:10:46 am
Ohio is NOT shut down yet.... her venues are being made PRIVATE instead!!! To TICKET HOLDERS ONLY!

I spoke Audrey Stone a few hours ago, as I have read in a few places ...that this event was closed and I also read of other protesters speaking with her to which she had confirmed this event was STILL taking place...so I wanted to hear her own words to see if this was so....since I know many protesters who have bought tickets...JUST to get in the venue to protest...etc

Ms. Stone has confirmed..although in a highly hostile manner (to which she slammed down the phone!) that this event is NOT open to the public...but to ticket holders only...as it is a private performance. PERFORMANCE indeed!

Anyways....this is the info of White Eagles event in Ohio...and I suggest many contact the director in protest....

Maumee River Water Blessing Ceremony
May 11th @ 2:00 - 5:00 - Advanced Tickets Only - $33
Ostego Park Stone Hall Grand Rapids, Ohio.

Director: Neil Munger nmunger@wcparks.org 419-353-1897 ext. 103

http://www.woodcountyparkdistrict.org/


Also perhaps contact Ms. Stone...although be ready for her hostility...I guess I was not!

Ms. Stone 419-478-6143 or audreystone@sbcglobal.net

With respect,

Tsissy

There are so many ways White Eagle is in the wrong here...and I think as a body of people...if we raise each concern and take it to the party who deal with that specific issue....and keep on doing it until they get sick and tired of hearing from many...she will be stopped. Persistence is key. I know Fish and Wildlife have received many calls and emails...and will continue to do so...also every upcomming venue is being repeatedly contacted by many...by many concerned Native people....and I also know the IRS have received many 'nudges'...I know we all have a long way to go on this issue and have much information to gain still...but I do believe it can be done! Everyone is working very hard on this matter...and even though the circumstances are not good ones...it makes my heart glad to see so many people standing together.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 12:56:13 am
We were told the Ohio venue had changed location, she was quite polite to us, but then we acted like we knew nothing about the White ... Woman.  We were told it would be held at Rock and Ridge Community Center in Whitehouse, Ohio that they were still going to try to get Ostego Park but did not hold much hope out for that location.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 01:38:26 am
I dont know anything about that...its not what myself or many others have been informed...interesting though.

I know there will be many gathered at all venues made private...to protest outside...in a good, humble and respectful way.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 02:12:51 am
Ive just received this notice and feel its very important that people who are making calls read this...

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   White Eagle Medicine Woman Fraud
 
Date:  Apr 14, 2008 7:00 PM
Subject:  EXTREME IMPORTANT - READ THIS NOW 
Body:  PLEASE PUT AN IMMEDIATE STOP TO CALLING AUDREY STONE:

"She has an autistic child and the number is her home phone number and her son picked up the phone and was lashed out on and he didn't understand why people are mad at him and does not understand and became emotionally uncontrollable for a while"

WHEN OUR ACTIONS INTERFERE WITH AN INNOCENT, WE MUST TAKE ANOTHER APPROACH.

PLEASE HONOR THIS, OR WE ARE NO BETTER THEN WHITE WOMAN

Thank you
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 03:22:56 am
The May 11 GRANDMOTHER DRUM at Otsego Stone Hall has been cancelled. For more information, please contact Audrey Stone at 419-478-6143 or audreystone@sbcglobal.net 

http://www.woodcountyparkdistrict.org/EVENTS/calendar_of_events.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Diana on April 15, 2008, 04:05:13 am
Hi all, it looks like the Grandmother Drum has been canceled, but the same parks department is holding one of those wannabe powwows. Scroll down to read the last sentence about no politics and policing. Hmmm....I wonder if they've had trouble before...LOL

http://www.woodcountyparkdistrict.org/EVENTS/Events4%20-%20Pow%20Wow.htm

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 09:59:18 am
If you call and express interest in the event, you will learn the event is now being held at Rock & Ridge Community Center in Whitehouse.  If you call and express your true feelings about this fraud you will get nothing.  It is better to show respect and then demand the respect be shown to you, as my grandfather taught me.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 11:15:10 am
I have been hunting for this information for weeks again now, and I finally found it.  This is something I had seen and if you look around her Whirling Rainbows enough, you will find she has her payments made to this organization, but here is the info copied from http://www.alaskawomensnetwork.org/groups.html
  Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation offers year round wilderness education and spiritual empowerment programs for girls and women to explore and deepen their relationship with themselves, with others and with the earth in a supportive and nurturing atmosphere. Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation moves into the next decade and the new millennia with the mission to awaken, honor and celebrate the divine feminine voice of leadership for the healing of the Earth and all beings.
Contact: Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation, P.O. Box 773556, Eagle River, AK 99577; Ma Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth) at (907) 688-2226; 1-800-770-2226 (in AK); fax (907) 688-2285; e-mail akwow@alaska.net.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 02:55:45 pm
Just letting you know of some updates:

Posted by Diana:

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Apr 15 2008 6:09 AM

UPDATE ON OHIO EVENT!!!!
I just received a phone call from Neil Munger, the Wood County Park District Director. He informed me that the event being held at Otsego Park was now 'taken care of', and that it would not be happening at their Park. Let me add this background information: I spoke with Mr. Munger yesterday afternoon. As I put in the blog about Ohio, Mr. Munger and the Wood County Park District have always been very open and respectful to us in the native community. They have provided the park and much assistance over the years with the Perrysburg Powwow that is held there. When I spoke with Mr. Munger yesterday afternoon and again voiced my concerns about this event being held on May 11th, he informed me that they had ceased their co-sponsorship of the event once they became aware of the concerns from the native community. They wanted no involvement. However, he was under the impression that was the end of it.
I informed him that I had been told by a close source that Ms. Stone had told them that she had the park reserved by a friend of hers under another name, and that way they could still hold the event there, and get around it. I informed Mr. Munger of what I had heard. He checked, and yes, the day had been reserved by another person. He informed me that he would check on things--especially with this new information that he was not aware of--and would get back with me. Per his phone call to me this morning, that is what had happened. They had, in fact, reserved the park shelter facility in another's name. However, that now was taken care of. That reservation has been cancelled, and Mr. Munger has blocked that day off from being reserved by anyone. Let me add that I received a tip yesterday that Ms. Stone is looking at another venue in this area. I will follow-up on that also. You draw your own conclusions about Ms. Stone being an "innocent" person taking down names and reservation information only.

I'd also like to add. It would be nice for all that had contacted the Wood County Park District to recontact them and thank them for listening. :)

Here's the contact info to make it a bit easier:

Website for Wood County Park District:

http://www.woodcountyparkdistrict.org/staff_listing.htm

Director:
Neil Munger nmunger@wcparks.org 419-353-1897 ext. 103

Added: This was not posted by the member Diana on NAFPS...but on the Protestors Support page http://www.myspace.com/istealfromndns

I dont want to mislead anyone...so I thought it best to make that clear.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 04:04:03 pm
Went to Holzwarth's YouTube to see what else had been posted, or if she or any of her supporters had commented to the posts I made on the 12th. She deleted my comments on all three videos. Even Pete Homes AKA Beaver Bob didn't delete my comments when I was protesting his video of Caledonia and other racist videos he had. Suraj Holzwarth has made an enemy. I reposted and will continue to do so. Please go to her videos and make a statement.


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bls926 (14 minutes ago)
I left a comment on 4/12, but it's been deleted. Someone doesn't want the truth told. This is what I said: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman is a new age fraud. No one has the right to steal Native culture and spirituality, mix it up with whatever feels good, and sell it. Suraj Holzwarth and her Whirling Rainbows have no right to do what they are doing. She is not Seneca; she has no real ties to any American Indian community. Holzwarth is a fraud. These people need to be stopped.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 04:39:08 pm
Sent an e-mail to the Fish and Wildlife Service. Changed the above message a little. Included a second YouTube link. The one given didn't actually show Holzwarth smudging with the hawk feathers. Wanted to give the FWS as much info as I could. (Also corrected some spelling errors.)

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It has been brought to my attention by the Native American community that this woman who calls herself 'White Eagle Medicine Woman' aka Suraj Holzwarth, aka Rachel Holzwarth, is 'illegally' using Golden Eagle feathers in her costumes and performances. She is also shown in her videos 'smudging' with Hawk feathers.

You can view these videos via YouTube link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iO66TQlY7Ok
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h7n6LQfNAhQ


You can contact her people @

The Whirling Rainbow Foundation c/o Suraj Holzwarth
Po Box 2822
Palmer AK 99645
907-745-5636 Office
thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com


Her next appearance is scheduled for April 20, 2008 10am-1pm

Walter Reed Army Medical Center
6900 Georgia Ave. NW
Washington, D.C.20307-5001
Phone: 202-782-3329

Thank you for looking into this matter.

Bonnie Singleton
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 04:43:36 pm
Regarding comments being removed...many comments were made over the last few days here: http://whirlingrainbow.com/promo.htm  there's a section on the picture scroll...if you click on MORE....there is a comment section...now last night on my last reading there...there were 56 comments posted...all in protest...there is now only two...both in support of White Eagle.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 04:55:47 pm
I e-mailed the Fish and Wildlife Service 4/14 around 2:00 am.  Received a reply from them yesterday afternoon.

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Eagle and hawk feathers???
From: R9LE_WWW@fws.gov
Sent: Mon 4/14/08 3:45 PM
To:  bls926@msn.com


Dear Bonnie,   

Thank you for your message expressing concern about the use of eagle and hawk feathers.  Our mission is, working with others, to conserve, protect and enhance fish, wildlife, and plants and their habitats for the continuing benefit of the American people.
       
The Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act make provisions for Native Americans to obtain permits to possess eagle and hawk feathers that will be used for religious purposes.   

Permits to obtain eagle and hawk feathers are issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. Only enrolled members of a Federally recognized tribe can obtain a permit. The permit authorizes the recipient to receive and possess feathers from the National Eagle Repository for religious purposes

Your message will be forwarded to the appropriate law enforcement office for review.
                       
Thank you for your interest in our regulations that help protect fish, wildlife, and plants and their habitats.  Please feel free to respond to this message with any further inquiries that you may have regarding this matter
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 15, 2008, 05:01:29 pm
And Walter Reed has been informed of her, her drum and possible problems with it.  Now they alone have to deal with that.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 07:03:43 pm
Here is a link to her alluding to the Chickaloons having blessed teh drum, however Gary Harison Tribal Chief says that never happened and that they have torn down the house she had there because she is not welcome in their land

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OUQHT6V-2Yk

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 07:14:18 pm
bls;
their response was pretty non-commital wasn't it.  I hope you mentioned she has told the Unitarian Universalist Church she is NOT Native, but rather Jewish and Irish.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 07:59:17 pm
Wow! Deleted already! My comments from April 12th stayed up a couple days; now they're deleting them within a couple hours. Tried to leave another message, but it looks like she's disabled the Post Comment button. Was going to leave this:

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Left a comment on 4/12, which was deleted. Left another one this morning, also deleted. Someone doesn't want the truth told. Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman is a new age fraud. No one has the right to steal Native culture and spirituality, mix it up with whatever feels good, and sell it. Holzwarth and her group have no right to do what they are doing. She is not Seneca; she has no real ties to any American Indian community. Holzwarth is a fraud. These people need to stop.

GrandMother Drum White Eagle
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iO66TQlY7Ok

Earth Pledge
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJALev8aVQ&NR=1

Grandmother Drum Global Heart
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h7n6LQfNAhQ
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 08:09:21 pm
Found another video on YouTube about the Grandmother Drum from enlightenedfilms. Was able to leave a comment there.

Grandmother Drum - Awakening the Global Heart
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cp6eu1w-wDQ

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bls926 (11 minutes ago)
Suraj Holzwarth AKA White Eagle Medicine Woman has a YouTube account with three videos. I left a comment on each on 4/12, all three were deleted. Left another one this morning, also deleted. Someone doesn't want the truth told. Holzwarth is a new age fraud. No one has the right to steal Native culture and spirituality, mix it up with whatever feels good, and sell it. She is not Seneca; she has no ties to any American Indian community. She and her group need to stop what they are doing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 08:21:34 pm
It sure does seem White Eagle does not wish her followers to know the truth...she must be being kept VERY busy with all the removal of comments!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 08:24:13 pm
Another one from DrKavan; left the same message there.

GrandMother Drum in Tikal for Spring Equinox
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l6_Uw2w1d3E&feature
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 08:27:30 pm
HOLY COW   HOw many organizations can one woman belong too?  I guess it doesn't matter if they are all scams.  Check this one out.

http://www.butterflyspirit.org/about/board/mfawp_indigenous.html
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 08:40:50 pm
bls926...thank you for your persistence...Ive also posted these Utube video addressed for others to visit and make comments.

Half Wolf...this woman is EVERYWHERE....its crazy!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 08:46:03 pm
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Wow! Deleted already! My comments from April 12th stayed up a couple days; now they're deleting them within a couple hours. Tried to leave another message, but it looks like she's disabled the Post Comment button.
I guess it's just my IP that's been disabled. I see others are able to post comments on Holzwarth's videos, but I still can't. That's bad. Like I said before, Beaver Bob didn't even delete my comments or ban my IP. In hindsight he probably wishes he had. Not only was his Caledonia video removed from YouTube and LifeLogger, but he was banned from both. I can be very persistent.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 15, 2008, 08:55:03 pm
Half Wolf, Wildlife will do it's own investigation, and that will take a while. They never commit. Some of these organizations she lists are deflunk. She is a Honorary Elder of the Western Band of Cherokee, what is that. Turtle Tracks hasn't been around for a while. And there is reference to Brooke Medicine Eagle, that says a lot. There still are some comments not deleted, but she's not going to let anything stay up that might hurt her business. And that is a business/performance. She still gives me the creeps.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 09:16:14 pm
Drums of Peace
From: tonefreshwater

Added: 04 March 2008
at the 2004 Earthdance, Laytonville, ca. over 4,000 people gathered to form the worlds largest Drum circle led by Mickey heart. We were all blessed to have the Traveling 'Grandmother Drum' sponsored by Native Soul Productions at the EarthDance to add to the drums for peace.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQHT6V-2Yk&feature


First to add a comment.

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bls926 (3 minutes ago)
Suraj Holzwarth AKA White Eagle Medicine Woman has a YouTube account with three videos. I left a comment on each on 4/12, all three were deleted. Left another one this morning, also deleted. Someone doesn't want the truth told. Holzwarth is a new age fraud. No one has the right to steal Native culture and spirituality, mix it up with whatever feels good, and sell it. She is not Seneca; she has no ties to any American Indian community. She and her group need to stop what they are doing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 15, 2008, 09:31:10 pm
Well….it seems Rachel Holzwarth is guilty as ever of fraud. If this information is correct, according to the Alaskan Dept. of Commerce’s website the “Alaskan Women of the Wilderness Foundation??? founded by president Rachel Holzwarth (aka Suraj aka White Eagle Medicine Woman) was INVOLUNTARILY DISSOLVED March 3, 1999!!! It doesn’t exist legally as a non-profit corporation anymore.
https://myalaska.state.ak.us/business/soskb/Corp.asp?255869

Not hard to set up a bank account as Rachel Holzwarth dba (doing business as) Alaskan Women of the Wilderness Foundation.

Whirling Rainbow does exist legally so far, but went into effect in November of ‘04. This time registered to Suraj Holzwarth. The main office is listed as being in Anchorage.
https://myalaska.state.ak.us/business/soskb/Corp.asp?296160#

If anyone’s goin’ to see her I wonder how she would respond to asking potential bookings to send payments to a non-profit org that’s been legally dissolved for over 9 years.

There’s PDF copies of the paperwork filed for each non-profit available. Only one Biennial report ever filed for the Women of the Wilderness foundation and none for Whirling Rainbow.

In the case of the Women of the Wilderness foundation the PO box listed for payment on Whirling Rainbow remains the same. Holzwarth lists the PO Box as her address and the address of the foundation is the home address of one of the directors Karen Stulting (and most like Holzwarth’s home address as well)

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 15, 2008, 09:34:01 pm
Where does she claim to be a "Honorary Cherokee Elder"? we contacted the Cherokee and the Western Band is actually not even recognized by the Cherokee.  Needless to say the Cherokee are upset to learn someone is selling their medicine as she says on her website, so I would imagine they will take that on themself, however her fraud is something I have someone looking into so I need to know where this is published.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 09:36:17 pm
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She is a Honorary Elder of the Western Band of Cherokee

Well heck...I thought she claimed to be Seneca? What has she to do with the WBC? Dang...that just brings me back to her quote of healing the pain of the Cherokee people and the suffering of the Trail Of Tears....this woman is no good!

Anyways...I have just sent an email to the Tahlequah office to try to get someone from WBC to confirm the claim...

Here's the contact details if anyone else should like to do the same:

Cherokee Nation
Attn: (Department Name)
P. O. Box 948
Tahlequah, OK 74465
918-453-5000
(OK Toll Free) 1-800-256-0671

Also if you go to: http://www.cherokee.org/   there is an option to contact the office.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 09:44:47 pm
Superdog...I have passed this info onto to the many groups working on this who will look into the info...what good find!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 15, 2008, 09:45:48 pm
The website you put up butterflyspirit. scroll down to Advisory Boards. where Turtle Tracks is mentioned. She also claims to have been adopted by the Athabascan, Yupik and Aleut.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 10:03:56 pm
DANG! How many more!!?


For the Athabascan:

Council of Tribal Government (this was all I could find)
Contact: Ben Stevens Telephone: 907-662-2587 Fax: 907-662-3333


For the Yupik:

President = Ronald Wassillie

Vice-President = Raymond Wassillie

Treasure = Agnes Rychnovsky

Secretary = Gladys Askoak

Phone Number (907) 571-1410
Fax Number (907) 571-1537
Address :Newhalen Tribal Council
Newhalen, AK P.O. Box 207, 99606

 

And for the Aleut:

Eastern Aleutian Tribes.
Administrative Office.
3380 “C??? Street, Suite 100.
Anchorage, Alaska 99503.
Phone: (907) 277-1440.
Fax: (907) 277-1446

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 15, 2008, 10:25:42 pm
Another e-mail to the Fish and Wildlife Service.

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RE: Eagle and hawk feathers???
From: Bonnie Singleton (bls926@msn.com)
Sent: Tue 4/15/08 5:14 PM
To:  r9le_www@fws.gov

Thank you for your prompt reply to my e-mail. I should have given you more details. White Eagle Medicine Woman aka Suraj Holzwarth was born Rachel Holzwarth. She claims to be Seneca and Celtic. Don't know about the Celtic part, but she is not Seneca. In an earlier bio, she stated that she is Seneca because she dreamed she was. She is not American Indian, neither does she have ties to any American Indian community. She lies in her promotional videos, stating that she has the backing of Alaskan Natives and other tribes. She is a white woman who is guilty of cultural theft. I don't know how the eagle and hawk feathers came to be in her possession, but she has no legal, ethical, spiritual, or moral right to have them.

Please look into this matter at your earliest convenience. She is currently touring the United States conducting performances and making a mockery of Native spirituality. Her itinerary states that she will be in Israel from May 13 - 17 for the Spirit Film Festival in Tel Aviv and again June 6 - 9 for the Lev Tahor Sacred Music Festival also in Tel Aviv. If these performances are like the events she stages here in the United States, that means she will be taking the golden eagle feathers and hawk feathers out of the country. While many have waited years to obtain feathers from the Repository and have been jailed and/or fined for obtaining their feathers by other means, Holzwarth is able to do as she pleases. She feels no remorse at having stolen Native spirituality, mixing it with whatever feels good, and selling it. She obviously feels that she is above the law as well. She is not American Indian, but has sacred feathers. We are all very upset with what is going on. If there is any additional information you need, please contact me.
 
Thank you for your time and consideration.
 
Bonnie Singleton
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 15, 2008, 11:47:43 pm
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Apr 15 2008 4:00 PM
She once was the secretary of WRCF its a wican orgnization . She stole money from them and opened Church of the Iron oak in Palm Bay florida .A wican church Her husbands name then was Roger Coleman

The City of palm bay asked her to prove she was a church she sued them . It went all the way to the US supreme court. The city of palm bay won and she had to pay their legal fees $30,000 . She ran and left her husband to face the bills .

Now this is who this scammer is .. Get at her ...

The scammer has looong history of taking money. More info will be coming. got a goooood source on her .

Spread the word to all venues ...

google search

palm bay florida legal church of the iron oak


wanbli

Which would indicate White Eagles name used to be Jacque Zaleski

There is a picture of this Zaleski woman in The Magazine of South Florida, number 629, pages 8-13, October 29, 1995...but Im struggling to locate it to varify all of the above...can anyone help? All I can find is written articles...

http://www.ironoak.org/articles/titusvil.html

http://www.ironoak.org/articles/athans.html

http://forerunner.com/ccbc/X0018_Puritans_and_Witches.html

http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/states/az.htm

Way down near the bottom...

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Windtree's Summerland Monastery
An Eco-Village
Here in Arizona there are no zoning laws, no building codes, and the entire parcel of land that is WindTree was stamped tax-free on January 22, 1997. (I thought this was a great 50th birthday present). However, being so fragile, the land must be viciously protected, and as such, the requirements to permanently live here have to be very, very stringent.

We have had to spend countless hours agonizing over the legal requirements of Summerland, based not only on what we as individuals thought would be nice, but also over what the corporations stand for, what the monastery really represents, to us, to the Pagan community, and to the IRS specifically.

This is a serious spiritual, mundane, and legal undertaking...and asking for 1,240 acres of tax-free land is not a joke. Neither is asking to never again have money to spend as we would want. One does not take on a vow of poverty on a lark. We have had to put aside so much of our own emotions to do this job. Our Goddess has constantly tested us; She is present every day in all that we do, listening to all that we say.

Being out of the rush, rush life of a "normal American" makes me realize why the group I taught for years I called "Shaman's Trail"...the path of the Shaman. I relate to that path. I am a wounded healer. I am a Shaman.

This has been a real time of self-examination. Like Buddha, I have had to give up those I loved to take this path (the latest sacrifice was contact with my dear daughter and her family, whom I have always adored). Don also gave up things he loved. That's what commitment to our Crone Goddess means; strip away what you don't need so that rebirth can take place.

Please tell anyone wanting to read the requirements of Summerland Monastery that we will be happy to mail them if they just ask us for them.

In Her Service,
Jacque "Omi" Zaleski
WindTree Ranch

Facilitating Minister: Rev. Jacque Zaleski, MS
LandsKeeper: Don Mackenzie
Mail Forwarding Address:
Rural Route 2 Box 1,
Douglas, AZ 85607-9802
Voice Mail: 520-364-4611;
WindTreeRh@aol.com


http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=cases&id=1893

(The above you may wish to view the cached version)

www.rosencomet.com/starwood/starlist.html

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/realmofstorms/home/Chron/Chapter04-Paganism_WiccaandtheJudicialSystem.htm

http://www.summerlandmonastery.org/

http://www.summerlandmonastery.org/SM-main.php there are pictures here of this woman...but very small....but in comparason with her other pictures...there is a similarity.

Added: The telephone details etc for Wind tree ranch are:

Website: http://www.windtreeranch.org/Contact:
Jacquie or Don Mackenzie
4200 E Summerland Rd
Douglas, Arizona 85607-5271 United States
Phone: 520-364-4611

http://directory.ic.org/records/?action=view&page=view&record_id=2607

But Im presuming the ranch has been sold as I also found:

533 11th St.
Douglas, AZ 85607
Phone: 520-364-4611
E-mail: desertshaman@yahoo.com

Description: An internet service providing slow, sensitive, caring personal estate liquidation.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 12:27:41 am
Ive just heard that the Walter Reed event has been cancelled!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 16, 2008, 12:58:20 am
Good for Walter Reed. I not sure your are talking of the same person in Flordia as this woman.  Zaleski was 48 in l995 when all that Wiccan stuff was going on.  This woman is now 48 or 49 as she was 19 in 1979. She does claim to be a Priestess of the Strega Wiccan. And I don't know much about them, but didn't think you could be both. But she is multiple things anyway. Katherine knows more about that. These may be 2 different people. Need a lot more information.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 16, 2008, 01:13:40 am
Excellent about Walter Reed!

I did finally hear back from one of the PA event organizers, but it was only a vague question about whether I had personally attended the event, from someone named Honey.

I am skeptical about whether Holzwarth is the same person as Zaleski. The pictures of Zaleski are small, but to me she looks older than Holzwarth. I would like to hear more details and evidence from the person who believes they are the same person.

I remember reading in a number of newsletters about the Iron Oak court cases, and the large amount of mainstream press that surrounded the many-years long problems between Iron Oak and the local community, but it's been too long ago for me to remember if I saw a picture of her. I will have a friend dig through the zine archives here and see if we can find a picture. It would help if we could remember the name of their newsletter at the time. Maybe I can find it on the website.

Again, though, I am skeptical that it's the same woman.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 01:19:34 am
Im waiting on some emails to varify the info..I'll post them here as soon as I get them...but Id appreciate any info anyone else can find also.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on April 16, 2008, 01:58:59 am
There may be wiccans who take some of the practices from Stregheria, however, they can't be practicing Wicca and Practicing Stregheria.  the two don't meld.  But, from what we've seen of this one, she claims a lot of things that aren't possible. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 16, 2008, 02:25:34 am
someone in canada should aleart the border patrol to be on the look out for this drum
bringing  human remans,and  blood born pathagens will be stopped at the border
they will not care about the feathers
on the usa side they will care about all the issues

if we cant stop her then distroy that thing she calls a drum
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 02:48:22 am
I don't think Rachel Holzwarth and Jacque Zaleski are the same person. I've been trying to find something to connect the names, but haven't found anything. Did find some information which tends to prove they aren't the same woman.

On December 31, 1999 Jacque Zaleski was at WindTree Ranch in Arizona.

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A DAY IN THE HYPE OF AMERICA, a feature documentary filmed entirely on December 31st 1999, offers a savvy critique of the hype and hysteria that made the arrival of the millennium such an anticlimax. Set against the cacophony of the unrelenting media circus, the stories of four Americans take us back into the heart of the millennial zeitgeist. A DAY IN THE HYPE OF AMERICA unveils a shrewd commentary on the conditions which have turned America into a culture of fear.

Meticulously weaving interviews and news footage with the stories of a new age survivalist, a fake street preacher, a funk musician and a Lakota Chief, A DAY IN THE HYPE OF AMERICA brings to light some of the extreme lengths Americans were willing to go to in order to make sense of the approaching midnight.

In the dusty expanse of Southern Arizona, Jacque Zaleski, the eccentric leader of a community of Wicca survivalists, is putting the finishing touches on her eco-friendly ranch in preparation for Y2K. On the rainy streets of New York City, the notorious performance artist Reverend Billy, dressed in his signature White tuxedo, is lambasting the corporate highjacking of the millennium, to the delight of left wing activists who follow his every step. “Children, one of the wonderful things about the millennium, is the promise that Times Square will be destroyed.??? 1158 miles Southwest of New York, the funk musician Lawrence Harvey is lazily passing from barber shops to radio stations, promoting and preparing for his millennium performance with the Funk group – Iris May Tango. While on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota, the millennium is that last thing on Albert White Hat Sr.’s minds. “To us one hundred years ago is just like yesterday.??? Instead, the Lakota chief is focusing his energy on leading his community in a 40-year tradition – the New Years Eve Pow Wow.

A DAY IN THE HYPE OF AMERICA reveals the ongoing tension between the real experiences of the American populace and the regurgitated stories of mass media. Through the strength of these four emotionally charged stories, the films brings a glimmer of hope: that in the face of a monolithic consumer culture Americans can still find meaning in their own communities and their own stories.
http://www.globalgriot.com/films.php?id=1


On December 31, 1999 Rachel Holzwarth was in Anchorage, Alaska.

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[ November/December 1999 ]

Drumming In The New Millennium
by Ma Anand Suraj

The drum will belong to all the children of the earth and will bring the universal vibrational message of oneness with the theme: The Heartbeat of One Family, One Earth.  

"As We Drum, We Are One" is a theme the All One Tribe Foundation in New Mexico began to share three years ago with their vision of a global drumming event to celebrate the new millennium. For thousands of years, the drum has been the very heartbeat of community for the world's indigenous peoples. It has been used for rites of passage and ceremony, for celebrations of the seasons and cycles of life. At the turn of the new millennium, we are just beginning to remember and rediscover the healing power of the drum. The spirit and magic of the drum's universal vibrational language cuts through all ages, sexes, races, religions and cultures to bring the message of unity and oneness.

Anchorage 2000 New Year's Eve Celebration has caught the wave of the power of group drumming and is planning a drumming celebration to which everyone is invited! Anchorage 2000 plans to bring together the entire multi-cultural community of Anchorage to celebrate our unity and diversity through a year- long series of community events. The New Year's Eve event of "Drumming in the New Millennium" will celebrate drums and percussion from around the world. As Alaska is in the last time zone in the U.S. to turn the millennium, you are invited to join in this ecstatic celebration of world beat.

Anchorage 2000 has invited Alaska's Whirling Rainbow Center to share the Mother Drum at the New Year's Eve drumming celebration. Over the last five years, the Whirling Rainbow Center has held a dream of building a large drum that would travel around the world with a message of unity, peace and life. The Mother Drum Project is part of a vision of healing for all the children of Mother Earth for the next millennium.

The drum will belong to all the children of the earth and will bring the universal vibrational message of oneness with the theme: The Heartbeat of One Family, One Earth.

The Mother Drum will be the first universal drum of its kind. This large, eight-foot diameter, wooden, kettle-shaped drum, will be designed from the Mapuchas tribe from Patagonia in South America and Alaska Native peoples of North America. Since the Mother Drum is for all of Mother Earth's children, all native and non-native cultures in Alaska are invited to help with its making and first official use. The Anchorage Museum of History and Art has donated space so that the public can watch the birthing of the Mother Drum unfold. The Mother Drum building project is scheduled for September through December of 1999. The museum is also scheduling group drumming circles and drum making events to get us ready for the big night.

The Mother Drum will be initiated at a dawn dedication ceremony on Dec 31, 1999, at the Alaska Performing Arts Center in Anchorage. Later that evening, the Mother Drum will be broadcast worldwide as part of the Anchorage 2000 Night of Light, Drumming in the New Millennium celebration. Drums of all cultures will be invited and school children from all cultures will participate by making smaller "baby" drums. We will be asking children throughout Alaska to send us their poems, prayers and intentions for the next millennium. These will be hung as Rainbow Dream Flags from the Mother Drum and travel with her worldwide.

Anchorage 2000 expects as many as 20,000 people drumming at the New Year's Eve celebration. The celebration of our entrance into the new millennium will be guided by the heartbeat of the Mother Drum. From here, the Mother Drum will begin her worldwide travels. Many prophecies about the healing that might begin on Earth at the turn of the millennium referred to it as "beginning in the north and creating a healing wind around the world." The Whirling Rainbow Center feels that the Mother Drum Project is part of the fulfillment of this prophecy.

The Whirling Rainbow Center is recruiting craftspeople from the community to assist us in designing and making the Mother Drum. Specifically, we are looking for the following:

* Carvers, woodworkers, drum makers (or boat builders) and artists to give expertise on the design and making of both the drum base and drum stand.
* Skin Sewers to sew hides for the top of the drum.
* Hides to cover eight foot in diameter.
* Wood (Alaska Yellow Cedar) for drum base and stand.
* Seamstresses and sewing material for making the Rainbow Dream Flags.
* Funds and Sponsors to pay for supplies and artists.
* Video Production of the Mother Drum Project.
* Drummers, including women, men, and children from every culture to participate in the first playing of the Mother Drum on December 31, 1999.

For more information on the Anchorage 2000 events, contact the organizing committee at 907-258-AK2K or check out their website at www.anchorage2000.com

To get involved in the Mother Drum Project, contact The Whirling Rainbow Center at 907-688-2226 or email us at akwow@alaska.net. Come and celebrate with us the Heartbeat of One Family, One Earth for the new millennium!

Ma Anand Suraj has worked for over twenty years as an international healer, counselor, educator, ceremonial artist, and drummer. She is the co-founder and director of The Whirling Rainbow Center.

http://www.alaskawellness.com/nov-dec99/drumming.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 16, 2008, 04:47:30 am
On the inquiry into the illegal possession of Eagle feathers there's another potential smoking gun right on her website.  In the "store" under "other ceremonial items" one of her products is Smudge feathers (misspelled Smude..lol)  Next to the category is a picture titled "Other Ceremonial Items" with an Eagle feather.  It doesn't state clearly that she's selling Eagle feathers, but as a potential buyer wanting to buy smudge feathers I would be definitely be fooled into expecting an Eagle feather just like the one in the picture.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/ceremonial.htm

On a side note...all hands may be on deck at Whirling Rainbow.  The first time I checked the site it was stripped bare except for the home page.  Makes me wonder if the content is changing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 16, 2008, 05:16:35 am
Yep...the info was changed a little bit.  The added their own account of what happened at Weymouth, MA.  She's still accusing Hartman and others of being drunk and high at the time.  One line I found interesting written in bold letters in her account.

"When we are asked what tribe we come from, we are clear that we come from only one tribe, the Tribe of Humanity. Our Whirling Rainbow Foundation is a multicultural organization and promotes universal teachings of peace, unity and loving compassion that belong to all peoples"

Now ALL OF A SUDDEN because it's convenient to her....she's not Seneca...

 :-X
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: matt e on April 16, 2008, 05:17:20 am
I just checked the site, all pages seem to be working fine, i clicked on a buy button. They use paypal. Perhaps someone could get an Elder or Chief to contact paypal and let them know that these people are frauds.

 Paypal can be a bear to deal with, but if some one of sufficient status contacts them, they will suspend the account first, and ask questions later. It would be best to get people from different tribes to contact them. that will put an end to their online sales.












 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 05:53:30 am
The Whirling Rainbow Foundation

OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS
THE HEARTBEAT OF ONE FAMILY, ONE EARTH

White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth) Seneca Metis
President of the Board/ Program Director

Rande Bozelle: Cherokee Metis
Board Vice President

Kathyrn Farley: Iroquois
Board Treasurer

Tymoreye' (Samantha) Elliot: Cherokee Metis
Board Secretary, Program Contracted Artist

Other Project Contracted Artists:
Marge Bouwens- drum cases
Lindy Morningstar- medicine pouches
Lauri Calandri-medicine pouches
Joan Johnson- bead and featherwork
Leslie Kerr- beadwork, medicine pouches
Elenor Wilde- beadwork, regalia
Sandi Sturm, Alaskarama- web design
Brad Swenson- audio/video production

http://whirlingrainbow.com/board.htm

 

 


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 08:36:43 am
Some comments from White Eagles Newsletter:

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I attended the ceremony of Grandmother Drum in Ea. Weymouth Mass. on Friday night at the Chapman Middle School, and was mesmerized!  Unfortunately, the events were disrupted by a few who simply seemed hell bent on creating chaos. I got the word that there was a talking circle at 4PM today, for those of us who had attended, but I was unable to make it.

Although it was a disheartening way to end an otherwise joyful evening, I just wanted to tell White Eagle that her courage in the face of possible danger was impressive, and just reassured me that when you're doing the right thing, there is no fear in you; so perhaps the events that took place can be looked upon as a re-affirmation of continuing with this important project. There will always be elements that are beyond our control, and these elements will try their hardest to break the chain that Grandmother Drum Project is weaving, however. I think Grandmother Drum is an impressive force that will continue on her way around the world and draw to her the elements that will share and live her cause, and her mission will be accomplished in the reflection of changed lives.

My prayers and thoughts are with this project, and I will continue to monitor Grandmother Drum on her journey.  Please be lifted up by these prayers and thoughts.  I feel like my life was changed on Friday night, by the resounding beat of Grandmother Drum pulsing thru me, and it was my honor to be there. I will remember that night always, and if I get opportunity to attend another ceremony, I will most enthusiastically do so. In light, Love, and Peace- Sylvia daSilva???



“I find myself compelled to share my feelings of respect for you. I was in attendance at the prayerformance in Weymouth, MA on April 4. Although I was traveling and unable to attend your events on the following days, I appreciated the invitation. Your encouragement to integrate the unpleasant experience of Friday evening I found to be a sign of a true healer.

Every word you expressed that night was a healing unto itself. Your guides must surely be elated with your dedication and sincerity. I can only imagine this is not an easy task you have embarked upon, yet a highly noble one. Blessings be with you and Grandmother Drum.???Namaste, -Phoebe Sol


http://whirlingrainbow.com/newsletter.htm

I see she did not give BOTH sides of this event

Hartman and the other protesters were not drunk...nor were they under the influence of narcotics...this goes back to the mentality that we as native people are 'obviously' alcoholics and junkies in the eyes of the surrounding society....which bites like a big dog....and has NEVER been accurate....she's just using this 'false perception' as a means to finger point and to draw the attention away from what she's personally doing...as if to say "Oh it doesn't matter what they had to say...they were drunken Indians!! They were under the influence of drugs!"....well they were not...and they also went there to protest in a peaceful way....it annoys me how she twists the story...yet I guess we should not expect anything other.

bls926 I too share the opinion that the two cannot be the same person due to information on the net putting them in two different places at once....but many others are convinced they are...so I am still waiting on confirmation from Wanbli as to their sources...some highly strange pictures came to light last night also...ones I could not post here due to the content (Nude pictures, male and female...involved in some kind of strange dance/ceremony...one being White Eagle...not a good sight for the eyes)...I guess we shall see what comes to light today.

Matt e...I've contacted Paypal...as have others...but they have yet to act.

Superdog...she's going to do what all fakes do once caught out...she'll switch nation...you check on the nation she claims to be from...and find she is not...then she switches to another...apparently under the impression our people are dumbasses....the only dumbasses I see out there are the ones paying for her 'performances'...in all honesty...it matters very little what everyone can do to close her down...she'll come back as long as there are people out there willing to part with their $$$$$'s....she's made herself quite a profit thus far...this is easy money for her...she's going to do whatever it takes to continue.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 10:07:16 am
She has changed her site.  She now uses Pay Pal.  She was asking for payment by check to be made to her alaska women before. I wonder if Pay Pal is sending the money to the same account she was using.  If so do they know that organization was closed down 'involuntarily'?
Has the IRS been contacted and told she has not filed her biennial (twice yearly) reports? not even once.  Or that she (Suraj Holzwart) is the same woman (Rachel Holzwart)  who ran the Alaska women's foundation and only filed once in all the time she had it.  I forget the length of times, but it is on the links specified in one of the earlier blogs.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 12:57:10 pm
Here is a link with another video of her performances, keep in mind she told the Unitarians she was Jewish and Irish, almost everywhere she says she is Seneca Metis or Seneca and Celtic, in the Butterfly Garden Association she says she also has Italian and German heritage.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/mar/02/mother-drum-keeps-universal-heartbeat/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 01:15:13 pm
I must be up to early for everyone else, anyhow check this out.  It is listed under their "Native American" web page on this site.
http://www.consciousmindjournal.com/Articles/Global/The-Grandmother-Drum-Project-Is-Coming-to-Michigan.cfm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Ric_Richardson on April 16, 2008, 01:19:04 pm
Tansi;

Seneca Metis? Cherokee Metis?

Once again, it seems that some people are claiming to be Metis, in order to make claims to be legitimate Aboriginal people when they are found not to be members of the First Nation communities that they formerly claimed membership in.

Learn more about the Metis and you will find that these people are NOT Metis and do not represent us!  

Ric
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 01:26:15 pm
On the subject of Cherokee Metis.  Having spoken only yesterday to the Cherokee Nation, if you have lineage of just one ancestor you can prove as Cherokee on the Dawes Rolls, they will adopt you back into the nation.  So saying you are Cherokee or Cherokee Metis and not being in posession of a status card means you are probably lying through your teeth or a "My great grand mother was a cherokee princess" wannabe.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 02:22:08 pm
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/mar/02/mother-drum-keeps-universal-heartbeat/

Half-Wolf: Seems White Eagle is advertizing for her April 19th 'performance'...but there is an email option at the bottom of the page where many are now contacting.

Also...we've discovered this morning that White Eagle and Jacque Zaleski are in no way linked....so Im glad thats out of the way.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 02:42:16 pm
Has anyone checked with the Ostego Park in Ohio, lately, this is still listed on her site under her calendar.  See if this person's name comes up at the park.
Alchemy Productions Audrey Stone > > 419-478-6143 or email audreystone@sbcglobal.net
When we spoke with her (politely) she said it was moved to Whitehouse and they were trying to get it moved back to the Park.  It is shown on Sunday only at the Park though.

Mother Day Maumee River Water Blessing Ceremony
WhenSun, May 11, 2pm – 5pmWhereOstego Park, Stone Hall 20000 River Rd. Bowling Green, OH St. Rt. 65 & 235DescriptionMother Day Maumee River Water Blessing Ceremony > > Location: Ostego Park, Stone Hall > > 20000 River Rd. Bowling Green, OH St. Rt. 65 & 235 > > Cost $33 2pm-5pm. > > Children under 16 Free > > Host Sponsor: Alchemy Productions Audrey Stone > > 419-478-6143 or email audreystone@sbcglobal.net
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 03:07:25 pm
It seems this venue is going ahead from what we can gather...we did not have much success with Ms. Stone on the phone...and even though many spoke to her in a respectful good way...she became highly verbal on the phone and hung up.

But...there will be peaceful protests and media coverage outside any venues that go forward.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 03:14:00 pm
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/mar/02/mother-drum-keeps-universal-heartbeat/

Half-Wolf: Seems White Eagle is advertizing for her April 19th 'performance'...but there is an email option at the bottom of the page where many are now contacting.

Also...we've discovered this morning that White Eagle and Jacque Zaleski are in no way linked....so Im glad thats out of the way.

Someone has posted on a couple of the YouTube Grandmother Drum videos that Holzwarth and Zaleski are the same person. Zaleski's name is not given, but the information pertains to her not Holzwarth. Don't know who this is or if the comment can be deleted. Whoever made this comment should probably try to get rid of it. We don't want Holzwarth accusing us of slander or libel. It weakens our argument.

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VoicesHeard (15 hours ago)
Rachel Holzworth aka Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman was once the secretary for WRCF - a wiccan orgnization. She stole money from them and opened Church of the Iron oak in Palm Bay florida, another wiccan church. Her husbands name then was Roger Coleman
The City of Palm Bay asked her to prove she was a church she sued them. It went all the way to the US supreme court. The City of Palm Bay won and she had to pay their legal fees $30,000.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 03:34:57 pm
It seems this information was circulated last night as 'FACT' by some... and not as it was...'something that was being looked into'.

I also hope they can remove their posting....I brought the issue here as I myself was not convinced the two were the same and needed to get other peoples take on the matter....and I agree with you 100%...slander or libel charges or allegations...will not help in any shape or form.

Added note:

Ive just circulated the following...(Im almost sure the poster of this is from MySpace)

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If any reader here posted the following:

VoicesHeard (15 hours ago)
Rachel Holzworth aka Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman was once the secretary for WRCF - a wiccan orgnization. She stole money from them and opened Church of the Iron oak in Palm Bay florida, another wiccan church.
Her husbands name then was Roger Coleman
The City of Palm Bay asked her to prove she was a church she sued them. It went all the way to the US supreme court. The City of Palm Bay won and she had to pay their legal fees $30,000.


Could you please see if there is a way to retract the comment? As We are 100% certain Suraj and Zaleski are NOT the same person...it may hinder all our efforts if we were facing a slader/libel charge due to comments made.


With much respect,

Tsissy

Please Circulate.

Lets hope it can be retracted.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 03:38:03 pm
I have a question now.  I have been looking at several sites where she previously had information listed and now it is gone from those sites, where does this put us?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 16, 2008, 03:43:24 pm
Since the info she is removing has already been documented....and much of it is still out there also...(Could she BE on any more sites??)...I dont think this will hinder our efforts in any way...any government/tribal body has been provided with links...BEFORE her changes were made...personally I think this just shows her in a very bad light...but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 16, 2008, 04:11:02 pm
A good next move would probably to contact PayPal and let them know about her violations of their user policy (highlighted pertinent info in Bold):

From their user agreement:
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9. Restricted Activities.
9.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, or the Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, a User or a third party, you will not:

Breach this Agreement, the Card Processing Agreement, the Acceptable Use Policy or any other agreement that you have entered into with PayPal (including a Policy);
Violate any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation (for example, those governing financial services, consumer protections, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising);
Infringe PayPals or any third partys copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property rights, or rights of publicity or privacy;
Act in a manner that is defamatory, trade libelous, unlawfully threatening or unlawfully harassing;
Provide false, inaccurate or misleading Information;
Send or receive what we reasonably believe to be potentially fraudulent funds;
Refuse to cooperate in an investigation or provide confirmation of your identity or any Information you provide to us;
Attempt to double dip during the course of a dispute by receiving or attempting to receive funds from both PayPal and the seller, bank, or credit card company for the same transaction;
Use an anonymizing proxy;
Control an Account that is linked to another Account that has engaged in any of these Restricted Activities.
Conduct your business or use the Services in a manner that results in or may result in complaints, Disputes, Claims, Reversals, Chargebacks, fees, fines, penalties and other liability to PayPal, a User, a third party or you;
Have a credit score from a credit reporting agency that indicates a high level of risk associated with your use of the Services;
Use your Account or the Services in a manner that PayPal, Visa, MasterCard, American Express or Discover reasonably believe to be an abuse of the credit card system or a violation of credit card association rules;
Allow your Account to have a negative Balance;
Provide yourself a cash advance from your credit card (or help others to do so);
Access the Services from a country that is not included on PayPals permitted countries list.
Disclose or distribute another Users Information to a third party, or use the Information for marketing purposes unless you receive the Users express consent to do so;
Send unsolicited email to a User or use the Services to collect payments for sending, or assisting in sending, unsolicited email to third parties;
Take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure;
Facilitate any viruses, Trojan horses, worms or other computer programming routines that may damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or Information;
Use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy our website without our prior written permission;
Use any device, software or routine to bypass our robot exclusion headers, or interfere or attempt to interfere, with our website or the Services;
Take any action that may cause us to lose any of the services from our internet service providers, payment processors, or other suppliers;
Use the Service to test credit card behaviors.
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If anything with enough inquiry her account can get suspended while they investigate. 

I was also wondering if anyone would be interested in surrendering $25.00 to test and see if the "smudge feathers" she's selling are actually Eagle feathers as the picture on her site would indicate.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 16, 2008, 04:52:17 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 05:21:06 pm
It seems this venue is going ahead from what we can gather...we did not have much success with Ms. Stone on the phone...and even though many spoke to her in a respectful good way...she became highly verbal on the phone and hung up.

But...there will be peaceful protests and media coverage outside any venues that go forward.

Called The Center for Conscious Living this morning and spoke with Connie. She was under the impression that the event was still taking place at Otsego Park. In fact, she'd received an e-mail from Audrey Stone within the past couple days stating this. She was planning to put the announcement in their church bulletin. I told her that the Park website stated that the event was cancelled. She suggested that I call Audrey Stone.

Decided to call Otsego Park to make sure. Spoke with Mr Munger. He confirmed that the event will not take place at Otsego Park. The Park pulled their sponsorship a while ago. He also confirmed that after they cancelled Holzwarth's reservation, the facility had been reserved under a private individual's name. When he'd discovered this, he cancelled that reservation. I thanked him.

Just got off the phone with Audrey Stone. She confirmed that the event will not take place at Otsego Park. I told her I'd heard that it might be held at the Rocky Ridge Community Center; but when I called and talked to Connie, I'd been told it wasn't going to be there. Stone confirmed that it wasn't going to take place at Rocky Ridge and wanted to know where I'd heard that. I told her I couldn't remember who told me. She said that the Grandmother Drum is not coming to Ohio this year and it's doubtful for next year. Aghast, I asked "why?" She said she really didn't want to get into it, but there are "some internal problems".
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 16, 2008, 05:43:04 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 05:51:38 pm
That's what I thought, nighthawk. Don't know anyone who uses Iroquois, not even when speaking of the Confederacy. Haudenosaunee, Haude, Six Nations, 6Nay, but never Iroquois. That ranks right up there with the Cherokee Metis and Seneca Metis.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 06:55:23 pm
I actually just got into that with someone last weekend and had to explain the Iroquois is a confederacy made up of 6 different nations, the Seneca, the Mohawk, the Cayuga, the Onondaga, the Oneida and the Tuscorora.  These are the people whose confederacy  was used as the model for the original US democracy.  Now their nations are used by a scam artist and her entourage.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 16, 2008, 07:02:12 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 07:07:45 pm
Half-Wolf: Seems White Eagle is advertizing for her April 19th 'performance'...but there is an email option at the bottom of the page where many are now contacting.

What April 19th performance?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 07:12:32 pm
It is on her website as a private function at Walter Reed Memorial Hospital on APril 20th now actually, check it out pn her calendar.
www.whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 16, 2008, 07:13:31 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 16, 2008, 07:17:58 pm
It is on her website as a private function at Walter Reed Memorial Hospital on APril 20th now actually, check it out pn her calendar.
www.whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm

The private performance at Walter Reed has been cancelled.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on April 16, 2008, 07:30:33 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 08:43:41 pm
Here is the FWS act.

MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT
16 U.S.C. §§ 703-712, July 3, 1918, as amended 1936, 1960, 1968, 1969, 1974, 1978, 1986 and 1989.
Overview. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act implements various treaties and conventions between the U.S. and Canada, Japan, Mexico and the former Soviet Union for the protection of migratory birds. Under the Act, taking, killing or possessing migratory birds is unlawful.
Prohibited Acts. Unless permitted by regulations, the Act provides that it is unlawful to pursue, hunt, take, capture or kill; attempt to take, capture or kill; possess, offer to or sell, barter, purchase, deliver or cause to be shipped, exported, imported, transported, carried or received any migratory bird, part, nest, egg or product, manufactured or not. Subject to limitations in the Act, the Secretary of the Interior (Secretary) may adopt regulations determining the extent to which, if at all, hunting, taking, capturing, killing, possessing, selling, purchasing, shipping, transporting or exporting of any migratory bird, part, nest or egg will be allowed, having regard for temperature zones, distribution, abundance, economic value, breeding habits and migratory flight patterns. Regulations are effective upon Presidential approval. §§ 703 and 704.
The Act makes it unlawful to:   ship, transport or carry from one state, territory or district to another, or through a foreign country, any bird, part, nest or egg that was captured, killed, taken, shipped, transported or carried contrary to the laws from where it was obtained; import from Canada any bird, part, nest or egg obtained contrary to the laws of the province from which it was obtained. § 705.
Arrests/Search Warrants. To enforce the Act, authorized Department of Interior employees may:   without a warrant, arrest a person violating the Act in the employee's presence or view; execute a warrant or other process issued by an officer or court to enforce the Act; search any place with a warrant. All birds, parts, nests or eggs that are captured, killed, taken, offered or sold, bartered, purchased, shipped, transported, carried, imported, exported or possessed contrary to the Act will be seized and, upon conviction of the offender or upon court judgment, be forfeited to the U.S. and disposed of by the Secretary. § 706.
Violations/Penalties. According to the Act, a person, association, partnership or corporation which violates the Act or its regulations is guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to a fine of up to $500, jail up to six months, or both. Anyone who knowingly takes a migratory bird and intends to, offers to, or actually sells or barters the bird is guilty of a felony, with fines up to $2,000, jail up to two years, or both. (Permissible fines are increased significantly by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984, as amended in 1987, which is summarized separately in this Handbook.)
All guns, traps, nets, vessels, vehicles and other equipment used in pursuing, hunting, taking, trapping, ensnaring, capturing, killing, or any attempt on a migratory bird in violation of the Act with the intent to sell or barter, must be forfeited to the U.S. and may be seized and held pending prosecution of the violator. The property is to be disposed of and accounted for by the Secretary. § 707.
Miscellaneous. The Act should not be construed to prevent states and territories from making or enforcing laws or regulations not inconsistent with the Act or which give further protection to migratory birds, nests and eggs, if such laws and regulations do not extend open seasons. § 708.
The Act cannot be construed to prevent the breeding of migratory game birds on farms and preserves, and the sale of birds lawfully bred to increase the food supply. § 711.
In accordance with the various migratory bird treaties and conventions, the Secretary is authorized to issue regulations to assure that the taking of migratory birds and their eggs by the indigenous inhabitants of Alaska is permitted for their nutritional and other essential needs during established seasons. § 712.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 16, 2008, 09:14:20 pm
you may want to notice it is against the law to transport the feathers across state lines, let alone international borders.  We need the local FWS to be at one of her "Prayerformances", per the act all they need to do is see what they believe to be the feathers, although I doubt she will bring them into Ohio knowing how upset everyone is already.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 17, 2008, 12:55:17 am
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What April 19th performance?

It seems she's moved the April 19th venue to the 20th...could this be inaccurate? A smoke screen as it were to fool protesters? It's being looked into.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 17, 2008, 03:55:43 am
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What April 19th performance?

It seems she's moved the April 19th venue to the 20th...could this be inaccurate? A smoke screen as it were to fool protesters? It's being looked into.

Which venue? I haven't seen anything scheduled for April 19th. It's not on the schedule on her website. Walter Reed Medical Center has always been scheduled for April 20th.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: matt e on April 17, 2008, 05:20:53 am
if anyone would like to file a complaint with the domain registrar, or the hosting company of this site, the following public info from www.whois.net may be helpful

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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 17, 2008, 11:42:44 pm


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Which venue? I haven't seen anything scheduled for April 19th. It's not on the schedule on her website. Walter Reed Medical Center has always been scheduled for April 20th.

It was clearly stated on the page below...but this page is now totally different in content.

From my earlier posting:

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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/mar/02/mother-drum-keeps-universal-heartbeat/

Half-Wolf: Seems White Eagle is advertizing for her April 19th 'performance'...but there is an email option at the bottom of the page where many are now contacting.

There are also many references made regarding this on the Protest page on myspace...so I know it wasnt my eyesight alone...lol
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 18, 2008, 04:05:56 am
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/mar/02/mother-drum-keeps-universal-heartbeat/

That's an article in the Chattanooga Times Free Press, about Holzwarth's performance at the Unitarian Universalist Church the weekend of March 1 and 2. I've read that several times and never saw any mention of her schedule.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 18, 2008, 04:27:54 am
Conscious Mind Journal

Listed under Native American

Advertising for the Grandmother Drum. Notice that even though Holzwarth sells tickets to these events, the people sponsoring this weekend are asking for volunteers and donations. Looks like the Rainbow Foundation keeps all the money from ticket sales, as well as drums or other things they sell, and has no expenses. Why else would their sponsors need volunteers and donations?

The Grandmother Drum Project World Tour May 2,3,4

Friday Night Prayerformance on May 2
Troy Community Center
3179 Livernois Rd
Troy  MI  48083-5029

Weekend Workshop on May 3-4
The Center of Light Spirituality Center
5898 Baldwin Road
Oxford  MI  48371

http://www.consciousmindjournal.com/EventCalendar.cfm

The May event is being coordinated by Annette Jones and Gail Miller - we will need volunteers and donations are appreciated to help with the expenses for setting this up.  We have already arranged to do a booth and a presentation at the Mind, Body, Spirit Fair in April, 2008.  Volunteers and donations will be appreciated for this event and the Friday night Prayerformance on May 2.  Please email me at gailg8@yahoo.com with Grandmother Drum as the subject and your name and phone if you would like to help.  Send donations to: Attn of Gail Miller for Grandmother Drum, PO BOX 967, Sterling Heights, Michigan 48311 and we will keep you updated here on our progress!     

Listen to the White Eagle early February interview about the "Healing the Waters Tour" at http://www.worldpuja.org.  Its free-just go into the archives-lots of wonderful details.  You dont want to miss this event!!   If you would like to be part of our ticket incentive program, please contact Annette or I at 248-236-0432.                       

UPDATE!  There will be a Friday night public "Prayerformance" from 7-10pm at the Troy Community Center , 3179 Livernois.  Advance Registration Recommended, limited seating!  (children MUST be preregistered and be accompanied by an adult ).  AND a weekend workshop at the Center of Light in Oxford for those who would like a deeper experience with the Drum , White Eagle. and the Grandmothers.  Open registration for the event is now available.  There will be flyers available with the Prayerformance details beginning March 25th  at Gemini Moon  and Crystal Pathways, both on Van Dyke in Shelby Township or you can email this article to a friend to network.

UPDATE- Come and see our booth for The Grandmother Drum Healing the Waters Tour 2008 at the Earthday Event on April 19th at Oakland University.  And or at the  Body, Mind, Spirit Fair on April 26th!   Come to our drumming/presentation at 12:00 as well.  Help us spread the word!

The focus for this tour will be the "Healing of the Waters" as directed by the Grandmothers for this area of the United States.   You wont want to miss this heart awakening experience!  Email this article to a friend.  NAMASTE!

http://www.consciousmindjournal.com/Articles/Global/The-Grandmother-Drum-Project-World-Tour-May-234.cfm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 18, 2008, 08:37:27 am
BLS:
The Chatanooga stint is in her schedule for the weekend of 3-1-08 & 3-2-08.  I emailed the Minister, Jeff Brier, of the Unitarian Universalist Church in Chatanooga.  He sent back (I still have the email) that she told his congregation she was NOT of Native descent, but Jewish and Irish.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 18, 2008, 01:33:02 pm
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White Eagle Woman an Exploiter of The Native American Culture and Traditions, that is currently touring the country. Will be discussed at length, Please tune in Saturday from 3-5 PM. EST. to Indigenous Sounds on WSLR 96.5 LPFM in Sarasota Florida.
WSLR streams live on the Web visit: www. wslr. org to listen live on-line.


Butterfly Deer Woman another Exploiter that lives in Sarasota, Fla. will also be discussed.
Visit Butterfly Deer Womans Website: http://woman-spirit.com/index.html

Indigenous Sounds is a radio Show for Native American music, news, current events, and issues. If you would like to be a guest on Indigenous Sounds PLEASE email: Indigenoussounds@gmail.com I am always looking for interesting guest.

Thank You, White Horse

Thought this may be of interest


Added on: From various bulletins on MySpace...

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May 24-25, 2008 - Dallas, Ft.

Worth, TX
Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

Has been CANCELED!!!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 18, 2008, 03:38:02 pm
This is yet more great news. I imagine the promoters feared going to a metro area (Dallas Ft Worth) with over 40,000 urban NDNs, now that word of what she does has spread so far and wide. I'd even thought about going up there myself to confront her.

Someone before said she charges I believe 3600 bucks a "prayerformance." The protests must be starting to really hit her in the pocketbook.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 18, 2008, 03:44:40 pm
Looks like their schedule has been changed. Probably decided not to go to areas where there was bound to be protests; opting to go to Israel for the Spirit Film Festival and the Sacred Music Festival instead. I'm sure they'll get a better reception in Tel Aviv than they would have received in Oklahoma or Texas. They really might want to rethink those stops in Montana, South Dakota, British Columbia.


Original Schedule:
May 11, 2008 - Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony

May 23, 2008 - Fort Worth, Texas
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

May 24-25, 2008 - Dallas, Ft. Worth, TX
Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

June 6-8, 2008 - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Red Earth Festival - tentative

June 12-15, 2008 – Black Hills, South Dakota
Community Healing Ceremonies

June 17, 2008 - West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

July 4-6, 2008 -Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
Medicine Wheel Portal Ceremonial Weekend

BACK HOME IN ALASKA!
August 9, 2008 - Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008 - Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.

 
Current Schedule (as of 4/11/08):
May 11, 2008 - Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony

May 13-17, 2008 - Spirit Film Festival
Tel Aviv, Israel
GrandMother Drum Film Premiere

June 6-9, 2008 - Lev Tahor Sacred Music Festival
Tel Aviv, Israel
Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

June 17, 2008 - West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

June 26-29, 2008 Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering
Bear Butte Lodge, South Dakota

July 4-6, 2008 - Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
Medicine Wheel Portal Ceremonial Weekend

BACK HOME IN ALASKA!
August 9, 2008 - Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008 - Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 18, 2008, 03:53:17 pm
This is yet more great news. I imagine the promoters feared going to a metro area (Dallas Ft Worth) with over 40,000 urban NDNs, now that word of what she does has spread so far and wide. I'd even thought about going up there myself to confront her.

Someone before said she charges I believe 3600 bucks a "prayerformance." The protests must be starting to really hit her in the pocketbook.

I'd seriously been thinking about going up to Dallas/Ft Worth too. Guess we won't get a chance to confront her here at home this year. Hopefully by next year she'll be out of business.

She was charging $3,666 per person to travel with her entourage and attend every event on her schedule. Of course you still had to provide your own transportation, lodging, and meals. Not sure what you got for the $3,666. Guess just the privilege of attending all her shows; or as she puts it "particpate in all the ceremonies, workshops and healing sessions".
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 18, 2008, 04:28:38 pm
Originally they were scheduled to be in Ohio twice.

April 25, 2008 - Rocky River, Ohio
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

April 26-27, 2008 - Rocky River, Ohio
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

May 11, 2008 - Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony


Current schedule doesn't list the Rocky River performances; doesn't show anything between Walter Reed on April 20th and Michigan starting May 1st.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 18, 2008, 04:57:01 pm
Yup....I imagine White Eagle is dreading the thought of any more venues being cancelled...maybe someday she'll get a taste of what its like to grow up on commodity food...have a real taste of the daily struggles of our people.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 18, 2008, 06:27:26 pm
Michigan info:

Please call and email Gail Miller to speak with her about fraud woman... contact info below...

Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum with Community “Mother Drum??? Initiation Ceremony

Sat May 3 10am – Sat May 3 6pm (Daily at 10am until Sun May 4 10am)

Daily at 10am until Sun May 4 10am

Oxford Michigan

Description
Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum
with Community “Mother Drum??? Initiation Ceremony
Location: Center of Light, Oxford Michigan
www. centeroflight. us 248-236-0432
Weekend Cost $333 (10am -6pm both days)
Host Sponsors: Center of Light- Annette Jones 248-236-0432
Conscious Mind Journal- Gail Miller 586-264-5457 gailg8@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 19, 2008, 01:49:22 am
Please watch the following regarding White Eagle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEChaNnvaWc
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 19, 2008, 12:17:28 pm
OK,  :o She is a MIRACLE WORKER!!!!  She can be in two places at one time by her own accord.  I was trying to figure out why everyone says she is going to be in Tel Aviv when her calendar shows her in South Dakota, Montana and Oklahoma.  I found it!!!!  Her schedule shows her in Tel Aviv while on the same page her calendar shows her in SD, MT and OK.  So if she can do that maybe she is  ??? Seneca/Metis as well as  ::) Seneca/Celtic as well as J :P Jewish/Irish as well as  :P German/Italian :-X.  I guess she learned how to do this from her Strega Wican teachings.
In my humble opinion   "NOT!!!" >:(
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 19, 2008, 12:31:41 pm
I dont think anything this woman claims makes any sense at all....makes me wonder how she's got away with it so long.

Here's another video to watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9nptu77IQ
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 19, 2008, 01:34:33 pm

http://whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm

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May 13-17, 2008- Spirit Film Festival
Tel Aviv, Israel
GrandMother Drum Film Premiere

June 6-9, 2008 - Lev Tahor Sacred Music Festival
Tel Aviv, Israel Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

Also:

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Red Earth Festival- tentativeWhenJun 6, 2008WhereOklahoma City, OklahomaDescriptionRed Earth Festival- tentative- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Festival Contact: 405-427-5228 www. redearth.org

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Red Earth Festival- tentativeWhenJun 7, 2008WhereOklahoma City, OklahomaDescriptionRed Earth Festival- tentative- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Festival Contact: 405-427-5228 www. redearth.org

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Red Earth Festival- tentativeWhenJun 8, 2008WhereOklahoma City, OklahomaDescriptionRed Earth Festival- tentative- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Festival Contact: 405-427-5228 www. redearth.org

Strange eh!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 19, 2008, 01:44:48 pm
If I'm not mistaken Red Earth has always required proof of membership in a Federal or State Recognized Nation. I don't think she has that.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 19, 2008, 01:49:41 pm
Well I see she marked it down as 'tentative'...but its very confusing.

But on a better note...Texas has also been cancelled and removed from her scheduale!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 19, 2008, 08:50:17 pm
Which doesn't mean she won't go to a private venue like she is in Ohio.  Someone needs to be nice nice to her hosts and act genuinely interested, as hard as it is to do this when your heart burns, it is the only way to trap her.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 19, 2008, 10:45:31 pm
Pure speculation here, but my guess about all the double/triple-booking and schedule conflicts:

She probably tries to set up multiple events for the same day, labels them all "tentative" and then cancels the lower bids and goes to the one that has pre-sold the most tickets. Sets up her options then picks the bigger money maker.

Of course now she's probably also multi-booking because she knows an event may be canceled due to protests and she wants a fall-back position. I expect to see continued double-bookings as more and more of these things get shut down.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 19, 2008, 11:47:22 pm
I think the double booking is right, as she will not be able to get into so of them. Like Red Earth, and I wondering about Bear Butte, is that the same Bear Butte PowWow near Sacred Ground?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 20, 2008, 06:07:43 am
From what I've seen, her schedule changed some time around April 11th. The events in Texas and Oklahoma were dropped and Israel was added. As Al stated, she's probably hesitant to go to areas where there is a large Native population. After the demonstration in Weymouth on April 4th and the protests we've all been making, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to know there would be much larger demonstrations in urban areas like Ft Forth or Dallas or at the Red Earth Powwow. Looks like they're still planning to go to Bear Butte, just on a different date. Instead of the Community Healing Ceremonies on June 12 - 15, they're planning to attend the Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering on June 26 - 29. Holzwarth and her entourage shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Bear Butte. Maybe AIM can be contacted to help with that.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 20, 2008, 06:14:45 am
Which doesn't mean she won't go to a private venue like she is in Ohio.  Someone needs to be nice nice to her hosts and act genuinely interested, as hard as it is to do this when your heart burns, it is the only way to trap her.

As I posted on April 16th . . . When I spoke with Audrey Stone, she stated that Grandmother Drum was not coming to Ohio this year and it's doubtful for next year. When I asked "why?", she said she really didn't want to get into it, but there are "some internal problems".

Edit to add: My original post about my phone calls on April 16th to Rocky Ridge Community Center, Otsego Park, and Audrey Stone is on page 6.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 20, 2008, 11:07:29 am
My post about our phone calls to Audrey Stone, before things got nasty, are also on page 6.  She didn't know anything about my personal feelings about the White Ego (bad) Medicine Woman.  She personally told us it was now private and would be held at Rocky Ridge Community Center, and they were trying to get back into Ostego Park (which they did and then got kicked out of again).  Now they are cautious and since we didn't buy tickets (it is TOO far for us to travel) they are not saying anything.  If I lived in Ohio, I would look having people show up at all events wher she is/was planning, keep everyone in touch by phone until you know for sure.  I know this is too late for this weekend, but she is still showing Bowling Green isn't she?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 20, 2008, 03:03:40 pm
Bowling Green is Otsego Park.

The events for April 25 - 27 at Rocky River, Ohio were taken off her schedule a couple weeks ago. Nothing scheduled between Walter Reed today and Michigan May 2 - 4. "GMD Global Heart Film Premiere on Global Love Day World wide locations" is scheduled for May 1. Not sure if she'll be in Michigan for that or where she'll be. Her schedule doesn't say.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 20, 2008, 03:15:58 pm
I sure hope our information about this event being cancelled was correct. There is nothing healing about her performances. The harm that she could do is immeasurable.


Private Community Healing Ceremony

When           Sun, Apr 20, 1pm – 4pm
Where          Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington, DC
Description    Private Community Healing Ceremony, -Walter Reed Military Hospital, Washington, DC. The intention of the ceremony is to create a safe and honored ceremony to reconcile, bereave and heal psychologically traumatic events during military service that has resulted in mental or emotional anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or grief from loss of soldiers or loved ones. The ceremony will inspire and cultivate new paths ways of personal and community wellness and healing. Time 1-4pm. This ceremony is not open to the public.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 20, 2008, 03:44:36 pm
Is she updating daily after watching what is said on this site?  Tel Aviv is now off the schedule and the calendar, as are many of the other venues that were discussed here.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 20, 2008, 03:53:14 pm
Is she updating daily after watching what is said on this site?  Tel Aviv is now off the schedule and the calendar, as are many of the other venues that were discussed here.

Wonder if she's worried about getting the eagle and hawk feathers out of the country and back in again. I know she's never had a problem before; but now that FWS has been notified, she might be worried the feathers would be confiscated. They're going to be anyway, whether at the airport or during one of her performances or at her home in Alaska. It's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on April 20, 2008, 04:16:54 pm
Tel Aviv is now off the schedule and the calendar, as are many of the other venues that were discussed here.

That's a result then! Fewer ticket sales. less money, more likelyhood of her stopping.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 21, 2008, 05:30:43 am
found another one that needs to be addressed
what lanauge is she using?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUQHT6V-2Yk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJALev8aVQ&feature=related

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 21, 2008, 05:44:14 am
who is printing this needs to be stopped

This song book is a compilation from the beautifully recorded Songlines of the Soul album by White Eagle Medicine Woman. Included are several additional song titles that have been gifted to The Whirling Rainbow Foundation while traveling "The Ring of Fire." Many of these songs have been used in ancient ceremonies or have come through for the first time while playing the GrandMother Drum. This book is perfect for any community drum leader or hand drum enthusiast.
and the cd publisher
https://cdbaby.com/cd/whiteeagle

White Eagle Medicine Woman
Songlines of the Soul
© 2006 Suraj Holzwarth (634479586446)

CD price: $20.00
CD IN STOCK. ORDER NOW. Will ship immediately.


MP3 price: $20.00
(About MP3 downloads at CD Baby)


Native American tribal drumming and chanting to open a deep communion with the earth and all life.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 21, 2008, 06:09:09 am
mailto:cdbaby@cdbaby.com

this woman is a fraud, she is not native bye any means,she is offending every native world wide

she does not have the right to the eagle feathers.

she does not have the right to copy, plagiarize native songs

she is charging for peace?

her real name is rachel holzwarth

born in new york city

she is the worst kind of thief,she steals from religions.

please remove all references from you sight and system of this person

destroy all cd's

thank you
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 21, 2008, 06:19:21 am
natalie@musicishere.com

a music sharing sight
http://musicishere.com/content/name/music/file/album_comments/aid/82947/
White Eagle Medicine Woman
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 21, 2008, 06:23:10 am
http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/2028547-Music-Alternative

another place to find her junk
and i email them
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 21, 2008, 07:02:32 am
and another one

http://www.girlscando.com/cgi-bin/cf/cf_oa/oa_camps_more.cfm?recid=75

OSHO Information Center
Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth)
Anand Shantam (Larry Mercutieff)
c/o Whirling Rainbow Center
PO Box 2822
Palmer 99645
AK
Tel.: +1 907-745-5636
E-mail: thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 21, 2008, 12:40:51 pm
OK, I want to know what nation this Grnadmother Singing waters is from.  From this website we now know why she is "receiving" so much money for our culture.  "it is better to receive ..."
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 21, 2008, 12:43:35 pm
OOPS!  here is the website
http://www.alaskawellness.com/nov-dec07/bettertoreceive.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 21, 2008, 02:07:51 pm
Never heard of Grandmother Singing Waters and I couldnt find her either...but Im asking around..."It's better to receive"??? Holay Smokes! I thought the saying went "It's better to GIVE than to receive"??
Also seems White Eagle is popping up all over the net!


I just found a bunch of WEMW's supporters here:

http://1radine.multiply.com/video/item/78

We found out yesterday that WEMW uses a company called Emery Worldwide Cargo to ship her drum around...also she seems to favor Nova Travel and Angie Skinner (Since they give her discounts).

But get this...she also expects people to pay for the following:

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Donations for traveling expenses
Donations toward Airfreight for the GrandMother Drum
Participation in our local Drumming Circles and Drum Making Ceremonies
Purchasing a Baby Drum


So...we are to gather from this....that not only does she charge for her performances...workshops...drums that she sells at her performances...etc....she also expects people to pay for her travel and for the shipping of the drum also?? All while claiming to be a non profit (Disolved 9 years back) and without paying a cent in taxes?? This woman never ceases to amaze me!

We found a forum yesterday...Native Americans Speak:


http://planetxforecast.com/discus/messages/207/228.html?1205278840

They seem to need some educating on the truths of WEMW.


There are still the following venues left...Im including the Hosts details so many can contact them with a view to cancellation. Im not sure how many have been cancelled...but as far as I am aware...these listed are still ongoing...

GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
When Fri, May 2, 7pm – 10pm
Where Oakland County, Michigan
Host Sponsors: Center of Light-Annette Jones 248-236-0432
Conscious Mind Journal- Gail Miller 586-264-5457
www. centeroflight.us

Shamanic Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum with Community "Mother Drum" Initiation Ceremony
When Sat, May 3, 10am – 6pm
Where Oxford Michigan
www. centeroflight.us
248-236-0432
Weekend Cost $333 (10am -6pm both days)
Host Sponsors: Center of Light- Annette Jones 248-236-0432
Conscious Mind Journal- Gail Miller 586-264-5457
gailg8@yahoo.com

(Also May 4th in the same venue)

Sunday, May 25 All day Healing Waters Ceremony with GrandMother Drum When May 25, 2008
Where Dallas/ Fort Worth, Texas
Host Sponsors: Donna Reis 817-788-9451
donna@colorvibration.com
and O! Suzanna - Suzanna Brown 214-906-7528
suzanna@osuzanna.com
(We have been told this event is cancelled...but it doesnt hurt to ensure it stays that way)

Tuesday, June 17 All day Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony When Jun 17, 2008
Where West Yellowstone, Montana
Contact: The Whirling Rainbow Foundation  907-745-5636 thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com
(No host mentioned on the above)

Wednesday, June 18 All day The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event When Jun 18, 2008
Where Holiday Inn, West Yellowstone, Montana
Cost: $275.00 if paid in full by February 29, 2008. • $300.00 if paid in full by April 30, 2008. After April 30th $333. Limited Space! http://www.atouchofangels.net/eden.htm or http://www.globaledenevent.com/ Contact us to help Sponsor the Elders!

Thursday, June 19 All day The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event
When Jun 19, 2008
Where Holiday Inn, West Yellowstone, Montana
Cost: $275.00 if paid in full by February 29, 2008. • $300.00 if paid in full by April 30, 2008. After April 30th $333. Limited Space! http://www.atouchofangels.net/eden.htm or http://www.globaledenevent.com/ Contact us to help Sponsor the Elders!

Friday, June 20 All day The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event
When Jun 20, 2008
WhereHoliday Inn, West Yellowstone, Montana
(Contact info as above)

Saturday, June 21 All day The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event
WhenJun 21, 2008
WhereHoliday Inn, West Yellowstone, Montana
(Contact info as above)

Saturday, August 9 2:00pm GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
When Sat, Aug 9, 2pm – 5pm
Where Homer, Alaska
Description GrandMother Drum Prayerformance Time 2-5pm. Location TBA Host Sponsor: Something to Believe In- Camille Moritz 907- 235-5433 ibelieve@cosmichamlet.net

Sunday, August 10 10:00am Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings
When Sun, Aug 10, 10:00am – 5:30pm
Where Homer, Alaska
Description Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings A ceremonial workshop with White Eagle Medicine Woman and Clairvoyant Medium, Camille Moritz. Time 10-5:30 pm. Location TBA
Host Sponsor: Something to Believe In-Camille Moritz 907- 235-5433 ibelieve@cosmichamlet.net

Thursday, August 14 All day Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies - Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge
When Aug 14, 2008
Where Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska
Description Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Location: Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska

Friday, August 15 All day Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies - Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge
When Aug 15, 2008
Where Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska
Description Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Location: Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska

Saturday, August 16 All day Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies - Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge
When Aug 16, 2008
Where Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska
Description Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Location: Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska Sunday, August 17 All day Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies

Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge
When Aug 17, 2008
Where Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska
Description Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Location: Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska

Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge
When Aug 18, 2008
Where Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska
Description Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Location: Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska

Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge
When Aug 19, 2008
Where Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska
Description Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Location: Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska

If anyone can find contact info for the Yukon Island Retreat, Homer, Alaska....it would be appreciated...Im sure this retreat has some sort of specific name...but WEMW does not mention it.

We're also urging people to contact our radio stations...Dani (The owner of the MySpace group: myspace.com/istealfromndns was on air over the weekend...also GrayWolf...and Moses Brings Plenty also spoke out).

Here's some radio stations that can be contacted...it is surprising how many of our people STILL do not know of this woman.


Inupiaq Eskimo
Contact: Don Rinker, Mgr.
PO Box 109
Barrow, AK 99723
Ph: 907/852-6811 Fax: 2274
E-mail: rzkbrw@tundra.edu

KNBA 90.3FM contact: Jaclyn Sallee (Inupiat Eskimo), President & CEO
Koahnic Broadcast Corporation
819 E 11th, Suite C
Anchorage, Alaska 99501
E-mail: feedback@knba.org

National Native News nnn@alaska.net a daily national radio news program aired on 145 radio stations nationwide. Host is Bernadette Chato (Navajo).

Friday Wellness Edition" of Native America Calling in cooperation with Native American Telecommunications, Inc nnn@alaska.net Host is Joaqlin Estus (Tlingit).

KYUK 640 AM 10kW Yupik Eskimo, Cupik Eskimo
Contact: Margaret Wood, Mgr.
Pouch 468
Bethel, AK 99559
Phone: 907/543-3131 Fax: 3130
E-mail Kate_Hamilton@ddc-alaska.org

KCUK 88.1 FM 10W (repeats KYUK) Yupik Eskimo
Contact: Peter Tuluk, Mgr.
Kashunanuit School Dist
985 KSD Way
Chevak, AK 99563
Ph: 907/858-7014 Fax: 7279

KDLG 670 AM 10kW Aleut, Yupik
Contact: K.C. Jackson, Mgr.
PO Box 670
Dillingham, AK 99576
Ph: 907/842-5281 Fax: 5645

KOTZ 720 AM 5kW Inupiat Eskimo
Contact: De'Anne Hamilton, Program Dir.
PO Box 78
Kotzebue, AK 99752
Ph: 907/442-3434/3435 Fax: 2292

KZPA 900 AM 5kW (repeats KUAC) Athabascan
Contact: Dorothy Karrol, Act. Program Mgr.
PO Box 50
Ft. Yukon, AK 99740
Phone: 907/662-8255 Fax: 8225

KSKO 870 AM 10kW Athabascan
Contact: Amy Hind, Mgr.
PO Box 70
McGrath, AK 99627
Ph: 907/524-3001 Fax: 3436
E-mail ksko870@aol.com

KUHB 91.9 FM 1.05 W (repeats KDLG)
Aleut
Contact: Cecila Murphy, Office Mgr.
Pribiloff School Dist.
PO Box 905
St. Paul, AK 99660
Ph: 907/546-2254 Fax: 2367

KNSA 930 AM 2,500 W (rpts KDLG) Inupiaq Eskimo
Contact: Henry Ivanoff, Mgr.
PO Box 178
Unalakleet, AK 99684
Ph: 907/624-3101 Fax: 3130

KGHR 91.5 FM 100W Greyhills High School
Contact: Elain Holden, Mgr.
PO Box 160
Tuba City, AZ 86045
Ph: 520/283-6271/Ext. 177 Fax: 6604

KNNB 88.1/88.9/99.1 FM 670 W White Mountain Apache
Contact: Phoebe Nez, Gen Mgr.
PO Box 310
Whiteriver, AZ 85941
Ph: 520/338-5229 Fax: 1744

KIDE 91.3 FM 195W Hupa
Contact: Frank Starkey, Jr., Mgr
PO Box 1220
Hoopa, CA 95546
Ph: 916/625-4245 Fax: 4046

KSUT 91.3 FM 450W Southern Ute
Contact: Carlos Sena, Mgr.
PO Box 737
Ignacio, CO 81137
Ph: 970/563-0255 Fax: 0399/0396

KEYA 88.5 FM 19,000kW Turtle Mountain Chippewa
Contact: Betty Hambley, Mgr.
PO Box 190
Belcourt, ND 58316
Ph: 701/477-5686 Fax: 3252

KMHA 91.3 FM 100kW Mandan-Hidasta-Arikara
Contact: Pete Coffee, Mgr.
HCR 3, PO Box 1
New Town, ND 58763
Ph: 701/627-3333 Fax: 4212

KCIE 90.5 FM 100W Jicarilla Apache
Contact: Warren Cassador, Mgr.
PO Box 603
Dulce, NM 87528
Ph: 505/759-3681 Fax: 3005

KGLP 91.7 FM 100W Navaho Nation Zuni
Contact: Clinton Jim or Ray Bayles
200 College Rd.
Gallup, NM 87301
Phone: 505/863-7625

KABR 1500 AM 1kW Alamo Navajo School Bd.
Contact: Sarah Apache, Mgr
PO Box 907
Magdalena, NM 87825
Ph: 505/854-2641 Fax: 2545

KTDB 89.7 FM 5000kW Ramah Navajo
Contact: Bernie Bustos, Mgr.
PO Box 40
Pinchill, NM 87357
Ph: 505/775-3215 Fax: 3551

KSHI 90.9 FM 100W Zuni Pueblo
Contact: Duane Chimoni, Mgr.
PO Box 339
Zuni, NM 87327
Ph: 505/782-4811 Fax: 2232/2700

CKON 97.3 FM 350W Mohawk
Contact: Stewart Wood, Mgr
PO Box 140
Rosseveltown, NY 13683
Ph: 518/358-3426 Fax: 623/575-2566
E-mail ckon@cnwl.igs.net

KWSO 91.9 FM 3.5kW Warm Springs Confederated
Contact: Mike Villalobos, Mgr.
PO Box 489
Warm Springs, OR 97761
Ph: 541-553-1968 Fax: 3348

KILI 90.1 FM 100kW Ogula Lakota Sioux
Contact: Tom Casey, Acting Mgr.
PO Box 150
Porcupine, SD 57772
Ph: 605/867-5002 Fax: 5634

KSWS 89.3 FM 3kW Sisseton Whapeton Sioux
Contact: Mike LaBelle, Mgr
PO Box 142
Sisseton, SD 57262
Ph: 605/698-7972 Fax: 7897

KINI 96.1 FM 57kW Rosebud Lakota Sioux
Contact: Bernard Whiting, Jr., Mgr.
PO Box 419
St. Francis, SD 57572
Ph: 605/747-2291 Fax: 5057

WOJB 88.9 FM 100kW Lac Courte Orielles Chippewa
Contact: Douglas Baker, Mgr.
RR2, Box 2788
Hayward, WI 54843
Phone: 715/634-2100 Fax: 3906
E-mail wojbfm@aol.com

Native Owned Commercial Stations

WASG 550 AM 50kW Poarch Band, Creek
Contact: Nathan Martin, Mgr.
1318 S. Main
Atmore, AL 36502
Ph: 334/368-2511 Fax: 4227

KTNN 660 AM 50kW Navajo Nation
Contact: Tazbah McCullah, Mgr.
PO Box 2569
Window Rock, AZ 86515
Ph: 520/871-3542 Fax: 3479

WYRU 1160 AM 5kW Lumbee
Contact: Gene Hanrahan, Mgr
PO Box 0711
Red Springs, NC 28377
Ph: 910/843-5946 Fax: 8694

Public Radio Stations

KSKA 91.1 FM 36kW Various Tribes
Contact: Susan Reed, Mgr
4101 University Dr.
Anchorage, AK 99508
Ph: 907/561-1161 Fax: 273-9435
E-mail kakm2@alaska.net

KBSU 730 AM 15kW Duck Valley
Contact: Mark Wescott, Op. Mgr.
1910 University Dr.
Boise, ID 83725
Ph: 208/385-3906 Fax: 344-6631
E-mail akbwestc@idbsu.idbsu.edu

KUNM 89.9 FM 13.6kW Various Tribes
Contact: Richard Towne, GM
UNM, Albuquerque, NM 87131-1011
Ph: 505/277-8009 Fax: 277-8044
E-mail gmkunm@terracom.net

WORT 89.9 FM 2kW Contact: Norman Stockwell
118 S. Bedford St.
Madison, WI 53703
Ph: 608/256-2695 Fax: 3704
E-mail wort@Terracom.net

Project Stations

KNBA 90.3 FM 100kW (formerly KANH)
On-air Date: Aug. 12, 1996
urban Alaska Natives
Contact: Susan Braine, Mgr.
Koahnic Broadcast Corp.
810 East 9th Ave., Ste. 210
Anchorage, AK 99501
Ph: 907/258-8887/8880 Fax: 8803
E-mail knba@alaska.net

White Earth Land Recovery
White Earth Anishinabe, Chippewa
Contact: Nancy Warren
Rt. 1, Box 291
Ponsford, MN 56575
Ph: 218/573-3448 Fax: 3444

Gros Ventre/Assiniboine KGVA 88.1 FM 90kW
Contact: Claren Werk, Mgr
PO Box 159, Ft. Belknap College
Harlem, MT 59526
Ph: 406/353-4556 Fax: 2898

Indigenous Broadcast Center 907-263-7409

Native American Public Broadcasting Consortium 402-472-3522



There are many more radio stations...also...we are working on contacting all tribal newspapers to continue spreading the word.

We have a list on contact details for most tribes here and they will give contact details for their Nations newspaper/letter:


http://www.freewebs.com/nativeamericanunity/nativetribes.htm

And also our Native Leglislaters who we are also contacting:

http://www.freewebs.com/nativeamericanunity/nativelegislaters.htm

Also...here's another utube video to spread the truth....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC1YjR8tA18

I hope the above is of help to anyone fighting this cause. We are all persisting in contacting Fish and Wildlife, also IRS.....and I'd welcome any suggestins as to anything else we can do.

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 03:54:50 pm
Some changes on Holzwarth's three YouTube videos.

No comments allowed; can't even agree or disagree with comments previously left. Most of the negative comments have been deleted. I'm surprised any of them are still there.

She's changed her profile picture, too. This is from Earth Pledge.

suraj1h

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RfJALev8aVQ/default.jpg)

Style: World
Joined: 18 August 2007
Last Login: 3 hours ago
Videos Watched: 58
Subscribers: 31
Channel Views: 1,170


Looks like they've stayed busy watching videos. On April 12th she'd only watched 26; now it's up to 58. She's lost two subscribers. On April 12th she had 33, now has 31. Looks like a couple people have seen the truth
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 04:39:23 pm
Quote
We found a forum yesterday...Native Americans Speak:

http://planetxforecast.com/discus/messages/207/228.html?1205278840

They seem to need some educating on the truths of WEMW.

Read some of the comments left on that forum. Seems like they need educating on more than White Eagle Medicine Woman and Grandmother Drum. They need a dose of reality.

Quote
My daughter was miserable for much of her life until uniting with some ladies who practice Native rituals and .. Wow! what a turn around.

Quote
No, I'm not native American. A psychic once told me that I was a Navajo Shaman in a previous life, though! Whether that's the case or not who knows?

Quote
My sister is very interested in Native culture. She does sweat lodges and all that. It's not really something that I have pursued in this lifetime.

These are the kind of people Holzwarth preys upon, Grandmother Drum appeals to. Lost souls thinking they were Indian in a previous life.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 21, 2008, 04:51:40 pm
I just found these 3 pages of pictures taken during the Weymouth event.
http://drummingforpeace.org/gmd_08/april4/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 05:23:57 pm
Quote
I just found a bunch of WEMW's supporters here:

http://1radine.multiply.com/video/item/78

Joined and left a comment.

Quote
bls926 wrote today at 12:22 PM
This drum is not blessed. There is nothing spiritual about these performances. It's a way for Suraj Holzwarth and her entourage to make a living. They travel the world, selling tickets to their events and souvenirs. She doesn't care about Mother Earth or peace; she just knows it sells well. Spiritual leader? No way. Good businesswoman? Must be, she's been conning many people for quite a while.


Edit to add: Left the same comment on Music is Here
http://musicishere.com/content/name/music/file/album_comments/aid/82947/

Have been trying to get the truth about Holzwarth and Grandmother Drum posted to as many places as I can. Hopefully, once people know what this woman is really about, she'll lose her following.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 21, 2008, 06:09:06 pm
Bls:

Quote
I just found a bunch of WEMW's supporters here:

http://1radine.multiply.com/video/item/78

Joined and left a comment.

Im thinking these folks are wearing blinkers...your post is not there...so Im guessing people are deleting as soon as posts are being made.

However...the postings made here:

http://musicishere.com/content/name/music/file/album_comments/aid/82947/

Are still intact

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twofoxes:
this woman is a fraud, she is not native bye any means,she is offending every native world wide
she does not have the right to the eagle feathers.
she does not have the right to copy, plagiarize native songs
she is charging for peace?
her real name is rachel holzwarth
born in new york city
she is the worst kind of thief,she steals from religions.
please remove all references from you sight and system of this person
destroy all cd's 

iroqua:
yes she is a fraud and she is not native and she is just taking your money and making her self look good. what she is doing is hate to me she is taking what is not belong to her. must the whites keep taking from us. so this is how they show us. 

Bonnie Singleton:
This drum is not blessed. There is nothing spiritual about these performances. It's a way for Suraj Holzwarth and her entourage to make a living. They travel the world, selling tickets to their events and souvenirs. She doesn't care about Mother Earth or peace; she just knows it sells well. Spiritual leader? No way. Good businesswoman? Must be, she's been conning many people for quite a while. 

Tsissy:
This White Eagle...has not paid a cent in tax for YEARS!
She is not only a THIEF of our culture and ceremony...she is ALSO a FRAUD!
This woman is non native...using our culture to fill her pockets with money from people like YOU!
DO NOT PURCHASE THIS WOMANS GARBAGE!
As long as there are people out there purchasing her lies....she will CONTINUE!
DO NOT SUPPORT THIS WOMAN! 


Added more postings:

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Robert R. Baker:
This woman has no concept of native spirituality. Its new age humanism mixed with psycotheriputic leanings with an overlay of modern shaminism. Natiives do not recieve power from within but from the creator and outside spiritual help. They do not celibrate the belief that they come from mother Africa but rather hold a close personal relationship with the land that they come from. Religion is not a personal path but a comunity involvment and prayer is not just being alive but learning to walk in a spiritual maner so as to be in tune with the creator and the spiritual world and play your proper role in your comunity. This is the difference between real native belief and new age rip-offs.. Its not what I can get out of it but what I can give into it. Also if you are trully Seneca and know Seneca lore how is it that at the Delaware Water Gap You had the blessing preformed by a Cherokee and not a Lenape which would have been the proper thing to do. I would really like an answer to that one. 

wanbli:
This woman is a fraud and a scam . She is under investigation by Law Inforcement for illegal possesion of protected feathers (Eagle) claims tribal affiliation of which she has none.
Is stealing from the Native cultures and contributing to the cultural genocide of our people according to the un definition of genocide. do not support this woe man
wanbli 

mtig:
natives are concerned about this exploitation and abuse by those who have no real knowledge of the deep inner meaning inherent in these ceremonies.Practicing Native American spirituality out of the context of Native American culture diminishes the integrity of both
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 07:19:19 pm
Bls:

Quote
I just found a bunch of WEMW's supporters here:

http://1radine.multiply.com/video/item/78

Joined and left a comment.

Im thinking these folks are wearing blinkers...your post is not there...so Im guessing people are deleting as soon as posts are being made.

I can't even get to that page now, unless I want to become one of Radine!'s friends. Yeah, when pigs fly.

*Wesak Blessings!*
Not Viewable
This video has been marked private.
You need to be a contact of Radine!'s to view it.

Invite Radine! to be your contact
Go to Radine!'s home page
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 07:47:40 pm
and another one

http://www.girlscando.com/cgi-bin/cf/cf_oa/oa_camps_more.cfm?recid=75

OSHO Information Center
Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth)
Anand Shantam (Larry Mercutieff)
c/o Whirling Rainbow Center
PO Box 2822
Palmer 99645
AK
Tel.: +1 907-745-5636
E-mail: thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com

I went to that site, Girls Can Do, but couldn't find anything connecting them to Osho or Rachel Holzwarth and Larry Merculieff. (His name is misspelled.) I did find the connection between Holzwarth and Merculieff at Osho Information Center on OSHO WORLD. http://www.oshoworld.com/
 

Osho Information Center
Ma Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth)
Sw Anand Shantam (Larry Mercutieff)
PO Box 773556
Eagle River 99577
AL
Tel.: +1-907-688-2226
Fax: +1-907-688-2285
E-Mail:akwow@alaska.net


They list a different e-mail address for them.

Where'd you get your info? Was there something on that site that I missed?


Edit for typo
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 21, 2008, 07:59:39 pm
There was some information connecting her to Girls Can Do in one of her websites, it may now have been removed, but I know I go there through one of the sites she had up once upon a time.
It is now the women's thing she has coming up in August and was related to her defunct organization (the one that was "involuntarily" closed).
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 08:06:41 pm
Found this one about 'empowering girls and women'. Someone may have already posted it. If so, sorry for the duplication.

Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation offers year round wilderness education and spiritual empowerment programs for girls and women to explore and deepen their relationship with themselves, with others and with the earth in a supportive and nurturing atmosphere. Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation moves into the next decade and the new millennia with the mission to awaken, honor and celebrate the divine feminine voice of leadership for the healing of the Earth and all beings.
Contact: Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation, P.O. Box 773556, Eagle River, AK 99577; Ma Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth) at (907) 688-2226; 1-800-770-2226 (in AK); fax (907) 688-2285; e-mail akwow@alaska.net.

http://www.alaskawomensnetwork.org/groups.html
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 21, 2008, 08:54:59 pm
Just passing this on...another venue cancelled!

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----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: White - - Woman Fraud
Date: Apr 21, 2008 2:30 PM


Another one CANCELLED!!!!!! Thx Spaewife!!!!!!!!
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Janette Murray-Wakelin
Date: Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Subject: Courtenay Workshop cancelled
To: thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com


Dear White Eagle,

Further to my earlier email in which I expressed my concerns with regard to the proposed Grandmother Drum workshop to be held in Courtenay in July, I wish to advise that I have had further information that has determined a decision on my part.

I have been made aware of mounting opposition to the current Grandmother Drum Tour and was pointed to

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=368629610 ..

I have also been speaking with the Director of the Multi-cultural First Nations Centre here and have ascertained that it would not be appropriate to hold the Grandmother Drum workshop at the proposed location, nor in the area of the Komoks Band lands.

I have therefore make the decision not to sponsor the Grandmother Drum coming to Courtenay, nor to encourage or support any workshop offered by yourself through the Whirling Rainbow Foundation.

It is indeed a great disappointment to be in the position to have to make this decision, however, with all due respects, I cannot support or encourage that which may cause an affront to our First Nations People and their Culture.

It is also prudent for me to state that any misrepresentation on a spiritual level, whether it be misguided or not, is not acceptable within the realms of what I personally stand for. Nor would I condone such behaviour through my Centre whose mandate is about healing the Peoples and the Planet through learning the Truth.

On a personal note, may I confirm that the teachings of the Grandmothers are indeed powerful in their Truths, as I myself speak constantly with my own Grandmothers as my Spiritual Guides.

I might therefore suggest under the current circumstances that you do the same. Their messages are very clear.

Sincerely,
Janette



Janette Murray-Wakelin
Founder/Director-ZenZero Centre for Optimum Health
407A Fifth Street, Courtenay, BC, V9N 1J7, Canada
Ph: 1 250 338 0571 Fax: 1 250 338 0523
www. zenzero. ca ..

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Janette Murray-Wakelin
To: The Whirling Rainbow Foundation White Eagle ..
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:12:14 -0700
Subject: Please respond
Dear White Eagle,

I did not receive your phone call on Friday.

However, I did receive many emails denouncing your authenticity. It would not be astute of me to ignore such accusations from respected members of several US Bands.

I will therefore be speaking with the Director of a Multi-Cultural First Nations Centre here in Courtenay today with regard to his thoughts on the whether he would sanction a workshop presented by yourself involving the Grandmother Drum to be held on First Nations land.

Obviously, this is of grave concern to me and I would greatly appreciate your response to this matter.

Sincerely,
Janette
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 21, 2008, 09:42:32 pm
Folks may wish to contact:

http://www.lifewebnetwork.com/funding.htm

These are the folks providing White Eagles funding!

You'll notice the follwing:

Quote
Bennie “Blue Thunder??? Lebeau, medicine man of the Eastern Shoshone, is one of the hosting Elders who will welcome his counterparts to The Gathering of One. As a member of the Spiritual Elders of the Mother Earth, he is acquainted with the other Elders who will be coming to this event and his follow-up event he is putting on at the Grand Tetons on August 8, 2008 (the 8-8-8). Blue Thunder speaks around the world about the necessity of bringing humanity back in harmony with Mother Earth. He is particularly concerned with the Yellowstone caldera which prophecies foretell will enter into another great eruption unless the land is brought back in balance. The Hopi, related to the Shoshone, have a similar prophecy. Elder Nasafotie entered into a four-day vision quest after meeting with our people, and announced afterward that in his visions he saw the caldera going silent if The Gathering of One brought together the 444 people at The Gathering of One. Blue Thunder travels with his wife. As the hosting nation, he also is asking funding for 20 other tribal members to accompany him.

Travel: Gas for the tribe to bring its people, drums, and ceremonial regalia from Wind River reservation, Wyoming, to West Yellowstone ... 200 people in all ... Cost: $5000

Food 7 days and 200 people ... $10,000

Forest Service camping permit for 1 week for 200
8 porta-potties, bear-proof dumpsters, porta-showers, drinking water ... $9000

Honorarium: $1000

Total costs: $25000

Donations to date: $0 ... $25000 needed

Also of course White Eagle:

Quote
White Eagle Medicine Woman, guardian of the Grandmother Drum that has traveled the world in the name of Peace, has dedicated her life to bringing tribes together, and now the world. This dynamic leader and messenger of Peace has agreed to participate in The Gathering of One as well as serve as a guide in bringing together different traditions and cultures from around the world. She brings with her a staff of five who assist her in her travels across the planet.

Travel: Gas for bringing her staff and the 7 ft. wide Grandmother Drum from Alaska  ...  Cost: $3500

Food and lodging for 6 for 7 days: $1870

Honorarium: $4000

Donations to date: $9370 ... fully funded


Added: It also seems Bennie LeBeau and the White Eagle are going to get together with the "dance off oneness" at yellowstone!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 21, 2008, 10:11:15 pm
They are paying $3,500.00 to bring her and the drum from Alaska when by her own website she is not going to be in Alaska until August.  What a scam artist that is.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 21, 2008, 11:14:01 pm
Grandmother Drum's next performance is scheduled for May 2, 3, 4 in Michigan.

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GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
When Fri, May 2, 7pm – 10pm
Where Oakland County, Michigan
Host Sponsors: Center of Light - Annette Jones 248-236-0432
Conscious Mind Journal - Gail Miller 586-264-5457
www. centeroflight.us


I called and talked with Annette Jones this afternoon. It was like talking to a brick wall. I've met some bliss bunnies in my life, but this woman was really hard to listen to.

She understands why we're upset, but I was told that we need to look past the Native American rituals that White Eagle Medicine Woman uses to her message. Her message of love and peace. Her heart is pure. Ultimately this is between White Eagle Medicine Woman and Creator. This went on and on and on.

When I said Holzwarth was not Seneca, she asked how I knew this. Had I talked to White Eagle Medicine Woman? Had I seen her genealogy? The Seneca Nation doesn't claim her. Jones told me that she has Patowatomie ancestors, but didn't know about her great-grandmother until she was grown; her grandfather didn't talk about it. Tried to say the Patowatomie wouldn't have any knowledge of her. I told her they would still have record of her family. She couldn't understand that concept. Thinks because she isn't enrolled, there wouldn't be any record of her family ever being part of the Nation. Used this as an explanation for why the Seneca Nation doesn't acknowledge Holzwarth.

Every time she said White Eagle Medicine Woman, I corrected her, saying "Her name is Rachel Holzwarth. You can't give yourself a name." She asked me how I knew Holzwarth had given herself the name. Because she has no ties to any Native community. Well apparently, from what Jones told me this afternoon, she has found some to support what she's doing. They showed the Grandmother Drum DVD to an Ojibwe Elder named George, Upper Peninsula, and he feels that Holzwarth's heart is pure and in the right place. Jones' husband, Edward, has been adopted by George, the Ojibwe Elder. George had dreams about Edward and sought him out, becoming his mentor. George has trained Edward to conduct sweat lodges.

Discussed the fact that Holzwarth illegally has eagle and hawk feathers in her possession and that the Fish and Wildlife Service has been notified. Also talked about her non-profit organizations that may or may not still be up and running; possible problems with the IRS. Jones feels that those things are none of her business and has nothing to do with the performances. I told her that as a sponsor of these events, she has an ethical and moral responsibility to the people who will be attending the event, an obligation not to sponsor a criminal fraud.

We discussed the numerous events that have been cancelled since we all started protesting. She said most of those events were ones with third-party sponsors who didn't want to get in the middle of it. Sponsors who had heard from both sides and just didn't want involved. Well, whatever it takes. If we can get every third-party to back out of sponsoring one of her performances, it'll be a good thing.

The performances in Michigan are still going to happen. No third-party sponsors. Jones and her husband minister at/to the Center of Light Spirituality. She told me her husband was a minister of a non-denominational church. I had to google to find which one. She told me the people who will be attending the events that weekend are "highly spiritually evolved". They look past the boundaries of race, color, nationality, etc.

Jones asked me if I had spoken with Holzwarth personally. She gave me Holzwarth's cell phone #. Holzwarth has invited us all to call her to discuss this issue.

907-745-4636

I haven't called Holzwarth yet. I'm about twinkied out for today.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 21, 2008, 11:25:08 pm
I just received this...would like to hear any thoughts on it.

Quote
April  21, 2008 3:40 PM

Subject: GOT NEWS ABOUT ABOUT WHITE EAGLE WANNABE

Body: Not too long ago I wrote you about a man named Grandfather Two Feathers running a scam charging people to sweat, to go on vision quests etc...well, he was taught by a Seneca elder named Twlah Nitsch who also taught RACHEL HOLZWARTH...Twlah is a Seneca from the Seneca Nation at Cattaraugus, route 438 Irving, New York 12837 (716)532-4900 and for years she has been selling EVERYTHING for a price, she would adopt people, charge for sweats etc...To the Seneca people she was a joke but to the faithkeepers and traditional people she was a disgrace...last I heard she was living in Texas and I don't even know if she is still alive...nonetheless, this explains many, many things...I suspect White Eagle Woman was adopted (paid a preety penny) and went on from there...This by no means is a small organization it has been getting larger and larger every year...

Cattaraugus has alot of good people there and I know for years they did'nt like what Twlah was doing....Since this is not my Rez.

(our Rez are in Canada) we know some people, but I think the person to contact would be Cheif Emerson Webster (he is from the Tonawanda Band Of Seneca his phone number is (716)474-4229 (last I know that was his number) it has been about a year since I last saw him...

It is tragic seeing our own people doing these things, but it appears to be happening more and more...

Talk to all of you soon!!

Also see  powwows.com/gathering/nativeissues/4392grandmother-drum

Added: Dang....I cant get the above link to work...sorry :(
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 21, 2008, 11:53:42 pm
Holzwarth has got some gall (as if we didn't already know that.) The photos on that Earth Pledge site are Mayan women of Mexico or Guatemala.

---

We really should thank Janette Murray Wakelin for her decency and doing the right thing. From what I've found about her, she's an athlete from New Zealand who lives in Canada, and became interested in Zen and healing. I doubt she would've ever had anything to do with booking Holzwarth if she knew the truth from the start.

If she's reading this, you have my thanks. And if anyone comes into contact with her, please pass them along to her.

---

The Center of Light is Nuage Central. I doubt anyone could get through to them, even the best shrinks. They've been discussed here at NAFPS before hosting other frauds like "Limping Snow Wolf" and a would be Atlantean healer.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1362.0

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=605.0

It seems to me that Holzwarth may be one of Nitsche's franshisees, but she's mostly tied to Benny LeBeau. And that alone should be all anyone needs to prove that LeBeau is an exploiter and sellout.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 22, 2008, 12:10:24 am
I couldn't get the powwow.com link to work either. You have to go to the homepage and do a search for grandmother drum. It shows up at
http://www.powwows.com/gathering/native-issues/43892-grandmother-drum-project-whirling-rainbow-foundation.html?=

Apparently an Alaska Native going by Blackbear knows exactly what kind of a person she is.

--------------------
Blackbear
Gone Fishing
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Alaska
Posts: 9,316
 Yes.. I do.. and I've posted about this woman before! She's a flaky, pale white chick with red hair who was claiming Seneca when I first met her but did'nt recognize her "traditional" songs and found out her family was Twyla Nitch.

She is the one that started this grandmother drum project because the natives up here started telling her that women are'nt supposed to be on a powwow drum and I don't think she liked being told she could'nt because she was a woman.

She tries to act all peaceful and serene and she just gives you the willies to stand next to her like most of these really flaked out New Agers.

-----------------------

Later on he comments about Nitsche:

"Twylah is enrolled with the Seneca Nation of Indians but only becuase she fits the criteria. She's not got a quantum that would impress anyone but she's down a maternal line so she qualifies. She also never grew up with the Seneca, around or involved with them in any way shape or form but passes her new age crap off as traditional seneca spiritualism. And apparently she adopts just about everyone she meets."

"After all her misleading of the whole Seneca culture and misrepresentation.. personally I would have moved to have had her dis-enrolled myself. But I know people who have called the main offices for SNI and they don't deny she's enrolled but don't exactly lay claim to her either."

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Then he answers a post by another member.

 03-25-2008, 03:03 PM    #18 (permalink) 
Blackbear
Gone Fishing
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Alaska
Posts: 9,316
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WocusWoman 
YouTube - GrandMother Drum White Eagle
I'm sorry, here is the Link of her promotional video. I had a hard time not giggling at it.

"Did you ever meet her? I'd be surprised if you have'nt... she used to "drum" for a short time with that mixed gender drum from Anchorage (who now does'nt let women on the drum) and used to go to all the alaskan powwows until people started telling her to take a hike.

The first time I saw her was on the eating break at the Eklutna powwow in 2000 and she was "entertaining" the lunch crowds with her "traditional" seneca songs that I did'nt recognize becuase they sounded like something Buffy St. Marie would have sang in an unrecognizable language.

The last powwow I saw her at she was trying to fancy dance wearing a fake buckskin dress, using an open poncho for a shawl with head hole framing her red hair and jingle bells sewn to the end of her fake buckskin dress and doing some kind of wierd skipping move. OH and sporting her pentagram necklace."
 
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More of their conversation:

WocusWoman
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Interior Alaska
Posts: 2,658
 I have not personally met her; however... I have several friends both native and non-native who unfortunately went to one of her performances about 3 years ago now and even the non-native friends thought she was hokey or a wannabee. My one good friend, whom is non-native but enjoys volunteering with the powwow here was very offended by this woman. She told the audience how good it felt to be wearing nothing under her buckskin dress, etc. etc.
     
 03-27-2008, 02:26 PM    #24 (permalink) 
Blackbear
Gone Fishing
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Alaska
Posts: 9,316
 Yeah she's really out there... a friend of mine introduced her to me at the Seward Powwow in 2001 telling me she was seneca (second encounter with her) and got sneaky with her asking her questions and you could immediately tell she was not being honest about being Seneca or having Seneca family for that matter. Then she decided to switch the story up a bit and said she was adopted out...trying to make it sound like she was adopted out of the seneca Nation but knew her family but then find out the truth is she was adopted by Twylah in Twylah's way.  She's also another one of these folks that thinks indian spirituality is a "sexy" thing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 12:22:25 am
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Sunday, May 25 All day Healing Waters Ceremony with GrandMother Drum When May 25, 2008
Where Dallas/ Fort Worth, Texas
Host Sponsors: Donna Reis 817-788-9451
donna@colorvibration.com
and O! Suzanna - Suzanna Brown 214-906-7528
suzanna@osuzanna.com
(We have been told this event is cancelled...but it doesnt hurt to ensure it stays that way)

I called and talked to Donna Reis this afternoon. She told me that she and Suzanna Brown had decided not to sponsor the Grandmother Drum back in February and had notified Holzwarth. She said "it just didn't feel right". They'd actually cancelled prior to the demonstration in Weymouth and the protests that are going on now. She told me it made her feel good to know that listening to her feelings had been the right thing to do. While Reis does believe in peace and harmony among all people, she feels this needs to be accomplished without deceit. Be who you were intended to be; don't try to be someone different. I thanked her for cancelling.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 22, 2008, 01:44:59 am
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because she is not no-profit its commercial
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 02:01:30 am
The Center of Light is Nuage Central. I doubt anyone could get through to them, even the best shrinks. They've been discussed here at NAFPS before hosting other frauds like "Limping Snow Wolf" and a would be Atlantean healer.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1362.0

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=605.0

Just read those pages. No wonder I had a headache after spending half an hour on the phone to Annette Jones. I had no idea what I was getting myself into when I called her.

I've been wondering about the Ojibwe Elder George from the Upper Peninsula. How could he view the Grandmother Drum DVD and think Holzwarth's heart was pure? Why would he teach Edward Jones how to conduct sweat lodges?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 22, 2008, 06:22:00 am
Some very, very odd things are going on. Or maybe it's just what scammers do... One of the PA organizers claimed that Holzwarth never claimed to be Seneca, or any sort of Native American. So, as we've seen, it looks like she alters her story depending on who she's talking to. I told this woman ("Honey") that by all the terminology, regalia, name, props and ceremonies she uses, she is implying she's Native, and empowered to do Native ceremonies, even if she doesn't claim that ancestry to everyone she meets.

But somehow I don't think putting up a picture of Mayan women for her user picture shows any sort of change of heart about misrepresenting herself as Native.

The more I read about her, the more Holzwarth sounds mentally ill to me. And as for those white nuagers who are so much on the same page with her that they think the fact that she was "nice" to them personally somehow overrides her fraud... well, either mentally ill, willfully ignorant, racist, and/or all of the above.

However, it does my heart good to see the people who have had a change of heart about her, and all the people who've joined in to fight this fraud. It's really making a difference, and we need to keep it up! (Then on to the next one.)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on April 22, 2008, 03:28:02 pm
The Ojibwe Elder George from the Upper Peninsula....do you know his last name? Could it be the Ojibwe Elder George Whipple? Sorry...Im just trying to place the name is all.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 04:01:14 pm
The Ojibwe Elder George from the Upper Peninsula....do you know his last name? Could it be the Ojibwe Elder George Whipple? Sorry...Im just trying to place the name is all.

I don't know the last name; would have posted it if I had it. When Jones first started talking about him, she only said that her husband had taken this to his Elder. I asked what Nation her husband was and she replied that he was not Native American. Then she told me the story of how an Ojibwe Elder from the Upper Peninsula had become her husband's "mentor". She said that the Elder had "sought out" her husband because of a "recurring dream" he'd had. Her husband had not approached the Elder first. When I asked who this Elder was, all I got was the first name. She said that George had taught her husband how to conduct sweat lodges. I asked if her husband had gone to Sundance and she replied that he hadn't been able to attend "Thirsty Dance" yet because of time constraints, but hoped to in the near future. At least she had the terminology right. Maybe if you know anyone from the Upper Peninsula, they might be able to tell you who this is. If George is really an Elder, someone should know who he is. There's more to being an Elder than just getting old. But then, maybe Jones doesn't realize that. I thought about calling her back to get a last name and/or a town, but yesterday I just wasn't up to even a few more minutes on the phone with her. Do you have any idea how difficult it was to remain calm, polite, professional in the face of so much New Age stupidity? I did it, but didn't trust myself to maintain my composure for a second phone call back-to-back.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 22, 2008, 06:10:41 pm
Edward has even given himself a Name.  Look at http://www.centeroflight.us/html/SweatLodge.html to see he is not Edward Jones, but Edward Golden Eagle.  He has someone else called Rebecca Medicine Owl doing them as well.  Are any of these people certified by the Native American Church to be doing these sweats, or is this just more of the government turning a blind eye.  This would not be allowed if someone was representing themself as a priest.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 06:35:57 pm
Rebecca Medicine Owl is Rebecca Denton-Wuerth. She's a Reiki master and teaches at the Center for Light Spirituality. Those classes aren't cheap either.
http://www.centeroflight.us/html/Reiki.html


Their site says she's Ojibwe. From their World Peace Festival in 2004:

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The Owl Spirit Song & Dance, Rebecca Medicine Owl (Ojibway) & White Owl Woman (Potawatomi) Share with great respect the Owl's powerful healing medicine of transformation as gifted to them through their prayers, visions & dreams.
http://spiritualitycenter.centeroflight.us/html/FridayFestival.html
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 06:42:46 pm
Annette Jones, who I spoke with yesterday, channels angels!

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Rev. Annette Jones, has been channeling both her personal, as well as, universal angels for 10 years
Connecting her clients to their personal angels is a gift they all cherish and in most cases it is quite an uplifting and emotional experience. Our personal angels are with us from the moment we leave our eternal home and begin the sojourn here on the earth plane. They are charged with protecting, guiding and enlightening us to follow the path we have chosen and often seek to communicate with us to enhance our understanding of the challenges we are facing in our effort to grow spiritually.

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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: crazyeagle on April 22, 2008, 07:14:35 pm
I have this from a posting on a site I belong to:

From: kwetcipenes@ alaska.net
Date: 4/22/2008 10:34:57 AM
To: Native_American_ Issues_Causes@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: NA Issues & Causes what does anyone know about SurajHolzwarth (White Eagle Woman)
 
Oh my God, I know her personally from up here in Alaska.  She is a phoney, Wica, thief.  I'm so freaked that you brought her up as I heard about her again yesterday.  The word is out that Her grandmother drum is being turned away from powwows down there.  Please, let the word out down there not to have her perform.  Up here, Elders have thrown her out of the villages.  She has stolen $10,000.00 from the Elders in Anchorage.  I thought that she faded into the sunset after all this time but I'm been hearing from people on the East Coast that she is back to her nasty behavior.  I could go on and on about the bad things she's done.  Also, the Elders up here forbade us for speaking her made up name as it gives her more power.  Her real name is Rachel.  Please, Please, don't let her into your villages.  She only brings trouble.
                                                                                 
Wanishi,
Judy
 
-------Original Message----- --
 
From: wildman1849@ webtv.net
Date: 04/22/08 10:21:42
To: Native_American_ Issues_Causes@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: NA Issues & Causes what does anyone know about SurajHolzwarth (White Eagle Woman)
 
Plenty !
There 2 groups now trying to shut her down - not counting Indians in
real life!
She uses a &foot drum that has crystal skulls inbedded in the center of
the drum skin and someone's ashes inside the drum!
Claims native but has been proven not otherwise and calls her group
rainbow something which shhe stole from NAI - charges fees yet is on a
501 non profit set up and is as twinky as sunbear!
She needs to be stopped good!
If I run across more info - I will try sending more info to sites that
are trying to shut her down!
She is bad medicne!!!!!



 
 
   
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 07:55:10 pm
I just tried to call Annette Jones this afternoon. The phone rang twice and I got this message: "This telephone number has been temporarily disconnected".
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 22, 2008, 08:00:15 pm
WOW, Is she tring to get away from the harassing phone calls?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 22, 2008, 08:09:16 pm
Wasn't there someone tied to the Atlanteans in one of the earlier blogs?  This Center of Light is too if you go to their website , about us, mind of the center, what creates http://spiritualitycenter.centeroflight.us/html/MindOfTheCenter.html they are tied to this Atlantean crap too, how do they do traditional healing using Native Names and then proclaim this junk?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 08:20:19 pm
Had called Gail Miller, Conscious Mind Journal, earlier today. Left a message on her answering machine, asking her to call me with just my name and phone #. She returned my call. Yes, the weekend is still going on as planned. She's busy taking orders for tickets. She wasn't taking calls from protesters. And then she hung up on me.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2008, 09:39:20 pm
Grandmother Drum - Awakening the Global Heart
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Added: 12 February 2007
Grandmother Drum Trailer (2:34) - One Drum, One Heartbeat, One Family, One Earth GrandMother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart

Seven years in the making, this documentary tracks the journey of the large seven foot GrandMother Drum from a vision given in dream, to a year long building process to traveling the world gathering thousands in worldwide drum vigils for peace and dynamic multicultural prayerformances. A good news story to inspire you! For more information, go to http://whirlingrainbow.com/
Posted by http://enlightenedfilms.com

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Adding comments has been disabled for this video.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cp6eu1w-wDQ&feature=related

He's deleted all our comments and disabled adding comments. Enlightenedfilms.com sounds like a puppet of Holzwarth and the Whirling Rainbow Foundation.



 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 23, 2008, 12:26:07 am
The would be Atlantean was a supposed Mexican NDN healer named Thaayadodhi (sp?) claiming to be or teach Toltec, Olmec, Teotihuacan, etc, but was based in the wealthiest and whitest parts of Colorado.

There must be half a dozen calling themselves "White Owl Woman" online, but none that I could find claiming Pottawatomi.

The Center of Light:

"We are a non-denominational, interfaith organization based in metaphysics...you may experience your spirituality through Native American drumming, healings, meditation, Buddhist teachings, channeled Angels, Sufi poetry & dance, or lessons on universal laws, etc."

No kidding, they believe in ETC.

"Current Services Offered by appointment:
> The Inner Dimensional Sound Chamber
> Psycho-Spiritual Counseling
> Hypnotherapy
> Spiritual Readings
> Spiritual Healings
> Massage Therapy
> Comprehensive Biofield assesments"

Well we wouldn't want any biofield assignments done quickly, would we?

Also:

"> Mosaic labyrinth development
> Dome construction"

And:

"Women's Pipe Ceremony
Facilitator: Rebecca Healing Bear Bucala (Cherokee tradition)
First (1st) Friday of every Month 7 - 10 PM
In honor of all women with love and support for one another. This gathering is held in native tradition. In this sacred circle, women will experience sacred songs, native teachings & rituals, as well as, the opportunity to share feelings, stories, wisdom and so much more, as the talking stick is passed. Pipe ceremony is a part of the evening.
A Pipe Ceremony is a Native American based prayer ceremony where we access Gitchie Manitou"

No idea why a woman claiming to be "Cherokee tradition" but not Cherokee would be using Ojibwe terms.
I did find a Rebecca Bucala who was a costumer for films, but don't know if this is the same person.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117847/

I don't think Enlightened Films is necessarily Holzwarth's bunch. They seem to be working with a wide variety of Nuagers.
http://enlightenedfilms.com/directory.html

And have made several Nuage films (including promoting Holzwarth) and several that aren't.
http://enlightenedfilms.com/spiritual.html
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 23, 2008, 01:31:20 am
I didn't mean Enlightened Films was one of Holzwarth's corporations. Meant Holzwarth is pulling his strings. He's obviously a believer, a disciple. Ed/Enlightened Films march to the beat of the Grandmother Drum, so to speak.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 23, 2008, 02:46:15 am
Typed in a google for Whirling Rainbow and came across a site of one of the people funding Holzwarth's visit to Yellowstone for the upcoming Eden Event or Gathering of One....this one made me sick to my stomach.  Not only is this misguided fella thinking he's getting something authentically Native American, she managed to sell a few more ceremonies to him in the process....read the whole thing.  It's a candid posting about his interaction with Holzwarth and how she operates...which is EXACTLY how we all were suspecting she did....

http://www.hanson-shelton.com/html/sept__2007.html
----------------------------------------September 21, 2007

In my phone call with White Eagle Medicine Woman, we discussed many
topics ranging from the coming of the Hopi Elders to the Eden Event to the history
of the Grandmother Drum, to which she is the guardian and keeper. The Grandmother Drum represents for us a physical manifestation of what White Eagle calls the
Grandmothers. Amazingly, inside the seven-foot wide Grandmother Drum is embedded crystals in the shape of what we know as the Shekinah seal of Peace. This magnificent drum is the voice of the Mother, what the angels have told us in their language is the Voice of the Shekinah. Indeed, I can attest that when I have listened to the Grandmother Drum I have heard the Voice of Shekinah as I have heard this voice in the extreme quiet of Mother Nature.

Our hope is that White Eagle will be able to attend the Eden Event and bring
the Grandmother Drum to Yellowstone. If you haven't seen or heard this gift of the
Grandmothers, go to www.youtube.com and type in "Grandmother Drum" and prepare yourself  for a message in complete harmony with our own.

Two remarkable stories rest in place already because of our connecting with White Eagle  through Barry Goldstein, who interviewed this medicine woman on World Puja Radio Network. The interview is archived on their website for August of 2007. I strongly
recommend everyone listen to an affirmation to what we, ourselves, have been called to
co-create.

The first story has to do with how we eventually connected with
White Eagle. She had sent me an e-mail stating that she had heard from Barry and was being called into meditation as to whether and how she might work with or support the Global Eden Event. About this time, Lynn Jones and Gayle Buchholz had reconnected with two Hopi Elders. After meeting with the two Elders, Gayle and Lynn asked them if they would join us at Yellowstone. The one Elder from Tuba City, known as the Keeper of the Secrets and Prophecies, shared a few of the prophecies that seemed to point directly at the work we are doing around Oneness and Peace. As he shared this information, three eagles circled above them.
Previous to this, he wanted a group of us to visit him to make sure
of our intent and our path. But with the circling of eagles, Gayle took the opportunity
to ask him again if he would come to Yellowstone to teach us the Dance of Oneness. And he agreed he would.
The other Elder, from Second Mesa, was quite enthused about the direction our work is
headed, and spoke to Lynn and Gayle at length. This Elder is more open to modernity and
the efforts we as the White Nation are moving toward. It was this Elder who met with a
South American tribe regarding their common prophesy of the coming together of the
Eagle and Condor. Not only did he also agree to come to Yellowstone to join us, but he
has also stated that he will create a sacred design that will be turned into a pendant to
commemorate the Eden Event at Yellowstone.
 
What's really nice, is that these pendants will most likely be put up for sale before the
Eden Event to help fund the Hopi journey to meet us, even though it is our intent to visit them in February at their sacred dance festival, and to give them gifts to make their journey much easier. A group will be put together to offer them gifts and honor for this decision to join us. We know that the Keeper of the Secrets is a dancer and has agreed to show us how to dance the Dance of Oneness, and that ceremonial feathers would help them address their needs for creating ceremonial garments for the Dance of Oneness. We are also attempting to discover other needs they might have in the making of ceremonial drums and offerings. It will be left up to the First Nations Team to work this out as to who would go and what would be presented.

The Keeper of the Secrets has also agreed to make prayer bundles for those who would like to have their prayers answered through the traditional Hopi way. People would send requests for prayers along with a donation ($25), and in turn a sacred Hopi prayer bundle would be sent to that person. This would be another way we could show respect to the Hopi for their openness to us.

After waiting to hear from White Eagle, I decided to e-mail her again to let her know that the Hopi Elders had decided to join us at Yellowstone. Her response was immediate. She told me that in her spirit walk (shamanic trance journey) she had been told that the signal for her to engage with us would be the Hopi coming to Yellowstone. So when my e-mail reached her about the Hopi Elders' decision, she called right away.

We talked on the phone the next day for two hours. What an amazing conversation. As things stand right now, White Eagle has many commitments already for next year. In February she will begin a U.S. tour of the Grandmother Drum, starting in Colorado. There is a chance that she might be able to end the tour at Yellowstone if her other commitments in Alaska at that time will permit it. What she did share with me is that the spirit helpers seem to already be indicating a commitment of some kind toward Yellowstone. As part of the mission of the Grandmother Drum and the Whirling Rainbow Foundation, in certain areas they build smaller ceremonial drums, about 3 feet wide that they leave with a guardian or keeper as part of the network of sacred drums. At the time Lynn and Gayle were meeting with the Hopi, White Eagle's drum builders were in the careful process of building one of these drums for a city in western Alaska. But as the drum was being constructed, one of the drum apprentices began to have visions from the drum spirits. He went to White Eagle with the vision and she explored the vision herself. What they discovered was that the drum spirits were redirecting this sacred drum to Yellowstone! This means that White Eagle and the Whirling Rainbow Foundation have indeed, connected with our efforts at Yellowstone. It only remains to be seen to what degree their efforts will carry them. The ceremonial drum will be brought to Yellowstone whether the Grandmother Drum arrives or not. A process will be determined as to who will be the guardian and keeper of this sacred drum.

I have let White Eagle know that Robbie and I, as representatives of the Leadership Council have committed to paying White Eagle's expenses to come to Yellowstone, to whatever degree that may be. She asked how long we would wish her there. I told her, minimally one day — to bring the Grandmother Drum into the Dance of Oneness, which will call the tribes together. White Eagle shared with me that in her spirit walk she saw four tribes formally honored by our visits, as we will formally visit the Hopi. She could only remember three of the tribes, and will have to go to those who copied down the information to get the last tribe's name. The three tribes she could remember are the
Hopi, the Navajo, and the Shoshone.

If possible, it would be ideal to have White Eagle and the Grandmother Drum at Yellowstone two days, the second day using the heartbeat of the drum to set the vibration as we call in both the Grandmother/Shekinah and the Grandfather/Metatron as they move into Oneness through our own oneness. Robbie would have to have the ritual coordinator work closely with White Eagle's people and the visiting tribes, who will also be invited to the gathering field to join us around the Grand Formation on Saturday evening, so that our ritual honors all. If we decide to have additional ceremony with the Grandmother drum in our opening and closing ceremony, I told White Eagle that would require four days of participation. The number of days of potentially having the Grandmother Drum will depend on White Eagle's availability and our own ability to fully fund her entourage at $2500 a day, plus lodging and food. As Robbie and I have already pondered, White Eagle suggested we come up with an umbrella term for the Eden Event as we invite the globe. In one of her spiritwalks, she saw the name "The Gathering of One."
Something we should discuss further soon. For she also stated that this event will be so big that we really must move quickly because of commitments by tribal Elders and spiritual Elders. Bob Screws is the Outreach Team coordinator. Perhaps we should set a time table for this part of the Event.

I expressed concern in using proper diplomacy in inviting the tribes to Yellowstone. White Eagle offered to assist in this matter, and I let her know that she would be paid as a consultant for her talents. She not only has connections to the tribes of North America but also connections to the tribes of South America and Australia, to whom we will send forth messages in the future. But our emphasis will be on the coming together of the Eagle and Condor at Yellowstone. In the coming week, I will meet with the Boulder Spirit Circle of the Pachamama Alliance to let them know what has happened: that the
Hopi Elders, White Eagle, and the Quetchua of Peru have all agreed to either come to
Yellowstone or participate in another way with the Global Eden Event. The leaders of the Pachamama Alliance will be meeting with the Achuar of Equador next month. One of our Boulder Pachamama people will be a part of that group. My intent is to use this setting to announce to both the Achuar and the Pachamama Alliance the intent and purpose of the
Global Eden Event. My hope is that the Pachamama Alliance, with all its outreach and resources will join us in this effort, perhaps undertaking to fund the travel of the Condor tribes to Yellowstone.

White Eagle has also suggested that we work with her group to pay for a spirit walk session to get further direction as how to proceed in our efforts of bringing the Eagle and the Condor together. The cost of the session is $222 for two hours. I take this as an honor, knowing how trying it is for spirit walkers to enter into trance with the Otherworld for such a period of time. It is my recommendation to the Leadership Council that we do enter into such an agreement with the Whirling Rainbow Foundation as we begin the process of inviting the world to Yellowstone.

Much sharing of information on a personal level rounded out the two-hour phone discussion. Truly, I have met a spirit sister whose soul harmonizes with the Shekinah/Grandmother. But what fully intrigued me was our discussion about the Metatron, who has also become a part of White Eagle's mission. As we begin our own process of preparing for the coming the Metatron into the third-dimensional world, White Eagle has suggested that one of our people take her Internet course on the Metatron. As we move into common journey, I find this a worthy suggestion. I put it before the Council to find one of our people to take this on, and if need be, pay for the course work.

As we finished our phone conversation, I wrote down her suggestion that we begin efforts to also connect with Adam Yellow Bird of Earth Dance. Even though we are indirectly connecting with another remarkable organization through CommonPassion.org,
EarthDance.org, I do believe our Outreach Team should explore this suggestion of connecting with both Adam Yellow Bird and Chris Dekker as we begin to send out the announcement that the Bird Tribe of the Seven Colors of the Rainbow, who call themselves the Angels of the Nations, has asked us to call the world into Oneness at Yellowstone.

It is my intent to send out a message to the Circle of Sevens about what has happened, and to begin continuing that message through the Marketing Team and Outreach Team as we move into full engagement with the world. When the angels give us the sacred geometry that will be used by groups around the world, I will take this geometry to the people of the Condor and the Eagle, letting them know that the entire world will connect with them through this sacred design and our sacred ceremony.

From my heart to yours,
Gary
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 23, 2008, 02:53:33 am
Also listened to the radio interview from World Puja (the second interview..)

Most of it goes on and on about her new age philosophies...the parts that got me were where she sang a song (this was on speakerphone) that she said was given to her by "First Nations Grandmothers" and when it was being sung to her the river they were standing by suddenly became free from all pollution.  She also throws on one of the tracks from her CD of the drum just being hit in a heartbeat rhythm and then recites her "Earth Pledge" with the host Barry Goldstein ending it with "Mitakuye Oyasin"

 ::)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 23, 2008, 03:58:28 am
I think it is actually in West Yellowstone MT. Which is out the West Gate of the Yellowstone Park.  I doubt if the NPS would foot a bill like that. West Yellowstone is mostly a tourist draw, but there use to be a rather large militia group tied to some strange chruch. But they may have been raided by ATF, it's been a while since I heard anything about them.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 23, 2008, 03:54:08 pm
Also info on Yellowstone gathering...

http://www.lifewebnetwork.com/funding.htm#donate
About the Elders and How You Can Help

Total sponsorship donated to-date: $30,170

Total sponsorship needed: $34,210
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Don Alejandro Oxlaj, Grand Elder of the Mayan People, head of the National Mayan Council of Elders, Day Keeper of the Mayan Calendar, Grand Elder of the Continental Council of Elders and Spiritual Guides of the Americas, and a 13th generation Quiche Mayan High Priest. Traveling with his wife Elizabeth Araujo, his interpreter.

Don Alejandro, known as Wondering Wolf, is one of the most highly respected Elders of the Americas. He has lectured all over the world, meeting with other international Elders. He is considered an authority on Mayan prophecy, especially the prophecies of the Jaguar, as well as the prophecies of the Eagle and the Condor. As Grand Elder of the Americas, he is highly regarded as a medicine man and a catalyst for healing on global levels. We are extremely fortunate to have this Mayan Grand Elder as part of The Gathering of One.

Travel: flight from Guatemala City, Guatemala to West Yellowstone, MT for 2
Cost: $2400 or frequent flyer miles donated

Food & Lodging 7 days: $1360

Honorarium: $1000

Total costs: $4760

Donations to date: $4760 ... fully funded

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Milland Lomakema, Hopi Spokesman of Second Mesa. It is rare for the Hopi to participate in any non-Hopi ceremony. But Elder Lomakema has a history of reaching out to other cultures, having met once already with Kogui Elders (Mamos) in one of the first ceremonies in South America bringing together the Eagle and the Condor. Because of his contacts, he has been approached travelers from the South America with the stone tablet of the South, which begins the fulfillment of another prophecy that states that when the stone tablets come together, humanity will move to the next level of Beauty (awareness). The Hopi hold another stone tablet, with the third and fourth tablets located in Tibet and Kenya. These tablets are millennia old. Milland will be traveling with his wife and granddaughter.

Travel: flight from Phoenix, AZ to West Yellowstone for 3 ... Cost: $1200

Food & Lodging for 6 days: $1500

Honorarium: $500

Total costs: $2830

Donations to date: $2830 ... fully funded
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George Nasafotie, Jr., Hopi Keeper of the Secrets and Prophecies. Elder Nasfotie carries the Hopi lineage, of the Secrets of the Hopi , handed down for many generations in his family. As the Keeper of the Prophecies, he understands the importance of what the world is about to attempt. Rarely will a distinguished Keeper work with the White People regarding prophecy. But it turns out that one of the secret prophecies addresses the very thing being brought forward by The Gathering of One. Thus the reason for this rare opportunity to present itself, as the Elders from around the world gather together in West Yellowstone. He travels with his wife, Alberta.

Travel: flight from Phoenix, AZ to West Yellowstone for 2
Cost: $800

Food & Lodging for 6 days: $1360

Honorarium: $500

Total costs:$2660

Donations to date: $2660 ... fully funded

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Bennie "Blue Thunder" Lebeau, medicine man of the Eastern Shoshone, is one of the hosting Elders who will welcome his counterparts to The Gathering of One. As a member of the Spiritual Elders of the Mother Earth, he is acquainted with the other Elders who will be coming to this event and his follow-up event he is putting on at the Grand Tetons on August 8, 2008 (the 8-8-8). Blue Thunder speaks around the world about the necessity of bringing humanity back in harmony with Mother Earth. He is particularly concerned with the Yellowstone caldera which prophecies foretell will enter into another great eruption unless the land is brought back in balance. The Hopi, related to the Shoshone, have a similar prophecy. Elder Nasafotie entered into a four-day vision quest after meeting with our people, and announced afterward that in his visions he saw the caldera going silent if The Gathering of One brought together the 444 people at The Gathering of One. Blue Thunder travels with his wife. As the hosting nation, he also is asking funding for 20 other tribal members to accompany him.

Travel: Gas for the tribe to bring its people, drums, and ceremonial regalia from Wind River reservation, Wyoming, to West Yellowstone ... 200 people in all ... Cost: $5000

Food 7 days and 200 people ... $10,000

Forest Service camping permit for 1 week for 200
8 porta-potties, bear-proof dumpsters, porta-showers, drinking water ... $9000

Honorarium: $1000

Total costs: $25000

Donations to date: $0 ... $25000 needed

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White Eagle Medicine Woman, guardian of the Grandmother Drum that has traveled the world in the name of Peace, has dedicated her life to bringing tribes together, and now the world. This dynamic leader and messenger of Peace has agreed to participate in The Gathering of One as well as serve as a guide in bringing together different traditions and cultures from around the world. She brings with her a staff of five who assist her in her travels across the planet.

Travel: Gas for bringing her staff and the 7 ft. wide Grandmother Drum from Alaska  ...  Cost: $3500

Food and lodging for 6 for 7 days: $1870

Honorarium: $4000

Donations to date: $9370 ... fully funded

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Sequoyah Trueblood, ambassador of the Northern Tribes and Honorary Elder of the Mamos of South America, is the holder of the prestigious Eagle and Condor Peace Pipe. The Eagle Condor Peace Pipe is considered one of the four most sacred peace pipes of the world. Sequoyah travels the world speaking of the return to Oneness of humanity. He is respected by the Grand Elders of the South for his visionary abilities and his true heart. Sequoyah, as ambassador, has invited the Mamos Elders to meet with the other Elders of the World at West Yellowstone. The Mamos are planning to send two of their Elders, a Grandmother holy woman, and a Grandfather medicine man. The Grandmother will bring with her the secret of The Dance of Oneness, which she will teach all at West Yellowstone. Their enterage will also include a translator.

Travel: flight from Bogota to West Yellowstone for 4
Cost: $4700

Food & Lodging for 7 days: $1400

Honorarium: $1500

Total costs: $7600

Donations to date: $7600 ... fully funded

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Jim Tree sits as a spiritual advisor on the council for the "Keepers of the Sacred Tradition of Pipemakers." He is the Native American Issues Advisor for Montana Youth Homes, and on the board of advisors for the E.T. Seton Institute and, providing council about the Sacred Pipe to inmates of the Montana State Prison Systems. Since the spring of 1999, Jim has been responsible for the "United Nations Turtle Pipe", the Ceremonial Pipe presented to the U.N. in 1978 by Adam and holds this Pipe for ceremonies worldwide representing Native American Leadership Alliance.

Travel: Driving to Yellowstone
Cost: $150

Food & Lodging for 5 days: $980

Honorarium: $250

Total Costs: $1380

Donations to date: $0 ... $1380 needed

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Other requests:

Quetzal Tzab ... Mexico, Mayan Itza shaman & lecturer ... estimated costs ... $2200

Hilario Chiriap ... Ecuador, Shuar medicine man ... estimated costs ... $2200

13 Grandmothers representative ... Margaret Behan ... estimated costs ... $1700

Suran ... Nepal, spiritual teacher ... 5 days of room board travel ... $1200

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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 23, 2008, 03:58:34 pm
Seems the word is getting out.  Here's a blog I found written by a non-Indian with a personal stake in this as well.


Reposted from http://nicdhana.blogspot.com/
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Friday, April 18, 2008
Seneca Man speaks out on Rachel Holzwarth


Rachel Holzwarth

There are lots of frauds out there - spiritual leaders who are using aspects of Native American ceremonies, against the wishes of those in the very communities they are stealing from. In the Gaelic and CR communities we are dealing with this when some white person decides they will justify their theft by calling it "Celtic", and hoping people are stupid enough to not know that the ceremonies and beliefs of the diverse Celtic Nations are different from those of the various First Nations. While some settle for the ugliness of painting a triskele on a fake Indian drum and doing their idea of a chanupa (pipe) ceremony, the really shameless have even gone so far as to publicly tack a mis-applied Gaelic (or other Celtic language) name on their idea of an Inipi or smudging ceremony, stupidly thinking that no one out there who is actually part of these cultures will notice. Though not always confronted in public, these people are being laughed at by those who speak the languages (Native American and Celtic languages).

Sometimes the theft gets so egregious that the laughter turns to anger, and people rise up and go public with it, despite the fact that many of these frauds have a number of Newage supporters. This has been happening more and more lately, and as Native American protesters and their supporters are getting more organized, the trend is going to continue. A recent example of this is the movement against Rachel Holzwarth, aka Suraj Holzwarth (sometimes her last name has also been spelled Holzworth). She has renamed herself "White Eagle Medicine Woman", despite these being titles one has to earn, from communities she has no legitimate connection to. She is traveling around, selling "prayerformances", at which she wears Indian regalia and claims to present a Seneca ceremony. She is not Seneca. This is what an actual Seneca has to say about it:




For more on Holzwarth, check out the very long and detailed thread on NAFPS, and the briefer MySpace page by one of the groups organizing protests. The MySpace page also includes more pictures and videos. So far the group has been successful in getting many of her engagements shut down. The ones that have not yet been canceled... if she attempts to proceed, the protests are being planned.

When she performed in Massachusetts, Wampanoags and their supporters stood up to her. The confrontation became bloody when her security, and the cops they called, attacked the protestors. In an act of desecration, Holzwarth walked up to Hartman Deetz, one of the Wampanoag men, beaten by the cops, who was lying in a pool of his own blood on the floor; she rubbed her hands in his blood, then proceeded to rub his blood into the skin of her drum.

Maybe she did it so now she can say she "has Native blood." And for the first time it won't be a lie.

Oh, btw, when asked her ancestry she has given a variety of conflicting stories. She's claimed she's Seneca because... she dreamed she's Seneca. She has also said she's "Seneca and Celtic." Great. Just Great. Guess what Rachel, we don't want you either.

crossposted to Craobh Caorann
Labels: activism, cultural appropriation, Newage Frauds, Plastic Shamans, racism, Shameons


posted by Kathryn Price NicDh? na @ 10:55 PM 2 comments
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on April 23, 2008, 04:51:55 pm
Got tied up or i would have reposted the whole thing, Cat.  and YES I am still recovering from last night rofl.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on April 23, 2008, 06:20:08 pm
Here's a list from the myspace page of what's been accomplished so far...further down I'll put what the future plans are and where you can get info on upcoming protests for her performances in Michigan coming very soon (May 2-4)

From www.myspace.com/istealfromndns
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WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THUS FAR:

1. Official investigation opened by Federal Fish and Wildlife Services!

2. IRS is officially looking into Whirling Rainbow Foundation's 501(c)(3)

3. Ohio event - SHUT DOWN!

4. Walter Reed - SHUT DOWN!

5. Dallas, Ft. Worth, TX event - SHUT DOWN!

6. Bear Butte event - SHUT DOWN!

7. Courtenay, B.C. - SHUT DOWN!

8. Michigan @ Oakland County is next...

Solaj 'White - - Woman', when you mock the Native traditions, you aren't only disrespecting the people of now...

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Info on Michigan Protest
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Heads up; Michigan protest


We need to start organizing the Michigan protest for Friday nite May 2nd from 7-10PM, at Troy Community Center 3179 Livernois Troy, Michigan (just north of Big Beaver-also called 16 mile road) off of I-75 .

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Comment reply from Kim:
Michigan protest is already organized...6:00 at the Troy Community Center. I have given them one more chance to cancel with a phone call today and she is passing on the info to mgmt. We are organizing through Native vets orgs, as well as SEMII (Southeast Michigan Indians INc.) and through NAIA near Detroit...the wheels have been in motion, just have to get the final detail and I will post.
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Also NAU (Native American Unity):

We would like to ask anyone who wishes to join in a peaceful protest at the MI weekend venue of the 2nd, 3rd and the 4th of May, please visit our forum, and make arrangements with others who also wish to attend....ie shared travel arrangements etc.

http://nativeamericanunity.aceboard.com/

Title: White Eagle Medicine Fraud.
Sub Title: Sign up to protest.

Please also pass this information on to any who wish to join at this venue.

With thanks,

NAU ~ Native American Unity
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 23, 2008, 07:22:34 pm
When was Bear Butte Cancelled? It's still on her schedule for June 26 - 29 at the Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 23, 2008, 07:50:27 pm
She never took Walter Reed off, but it was cancelled.  It's a pretty lucrative business, $4000 + expensives for her just for 5 days. Bad advertizing to show all your shows are cancelled. I know West Yellowstone is a big tourist area, but these people are living pretty good with their travel expensives for 4-5 days.  They don't sacrifice anything for whatever they are doing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 23, 2008, 07:57:59 pm
I agree - it is probably canceled... but she has a habit of finding another place close by that she can move into.... Also if she shows up at Bear Butte she's got some traditional people waiting to speak with her.

cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 23, 2008, 09:23:15 pm
I just hadn't heard anything about Bear Butte being cancelled until that list was posted. I know she'd previously been scheduled for the Community Healing Ceremonies, June 12 -15, Black Hills, South Dakota. That had been dropped when she changed her schedule to go to Tel Aviv. Israel's been dropped from schedule now. Found it hard to imagine Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum anywhere near Bear Butte. I hope it truly has been cancelled.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 23, 2008, 10:29:41 pm
I heard/read (cant remember right now) that she is sponsoring it.... I have someone looking into it but when i find out fer sure will let you all know.

cat

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cetan on April 24, 2008, 05:49:39 am
Fish and Wildlife in Ann Arbor MI have been notified, usually they are quite zealous. But the more e-mails they get the better the chances of them going to the event and citing her; the e-mail contact is craig_tabor@fws.gov
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 24, 2008, 02:35:31 pm
Fish and Wildlife knows what is going on - There is also  a meeting set up with them with a Spiritual Leader to discuss all of this about White... ... Woman.  It's looking good.. The man who owns the venue does not care if she is a fraud.."his words" she paid for the space...she can use it (paraphrase) But it is good that she is "landing" so that F&W can locate her:)
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 24, 2008, 03:02:25 pm
The protestors for Michigan are bringing a Native American Church Road Man (a Certified Spiritual Advisor) with them to the Protest to ascrtain the authenticity of her "prayerformance"
The Community Center in Troy is actually owned by the city of Troy, so this man who said "she paid for it" is not the final recourse.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 24, 2008, 03:05:36 pm
BTW Ponshe
Who is the Spiritual Leader being consulted?  What Nation is he from, since this is in Michigan it should be either Chippewa, Oddawa, Wyandotte or Pottawatomi since they are the traditional and current people of the area in question.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cetan on April 24, 2008, 04:20:55 pm
Just got this from the head of enforcement for Fish and Wildlife

Thank you. I am away from my office today, but I will look into this.
Craig Tabor

 ----- Original Message -----
  From: Cetan [seven_trinity_underground@yahoo.com]
  Sent: 04/23/2008 10:35 PM MST
  To: Craig Tabor
  Subject: illegal possession of eagle feathers

There is a non-native woman, Suzanne Holzwarth, who is going around performing "native" ceremonies for a fee of course. And she is using eagle and hawk feathers in her "ceremonies. As a native person I feel highly offended by this and as she is in violation of the Migratory Bird Act perhaps she could be cited for that. She will be in Oakland County the first weekend of May

GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
When Fri, May 2, 7pm – 10pm
Where Oakland County, Michigan
Host Sponsors: Center of Light - Annette Jones 248-236-0432
Conscious Mind Journal - Gail Miller 586-264-5457
www. centeroflight.us


As far as bringing a NAC Roadman, well they certainly are not the only spiritual advisors; the NAC is not traditional in this part of Turtle Island (or some may argue any part - and I am a NAC member so dont want to argue the point). The traditional ways here are kept by the 3 Fires medicine people, the Mdewin (spelling?).

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 24, 2008, 04:25:07 pm
Oh trust me there will be many spiritual advisors there from many locations.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 24, 2008, 06:05:59 pm
Going back to West Yellowstone. Jim Tree is suppose to be there. We have a couple of threads on The Keepers of the Sacred Tradition of Pipe Makers.  http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=31msg60#msg60   and http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=332.0     And here is Sequoyah Trueblood or whoever he is. http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=619.0
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 24, 2008, 06:59:26 pm

The Community Center in Troy is actually owned by the city of Troy, so this man who said "she paid for it" is not the final recourse.
interesting.. thank you for that info..we were told that it was his...
Has anyone approached the Mayor yet??? I called and left a message... still waiting for a return call..
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 24, 2008, 07:30:06 pm
I did not realize she was doing pipe cermonies too.  I will have to look into this further.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 25, 2008, 08:37:15 am
More people are finding out about this White EGO ... Woman.  Here is a site where the owner learned of her antics and decided to do something about it in her way.
WWW.GETJACKSONOFFTHE20.NET check it out.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on April 26, 2008, 08:09:59 pm
This was posted earlier by Wanbli.. The whole idea just sounds very off to me.


Dear Community,

Since our Prayerformance in Weymouth, Massachusetts April 4, 2008, we have received numerous emails from some traditional Native Americans regarding our international healing work. Our hosts around the world have also received phone calls and emails.



The common questions that have been raised are in reference to the heritage of members of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation, concerns about the funding of ceremonies and events, use of ceremonial items, as well as questions regarding the origins of the teachings, ceremonies, and songs of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and GrandMother Drum International Peace Project.



We acknowledge that many of these comments contatian anger and pain. If we all choose to look deeper within, we can discover the roots of our feelings, allowing them to assist us all to move into healing and creative solutions.



After reading and listening to all comments, the Board of Directors and Advisory Council of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation and the GrandMother Drum International Peace Project takes this opportunity to respond, clarify and create deeper understanding.



To give respect to the questions and concerns of the Native American Community, we have opened Friday, May 2, 2008 at 6:00pm at the Troy Community Hall 3179 Livernois MI for a Community Peace Circle to address these interests heart to heart. We are honored to welcome all those that have voiced their feelings through emails or phone calls to come in a peaceful way to resolve these concerns. We also welcome all those who feel called and would benefit from this kind of circle.



We look forward to meeting with all of you.


The Board of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 26, 2008, 09:02:09 pm
Strange they have arranged it to be the same time as the protest is supposed to start.  Sounds like they are trying to get the protesters inside so the paying audience doesn't see them, or have a chance to speak to the protesters about the REAL concerns she is performing.  I also notice they did not mention anything about who has status; even though that is a specific topic they brought up and then did the politician sales think and double talked/skirted/changed the subject.
If she is bringing the indians inside, is she going to offer free admission to actually witness her "Prayerformance"? 
If she offers it for free to the protesters, then what about all the paying audience.  She must be fair to EVERYONE!!!!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on April 26, 2008, 10:39:01 pm
Yep, it's an end  around run, she will bring everyone inside, show she is not the bad person said to be, and "heal" everyone at the same time.  She still don't get it. She is mixing Wiccan and American Indian and hasn't the slightest notion of what is going on. Looks pretty narcisisitic to me. She trying to maintain control of the situtation.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 26, 2008, 11:54:09 pm
She already does those "Mass Healings", after all in Feb. she "healed the souls on the "Trail of Tears"", yet I have felt no relief from my great grandfather who died on that trail. 
The piper must be paid; for the music has played and we will not have our children led away by him.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on April 26, 2008, 11:55:26 pm
And she is sooo going to lose control..she already has.... it's the end of the line for her "prayerformances..." You just cant argue with REAL Elders and Spiritual Leaders... they got it together where she..well......

All my respect and support for those who are able to make it up there..wish I could too...
cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on April 27, 2008, 11:19:48 am
With the recognized Elders and Spiritual leaders blocking this womans travelling medicine show
(snake....oil optional) this woman has only one place left to take this BS,I ask members of the
International Intertribal community,who are also party to this site to stay on their toes and
alert,if she has no options left in Canada or the USA,she will come to Europe.We need to know
if the slightest hint of that rears its ugly head.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 27, 2008, 06:17:47 pm
OK, my typing to fast in the dark is showing.
I'm sorry, I put in a confused contact# for Bernard.
It should be 5038907508.  Sorry!!!!  To all our helpful people please take note of this!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 27, 2008, 11:09:19 pm
OK, has anyone looked at her website lately?  She has removed all references to her or any of her board members being Native.  Did anyone get screen shots?  They are no longer saying what type of ceremony they are specifically doing, I know it used to say Timoreye performed Cherokee Medicine and was a "Cherokee Metis'" also that Rande' was Iroquois, and that Rachel was Seneca Metis' that they got the ceremony from Hopi and Navajo. ANyone get that documented?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 27, 2008, 11:41:38 pm
Many people saved as screen shots and as well html last week . We figured she would do that .
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 27, 2008, 11:47:11 pm
And by the way ... that was one of our demands that she remove all references to Tribal affiliation from her presentations . That she has now done . Think perhaps she is staring to fully realize the game is up. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 12:11:57 am
Can someone send me a copy of some of her claims, regarding the use of Cherokee, Hopi, Navajo, Seneca, Sioux, Athasbacan, etc. use of Medicine and ceremony.  We need this in our discussion with her on Friday.  We are afraid since it is no longer on her website she will deny it.  I agree she is heading in the right direction, but in doing like the police do, "to catch a criminal you have to think like a criminal".  I specifically mentioned this in a past blog.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 28, 2008, 12:42:39 am
Just sent you a jpeg screen shot by email
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 28, 2008, 12:48:18 am
Her website now has the Seneca Reference back on it . Better get some more screen shots while its back up there .
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on April 28, 2008, 03:41:15 am
Half-Wolf     
Quote
Can someone send me a copy of some of her claims, regarding the use of Cherokee, Hopi, Navajo, Seneca, Sioux, Athasbacan, etc. use of Medicine and ceremony.  We need this in our discussion with her on Friday.

Some of this is still in a cached page if anyone needs it ;

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:w1Dql_u7WQsJ:www.whirlingrainbow.com/board.
htm+seneca+%22Suraj+Holzwarth%22&hl=en&gl=ca&strip=1 (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:w1Dql_u7WQsJ:www.whirlingrainbow.com/board.
htm+seneca+%22Suraj+Holzwarth%22&hl=en&gl=ca&strip=1)


She is also selling CD's claiming to be Seneca European.

http://cdbaby.com/cd/suraj (http://cdbaby.com/cd/suraj)


Quote
White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth) DrumKeeper of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project is an internationally known medicine woman, singer, songwriter and performance artist of Seneca and European descent. Her voice has a primal and mesmerizing quality, penetrating to the very heart and soul of our tribal connection with the earth.  Suraj received the vision of the GrandMother Drum from indigenous grandmothers as the living beating symbol of the Universal Heart that connects all races and cultures of the human family. With the assistance of the Alaska multicultural community, Suraj built the GrandMother Drum in 2000.
Also lots of vague suggestions what she is doing is somehow done under the direction of Native Elders ...

http://web.archive.org/web/20070703165807/www.whirlingrainbow.com/grandmother_drum_project.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20070703165807/www.whirlingrainbow.com/grandmother_drum_project.html)

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From a vision of indigenous grandmothers and many hands of the multicultural Alaskan community, the large, seven-foot diameter, crystal inlaid, GrandMother Drum was built in 2000. The GrandMother Drum is traveling the world as an international symbol of the Universal Heart that connects all races and all cultures of the human family. Immediately after her birth in 2001, GrandMother Drum was invited to be the very heartbeat of Alaska's largest human rights march, the "We the People" Alaska Native Subsistence March gathering over five thousand people. Within six months, the worldwide request for her community healing work spread like a wildfire of love.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070704172402/www.whirlingrainbow.com/honoring_our_grandmothers.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20070704172402/www.whirlingrainbow.com/honoring_our_grandmothers.html)

If anyone needs screen shots I made some...
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 03:51:38 am
Whirling Rainbow Foundation
http://whirlingrainbow.com/index.htm


Vision and Mission

The Vision
Among the Navaho and Hopi, the Whirling Rainbow is a prophecy and a promise of peace for all Nations and all people through the understanding that all races are one. The Whirling Rainbow vision is to unite the people of the five sacred colors; all creeds working together for the good of the whole. When all pathways to wholeness are respected by all cultures, the prophecy of the Whirling Rainbow will be realized.

The Mission
The Whirling Rainbow Foundation is an international spiritual and educational 501c3 organization which honors and celebrates the diverse cultural and spiritual paths of the human family. The foundation cultivates the universal teachings of inner peace, loving compassion, wisdom and understanding at the core of every culture and spiritual tradition.

Our mission is to awaken the spiritual intelligence (divinity) of the heart of humanity, manifesting the full potential of the human spirit to co-create a world of unity, love and peace with the self, family, community and the earth. Through its own projects and working together with like organizations, the Whirling Rainbow Foundation celebrates all paths to wholeness through the universal languages of music, dance, cultural, visual and healing arts.



That's current, as of a few minutes ago. Still referring to the prophesies of the Navajo and Hopi.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 04:10:25 am
Read this on their website; talking about the Grandmother Drum and the International Peace Project.

The GrandMother Drum brings this message to:
• International Peace and Reconcilation Gatherings
• Local and International Conferences
• Concerts and World Music Festivals
• Universities, Museums and Schools
• Traditional Indigenous Ceremonies and Cultural Gatherings
• Gatherings on Earth Stewardship and Environmental Awareness
• Workshops in the Cultural, Healing and Spiritual Arts

http://whirlingrainbow.com/gmd.htm


Wonder when the last time she was at a Traditional Indigenous Ceremony or Cultural Gathering? This seems like a false claim to me.

Did notice that all references to Seneca Metis, Cherokee Metis, Iroquois have been removed from their board of directors.

Add'l note: They really need a proof-reader. There are so many typos/spelling errors on her website.



Edit to add link.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 04:20:47 am
White Eagle Medicine Woman Bio    

As the youngest woman to climb North America's highest peak Mt. McKinley or Denali in her late teens and having built largest crystal drum in North America indicates that White Eagle Medicine Woman has enormous ambition, the gift of a far seeing leader.

White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth) is the director and drum keeper of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project. She is an international performance artist and seer of Seneca and Celtic descent. Her CDs include Journey of the Heart and Songlines of the Soul. She is the director and co-producer of the newly released documentary film GrandMother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart. She is also the founder and director of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge in Palmer, Alaska.

White Eagle's voice has a primal and mesmerizing quality, penetrating to the very heart and soul of our indigenous connection with each other and the earth. White Eagle's dynamic performances are well known for transforming the hearts of all involved, leading audiences in unified action on global issues of world peace, racial reconciliation, environmental stewardship and earth sustainability.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/whiteeagle.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 04:42:18 am
I know we'd talked about Holzwarth's friend's ashes being placed inside the Grandmother Drum. Wan't sure if we had a link for that or not. Found a newspaper article tonight about it, written by Suraj Holzwarth -  Farewell to Amrahla North.

www.echo.net.au/archives/18_08/pdf/p06.pdf 


Edit for spelling/typo
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 05:00:07 am
Alaska Wellness - September/October 2002

Suraj Holzwarth on The Grandmother Drum Project - An interview with Holzwarth after she returned from Australia.

Intro:

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The project and the Ring of Fire World Tour have been funded solely on love from the Alaskan community. Prayers, blessings and traditional ceremony were held by the Athabascan tribes of Eklutna, Chickaloon, Kenatize, Qutekcak, Tyonek and Nondalton for the drum to be built on Athabascan land. Thousands of Alaskans took part in the making of the drum and the community healing ceremonies that followed. In August 2001, the GrandMother Drum honored Athabascan Grandmother Katie John at the largest human rights march in Alaskan history -- the "We the People" march and rally.

From the interview:

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AK Wellness: What about the animals of this land? Did you have any unusual encounters?

Suraj: As my medicine is Eagle medicine, I came to spend a lot of time in Australia with the Wedgetail eagles. These birds are very similar to Bald eagles in that they mate for life and usually fly together in spiral patterns. The Wedgetail eagles began assisting me at the beginning of every ceremony. They did this so consistently that I began to ask them when to start the ceremonies. When the time was right, the eagles would come and spiral above head.

At one point, the eagles asked me to take on their medicine for the land. During the middle of trip, I received a message in a dream that I was to take on their medicine completely. What did that mean? I didn't know. The following day, while driving on the highway to reach the next ceremony, I saw a dead Wedgetail eagle on side of road. I asked the truck driver to stop. I walked over to the bird and did some energy work to see where its spirit was. I found it was only 12 hours dead, and its spirit about half crossed over. I do a lot of work helping animals cross over when I find them, so I have a sense of what usually happens. But what happened with this bird was very different than what would happen in North America. Partly this is because the energy is so different in Australia. Normally, when assisting animals to transition, I usually hold the energy as a conduit, but this time the energy of that bird went into me. It literally entered my body. It was a very powerful experience. And I am still carrying that. I am carrying the medicine of the Wedgetail eagle for that land, and am just now beginning to understand what I am being asked to do.


http://www.alaskawellness.com/sept-oct02/drum.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 28, 2008, 12:27:46 pm
Her phony claims are still at many other Nuage sites. She's on a board with two other notorious frauds, Brooke Edwards/Medicine Ego and Katherine Cheshire.

---------------------------------------

http://www.butterflyspirit.org/about/board/mfawp_indigenous.html
Musicians and Fine Artists for World Peace
Indigenous Board Members

Suraj Holzwarth
Whirling Rainbow Center/GrandMother Drum Project Director
1620 Shore Dr. Anchorage A 99515
(907) 336-7439 Fax (907) 336-7439
rainbowdream@chugach.net
http://www.whirlingrainbow.org
Spiritual Healer, Ritual Artist and Drum Keeper

Chenoa, thank you for the honored invitation for us to join the board...

Bio: Suraj Holzwarth (White Eagle Woman) is a natural and trained shamanic healer, counselor, educator, ritual artist and drummer...She is an international known leader, teacher, and writer of wilderness spiritual journeys, rites of passage, traditional healing, sacred ceremony, and the women's mysteries. She has lead hundreds of workshops throughout the United States, Europe, Canada, Mexico, Australia and New Zealand....

She was born into the knowledge of her Seneca tradition, as well as a trained priestess of the Strega Wiccan mysteries....

These years were filled with numerous opportunites to apprentice with many traditional medicine people and indigenous Elders throughout North and South America. She was adopted into the Alaska Native tribes of the Athabascan, Yupik, and Aleut. She apprenticed with the Eastern mystic, Osho and created a meditation center for Alaska. She became a messenger for the teachings of the Sacred Sisterhood of the GrandMothers shared with her in dreams and visions by indigenous GrandMothers from many nations....

My music and art give voice not just to the ancestors of my own cultural heritage (Seneca, Strega Italian, Irish and German)....

----------------------------
And the frauds she works with:


Katherine Cheshire
Touch the Earth Foundation/Founder/Executive Director - Hopi Representative
P.O. Box 257 Solana Beach CA 92075
(760) 635-1003
Kc4behopi@aol.com
http://www.timesoft.com/hopi
http://www.timesoft.com/ttef
http://www.timesoft.com/news

Katherine Is a teacher and servant to the peoples, Known to the Hopi People as Dep Se Mana. TTEF, is the Original Publisher, Editor and funding of "Hotevilla, Microcosm of the World."

Advisory Board and Committees:
Katherine Cheshire
Founder Executive Director and Founder of the Touch the Earth Foundation
P.O. Box 257, Solana Beach, Ca 92075

Advisor for Shundahi Net work, Corbin Harney Elder and Mala Spotted Eagle

Blessings and Balance,
From Balance, All Blessings Flow
In service to the Holy Ancestors,
Dee See Mana, Hopi Representive
Katherine Cheshire, founder touch the earth foundation


Brooke Medicine Eagle
PMB C401, One 2nd Ave. East
Polson MT 59860
(406) 883-4686
bme@MedicineEagle.com, office@MedicineEagle.com
http://www.medicineeagle.com

Dear Alan, YES, of course, I am happy to join the other imaginals in the creation of this new butterfly of love, joy, peace, and fulfillment.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 28, 2008, 02:22:36 pm
Broke Medicine Eagle

http://www. myspace. com/eagleearthheart
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 28, 2008, 04:14:26 pm
Here's an advertisement for the Weymouth Event before it happened.

http://www.drummingforpeace.org/gmd_08/gmd_08gathering_medicinewheel.php

GrandMother Drum Gathering For Peace
Medicine Wheel Portal Activation Ceremony with GrandMother Drum
April 5-6, 2008
10:00 AM - 6:00 PM both days
Chapman Middle School 1051 Commercial St., East Weymouth [map]

This two day ceremony involves healing of land and water to help recharge the earth through it’s songlines participating in what is called a “portal activation“. This involves creating a medicine wheel or portal for the healing and to reawaken the twelve bloodlines of the tribes of humanity.

In this ceremony, you will work directly with the Origin Teachings of the Native American Cherokee and Iroquois. This Medicine Wheel maps the sacred geometry of your original individual and collective blueprint, your Original Self. In ceremony you will stand a specific star gate alignment that will assist you in healing and rebalancing the light and dark mirrors within and opens a portal, allowing you to take a quantum leap into your Original Dream of Wholeness. This soul journeying activation ceremony with the seven foot, crystal inlaid GrandMother Drum provides profound awareness, specific healing tools and inner maps and the sonic power to align with and fulfill your own divine soul purpose.


This moving event will take place at the Chapman Middle School, 1051 Commercial St., East Weymouth, 02189 (A map is provided below.) Admission for the two day event is $275.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 04:24:28 pm
After speaking to the Spiritual Leaders who have contacted us regarding the protest in Michigan, it has been decided to go into the Community Center to speak with Ms. Holzwarth, there are still members who have decided they will stay outside to protest.  For all those who have planned on attending if you do not wish to attend we understand, we then ask for your prayers that this will end well for all and we can come to an understanding for resolution.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 28, 2008, 04:59:39 pm
Good luck....the fact that she's trying to squeeeze this meeting in at 6pm before the scheduled 7pm start time of her "prayerformance" doesn't look promising however.  She seems to ultimately be ready to honor her contract so she can get her dough.  If' she's wearing the dress or any of the feathers I'd ask her to change out of respect before any 'talks' can begin.  If she really wants to show she's listening then its up to her to show a real commitment to it.  Not the other way around.  People are agreeing to try and resolve things peacefully, but if she knowingly shows up with her "imagery" and agitates the situation by doing so and THEN takes the stand of defending her RIGHT to uphold that agitating imagery.....then its like talking to a brick wall. 

Be prepared for "rehearsed" answers as her whole presentation is rehearsed.  Comments from people who've seen her live say that she repeats the information written on her web page and in other places on the net word for word during her "ceremonies"

I'm sure she's preparing....and possibly looking for new material for books, pictures, CD's and DVD's.....so be wary.  If she's gonna film or record....make sure there's someone recording her doing so.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 05:14:35 pm
We have a dvd recorder and were planning on taking it in to tape her statements during the arbitration.  We are also going to be recording the protest outside.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 28, 2008, 05:38:39 pm
Good luck....the fact that she's trying to squeeeze this meeting in at 6pm before the scheduled 7pm start time of her "prayerformance" doesn't look promising however.  She seems to ultimately be ready to honor her contract so she can get her dough.  If' she's wearing the dress or any of the feathers I'd ask her to change out of respect before any 'talks' can begin.  If she really wants to show she's listening then its up to her to show a real commitment to it.  Not the other way around.  People are agreeing to try and resolve things peacefully, but if she knowingly shows up with her "imagery" and agitates the situation by doing so and THEN takes the stand of defending her RIGHT to uphold that agitating imagery.....then its like talking to a brick wall. 

Be prepared for "rehearsed" answers as her whole presentation is rehearsed.  Comments from people who've seen her live say that she repeats the information written on her web page and in other places on the net word for word during her "ceremonies"

I'm sure she's preparing....and possibly looking for new material for books, pictures, CD's and DVD's.....so be wary.  If she's gonna film or record....make sure there's someone recording her doing so.

A little more digging and i found this paragraph originally attributed to her menu of "ceremonies" for her instrument on her website.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/text/outline%20of%20optional%20events.pdf
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 08:54:41 pm
Check this out!!!!!!
Does she think we wouldn't catch her at this?


"April 28, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Well, this may be of interest to some;
http://www.consciousmindjournal.com

If you scroll down to Friday, May 9th, and/or click on
Native American???, you’ll see Rachel has moved her baloney to May 9th (supposedly cancelled) at the Center of Light in Oxford, Michigan.
And still claiming it as “Native American???

Rachel, You may have never heard this before but, the truth will set you free.
BTW, the item you state on your site as written by Mother Teresa was not. It was written by Dr. Kent Keith, when he was a sophomore in High School.
Sadly, it has been so overused by scammers since they found a copy hanging on Mother Teresa’s wall, it’s practically a neon sign for “scam???, now. It’s beneficial piece to post on a crook’s site to give the unaware public the impression that the site owner is a good, God-loving, honest and humble person.

Ah well, I bet she hates the internet, now.

Trust me, Rachel, if you hate it now,… it’s about to get abominable.




 

April 28, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Well, the event in Michigan is categorized on that web site as Native American on the left, and the flyer page uses the word sacred. It’s like she’s waving a red cloth to enrage her antagonists. Could there be a trap there?"
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 09:14:18 pm
So instead of stopping what they're doing, they've added an extra day in Michigan. Still plan on holding their prayerformance on May 2, after they meet with y'all, at the Troy Community Center.  Then have two days of Shamanic Healing at the Center of Light Spirituality, May 3 and 4. And then come back of the Center on May 9 for another prayerformance. Or do you think they've cancelled the May 2 event, because of the protests planned? They'll make it seem like they're devoting that night to the concerns of American Indians. She'll probably want to hold a prayerformance for all of us.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 09:32:13 pm
From what I see it sounds like they cancelled the "Prayerformance"  They don't mention the 2nd now. 
"Conscious Mind Journal and Center of Light Spirituality Center in Oxford, Michigan are bringing the Grandmother Drum Project to Michigan on May 3, 4 & 9, 2008. Gail Miller and Annette Jones are heading up this incredible event. Read more about it."

There is no mention of the 2nd.  Strange, I thought they used the Friday night events to lure their prey in to the shamanic web with her "PREY-Or-Form-Ants" :P Oh well, at least we know and can be prepared.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 28, 2008, 09:47:58 pm
You're right; there wasn't any mention of May 2nd in that newest version of Conscious Mind Journal. I'm sure they've already sold plenty of tickets to the event. Guess they could do a mass e-mail, telling everyone it had been changed to May 9th. Wonder if she'll still show up on the 2nd to meet with y'all. She probably will. I'm sure she'll turn it into a photo-op for the Whirling Rainbow Foundation.

Still wondering where she plans to be on May 1st, for the world premier of Grandmother Drum: Awakening the Global Heart.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 10:05:47 pm
That is a good question, maybe hiding in Michigan, since she has to be there for the next night, your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 28, 2008, 11:02:33 pm
Did anyone ever think that just perhaps there may be  a little bitty small l chance  she has a lurker on this forum???? ... well of course ya gotta know she does .. so what do we do????... well of course!!! ... lets tell her everything we know .. gooood plan ... let the one you are working on bringing to ground know everything you know .... yep ..  sounds like a plan to me ....
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 28, 2008, 11:17:39 pm
SHHHH! it's a secret!  COme on this is the web.  We knew she was checking it out in March!  Do you think we are just dumb indians?  What I talk about is public knowledge.  I have no fear of what I say, look at my posts.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 28, 2008, 11:32:39 pm
As of right now, she still has the "Seneca and Celtic" claim in her official bio in her online promo materials: http://whirlingrainbow.com/text/aboutdrumkeeper.pdf

The organizer of one of the PA events, "Honey", told me that Holzwarth "didn't claim to be Native American" at that performance. I sent her the above link, and tried to explain that even if she avoids using those exact words in certain company, she is still appropriating the regalia, terminology, and bastardized versions of the ceremonies (such as claiming to do "pipe ceremony" at some of the "prayerformances").

I agree that any interaction with her should be videotaped.  I'm sure she will be recording, and will try to put a highly-edited version on YouTube or her website, attempting to spin things to her advantage. My guess is she will either try to portray protesters and representatives as fringe radicals, or somehow spin it into "The NDNs love me." She's crazy enough to try either. Or both. So if the meeting proceeds, we need to have an accurate recording with which to counter that.

For getting Bernard there, can Bernard or someone he trusts set up a PayPal account for him? That would probably be the quickest way to get donations there.

As to discussing this publicly. Yeah, it's the Internet. Assume *everyone* reads *everything*. Anything you don't want read by lots of people, on both sides, send via personal message or email. Even then, if you don't know the person in person, and over time, don't just assume they're on your side. Caveat Netizen.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on April 28, 2008, 11:36:42 pm
What i actually think is a word broken is a word never heard again .
 wicahcala
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 29, 2008, 01:03:10 pm
The events for michigan relating to this woman are posted on the calendar, along with a poll.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on April 29, 2008, 08:34:56 pm
i see that talking to her and her band of blind flowing the blind is usless
the only thing is a law suite, and a rit of cease and disist
get someone to file a injuntion against her, some one she clames to repersent.
only thing they under stand is money make it a cost to contiune
and why has not the game board gone after her for the feathers,
she got them out of this country and then brought them back
we need to do things in the old way, the shure way


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 30, 2008, 12:37:22 am
Anyone checked her site lately?  Notice the paragraph at the end of her newsletter (which we have already all seen)

"GrandMother Drum Activates Michigan
Dear Community,
 
Since our Prayerformance in Weymouth, Massachusetts April 4, 2008, we have received numerous emails from some traditional Native Americans regarding our international healing work. Our hosts around the world have also received phone calls and emails.

The common questions that have been raised are in reference to the heritage of members of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation, concerns about the funding of ceremonies and events, use of ceremonial items, as well as questions regarding the origins of the teachings, ceremonies, and songs of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and GrandMother Drum International Peace Project.

We acknowledge that many of these comments contatian anger and pain. If we all choose to look deeper within, we can discover the roots of our feelings, allowing them to assist us all to move into healing and creative solutions.

After reading and listening to all comments, the Board of Directors and Advisory Council of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation and the GrandMother Drum International Peace Project takes this opportunity to respond, clarify and create deeper understanding.

To give respect to the questions and concerns of the Native American Community, we have opened Friday, May 2, 2008 at 6:00pm at the Troy Community Hall 3179 Livernois MI for a Community Peace Circle to address these interests heart to heart. We are honored to welcome all those that have voiced their feelings through emails or phone calls to come in a peaceful way to resolve these concerns. We also welcome all those who feel called and would benefit from this kind of circle.

We look forward to meeting with all of you.
The Board of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation

"Maybe this dialogue on race, an honest dialogue that does not engage in denial or superficial platitudes, maybe this dialogue on race can move the people of faith in this country from various stages of alienation and marginalization to the exciting possibility of reconciliation." -Pastor Jeremiah Wright of the Black Church speech to the American Press Club, April, 28, 2008."

If this was a quote regarding her , I am not sure he knows who she is.  I am hoping it was taken out of context.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 30, 2008, 12:56:28 am
Found it!!  I didn't think it was about her.  It is about him and the Black Church.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/28/transcript-rev-wright-at-the-national-press-club/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: quicksilverwade on April 30, 2008, 03:52:09 am
Here is some email transmissions between David Miller and I:

Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:57:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "wade crowe" <quicksilverexpress2005@yahoo.com>  View Contact Details   Add Mobile Alert 
Subject: Re: Michigan Penal Code 750.348
To: "David P. Miller" <davemiller@sacc.com>

    David,
     The inciters are all that I see who are all facilitating Rachel Holzwarth and her paid performances.  You are enabling the profit into her hands.  I see that you are blind but don't worry for we have our eyes open.
     Wade Crowe

"David P. Miller" <davemiller@sacc.com> wrote:

Hi Wade,
Who is the one inciting?
I desire to create a win-win and you have indicated that you want lose-lose for the white people.

"There is no doubt that elders will be present and there is no doubt that this will end up being a lose-lose situation for the white folk who take our culture and abuse it.  We will keep you in mind."

Warmest regards,
David Miller

At 04:25 PM 4/29/2008, you wrote:

David Miller,
     You are in violation of what we hold as being traditional:
 
MICHIGAN PENAL CODE
CHAPTER XLIX
INDIANS
750.348 Inciting Indians.
Sec. 348. Inciting Indians to violate treaty, etc.—Any person who shall incite, or attempt to incite any Indian nation, tribe, chief or individual to violate any treaty of peace with any other Indian nation or tribe, or with the United States, or to disturb the peace and tranquility existing between any Indian nation or tribe, and any other Indian nation or tribe, or the people of the United States, or who shall incite or attempt to incite any Indian nation, tribe, chief or individual to violate any law of the United States, or of this state, shall be guilty of a felony.

"David P. Miller" <davemiller@sacc.com> wrote:

Hi,

Please contact the person to whom you are aiming at directly.


A two way communication is necessary to create win-win and I have not

received a reposnse to my questions.


Warmest regards,

David P Miller.




At 07:05 PM 4/28/2008, you wrote:


> From: wade crowe - (quicksilverexpress2005@yahoo.com)

>

> realize that the drum will be taken away

> from rachel holzwarth. realize that her regalia will be taken away

> from rachel holzwarth. we are bound by this tradition, no one will stop us.


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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 30, 2008, 06:53:37 am
I feel that some things should be kept under the hat as we have been doing with the myspace site dedicated to stop this woman... we have alot we are working on but it is not public knowledge...

Oh, agreed completely! I was mostly agreeing that anything that's being posted online will be read by people you don't necessarily want to read it, so, yeah, if you want it private, don't post it.

As for PayPal - I've only sent money with it, but my understanding is that to have people send you money, you have to have an email address you're fine on making public. The account will be registered to that email, and with or without the PayPal button, you can just give people that email address, they can sign in to PayPal and use a credit or debit card to transfer the money to your online account. Uh, I'm not sure how you get it out of the account, but hopefully they explain that.

If people don't want to use computers or plastic, I think a lot of us understand. At the same time, it's the quickest way to get money from people with Internet access. *shrugs* To make sure nothing goes wrong with it, some people only keep a small amount of money in the account they link to it, just in case.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 30, 2008, 09:00:23 am
I know that to get money into an account you must have your paypal linked to an account.  Just like when you pay.  I would suggest not keeping the money there long either.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 30, 2008, 12:18:33 pm
I love these posters, I think they describe the situation THOROUGHLY!!!!!
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on April 30, 2008, 03:38:40 pm
Does anyone have Air Miles they would be willing to donate to get him to Michigan.  He already has meals and lodging donated, he just needs the air fare.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 30, 2008, 04:42:04 pm
Just more information for those collecting for her.  This one may be of special interest to those following the IRS inquiry.

This is an old announcement from from an Australian organization called World Peace 2000. 

The home page link is here:  http://home.vicnet.net.au/~wp2000au/home.html

There's an update for the Whirling Rainbow Foundation and the Grandmother Drum project for their "Gathering of All Nations" event in 2002.  In the update there's a letter from Holzwarth where she talks about all their accomplishments and then asks for donations for the trip.  The letter states that they wish payments be made out to their non-profit...The Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation.  We all know the Wilderness foundation was dissolved in March of '99 and this letter was written in 2002.  Also if you do a check with the IRS website and do any searches for Whirling Rainbow...it doesn't come up there either.

here's the link for the update page with the letter:  http://home.vicnet.net.au/~wp2000au/GrandMother%20Drum.htm

and a copy and past of the text in the letter:

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Letter to Australia from Suraj Holzwarth...

Beloved Friends...


GrandMother Drum is on her way to Australia!

It has been the most amazing week, watching a dream come alive before our very eyes. Life is certainly magic when we listen and act from the heart, following the guidance we receive. We are blessed that the GrandMothers are touching the hearts of so many people around the world. I thank you for your letters, your donations and sharing your personal healing stories.

Thanks to all the help this week, (check out this list below because it's awesome) the GrandMother Drum is now safely on her way to Australia!


Emery Worldwide Cargo- has offered their assistance with the air freight of the GrandMother Drum by giving the freight to us at cost. This cuts our costs in half.
Cook Inlet Regional Corporation- financial donation towards air freight
Eklutna Traditional Council, Kenaitze Tribe, Nondalton Tribal Council- financial support, letters of support, gifts to bring to Elders.
Ulrick Vedel- for the building of GrandMother's Drum's traveling crate.
Joyce Laine, Dee Pieplow, Nancy Lee Evans, Kathy Farley and Jennifer Staley- painting our eight-foot tour banner.
Alaska Serigraphics- discounted price on our new "Ring of Fire" Tour t-shirts!
Kathy Farley- assembling the photo journal of the GrandMother Drum Building.
February Full Moon "Ring of Fire" Drum Ceremony Participants- donated over $400 that evening to the "Ring of Fire" Tour.
Nova Travel and Angie Skinner-discounted airfare.
US Customs, Australian Customs and Australian Quarantine Service- for making the way smooth for the GrandMothers!
Randy Lucas, Eleanor Wilde, Alutiq Creations, Anna Sansom, Stephanie and Sharon Curbow, Nancy Lee Evans, Eileen Shute, Native Village of Eklutna, Native Village of Nondalton- gifts for the Elders.
Baby Drum Makers- thanks to you we have sold nearly 200 Baby Drums this year.
Alaskan Hearts Ignite the Sacred Flame

On Monday, March 4, 2002 Ulrick Vedel (GrandMother's Crate Mastercraftsman), Mark Schoenard (GrandMother Drum's Master DrumMaker) and I gathered at the Whirling Rainbow Center to do a test run of fitting GrandMother into her 85"x 85"x45" shipping crate. She fits perfect! On Tuesday and Wednesday we had several volunteers assist us in the painting of GrandMother Drum's eight-foot touring banner. Thanks to all the artists, it looks gorgeous!

On Friday March 8, 2002, the GrandMother Drum was loaded in her crate with over 500 lbs. of percussion instruments, Baby Drums, GrandMother Staffs, a huge 8ft banner and three huge duffles of gifts for Elders. Thanks to Emery Worldwide and World Cargo International, the GrandMother Drum is now safely in route to the land of the dreamtime of the Ancient Ones.

As visions and dreams have guided us and many hands are manifesting, our first international tour with the GrandMother Drum will take place in Australia March through May 2002.

The "Ring of Fire" Tour was launched in Alaska at a four day, round-the -clock drumming vigil in June 2001, the weekend the GrandMother Drum was born. Now, six months later, the worldwide request for her community healing work has literally spread like a wildfire of love! Bless all of your hearts.


The tour involves a series of personal and community healing ceremonies and workshops, interactive performance concerts, and drum making workshops that will focus on the activation of what the GrandMothers refer to as the "Ring of Fire." This ring is a key site in the opening of Mother Earth's womb and the tremendous healing about to take place for Earth peoples in the next ten years. We have been given guidance from the GrandMothers that we will be doing several activation's in sacred sound chambers (caves)and volcanic areas throughout Mother Earth's Ring of Fire.


To our Australia Family:
Thank you for the beautiful letters and the passion in hosting the GrandMother Drum Project. Our Australia organizer, Deb Nanschild is doing a simply astounding job at coordinating such a tour. Peter Raffety, who heard about the project recently, has volunteered to transport the GrandMother Drum for the entire tour with his own truck!

To bring a sacred drum of this nature and this size to any community will take passion and commitment from the whole community to come together in many ways. The local indigenous tribes have been contacted and have blessed all ceremonies where the project will be hosted. Please contact Deb Nanschild or others in your area that have volunteered to help organize and sponsor the GrandMother Drum Project. They cannot do it alone and need your help. This is a community project whose mission is healing and unity!

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE
The GrandMother Drum Project has been funded solely on love from the world community. This feels right for a world drum whose vision is to heal separation, bringing people together around one heartbeat, one family, and one earth. It takes many people working together to transport a sacred drum of this unique size to any location! We know that the wisdom of the GrandMothers was behind this design. The "Ring of Fire" Tour is estimated to cost over $20,000. We have another $6,000 to raise in the final weeks.

Donations for traveling expenses
Donations toward Airfreight for the GrandMother Drum
Participation in our local Drumming Circles and Drum Making Ceremonies ( see below)
Purchasing a Baby Drum- see below
Your love and prayer!

PLEASE MAKE CHECKS PAYABLE to our non-profit foundation:
The Alaska Women of the Wilderness Foundation and mail to: The Whirling Rainbow Center 1620 Shore Dr. Anchorage, Alaska USA 99515. And yes, we do take credit cards!


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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 01, 2008, 03:19:35 am
Sent. Keep us updated on the total, in case we need to go persuade more people.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 01, 2008, 09:52:48 am
The last I heard, he was still WAY short of funds.  That was at about 9:00 PM EST
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 01, 2008, 05:18:30 pm
What happen to the 19,000 people backing this protest. A dollar a piece could fly him around the world a couple of times.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 01, 2008, 05:34:52 pm
Excellent question, my share is there as he well knows, and is considerably more than $1.00.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 01, 2008, 10:18:35 pm
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What happen to the 19,000 people backing this protest. A dollar a piece could fly him around the world a couple of times.

We sent out a bulk message to our members...but as I have said many times...we do not deal with donations...nor do we ask our members for funds ever...which is why I asked members to donate a dollar each. I sent out a message to a majority of our members...those who are supporting this issue...but it's not for me to MAKE them donate....as that's not what we're about....it's peoples choice....and I pray many choose to help.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: tall wolf on May 01, 2008, 11:31:55 pm
Ive been on line all day and been making calls to get the word out about the scheduled protest agaist this Holzwarth woman in Michigan.
Please help me direct this to the right people.
The protest is supppose to be at the Troy community Center in Troy Mi. at 6pm Friday, the Center of Light Spirituality Center of Oxford Mi,(who are hosting her) has stated on their website that the appearance of the Grandmother drum has been canceled, but actually they are just moving the event to the Center in Oxford this weekend and  next weekend. so if the organizers of the Mich. protest could have the heads up on this it would be cool. this woman is whacked and is insulting to our traditional ways. Thanks for passing it on.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 02, 2008, 12:03:53 am
Hello all,

Bernard will not be attending the meeting.. to date he has told us that he has received 427.00 the problem that happened was that when the funds from pay pal were sent to the bank they would not release them immediately... they will not be available until tomorrow.  

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 02, 2008, 01:24:44 am
The Phone call is already arranged.  The open meeting will be tomorrow at the Troy Community Center, 3179 Livernois, off I-75 and Big Beaver (16 Mile), they are still doing the expensive $333.00 weekend Saturday and Sunday, May 3rd and 4th in Oxford, 5898 Baldwin, we will be protesting outside that, we will also be protesting outside on May 9th in Oxford 5898 Baldwin.  I hope this clears up any confusion.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 02, 2008, 01:29:26 am
OOPS!  Protest starts Sat. & Sun. at 9:00AM-7:00PM the show is 10:00AM-6:00PM.  May 9th Protest starts at 6:00PM-11:00PM show is 7:00PM-10:00PM
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 02, 2008, 01:50:13 am
The Phone call is already arranged.  The open meeting will be tomorrow at the Troy Community Center, 3179 Livernois, off I-75 and Big Beaver (16 Mile), they are still doing the expensive $333.00 weekend Saturday and Sunday, May 3rd and 4th in Oxford, 5898 Baldwin, we will be protesting outside that, we will also be protesting outside on May 9th in Oxford 5898 Baldwin.  I hope this clears up any confusion.

Thank you for all your hard work
Cat

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 02, 2008, 02:46:00 am
ps - this is Cat now lol - DO NOT send any more money!! After I posted the last message on money... he got enough for a ticket!!!!!!!! Good work people!!!!! Thank you!!!! Also  LOL Pay Pal only lets you take out 500.00 a month - does anyone know a way around this???? Is there a different account it can be changed to even if it has a larger fee??? I am clueless as to pay pal.
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 02, 2008, 02:55:46 am
yes, otherwise you have to link it to a bank account to have unlimited payments, if I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: taraverti on May 02, 2008, 03:25:39 am
This is such good news.

I will be praying

Nona
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 02, 2008, 03:44:17 am
yes, otherwise you have to link it to a bank account to have unlimited payments, if I am not mistaken.

As far as i know it is linked to his bank account.... I will ask what type of account w/paypal he has maybe that is the problem...?


Also... Sky - so are you saying for Cassie to start a pay Pal and for him to transfer to her???

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: matt e on May 02, 2008, 04:10:13 am
to lift the cap, the account has to be verified. log in and click on the verify link. they will deposit a couple small amounts(just a few cents) into the account, then you have to get those amounts and enter them on the paypal site. this can take 2-3 business days.

 also, paypal is notorious about suspending accounts that get a large amount in a small time, and then is all withdrawn at once. they just assume you are ripping people off, and it can take months to get it out. take a little out at a time, or CALL paypal and let them know why you are taking it out. If you let them know first, then all should be well.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 02, 2008, 09:36:57 pm
My thoughts and prayers are with y'all this weekend.
Sure wish I could be there.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 02, 2008, 11:48:11 pm
Well everyone suraj has agreed at the meeting to hand over her feathers... not wear her fake regalia at her Prayerformances... and to not do any in Michigan....I got cut off from the conference call - I am sure Half Wolf will come on here and let us all know later what happened.
Wow...what a day...
cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 03, 2008, 12:11:09 am
Very good, hope she keeps her word.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 03, 2008, 01:23:56 am
The following is Suraj's closing statement from the meeting... She did not address the peoples Questions that were asked.. The meeting went from 4:30  to 7:00.  Everyone had a chance to speak and ask questions....
It has been said by her that she is turning over her feathers to Fish and Wildlife...That she will not wear her ?"regalia"? to her Prayerformances anymore...and that she will not play her drum in Michigan.... This does not cover the rest of Turtle Island.... Be aware people....
Suraj and her followers stated that the drum is not "Native American" that it is from many cultures.... and that was followed by responses from the people that they have seen her advertisements in the paper and she is calling it Native American!!!!! Her and her followers also stated that what htey do is Not Native American but soemthing they put together....???....
She can no longer say that she is unaware that what she is/was doing is unacceptable to the Native Peoples on this Continent.... She has plainly been told "to find your own way and to not take from others.".... (PLease be aware that I did miss a few sentences....I am not a fast typer but I got down 97% of her statement....)
So here is her lame closing.... I pray that what happened today touched her heart and that she will change her ways....
We at the Fraud Board are not done yet and will continue to watch what she is doing.. The Native communities and others across this continent are aware of her now...... It wont be easy for her to resurface... lets watch for her.. and we're not quitting on Yellowstone yet either.... stay tuned people!!!!!!
Cat


Meeting with Suraj May 2 2008
Surajs response

Thank you for all of the education that you have shared with us about who you are and how this is important to you…

Yes – I have spoken to a fish and wildlife officer the feathers are from Australia – I have offered to give them back…I also wish to say that there are many other people in this room and I stand here as a human being not as a native person or a WHITE person.. I DON’T LIKE THE NAME WHITE! I am Suraj and a human being…There is no question In my heart…

I believe the teachings of earth based spirituality are the right of every person to practice!
And there are people from every race who are lost right now…and many who know where they are going…

And I respect that this is the way you practice your way with God it is your right and it is not for me to judge but there are others in this circle who have the right to practice what they want and they are not lost and not confused… and we are at the threshold of an amazing opportunity for an amazing discussion…
(Then something about respecting her way)

It hurts me to hear your stories it hurts me to hear my peoples stories and that means all people. Darfur, Iraq everywhere and we are at a pivotal moment….

I have heard your incredible stories…
And I am deepfully sorry that that ever happened…
I am deeply sorry It ever happened to you.. by people who are lost confused disconnected

And I feel we are all working from different places for the same goal for honor respect communication….and for me ... tonight has been a prayer…
All the people …

And I think this is an awesome opportunity. And I am humbled on how far you have come and how you feel for truth understanding for healing.

For education….

We were here to really listen tonight thank you very much.  I thank the Grandmothers’s especially  Mona…
I want to thank you for the love you showed me tonight…

And the honor

I am young on that road.

And I appreciate the wisdom I got to hear tonight from all of you..
Suraj….


Closing prayer
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on May 03, 2008, 02:57:37 am
How it looks to me is this woman just uses everything as a stage prop . The story about her using that young Wampanoag mans blood in this way really bothered me. She continues to use a drum with his blood on it - which she took and used as one more stage prop - knowing full well she did not have his permission and what she was doing was horribly offensive to him . I feel the only right thing for her to do is to return what she took, and let this man take care of it .  Meaning that she would need to hand over that drum to the Mashpee Wampanoag.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 03, 2008, 04:08:46 am
The following is Suraj's closing statement from the meeting... ... "I DON’T LIKE THE NAME WHITE! I am Suraj and a human being…There is no question In my heart… "

Uh, she's the one who gave herself a "medicine name" with "white" in it. Interesting that she doesn't like how it feels to be represented in a way that she feels is inaccurate or offensive. Maybe now she has a tiny, tiny inkling of what the people she's misrepresented and offended are feeling.

And it sounds to me like there are still quite a few questions.

That she did not address the main points, confirms to me she just wants to weasel out of this. I wasn't there in person, but I'm just not getting the impression that she's done anything but try to make this go away. She said she won't do her schtick in Michigan... then why does she still have events scheduled? And what about it other parts of the country and the world. Nope, not buying it. Not yet, anyway.

I agree with Moma: That drum has Hartman's blood on it. His blood was stolen and rubbed/soaked into the skin of the drumhead. It cannot be washed out. The drum should be given to Hartman and the Wampanoags to do with as they see fit.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 03, 2008, 04:20:10 am
I thought the meeting with Holzwarth wasn't supposed to start until 6:00 pm. It started early? Really surprised she gave us that much time.

I agree, I don't think Holzwarth has any intention of stopping what she's doing. As others have said, the fact that she didn't address key issues and questions is very telling. What about the events scheduled for Saturday and Sunday? She's not going to wear her regalia or use her drum? Those folks paid $333 for two days of Holzwarth beating on her drum playing Indian. Wonder what she's going to do.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 03, 2008, 04:29:18 am
Well, all you have to do is look at the line-up for West YellowStone. It has Jim Tree and a list of others. He suppose to be a Ceremonial Pipe Keeper, and I believe he claims to be Cherokee. As far as the Drum, is this the Drum  with the cremation in it. I not sure you will find a Nation that would take it under those circumstances. There would have to be some changes for it even to be accepted, that is if it was ever offered. But it's a good idea.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 03, 2008, 04:58:25 am
Whirling Rainbow Foundation Newsletter has been updated, with letters of support for Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum. Can't say for sure when these letters were added, but I know they weren't there on the 26th when she opened up tonight for the meeting or on the 29th, when she added the quote from Pastor Wright. Does printing these letters sound like the act of someone who has really had a change of heart?


LETTERS THIS WEEK FROM OUR GLOBAL FAMILY:

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REFLECTIONS FROM OUR WEYMOUTH, MASSACHUSETTS HOST SPONSOR SHIRLEY RICHARDSON

"I had the honor and great joy of hosting you (White Eagle) and the GrandMother Drum International Peace Project to come to Weymouth, Massachusetts to share your vision of peace for the world.

My greatest fear was that you would not be real – that your stage presence was an act. I found you are the most "real" person I have ever had the privilege to meet. Whether you are 25% , 12% or 0% of Native American blood, you represent 100% of the indigenous grandmother spirit. You message of finding peace within ourselves so we can find peace within the world is real. Your passion for your work is real. In a recent phone conversation you even commented how heartfelt it was to see some of the Native American tribes coming together as a community. Unfortunately, you are bearing the brunt of that unity.

That Friday night we went from a joyful peaceful community to a lock-down situation with police patrolling the parking lot. You said the experience was teaching us how to walk the talk of peace. To be able to work though our fear and anger and send peace to people who tried to make a mockery of a peaceful event and destroy a sacred drum of the people.

It has taken time to deal with the anger of seeing my granddaughter and other people terrorized. It has taken time to deal with the fear of my words adding fuel to this whirlwind hysteria of half truths, complete fabrications and character assassination. It has taken time to deal with the rage against those who are attempting to destroy you and your gift to the world. Walking the talk of peace is not easy, but I don't need to tell you that. You are living it constantly with grace and passion. You are the light.

Know that you loved and supported as an individual and as a spiritual leader.

Peace and blessings to you, Tymoreye' and all those carrying the message of GrandMother Drum.
Aurora aka Shirley Richardson
Wife, mother, grandmother, daughter, sister, aunt, teacher, peace keeper, drum keeper, member of the clan of humanity.


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Aloha Dearest White Eagle Medicine Woman,

"I am aghast! Thank you for writing to us about this challenging situation.
It seems that the darkness has been brought to the light to be healed.
Stand strong in your Love.
Stand strong in your commitment to Peace.
As we grow we are tested in our willingness to be vulnerable and open vs.defensive and right.
Yet acting firm in our convictions, responding not reacting, which is what you are doing!
This situation will be the inspiration for all of us who must encounter the darkness, as we grow in the Light.
Thank God the drum is OK!
It must have been so scarey!
I am praying for the people who did this, sending them Light and Love.
The Force Be With You!

My Prayer:

Great Spirit, you are everywhere in all people, in all situations, in all relationships.
I pray for your Love to be manifest.
I pray for Understanding and Peace to prevail.

I pray for the healing of the people who wish to hurt and harm.
May they find their own Spirits. May they find the Great Reality deep down within them; the Great Reality of Peace, Harmony, Love and Understanding.

May your all pervading Truth be expressed.
May all hear the beat of Grandmother Drum. And so it is.

Mahalo ke Akua!"-White Dove, Hawaii


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"I can't be in Troy with you, but stand with you in prayer and spirit.
If there is a specific time for prayers and/or common intention, please let me know and I will hold space and pray with you for the highest good,
As you know, this painful cleaning of the wound(s) is a necessary part of
healing. Be safe and stay strong in the love of the heart my friend.
My love, blessings and prayers to you and The GMD team.

-Ed, North Carolina


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"My prayers are with you as you meet with the Native Americans and others who will chose to come and talk with you on May 2nd.
May this dialog bring understanding and peace to all. I will be anxiously awaiting the outcome and praying that it is all to the good."
Kris, Cape Cod, Mass.

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Greetings and Peace Suraj, and Tymoreye,
"I wanted to let you know that I was in attendance at the Weymouth April 4 ceremony, and I was deeply impressed by all of it.

I have been following the story since that evening, and would like to express my regret for any misguided behavior, as well as my respect for you in your attempts to understand and forgive.

But on the ceremony itself, and what it did for, and to me....One word, and it is hard to put it into one word, amazing. I was positively overwhelmed by the drum, the people, what you give forth from your own hearts. Then, here is the MOST amazing thing, I had a dream about you almost three weeks after the event, this week, which was one of the most heart opening dreams of my life....Enough said. Keep up the good work, you are needed, obviously, on the planet to do this good work. Thank you SO much, and much luck for your meeting." From, The Dragonfly, Massachusetts


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"Dear White Eagle:
I am sending my best wishes and energy to your meeting with Native American people. Anger, pain and fear are not good advisers and I pray so the people who are going to come to your meeting to be enough self-centered to speak from their wise heart and not from their pain. Nevertheless, I think you need to try in advance to gather truly representative leaders of Native American people to your meeting so they can hold back the anger of the radical people. Radical people perceive themselves as the victims and perceive you as the "torturer" so they are not going to listen to you, so they need to be controlled by their own fellows. May the spirit of grandfather fire and grandmother drum be forever in your heart! We will be in heart with you in your meeting!
Armando, Oaxaca, Mexico ¡Te invitamos a compartir nuestra esencia!


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"Beautiful letter. I have also experienced the persecution, accusations and misunderstandings myself. I knew when you told the story of the Australians that you had the experience to walk this US tour. What the Grandmother Drum Project represents is able to transcend the hurdle. I will be there to support you from the perspective of healing these deep tribal wounds that are held within the hearts and collective cellular memory of us all. I am planning to hold a gathering at my office for the (Beltane) Global Love Day. I will be sure to get the people who show up to help with a vigil to support your work in Detroit on the 2nd. What you are doing is very powerful and I admire your strength, compassion and concern for the future of Planet Earth and all of her inhabitants.

My prayers and support are with you as you walk this path. Plahechkapo (Lakota:Take courage and have faith.)~Suzanne, Colorado


http://whirlingrainbow.com/newsletter.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 03, 2008, 05:54:58 am
WOW!  I couldn't even get home and the moccasin telegraph was working already.
OK, let's see where to start.  Rachel , "don't call me that! my name is Suraj" Holzwarth requested a private audience for 2:00PM today.  Then when everyone was already underway to get there in time, she called and rescheduled it for 4:30.  Her initial approach showed a definite hostility toward all the women who had come to speak to her in a good way.  so we left her with one grandmother from the area and the one who initially set up this "private" meeting.  Fish and Wildlife showed up during that meeting and Ms. Holzwarth from the apparent look on her face as she spoke with the officer in the hall, was stricken with fear. 
The meeting actually got started around 7:00.  Many good words were said by the community, it was all very peaceful and respectful.  At times she paid close attention to the speaker, at others she seemed oblivious. 
She started by admitting that some of the grandmothers in Australia would not let her play her drum in their area either.  She felt this was because her drum was too strong and they and we in Michigan were not ready for it.   She was corrected in that it was not the strength of her drum that was in question, but that "We are too strong for it!"
There was some expression of anger from some of her supporters saying that they "Paid to come and Pray" and others who felt we were not allowing them to express themselves in prayer and ceremony in the way they feel is right.  Their concerns (with the exception of the one who claimed anger that she had "paid to pray") were addressed by some of our people.  There werre 2 gentlemen who expressed deep and heartfelt gratitude at our openess and felt they had learned something and understood how strong our belief in our culture is.
After all had their chance to speak, her response skirted many of the issues and questions raised.  What was actually said was that she agreed to not wear her "Outfit" nor play her drum in Michigan.  (So what are all the people who paid all this money for her going to see?).
She also noted that the man from Fish and Wildlfe, who was blocking the door was going to escort her to her hotel and take her feathers from her, "even though they are from Australia" she pleaded.  As if eagles from Australia are less sacred than eagles from here.
The meeting ended and we went to dinner.  Over dinner many expressed their concern that she is not a woman of honor and may not honor her words, so we will be there tomorrow to guarantee that she keeps her promise to our grandmothers.
I want to Thank you all for your prayers and the strength you sent to us.  We must contiue our fight and put a stop to this from all who will try again.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 03, 2008, 11:11:53 am
OK it is morning and I am up although dead tired.  I may not relate these items in the order which they occured, we were not allowed to record this event and I had not brought a paper and pen, so am relating them to you in the order I remember them and not in the order they occured.
It was mentioned in a blog last night she was told to find her own way.  One of our veterans (President of the Navtive American Veterans in our area) who was guarding one of the gates came to the other side of the circle to hand her a tobacco tie, keep in mind she claimed to have grown up in the "Seneca Traditions" she attempted to take it with her right hand.  He corrected her and told her to use her left hand.  He then told her to find her own way.  During the meeting she untied it to see what was inside, this
She became quite irate and actually yelled at the people gathered that her name was NOT RACHEL!  she was Suraj.  This WHITE Ego RACHEL Woman had to be repeatedly counselled by Samantha Elliot who also used a psuedonym of Timoreye and did not intorduce herself by her given name.
The "moderator" she brought with her to maintain order was Re. Mary Gayorski one of the people presented in Weymouth as being an Iroquois from the Algonquin Medicine Society.  One of the Natives in the audience corrected her respectfully by saying the Iroquois whom they know will either tell you which of the nations of the Iorquois Confederacy they are from or else call themself in the traditional "Haudonausonee". 
None of the Native people spoke of pain or hurt, but rather that she should not charge for healing, this is not our way.  A young woman known to most stood and spoke of her own struggle to live being healed in the traditional way, that this woman would not want the burden palced on her that our traditional healers must bear, that she was not ready for this, that they spend years learning and then do not charge for their gift.
I do not understand how she could be sorry for what we told her, unless she is sorry for HER abuse of our ways, but this is not the impression I got from her.  We related who we are, what is our individual heritage, many spoke in Ojibwe as that is the Native tongue of this area, and then translated for those who do not understand the language.  All gave her their real name, yet we were told her name is Suraj, I could not help but wonder why she did not ask us to call her by one of her other names she has used over the years, MaAnand Suraj, or her WHITE name, since she wanted a pseudonym to be used.
I wonder what the people are paying to see if she is not wearing her "outfit" as she called it, or playing her drum.  They will not see what is on her video that I personally think should no longer be sold since it shows her wearing the eagle feathers illeaglely. 
for bls, I think the times being related are due to the time changes recognized across the land, the general audience started around 7:00 and ran until after 10:00 (much to the chargrin of the moderator who tried desperately to rush us out, but being who we are we would not be rushed.  It had to happen in the creator's time not hers.
I will report all that I can tonight after we get home, the protest is still going to happen tonight.  We want to make certain that she stands behind her word, because we all question her integrity on that.  I was taught not to lie as a child, because your story will change and that is how you will be caught, well we have seen her story change already, and yes grandma I remember "Once a liar always a liar".
The drum is the same drum with the ashes in it and the warrior's blood on it.
For her letters, I notice several seem to say these people were asked for a letter, they appear to be response letters. 
Look at the one from Ed in North Carolina, it is an OBVIOUS call from her for help; after all it is VERY specific about Troy, Mi. 
If she is real why does she deny her real name of Rachel, this is the name she grew up with, is she now a different person than the one who supposedly ran in the woods learning her Seneca traditions?  I cannot help but wonder how with the events of last night, being an actual witness to her "whirlwind hysteria of half truths, complete fabrications and character assassination" would be perceived by her host, although like some at the meeting, even one of her supporters who looked at her in OBVIOUS anger when she announced she would wear her "outfit".
"As we grow we are tested in our willingness to be vulnerable and open vs. defensive and right."  This sounds to me as though they are vulnerable because they know she is wrong for using a culture for profit.  They are willing to be open and vulnerable and not defend what is right.  They have no courage, no strength of spirit.
These people most certainly do not know us, but are using the words she placed in their minds, as I mentioned none of us claimed any fear or pain and the only anger was ather abuse of our culture.
I would also like to note to all who read this, she found herself basically unable to "buffalo" using the Australian crawl when one of our Native Pueblo members revealed she to had been to Australia.  Rachel found herself swimming in her own half truths, and dropped the subject.
Well I must get ready for today's events. I will let you know tonight what occurs.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on May 03, 2008, 11:58:10 am
Thank you for the update: all the best to everyone who'll be there in person or in spirit.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: taraverti on May 03, 2008, 12:30:28 pm
Thank you for the comprehensive report.

This woman is a known liar, and will most likely continue to be so. He character is not likely to change. However she MAY change her behavior. Not because she has a change of heart, but because she is being watched and held accountable. I believe that is the best we can expect.

There is such an incongruency between what she says and what she really is.  I believe she knows exactly what she is and has been doing, and just doesn't care.

My thoughts and prayers are with you as you continue the efforts today.

Nona




Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 03, 2008, 12:49:33 pm
Thanks for the update, Half-Wolf. Y'all remain in my thoughts and prayers.

How was Holzwarth dressed for the meeting? Wonder what she'll do today?

I realize those letters from her supporters were written and probably printed in her newsletter before the meeting. I think she printed them to show everyone that we are the radical fringes; we don't speak for all American Indians. One of those letters states as much.

Quote
"Dear White Eagle:
I am sending my best wishes and energy to your meeting with Native American people. Anger, pain and fear are not good advisers and I pray so the people who are going to come to your meeting to be enough self-centered to speak from their wise heart and not from their pain. Nevertheless, I think you need to try in advance to gather truly representative leaders of Native American people to your meeting so they can hold back the anger of the radical people. Radical people perceive themselves as the victims and perceive you as the "torturer" so they are not going to listen to you, so they need to be controlled by their own fellows. May the spirit of grandfather fire and grandmother drum be forever in your heart! We will be in heart with you in your meeting!
Armando, Oaxaca, Mexico ¡Te invitamos a compartir nuestra esencia!

She wants her supporters to think she did a wonderful, loving, generous, peaceful thing just by meeting with y'all. I wonder how Holzwarth will describe the meeting last night. Wonder how soon she'll update her newsletter.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 03, 2008, 12:57:08 pm
Thanks to all for their strong stand and their efforts against this abuser.

Was she charged by Fish and Wildlife? It seems to me that illegally importing eagle feathers would be a criminal charge under federal law. She should be facing a big fine or a bit of jail time.

I wonder if a lawyer could find a creative legal remedy Hartman could do about his blood being used without his permission, smeared on an object he finds so offensive.

That supporter Armando from Mexico sounds like a cross between a Castaneda supporter and a character from Dr. Strangelove. "Torturer" is sometimes used by the Castaneda people to describe people who ask for proof. And what he said in Spanish was "We invite you to partake of our essence."
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 03, 2008, 02:15:40 pm
Over all that's a very good job. Got a lot more than I expected, just have to hold her to it. Good work.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 03, 2008, 05:26:18 pm
I thought the meeting with Holzwarth wasn't supposed to start until 6:00 pm. It started early? Really surprised she gave us that much time.

I agree, I don't think Holzwarth has any intention of stopping what she's doing. As others have said, the fact that she didn't address key issues and questions is very telling. What about the events scheduled for Saturday and Sunday? She's not going to wear her regalia or use her drum? Those folks paid $333 for two days of Holzwarth beating on her drum playing Indian. Wonder what she's going to do.



my apologies lol - I am in Colorado - it was 4:00 my time - it was a long day...:)
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 04, 2008, 12:46:23 am
Update for today.  Ms. Holzwarth, since she gets a little over the edge if you call her by her given name, was a woman of her word, or maybe some of her supporters kept her to it.  I do not know for sure.
It was a long day yesterday and a short night last night, so my typing may have missed a bit.  In brief since 4:00AM yesterday morning (It is now 8:30PM today) I have managed 2 hours sleep, so forgive me if my typing is worse than last night please.
We gathered between 9:00 and 9:30 this morning.  The hosts were all there.  Pictures were taken of our license plates.  One of the hosts came and was speaking with us, trying to get us to leave.  We told him we were there peacefully and with respect to ensure she was an honorable woman, following the agreement she had with us.  The Sheriff was called. He came and asked us what was going on.  We explained the situation and that the Fish and Wildlife had taken her eagle feathers last night and we only wanted to ascertain that the agreement was being followed.  He showed great respect for our purpose and asked us to move all our vehicles to one side of the road for safety purposes which we were in the process of doing when a police officer from a neighboring town drove up.  They had a brief talk and the sheriff came back with him and again asked our purpose, we explained we were there peacefully and with no anger but simply assuring our agreement of the previous evening was being met.  The Sheriff informed us that they were told (of all things to say about natives I was in shock over this) we were protesting against a veteran who had just come home from the war.  I am positive they saw by our reaction that nothing could be further from the truth.  As the police left they waved at us, realizing we were there in a good way. 
The owner of the property came back and asked two of us to come and walk his land and speak with him.  This we did.  We walked and spoke honestly from the heart.  I felt him to be an honest man who had made a simple mistake in not understanding our protocols.  He asked us to bless the land, which we did, this blessing was for the earth and to ask the creator to remove any bad spirits from this place and cause it to be a place of understanding.  He guaranteed us by his word that the drum would be kept in its trailer.  We chose not to enter the event at that point not wanting to taint the good that was happening.  Our drum came and sang a song to bring us all good feelings.  One of our members proceeded to go to the event and see what needed to be seen.  Ms. Holzwarth was dressed in the same outfit we had seen the night before, a white robe, covered by a long white coarse woven poncho.  She had a small hand drum and was using it to sing.  Our member returned and we sang some more.  We had discussed leaving after a couple more songs and the Sheriff returned.  He had been told more people had arrived wer causing a traffic hazard on a dirt road, and came to see.  He informed us he felt we were doing this in a good way but needed to be sure there were no emotions going to flare.   Our people were well aware of our position here and were all in a peaceful way.  A tow truck with a motor home and a following car drove by and blew the horns giving our singers a thumbs up.  A woman drove up and welcomed us, she told us if the parking was an issue we could park on her land just down the road.  She is appalled by the pay to pray concept of this venue.  So it was a good day.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: LittleOldMan on May 04, 2008, 01:40:32 am
It is said that when an Elder is needed that one will come.  It seems that the greatest of all Elders ( CREATOR ) was with you last night.  Remember that one battle does not make a war vigilance is a must.  "LittleOldMan"
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 04, 2008, 01:45:34 am

 The Sheriff informed us that they were told (of all things to say about natives I was in shock over this) we were protesting against a veteran who had just come home from the war.  I am positive they saw by our reaction that nothing could be further from the truth.  As the police left they waved at us, realizing we were there in a good way. 


She (or perhaps in this case her supporters might've called the cops) are just full of stereotypes, this time about supposed "radicals". I don't want to sidetrack this thread too much, but most of the abuse done to returning vets these days comes from war supporters, done against antiwar vets.

Or perhaps she just is completely ignorant about how many NDNs are vets, or all the support NDN communities give to vets. Whoever made that call must  have not heard of Lori Piestewa or Ira Hayes.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: EuropeanAmerican on May 04, 2008, 08:53:43 am
Greetings,

I was at the gathering on Friday evening. We drove for over and hour to get there, and we did not know that the event had been cancelled. I understood that there was a donation for adults only. I assumed that this was to cover the cost of renting the room. I have been going to workshops and gatherings for decades, and I have never paid for prayer or ceremony. We usually donate more than is requested to help cover the travel expenses and time of the speakers and presenters as a giveaway. I don’t remember anyone saying that they "Paid to come and Pray" I said that I thought that the purpose of the gathering that evening was for prayer and to connect directly to the Earth through the energy of the drum. We were very disappointed to not be able to experience the vibrations of the drum. We have had many family transitions lately, and my intention was to be energized and renewed by the sounds of the drum. We are new to this area after living in central Ohio for twenty years, and we were also hoping to meet some like-minded people. That is all we expected. My husband is a drum maker, so I am sure he was also interested in seeing how the drum was actually made.

I did not think it was a Native American drum or associated with any Native American person or Native American tribe. We were actually surprised to see so many Native Americans in the room, because we did not expect to see any. I never thought that I was going to receive any Native American teachings that evening. By the name “prayerformance??? it is clear that the major purpose was entertainment and enjoyment. It was not intended to be a ceremony. I thought the purpose of the drum was for global unification and world peace. I found out about this gathering from a friend in New Mexico who had seen the drum last fall. I just read her e-mail again, and it said nothing about Native Americans.

I have heard many Native American teachers in Ohio and in Michigan over the last three decades. I respect the teachings, and I appreciate when the elders are willing to share their teachings when they can. Out of respect for the Native American community, I do not intrude by asking for personal teachings. I was taught my whole life by my parents and elders that there are many paths to the same truth. Those are the roots of my spirituality. Finding my path means learning the many traditions just as my parents, uncles and aunts taught me.

There seems to be some confusion about the meeting time on Friday evening. We arrived at 7, and it was over at 8:40. I was told it started at 6:30 when the room was available. I do not understand the controversy about the blood inside the drum or who has blessed the drum or not blessed the drum. I would like to know more about that. I do know that both women and men have traditionally been drummers on this continent and all over the planet.

It seems in the future, it would be most helpful if you would arrive early at any public gatherings with the grandmother drum, perhaps hand out flyers at the door explaining anything that you believe to be fraudulent, then either leave or join in on the drumming. I do not think that you have any legal authority or authority from the creator to prevent those of us who would like to see the drum and participate in our celebration of life with the sounds and vibrations of the drum. I also do not think you can judge whether that is a fake experience for me or for anyone else. The gentleman who said that was being very disrespectful to me and to the spiritual path that I have been on for the last 53 years. I have the ability to decide for myself what experiences are meaningful for me. Healing comes from the creator, not from any medicine person. It can happen at a drum circle, the gift of a flower or from an herb. Even if White Eagle Medicine Woman is “fake??? or insincere in some way, I can still have an experience that makes me feel more whole and more in balance to deal with the many stresses in life. I can still have the opportunity to meet some new friends.

I have been in many circles in my life of many forms. I have never before been in a “circle??? with the intention of attacking one person and disrespecting the spiritual path of many others. I am very disappointed. It was a lesson to me that what appears to be a circle may actually be based on fear, not love. I understand the source of your anger as much as I can, however I do not think that attacking a woman with a big drum is an effective outlet for such hostility. No one is going to get rich from traveling around the world with a drum. Please hand out informative flyers at public gatherings if you like and just let the drum have its time and space, Trust that it was brought into the world for some reason and perhaps even a few people may experience joy or even healing from its presence.

Peace and Joy

MW
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 04, 2008, 01:22:42 pm
I originally logged on this morning to let most of you know there is a new video out you might want to see made by one of our supporters who was there yesterday.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qNDbkPQg8RM
Now I feel I must answer EuropeanAmerican.
In the first place you were obviously misinformed.  Rachel Holzwarth is the real name of the woman you came to see with the grandmother drum.  If you were there you heard her say "Do NOT call me Rachel, that is not my name", yet that is the name she gave to the Fish and Wildlife Agent who was there to escort her out so he could confiscate her ILLEGAL eagle feathers.  It is against the law for a person to posess feathers from migratory or protected species without a permit and she knew this yet CHOOSE to break the law.  That is the type of person you came to see an admitted criminal.
Further, the "Prayerformance" was cancelled by her, not us.  We were going to stay outside and protest.  She is the one who choose to cancel the "Prayerformance" and meet with us so people would not have to hear about it from outside.  To enter her "Prayerformance" you would have had to pay $33.00 in advance (no break for children) or $40.00 at the door.  She charges the organizations that host her drum $2500.00 plus travel expenses to bring her there, or 60% of the door take whichever is greater, plus she gets 100% of the sale of the items (baby drums, rattles, etc.)
I can direct you to several news articles as you heard mentioned by one of the people who was there on Friday (Weymouth, Ma. where the blood was rubbed on the drum by her, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Alaska, Australia, etc.) where it is described as Native American.  You would also have heard one of the people there mention several Native Reservations and HIGHLY respected leaders, some of whom were on the telephone (except for when one of her supporters unplugged it, we only found out yesterday that the interuption in the telephone was intentional and who did it, although we don't know his name he was in the back of the room standing next to our young cancer survivor, who said Ms. Holzwarth "did not want the burden placed on them" {our healers}, so we all saw his face.) causing one of the people to move into the center of the room to reinitiate the call.  You saw all this so you would know it to be true.
I am sorry, but I consider this an act of sabotage when our respected leaders are intentionally disconnected from a conversation where in Ms. Holzwarth's own words, " We are honored to welcome all those that have voiced their feelings through emails or phone calls to come in a peaceful way to resolve these concerns. We also welcome all those who feel called and would benefit from this kind of circle."  As all readers here know we struggled to bring these leaders to us, but do to funding issues, (for your own edification people living on reservations in this country often do not have running water or electricity and are below poverty level incomes, some at just over $2,000.00 per YEAR), we could not get them in.  So one of the people (not with Ms. Holzwarth, actually the one who crawled, in extreme pain, on their hands and knees to the center of the room to reinitiate it) paid out of their pocket for that telephone conference call.
Also, traditionally the original people, Native Americans, the women do not do the drumming on a big drum, but only use hand drums.  This is known to all who know the people who were here first.
Apparently you must have been paying such intense attention to what was being said (or you left early) that you lost track of time because (if you were still there) you would have heard Ms. Kathy Gayoski (the moderator) trying desparately hard to get the talking stick (microphone) around the room so everyone had a chance to speak, say we only had the room for another 20 minutes.  The room was reserved until 10:00 and we continued to speak after that and I personally did not get out until almost 10:30.  The room was actually available ALL day.  Ms. Holzwarth requested  a private audience with only one of our grandmother's and a representative from Ohio, (Oh! and of course the Fish and Wildlife officer ascertaining Ms. Holzwarth did not leave without him to be able to confiscate the eagle feathers), until 6:30, the meeting of the minds was actually supposed to start at 6:00pm, so it was late.  Yes the "prayerformance" was supposed to start at 7:00pm.
As for the drum, it might be prudent to tell you, the blood is not inside the drum, inside the drum are human remains.  They are those of a woman who died with her in Australia (and she couldn't heal her).  The blood was from one of our warriors, her is a first hand account of the blood being placed on the drum.
"White Eagle Medicine Woman came over to the spot on the gym floor near me where the policewoman had subdued her opponent ... The police picked him up and started force walking him towards the exit doors.
She noticed that his blood was on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her right hand around on the little red puddle. Then she paused and rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin. Her actions were eerily calm, slow and deliberate, in great contrast to the commotion and noise around us. She was not speaking."

This is the type of person you were going to pay to see.
The statements I have made here can all be substantiated by newspaper artciles, or by your own eyewitness account, or in the case of the disconnection by eye witness account of several of the people there.
You witnessed the voices of the people there who spoke from their heart, you know this to be true, search deep within and listen and the creator will tell you all you heard said that evening to be true.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 04, 2008, 01:40:41 pm
half-wolf i updated the video you can see at my channel page it's new and may have some bugs for a little bit
http://www.youtube.com/user/mtig49
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtJYR-neIY


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 04, 2008, 01:59:37 pm
OK there has been an update to the video so here is the new link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bHtJYR-neIY
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 04, 2008, 02:27:16 pm
Thanks for the video, mtig49. Thanks for all of them.

I wonder if EuropeanAmerican is even a real person. Of course he's real, but you know what I mean. This post could have been written by Holzwarth's public relations people. Guaranteed it'll appear in her next newsletter. Something to think about.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 04, 2008, 02:45:37 pm
to EuropeanAmerican (is she i thinks she was sit over by me)

I drove three times what you drove to be there with my wife and 10 month boy. I dont know how you could misunderstood that there was only donation when you pay upfont 35 or 40 at the door. you say "I have never paid for prayer or ceremony" but you payed to be there that day! or you were going to pay before White Ego Woman choose to cancel. Im sorry you lived in ohio for so long. Nothing against ohio by it is a state without native tribes or tribes the way the US goverment list them.

i was down there last summer and someone came up to me and told my if i gave the $$$ i could be part of there made up tribe of ohio. maybe now you just move to michigan which i one of the top ten start for number of native people you can start to learn some real things. If you want to hear real drums there is a pow wow coming up around the 10th of May in fowlerville michigan. Im not 100% on date check around.

one of the best things you do say is "I was taught my whole life by my parents and elders that there are many paths to the same truth." that was one of my first teaching as a kid in or creation story in that story told us that many people was made not just here but the lands on the other side of the waters and all got there creations story's and all these story are true. because they all come from one place. but you must have not read up on you you were about to pay. there is a lot of website and bio were she says she native and list her native knowledge. 
she also list people she says that bless the drum and what she dose but they never have or will every and she was been told to stop that.

as for your words "either leave or join in on the drumming. I do not think that you have any legal authority or authority" do you remember that there was a Fish and wildlife officer there! what about his authority or when the IRS get a hold of her! Which they will. If she thought fish and wildlife was hard just she want for that knock on her door.

Please next time be inform before you pay someone for a ceremony
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 04, 2008, 03:57:21 pm
EuropeanAmerican:
I was not only taught, but raised to see and experience, by going into churches and synagogues, for months on end with many people; as I was taken from my mother several times in my life (that is what was always done to our families, read your history books), and by my mother so I would learn to be tolerant and understand other people and respect the differences.
Having experienced all this, the one thing that came across clearly was the need to respect the sacredness of another culture and NOT try to IMITATE their religion or use it for my own purpose.
This is of what you heard us speak.  If you could not listen to what we said, it is because your ears were closed, come and we will dust them with a feather, that you may hear.
Be open and let your heart hear what we said, We were not there to abuse her, we were there to teach her and help her understand the error of her way.  I personally have contacted her on several occasions to try and explain the issue, but my pleas fell on deaf ears.  She would not respect lone voices, but when we came together as a group to speak, we were there to tell her she had to stop, did she listen, hear?  I think not, because she appeared to think it was only Michigan speaking.  She will continue to face our people as she travels this land.  She faced it in Australia also for as you know she started by telling us there were nations in Australia where the grandmothers would not let her play her drum  in their lands.   She told one audience of an Australian "fighter" (I do not know their correct term for what we call a warrior so I humbly apologize and use the term she did) who objected to her coming to their land and there was a problem of which she did not speak further.
Considering it is not just our land and people who object, I would think there is a lesson for all. Respect the traditions of all nations, they are not yours to use as you choose.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 04, 2008, 08:45:46 pm
This is a letter she advertised on her own webpage.
"I am unable to be with you in person on Fri but I am praying for you and all those who are in pain, anger etc. and are stuck in the past ways of creating change. I will also be with you on Fri as time allows and during the time you will be meeting. Thank you for Rev. Whites message yesterday. I also was sent a channel from Archangel Michael who talked about reconciliation being part of the energies for May and caught a glimpse of the end of news that the Canadian Govt. is issuing a formal apology to our indigenous peoples for the harm that was done by the residential schools. So you are in the midst of a big shift. Thank you for holding your part of all of this Love and light,-Dianne, Vancouver Island, Canada"
So if the Canadian government can apologize for what it did, stealing from the Native People of North America why can't she?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 04, 2008, 09:27:12 pm
She just may need to bump her head a few more time in other natives lands to open her eyes that this is just the start of the storm. When her eyes are open see will see that the voices she heard the other night rings out for all parts of this land and other natives lands on this side of the water and on the other side of the great water.

In the teachings from my people of creation, In beging there was just a sound that sound was thought of the great sprit from that one thought everything was made.
thats the power we seen a part of this weekend with all of us natives having one voice we also have one thought. With one thought we have the power of creation 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 04, 2008, 11:58:06 pm
 Now that fish and wildlife got thier hands on her soon i will be the IRS!
Even Al Capone was taken down my the IRS and so will White Ego Women!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 01:39:48 am
Having watched the video and thinking on all this, a reality suddenly hit.  Can someone tell me why, Rachel did not want the meeting recorded.  Yet the AIM members knowing they were being taped did not hide their faces and were talking openly, unafraid, even when the police were there.  This just seems very odd the person who claims to the entire world she is in the right, hides her "open meeting" from the public eye and the people who are purportedly (according to her) the aggressors do so in the open eye of the public in front of the police, unafraid and unashamed of their actions.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: LittleOldMan on May 05, 2008, 02:25:02 am
Attend to my words those of you who follow this Grandmother Drum.  Listen to what I am about to say and ponder on it.  Do you detect anger from the Native Community?  Yes you do and hurt as well.  Why, you ask.  We are just trying to reach Spirit you say.  Listen well with your ears as well as your heart.  We have had our lands stolen, our women and children tortured and killed by the hands of those like you.  We have had our children stolen and their minds subverted by your civilization.  In your spiritual bankruptcy you have even tried to take the method that Creator gave to us as a means of communication and interaction with Him.  Do you not understand, the ceremony that the Creator gave to us we are allowed to share sometimes with those who we have proved but we are not allowed to sell or pervert it for it is not ours.  It is only loaned to us as a means of worship and one through which we may have a relationship with Creator.  He is the true owner.  When you steal , borrow, change or otherwise corrupt the ceremony  you are really stealing from Creator.  Does it not make sense that when one does this it offends the Creator.  We the Native Community have been given the responsibility to watch over these ceremonies to keep them correct and pure so that our relationship with the Creator will be a good one.  We  will admonish any one who attempts to steal or corrupt ceremony we have no choice.  We have given up enough we will give up[ no more.  These are my words  and I am as always "LittleOldMan" 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 05, 2008, 02:37:57 am
Having watched the video and thinking on all this, a reality suddenly hit.  Can someone tell me why, Rachel did not want the meeting recorded. 
                                                                                                                                                                                                        It would be bad for business in her eyes. Can you imagine this expoitation being put on the internet, and her making concessions on tape? And being confronted also by the Wildlife people. She wants no record ot that on the internet for all to see.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 02:39:29 am
one to change or lie about what happen there or at lest twist it to fit what looks best for her. 

Im really starting to think that there is a part of White Ego Woman that enjoyed what happen. If not enjoyed then to use it to serve her big ego! The thought is coming from something she said what her people (love how her people change to serve what she going to say next, which i could do that!) unjustly persecuted for there earthy religion in Europe (witch!) were burn alive. In her head she see that she is being unjustly persecuted just like them or natives were persecuted against. than that way it can add to the big ego she has.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 05, 2008, 02:45:15 am
Yep, I think she will play victim, another reason not to tape it. It would show she is not. But, all in all, it was a job well done.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 05, 2008, 03:08:27 am
What happened today? Protests had been planned for all three days. Did anyone go to today's performance, to make sure she was keeping her word?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 08:59:52 am
mtig49:
good point!!  It had been forgotten that she also exploded when she told of her people in Europe being persecuted and burnt at the stake.  I (being as naive as I am) beleived her and thought of her Irish heritage, forgetting she was also a Strega Wiccan Priestess.  I have Irish friends who come and celebrate with us and I know the stories of their persecution are much the same as ours as are those of the black people.  Her story changed to suit what she thought would make her look good and draw sympathy, it did not work and Samantha's whisper in Rachel's ear fell on my left ear (I am somewhat deaf on that side) and was lost on the ground. 
Her word to us was kept yesterday as well whether by her or by her host who was seen speaking to us in the video I do not know, but the honor promised to us by her host (personally I think it was him) was kept. 
I would also ask that if any find her coming to their area they contact us and we will try to help keep her from doing anything there as we did here.  Hopefully we will make further strides forward and get the other sacred items she still holds and keeps from their rightful place.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 09:26:36 am
I found this response on another site to the issue of the drum not being returned to the Wamponag warrior whose blood was spilled.  The person who wrote this was chastising the people for not returning the drum to the Wamponag.  I will speak to the warrior whose blood is on that drum and find what he wants, but I think the statements here are good and need to said to remind us all that there are many feelings here and we need to be mindful of that and respect those ways when we make our decisions.  This person was told to speak to their elders because of the anger they had expressed at an individual who was not at fault in any of this but was learning why we are saying these things about the exploitation of our culture.

"A man who took me as a brother lost his nephew when he was murdered. He got caught between two gangs from two other ethninities. While he was trying to get ouit of the way, he ran between some buildings where he was ambushed by one of the gangmembers that was assigned to cut any of the other gang mambers trying to escape.
Now this was an extrodinary young man, great dancer, singer, warrior. He was lean, tall and had long flowing hair which he kept in two braids as is our way. When he was down, they took his hair. This happened right next to his home. He died in the arms of pregneant girlfriend. With the help of ome friends that I had with media connections we were able to get the two killers off the street, at least for a while. His hair was never recovered, we even offered to buy it back, no questions asked but to no avail.
So, I guess my question to her defenders is if they have a problem with what she did with this man’s blood. Do you condone it? Could you see any instance in which that behavior or action is called for? Could you even try to justify this action?
And no, I wasn’t in Mass for that melee. But I understand the emotions that are drawn on when confronted by things that one is sensitive to and very protective of. Yes there is much healing needed but one of the things you defenders need to understand is that we see these things differently from you. The things that we see her as “stealing??? are ours, given to us by the Creator for us to use. They are not interchangeable we can’t use Dine’ ceremonies, nor will they use ours. Our spiritual ways, except for the Peyote way, do not cross tribal lines, though each NAC Ytibal chapter does things a little differently each according to their tribe’s way. That’s all you need to know about that. So with that in mind, how can we be expected to accept or much less just turn our heads to to your friends activities while we aren’t even able or supposed to “give??? our ceremonies to our brother tribes. These are what makes us, US. This along with our language, culture and ways give us our tribal identities. I have told folks that I am American by consquence, if I am Christian, it is by choice but I am Indian by the Grace of God. If you can understand that, you are well on your way to understanding the underlying frustrations that make us challenge your friends ligitimacy to cinduct such activities. We do these things because we are supposed to, she does them by choice.
As for the rest of you who are trying to educate her defenders, I wish you luck. It is my feeling and prayer that they have heard you. By no means do I want her friends to dismiss her as a friend. That is not my intent, my intent is show them that many people, with legitimate ties to these ceremonies have a major beef with her. I am not even going to ask her defenders to accept our views but I hope that they will at least try to understand that many, many people are upset with this woman. I would hope that before they try to justify her actions, they will step back and look at it from the other side. I want them to say to themselves that they will be there to help her when it’s over but remember that any conflict that arises either through discourse or those unfortunate incidents in Massachusetts, it will be because she has chosen to proceed with her “Native American??? prayerformances. Respectfully, I have to remind you that she can no longer plead ignorance.
I must apologize to you Mr. Hannahulaku for singling you out earlier. I had to see what was lying beneath your elequent and well thought out responses to those questioning your friends actions. I believe that you are a sincere man and from what I can see, a very staunch and true friend. I have no pearls of wisdom for you but I wll give you this. See if you can find a Navajo that is well versed in “HOZO???, not the understanding you get from reading a book. Go out and actually find a Navajo or Dine’, as some prefer to be called. Ask them if they are willing to teach you. I am not Dine’, so it is not mine to give you. But if you can find that and someone to show you, I think it would help you see why conflicts like these arise and how to maybe help your friend with her problems. I have a feeling that you have spent time in New Mexico, Arizona or the Southwest, so you may have already had some exposure to it. I will ask you to convey to your friend rachel, that the opposition will not stop as long as she continues using any Native American aspect in her ceremonies. She has been told and I believe them when they that she will be left alone to do her thing as long as she doesn’t try to use or imply any Native American aspect to her ceremonies. At some point though she should address the blood taking incident, perhaps she should contact the one whose blood she took and try to make peace. I can’t give you any advice here because I don’t know how the Wamponoags handle situations like these. Sooner would probably be better than later. She also has to understand that this was a very grevious incident and might even be unforgiveable.
I have heard from some of the elders about what this woman did, We need to pity her, pray for her, she is lost and can’t find her center and she is trying to take the shortest path she thinks she can take to get there. I won’t share the rest of what was said because we have prolonged this enough, hopefully she will abide and we can all move on to other offenders."
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on May 05, 2008, 10:22:37 am
good point!!  It had been forgotten that she also exploded when she told of her people in Europe being persecuted and burnt at the stake.

Ah, the I'm oppressed too, so I can do no wrong excuse, combined with falsification of history. That really p***es me off. There is no evidence of historical continuity - none whatsoever - between modern pagans like Holzwarth and the Europeans murdered by heretic-hunters in the Middle Ages.

Tens of thousands, not millions, of people were killed as witches over roughly four hundred years, starting in the 1300s. Contrast that with the bloody cost of medieval warfare: on a single day in 1461, over 20,000 men died at the battle of Towton in England.

Persecution of the perceived enemies of Christendom began in the 1100s with heretics, Jews and lepers. 'Witches' became a target in the 1400s. Their existence as an organised vanguard of Satan was as imaginary as the supposed Jewish conspiracy.

If Holzwarth has Irish ancestors who were persecuted, they are much more likely to have been oppressed after the witch-craze years, by the English, for being Catholic and Irish. Although Ireland was the place of the first generally recognised witch-trial in Europe, of Alice Kyteler in 1324, it was largely passed over by the madness that followed. Only three other people were executed as witches in Ireland.

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...forgetting she was also a Strega Wiccan Priestess.

Anyone can call themselves a Wiccan priest or priestess. 'Stregheria' is yet another neo-pagan offshoot, inspired by the rediscovery of Charles Leland's book Aradia, Or the Gospel of the Witches. Before he wrote it in 1899, Leland had already grossly distorted Passamaquoddy, Mi'kmaq, Maliseet and Penobscot spirituality. See here (http://www.stthomasu.ca/~parkhill/19th.htm). Aradia is probably a work of fantasy: these days he'd writing scripts for Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 05, 2008, 02:17:14 pm
Her word to us was kept yesterday as well whether by her or by her host who was seen speaking to us in the video I do not know, but the honor promised to us by her host (personally I think it was him) was kept. 
I would also ask that if any find her coming to their area they contact us and we will try to help keep her from doing anything there as we did here.  Hopefully we will make further strides forward and get the other sacred items she still holds and keeps from their rightful place.

Was anyone there to actually see that she was keeping her word? Or were you told this by her host? Remember her host is Edward Jones, who conducts Ojibwe sweat lodges and other ceremony at the Center of Light Spirituality. I think he commented on the things the Ojibwe Elder George had taught him, while he was meeting with y'all Saturday morning. In mtig49's video you can hear him saying "he passed on his teachings to me because of what I hold in my heart not what's in my blood". It's muffled but I'm sure that's what he was talking about. He went on to say "I honor all people. I heard that agreement. I absolutely insure you I will keep it." I'd like to believe him, but I don't know if we can really trust him either.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 03:17:51 pm
yes one guy did go in and he talks about it in the video. So he did see for himself that her words was keept, for now! thats not to say that she may not be keepting it right now.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 03:36:09 pm
BLS: You need to learn to trust us.  We are taking our steps slow and sure, so we do not slip and lose our footing.  We are the ones who accomplished much here, we will not stop until our goal is reached.  If we do not tell you everything we know it is for a reason.  We know who he claims as his elder.  There are many things not on the video. There are many things not said here either.  What you should have seen on the video was people who were not hiding their faces.  Warriors who are standing tall and proud, unafraid and unashamned, teaching children to stand for what they believe, and show respect for those who deserve it. 
If you listened well you also heard him try to get us to leave and we did not.  You also saw the police not bother us, because they knew the issues.  We know what we are doing, if you are not here from this land, do not question us.  Let us handle our land.  If she comes to your land then you may lead and you will find we do not question you, but still will offer our help as best we can following your lead.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 05, 2008, 03:42:53 pm
yes one guy did go in and he talks about it in the video. So he did see for himself that her words was keept, for now! thats not to say that she may not be keepting it right now.

That was Saturday. I'm wondering about Sunday's performance. Was anyone there yesterday?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 05, 2008, 03:49:02 pm
BLS: You need to learn to trust us.  We are taking our steps slow and sure, so we do not slip and lose our footing.  We are the ones who accomplished much here, we will not stop until our goal is reached.  If we do not tell you everything we know it is for a reason.  We know who he claims as his elder.  There are many things not on the video. There are many things not said here either.  What you should have seen on the video was people who were not hiding their faces.  Warriors who are standing tall and proud, unafraid and unashamned, teaching children to stand for what they believe, and show respect for those who deserve it. 
If you listened well you also heard him try to get us to leave and we did not.  You also saw the police not bother us, because they knew the issues.  We know what we are doing, if you are not here from this land, do not question us.  Let us handle our land.  If she comes to your land then you may lead and you will find we do not question you, but still will offer our help as best we can following your lead.

Y'all did a great job and should be very proud of what was accomplished. It is not that I don't trust you. It's that I don't trust Holzwarth and her supporters.

Okay, no more questions. One comment though . . . I thought this was a joint effort, not solely a Michigan issue.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 04:19:13 pm
It is not solely Michigan.  The call for what is happening here is being handled in our way.  Maybe what you are not aware of is that during Friday's meeting the teleconference line was donated by the Native American's here.  On that telephone line were elders, leaders and healers from across the country.  Some who were invited and could not attend had expressed their issues beforehand and those issues were also raised.  The complete report of what occured has been communicated to them as well.  As I said, " If we do not tell you everything we know, it is for a reason ... There are many things not on the video. There are many things not said here either. "   I do not mean to sound harsh, but there is much at stake for all and some things must be kept and left unsaid.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 05, 2008, 04:24:32 pm
Sorry. It was a simple question. Do we know for sure she kept her word on Sunday? That's all. Wasn't asking for anything more.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 04:27:26 pm
it was and still is a joint effort from all natives. Just look around you will see people from all parts of US with comments making phone calls and anything they can to help. Just because this last part happen to happen in Michigan don't make in a michigan thing. If it was in any other state you would see the same comments. I am from michigan but someone not from michigan but ws online unformed me, and there had been lots of work done by that time. Just because this all just happen in michigan does take away or over ride all the work everyone has done to this point.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 04:33:17 pm
   I do not mean to sound harsh, but there is much at stake for all and some things must be kept and left unsaid.

There are things in the works right now that if we talk openly about them it would risk too much of everyone work! All it would take would be one wrong person to see it and that work would have been for wasted. As soon as it safe to talk openly i am sure here will be one of the first place you see it.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 04:37:46 pm
OK, I think we are all on an even footing. BLS, just trust that Michigan is doing (as the police would call it) due diligence if there were something else to report you would hear it by now.  Everything is going according to plan.  The big question now is where will she walk to next, since she cannot fly because they took her wings!  :)  If support is needed let us in Michigan know and we will do all that we can.  I just wish the camera could have shown the roughly 100 people who were there on Friday.  Rachel (she HATES that name!) did not expect that and it was obvious.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 05:14:01 pm
he whole time we where in the meeting it was like she needed control of the situation, thats why she chose the time, place, the moderator, that no camcorders or pictures and that is why she spoke after everyone else. She never answered anyones questions out right. But even though she tried to be in control it really threw her off guard when the vet. handed her tobacco and asked her to find herself stop trying to be some thing she not. (She look like she and no clue about how to handle tobacco, fun for someone rise in her native ways. LIE!)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 05:24:22 pm
Our Native American Vet President got the best response of the evening.  He was standing guard on the east gate (I believe) and came to the exact oposite side of the circle (she was on the west side of the circle), offered the tobacco tie, when she put out her right hand he had to correct her and tell her to take it in her left hand.  She looked completely puzzled.  He then told her to find her own self, her own way and not steal ours.  She held it in her hand fingering it to try and figure out what was inside, as he walked away to a robust round of applause, instead of our general agreement of 'AHO" heard throughout the entire evening.  Way to go!!!  I still smile thinking of his steps.  Anyhow, I watched carefully as she untied the bundle and her puzzled look when she saw the tobacco.  She looked at it as though it was a completely foriegn substance, as a young child who has an unfamiliar food placed on the plate before them and pushes it around with a fork trying to figure out what it is.
This from someone who was"raised in the Seneca tradition".
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 05:48:45 pm
My wife and i was thinking that next time we should include white Ego woman's henchman/minion (sam) that the same thing for them. have Fish and wildlife check them and everything else we had White Ego Woman agree also
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 06:23:34 pm
Good idea.  Let's find out where they are next.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 07:18:47 pm
I was jst thinking.  She made commitments to all the people who paid $3,666.00 who are on tour with her to make all these stops along the way; you know she isn't going to give back any money to them, how is she going to fulfil her obligations to them if she is cancelling all these shows.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 05, 2008, 09:05:11 pm
I remember reading that, and forgot it. But was wondering then what kind of world is that were you pay someone over $3000 to be in their company.  Let alone someone that would charge money to people to be in there company. That is amazing and beyond me.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 05, 2008, 09:41:41 pm
That is White EGO (or is it EVIL) Rachel Woman
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 05, 2008, 11:39:44 pm
I have one of White ego womans minions or herself commenting on my tubevideos. you should read them for a laugh Last time i was told a woman was get that much $$$ for her company there was more than just talking going on!

half wolf my wife wanted you to look at some thing she did to day
http://my-little-native.deviantart.com/art/White-ego-women-FRAUD-84850512
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 06, 2008, 12:49:45 am
just uploaded some more pics of the michigan protest

http://mitg.deviantart.com/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: tall wolf on May 07, 2008, 12:05:17 am
 

    Everyone did great last weekend , really stirred up the ones on the otherside. The michigan protesters were effective. I know that none of you know me, and I understand there is no reason to truust what I say, I have some inside connections with these people. Edward, the man in the video , the host and co-founder of the Center in Oxford, MI. trys to be honest and a good person, His wife Annette has made many angery with her self rightous attitude. Many believe they run scams, What is know about this elder he refers to as George. I know there is reason to keep things selective. but if you want more support.....well......
This coming weekend Rachel is still going to be at the Center in Oxford, for a pray performance, the tickets are $40, to pray , UNREAL.  are people going to be there again to watch her, she is incrediably arrogant and the way she talks about the "poor injured Native" is patronizing and demaning. So much of what you all have said is right on.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 07, 2008, 12:40:54 am
I just found an interview she had you will love it!!!!!  http://www.mysticpopmagazine.com/newsite/Nov-Dec%2007%20issue/page42.html
Devra:
"What is your ultimate  goal with your drum and your work?"
Suraj:
"That's a great question.  I don't think I've asked that.  I like people to ask me questions that suprise me.  I feel like I'm living in the goal.  There's no destiny but the moment itself, FOR ME. ... That's really the Native American Medicine way that I follow. ... and that is in our Native way"

WOW! It is all for her!  ANd then to say that it is Native American Medicine.  She told the community in Michigan she did not represent what she did as Native American.  It was made up by her and her followers.  So why did she say it was Native in the Interview with Mysticpopmagazine?  Proof of her lies continues.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 07, 2008, 12:57:58 am
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it???

 A quote from Adolf Hitler
A lot of people have call this man a lot of thinks but i don't think anyone as ever called him stupid
maybe one lier can see the mistakes for another!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 07, 2008, 01:21:18 am
I was just made aware that she has CDs at Target.  I for one am writing them right now to voice my opinion and tell them I will not shop there until they pull ALL her CDs off the shelves.  If enough of us write in they will listen.  Write In campaigns do work.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 07, 2008, 01:28:01 am
Here is a link to the web showing her CDs
 http://www.target.com/gp/search/602-6969206-1601431?field-keywords=white+eagle+medicine+woman&url=index%3Dtarget&ref=sr_bx_1_1

Here is the link to Target Corporate email
http://www.target.com/gp/help/display-contact-us-form.html?displayLink=tci
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 07, 2008, 01:49:55 am
The more people who write in and tell them of your feelinga the better!
Here is what I told them:

"This letter is regarding your corporate policies.
I have recently been made aware you are selling CDs created by a fraud, who sells herself as Native American, although she is not.  She is selling our religion, this practice would not be allowed by any other religion, and we are actively pursuing her on this.
Her eagle feathers and the eagle wings shown on her CDs have been confiscated by the Fish and Wildlife Service, where she is still currently under investigation.  If she were Native American she would have been able to obtain the correct permit to posess these feathers.  This simple fact proves her to act in felonious/criminal activities.
Her imitation of an eagle, our national icon, in her DVD is denegrating and demaning to the entire country of the United States of America; as is her imitation on the CDs of an entire culture upon whose blood this land is founded.
Most of her "prayerformances" have been canceled by their sponsors upon discovery of the defrauding scam, before she came to their location and caused any issues in their comunities with her fraudulent activities.
Her stories have changed (as has her website) to suit her purposes.  There is documented proof available to any who need this.
I am contacting the Native American Community across the United States and Canada and telling them of this situation. 
I personally will not shop at your stores again until all of Rachel Holzwarth(her real name filed with Fish and Wildlife), aka Suraj Holzwarth, aka Ma Anand Suraj, aka White Eagle Medicine Woman's CDs are taken off your shelves and website and no longer offered for sale by your corporation!  I am requesting this boycot action of all my friends and family.  I will make your actions public knowledge."
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 07, 2008, 02:45:45 am
I have sent them one just now! One of the best ways to get her to stop is though her source of money.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on May 07, 2008, 04:32:19 am
i to have sent target a email and this weekend i will go to my nearest store and complain in person , loud enough for all to hear.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on May 07, 2008, 04:57:54 am
ok next
amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_m?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=White+Eagle+Woman&x=11&y=18

Officers & Directors
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=97664&p=irol-govManage     

walmart
http://musicdownloads.walmart.com/catalog/servlet/SearchServlet;jsessionid=LhzPTF8C85wTQPyVKL95LwTSMy1pYyxRYQ5v2f47TqtZVyWhGpjL!-2146076328?term=White+Eagle+Medicine+Woman&action=artist&x=25&y=10 (http://musicdownloads.walmart.com/catalog/servlet/SearchServlet;jsessionid=LhzPTF8C85wTQPyVKL95LwTSMy1pYyxRYQ5v2f47TqtZVyWhGpjL!-2146076328?term=White+Eagle+Medicine+Woman&action=artist&x=25&y=10)

contact

http://walmartstores.com/contactus/feedback.aspx

still looking
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 07, 2008, 10:29:47 am
To use the Walmart link you MUST copy both lines together and paste it into the address bar it is too long to link on this site so it looks like they have removed it from the list if you just click on the link.  They HAVEN'T yet.


Barnaby's note: link fixed. To make a looooong url work properly, do one of these things:

Code: [Select]
[url]http://www.myloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonglink.com[/url]
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 07, 2008, 10:42:00 am
OK, for those who prefer to paste and copy here is a more generic copy of the letter above written for internet sites that may be found.  If anyone contacts you for this documentation you may contact me through messages and I will send it out to the appropriate people.

This letter is regarding your corporate policies.
I have recently been made aware you are selling CDs created by a fraud, who sells herself as Native American although she is not.  She is selling our religion, this practice would not be allowed by any other religion, and we are actively pursuing her on this.
Her eagle feathers and the eagle wings shown on her CDs have been confiscated by the Fish and Wildlife Service, where she is still currently under investigation.  I consider her imitation of an eagle included in her DVD to be denegrating to the entire country of the United States of America.  She is using our national symbol for monetary profit!
If she were Native American she would have been able to obtain the correct permit to posess these feathers.  This simple fact proves her to act in felonious/criminal activities.
Most of her "prayerformances" have been canceled by their sponsors upon discovery of the defrauding scam, before she came to their location and caused any issues for their comunity members with her fraudulent activities.
Her stories have changed (as has her website) to suit her purposes. 
There is documented proof available!  There is documented proof of these facts availble.
I am contacting the Native American Community across the United States and Canada and telling them of this situation. 
I personally will not shop at your organization again until all of Rachel Holzwarth(her real name filed with Fish and Wildlife), aka Suraj Holzwarth, aka Ma Anand Suraj, aka White Eagle Medicine Woman's CDs are taken off your website and no longer offered for sale by your corporation!  I am requesting this boycot action of all my friends and family.  I will make your actions public knowledge.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 07, 2008, 04:03:41 pm
Ok ex pats take note,Walmart AKA ASDA,in europe,I am already checking what are you all waiting for?you need an invite to 'jump in' or something?.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 07, 2008, 07:26:21 pm
Half Wolf...we've spread the info as far as we can...and asked others to do the same....if everyone involved contacts each address...we should have results.

Also we just received this from one of our members Elaina.

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no more yellowstone for her =) just got this email now. hope you're doing well Trissy. have to go to work now.


To Whom It May Concern:

As of this day May 6, 2008, White Eagle Medicine Woman is no longer participating in the Global Eden Event: The Gathering of One. We were completely unaware of the controversy and issues around her. We were told by her and others that she would be able to bridge the cultures and assist us with different cultures coming together. It was never our intention to do something quit the contrary to our event and its mission.


We, at the Global Eden Event, are about bridging cultures through education to assist the world in coming together in peace and harmony. We do have others from different cultures coming together to educate us on their cultures at this event. However, this is not a Native American event and we will not be doing or performing any ceremonies. The Dance of Oneness we have been doing for the last 3 years without any Native American influence. It is a circle dance to assist us in our oneness. We were instructed by the angels this year to have the First People teach us the philosophy of dance because they dance with their whole body and spirit.


Please except our apologies for our ignorance. We wish you all the best.


Joe & Robbie Crane
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 07, 2008, 09:10:17 pm
It's pretty bad when you're so controversial that the rest of the Twinkies don't want to be associated with you! This Global Eden Event is a veritable Fraudfest: Bennie Lebeau, Jim Tree, Sequoyah Trueblood. There's also a Mayan Elder and two Hopi Elders scheduled to attend; Don Alejandro Oxlaj, Grand Elder of the Mayan People, Milland Lomakema, Hopi Spokesman of Second Mesa, and George Nasafotie, Jr., Hopi Keeper of the Secrets and Prophecies. Not sure how they fit in with the rest of the New Age line-up.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 07, 2008, 10:53:52 pm
I know nothing about being instructed by angels, but I bet it more that they do not wish to be picketed, that they have dropped her appearance. But either way, that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 08, 2008, 02:16:54 pm
I have been told that I am attacking Ms. Holzwarth, (not by someone I consider an elder or grandmother).  I however have tried to be open and honest even pleading for her friends to speak to her and try to explain the situation so she does not get into trouble with other communities.  I do not honestly think this represents attacking.  Can someone tell me if I am mistaken.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 08, 2008, 02:17:18 pm
I have been told that I am attacking Ms. Holzwarth, (not by someone I consider an elder or grandmother).  I however have tried to be open and honest even pleading for her friends to speak to her and try to explain the situation so she does not get into trouble with other communities.  I do not honestly think this represents attacking.  Can someone tell me if I am mistaken.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 08, 2008, 02:24:04 pm
I think there is a difference between exposing and attacking. You don't have to misread anything with her. She has put it all in print.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 08, 2008, 07:51:18 pm
We need to keep the following in mind....Rachel is still selling:

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Medicine Pouches

Plain Sm. $7
Plain Med. $20
Plain Lg  $35
Fringed Sm. $12
Fringed Med. $35
Fringed Lg. $50

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Rattles
Small $15
Medium $30
Large $50
Kits $30

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Staffs
Talking Moon Rainbow Staff $175
Talking Sun Rainbow Staff $175

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Other Ceremonial Items
Medicine Bundles $30
Smudge Feathers $25
Alaskan Sage Bundles/Bag $8
Drum Sticks Plain $10
Drum Sticks Decorated $25

Incidently.... one of our members purchased the 'Smudge Feather'....which happens to be an Eagle Feather...all info and feather has been turned over to Fish and Wildlife...these items are STILL for sale on Rachels site.

Also she's going ahead with her teachings...the ceremony she is offering for a price...is Native American in nature.


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Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge Workshop

Women's Morning Dove Lodge
Yukon Island, Homer, Alaska August 14-19, 2008
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Womens Healing Ceremony and the launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge. This healing week for women is to nuture the teachings of the Morning Dove, the spirit and essence of awakening the receptivity of the Divine Feminine. You will be nourished over these five days with the GrandMothers Heart of One teachings at a beautiful wilderness lodge on Yukon Island, http://yukonisland.com/ a ferry ride across from the pristine glacier carved bays of Homer, Alaska. Total cost including all food, lodging, ferry, and workshops and ceremonies. Cost $1111.00.
Recommend course teachings: Heart of One: Wisdom Teachings of the GrandMothers online course (see above)

As has been requested by the Grandmothers in the, Heart of One Course, this workshop is exclusive to women over 16. All other workshops are open to both men and woman.

Also lets keep in mind her upcoming performances in Alaska....

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BACK HOME IN ALASKA!

August 9, 2008- Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008- Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

We are in the process of protesting the sale of Rachels CD's etc as are many other people....but we also need to keep in mind all of the above...and keep making those calls to hosts...media etc.

Half Wolf....You have not attacked anyone...and I agree with Frederica 100%....keep in mind...Rachel is not under hynosis....she is not incapable of making her own choices...she is the only person who can be held responsible for the theft and sale of our ceremony and ceremonial items...and she does so to make a profit. I read today how many feel sorry for Rachel now...that she is a broken woman....not too broken to stop the sale of all of the above I might add eh? When she made the choice to take from another culture their ceremonies etc and charge a fee....she did wrong....and she's been doing wrong for years. Any healer...any person who truly wishes for healing through prayer, music, song, through a combined effort....DOES NOT CHARGE...nor do thy only offer it to THOSE WITH MONEY! She has been exposed for what she is...and you have done some awesome work on this Half Wolf...you and many others have worked so hard....so much effort has been put forth...and I for one am proud of how our people have stood up side by side and worked on this issue. Its not over yet....please dont allow other peoples comments to cause disheartenment...you have done the right thing...and its called 'Justice'. Just my opinion.

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 08, 2008, 10:43:43 pm

[.she is the only person who can be held responsible for the theft and sale of our ceremony and ceremonial items...and she does so to make a profit.

Tsissy

I with you 100% but this WEF is not the only one thats responsible for theft doing on here! Her little minions do the same thing right beside her. The people that have ask her to come (so they too can make a buck) and do so inform of her are also responsible for the theft.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 08, 2008, 10:49:37 pm
Absolutely....without those willing to pay for her services...she would have no business...and without those willings to host her performances...well...she wouldnt really be an issue eh....by my saying only she is responsible...I was speaking of the fact that some others are claiming she is a 'poor misguided thing'...but...Im not buying that...she is a calculating woman...fully aware of her actions...and should be held accountable for such....not only should she...but she WILL be.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 08, 2008, 11:25:21 pm
your are on the same page lol and i have a feeling that i WE will see soon
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Jim on May 09, 2008, 12:20:22 am
Delated by Jim.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 09, 2008, 01:26:05 am
[Incidently.... one of our members purchased the 'Smudge Feather'....which happens to be an Eagle Feather...all info and feather has been turned over to Fish and Wildlife...these items are STILL for sale on Rachels site.

Also she's going ahead with her teachings...the ceremony she is offering for a price...is Native American in nature.



Wow.....I had a hunch about that....she really IS selling Eagle feathers over the net....

Bad bad bad bad bad bad bad......

Grrr!!!!!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 09, 2008, 01:46:30 am
Well...selling the Eagle Feathers is it for me....but I can't help but think about her abuse of these SACRED items and the energy it brings around her and her instrument.  That thing ends up becoming an amplifier for shooting it out everywhere.  If you were one of the protesters or someone that came across the feather she sold you over the net...protect yourself, get your smudge out and use it.  I only say this, because I found a tad bit more on the event in Australia where she was challenged by some of the aborigines and where eventually soon after her help in Australia that booked her events met an unfortunate end.

The link to the message board is here.  This thread was begun by the Editor of her DVD (not the film crew...didn't go on the road with her...just edited the film, but still admits to "playing" her instrument whenever possible)

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message432531/pg1

For those that don't want to read it I'll copy and paste the relevant info.  The handle Bump 4 Jesus is the film editor and he has a short conversation  that doesn't go into any detail with a Cherokee guy by handle Capt. Kangaroo who played flute at the opening ceremony of the event and who ended up disturbed by what he saw...these are the relevant posts.

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Capt. Kangaroo:
Re: GrandMother Drum Quote

I am cherokee and played flute for the opening ceremonies when the drum was brought to Adelaide South Australia. It is quite the drum but a few people got sick when they layed under it while they were beating it. "not too bright"

As I honored the drum I also cautioned Sarah as I saw corruption in their circle. Some of the Aboriginals here threatened to destroy the drum as they saw it as well.
It wasn't long after a certain incident happened ( I won't mention ) that one of the girls traveling with the drum died from a Brown snake bite.

Their circle was broken and things turned against them here.
I was very disapointed.
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Bump 4 Jesus

Re: GrandMother Drum Quote

Hello Capt,

As the editor of this film I am very familiar with what you talk about in Australia. This teaching is a major part of the film and continues to tour. For many the medicine of the GrandMother drum can be very intense, especially the first time around here medicine. However I can speak my truth in saying that I have seen many healed by the sacred beat of the drum and the crystal inlay.

Thank you all for your comments.
 
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Capt. Kangaroo

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It seems that no matter how good your intentions are when you get groups of people together to do good things, there is always deliberate infiltration from dark souls. One must be careful who they let into the circle even though it is supposed to be where we all belong together.
There are many witches, shapeshifters and tricksters who flock to these things to feed.
Learn to recognise them and protect yourselves.

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Bump 4 Jesus

Re: GrandMother Drum Quote

Thank you for your wisdom Capt Kangaroo.

I do not tour with the drum, I am the editor of the film. I do go see and play it whenever possible. It is generally here in AK for half the year and on the road the rest of the time.

Blessings to all.
 
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Capt. Kangaroo

Blessings to you and keep the sacredness alive. It is the most powerful drum I have ever drummed. It was a very emotional experience when we took the drum to Camp Coorong and exchanged flags with the Narangderi tribe and Elder Uncle Tom.
One of my concerns at the time was that things were split up into womens and mens business for the most part and when we made specific plans for the mens group one day. We ( the men ) were completely ignored. The entire group were women who traveled with the drum and they took complete control.
I think when men and women are split up and one or the other is not allowed in the circle, then there is something to hide.
I have this argument with others who do not allow women to smoke the chunupa or enter a circle during their moon cycle.
When a woman is on her moon cycle, her intuition is stongest. Is this the real reason why they are not allowed. For fear they might find truths the men don't want them to find?
When asked, the reply is always " They're too powerful"

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more Capt. Kangaroo:

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Is Saraj still leading the drum and touring. She looked very weak and unhealthy last I saw her. I hope she is doing better.
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There's more on there....but it doesn't surprise me that  some of the people that lay underneath instrument get sick.  Doesn't surprise me at all.  It's kind of like laying down next to a lightning rod in a thunderstorm waiting to get hit.

Just watch yourselves everyone.  Keep safe.
Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 09, 2008, 02:55:27 am
she spoke well of Native American people
no one says she is not a good speaker. that's how she makes money my talking a good game.  But for some people thats all they do just talk . As you start to see many native people have spoke out about what she is doing but she would not hear. It is  fun that she talks well of natives but her actions paints a deferent picture.  She can talk all she wants but it the is actions  that we do that shows what is really in our hearts. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Jim on May 09, 2008, 05:57:22 am
Delated by Jim
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 09, 2008, 07:54:51 am
Jim:
I keep hearing that she speaks of our pain.  Yet the pain we have is the miconceptions of who we are.  These miconceptions come from people like Ms. Hozwarth and her ilk.  They serve to propagate the stereotypes.  If you want to learn of us, do not go see someone who does not belong with us, come and ask us.  Who we are is not written in a book or seen in dream or a vision.  Who we are is written in our hearts, our very being.  Do not mistake our humility and respect for lack of intelligence or cultural identity for it is not, it is our teachings and our way, it is the thing people do not understand and yet take for granted.  Because of this way they think they can take what they want from us and and use it to their own ends because we have no pride in who we are.  We will not sit still but will stand for all that we are.  Our word is our bond and our word is honor.  Without honor a person is lost.  Honor means respect and pride, doing that which you say.  We have said we will not let any more be taken from us.  If you want to know about us, you must come to us and stop going to "false gods", stop going to people who say they asomething they are not.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: matt e on May 09, 2008, 08:39:14 am
for those who support W.E.M.W. 

  She says the Grandmothers of many nations came to her and told her to make this drum and use for healing and reconciliation.
 Problem- she is white.
 The Grandmothers would know that sending a white woman to do this using clearly native spirituality would not promote reconciliation and healing. They would know their people would never stand for such a thing, and would fight against it which would defeat the stated purpose.
 IF they really decided that she was the person they wanted to do this, they would have gone to the elders and healers of their people and informed them of their choice so they could offer guidance and support. This obviously never happened. conclusion- 1.she outright lied (which after seeing the many other lies she has propagated) is in my opinion, correct. or 2. She was deceived by spirits claiming to be the Grandmothers of the various nations.

  She did ritualistically rub blood from a human on the drum. there are two basic reasons for human blood in a ritual 1. sacrifice 2. to create a connection to a person.
 using someone's blood without permission from the donor for either reason is an act of evil.

 The native spirituality is not available to everyone. it is a part of them like an arm or leg is part of the body. anyone from outside their communities could not begin to understand the true importance of various ceremonies on a spiritual level. Some of you claim that you should be able to benefit spiritually from it. Ok, are you willing to give up your current life, and go live as one of them? This can often mean living in abject poverty. Are you willing to do this for say.....20-30 years?
 I thought not. But that is what would be required for you to begin to really understand, as well as learn the language, because they must be done in the proper language, pronounced properly, and performed by those who have the proper knowledge, understanding, and selflessness to give themselves completely to the people they serve, with no material benefit.  Of course, you probably would not be willing to do that either.
 
 By the way, believe it or not there are things far more valuable in this world than money.
 funny, those who claim that it is ok to charge people for spiritual teachings ignore the basis of every major religion "freely you have received, freely give".(quote from the Bible, but similar sentiments are found in all the other religions)
     real healers do not charge. real psychics do not charge. real clergy(priest, minister, rabbi, etc.) do not charge. the only people charging for their services are eventually shown to be frauds.
 The real ones consider it an offense against the ONE who empowered them to lead, heal, guide, and help others. 
 If you want to know something about a people group, go ask them, do not get your information filtered by someone else.
 
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: taraverti on May 09, 2008, 08:40:06 am
Jim,

No she has not spread the word. NO SHE HAS NOT SPREAD THE WORD. She has spread lies. Why do you refuse to believe this? Yes the world is thirsty, her fountain is poison. It's based on lies lies and more lies. And great disrespect for what she claims to honor.  I'm sorry if this shatters an illusion for you, however, in my opinion, better to shatter the illusion and thus be freed to seek the real thing, than to mistake the poor immitation for the real thing.

You quote Rumi.  Better you dive  into those deep waters than chase after fanciful illusion. Seriously.  You could study Rumi for a lifetime, be immersed in great joyful deep spirituality 24 hours a day, and still have only scratched the surface. And you wouldn't have hurt or disrespected anyone or stolen anything.

The stealing and the misrepresentation and the greed taints it to the point that you'd be better off with no spiritual teachings than these twisted ones. They are damaging on a spiritual level, BECAUSE of the deception and disrespect.  I for one can FEEL the wrongness in it.

Go read some  more Rumi and then open your heart and really listen with your heart to what is being said here.

I wish you well,

Nona

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Jim on May 09, 2008, 12:03:32 pm
"Why do you refuse to believe this? ", your right, and I do believe you, just trying to find some good in all of this, perhaps there is none after all. I felt obliged to say something, I do appologise if I have offended anyone, I have had my say, thanks and good luck to you all.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 09, 2008, 12:21:58 pm
Jim its not that you have offended anyone, its we wish to educate people about this.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: taraverti on May 09, 2008, 01:28:03 pm
Jim, one very good thing that has come out of this is that you are a more enlightened person for it.  I don't want to be presumptuous, but I see you farther along your own path because of your experiences with this. That alone is a great thing, I believe.

Multiply it by that unknow number of others who are now more aware.  Every individual who now sees the truth has been somehow enriched by it. They have gained a depth of understanding.

So individuals have grown and there is now more truth in the world.  In addition of course to the curbing of Suraj's activities.

A very trite cliche just came to me .. appologies in advance .... you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs ..... <groan> ::)

Nona
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 09, 2008, 01:57:44 pm
Jim....if you want to find the good I'll give you the picture as I see.  This is the good that has come out of this.  Holzwarth's actions have taken the new age propogation of our communities' spirituality to a new height.  As a a result we've taken a real turn from sitting back and allowing it to happen....... There's a tidal wave of energy that's been building up for a long time and it's hitting us all.

If you've ever looked at the history of any people that have been persecuted because of ethnicity or religious belief there's a theory that sums up the results of those persecutions called "collective trauma".  Collective trauma results in all the negative social aspects we see today.  Alcholism, low self-esteem, drug abuse, child neglect, being ok with poverty...those kinds of things.  It's a vicious cycle that continues until they either give up and lose their identity to escape the negative social constructs or turn it around by holding on to the collective ways of healling....namely spirituality.  

A good example of this would be Jewish people.  Persecuted inhumanely at times....they survive and thrive because of their devout faith to their religion.  This turn to faith allows them to heal....the preservation of Judaism against extraordinary odds brought them back from the brink several times.  

The Irish population....after invasion, famines and mass migrations away from their homeland thrive today because of a strong turn in the 1920's to strenghthen their language, customs and local traditions through the promotion of their traditional music and dances.

So the good that comes out of this is read here...a seed of Native people here RECLAIMING the things that will ultimately bring us back.  

But that certainly doesn't excuse Holzwarth.....the fact that she just "doesnt' get it" should be proof to you that you learned nothing from her.  The best con artists are the ones that convince their marks that there's no way it could be them.  You'd never even know you got conned.  Holzwarth's been pulling this off for years.....her actions are proven to be criminal.  You got ripped off yourself....doesn't that breach of your trust burn you a little???  If it doesn't can I sell  you a bridge???  If you're just gonna support lies and fraud why not send it to me....  ;)  I could sell you two bridges a week if you wanted and then you could drive back and forth across the country and stand on the bridges you own and declare to the world that they are yours and everyone must stop their vehicles halfway across and stand on the bridge and bow in honor of you.  You can paint them all the colors of the rainbow and sign your name on them in HUGE letters.

Oh wait....these bridges aren't mine to sell....I almost forgot...well.....I already sold them....maybe if I speak well of the real bridge owners they'll say "ok....it's your bridge"

or maybe......

We could all just leave the bridges alone......we could just be happy they are there and we could appreciate the job they do....we could use them as they are meant to be used rather than painting them neon green and labelling them with new names and creating new functions for them that don't exist......they're there for a purpose and they serve it well.....all the rainbow colored paint in the world isn't gonna improve their function....it's just another mess that's gotta get cleaned up so it can do its job.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 09, 2008, 03:46:06 pm
The Detroit area is the host to many different Native Americans from all walks of life and several different Nations, all live here in peace and harmony.  It is seldom told of the quiet ways in which these people live, but the blatant abuse of their culture needs to be stopped and the Detroit area appears to be an initial ground for this fight.
Rachel Holzwarth, aka MaAnand Suraj, aka Suraj Holzwarth, aka White Eagle Medicine Woman, was forced to relinquish her eagle feathers to Fish and Wildlife Friday, May 2, 2008, during a meeting in Troy, Mi.  The standing room only meeting was held with ~100 Native Americans from several nations in live attendance and an untold number via teleconference from across the continent.  These people were protesting this woman’s use of our religious ceremonies and sacred items. 
The National Director of the American Indian Movement (AIM), Dennis Banks, wishes to make a statement to the people of all cultures and nations regarding this and similar issues.
Our ceremonies and spirituality are the last thing we have; the only things that haven’t been completely taken away.  It is time for us to retake those final descriptions of cultural identity.
All references to our ceremonies and cultural practices are not be performed by any non-native people who are not fully accepted by our communities.
All AIM Support and AIM National Chapters are to be vigilant in their duty to forestall these actions by any person portraying themselves as “shamans??? professing or portraying native American customs.
AIM is in full support of the actions being taken by the Michigan Chapter to stop this woman and make notice to any and all practitioners that AIM is now standing against this cultural theft.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Jim on May 09, 2008, 05:30:58 pm
Delated by Jim
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 09, 2008, 07:25:05 pm

Hello everyone,

Bernard missed his flight. Please contact Bernard if you want your donations sent back. He can keep ours (the moderators of this site (www.myspace.com/istealfromndns) and others who have said for another good cause.





In solidarity,
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 09, 2008, 10:01:09 pm
many people will have heard her, as I did, and she spoke positive of you and your people and although she may have made money, so what, move on,   and she may not be of true Native American origin but she has spread the word, so to speak of your culture, and painfull as it may be to you, proberly more than anyone since Grey Owl, AKA Archibald Belaney, from Scotland. Perhaps you can learn something from this the second time around, ,

Respectfully, Jim, I think you have a misunderstanding about Native American cultures and how they work. It really doesn't matter if a white person thinks it's interesting. It's not up to white people to decide. If the Native American elders are saying what she is doing is wrong, she has to stop. Or, she has to stop pretending it's Native American. Or of any traditional culture, for that matter. She is not helping Native Americans, she is causing harm. May I also suggest that you're statement, "maybe you can learn something" is rather condescending. Native people, especially the elders and tradition-keepers, have already learned quite a lot, thank you. I would suggest you need to listen to them.

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... people are prepared to pay you if you so demand, if it is free so much the better, so teach us, rise like the Phoenix from the ashes, Thunderbird, as you know it, ......take note,...... teach us,.....what are you waiting for, we are listening. Ofcourse your path is not the only path, but you should make sure there are many ushers/guides to show the way to all who seek it.

People have to earn the right to be taught things. People have to prove, over time, that they are trustworthy. What those who are paying attention have seen is that, over and over, white people have taken the teachings that have been shared with them... and abused them. As Rachel is doing. No one has the right to teachings. But if you really want to learn, again, I suggest you listen to what actual Native Americans are saying. I don't get the impression that that is what you are doing.

Edited to Add: PS - I see others have already covered this, and well, and Jim you appear to be taking it in. That's what I get for responding before I've read the entire thread.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Jim on May 09, 2008, 10:32:23 pm
Hi Kathryn, I have delated the offending words, and  if I could retract them I would. Once again I appologise to all.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 10, 2008, 11:53:27 am
Jim:
We understand, you have been learning and this is how in truth we will all find peace, by speaking openly and honestly and listening with an open mind, not by paying someone to play a drum and denegrate anything or anyone.
Anyhow, I came here this morning to relate the events of last night.

We went to see what this woman whose eagle feathers were taken by Fish and wildlife was doing. We had purchased tickets so we could go in. While waiting for some friends to arrive, before we went in the police were called. We were speaking with the local police when the state police arrived. The state police went and spoke to the sponsors of this woman who had given her word NOT to do anything Native when in this area. The sponsors told the State police we had no right to be on the road. This is not what was said last week. The police told them we had tickets to go their “show???.
Leaving some of our friends outside, we went in after everything got started, and stood quietly in the back of the dome, since there were no chairs available, as they were all stacked on the opposite side of the room. Rachel Hozwarth was speaking as we quietly entered trying to avoid disrupting this event since we were there only to observe. Before the six of us could get in and close the door Rachel turned the remainder of the night over to Samantha Elliot. I will not say we were not invited to sit, as at some point during Samantha’s monlogue one of the hosts came across to ask if we would like to have chairs, not wanting to disturb the rest of the audience we declined. Two other women entered considerably later.
Samantha spoke at length appearing to often forget what she wanted to say, filling the gaps with “Um??? and “Ahh??? I am sorry, but I notice these things since I posess a degree in Adult Education. I also noticed she appeared to have problems understanding the difference between the sciences, during her discussion of molecular excitement saying this was biology at one point and chemistry at another before finishing with physics, among other equally distinct errors in her monologue. This woman received a Bachelors degree in Alaska which makes we wonder if the term “College Illiterate??? applies. The PROOF of this comes from the website of Rachel Holzwarth where Samantha Elliot has her autobiography described. So here I must wonder what is a lie and what is just do to nervousness.
Samantha spoke at length often appearing to forget what she was saying, possibly this is my perception due to the distraction caused by the continually repeated “UM??? and “AHH???. She spoke of the Traditional Mayan Fire Ceremony she was performing that night (I thought Mayans were also North American Indians), explaining she learned it nine months ago and this would be her fourth Mayan Fire Ceremony and she would be reading the steps to speak to the spirits during the ceremony. I was shocked since I didn’t think the Mayans had such a short term apprenticeship for their sacred rites, nor did I realize they traditionally wrote down what they were teaching them, but maybe because they allow their apprentices to “teach??? these dangerous ceremonies in such a short time frame this is how it is done. I in all honesty do not believe this is the way of the Mayans and will speak Monday with a Mayan gentleman where I work.
At the close of the discussion we were announced by Rachel and Samantha to the audience. Rachel specifically told the audience the local Native American people were here and there was tension and she would speak with us later. (She only introduced herself and did not take any time to speak to us).  One of our members had picked up a song book noticing specific mention of several native ceremonies. Samantha said she saw us looking in the song book and we were welcome to take them. It should also be noted there were several drums, jewelery, CDs and crafts available for sale on the tables with the books.
The 43 women and 12 men in the audience including us (two women and four men) proceeded outside. Most people came and shook our hands and welcomed us, Rachel came and recognizing one of our members as a leader from the meeting last week, came and introduced herself to him. Most of the audience proceeded down to the fire however several had questions so we stayed and spoke at length to them openly and honestly before proceeding down ourselves.
When we arrived Samantha was reading some of the steps from her book. They passed around a bowl of Hersheys kisses to offer the fire. I somehow found this a very odd offering since chocolate as we know it is processed and not of a natural state, so because of my own beliefs I chose not to offer any choclate to the fire. The gathering went on, however I personally left, feeing sickened at all that I had seen.
Returning to the warmth and friendship of companions left standing vigil at the entrance to the property, I was asked if I knew who was swearing saying "Who do they think they are?  They don't f---ing belong here".  I was also told of a truck which drove by turned around and waited at the top of the hill. A golf cart from the sponsor's land drove through the trees to the property next door, flashed its lights twice and the truck then started up and drove past my friends again. This suspicious behavior seemed strangely out of place.
As the night wore on, we heard our spiritual leader, who came with us singing. I recognized his distinctive voice above the trees, echoing out over the land, this is a voice I know from having been in his sweat lodge, bringing peace to my spirit.
Shortly after this the remainder of our group returned to us gathering at the entrance, we smudged ourselves and left.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 10, 2008, 12:40:25 pm
I think it's most likely she went to one of the pay to pray version of the Mayan Fire Ceremony widely available for tourists.
http://www.ixcanaan.com/ActivationMaya/schedule.html
http://www.ixcanaan.com/ActivationMaya/questions.html
Cost $777 plus accomodations start at $450 and up.

Apparently you don't even need to go to Mexico. There are people doing the ceremony in Europe.
http://www.crystalskullevents.org/Festival_Photos1.html

And in that other great center of Mayan culture, Colorado.
http://www.doublerainbowranch.com/5.html

Sometimes people will pay $1500 per group or 50 per person just for looking at video of the ceremony.
http://earthchangesmedia.com/tour.php

I don't want to sidetrack the thread too much, but why was Bernard detained? There have been many activists who are not allowed to fly, and I hope this didn't happen to him.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 10, 2008, 05:04:38 pm
Hi Al,

Bernard has told different people different stories about why he missed his flight we dont know what really happened
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 12, 2008, 02:42:37 am
It looks like Holzwarth couldn't keep her word for even one week. 
Does she think it's okay if Samantha Elliot performs the ceremony? No one will be upset as long as she isn't doing it? Or doesn't she realize the Mayan people are Native American? Edward Jones didn't seem as warm and friendly as he was last week either.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 12, 2008, 02:59:41 am
Is she wearing regalia again or her other costume?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 12, 2008, 03:22:33 am
Is she wearing regalia again or her other costume?

Half-Wolf didn't say what Holzwarth and Elliot were wearing Friday night. Didn't mention the Grandmother Drum either. I'm hoping Holzwarth at least kept that part of her promise. It bothers me that Elliot performed a Mayan Fire Ceremony; the part about the Hershey Kisses was more than a little weird. Edward Jones, who tried to appear so sympathetic and understanding on video last week, sure did a turn-around; calling the police and then telling them that Half-Wolf and the others didn't have a right to be there. Guess his true nature came out when he wasn't being recorded. Can't trust any of them.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 12, 2008, 03:27:08 am
I am sure it hurting their business, and that's all they are worried about anyway. Not suprised.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 12, 2008, 08:53:57 am
There will be pictures of what went on coming out.  We had two photographer/vidoegraphers with us on Friday.  One who stayed up on the road and one who came down and came in to the "show".  They also took pictures of us, so we told them they could NOT use those pictures in ANY of her promotional media.  We told her we would REFUSe to sign any releases permitting such unlawful and false claims.  If anyone sees or hears of such instances please let us know, we do have lawyers avalable who have aleready won supreme court cases and set precedence there.
Rachel and her cronies were not wearing Native style costumes, (I refuse to call it regalia when it is dishonored in the way she uses it).  She was wearing the same outfit as in the video from May 2nd and 3rd.  Samantha was wearing some New Aging thing.
I think they thought they could get us off their behind by doing something from a differernt area, but we must all stand together and let them know the original inhabitants of this entire continent wil not let them abuse any of our saccred items, ceremonies or ways.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 12, 2008, 01:02:40 pm
The woman is unbelievable...any way to make a buck.

How many were there? Does she seem to be losing followers? And is she making any excuses for the drum not being present etc?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 12, 2008, 03:12:50 pm
Tsisqua:
"The 43 women and 12 men in the audience including us (two women and four men) proceeded outside. Most people came and shook our hands and welcomed us, Rachel came and recognizing one of our members as a leader from the meeting last week, came and introduced herself to him. Most of the audience proceeded down to the fire however several had questions so we stayed and spoke at length to them openly and honestly before proceeding down ourselves."
She had told them she would not be playing the drum because of our agreement, exactly how it was worded I do not know.  One of the audience did mention to us they were disappointed the drum was  not allowed to be played.
"At the close of the discussion we were announced by Rachel and Samantha to the audience. Rachel specifically told the audience the local Native American people were here and there was tension and she would speak with us later. (She only introduced herself and did not take any time to speak to us).  One of our members had picked up a song book noticing specific mention of several native ceremonies. Samantha said she saw us looking in the song book and we were welcome to take them. It should also be noted there were several drums, jewelery, CDs and crafts available for sale on the tables with the books."
I would note that the tension was on the part of the audience, Rachel and her cronies, not of our doing, we came in a good way with peace.

Having reviewed the song book at length, I think it time to note some of the songs from the book which may be of interest to the people who read these posts.  She says some songs included in the book are ones she and her friends wrote, They are specifically marked in the book and are included in a second list.  Since I do not know the authenticity of these songs for certain, I am not the one to judge.  If someone specifically wants to know what is contained in an individual song pelease send a message so we can discuss it.
Opening Song
Spirit Calling Song  (credit given to Nanaimo BC)
Navajo Prayer Song
Hawaiian Prayer Song (credit given to a Cherokee Woman)
Navajo Women's Sheep Herding Song (credit given to David Holloday)
Friendship Song (credit given is obscure, during a Winter Solstice Ceremony 2004)
Cherokee Morning Song
Chumash Song
Ute Children's Song
Arapaho Ghost Dance Song May We All Fly Like Eagles
Eagle Song Arapahoe Ghost Dance
Mother Earth and Father Sky (credit given to Native and Non Natives)
The Dream Is Waking (credit given to Holly Randall Gautemala 2007)
Beauty Song (credit given Rumi poem gifted by Everly in San Francisco 2007)
Sacred Corn Song (credit given to Stella Jane Hunnicut in Ashland Oregon May 2007 ftom Coyote Feather Dancer Grandmother)
Ancient Mother (credit given to traditonal african song with verses added by Brooke Medicine Eagle)
Sacred Peyote Song of the Native American Church (NO credit given to use this song!)
My Roots Go Down
The Healing Water Song (Credit given to Grandmother Catherine (First Nations Elder, no Nation mentioned) 150 year old song song by 13 grandmothers)
Song of the Mari Anna  (credit given 2007 no name mentioned)
The River She Is Flowing
Tongo (credit given Polynesian)
Neesa (credit given traditional Seneca)
Ana Ha A Cote Ye (credit given Australia 2003, dedicated to Amrahla North, whose ashes are in the drum)
Gratitude Song (credit given to Shanti Ramana Uluru Australia 1994 from a Tibetan woman)
Gratitude Circle Song (credit given to White ... Woman Elks Lake Palmer Alaska, June 2001)
We Are Opening
Cho Maya Cho La (credit given to Larry Merculieff (her husband or exhusband I  beleive, I know I saw the name related to her on a website before) a Traditional Alaskan Aluet Song)
Rabbit Dance Song (credit given Traditional Seneca Song)
Crab Song (credit given to Digeridoo player Stephen Kent, San Francisco 2007, Australina Aboriginal children's song)
The Way Home  (credit given to Amrahla North who died on her tour in July 2003)
Yemaya, Yahweh (credit given by spirit to White ... Woman and her current protege')
I Am A Circle
Dreamland
It should be noted that she does give credit to some of these songs, but not all.  She also gives credit to some but has them marked as being written by her, so I am not truly certain as to which is what.  I will note that the Peyote Song of the NAC is not shown as credited to anyone and makes me wonder if the DEA would be interested when she sings that song without the spiritual authorization to it.  Here  is a list of the ones she says she wrote.
Honoring Our Ancestors
Denali Wind Song
Weaving Our Ancestors Voices (from a dream of a Navajo Grandmother)
Welcoming The Sun Morning Song
Gathering Our Medicine(from a dream of 3 Mayan Grandmothers 2000)
Traveling Bear Song Two River Reservation (gifted by Paiute Elder, Golden Eagle, Sept. 2005)
Awakening Our Power
Receiving Our Visions Vision Quest Song (confusing dedication sounds like it was already in existense but is not credited June 2001)
The Earth Pledge (Sept. 11, 2001)
Rain Dance (1999)
Traveling Song (Dream of the Seneca forced removal?)
Euman Da (Love Song)
Igniting A Heart Revolution (with Jenn Starr 2005 honoring Grandmother Ana Maya from her dreams)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 12, 2008, 04:27:22 pm
Thank you Half Wolf....My apologies...I've read that already and it clearly didnt register with me...but thank you for repeating it....I think I need more coffee  ::)

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 12, 2008, 05:11:41 pm
The connection between Rachel Holzwarth and Larry Merculieff is Osho. He may have been married to her at one time, may still be, but I haven't heard that.

OSHO WORLD  http://www.oshoworld.com/
 
Osho Information Center
Ma Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth)
Sw Anand Shantam (Larry Mercutieff)
PO Box 773556
Eagle River 99577
AL
Tel.: +1-907-688-2226
Fax: +1-907-688-2285
E-Mail:akwow@alaska.net

Merculieff's name is misspelled on that site.


Larry Merculieff, Kuuyux, is a Messenger for the Aleut Nation, a spiritual leader. I find his involvement with Holzwarth and Osho unsettling, to say the least. Does anyone else see the conflict here? New Age Mysticism in one hand and Native American Spirituality in the other.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 12, 2008, 05:28:49 pm
When I say husband it is in reference legal and common law.  There was a discussion with pictures of them all together in their home in Alaska.  And yes I have a problem with a "traditional spiritual leader" mixing it up with East Inidian New Age stuff, and that is not to mention a Strega Wiccan Priestess.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 12, 2008, 06:05:17 pm
Seems the more we uncover, the worse it gets.

I read something last night about Holzwarth and she was quoting Carlos Castaneda. She compared herself to Jody Foster's character in Contact and Richard Dreyfus in Close Encounters in the same interview. The woman is strange, that's for sure; but I think she's motivated more by money than the voices in her head. She's going to say whatever she thinks her audience wants to hear.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 12, 2008, 06:16:23 pm
I read that blurb too, I thought "What the heck is this crap about Contact?????   Seems like she is in that grop that killed themselves because they were supposed to be taken away in the spaceship.  Is she trying to start her own cult?"  I even wrote it down because I was going to draw attention to it on this forum. then my computer crashed. GRRR!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 12, 2008, 07:11:17 pm
Wow. The song list is a real salad bar of out-of-context and misinterpreted stuff. I recognize some of the songs from when I went to Neopagan events. I think she has mis-credited a lot of these, or not credited them. The lyrics to some of these are here: http://www.culturemagic.org/PDF/c6Chants05.pdf

But that page also has a lot of it wrong. Like "We all come from the Goddess" is credited to Z. Budapest, but it's just her adaptation of a Christian song, "We all come from God."  (To be fair, I think Z. tells people she wrote it. *shrugs*)  I think Rachel/WEW is doing the same thing as all the other Nuagers - not really looking into where these things come from.  Or, just not caring.  Actually, I'd say it's both. The people who put together that page are Nuagers and Wiccans. One of them is a young white woman who lives out near me, selling ceremonies from lots of different cultures, another is part of that "Witch School" in Hoopeston, IL.

Arapaho Ghost Dance Song May We All Fly Like Eagles
Eagle Song Arapahoe Ghost Dance

If this is the one I think it is, hippies and Nuagers have been using it since at least the late seventies, probably earlier. I have no idea if it's really Arapaho, or if that's just what the white people think it is.

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Ancient Mother (credit given to traditonal african song with verses added by Brooke Medicine Eagle)

This page linked above credits it to Starhawk. I thought a woman I used to play music with, named Alaina, wrote it...

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Yemaya, Yahweh (credit given by spirit to White ... Woman and her current protege')

OK, I find this really offensive. Yemaya is the West African (Yoruba) goddess of the Ocean. She has nothing to do with the Christian/Middle Eastern god Yahweh. (ETA - looks like that's the chant they're doing here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=l6_Uw2w1d3E )

Geez... It's all back to the "if it makes me feel spirchul and special, it doesn't matter what the words mean, or who wrote them." Or what ceremonies they are used for traditionally, and what the standards are for those ceremonies. She's just picked up whatever wasn't nailed down and run with it.  Or she got a crowbar and pried it out of it's context (to mix metaphors) and stole it when no one was looking.  *feels sick*
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 12, 2008, 07:41:30 pm
Kathryn:
The Ghost Dance Songs are 2 different songs, and the WHOLE thing is making me sick.  We had a "Road Man" for the NAC with us and he was DEFINITELY not happy with the Peyote Song being in there.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 12, 2008, 08:04:30 pm
Please check this out...

http://www.sut-gatheringofeagles.org/goe_info.php

Rachel Holzwarth has formed a new organization called Gathering of Eagles and they are scheduled to do their fake thing near the Butte in June.

We've just been informed of this by Marcie Lane

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http://www.sut-gatheringofeagles.org/goe_info.php
 
Heads up everyone ,Tamra just called on her way to Free Spirit Camp Grounds  next to Rosebud Lodge to try and stop the upcoming scheduled  White "Ego" Woman and her group of fakes from putting on their show near Bear Butte soon. I know someone in our group has been doing all they can to stop her but I can't find the emails as to who has been working on this. Who ever it is please lend a hand on this one. Rachel Holzwarth has formed a new organization called Gathering of Eagles and they are scheduled to do their fake thing near the Butte in June. The camp ground called Tamra to ask if she knew who these people were and she is on her way to try and see if she can stop it but she will need everyone's help who has had anything to do with stopping Rachel's  shows in Michigan.
Thanks,
 
Marcie Lane
Committee Member
Protect Sacred Sites " Indigenous People,One Nation"
www.protectsacredsites.org
863-425-5478
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 12, 2008, 08:09:32 pm
She shouldn't be allowed within 100 miles of the Butte. And even that may be too close.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 12, 2008, 08:23:11 pm
Frederica...I totally agree...Cant seem to find much on this new org though...but Im spreading the word.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 12, 2008, 08:27:09 pm
I'll  check but it may be a totally new brain child of hers. How did she get herself invited?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wanbli on May 12, 2008, 08:36:34 pm

From Tamra:

ok, I just got back from the campground and talking with these people. It looks like they are NOT connected to Rachel White Eagle Woman Hozwarth, Whirling Rainbow Woman, whatever other names she has. This group has had this Gathering of Eagles; The Spiritual Unity of Tribes event, for 20 years or so, all over the world. They were recently contacted by White Eagle Woman, she wanted to work with them on their events, including this one. The people in charge told her that everyone was welcome to attend any of their events, they were open to the public. If she wanted to come, she could, however it would be as a individual, not as apart of their committee or gathering.<br style="display:none"/><br /> <br /> <br />I made them aware of the movement to shut her and everything she was doing down. They knew nothing about it. I told them that White Eagle Woman, has made it appear that she is part of this Gathering of Eagles; Unity of Tribes, putting on this event at Bear Butte.<br style="display:none"/><br /> They were surprised, they knew nothing about that either, they stated they have never even met her! <br /> <br />It appears these folks are working with a Lakota spiritual leader, he is apart of their committee for Gathering of Eagles. For now, I am not going to publish this person's name yet.<br style="display:none"/><br />   <br /> <br />OK, with that said, that they are not involved with her........there is still a issue at hand. These people are non Indians and this event really should not take place here.<br style="display:none"/><br /> <br /> <br />I am in the process of making calls right now to get some local people involved. From what I have been told so far, these people are very well known for their new age events.<br style="display:none"/><br /> <br /> <br />I will get back to you all ASAP.<br style="display:none"/><br /> <br /> <br />In peace & solidarity, <br />Tamra
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 12, 2008, 08:43:49 pm
Well Im glad she isnt anything to do with these guys...but dang...they're popping up all over the place eh? These people need looking into....they should not be permitted to 'perform' at or near Bear Butte.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 12, 2008, 10:08:56 pm
the WHOLE thing is making me sick.  We had a "Road Man" for the NAC with us and he was DEFINITELY not happy with the Peyote Song being in there.

Yeah. It's the whole thing. She has no right to the traditional songs.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 12, 2008, 10:49:42 pm
The Spiritual Unity of Tribes has been holding these gatherings since 1989. The first one was in Saskatchewan, Canada. When held in the Black Hills, they're called Gathering of Eagles; first one was in 1992 and they've been held there more than any other place. Everyone attending is encouraged to share a story, song, prayer, teaching, etc.

http://sut-gatheringofeagles.org/index.php


There's no mention of Rachel Holzwarth, the Grandmother Drum, or the Whirling Rainbow Foundation on their website. She would have probably made a major production out of her sharing.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 12, 2008, 11:48:53 pm
I guessing that is how she managed to get herself invited. I knew it had been around awhile.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 13, 2008, 12:33:56 am
Half-Wolf i just got home and will try to get a video up soon! But wouldn't you know  that i got sick this weekend!
I don't know if it was her or just a bug, but makes you thing!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on May 13, 2008, 02:38:07 am
just a quick scan of the songs found

cherokee morning song
copyright 1994 satisfied music
done by Rita Coolidge and daughter Casey Coolidge
sister Prisclla and niece Laura

arranged by Rita Coolidge and Robbie Robertson
album the red road ensemble

proves plagersisim
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 13, 2008, 08:12:51 am
I will listen to Robbie's Red Road and if it is the same song then Robbie Robertson should be the one to take this on.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 13, 2008, 12:55:37 pm
Quote
just a quick scan of the songs found

cherokee morning song
copyright 1994 satisfied music
done by Rita Coolidge and daughter Casey Coolidge
sister Prisclla and niece Laura

arranged by Rita Coolidge and Robbie Robertson
album the red road ensemble

proves plagersisim

I'll contact Rita and see what she thinks about this...Walela are from my own nation and I know she's been following this case.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Ojidanowe on May 13, 2008, 10:42:05 pm
Maybe a weird place to introduce myself but, this is the first thread that caught my eye. I have a friend who lives in Palmer, AK and she sent me a link to this jerk's site a long time ago. I guess I thought she kinda faded but looks like she's alive and "well" and continuing to insult, rip off and offend ndns everywhere.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 14, 2008, 12:57:40 am
The songs included on her CDs (not necessarily in her book, which I haven't had a chance to compare to Robbie's album) are:

Journey of the Heart Album:

Becoming the Heartbeat
Journey of the Heart Activation
Inner Silence
Rebirth - The River of Life
The Traveling Song

Songlines of the Soul

Honoring Our Ancestors
Welcoming the Sun
Gathering Our Medicine
Receiving Our Vision
Awakening Our Power
Traveling Bear Song
Rain Dance
Denali Wind
Traveling Song
Ana Ha A Cote Ye'
Eumanda
Weaving Our Ancestor's Voices
The Earth Pledge

It is strange that there are so few of her songs from her albums in her book.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 14, 2008, 02:31:57 am
there should be two videos up on youtube now
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 14, 2008, 04:00:16 am
Good videos, mtig. Thanks for everything y'all have done.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 14, 2008, 02:53:35 pm
just a quick scan of the songs found

cherokee morning song
copyright 1994 satisfied music
done by Rita Coolidge and daughter Casey Coolidge
sister Prisclla and niece Laura

arranged by Rita Coolidge and Robbie Robertson
album the red road ensemble

proves plagersisim


I think technically that'd be copyright infringement if she didn't get permission in advance and pay the proper royalties. Not just Robertson and Coolidge are being wronged. So is Capital Records who put out the original CD, and they are part of a huge corporate empire. She could face legal action from all three.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 14, 2008, 02:58:18 pm
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I think technically that'd be copyright infringement if she didn't get permission in advance and pay the proper royalties. Not just Robertson and Coolidge are being wronged. So is Capital Records who put out the original CD, and they are part of a huge corporate empire. She could face legal action from all three.

Capital Records
Address:  1750 N. Vine St.
Los Angeles, CA 90028-5209 
Phone: 323-462-6252
Fax: 323-467-5267

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 15, 2008, 12:06:49 am
Is there any place before June 17, 2008- West Yellowstone, Montana?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 15, 2008, 12:27:47 am
Here is her original schedule, knowing that no one associated with her was admitting she was still in Michigan on the 9th people may want to check it out for a weekend drive if they are in the neighborhoods, keep in mind Yellowstone says she is not coming.

May 23, 2008- Fort Worth, Texas
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

May 24-25, 2008 - Dallas, Ft. Worth, TX
Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

June 6-8, 2008- Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Red Earth Festival- tentative

June 12-15, 2008 – Black Hills, South Dakota
Community Healing Ceremonies

June 17, 2008- West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

July 4-6, 2008-Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
Medicine Wheel Portal Ceremonial Weekend

BACK HOME IN ALASKA!
August 9, 2008- Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008- Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 15, 2008, 12:43:49 am
I hope we made her stay in michigan rememberable! now if other natives made her stay as rememberable as we did!

 Just Elaina posted this on myspace on May 7 2008 8:28 AM

got this in my email just now...

To Whom It May Concern:

As of this day May 6, 2008, White Eagle Medicine Woman is no longer participating in the Global Eden Event: The Gathering of One. We were completely unaware of the controversy and issues around her. We were told by her and others that she would be able to bridge the cultures and assist us with different cultures coming together. It was never our intention to do something quit the contrary to our event and its mission.

We, at the Global Eden Event, are about bridging cultures through education to assist the world in coming together in peace and harmony. We do have others from different cultures coming together to educate us on their cultures at this event. However, this is not a Native American event and we will not be doing or performing any ceremonies. The Dance of Oneness we have been doing for the last 3 years without any Native American influence. It is a circle dance to assist us in our oneness. We were instructed by the angels this year to have the First People teach us the philosophy of dance because they dance with their whole body and spirit.

Please except our apologies for our ignorance. We wish you all the best.

Joe & Robbie Crane
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 15, 2008, 01:11:55 am
I don't think she can get into Red Earth. In the past it has required either Federal or State Enrollment. I'll check to be sure it hasn't been waived. But they are not know for doing that. Be proud of a job well done.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 15, 2008, 10:55:03 am
"All rights of the producer and of the owner of the work reproduced,reserved.Unauthorised copying,hiring,renting,public performance and broadcasting of this record,prohibitted.
BIEM/MCPS
Made in the UK Lco148 p&c1994 Capital Records inc 7 243 8 28295 22.
Cherokee Morning Song,"arranged by" Rita Coolidge and Robbie Robertson,copyright,"Satisfied Music,administered by Lew-Bob songs/Medicine Hat Music corp (BMI/Ascap)
 
Ghost Dance
Written by Jim Wilson and Robbie Robertson
Copyright 1994,Blue Northern Publishing,Medicine Hat Music Corp ( BMI/ASCAP)
Produced and distributed by Capitol Records Inc,parent company EMI.
http://www.capitolrecords.com   www.emirecords.co.uk
Plus WB Music corp now owned by AOL Time Warner had a hand in distribution of "The Red Road "
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 15, 2008, 12:15:50 pm
It is not Robbie's Ghost Dance, however it is Robbie's Cherokee Morning Song.  Perhaps if many people contact him and/or Capital Records, and/or Walela they will do something about it.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 15, 2008, 01:22:50 pm
If you want to stop her and make others seriously think before they steal someone elses work,then thats the way to go first.Contact Capitol with the relevant links.ask them if they have authosied the usage of that track by this woman.....and wait...If she has not then they will not only go after copyright but royalties also
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 15, 2008, 08:34:01 pm
Just noticed an update on her schedule.  Don't know how truthful it is considering it has no details, but it looks like she's made it out of the country (or at least wants us all to think that and hopes the smoke will clear in a month and we all forget about her.)


----------------------------------------
May 9, 2008 Oxford Michigan

Global Heart Fire Ceremony

May 12th - June 15, 2008- Israel and Egypt

June 17, 2008- West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

------------------------------------------------

Funny how it just says Israel and Egypt.  She used to have a Tel Aviv date in there, but that was removed and now it looks like re-entered. 

I kind of have a hard time believing she's really out of the country.  You'd think if anything, with her recent fine for illegally importing eagle feathers, that they'd give her bags and equipment a serious once over.....tough call though. 

I find it downright amusing that she still keeps dates on her schedule that were previously cancelled and the upcoming dates where her contracts were cancelled.

Can she be honest about anything????

Somebody should probably call Fish and Wildlife and let them know she's supposedly skipped out of the country.  Especially when she' also currently under suspicion (from my end fact...but their end suspicion) of SELLING eagle feathers as well.

What was her contact in Tel Aviv again???  I'll do a little diggin' if someone can remind me of it.....see if i can find out anything from over there.


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 15, 2008, 08:39:31 pm
Well...her film is listed as part of a film festival in Tel Aviv....

here's the link

http://www.spiritfestivals.co.il/agallery%20presentation/c9848/105038.php

One of the most interesting things....her name has changed.....

The film is attributed to Soruj Olzwarth
http://isragirl.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/spiritual-film-festival-at-tel-aviv-cinemateque-this-week/

Here's another page from the spirit festival itself....this time the film is directed by Suraj Woolworth...lol...

http://www.telavivspirits.com/English2007NEWS.html

Tricky....but still easy to find.  Nice try Rachel.

I've been heating up my e-mail to let the organizers of this event know all about her....she's also submitted her film for film awards....

http://www.accoladecompetition.org/TV/Dist.aspx

Gotta keep up the pressure on her.....just her consideration in legitimate film festivals and awards is something she'd use for PR to keep fooling people into thinking she's legit.

I've also tried to contact the editor of the film itself through a forum page where he posted at....so far no response

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message432531/pg1
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 15, 2008, 09:11:45 pm
The songs in her book could be look at as Intellectual property
(IP) is a legal field that refers to creations of the mind such as musical, literary, and artistic works; inventions; and symbols, names, images, and designs used in commerce, including copyrights, trademarks, patents, and related rights. Under intellectual property law, the holder of one of these abstract "properties" has certain exclusive rights to the creative work, commercial symbol, or invention which is covered by it.
The songs could be look at as Intellectual property of the nations the songs come from. Like the First Nations Water songs that she had in the book would be IP of the First Nations and would be copyrighted by them.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 15, 2008, 10:31:33 pm
Isn't it strange that her list of events says,


"May 9, 2008 Oxford Michigan

Global Heart Fire Ceremony

May 12th - June 15, 2008- Israel and Egypt

June 17, 2008- West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event"

None of which were on the calendar?  I don't think she can keep her lies straight.



but her calendar says

"Healing Waters Ceremony with GrandMother Drum
WhenMay 25, 2008WhereDallas/ Fort Worth, Texas (map)DescriptionHealing Waters Ceremony with GrandMother Drum > > Location: TBA Host Sponsors: Donna Reis 817-788-9451 > donna@colorvibration.com and O! Suzanna - Suzanna Brown 214-906-7528 > suzanna@osuzanna.com more details»  Add to Calendar»"

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 16, 2008, 04:08:00 am
Current Schedule (as of 4/11/08):
May 11, 2008 - Bowling Green, Ohio
Mother Day Healing Waters Ceremony

May 13-17, 2008 - Spirit Film Festival
Tel Aviv, Israel
GrandMother Drum Film Premiere

June 6-9, 2008 - Lev Tahor Sacred Music Festival
Tel Aviv, Israel
Sound Healing and the Power of the Drum

June 17, 2008 - West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

June 26-29, 2008 Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering
Bear Butte Lodge, South Dakota

July 4-6, 2008 - Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada
Medicine Wheel Portal Ceremonial Weekend

BACK HOME IN ALASKA!
August 9, 2008 - Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008 - Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.


Dallas/Ft Worth and Oklahoma have been off her schedule since April 11th. They probably just forgot to take the event for May 25th off the calendar.

The May 11th event in Ohio was definitely cancelled by April 14th, but I think it stayed on her schedule for a while after that. Gone now.

The May and June dates for Tel Aviv were removed from her schedule on April 20th. I'd wondered at the time if she was worried about getting her eagle feathers out of the country and back in again. As of today Israel and Egypt have been put back on the schedule for that approximate time.

There'd been a big gaping hole in her schedule between Michigan and Yellowstone. Had wondered what she'd do with all that free time.

Her invitation to The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event was rescinded on May 6th. It's still on her schedule though.

Bear Butte, June 26 - 29, is not on her schedule as of today. Wonder if that's a mistake or if they've told her not to come.

Vancouver Island, British Columbia was cancelled April 21st, but not removed from the schedule until recently.

Wonder if she really is in Israel and/or Egypt for the next month.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 16, 2008, 03:57:28 pm
Hello all - wasnt sure where to put this.. but to me this says Fraud Woman will still be attending..... here is his words.... if they shut down our site we will gather somewhere else....

An Open Letter to the “We Steal From Ndns??? Group:

As an Elder among the Circle of Sevens, I have listened patiently to your many words, as I would listen while sitting with Elders. My life’s work is about calling the world into a place of peace, such as I am doing with The Gathering of One at Yellowstone. With this in mind, I wish to challenge all of you here. I believe it is my time to claim the talking stick and ask all of you to listen. I have dedicated my life to bringing harmony and peace to all peoples. My own ancestors are Native American who walked the Trail of Tears. As a best-selling author, I have asked people to enter into healing as we work together in making this world a better place. It is my way to respect all peoples. And it is out of respect that I offer you the following three challenges.

The First Challenge
Have you sat and talked with your Elders?

I want you folks here to know that I have taken time and effort to speak with Elders of the Shoshone, the Hopi, the Navajo, the Mayans of Guatemala, the Aztec of Mexico, the Quechua of Peru, the Shuar of Ecuador, the Dagara of Africa, the Wiwa, Kogi, Kankuamos, and Arhuago of Colombia. I have also sat across the table with the leader of the World Council of Elders who has given his blessing on The Gathering of One. And in each and every case, I want all of you to know that I have never heard from any one of these Elders the words I see on your Web page. From the Elders, I hear the stories of how the people were once one. On your Web page, all I read is how we are separate. From the Elders, I have received permission to do our Western ceremony on land that was once Indian. On your Web page all I read is how you wish to disrupt this ceremony when I have gone to such lengths to be respectful towards yours. So I ask you, what is it that you would choose? To walk with peace or to walk with war in your heart?

I challenge you to sit with your Elders as I have. Ask your Elders to tell you the stories they have told me: How the people were all one, long ago.

The Second Challenge
Have you spoken truth and walked with Integrity?

Many of you have gone to great lengths to challenge the integrity of Ms. Holzwarth, who has called herself “White Eagle Medicine Woman.??? And I now ask you to apply the same standards to yourselves. Some of you have illegally copied my words and text from my websites without my permission. Is this integrity? Is this truth? If I walked into your sacred place and stole your eagle feathers that speak to the spirits, would you put up with it? If I walked into your dance and stole the drum that speaks to the earth, would you put up with it? No, you would not, and you have not. Then why do you steal my words from my sacred place of speaking, and misuse them? Is this truth? Is this integrity?

These words of mine were all copyrighted. And worse, you selectively pulled out of context and added your own words of judgment. None of you asked my permission to copy or use my words, even though I make my living by my words. My attorney has notified My Space of this transgression. Not one of you has tried to sit with me to learn who I am and what I stand for. You simply have judged me and my words of peace that you have tried to make false. Is this integrity? Is this truth?

You tell me; what kind of person applies standards of righteousness to another and not to him or herself? I challenge you to remove from your Web page what you have stolen. I challenge you for an apology for the character assassination that was sent in the mails to others without one single person bothering to talk to me first. Is this integrity? Is this truth?

The Third Challenge
What are you really about? Decide.

The Gathering of One is all about bringing the world into oneness. Peoples from all over the world are coming. A few of them will be Indians. You are making efforts to cause a disruption. Why? Are you against peace? Are you against oneness? Are you against the prophecies of many nations, including indigenous nations, that speak of a Golden Age of Peace, that speak of the peoples coming together, that speak of the coming of the 5th world? In the messages I have sent out to the world, I have used inclusive language that speaks to the many nations, and not to any one. Are you telling me that your way is the only way?

You say you want to teach me and others a lesson. I have sat with your Elders, yet you have not sat with me or mine. Your Elders have shown me respect, as I have them. If you want to teach me or anyone else a lesson, I challenge you to learn the lessons of respect, truth, and integrity as spoken to me by your own Elders.

Rather than come to The Gathering of One to cause disharmony and discord, I challenge you to sit at table with us, to tell us the stories of your peoples when the people were one. I challenge you to open your hearts to this story your Elders have told me, and to walk the words that you use to greet one another: “To all my relations.??? For we are all related, are we not. I challenge you to choose peace, to walk in love, and to show respect as I have shown it to you.

Let us walk in beauty,
GW Hardin


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 16, 2008, 04:19:35 pm
Hardin shows up sayin' "sit down and listen" and then throws a threat around about illegally copying his works.  Which is wrong.  It's posted on a public domain.  All of the words are attributed to him so there's no stealing goin on there.  Thanks for the threat though.  And also thanks for attempting to throw forward a resume to convince people your somehow worth listening to.  You haven't sat and talked with my elders Hardin.  They hate seeing people being charged huge sums of money for "peace and healing" just as much as I do.

I think what he fails to understand is that even though he's sat across the table and had a few conversations with some Native elders....we live with our elders in our lives EVERY DAY....not just once in a while.

He wants to put up challenges...then respond to why people are up in arms in the first place....QUIT CHARGING PEOPLE TO PRAY WITH YOU AND QUIT SUPPORTING FRAUDULENT SHAMANS WHO DO THE SAME!!

If that happens....then we're all wrong....and for myself the apology would be real and heartfelt. 

Until then Hardin......you're just another Commercial Spiritualist.  (Can I copyright and trademark that term????    aye....j/k)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 16, 2008, 04:37:14 pm
It's little wonder GW Hardin defends Holzwarth, and then says, essentially "I'm more spirchul at being Indian than you dumb Indians. Let ME tell YOU the truth about your own traditions."

Hardin's an outright fraud we've talked about before.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1581.0

Hardin makes his living sellling "healing" workshops. At least one those workshops (the last one) makes him an exploiter of NDNs himself.

BTW, Hardin...

Do you really think a Nuage website of a spiritual exploiter deliberately put on display on the internet is anywhere close to anything like the cultural property of elders who make every effort to keep their knowledge from being taken and misused?

Hardin is no elder by any stretch of the imagination. I'd also bet many of the people he spoke to were not either. Shoshone? Was that Benny Lebeau? Aztec? They call themselves Nahuatl, and are mostly devout Catholics. Mayans? They have over two dozen language groups alone, thousands of villages. Same even more so with the Quechua, and both people have to deal with many mestizos who pass themselves off as elders to white tourists.

You can't help but notice that Hardin doesn't name a single actual elder, and repeats some of the typical modern falsehoods about two spirits.

--------------------
http://www.gwhardin.com/workshops_lectures.htm
 G.W. Hardin, New York Times bestselling author, will teach participants how they can join in what the angels call the coming together of Heaven and Earth.

This will include techniques in determining and finding one's own purpose or gift and using it, how to set up an angelic gateway, and how to align oneself with the new gifts that angels wish to bring to humans in the new world un-folding before us.

Workshops
Lectures

Beginning as a Healing Practitioner
2- or 3-day workshop $150 per person

Learn how to use the body in finding disease-causing miasms or blocks. Use sound to implement angelic acutuning (chakra tuning forks and angelic oils), a technique which takes Chinese acupuncture and aromatherapy a step further. Discover how to create an angelic gateway using semi-precious and precious stones to assist you in your own healing and the healing of others. Learn how to use body-tripping (a shamanic trance technique) to uncover and heal past-life issues related to healing.


Advanced Healing Techniques
1-day workshop $75. per person

Learn how to use the powers of "grace" to clear meridian miasms and blockages. Work with fellow participants in approaching how to heal with intent or with a glance. Discover ancient and lost techniques using elementals to heal body tissue. Explore the use of polarity techniques to prepare the body for healing.


Musculoskeletal Clearing
3-hour workshop $35. per person

Get rid of aches and pains by learning how to use sound and grace-therapy to promote healing with simple but powerful techniques.


The Seven Gifts of Heaven
4-hour workshop $50. per person

Find out how to discover the gift you were born with. Learn how to construct and use an angelic gateway. Experience what it is like to talk to your angels and spirit helpers in the gateway.

The Powers of the Gatekeepers
4-hour workshop $50. per person
Discover the capacity to explore other dimensions. Visit a vortex, a power point, and a natural gateway where the ancients explored the "Hole in the Ground" and the "Hole in the Sky." Intended for those comfortable with non-ordinary reality and androgyny. Engage the true power of the self in the "Sacred Marriage." Participate in techniques similar to shamanic journeying that will allow you to follow the power cords of nature and beyond.

The Children of the New Earth
Love offering

Hear the story of how Hardin discovers the Children of the New Earth and how they are awakening. Learn how these gifted kids and young adults are beginning to awaken, usually by being struck or surrounded by an unexplainable brilliant light. Called by many as "Indigos" or "Crystal Children," hear how they cry out for the support and guidance of elders, wise men and wise women. Find out how you can help to foster the coming forth of more of these awakening adepts.


How to Walk the Healing Path
Free Lecture

One of the main focuses of the Indigos is to heal our planet. But that can only happen if we first heal ourselves. And in order to change ourselves we must see how to move beyond limits and limitations. Gary demonstrates to the audience how we have the ability to move into oneness and, once in oneness, how we heal all when we heal one. Specific techniques will be demonstrated to show how we as a people can move to a consciousness that allows us to affect the world rather than the world affecting us. Participants will see how individuals and groups can move into healing simply with the intentions and powers of grace from a healing facilitator. This mind-altering presentation leaves people amazed.


Angelic Prophecies & the New Earth
Free Lecture

Hardin discusses prophetic excerpts from his new book, The Days of Wonder: Dawn of a Great Tomorrow. Find out how you can prepare yourself, your family, and your friends for the wonders that are entering with the coming together of Heaven and Earth. Take with you information that will allow you to go beyond your notion of being limited. Discover how we, like the whales and dolphins, have the capacity to enter into the uncharted waters of human Oneness.


The Sacredness of Being Gay
Love offering

Indigenous societies have always known that those known as the "Wall Walkers" or "Two-Spirits" or "Guardians of the Otherworld" have been key to the survival of their villages as well as to their ways of life. Learn how the time has come once again to bring back the spiritual gifts of being gay.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 16, 2008, 05:02:05 pm
OK, Mr. Hardin:
I challenge you to LIST the Elders you have spoken with. 
You say you have spoken to my elders so who are they?
You make broad statements without checking your facts.  For you to say you have spoken to my elders you need to have spoken to the elders of all nations and organizations.  Since there are over 500 nations in the US, and over 500 nations in Canada and we haven't even started to list all the nations in the rest of the world, I would fathom a guess that you would need to have spoken to at least 5000 elders just to cover the US and Canada.
Now let me answer your challenges.
Yes, I speak with my elders on almost a daily basis.  They support protection of our traditional culture and ways and do not just take from it what they want.  It is an all or nothing situation for them.  I also speak with Elders from other nations and find they also see it as all or nothing.
I always speak with Truth and Integrity and will do what is right to protect my Elders, children, family, community, culture.  For these things are what make me who I am.  Without these things I have no value to my own spirit.  These are the things that people like you seem to be trying to take from us for centuries now, am I to sit and let you do this?  NO!  My ancestors did not, so I will not.
You have admitted that what is on the site was COPIED from YOUR website, but you say it is not the truth, so am I to understand you lie?  If that is the case then how can I believe anything you say?
As for Ms. Holzwarth, I was there when her Eagle Feathers were taken by Fish and Wildlife, I was there when she spoke with such animosity toward us.  I have read her website where she asked for letters of support, a truly enlightened being would not have to beg their followers for support, it would be given without request, and therein come from the heart, where the true spirit lives and thrives.    "Thank you for keeping me updated with your emails.   I pray that any narrow minded souls open their hearts ..."  "Beautiful letter. I have also experienced the persecution, accusations and misunderstandings myself. ..."  I wonder what was said in that letter since people who know nothing of us or our elders would see us as "Radical" for protecting our sacred items "... I think you need to try in advance to gather truly representative leaders of Native American people to your meeting so they can hold back the anger of the radical people. Radical people perceive themselves as the victims and perceive you as the "torturer" so they are not going to listen to you, so they need to be controlled by their own fellows. ..."  Look for yourself http://whirlingrainbow.com/newsletter.htm   This is a person of whom you say has integrity?   A person who openly breaks the law of the land, a person who has now used four names of which I have proof from her websites, not to mention the two other names listed for her in Isreal.  There is far more proof of her hedonism than I have time to list here.
If you place it on a website it is the same as being published in a book and can therefore be used as long as credit is given, if your lawyer has told you different, he needs to look at the law, as you can be in sued for trying to shut down this site for this action since it is COPIED as you admit and credited.
As I say I stand behind all my actions and do not ask anyone to do that which I would not.
So I have now met all 3 of your challenges, will you meet my ONE Challenge?  List the names of the ELDERS of ALL nations to whom you have spoken.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 16, 2008, 05:47:55 pm
Well said Half Wolf
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 16, 2008, 06:56:58 pm
Also I would like to ask Mr. Hardin where he gets the idea that our spiritual leaders are gay.  Can you document your research work Mr.Hardin, I have never found anything except on your web site that leads to that alegation, that is slanderous, have you spoken with your lawyer about that?
http://www.gwhardin.com/articles.htm
"In Native American societies, the medicine men, the diviners, the dreamers and the dreamspeakers, the astrologers, the sacred singers and the callers of the spirits were most often gay."
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 16, 2008, 07:15:36 pm
Appears there's a difference of opinion among the organizers of the Gathering of One. Joe and Robbie Crane, in an e-mail dated May 6th, have said Holzwarth will not be participating in the gathering and apologized for their ignorance. GW Hardin, in the above open letter to the myspace group, not only says Holzwarth and her drum will be there, but threatens lawsuits if we all don't shut up and behave.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 16, 2008, 07:27:01 pm
If gay as happy ;)
people think gay and native and then they think two sprits people. But growing up as a native person i have never heared of my people talking about or having teaching of two sprits. But because a few tribe from out west have teaching on sprits they thing all native peoples do.
Now our spiritual leaders are gay? there is this coming from. I am trying to think of any spirtual leaders that i know that are gay but cant think of any.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 16, 2008, 07:32:36 pm
The Medicine MAn with us at the protest in Mi. brought his wife and he DEFINTELY wasn't looking at the guys there.  :)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on May 16, 2008, 09:08:13 pm
They are all gay??? Geeez, I wonder how it is that the ones I have met had children. Usually LOTS of them? LOL! I have met ONE gay man that was a spiritual man some would call a medicine man, but he, so far, is the only one I ever met. And then there are some that are well known like Henry Crow Dog and Frank Fools Crow and they weren't gay. Sheesh, what a loon. I never heard that sexuality had  ANYTHIING to do with being a medicine person.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 16, 2008, 09:30:34 pm
FYI i posted pics of the protest on flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/butzin/
if you click on Map under the pic you can see view from the sky were it was at!
you can see the dome thing and were they have their TP at.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 16, 2008, 09:38:30 pm
Y'know....I dont even know what to say to this....Im just shocked at this guy and his words in all honesty...and he makes threats to others regarding their words and actions? Please  ::)

Mr Hardin has his priorities wrong...not to mention his information eh? I think he's just sent an email spouting off a bunch of fancy talk...thinking it'll make people run away scared...lol....ummmmm NOT!

He cant close down Istealfromndns....they have proven every word written on their site...everything has been researched.....many hard working hours have been spent there....they have done some awesome work...they have a huge support network...and they've in actual fact done nothing wrong....FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUDDY....and if this Hardin doesnt like it...time to get a grip I think....get over it already...Istealfromndns aint going no place. WEMW has had her chance to defend herself...to change....and all she's done is continue...she's a fake, a fraud, a liar and a thief......so I think Mr Hardin needs to take his lame-o threats and shove em....whats the saying? "Dont throw stones if you live in a glass house"....Mr Hardin needs to check his OWN words for Slander before finger pointing perhaps.

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 16, 2008, 11:31:25 pm
Please sign our petition at
(link deleted by me) please see my next post


Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 16, 2008, 11:46:34 pm
Im sending this out to our members...I hope it helps
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: learningalot on May 17, 2008, 04:24:05 am
wow, this is certainly an interesting forum! :o
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Freija on May 17, 2008, 07:57:27 am
Please sign our petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/StandUP/petition.html
thanks to you all - we really need soem serious numbers on this one...

Cat

Signed and distributed here in Sweden. Let them know that this has become an international issue.

All of you have my deepest respect for what you are doing!! "Thank you!" would not be the right words from a non-Native, still, preserving and protecting spirituality and encouraging respect is something that concerns us all. 

Unfortunately we over on this side of the pond cannot be with you physically, but I can assure you we are with you in thoughts and prayers!

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 17, 2008, 08:31:43 am
Mr. Roger Nelson sure does like to mix up his thoughts, first printed material doesn't belong to one person, then it does. 
I will tell you all what.  There are not one but 2 lawyers in my immediate family that will be at a Pow Wow I am going to today.  I will ask them about this, then just for good measure when I get home I will check with a third one who is also in my immediate family but won't be at the Pow Wow.  She actually specializes in copyright law.  Tha is not counting the several friends and other family members I also have who may not be lawyers, but work for lawyers (none of these lawyers are in my family).  It is nice to have lawyers on hand, now I just need to find a way to get some doctors in the family. :)
I guess these people think we are all just uneducated Indians as we have been called on another site out there. 
One thing I would like to ask any of our Cherokee friends out there is if they can tell us are the vocables in the Cherokee Morning Song that is sung by Walela on Robbie Robertson's Red Road actually a traditional song or are they something that was done just for his album because that sure would shoot Mr. Roger Nelson's arguement all to h---.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 17, 2008, 10:43:01 am
Ahhh,Roger,Roger,Roger.....If you actualy own a copy of this particular CD,as Suraj Holzworth obviously does,then I suggest you look very carefully at the printed statement on the CD itself.(outer edge for any one else who wants to check)you will find what is a legally binding statement.The Cherokee morning song as is on this particular cd,is a specific and unique vocal arrangement that is not only identifiable it is also attributed to the artists themselves.
Not sure why you are defending blatent plagerismn,but its a question of are Holzwarths deminishing funding abilities enough to take on Capitol/EMI and AOL Time Warner,the latter is known for aggressively chasing down copyright theft after all.As for the artists themselves,well they have the option of seperate action or class action with the record company.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 17, 2008, 01:18:29 pm
Roger's homepage shows him to be a supporter of Benny Lebeau. He also does consulting on:

"Metaphysical Transformation
Vortex Research
Ley Line Identification
Sacred Site/Space Identification
Earth Grid Research"

But mostly he does webpages for businesses. No law license or legal training that I can see. 

Roger, look up the Fair Use Act. Reposting is allowed for the purpose of critique or debate.

Hope you continue to enjoy the site. I especially hope you will read the many threads on exploiter Benny Lebeau.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: learningalot on May 17, 2008, 03:14:08 pm
learning a lot!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 17, 2008, 03:37:50 pm
Cherokee take....

This woman is misrepresenting our people and our ceremonies....taking and using all she can as a means to make a buck. She has received cousel with elders and our people, yet she persists. The Cherokee Morning Song...is a song I was taught as a child...we sung it as we cleansed ourselves whilst greeting the sunrise. This song is a traditional song of the Eastern Cherokee...and was passed down....although I am Western Cherokee....our caregiver as children was Eastern and taught my brother and I to honor the new day in this way. Im sure many others have their own stories or information on this song and its origin....this is just my own.

Either way...this song being used...and many other traditional songs...by a non native who charges a fee...is WRONG...however you may want to look at it.

Added note: This song was passed down through my caregivers family also....now my question is this...What right does WEMW have to take this song and any other songs from our people, ceremonies, traditions etc...to make a profit?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 17, 2008, 04:18:59 pm
Please sign our petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com
thanks to you all - we really need soem serious numbers on this one...

Cat


Hello Family and friends...

I am sorry but we are rewriting the Holiday Inn petition. Since we are dealing with a Multi-million Dollar Corp. We need to deal with this in a specific way.

We will release the new petition today.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused any of you.

I locked the current petition so that no one else can sign it until we can get it deleted and rewritten.

Please pass this along

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 17, 2008, 04:43:35 pm
Sorry to sound like a doofass cat...but will all the signatures and the address of the petition be no good also? Or can you just re-write the content of the petition and save the rest?

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 17, 2008, 10:06:25 pm
The petiononline.com site does not allow any changes to be made to a petition once it's been signed: http://www.petitiononline.com/petition_FAQ.html

"keep in mind that a petition cannot be changed after it has been submitted, because any changes would be unfair to people who have already signed the petition."

So, if it's to be edited, a new version will have to be posted and people will have to sign again. Given the site it's hosted on, there's no way around that.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 17, 2008, 10:17:33 pm
Sorry to sound like a doofass cat...but will all the signatures and the address of the petition be no good also? Or can you just re-write the content of the petition and save the rest?

Tsissy

Tsissy - You are not a doofass LOL!! But no the Sig's will be no good as we cant submit that one to the Holiday Inn.  So it will be a fresh one.... Tonight or tomorrow.
Take care
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 17, 2008, 10:55:21 pm
Ahh dang...thats a shame .... :(     

But....once its redone....I know people will sign again...afterall this is something we should all be involved in....last time I looked at it there were almost 200 signatures....not bad for a few hours eh?

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: learningalot on May 18, 2008, 12:32:23 am
..snip..

learing a lot
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 18, 2008, 12:33:59 am
SWEET!!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
Hello people!!!! Just received this from a Suraj Supporter believe it or not...
Who is in the area to help with this?? Plan of action going in to effect..NOW!! Repost!!!!!!!
The Moderators at White Fraud Woman/Protect Native Culture
___________

CHANGES to GrandMother Drum In Yellowstone, Montana June 17-21, 2008 IMPORTANT

Date:

Thu, 8 May 2008 12:51:36 -0400

From:

The Whirling Rainbow Foundation White Eagle ..


Beloved Family,

THE GLOBAL EDEN EVENT HAS CANCELLED GRANDMOTHER DRUM INTERNATIONAL
PEACE PROJECT PARTICIPATION THE JUNE 17-21, 2008 GATHERING:

PLEASE READ THE DETAILS OF THE CHANGES!

As many of you know we have been working with challenges from the
Native Community throughout our 2008 Healing Waters tour.
Our
GrandMothers and Grandfathers have been clear in their guidance to us
about this and we feel this is all happening perfectly to move us and
prepare us for a much grander global work of promoting the TRIBE OF
ONENESS.
The Healing of the Waters has begun!

Yesterday May 7th, Global Eden Event Director Joe Crane called us to
cancel our contract for The GrandMother Drum International Peace
Project participation in the 2008 Global Eden Event in Yellowstone,
Montana.


Though we have put in many hours, contacts and meetings and have been
deeply dedicated to the vision and mission of the Gathering of One
since Dec 07, it seems that the issues and threats that the Eden Event
is having with the native american community has now been more focused
at our peace project.
They simply do not want to have the tension at
their gathering.


We were disappointed as we felt we had developed a deep and trusting
relationship with the committee over these months and and they deeply
know our hearts and our work.


Additionally, we just recently met with the Native Community here in
Troy Michigan in a Peace Circle Friday night.
What is happening is
extremely powerful and we feel monumental in all that is happening
towards a deeper understanding of unity, peace and the Tribe of
Oneness. As the light grows, so too does that which needs healing.
We
are clear that we are all in the Portal Activation of a much larger
hoop of work.
Aho!

We, including our hosts (Ed and Annette Jones at The Center of Light
and Gail and Ted Miller of Consious Mind Magazine) and their community
here in Michigan also felt our work here went very well and was a huge
breakthrough.
We are continuing with another GMD Project event here in
Michigan this coming weekend.



GRANDMOTHER DRUM PROJECT NEW YELLOWSTONE EVENT:

As one door closed, another one opened immediately! We have, within
the same day been contacted by Monica Ravenhart of Bison Vision and we
will now host our work near Livingston, Montana during this same
period.
We are honored as this feels so much more in alignment to our
hearts work.
We had a session with Metatron and the Grandfathers this
morning which was very clear in guidance.
We will share more of this
during the Summer Solstice work.
Monica has done extensive work on the
songlines, especially working with the issue of the atrocity of the
slaughter of Bison and the disruption to their migration from
Yellowstone to the Black Hills of South Dakota.


Please also read about the Gathering of the Eagles in South Dakota
that we will be attending after our work in Yellowstone, Montana in
case you want to stay on for this Spiritual Unity of the Tribes
Gathering: http://www. sut-gatheringofeagles. org.
(Contact Mary Ellen
Uptain for details

DETAILS:

EVENTS:
JUNE 17th Metatron Graduation Ceremony and Teachings
June 18-21, 2008 Yellowstone Portal Activation Ceremonies.

These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands.

Costs: All five days $444.
*
( if you have already paid for the June 17th, your balance is $333.

Addtional details of food and lodging will follow this email by the weekend.


FLY IN LOCATION:
Bozeman, MT

LOCATION:
These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred
lands. This work is being announced ONLY to our immediate family.
This
is not a public event and we will not be listed on our website.


OUR HOST: Monica Ravenhart
Monica has worked extensively with the healing and dimensional work of
the Bison.
Bision Vision is a center for cultural and environmental enrichment,
offering unity-based teaching for all ages around the social structure
of an intact bison herd--to show the importance of place and purpose
for each individual in today's society.
They strive to bring
peoples of all walks of life into the fold of a new and bonding
culture--the culture of the Heart.
Bison Vision is based in
Livingston, MT but our cultural enrichment center is located in
eastern Montana on 3,000 acres of pristine prairie land.


This land sings of buffalo hooves and moccasined footsteps of a
pre-war minded peoples.
You may view some photos of this land at
www. walkswithburros. com

PLEASE NOTE: If you are registered for the Global Eden Event you will
need to contact their office directly yourself if you chose to cancel
and join us.


We trust that Spirit will guide all hearts in truth and where they
need to be to work for unity and peace to open and anchor this Portal
for the Star Seeding.


We will be in contact with more details by this weekend.


Blessings,

--
White Eagle Medicine Woman
Director, International Healer and DrumKeeper
The GrandMother Drum Intl.
Peace Project
The Whirling Rainbow Foundation
Po Box 2822
Palmer, Alaska 99645
011-1-907-745-5636
http://www. whirlingrainbow. com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 18, 2008, 12:48:43 am
One door opens and another one closes would be a better way to put it eh? Lets see how fast we can get this door to close...time to get busy folks :)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 18, 2008, 01:55:02 am
sorry double posted..its edited now here:)
cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 18, 2008, 03:18:16 am
Good, but what is a portal actavation, something like Star Trek?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: matt e on May 18, 2008, 07:03:47 am
frederica-

     the easiest way of explaining it- as a portal is like a door, activating it is like unlocking it and pushing it open. In this case, they perform some type of ritual ceremony that they believe will open some kind of door to let who knows what pass from whatever is on the other side to our side.

  while I understand most of what they say they are doing(as in what they mean) I would really like to know what Metatron is graduating from. I didn't even know he was in school.


  For people who are selling items claiming they are authentic whatever, and they are not. a visit to the federal trade commissions (usa) website might be a good idea. You can file a complaint right there on their site. They take consumer protection and people taking advantage of consumers very seriously.

http://www.ftc.gov/

 for information about copyrights and the web visit http://www.copyright.gov/

 it has all kinds of useful information, such as unless you have something copyrighted with the us copyright office, it can be very difficult to win a court case.
  unless you have the little c in a circle, along with copyright 200?  you are not protected by international copyright law.
  fair use means you can copy sections of something for the purpose of review and/or discussion. if someone from another country wants to claim they are not subject to fair use, and do not have a registered copyright with their countries gov't entity repsonsible for such things, good luck trying to take legal action against someone in another country.
 hope you are rich. cause it will cost you a lot.
 
both sites are very informative. i strongly suggest everyone take some time to look them over.   
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 18, 2008, 07:59:14 am

As many of you know we have been working with challenges from the
Native Community throughout our 2008 Healing Waters tour.
Our
GrandMothers and Grandfathers have been clear in their guidance to us
about this and we feel this is all happening perfectly to move us and
prepare us for a much grander global work of promoting the TRIBE OF
ONENESS.
The Healing of the Waters has begun!

Yesterday May 7th, Global Eden Event Director Joe Crane called us to
cancel our contract for The GrandMother Drum International Peace
Project participation in the 2008 Global Eden Event in Yellowstone,
Montana.


Though we have put in many hours, contacts and meetings and have been
deeply dedicated to the vision and mission of the Gathering of One
since Dec 07, it seems that the issues and threats that the Eden Event
is having with the native american community has now been more focused
at our peace project.
They simply do not want to have the tension at
their gathering.


We were disappointed as we felt we had developed a deep and trusting
relationship with the committee over these months and and they deeply
know our hearts and our work.


Additionally, we just recently met with the Native Community here in
Troy Michigan in a Peace Circle Friday night.
What is happening is
extremely powerful and we feel monumental in all that is happening
towards a deeper understanding of unity, peace and the Tribe of
Oneness. As the light grows, so too does that which needs healing.
We
are clear that we are all in the Portal Activation of a much larger
hoop of work.
Aho!

We, including our hosts (Ed and Annette Jones at The Center of Light
and Gail and Ted Miller of Consious Mind Magazine) and their community
here in Michigan also felt our work here went very well and was a huge
breakthrough.
We are continuing with another GMD Project event here in
Michigan this coming weekend.



White Eagle Medicine Woman
Director, International Healer and DrumKeeper
The GrandMother Drum Intl.
Peace Project
The Whirling Rainbow Foundation
Po Box 2822
Palmer, Alaska 99645
011-1-907-745-5636
http://www. whirlingrainbow. com

Wow.....man.....something else.  I just KNEW that somehow....EVEN as badly as things went for her.....she'd try to find some way to make the meeting a selling point.  She could only do so much.....but she's still trying to do it.  That so sad....she's just lying.  It's unreal.

Well....the Bozeman deal is another topic.  I think its time to hit up the Bozeman newspapers about this story....a few letters to the editor.  Well-written and well thought out to get a clear message across.  Be objective when writing it...don't appear subjective.  The evidence alone of what she does is bad enough for most people to get an understanding of what she's really all about.  The words in this e-mail alone PROVES what a liar she is.  In her twisted version of it....she met with the Native community and groundbreaking work was achieved.  Exactly what she's referring to is beyond me.  I guess embarrassment, publicly lying and dodging and having her feathers taken away is groundbreaking work.  You all should've videotaped that first meeting anyway.  She's proven she can't be trusted.  Fish and Wildlife should show up again.  I'm sure there's more feathers there...she won't give them up honorably and that's the best avenue to have them taken.

I'm sure she's adding the experience of her encounter into her "stage act".   She obviously didn't learn a thing or take anything that was said to her to heart.  There's a lot of Native people in Bozeman, not to mention a whole state University that may want to get in on the act. 

I'd say it's time to invite her for a discussion on Indian terms.  She just can't be allowed any control over anything as  she will spin it into a selling point for herself.  She's got to be held accountable for her lies.   I doubt very highly she would ever agree to such terms as she knows she's just gonna lose....

I wish I could be there, but I hope Montana's as hospitable as Michigan....or even more so  ;)

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 18, 2008, 11:47:29 am
Actualy superdog,you can be there by writing and e mailing YOUR objections,with the peoples and elders on her stolen tail feathers,looking into copyright theft,and excercising the right of the Indian Nations to object.let the woman ramble on,folks like that usualy hang themselves by thier own words and actions.
Oh Hey and ROGER,you listening?,seems you and i are in the same business,though from different sides of the back yard fence i guess.I protect Indian interests to the best of my legal capacity(they paid for my education for that purpose after all)whats your excuse?
Lastly Cat.Is your petition on line yet? I will gladly sign it and unless anyone has any strong objections I would be happy to directly approach Capitol/EMI once that petition is underway,if that is to be geared towards the record companies.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 18, 2008, 12:08:11 pm
I have sat and thoroughly read The White Evil Medicine Woman's letter.  I have trouble with

"Additionally, we just recently met with the Native Community here in
Troy Michigan in a Peace Circle Friday night.What is happening is
extremely powerful and we feel monumental in all that is happening
towards a deeper understanding of unity, peace and the Tribe of
Oneness. As the light grows, so too does that which needs healing.
We
are clear that we are all in the Portal Activation of a much larger
hoop of work.
Aho!

We, including our hosts (Ed and Annette Jones at The Center of Light
and Gail and Ted Miller of Consious Mind Magazine) and their community
here in Michigan also felt our work here went very well and was a huge
breakthrough.
We are continuing with another GMD Project event here in
Michigan this coming weekend."

I attended the Troy Community Center meeting on May 2nd and listened intently to her animosity toward us.  Her screaming ranting denying and trying to forceflly control us.  I also attended her May 3rd-4th event in Michigan where the police were called by her cohorts.  I was thereto on May 9th when the local police were not enough to satisfy her so the Stat Police showed up.  This from people who claim.

"We, including our hosts (Ed and Annette Jones at The Center of Light
and Gail and Ted Miller of Consious Mind Magazine) and their community
here in Michigan also felt our work here went very well and was a huge
breakthrough."
They did not want us there,but were told by the Michigan State Police that since we had tickets they had a choice to either lete us in or refund our money, in which case we still had the right to protest the event and they would possibly face discrimination charges since we were the only natives and even though we had paid in advance were not being allowed to attend.  If you read my previous post you see that Rachel (don't call me that) Holzwarth would not speak during the May 9th event where we attended.  She left it to her protege Samantha Elliot.  They did not want us taping the May 2nd event because they did not want people to know what was being said.
So having been in attendance at both events, I do not think any headway was made by either side, all that has happened is proven by her statement here, she is going underground.   This was evidenced by the May 9th meeting which was not publicized and which if we had not bought tickets in advance NO ONE in Michigan would have been any the wiser!
Her actions are getting ridiculous.
Everyone here needs to know, they cannot stop you from a peaceful protest on pblic property (the road).  Let's not sink to the level they are trying to push us to.  Do not use violence, but let everyone, ALL RACES, ALL CULTURES know you will be there, so much the better if you can get local media to attend.  Several people left her event in Michigan when they realized she and her "sponsors" were committing acts of unaceptable cultural theft, denegration and genocide.  People do have a thirst to understand us, let us fill their thirst in the truly traditional way.  Let us show them we are respectful and respectable, not what they perceive us, as the declaration of independence still calls us to this very day with no apology in sight, "... merciless indian savages ..."  We are responsible to stop the lies and false perceptions about us.  This is our responsibilty, a responsibility we cannot shirk or deny.  We will start with one step and from there educate more people who will then help us by advancing the truth to others.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 18, 2008, 01:25:13 pm
Correct me if I am wrong here,but were not members of our nations subjected to a violent assault and arrest because of this woman,who then went onto smear OUR relatives blood on her "sacred" drum?Not once has a member or organisation accociated with NAPFS done anything other than exercise their LAWFULL right to peaceful assembly and protest.In this sense Half Wolf is correct.Those going to see this woman will recognise that and leave.However there also comes a point when all the talking in the world is not going to stop some one as dellusional as this woman,and that is the time you need to untilise existing laws to shut her down.Is that not the intent of this forum?.Her plagerismn has handed you such an opportunity on a platter and all it requires on NAPFS part is a simple "did you authorise this usage" to Capitol/EMI, their own lawyers will go after her not me or NAPFS.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 18, 2008, 02:36:22 pm
Zoi I've already spoken to my own lawyer in regards to contacting the companies first thing tomorrow morning...we're all doing what we can here....and I know many more people are doing the same...or contacting the companies in person as I have already done....we have proven so far...we need many voices speaking up...a handful of people issuing a complaint is generally ignored...but as I said...there are many people working hard on this.

With respect,

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 18, 2008, 02:44:34 pm
Not only does Capitol need to be notified, she is still selling what she calls Ceremonial items in her store. ie Medicine bags, Medicine bundles, Smudge Feathers, which still look like Eagle feathers to me. I would think Wild Life only seized what she had with her in Michigan.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 18, 2008, 03:07:22 pm
This is still also being worked on....I think alot of people have slackened off somewhat with their response/emails/phonecalls/complaints etc....we need to find a way to regain the amazing support we all had on this from the beginning. I think many people feel that since most of her venues have been closed down...they've done their part. And as much as we all truly appreciate all efforts made thus far...this is still ongoing...and will be for perhaps a long time to come. I think as long as there are people out there willing to part with their hard earned money and throw it in Rachels direction...people who are seeking some form of spirituality....Rachel will find a way to continue...this is easy money to her...so we need to persist on this...and make sure that easy money maker becomes more trouble for her than its worth. We can really only hit her in her pocket book...we've tried reasoning...but this woman seems to take even those words and twist them to suit herself. Persistance is key...the more people complaining and contacting hosts, companies, web hosts, Fish and Wildlife again (For sale of the feathers on her site) and IRS (Have they even contacted her yet? Ive heard nothing about this)....contacting our Elders...Tribal Councils etc...even if everyone involved makes one call a day....sends out three emails a day...we would be on this. Right now I see a group of good people working their butts off....and many armchair supporters. How can we change this?

Tsissy
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 18, 2008, 04:00:55 pm
Hi All,
We have alot going on with our site but - Tsissy you are right..alot of people have slacked off - but alot of new people are working on it now.... even so we need alot of supporter back up to get this new craziness stopped by Suraj/Rachel.  Did anyone catch the "Aho" in her latest letter..sheesh.....

We have a biiig announcement coming up - Got a call this morning and I will release the information by tonight hopefully.

We are NOT redoing the Petition..... for a very happy reason:)

Will let you all know as soon as I get the specifics in writing....

But we are not going forward with the protest for the dance of one.

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 18, 2008, 04:54:07 pm
Tsisqua,thank you for the info,I appreciate you sharing that.Cat also thanks for the update to my previous question.I was just thinking of something we could do out here to assist on a practical level is all.But if you have that covered then great.Let us know if you can think of anything.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 18, 2008, 05:17:52 pm
Yup I sure did see the Aho....are we sure that Rachel wrote the statement....or was it the puppet master? Im looking to see what I can dig out on Samantha Elliot...I'll let you know if anything comes up Cat. So far Ive found Samantha D Elliot, Palmer Alaska Zip code 99645....she's 29 years old and has also lived in the following:

WASILLA, AK
CAMBRIDGE, MA
FAIRBANKS, AK

She's listed on the honors roll at the UAF : http://www.uaf.edu/univrel/media/FY01/081.html

She attended Palmer High School AK : http://www.classmates.com/directory/school/Palmer%20High%20School_2.jsp?org=6469

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=7734572290




Zoi....as I said in the last posting...we still need many voices on this...phone calls....emails...complaints made etc...the more people working on this the better....and we all appreciate any support and help offered.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 19, 2008, 02:50:03 am
Sorry, I think she found out about AHO in MIchigan because as each of our people made a point the response for mt he rest was as to be expected AHO!   Just another show of her theivery, she abuses everything she touches.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 19, 2008, 03:30:42 pm
I have my doubts about the sincerity of Robbie Crane's letter. I addressed some of those in a post on the G.W. Hardin - Gathering of One thread. Since Holzwarth isn't going to be participating in that event now (still think it's damage control), we need to focus on what she is planning to do. Does anyone know anything about Monica Ravenhart and the Bison Vision group?

Quote
This land sings of buffalo hooves and moccasined footsteps of a pre-war minded peoples. You may view some photos of this land at www.walkswithburros.com

Apparently Holzwarth has backed off her stance that she isn't doing Native spirituality. "moccasined footsteps"?? One more stereotype.

Cat, thanks for sharing that e-mail with us.

Superdog, great post! I had a feeling that somehow Holzwarth would turn that meeting into a P.R. moment. She's never had a problem twisting and turning actual events to validate herself. She did it in Alaska, Australia, and even in Weymouth.


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 19, 2008, 04:31:03 pm
Ive had a look for Monica Ravenhart and the Bison Vision group....but Ive found nada...the only place its mentioned on the net as far as I can see is here...due to WEMW's mail...and anywhere else its been posted....which is kinda odd.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 19, 2008, 05:38:21 pm
OK, here is the information available on www.walkswithburros.com, that is not on their website
A single search result or detailed view of a listing is displayed. From here you can map the listing and get driving directions, send or save the listing for later use, or find additional information on the web.
View Additional Help
(406) 539-2222 is Unpublished or Unavailable
 
Would a reputable business have an unpublished phone number?


(406) 539-2222Type: Cell Phone
Provider: Western Wireless Corporation
Location: Bozeman, MT

Would a reputable business use a cell phone instead of a land line and offer it as a contact number when you are in the middle of 3000 acres and have no other way to contact you???  Soory, but sun flares, sun spots, etc. interfere with cell phones, that is some of the reasons why you lose signal with them.  Oh and let's not forget about the satelite that went down a few years back and all the problems that caused.

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The latitude/longitude puts it between Bozeman and Butte Montana

The names associated with this website are Mary Ogdahl, Monica Ford, Beverly Axelsen, Mike Smith and Marta Quest
I wonder if MOnica Ford is Monica Ravenheeart?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on May 19, 2008, 05:56:12 pm
Couldn't find anything on Monica RH with that spelling. But as Monica RavenhEart, she mostly shows up as someone lving in Livingston MT involved with buffalo projects, but not  the head of any group I could find.

http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/aboutus/artthoughts/ravenheart2.html
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/aboutus/artthoughts/ravenheart.html

This article says she was married to a Lakota for a time.
http://www.thebigskyweekly.com/article.php?id=337

That article and this one are the only places I found Bison Vision mentioned outside of Holzwarth's site.
http://bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2008/01/20/news/80briefs.txt

This one has a post from a member of the group, which mentions something interesting.
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http://wolves.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/photo-of-horse-butte/
 bob jackson Says:
April 22, 2008 at 7:42 am
The group I work with, Bison Vision of Livingston Montana, is doing just that, using a ranch in Eastern Montana (in the epicenter of the Poppers Buffalo Commons) as a teaching center. Social order buffalo are to be an integral part of this plan. These animals (30 satellite family members) will be in place this fall and the teaching already going on this summer will be expanded next year to show how bison life can be a guide to human living … whether it is troubled teens or corporations. I am looking forward to being a part of something that relates back to when Plains Indians studied buffalo to apply their behavior to their own lives. We will see how this expands to corporate retreats etc. A lot has to be done. Earth lodge training center communities and all that. i will keep folks up on happenings
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So perhaps that's why MRH is willing to host a clear fraud like Holzwarth.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 19, 2008, 05:58:26 pm
I didnt think to change the spelling  :-[
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 19, 2008, 06:05:15 pm
Monica Ford -  Monica RAvenheart?
Rachel Holzwarth - Suraj Holzwart?
Samantha Elliot - Timoreye Elliot?
HMMMM, Name changes must come ieasy in this group.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 19, 2008, 07:24:05 pm
What about this one???
ps - did you all see on the walkswith burros site the different camps?? In the Fall they have the Buffalo "Rut" camp?

Cat

http://wintermt.com/categories/moreinfo.asp?IDRRecordID=16750&siteid=11
Walks With Burros

Solitude Retreat

Our ALL-INCLUSIVE retreat provides guests with the opportunity to be free from the everyday pressures of the modern world. As part of the solitude experience, we offer 3,000 acres of private secluded land, rich in geological and Indian history. Guests stay in a beautiful private tipi, located in an isolated area, but close to the base camp. Meals are planned around fresh seasonal organic products. Cost begins at $100 per day for adult; $50 for child. Price reduced for four or more days for larger groups.

Bisonvision Buffalo Camps

Buffalo Camps has been added this year to provide programs that foster the well-being and inspire the social aspects of humans and animals to promote a symbiotic living and learning experience. Camps available this year; Buffalo 'Calf' Camp - Session I (ages 11-13); Session II (ages 8-10; can be accompanied by parent), Buffalo 'Family' Camp Labor Day Weekend, August 30-September 1, Buffalo 'Cow' Camp - September 12,13, & 14.

Programs and activities for all camps include Bison Wisdom, Medicine Wheel Teachings, Drum Making, Stargazing, Animal Messages and more; with free time for exploration and contemplation. Camps are all-inclusive, bring minimal essentials and let us do the rest!

Buffalo Camps are also available for private family and group gatherings.

For further details and to contact us www.walkswithburros.com or phone Beverly at (406) 539-2222.

Mailing Address:
16 Merrill Lane
Livingston, MT 59047

Phone: 406-539-2222
http://walkswithburros.com
Email: walkswithburros@mac.com

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 19, 2008, 07:42:56 pm
Walks With Burros

http://www.walkswithburros.com/

Solitude Retreat 
Vision Quest 
Buffalo Camps 
Programs and Staff 



They're listed on the Montana Official State Travel Information Site 
http://visitmt.com/categories/moreinfo.asp?IDRRecordId=16750&SiteId=1

Walks With Burros

(http://visitmt.com/pictures/big/19463h.jpg)
Inside Tipi    Image by: Walks With Burros


Solitude Retreat

Our ALL-INCLUSIVE retreat provides guests with the opportunity to be free from the everyday pressures of the modern world. As part of the solitude experience, we offer 3,000 acres of private secluded land, rich in geological and Indian history. Guests stay in a beautiful private tipi, located in an isolated area, but close to the base camp. Meals are planned around fresh seasonal organic products. Cost begins at $100 per day for adult; $50 for child. Price reduced for four or more days for larger groups.

Bisonvision Buffalo Camps

Buffalo Camps has been added this year to provide programs that foster the well-being and inspire the social aspects of humans and animals to promote a symbiotic living and learning experience. Camps available this year; Buffalo 'Calf' Camp - Session I (ages 11-13); Session II (ages 8-10; can be accompanied by parent), Buffalo 'Family' Camp Labor Day Weekend, August 30-September 1, Buffalo 'Cow' Camp - September 12,13, & 14.

Programs and activities for all camps include Bison Wisdom, Medicine Wheel Teachings, Drum Making, Stargazing, Animal Messages and more; with free time for exploration and contemplation. Camps are all-inclusive, bring minimal essentials and let us do the rest!

Buffalo Camps are also available for private family and group gatherings.

For further details and to contact us www.walkswithburros.com or phone Beverly at (406) 539-2222.

 
Payment and Reservation Information:

Payment Methods:
Cash
Master Card
Personal Check (In State)
Personal Check (Out Of State)
Travelers Checks
Visa

Reservations:
Group Reservations Required
Reservations Accepted

Services Offered:
Books
Breakfast
Dude Ranch/Farm
Guide
Hot Breakfast
Lunch
Meals Included
Music
Working Farm Or Ranch

Activities Offered:
Bird Watching
Business Retreats
Day Tour
Hiking
Music
Nature
Snowshoeing
Walking
Wilderness
Wildlife Viewing

Contact Info
Mailing Address:
16 Merrill Lane
Livingston, MT 59047

Phone: 406-539-2222
http://walkswithburros.com
Email: walkswithburros@mac.com


Also listed on these sites:

Montana's Missouri River Country
http://missouririver.visitmt.com/categories/moreinfo.asp?IDRRecordID=16750&SiteID=92

Glacier Country Montana
http://glacier.visitmt.com/categories/moreinfo.asp?IDRRecordID=16750&SiteID=3

Yellowstone Country
http://www.yellowstonecountry.net/5_site_view.asp?id=16750

Montana Indian Nations
http://indiannations.visitmt.com/categories/moreinfo.asp?IDRRecordID=16750&siteid=90

VirtualMontana.com
http://www.virtualmontana.com/montanadirectory/montanalistings/YC/montana16750.htm


And because they use these tipis, they get a spot on this site:

Nomadics Tipi Makers: Retreats and Campgrounds
http://www.tipi.com/campretreats.html


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 19, 2008, 09:14:40 pm
This is four years old, but it lets us know who Monica Ford RavenHeart has worked with in the past.


Chiron Communiqué
Author's Occasional Newsletter
from Steven McFadden

Locations and Contacts
            for the
May 8, 2004 Medicine Wheel

Grand Tetons in the Center
19 Sacred Sites on the Perimeter of the Wheel


http://www.chiron-communications.com/medwheelsites.html


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Paradise Valley, Montana
We will hold a healing ceremony in Paradise Valley, MT on May 8th in conjunction with Bennie LeBeau's from sunrise to sunrise.  We are only 30 miles from the north entrance to Yellowstone Park. We will create a large Medicine Wheel in and around the Earthship house on the property. Our prayer circle will be held at the center inside the Earthship using a Causal Vortex geometric Metaform to broadcast and connect our collective prayers and focused intention around the world.There will of course be drumming, healing songs, and whatever we can do along the same lines as the main ceremony in Grand Teton.

This property has large beaver ponds, woods, and the Yellowstone River as
its back border, and is surrounded by the Absorka and Gallitan Mountain
ranges.  We also have a labyrinth on the property. We welcome anyone in the area to join us. Camping and group sleeping arrangements can be made.  Bring own accommodations.

Contact person is Monica Ford RavenHeart 406-222-5954 -- beadmon@earthlink.net We would be blessed to have a Shaman or Medicine Person officiating our ceremony.  If there is anyone interested in the vicinity please contact Monica.


And Roger's here too.

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Qu’appelle River, Saskatchewan
Roger Nelson in Calgary, Alberta (403) 263-0024 roger@primalcalling.com

We are calling for any interested parties to meet at the Fort Campground on Echo Lake at Fort Qu'Appelle on Saturday May 8th 10:00am. Please contact Roger for more details on where to meet and what protocols to follow.



Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 19, 2008, 09:36:16 pm
BFC Update from the Field 11/29/07

Excerpt from Stephany's update, after seven buffalo had been killed by the Salish-Kootenai, who are hunting under treaty rights for the first time in almost 150 years:

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Gibson and I were torn. We held deep sadness in our hearts for these buffalo, for all that they suffer, yet we also couldn't help but feel a certain awe and respect for the reawakening relationship between the buffalo and the Salish-Kootenai. As our dear friend Monica RavenHeart said to me a couple days later, "Remember the voice and the spirit inside the ancient bones? Imagine the spirit of the buffalo just killed enveloping the hunter and anyone else nearby. Never underestimate what is really happening when you see a buffalo fall. If it was not its mission it would be deep in the park pushing snow. Those who come forward, come forward as warriors and great wise beings... you honor them by acknowledging their mission." Is that why this mixed group caught us by surprise, coming out so early in the year? Were these buffalo warriors carrying a message, willing to sacrifice themselves in order to be heard, felt and understood?

http://www.newwest.net/citjo/article/bfc_update_from_the_field_11_29_07/C33/L33/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on May 20, 2008, 04:31:57 pm
i would like to personley thank rachel holzwarth
for teaching me how not to be like her, and to stay on my own path.
and for exposing all the frauds across this country
for with out her we would have never known about these frauds
smug in there little worlds selling peace and what they think is native
to unsepecting fools, we should go back over her years for events and go after them
for they are the ones making it possable for her to do her thing
she has been a door opener, into the world of twinkes that has been hiding right under our noses for years, look at how many we have found so far, all the same
only in it for a buck

you can sell your spirit, but you can never buy it back.
the creator provides all that we need
and the creator needed some one to travel acrose this country exposing the frauds
lol even at there own expence, for they are the one paying for her to come to them


so thank you again rachel holzwarth for being who you are
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 22, 2008, 04:13:20 pm
A few days ago I wrote to Rachel...to try to find out about her upcoming performances...aside from her scheduale on her web site etc...(Since we all knew most of these are confirmed as cancelled etc I wanted to hear it from her)...I claimed to be an interested fellow new ager....this is the reply I received.


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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:54:25
From: "The Whirling Rainbow Foundation White Eagle" <thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com> 
To: "Fry Bread" <fry_bread_72@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hello



Hi,
 
Thnak you very much for your letter and words. Our 2008 USA tour schedule is just about wrapped up for the year so we will not be doing a prayerformance in the states. However you are free to meet up with us in South Dakota at the Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering at the end of June 2008. I appreciate whatever you have to share.
 
We are aware of the AIM group and met with many of them in a Peace Circle in Michigan. Most of the "issues" and website blogs are made by people who have never attended our work nor have any understanding. We are clear in our hearts about our international healing work and have had tens of thousands over the last seven years feel the same. We are respectful of the difference people feel in practicing their own spiritual path and we appreiciate that same respect to practice the path our organization has been guided to follow. We are clear about our place in the unity of the hoop and look forward to more bringing more peace and understanding.
 
Many blessings of peace dear sister,
 
White Eagle

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on May 22, 2008, 04:31:43 pm
wow just about done for the year. i guess thats good news. I'm glad she will remember Michigan for a very long time. but i have a feeling SD will have the same welcome for her.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 22, 2008, 04:48:03 pm
I was there in Michigan.  Her animosity was obvious, so much for a peace circle.  As for AIM she said she wanted to speak to us when we attended (contrary to what she says, we did attend one of her sessions on May 9th); but then she didn't, although many of her followers took the time to speak to us and find out what we had to say, some of them left when they heard the truth.  So again we see her lies showing up.  We would have spoken to her had she taken the time to speak to us.
I personally did not find anything to understand.  They did a Mayan Fire Ceremony where they threw Hershey's kisses, sugar, candles & corn kernels in the fire along with herbs and medicines.  I found this all very disconcerting as my knowledge of Hershey's Kisses is that they are processed and therefore not anything of nature.  I have never heard of throwing anything processed into a fire.  I somehow think that would chase away the ancestors.  She was pouring some kind of liquid onto the fire to keep it burning and it would then leap out with tongues lashing at her.  They had to read the ceremony from a book, as Samatha Elliot had only been involved with Mayan Fire Ceremonies for 9 Months and this was her 4th.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 22, 2008, 04:50:30 pm
Well...Im figuring that since this seems to be the only venue left...all efforts can be put into this...to make sure Rachel gets a similar greeting.

Im thinking since she's continuing with the songs...ceremony...etc...the SD Nations now need contacting...the elders....local AIM chapters etc...all with a view to representing our people there....and letting the ndn voices be heard above the twinkie drum banging.

We've got the Cheyenne River Sioux, Crow Creek Sioux, Lower Brule Sioux, Oglala Sioux, Rosebud Sioux, Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux, Yankton Sioux, and the Flandreau Santee Sioux Nations in South Dakota...

Contact info:

Gregg Bourland, Chairman
Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 590
Eagle Butte, SD 57625
P: 605/964-4155
F: 605/964-4155
(Cheyenne River)

Duane Big Eagle, Chairman
Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 50
Fort Thompson, SD 57339
P: 605/245-2221
F: 605/245-2470
(Crow Creek)

Richard P. Allen, President
Flandreau Santee Sioux Executive Committee
P.O. Box 283
Flandreau, SD 57028
P: 605/997-3891
F: 605/997-3878
(Aberdeen Area)

Micheal B. Jandreau, Chairman
Lower Brule Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 187
Lower Brule, SD 57548
P: 605/473-5561
F: 605/473-5606
(Lower Brule)

John Yellow Bird Steele, President
Oglala Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box H
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
P: 605/867-5821
F: 605/867-5659
(Pine Ridge)

William Kindle, President
Rosebud Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 430
Rosebud, SD 57570
P: 605/747-2381
F: 605/747-2243
(Rosebud)

Andrew Grey, Sr., Chairman
Sisseton - Wahpeton Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 509
Agency Village, SD 57262
P: 605/698-3911
F: 605/698-3708
(Sisseton)

Darrell Drapeau, Chairman
Yankton Sioux Tribal Business & Claims Comm.
P.O. Box 248
Marty, SD 57361
P: 605/384-3804
F: 605/384-5687
(Yankton)

The AIM Chapter in South Dakota:

Mike Wicks
P.O. Box 232
Peever, SD 57257

Mike.Wicks@mindless.com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 22, 2008, 04:57:37 pm
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May 12th - June 15, 2008- Israel and Egypt


I dont recall the above being on her site before? Perhaps I simply didnt notice it?



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June 26 -  29, 2008


SPIRITUAL UNITY OF TRIBES – GATHERING OF EAGLES

Black Hills, South Dakota

Bear Butte Lodge area.

Northwest side of Bear Butte, outside the city of Sturgis.

Coming Together in Unity

The Spiritual Unity of Tribes is a gathering of all people from all nations uniting spiritually through sharing and respecting each other's traditions and philosophies of life. 

Lodging / Meals

Primitive camping is available on-site.  Limited showers are also available this year.  If you require electricity, the Free Spirit campground is available just past the Bear Butte Lodge.  Elders will be housed in the Bear Butte Lodge itself.

If you prefer a motel/hotel/B&B, there are many to choose from in the Sturgis area.  Call the Sturgis Chamber of Commerce, 605.347.2556 or go to their website at http://www.sturgis-sd.org  One potluck meal each day.  Contact Arlis, the Kitchen Coordinator, at 605.578.3796.  Bring all other food and supplies.  We would like to assist as many Elders as possible with their transportation expenses.  Please contact us if you are able to help with the "Sponsor an Elder Program."

Gathering of Eagles, P.O. Box 1162, Hill City, SD 57745

Mary Ellen and Clay at 605.341.0724  dcu777@rushmore.com

Gena at 605.673.5946  moebius2012@hotmail.com

http://www.spiritualunityofthetribes.org.au/

http://www.sdgfp.info/Parks/Regions/NorthernHills/BearButte2.htm


Many voices need to contact the above also.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 22, 2008, 05:41:33 pm
Wait a minute! Did y'all forget about her relocated Yellowstone Event? Are we just going to let this one happen? I know they aren't advertising this one; it's supposed to be a "private" affair. Thanks to Cat, we do know about it. From what Holzwarth says in her e-mail, it's going to take place on sacred land. There's got to be something we can do about this.


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CHANGES to GrandMother Drum In Yellowstone, Montana June 17-21, 2008

IMPORTANT

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:51:36 -0400

From: The Whirling Rainbow Foundation White Eagle ..


Beloved Family,

THE GLOBAL EDEN EVENT HAS CANCELLED GRANDMOTHER DRUM INTERNATIONAL PEACE PROJECT PARTICIPATION THE JUNE 17-21, 2008 GATHERING:

PLEASE READ THE DETAILS OF THE CHANGES!

As many of you know we have been working with challenges from the Native Community throughout our 2008 Healing Waters tour. Our GrandMothers and Grandfathers have been clear in their guidance to us about this and we feel this is all happening perfectly to move us and prepare us for a much grander global work of promoting the TRIBE OF ONENESS.

The Healing of the Waters has begun!

Yesterday May 7th, Global Eden Event Director Joe Crane called us to cancel our contract for The GrandMother Drum International Peace Project participation in the 2008 Global Eden Event in Yellowstone, Montana.

Though we have put in many hours, contacts and meetings and have been deeply dedicated to the vision and mission of the Gathering of One since Dec 07, it seems that the issues and threats that the Eden Event is having with the native american community has now been more focused at our peace project. They simply do not want to have the tension at their gathering.

We were disappointed as we felt we had developed a deep and trusting relationship with the committee over these months and and they deeply know our hearts and our work.

Additionally, we just recently met with the Native Community here in Troy Michigan in a Peace Circle Friday night. What is happening is extremely powerful and we feel monumental in all that is happening towards a deeper understanding of unity, peace and the Tribe of Oneness. As the light grows, so too does that which needs healing. We are clear that we are all in the Portal Activation of a much larger hoop of work. Aho!

We, including our hosts (Ed and Annette Jones at The Center of Light and Gail and Ted Miller of Consious Mind Magazine) and their community here in Michigan also felt our work here went very well and was a huge breakthrough. We are continuing with another GMD Project event here in Michigan this coming weekend.


GRANDMOTHER DRUM PROJECT NEW YELLOWSTONE EVENT:

As one door closed, another one opened immediately! We have, within the same day been contacted by Monica Ravenhart of Bison Vision and we will now host our work near Livingston, Montana during this same period. We are honored as this feels so much more in alignment to our hearts work.

We had a session with Metatron and the Grandfathers this morning which was very clear in guidance. We will share more of this during the Summer Solstice work.

Monica has done extensive work on the songlines, especially working with the issue of the atrocity of the slaughter of Bison and the disruption to their migration from Yellowstone to the Black Hills of South Dakota.

Please also read about the Gathering of the Eagles in South Dakota that we will be attending after our work in Yellowstone, Montana in case you want to stay on for this Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering: http://www.sut-gatheringofeagles.org.
(Contact Mary Ellen Uptain for details

DETAILS:

EVENTS:
JUNE 17th Metatron Graduation Ceremony and Teachings
June 18-21, 2008 Yellowstone Portal Activation Ceremonies.

These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands.

Costs: All five days $444.
*
( if you have already paid for the June 17th, your balance is $333.

Addtional details of food and lodging will follow this email by the weekend.


FLY IN LOCATION:
Bozeman, MT

LOCATION:
These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands. This work is being announced ONLY to our immediate family. This is not a public event and we will not be listed on our website.

OUR HOST: Monica Ravenhart
Monica has worked extensively with the healing and dimensional work of the Bison. Bision Vision is a center for cultural and environmental enrichment, offering unity-based teaching for all ages around the social structure of an intact bison herd--to show the importance of place and purpose for each individual in today's society. They strive to bring peoples of all walks of life into the fold of a new and bonding culture--the culture of the Heart. Bison Vision is based in Livingston, MT but our cultural enrichment center is located in eastern Montana on 3,000 acres of pristine prairie land.

This land sings of buffalo hooves and moccasined footsteps of a pre-war minded peoples. You may view some photos of this land at www.walkswithburros.com

PLEASE NOTE: If you are registered for the Global Eden Event you will need to contact their office directly yourself if you chose to cancel and join us.

We trust that Spirit will guide all hearts in truth and where they need to be to work for unity and peace to open and anchor this Portal for the Star Seeding.

We will be in contact with more details by this weekend.



Blessings,

--
White Eagle Medicine Woman
Director, International Healer and DrumKeeper
The GrandMother Drum Intl.
Peace Project
The Whirling Rainbow Foundation
Po Box 2822
Palmer, Alaska 99645
011-1-907-745-5636
http://www. whirlingrainbow. com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 22, 2008, 05:58:51 pm
And that's exactly why I sent the email to Rachel in the first place...to try and find out where this will be held....but no dice....she's not giving nada.

We need to find out where it will be held in order to do something about it...and yes many are working on it...it's certainly not been forgotten about....there is no info ready to post just this minute until some facts have been varified....once its cleared up... the info will be posted.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 22, 2008, 06:28:29 pm
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May 12th - June 15, 2008- Israel and Egypt


I dont recall the above being on her site before? Perhaps I simply didnt notice it?


Discussion about the changes in her schedule on pg 19.

I'm still wondering if she's really in Israel/Egypt now.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 22, 2008, 06:50:35 pm
The IP number on the mail header is definately in the US...I wont post it...but I have it on the email..I can forward it to anyone who needs varification.

So according to the scheduale May 12 - June 15th.....Rachel shouldnt be anywhere near the US eh?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 22, 2008, 07:26:30 pm
The IP number on the mail header is definately in the US...I wont post it...but I have it on the email..I can forward it to anyone who needs varification.

So according to the scheduale May 12 - June 15th.....Rachel shouldnt be anywhere near the US eh?

From the ISP and IP, you should be able to tell exactly where she is, anywhere in the world.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 22, 2008, 08:14:20 pm
Yup...that's why I said she's definately in the US
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 22, 2008, 08:50:46 pm
Holzwarth's e-mail said the Yellowstone Event would be "near Livingston" in one place and "outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands" in another. I'm not familiar with Montana, so I looked it up. They're only 25 miles apart. I wonder if Monica RavenHeart would listen to reason. Joe and Robbie Crane did, and that surprised me. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 23, 2008, 12:12:00 am
Livingston is not far rom West yellowstone. That is most of thoses towns claim to fame is the Park Yellowstone. Lots of tourist.  There is some around that area that are DrystalReaders, Astrologers, in Livingston or near,   But I don't have any names as yet.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on May 23, 2008, 03:57:54 pm
Manifest Destiny; the New Age version - Letter and Statement from Monica Ravenheart

Okay, it all started when I contacted Bison Vision (Monica Ravenheart) regarding bringing Suraj to do there to do her thing.  This is the response we got:

******

I appreciate you offering me the opportunity to clarify with you several of your concerns.  First let me state that neither Bison Vision nor Walks With Burros organizations are hosting any such event.  I contacted Suraj after viewing her website in regards to a personal question.  I sent her a personal email and in that email I shared information about Bison Vison and gave her the website address to show her pictures of land near where I am from, as a bit of history about myself.  Now it would seem that that information has been misused not once but twice.  In defense of those two organizations, I take full responsibility for any misperception your group may have, as I can certainly see why you have sited that information.
 
In light of my right to privacy, I will share with you my intentions and perspective connection to Suraj in hopes that it will dispell any fears you may have of misrepresentation of Native American traditions and ceremonies.  A dear friend of mine passed away two years ago.  It was her wish that when the time was right, that I hold a specific ceremony for her on her land.  We had both studied sacred geometry, which is a universal language in itself, and she had hoped for me to use the Metatron configuration on her small acreage before it would be released for sale.  When I came across Suraj's website (on her work with sacred geometry) I felt in my heart that she was the one to help me do this work.  Contrary to what you are saying, this woman has a gift to be shared and her work for global peace and unity is very much in attunement with my own, and with the need for peace on earth right now. Thus this "event" that it seems to have now become, has been blown way out of porportion. It was not intended to be made public nor presented in the way in which it was.  I received that bulletin and promptly corrected it, but it would seem that it was not before it lit a fire.
 
I am greatly sorry that the Native Nations are still fighting to retain what you feel belongs to you. I was with a Lakota Sioux man for over nine years and I stood beside him in his pain and in his journey to overcome the constant need for freedom he internalized. I have held your ways sacred since I was very young.
 
I must however, honor my committment to my friend, as I assure you that your battle would be better fought elsewhere.  This ceremony is not about anything Native American.  It has everything to do with my friend and her wishes.
 
I humbly ask that you step away from this space as it has absolutely nothing to do with your specific fight.  You may continue to condemn Suraj's work if you feel you must, but you do not have the right to condemn the woman and her friendships.  This is a private ceremony on private land and I will ask that you respect and honor that just as you wish your space to be respected and honored.
 
Thank you again for bringing this to my attention before taking any unnecessary action.  I send my heartfelt wishes and prayers that the battle you are fighting will come to an end in peaceful and unified solution, so that the next generations can use those very traditions and ceremonies you hold so dear to teach community, rather than war, and the importance of oneness to all peoples in times to come.
 
In honor and In peace,
Monica RavenHeart

*******

So Monica and I exchanged a couple back-and-forth mails, talked about the Bison et al.  She's a very sweet woman, as is Robbie from Global Eden Event.  And I understand what they're doing to save the planet.  But I still find it frustrating that the issue continues to be skirted...do not do native ceremony (I'm preaching to the choir here at this point).

We requested Monica to write us a statement to explain (or rather, iron out for us) who all this "misinformation" came to be - like what Robbie from Global Eden did.  She sent this:

*******

My heart is open:

I have been asked to make a statement to you regarding my connection to Suraj, and so I shall.

It is the chaos of conflict that has brought us to this moment in time and I give thanks for the opportunity to speak with all of you.   If Suraj has made this moment peak, than I thank her for the sacrifice of her reputation so that you and I may be reunited.  Always, it is from the highest point that one can see the farthest reaches of all sides of anything.  And so it is necessary for conflict to reach its peak, its highest destination, in order for those who are in it to stop and look around them, even for just a moment........and this is where true healing begins. I will humbly ask that you take that moment now to hear what I have to say as I am taking this moment to say it:

I will share with you a vision that I had sometime ago. This vision came to me soon after my work began with the Buffalo in Yellowstone Park.  In my vision I saw a great Buffalo herd running to the Black Hills.  I herd their hooves thundering and I felt the Earth reverberate.  Next I saw a great herd of Elephants far across the sea on another continent stand still. They had been listening and waiting for this time.  Elephants have extra sensitive pads for feet.  Through these pads they felt the pounding of the Buffalo hooves come through the Earth and into their great beings. The Elephants then trumpeted their vibratory sound loud into the Air in celebration. The Air carried the Elephant's vibrating sound out over the deepest part of the ocean where the great Whale pods were waiting for this moment in time. And the Whales came up and breathed in the vibrating Air and took it down into the depths of the great Waters where it was released through their sonar song, back into the firery Heart of the Mother, the core of the Earth.

As I watched and felt the harmony of these things happening, I asked, What is the purpose of these animals working together like this? And I saw from above, the globe of the Earth, and I saw her spin faster, and I understood this to mean that it is our primordial record keeper animals that keep this Earth moving on her axis.  When we put boundaries around their movement they cannot do their work, thus, the Earth slows and the Earth must compensate by releasing her energy through what we would call natural disasters.

Returning to this vision I saw these things happening around a great wheel, and I recognized that the Buffalo were in the North, the Elephants were in the East, and the Whales were in the West, and I asked, Who was supposed to be in the South?  Then in the South I saw a two legged Human being of no specific color, gender, or label.  And I asked what was the role of this Human standing in the South.  And I was shown that this Human was all of us, the whole Human species as we were intended to be--Stewards of this Earth-- as if we were a herd or a pod--a unit, feeling and doing as One in order to balance the wheel of our great Earth Mother.

Who am I to have such a vision, who am I to tell all of you this story?  Quite simply, and in my highest truth, I am each and every one of you and You are every part of me. There is no separation except for what we carry in our minds.  The Earth sees us as one equal unit, and ultimately, She does not need us for anything.  In a blink of an eye the proud, indignant, self-indulgent, self-pitying Human species could be wiped from the face of this Earth, and not one living thing would miss us or the mess we have created.  Humbling? Yes indeed. It is our privilege to be here.

Long before Indiginous peoples walked this Earth there walked the Woolly Mammoth and the Bison, and long before them there was dust, before dust, there was just a Pulse. This Pulse (the Universal Language of all Life) originated within the firery core of the Earth as her heart beat.  This Pulse made the dust play and bounce until over aeons of time its particles took on many forms. As the Pulse set these new forms into motion, it also encoded them with an individual Pulse that beat in harmony with the original heart beat of their Source. This Pulse then became the foundation for the Circle of Life, the never ending connection of all Living Things.   The bones of the Ancient Mammoth and the Bison have since resurfaced and they speak to us of Ancient Wisdom.  They speak to us of a time when Humans moved among them as predator and as prey; they too lived in herds and moved together to survive.

In these times of great change We Are All Being Called To Remember Who We Have Been and Who We Are Now Here To Be.

Much of what we call "our history" has come and gone and the one thing we are led to believe that we all have in common, is our separateness.  But if we remember that we All originated from the same place and time, before there were words and mindsets to distort our unity, we would remember our Pulse, and the Pulse in one another.  Unless we are physically dead, that Pulse connects each and everyone of us because it originated before ANYTHING else.

Buffalo Wisdom speaks of social order, family structure, culture, and tradition.  As a Human species we once not only walked among them, we learned from them how to move as one unit.  We learned that if we weren't a functioning part of the whole Circle of Life, we didn't survive. And we evolved, and all hell broke loose. The Buffalo that leave Yellowstone Park hold the genetic encoding of their ancient prairie ancestors, their Pulse has not been dumbed down by domestication. They know they must move, together, in order to do their work.  They come out of the park to help us remember..........and they are literally stopped 'dead' by forces who do not want us to remember. Our memory bonds us and it makes us a stronger force--together.

It is in our remembering who we once were together that will bring us to who we are here to be today.  Each and every one of us not only has the same innate Pulse, we were also given a gift, a piece of the puzzle of our continued, higher existence.  Each of us has a responsibility now more than ever to find and bring our gift 'peace' to the grand puzzle. Some of us do this individually, some of us are part of a group that makes up a quarter or a third of the whole puzzle.

And it is here that I see the American Indian of this moment in time, not the wounded of the past, not the hero of the future, but the key to the great healing of the planet right now.  I once heard that if a person has a great idea, he should give it away, pass it out to all those he comes in contact with, and in doing so he will be successful in whatever it is he wishes to accomplish. He will succeed as the most looked up to and most sought after for his knowledge and his wisdom and his generosity.  If You were to share Your tools of connection--the gifts of the Sacred Ways in the most purest way of Your hearts, no one could take them from You.  But we could all learn from You.  No one could misrepresent them or you, because you were already out there sharing them the right way, the way they were intended----to bring the people together, to hold Sacred the Earth, and our place upon her. No one would want to seek out a person who you might call a "plastic shaman" or potential fraud-----there wouldn't be a market for them because the real authentic Medicine Men and Women were available. You as a Nation have the power to heal the world and yet you fight rather than teach and share.  Battles waste precious time and resources, imagine what you could accomplish with the energy of the huge network you have, if you turned from a fighting cirlcle to a healing circle.  Imagine all the lives you would touch.  ALL of Our children are suffering hate, war, drugs, alcohol, TV, loss of family culture, poverty--- while your most useful healing energy is tied up in a battle that does not have a means to an end.  This continent is hungry for what YOU have to feed them.  That is a tremendous and powerful opportunity, AND, responsibility.

I say these things to you all because my heart is pure and my heart is open, and I am one of the hungry who wishes to be fed by the gift of your Sacred Wisdom.  If we could stand together, shoulder to shoulder, heart to heart, I would beam with the highest respect and honor for you, and you would know me and have the same honor and respect for me,  And we would be good friends because we would share the same Sacred Ground beneath our feet. This whole Earth is our Common Ground.  All of us are searching, trying desperately to remember and hear our own Pulse again.  All of us are worthy of the love of the connected Heart.

Long ago I read something that gave me such hope for the future, I never forgot what it said because it touched me deeply, and I've been waiting for the real thing ever since:

"There will come a time when the Red Skinned People will come forward to teach the White Skinned People, and the White Skinned

people will be grateful for this wisdom and all will thrive."

It is with humble appreciation for who you all really are that I say these things to you. This is my statement.

One seed can start a garden,

One drop can start a sea,

One hurt can start a hating,

One dream can set us free.

Let it be so,

Monica RavenHeart

*************
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 23, 2008, 04:10:25 pm
I was just contacting Cat to see if she was going to post this information...interesting read eh?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on May 23, 2008, 04:22:51 pm
Just a minor side note ;

Quote from: Tsisqua reply 533
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The IP number on the mail header is definately in the US...I wont post it...but I have it on the email..I can forward it to anyone who needs varification.
The email posted in reply 525 by Tsisqua from Rachel is a gmail .

thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com

I have been told gmail doesn't show the ISP of the sender. i'm not sure if this is true, but the information below seems to confirm this.

http://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/qt/ipaddressemail.htm

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Internet Email Services and IP Addresses
Finally, the popular Internet-based email services differ greatly in their use of IP addresses in email headers. Use these tips to identify IP addresses in such mails. Google's Gmail service omits the sender IP address information from all headers. Instead, only the IP address of Gmail's mailserver is shown in Received: from. This means it is impossible to find a sender's true IP address in a received Gmail.

Sorry to distract from the main dialog - I really admire the people who have done so much hard work to educate the public about this woman!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on May 23, 2008, 04:32:19 pm
yep is.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 23, 2008, 04:37:32 pm
Well then....the ip must belong to gmail I guess....you learn something new every day eh

Added note: Just a thought...if Rachel were infact where she's listed as being...ie Israel & Egypt.....would the gmail still show up as a US ip number? Google is all over the world...(GMAIL)...so surely...the fact that the ip number on the email...of which I'll now post since its merely a company ip and not someones personal ip...would indicate she is infact in the US? Or am I just being a dumbass? I doubt an email sent via Gmail...from Israel would go via CA would it?

From Mail Header:

X-Originating-IP: [74.125.46.155]
Return-Path: <thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com>
Received: from 74.125.46.155  Thu, 22 May 2008 00:54:26 -0700

IP trace:

IP address: 74.125.46.155
IP address country:  United States 
IP address state: California
IP address city: Mountain View
IP postcode: 94043
IP address latitude: 37.419201
IP address longitude: -122.057404


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Moma_porcupine on May 23, 2008, 05:25:18 pm
I'm not sure about the details of how gmail works.... but I don't think you are a dumbass .... I understand the surface of some of the  technical stuff but indepth makes my eyes glaze over. The only reason i know about gmail is i use it myself and sometimes I would not feel safe to email some of the people I do , if I didn't know gmail doesn't reveal my ISP.

On another subject ...

That Monica Ravenheart is a great example of fuzzy mushy blurry newage thinking ...

Monica Ravenheart
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Much of what we call "our history" has come and gone and the one thing we are led to believe that we all have in common, is our separateness.  But if we remember that we All originated from the same place and time, before there were words and mindsets to distort our unity, we would remember our Pulse, and the Pulse in one another.  Unless we are physically dead, that Pulse connects each and everyone of us because it originated before ANYTHING else.

Ok so, because all life has the same origins and is one on some level, why does this person think it follows that any interaction , even if one of the people experiences this as a violation , is just "sharing" between unified brothers and sisters. If someone walks into her house and desecrates the pictures of her desceased loved ones by doing something with these pictures that goes against everything she believes and values , would she still go on about how it is all one and comes from the same source? If our underlying unity makes our right to protect and maintain what is personally important to us irrelevent, I wonder if she would give some poor Native families unconditional access to her bank account , and house and car  ...  After all, we are all one and everything comes from the same source - or is this idea of unity and oneness only meaning that non natives should be able to help themselves to whatever belongs to Indians?

Monica Ravenheart
 
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If You were to share Your tools of connection--the gifts of the Sacred Ways in the most purest way of Your hearts, no one could take them from You.  But we could all learn from You.  No one could misrepresent them or you, because you were already out there sharing them the right way, the way they were intended----to bring the people together, to hold Sacred the Earth, and our place upon her. No one would want to seek out a person who you might call a "plastic shaman" or potential fraud-----there wouldn't be a market for them because the real authentic Medicine Men and Women were available. You as a Nation have the power to heal the world and yet you fight rather than teach and share. 


Why does this woman imagine what is a Sacred way for one people living in a particular enviroment and community can be "shared" with an entirely different people in an entirely differnet environment? Even Native people don't usually share there sacred ways with tribes who have a very different culture. You don't see the Tlingit learning Hopi cermonies or the Lakota imitating the Makah. Whats wrong with the idea of just being who you are, and doing your duty to be responsible for keeping your relationships respectful?

Monica Ravenheart
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I say these things to you all because my heart is pure and my heart is open, and I am one of the hungry who wishes to be fed by the gift of your Sacred Wisdom

Yep ... I know this woman doesn't see it this way, but it sounds like pure hearted gimme gimee gimme .... IMO What she is looking for is much more likely to be found by finding the real things each of us has to give, not in what we hungrily imagine might exist, that we hope we might get.

Sigh ... Her mixed up reasoning to justify her fantasies and hopes of claiming some sort of moral entitlement are so typical....

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 24, 2008, 06:03:42 am
Manifest Destiny, the New Age version . . . You sure called that one right, Spaewife.

This definitely was not the reply I was hoping for. I'd hoped RavenHeart would listen to reason, but I guess I set my goals too high with this one. She sounds like a devout disciple of Rachel Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum.


Pulse/heartbeat of Mother Earth and Grandmother Drum

Monica RavenHeart
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Long before Indiginous peoples walked this Earth there walked the Woolly Mammoth and the Bison, and long before them there was dust, before dust, there was just a Pulse. This Pulse (the Universal Language of all Life) originated within the firery core of the Earth as her heart beat.  This Pulse made the dust play and bounce until over aeons of time its particles took on many forms. As the Pulse set these new forms into motion, it also encoded them with an individual Pulse that beat in harmony with the original heart beat of their Source. This Pulse then became the foundation for the Circle of Life, the never ending connection of all Living Things.

Rachel Holzwarth
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The oldest and most eternal sound we know is our own mothers heartbeat which is the echo of the heartbeat of her mother and her mother going back since time immemorial. This eternal beat is the song of our home, it's the song of who we are, it is the song of life. As we pulse Mother Earth with our drum heartbeat we renew and strengthen our love as the only answer and the only alchemy to heal ourselves and restore our Mother Earth to her Original Dream of Wholeness.
http://whirlingrainbow.com/global.htm


"We are all one"

Monica Ravenheart
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It is in our remembering who we once were together that will bring us to who we are here to be today.  Each and every one of us not only has the same innate Pulse, we were also given a gift, a piece of the puzzle of our continued, higher existence.  Each of us has a responsibility now more than ever to find and bring our gift 'peace' to the grand puzzle. Some of us do this individually, some of us are part of a group that makes up a quarter or a third of the whole puzzle.

Rachel Holzwarth
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Among the Navaho and Hopi, the Whirling Rainbow is a prophecy and a promise of peace for all Nations and all people through the understanding that all races are one. The Whirling Rainbow vision is to unite the people of the five sacred colors; all creeds working together for the good of the whole. When all pathways to wholeness are respected by all cultures, the prophecy of the Whirling Rainbow will be realized.
http://whirlingrainbow.com/index.htm


Monica RavenHeart worked with Bennie Lebeau a few years ago. Guess we really couldn't expect anything more from her.


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. . . I send my heartfelt wishes and prayers that the battle you are fighting will come to an end in peaceful and unified solution, so that the next generations can use those very traditions and ceremonies you hold so dear to teach community, rather than war, and the importance of oneness to all peoples in times to come.

I guess we can see from her second e-mail exactly how she sees this wish of her's being fulfilled. Teach us, teach us, teach us. We want to know, so you have to teach us. We're going to take it anyway, so you might as well give it to us peacefully.


Interesting though that Holzwarth is selling tickets to something RavenHeart describes as a private ceremony for her deceased friend. RavenHeart says she contacted Holzwarth and got that straightened out. Yeah, right.

So, where do we go from here?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Tsisqua on May 24, 2008, 12:18:58 pm
If it were a private ceremony.....who the heck sells tickets?? Something doesnt sit right there. Has anyone purchased a ticket to attend?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 24, 2008, 01:12:57 pm
Monica RavenHeart
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I appreciate you offering me the opportunity to clarify with you several of your concerns.  First let me state that neither Bison Vision nor Walks With Burros organizations are hosting any such event.  I contacted Suraj after viewing her website in regards to a personal question.  I sent her a personal email and in that email I shared information about Bison Vison and gave her the website address to show her pictures of land near where I am from, as a bit of history about myself.  Now it would seem that that information has been misused not once but twice.  In defense of those two organizations, I take full responsibility for any misperception your group may have, as I can certainly see why you have sited that information.
 
In light of my right to privacy, I will share with you my intentions and perspective connection to Suraj in hopes that it will dispell any fears you may have of misrepresentation of Native American traditions and ceremonies.  A dear friend of mine passed away two years ago.  It was her wish that when the time was right, that I hold a specific ceremony for her on her land.  We had both studied sacred geometry, which is a universal language in itself, and she had hoped for me to use the Metatron configuration on her small acreage before it would be released for sale.  When I came across Suraj's website (on her work with sacred geometry) I felt in my heart that she was the one to help me do this work.  Contrary to what you are saying, this woman has a gift to be shared and her work for global peace and unity is very much in attunement with my own, and with the need for peace on earth right now. Thus this "event" that it seems to have now become, has been blown way out of porportion. It was not intended to be made public nor presented in the way in which it was.  I received that bulletin and promptly corrected it, but it would seem that it was not before it lit a fire.

Rachel Holzwarth
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EVENTS:
JUNE 17th Metatron Graduation Ceremony and Teachings
June 18-21, 2008 Yellowstone Portal Activation Ceremonies.

These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands.

Costs: All five days $444.

*
( if you have already paid for the June 17th, your balance is $333.

Addtional details of food and lodging will follow this email by the weekend.

FLY IN LOCATION:
Bozeman, MT

LOCATION:
These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands. This work is being announced ONLY to our immediate family. This is not a public event and we will not be listed on our website.

OUR HOST: Monica Ravenhart
Monica has worked extensively with the healing and dimensional work of the Bison. Bision Vision is a center for cultural and environmental enrichment, offering unity-based teaching for all ages around the social structure of an intact bison herd--to show the importance of place and purpose for each individual in today's society. They strive to bring peoples of all walks of life into the fold of a new and bonding culture--the culture of the Heart. Bison Vision is based in Livingston, MT but our cultural enrichment center is located in eastern Montana on 3,000 acres of pristine prairie land.

This land sings of buffalo hooves and moccasined footsteps of a pre-war minded peoples. You may view some photos of this land at www.walkswithburros.com

PLEASE NOTE: If you are registered for the Global Eden Event you will need to contact their office directly yourself if you chose to cancel and join us.

We trust that Spirit will guide all hearts in truth and where they need to be to work for unity and peace to open and anchor this Portal for the Star Seeding.

We will be in contact with more details by this weekend.


Seems that Holzwarth took a one-day invitation to do a private ceremony for RavenHeart's deceased friend and turned it into a five-day event. This woman has no shame. She'll twist and turn and steal from anyone.

I really question RavenHeart's intentions, too. Even after knowing that Holzwarth did this, she still defends her. She has seen in black and white that Holzwarth is selling tickets for a five-day event on her property and still thinks Holzwarth is a good woman.

Monica RavenHeart
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You may continue to condemn Suraj's work if you feel you must, but you do not have the right to condemn the woman and her friendships.
Rachel Holzwarth IS her work. You cannot separate the woman from her message and her actions.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on May 26, 2008, 09:23:37 am
Just got this email from a friend in Pine Ridge the people are trying to get the word in South Dakota.

Subject: FW: Whirling Rainbow WORD NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT

sent to me.....asked to be shared........

This is CRAZY - I looked at the website and it is really, REAL.  She's planning on being in South Dakota @ Bear Butte to do a healing ceremony!

 ALL MY NATIVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY,

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS FRAUD TO YOUR ATTENTION SO THAT YOU WOULD BE AWARE OF HER AND HER SO CALLED "PRAYERFORMANCES" IF YOU WERE NOT ALREADY AWARE. HER NAME IS RACHEL HOLWARTH BUT SHE IS USING THE "NATIVE NAME" OF WHITE EAGLE WOMAN. SHE IS TRAVELING THE UNITED STATES CHARGING FOR SO CALLED NATIVE TEACHINGS AND CEREMONIES USING A 7 FOOT DRUM SHE HAS NAMED THE GRANDMOTHER DRUM. SHE IS GOING TO OKLAHOMA, TEXAS, ALASKA, OHIO, MICHIGAN, WASHINGTON D.C., AND I BELIEVE TO SOUTH DAKOTA.

PEOPLE HAVE MANAGED TO GET HER PERFORMANCES CANCELLED IN OHIO AND MICHIGAN AND NOW IT FALLS TO OTHERS AS WELL AS OURSELVES TO GET HER CANCELLED NATIONWIDE.
 
IT IS A DISGRACE HOW SHE HAS MANAGED TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING WHAT SHE IS DOING IS TRADITIONAL NATIVE CEREMONIES WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS SHE IS ONLY A PERFORMER, ACTOR, FRAUD, AND SCAM ARTIST.
 
BELOW IS WHERE TO FIND MORE INFORMATION ON HER AND HER SCHEDULE AS WELL AS HER FEES, CEREMONIES, AND THOSE WHO ARE PROTESTING HER GROSS AND BLATANT DISRESPECT FOR OUR WAY OF LIFE.

If you haven't looked at her website yet, you won't believe it--she is the worst kind of "new ager".  www.whirlingrainbow.com .  It's incredible that she is an "educational 501c3 organization".  AIIA managed to get her events cancelled in Ohio and Michigan.

Someone started an anti-Whirling Rainbow myspace page.  Check this out and if you like, share it with others so this woman is stopped from disrespecting Native American culture, traditions and ceremonies.

 
http://www.myspace.com/istealfromndns

Here's a YouTube video I find about her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9nptu77IQ&e

 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on May 26, 2008, 10:04:41 am
Well...Im figuring that since this seems to be the only venue left...all efforts can be put into this...to make sure Rachel gets a similar greeting.

Im thinking since she's continuing with the songs...ceremony...etc...the SD Nations now need contacting...the elders....local AIM chapters etc...all with a view to representing our people there....and letting the ndn voices be heard above the twinkie drum banging.

We've got the Cheyenne River Sioux, Crow Creek Sioux, Lower Brule Sioux, Oglala Sioux, Rosebud Sioux, Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux, Yankton Sioux, and the Flandreau Santee Sioux Nations in South Dakota...

Contact info:

Gregg Bourland, Chairman
Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 590
Eagle Butte, SD 57625
P: 605/964-4155
F: 605/964-4155
(Cheyenne River)

Duane Big Eagle, Chairman
Crow Creek Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 50
Fort Thompson, SD 57339
P: 605/245-2221
F: 605/245-2470
(Crow Creek)

Richard P. Allen, President
Flandreau Santee Sioux Executive Committee
P.O. Box 283
Flandreau, SD 57028
P: 605/997-3891
F: 605/997-3878
(Aberdeen Area)

Micheal B. Jandreau, Chairman
Lower Brule Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 187
Lower Brule, SD 57548
P: 605/473-5561
F: 605/473-5606
(Lower Brule)

John Yellow Bird Steele, President
Oglala Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box H
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
P: 605/867-5821
F: 605/867-5659
(Pine Ridge)

William Kindle, President
Rosebud Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 430
Rosebud, SD 57570
P: 605/747-2381
F: 605/747-2243
(Rosebud)

Andrew Grey, Sr., Chairman
Sisseton - Wahpeton Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 509
Agency Village, SD 57262
P: 605/698-3911
F: 605/698-3708
(Sisseton)

Darrell Drapeau, Chairman
Yankton Sioux Tribal Business & Claims Comm.
P.O. Box 248
Marty, SD 57361
P: 605/384-3804
F: 605/384-5687
(Yankton)

The AIM Chapter in South Dakota:

Mike Wicks
P.O. Box 232
Peever, SD 57257

Mike.Wicks@mindless.com



Here is the corrected list 2008:

Oglala Lakota
President John Steele
Oglala Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box H
Pine Ridge, SD 57770
P: 605/867-5821
F: 605/867-5659

Rosebud
Rodney M. Bordeaux - Tribal President
Rosebud Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 430
Rosebud, SD 57570
P: 605/747-2381
F: 605/747-2243

Lower Brule
Micheal B. Jandreau, Chairman
Lower Brule Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 187
Lower Brule, SD 57548
P: 605/473-5561
F: 605/473-5606

Cheyenne River
Joe Brings Plenty, Sr.
Cheyenne River Sioux Tribal Council
P.O. Box 590
Eagle Butte, SD 57625
P: 605/964-4155

Standing Rock
Ron His Horse Is Thunder
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
Standing Rock Administration Service Center
Building No. 1
North Standing Rock Ave.
Fort Yates, ND 58538
701-854-7201
www.standingrock.org

Flandeau
Joshua Weston
Flandreau Santee Sioux
P.O. Box 283, 603 W. Broad Avenue
Flandreau, South Dakota 57028
605/997-3891
1-888-922-0016
fax:605/997-3878
info@fsst.org

Sisseton/Wahpeton
Mike Selvage
PO Box 509
Agency Village, SD 57262-0509
Phone (605) 698-3911
Fax (605) 698-3708

Yankton
Robert Cournoyer
PO Box 248
Marty, SD 57361-0248
Phone (605) 384-3641
Fax (605) 384-5687

Crow Creek
Lester Thompson, Jr.
Chairman-Elect: Brandon Sazue, Sr.

PO Box 50
Ft. Thompson, SD 57339-0050
Phone (605) 245-2221
Fax (605) 245-2470

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 26, 2008, 01:21:55 pm
Just an FYI
She was not cancelled in Michigan, she came and was confronted by AIM.  AIIA stepped in and made her not use her drum or wear her regalia.  Dennis has requested AIM everywhere to "STOP HER" and all others like her.
Her next stop is in Bear Butte.  Just as she did in Michigan she has gone underground and has made it a private ceremony that is not being publicized.  We have the location, so we need people there to protest, we need to keep this peaceful since we are not the criminals, we do not want to end up in jail.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 26, 2008, 02:55:10 pm
Here are a couple of links to Videos of the Michigan meeting and AIM protests after she went underground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtJYR-neIY&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oIZfiVh9Ss
You may also want to know about Jay Fulton's website describing where one of our warriors was beaten and pepper sprayed by the police at one of her events, long before Ohio and Michigan.  Pay attention to the blood that was wiped on the drum!
http://jayfulton.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/grandmother_peace_drum_and_pepper-spray/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on May 26, 2008, 04:37:10 pm
Let me know where she will be when she come to South dakota so i can send the word out
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 26, 2008, 08:05:03 pm
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A few days ago I wrote to Rachel...to try to find out about her upcoming performances...aside from her scheduale on her web site etc...(Since we all knew most of these are confirmed as cancelled etc I wanted to hear it from her)...I claimed to be an interested fellow new ager....this is the reply I received.


Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:54:25
From: "The Whirling Rainbow Foundation White Eagle" <thewhirlingrainbowfoundation@gmail.com> 
To: "Fry Bread" <fry_bread_72@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hello



Hi,
 
Thnak you very much for your letter and words. Our 2008 USA tour schedule is just about wrapped up for the year so we will not be doing a prayerformance in the states. However you are free to meet up with us in South Dakota at the Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering at the end of June 2008. I appreciate whatever you have to share.
 
We are aware of the AIM group and met with many of them in a Peace Circle in Michigan. Most of the "issues" and website blogs are made by people who have never attended our work nor have any understanding. We are clear in our hearts about our international healing work and have had tens of thousands over the last seven years feel the same. We are respectful of the difference people feel in practicing their own spiritual path and we appreiciate that same respect to practice the path our organization has been guided to follow. We are clear about our place in the unity of the hoop and look forward to more bringing more peace and understanding.
 
Many blessings of peace dear sister,
 
White Eagle


[/quote]

June 26 -  29, 2008


SPIRITUAL UNITY OF TRIBES – GATHERING OF EAGLES

Black Hills, South Dakota

Bear Butte Lodge area.

Northwest side of Bear Butte, outside the city of Sturgis.

Coming Together in Unity

The Spiritual Unity of Tribes is a gathering of all people from all nations uniting spiritually through sharing and respecting each other's traditions and philosophies of life. 

Lodging / Meals

Primitive camping is available on-site.  Limited showers are also available this year.  If you require electricity, the Free Spirit campground is available just past the Bear Butte Lodge.  Elders will be housed in the Bear Butte Lodge itself.

If you prefer a motel/hotel/B&B, there are many to choose from in the Sturgis area.  Call the Sturgis Chamber of Commerce, 605.347.2556 or go to their website at http://www.sturgis-sd.org  One potluck meal each day.  Contact Arlis, the Kitchen Coordinator, at 605.578.3796.  Bring all other food and supplies.  We would like to assist as many Elders as possible with their transportation expenses.  Please contact us if you are able to help with the "Sponsor an Elder Program."

Gathering of Eagles, P.O. Box 1162, Hill City, SD 57745

Mary Ellen and Clay at 605.341.0724  dcu777@rushmore.com

Gena at 605.673.5946  moebius2012@hotmail.com

http://www.spiritualunityofthetribes.org.au/

http://www.sdgfp.info/Parks/Regions/NorthernHills/BearButte2.htm

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Wait a minute! Did y'all forget about her relocated Yellowstone Event? Are we just going to let this one happen? I know they aren't advertising this one; it's supposed to be a "private" affair. Thanks to Cat, we do know about it. From what Holzwarth says in her e-mail, it's going to take place on sacred land. There's got to be something we can do about this.


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CHANGES to GrandMother Drum In Yellowstone, Montana June 17-21, 2008

IMPORTANT

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:51:36 -0400

From: The Whirling Rainbow Foundation White Eagle ..


Beloved Family,

THE GLOBAL EDEN EVENT HAS CANCELLED GRANDMOTHER DRUM INTERNATIONAL PEACE PROJECT PARTICIPATION THE JUNE 17-21, 2008 GATHERING:

PLEASE READ THE DETAILS OF THE CHANGES!

As many of you know we have been working with challenges from the Native Community throughout our 2008 Healing Waters tour. Our GrandMothers and Grandfathers have been clear in their guidance to us about this and we feel this is all happening perfectly to move us and prepare us for a much grander global work of promoting the TRIBE OF ONENESS.

The Healing of the Waters has begun!

Yesterday May 7th, Global Eden Event Director Joe Crane called us to cancel our contract for The GrandMother Drum International Peace Project participation in the 2008 Global Eden Event in Yellowstone, Montana.

Though we have put in many hours, contacts and meetings and have been deeply dedicated to the vision and mission of the Gathering of One since Dec 07, it seems that the issues and threats that the Eden Event is having with the native american community has now been more focused at our peace project. They simply do not want to have the tension at their gathering.

We were disappointed as we felt we had developed a deep and trusting relationship with the committee over these months and and they deeply know our hearts and our work.

Additionally, we just recently met with the Native Community here in Troy Michigan in a Peace Circle Friday night. What is happening is extremely powerful and we feel monumental in all that is happening towards a deeper understanding of unity, peace and the Tribe of Oneness. As the light grows, so too does that which needs healing. We are clear that we are all in the Portal Activation of a much larger hoop of work. Aho!

We, including our hosts (Ed and Annette Jones at The Center of Light and Gail and Ted Miller of Consious Mind Magazine) and their community here in Michigan also felt our work here went very well and was a huge breakthrough. We are continuing with another GMD Project event here in Michigan this coming weekend.


GRANDMOTHER DRUM PROJECT NEW YELLOWSTONE EVENT:

As one door closed, another one opened immediately! We have, within the same day been contacted by Monica Ravenhart of Bison Vision and we will now host our work near Livingston, Montana during this same period. We are honored as this feels so much more in alignment to our hearts work.

We had a session with Metatron and the Grandfathers this morning which was very clear in guidance. We will share more of this during the Summer Solstice work.

Monica has done extensive work on the songlines, especially working with the issue of the atrocity of the slaughter of Bison and the disruption to their migration from Yellowstone to the Black Hills of South Dakota.

Please also read about the Gathering of the Eagles in South Dakota that we will be attending after our work in Yellowstone, Montana in case you want to stay on for this Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering: http://www.sut-gatheringofeagles.org.
(Contact Mary Ellen Uptain for details

DETAILS:

EVENTS:
JUNE 17th Metatron Graduation Ceremony and Teachings
June 18-21, 2008 Yellowstone Portal Activation Ceremonies.

These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands.

Costs: All five days $444.
*
( if you have already paid for the June 17th, your balance is $333.

Addtional details of food and lodging will follow this email by the weekend.


FLY IN LOCATION:
Bozeman, MT

LOCATION:
These five days will be held outside of Bozeman on private sacred lands. This work is being announced ONLY to our immediate family. This is not a public event and we will not be listed on our website.

OUR HOST: Monica Ravenhart
Monica has worked extensively with the healing and dimensional work of the Bison. Bision Vision is a center for cultural and environmental enrichment, offering unity-based teaching for all ages around the social structure of an intact bison herd--to show the importance of place and purpose for each individual in today's society. They strive to bring peoples of all walks of life into the fold of a new and bonding culture--the culture of the Heart. Bison Vision is based in Livingston, MT but our cultural enrichment center is located in eastern Montana on 3,000 acres of pristine prairie land.

This land sings of buffalo hooves and moccasined footsteps of a pre-war minded peoples. You may view some photos of this land at www.walkswithburros.com

PLEASE NOTE: If you are registered for the Global Eden Event you will need to contact their office directly yourself if you chose to cancel and join us.

We trust that Spirit will guide all hearts in truth and where they need to be to work for unity and peace to open and anchor this Portal for the Star Seeding.

We will be in contact with more details by this weekend.



Blessings,

--
White Eagle Medicine Woman
Director, International Healer and DrumKeeper
The GrandMother Drum Intl.
Peace Project
The Whirling Rainbow Foundation
Po Box 2822
Palmer, Alaska 99645
011-1-907-745-5636
http://www. whirlingrainbow. com

This information is all quoted from page 22 of this website.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on May 27, 2008, 03:15:57 am
i find evdence that the whirlingrainbow group have been selling eagle feathers on line and sending through  the mail since dec 13 2003
please pass this info to the fish and game the took her feathers from her

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/
this is the first time that the sight had a online store
no telling how long they were selling them before the on line store
but if the gov would do a full disclosure on her accounts mabey they will find where she got them in the first place
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 27, 2008, 10:17:08 am
she got many of the eagle feathers in Australia.  She tried to defend her posession of the eagle feathers (almost in tears) when she told us in MIchigan that Fish and Wildlife was taking them"even though they come from Australia"  She had found a dead eagle by the side of the road when she was there.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: zoi lightfoot on May 27, 2008, 11:17:07 am
ALL Rapters are covered by the international CITES restrictions,a concept beyond this womans limited knowledge..apparently.Fiding a dead eagle in australia require's the same notification there as it does in the USA and Canada.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 27, 2008, 01:41:50 pm
That's one big eagle, she's been selling the feathers on-line for several years, (smudge Feathers) and make a costume out of these also, wings and all. Makes me wonder.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 27, 2008, 05:19:05 pm
Her wings were taken away.  and we know how prevalent eagles are in Alaska.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: coyote on May 27, 2008, 07:35:16 pm
Suraj has a cellphone #  for while she's in Isreal  050 8526671
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on May 28, 2008, 03:12:19 am
did fish and game get the feathers that were on the drum?
pictures show that they were all around it
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 28, 2008, 08:46:55 am
Thry took everything they found except some "painted chicken feathers".  They did say if we knew where she was going to "land" next we should call FWS there and they would go check her out.  She is under active investigation and next time it will be worse for her.  DNA works wonders!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 28, 2008, 07:07:07 pm
Manifest Destiny; the New Age version - Letter and Statement from Monica Ravenheart

Okay, it all started when I contacted Bison Vision (Monica Ravenheart) regarding bringing Suraj to do there to do her thing.  This is the response we got:

******

Hi All
Back home from the road trip - Spaewife - thanks for posting that for us we appreciate it.  Got alot of catchin up to do....
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: porkypine on May 30, 2008, 05:15:05 am
...snip....

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...snip...
Monica has done extensive work on the songlines, especially working with the issue of the atrocity of the slaughter of Bison and the disruption to their migration from Yellowstone to the Black Hills of South Dakota.


uh... I appreciate their effort to save the Yellowstone buffalo from the cattle ranchers in Montana who want to kill them all, but the buffalo leaving the western door of Jellystone are not trying to migrate to the Black Hills.  They just want the closest accessible grass at a lower elevation.


...snip....

Quote
OUR HOST: Monica Ravenhart
Monica has worked extensively with the healing and dimensional work of the Bison. Bision Vision is a center for cultural and environmental enrichment, offering unity-based teaching for all ages around the social structure of an intact bison herd--to show the importance of place and purpose for each individual in today's society. They strive to bring peoples of all walks of life into the fold of a new and bonding culture--the culture of the Heart. Bison Vision is based in Livingston, MT but our cultural enrichment center is located in eastern Montana on 3,000 acres of pristine prairie land.

This land sings of buffalo hooves and moccasined footsteps of a pre-war minded peoples. You may view some photos of this land at www.walkswithburros.com
   ahahahaahhahahahahahahahahhahahaha     sheesh!  sorry for laughing...  but my hubby's people is FROM Salmon area of Idaho and the tribes in that area of Idaho, Montana are NOT peaceful and pre-warlike!  Absalooke (Crow), Peigan )Blackfoot), Nemeepoo (Nez Perce) Flathead, Shoshone?  at peace with each other in the old days?  NO WAY in h-e-double-toothpics were they non-or pre-warlike with each other!!
  ahahahaha..   such a silly thing to say....
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 30, 2008, 05:32:52 am
Suraj has a cellphone #  for while she's in Isreal  050 8526671

Hello, coyote. You joined this forum just to give us her phone number? Where'd you get a hold of her cell phone number?


Edit for typo
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on May 30, 2008, 03:40:37 pm
Bennie Bennie Bennie.... From what I have heard - it was you and Suraj coming into the Gatrhering of one and saying "This is how we are gonna do it" you wanted to make it a Native oriented gathering along with Garys support.... now when you were told no by Robbie and Joe - because that wasnt what they were doing.... you left..... BTW people he wanted to teach them the Ghost Dance.... no that wasnt a typo - I was rolling on the floor when i heard that..... WOW....
Cat



On Wed, 5/21/08, Bennie LeBeau <tetonrainbows@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Bennie LeBeau <tetonrainbows@yahoo.com>
Subject: Boycotting Dance of Oneness June 18th-21st

Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2008, 2:27 PM
Please send this message out if you like, its a reply to many who are asking what is happening in West Yellowstone, Montana and the ceremony with the White Nations, Circle of Seven, the Global Eden Event.  Here is what is happening which is a great wake up call for humanity to learn from, this is my feelings, every thing is in order as it should be bring a great awareness about peace and how it works in our Indigenous Nations, thank for your time and efforts for peace and harmony...aho...BlueThunder

 

 

Message to Humanity

Over Who Has the Rights to Do Ceremonies

In the Homelands of the Indigenous Nations

 

The Dance of Oneness I Will Boycott as An Eastern Shoshone

The Circles of Sevens Have Not Been Iniated to Do Ceremonies In West Yellowstone Montana

 
My heart feels the sadness of Mother Earth's Spirit that the Circles of Sevens has not taken into consideration the protocols of the Stewards of the Lands the Shoshone Nations and how we initiate others to do ceremonies in our homelands in our traditional ways.  I am sending a message to many nations of all colors of humanity of how peace works in our lands.  We are Indigenous Nations of peace in the ways we were given to follow in the Native American Ways to promote peace, it seems this White Nation Group, The Global Eden Project, Circle of Sevens is still following the way of the mind that there ancestors brought to our homelands 500 years ago.  I have no choice but to back away from this ceremony they asked me to help support.  If not then I will be hit with the tribal nations asking if I am working in a traditional manner or now joining those new agers out look of doing ceremonies charging for ceremonies.  This is not what I represent or want others to think that I am selling ceremonies. 
 
I have been asked by my Elders to be a spokes person on their behalf, my Eastern Shoshone Elders from Fort Washakie , Wyoming .  I only took on this situation to promote healing the Volcanic Energy in Yellowstone to do the best that I could to help protect Mother Earth. I have been here working on this Yellowstone Volcano Since 1999.  And now this group has come to disrupt all the work many of the past nations have done healing this volcanic energy by not following our protocols of peace.  Many have sat in peace doing our ceremonies together in one circle under our way of life as Shoshone and other Nations as one.  Many have gathered in peace in the past, in similar ceremonies to bring awareness in the present for peace in the future, such as it was done on May 8th, 2004 healing the Yellowstone Volcano in the Grand Teton Medicine Wheel Ceremony.
 
I  pray that all this that has happened, has happened to help many cultures understand us as Native American's in our ways teaching them how peace works in our ceremonial ways of life we live within  Especially when it come to doing ceremonies, such as dances or seminars or conventions in our homelands.  We have to hear everything that anyone wants to do in our lands as stewards.  Then think about that it will do for the betterment of all living things in the circle of life: For we know thoughts and emotions and actions imprint and impacts Mother Nature under those vibrations that are put out. This is where initiations take place allowing other cultures into our homelands to do ceremonies as we consider all that they have dreamed to happen in visions or new ceremonies to bless things. 
 
When we do not work in a great manner honoring each other we affect all that it is, Mother Earth's Creations; by working together with natures laws in agreement with one another as Indigenous Nations this is our teachings and our ways of life for healthy environments to rebirth around us helps us stay in peace. The lands of abundance return, the Garden of Edens .
 
This situation within the Circles of Sevens in their Global Eden Event will trickle out across this huge Nation of the America ’s about the truth that has happened here in my peoples homelands.  Many thoughts and actions not of great hearts has not healed over what has taken place because not following the Indigenous Nations ways of doing things.  Many are still upset across America because of what has happened and that will affect all of creations life force beings for what has happened in last few months. Especially what has happened to a person that they invited to our homeland to do ceremony with, White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth). Rachel Holzwarth aka Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine woman is looked at as new age exploiter of Native American spirituality. You only have to do a search on Youtube for "Grandmother Drum" to find out what this lady is all about. She claims Seneca (or sometimes Seneca Metis or Tribal Metis) and depending on the crowd will claim other nationalities/ethnicities such as Irish or Celtic or Jewish. She cannot verify her claims and contacts with Seneca communities or confirm she has been initiated or adopted into a Indigenous Nation to do her ceremonies their homelands or our homelands. 
 
Many have forgotten the lands have been stolen in name of greed and materialism that still exists in groups actions that are taking place today. In our Native American ways if anyone has a dream to do something like her or the Circle of Sevens they would come forward and explain there dream and what it instructed them to do.  If the Indigenous group that lived near her or them approved them to do this kind of work in there homelands they would have to initiate them to do that ceremony.  They would now have a huge gathering and present them and honor them as this person so everyone knew that they were Okayed to do this there.  Now if they left and went somewhere else they could now say they had been adopted and okayed to do their work or ceremonial way of life that had been approved of.  And this did not matter if they were enrolled in the tribe or not.  It only mattered that they were now adopted into a very sacred circle of life for the betterment of all things for peace and harmony within that circle to do that ceremony for healing or what it represented.
 
When entering into another Indigenous Nations they would approach that nation also and offer tobacco and ask for permission to do their ceremony there and give the purpose of the intentions of why they are there to do what they are up to explaining every last detail.  If that group then saw it as something that was beneficial to the circle of life for the betterment of all things equally then they would approve it. This now would promote peace and everyone would now hear from the Traditional Leaders that this had been Okayed or initated to do so and all things now would be alright for them to practice their ceremony in the homelands of the Indigenous Nation that they were in.
 
Many Native Americans are upset with the ways the Whiteman are still acting like they can do anything the want in our lands we were given to take that responsibility as stewardship by the Great Spirits covenants our ancestors agreed to.  The White Nations are not honoring what we agreed to in our original instructions for peace to endure in our homelands in our ceremonial ways of life. If we did not follow these ways we were told nature would fall apart and may individuals and groups would turn on each other.  Many things would happen and now we see it happening all around the world as Nature now reacts because of our reactions such as:  Earthquakes, Tornadoes, Volcanoes, Floods, and on an on and on.  The news shows it everyday now and it will only becomes worse if the Nations do not consider peace and stop the greed and materialistic ways of life they are affecting Mother Earth with following the Indigenous Nations teaching of Nature.
 
I have done all I could by asking and asking this Global Eden Project, the Circles of Sevens to consider what I have spoken on behalf of to allow us to work in oneness with our ways as an Indigenous Nation ways of peace.  To no avail has this worked out to get this ceremony worked out and to approve of the initiation process for this ceremony to take place. I have tried my best to using our ways as an Indigenous Nations member of the Eastern Shoshone Nation working a a Peace Maker of my homelands Protocols for the betterment of all of creations life forces.  I feel they the Circles of Sevens have chosen the road of selfishness in greed and materialism in what they feel they want and that is the bottom line of the disagreement, It is there way period and I have been pushed into a corner and have not had not much of a say so for them considering what I have presented to them on the behalf of my Shoshone Peoples Nations ways of life I consider to be truth. 
 
I have done my best to get them to consider what this meant for many months, enduring the agony and pain in emotions that I endured working with them to get them to consider our ways.  They have chosen not to follow our ways of our Shoshone Nations that are similar to the other Native American Tribes in America and the America's as a whole, as one;  And the call this a gathering of oneness? There for I ask all Indigenous Nations not to participate in this ceremony because of what has happened and is taking place at this moment: For they are still there and plan to do what they want without our initiation for them to do this Dance of Oneness.  For it is not of oneness that they are representing because of greed, about money and egos.
 
Blessings are to those that chose to join us in a new location within the Grand Tetons on June 18th to June 21st, 2008 as we now prepare to move to a new site to bless the Yellowstone Volcanic Energy from that location. The area we will be negotiating with will be in the Bridger Teton National Forest in view of the Grand Teton Peaks , near Jackson Hole , Wyoming .  We are now on the move to find that location. 
 
We are doing our best at this moment to find that location and it is sometimes times tough to getting that permission, I pray that it will be simple and easy to get the permits.  Our homelands are still held in bondage with permits and guidelines held by the National Parks of the Grand Tetons and Yellowstone:  Including the National Forests in the areas of the Grand Tetons so permits have to be negotiated before they will allow us in those areas if there will be more than 75 people or more. 
 
I thank each and everyone for their patience and consideration of our protocols for peaceful intentions within the ceremonies and for the consideration our ways as Native American Tribes in America .   We are still working with many who understand our ways and will join us in our ceremonial ways of life in this Solstice Celebration for this Earth Healing Ceremony to Heal the Super Yellowstone Volcanic Vibrations.  Ahwee hooo...Many thank you's and many blessings to the Circles and Sevens and other Nations may we all walk in peace together in harmony as one following the teaching of peace in our homelands as Indigenous Nations. So Be It...Blessings be for peace, love and harmony to follow.
 
Aho...BlueThunder, Eastern Shoshone Nation, Wind River Indian Reservation, Fort Washakie , Wyoming , 307 851-6249, Email bzahants@yahoo.com, May 15th, 2008
 
Those wanting to join us on June 18th to June 21st are invited to help us work in the healing of Mother Earth, the Yellowstone Volcanic Energy.  We will be in the Grand Teton ’s in the Bridger Teton National Forest Service located on the North Toppings Road above the Triangle X Ranch.  This ceremony will be directly across from the Grand Tetons, near Jackson Hole , Wyoming …please check my websites at: www.earthwisdomfoundation.com and www.teton-rainbows.com .  All nations of all cultures are invited to attend this ceremony at no cost.  This is a ceremony for all Nations and Cultures to attend to begin to understand how to heal Mother Earth’s for coming Garden of Eden’s, we understand the as the great lands of abundance where all things are given freely to us by Mother Earth.  Using our ceremonies keep the gardens growing foods for us, when we need the food, we go out and gather what we need for subsistence for our survival.  Blessing be come join us…Ahwee hooo…BlueThunder
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 30, 2008, 05:59:20 pm
Bennie sure has a way of twisting events to suit his purpose. Sounds like he's trying to distance himself from Holzwarth too, even though he'd been working with her for months. Thanks for posting this, Cat.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on May 30, 2008, 06:57:06 pm
The pot is calling the kettle black.  Seems like we heard from the Gatehring first and now he and Racial Holzwarth are both making out like it is good for them that people are seing through there crap.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on May 30, 2008, 07:35:28 pm
Ain't it a hoot?? They're both uninvited and now they make it look like it was their idea. Why let the truth stand in the way of a good story?


Rachel Holzwarth
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As one door closed, another one opened immediately! We have, within the same day been contacted by Monica Ravenhart of Bison Vision and we will now host our work near Livingston, Montana during this same period. We are honored as this feels so much more in alignment to our hearts work.



Bennie Lebeau
Quote
My heart feels the sadness of Mother Earth's Spirit that the Circles of Sevens has not taken into consideration the protocols of the Stewards of the Lands the Shoshone Nations and how we initiate others to do ceremonies in our homelands in our traditional ways.  I am sending a message to many nations of all colors of humanity of how peace works in our lands.  We are Indigenous Nations of peace in the ways we were given to follow in the Native American Ways to promote peace, it seems this White Nation Group, The Global Eden Project, Circle of Sevens is still following the way of the mind that there ancestors brought to our homelands 500 years ago.  I have no choice but to back away from this ceremony they asked me to help support.  If not then I will be hit with the tribal nations asking if I am working in a traditional manner or now joining those new agers out look of doing ceremonies charging for ceremonies.  This is not what I represent or want others to think that I am selling ceremonies.
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on May 30, 2008, 08:11:08 pm
Probably look bad for their business's if they didn't.  Geeze, these people are manuplative, I guess that part of the game.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on May 30, 2008, 10:47:17 pm
This thread is now result #5 on Google for "suraj holzwarth" (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22suraj+holzwarth%22)

and result #11 for "white eagle medicine woman" (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22white+eagle+medicine+woman%22)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on June 01, 2008, 02:50:16 pm
Number 20 on the first search also. And a couple other sites pointing out she's a fraud are in the top 20 on both searches, including a youtube link, a Peltier support group denouncing her, and threads at American Indian Tribe forum and another for the Eastern Band.

Liked this one.

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http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=110535182
Nice try… but the Onkwehonwe have been fooled too many times to buy into yet another pretentious act of reconciliation.

Let's look at this another way: If someone was fighting for the life of their company/organisation/cash cow, does it stand to reason they'd slap their foreheads, ask "What was I thinking" and immediately cease the offending practice simply because they were asked (or told) to stop because it was 'offensive' or 'disrespectful'?  Not likely.

Suraj Holzwarth may indeed wish for peace.  She most certainly wants the First Nations to back off and let her shuffle around with her stage show - but to believe she's going to stop on her own volition is being naïve.  She needs to be shut down by having her base of support and credibility whittled away to nothing.  'Leaders' are nothing without 'followers' and groups involving money are hollow without cash support.

Holzwarth knows this and from the many cancellations of her traveling show, she's seeing her ersatz and bastardised version of 'Native spirituality' rapidly swirl down the crapper.  Hence, the desperate email calling "… for a Community Peace Circle to address these interests heart to heart".

Plus (from a decidedly cynical vantage) just think of the door receipts from all those people who show up to get inside and express their 'interests'.  Holzwarth's been in this business long enough to know once the cash is in hand, people can say or believe whatever they want.  She'll just move on to the next venue and repeat the process, bolstered by the controversy and attention she's drawing.  No such thing as bad publicity in the entertainment industry.

If she wants to be confronted and have her preposterous methods and beliefs systematically and publicly deconstructed, so be it.  We will be waiting for details that specifically explain "… the heritage of members of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation, concerns about the funding of ceremonies and events, use of ceremonial items, as well as questions regarding the origins of the teachings, ceremonies, and songs of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and GrandMother Drum International Peace Project."

After she has demonstrated absolutely no convincing proof of her Native ethnicity… or that she hasn't personally profited from her ceremonies or events… or shown that her teachings, ceremonies or songs AREN'T liberally lifted from Native culture… the only possible act she could do to redeem herself in the eyes of those she has disrespected would be to publicly destroy her 'Grandmother drum'.

You know as well as I do, that's just not going to happen.  To do so would repudiate years of work and organisation, not to mention openly admitting she's been wrong and has been fleecing thousands of people over the past few years.

CEO's know a graceful gesture – even in the face of obvious culpability – leaves more doors open than it closes.  It's more of a weak "We tried, but those irrational critics wouldn't listen to reason" tactic of turning culprits into victims.  It won't work.

Holzwarth's Michigan charade comes too late (if she's listening to our Native opinions, then why hold the event at all?) and her altruistic invitation lacks any sincerity in its intent ("You can speak your minds, but I'm going to do as I like anyway").

Hopefully, there'll be a peaceful, respectful exchange of ideas in Michigan. 

And hopefully measurable results will be forthcoming as a direct consequence of this exchange.  Lacking results, let the chips fall where they may.  The Creator has a way of sorting such imbalances out and aberrations in nature eventually fade away.  OUR spirituality is based on centuries of proof, not scripted performances, and no amount of feathers, drums or chanting will magically reveal secrets of celestial knowledge.

Regardless of any dialogue, here's a direct message to Suraj Holzwarth and her followers:

"Stay out of Haudenosaunee Territory.  You are not welcome and are trespassing if you show up in our Traditional lands."

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Friday, April 25, 2008

 White Eagle Medicine Woman (redux)
Current mood:  thoughtful
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Think about this for a minute.

Suraj Holzwarth may have unwittingly helped expose the rampant theft of First Nations culture.

Yeah, it's theft all right.  Sounds better when 'appropriated' is used but in the end, the 'appropriation' of lands, history, culture and spirituality all amount to nothing more than theft.  Theft is stealing.  Theft is disrespect. 

Theft is wrong.

Suraj Holzwarth isn't just a common thief, she's a pretty good con artist as well.  Anyone who can carry off years of fleecing hapless innocents (or not) and rake in enough cash to live in Alaska and travel the world must be either doing something really right – or really wrong.  Given the intensity and expanse of the current outrage by Natives and non-Natives over her traveling extravaganza, she's not doing something right.

Now, you know as well as I do that Holzwarth is far from being the only thief playing this I-Am-A-Native-Child-Of-The-Universe game as these pretentious acting 'companies' are operating around the world.   "Our spirituality sucks, so we'll take yours".   It's nothing new.   Aboriginal People have been ripped off for centuries in one form or another… and still are.

But this new moccasin telegraph known as the internet has opened up a real wormhole for these charlatans.  You can run, but you definitely can't hide if you want to run a business because the internet is the altar of commerce as well as the social dossier of the international community.  We First Nations are the masters of adaptation out of necessity - and we've adapted quite well to this new medium.

We started discussions on issues of abuse and misuse which have spanned sports mascots to corporate branding to the co-opting of our culture.  We've opened dialogues that have demonstrated our common concerns, our hopes and our unity.  From all corners of Turtle Island, all Aboriginal People are logging in, informing and learning.  Not bad for a group of people who are too often disparaged and seen as 'uneducated'.

Holzwarth has been repeatedly informed, asked and now told, to cease her fictitious persona and 'teachings' as a matter of truth and respect.  She has ignored the requests and demands and continues to operate with impunity.

I suspect that's all about to change, thanks to the perseverance and pride of a People who have said, "Enough".  The possible legal ramifications of breaking laws ranging from the possession and transportation of protected raptor feathers to questionable non-profit status to outright fraud will ultimately be determined in a non-Aboriginal judicial system.

From the Aboriginal perspective, she's already been charged, tried and convicted.

Now that her traveling shows are being cancelled left and right due to the collective voices of those she has stolen from, her infamy is rapidly cancelling any shred of credibility she may have enjoyed in the past.  Her erstwhile fan base is getting the message as well, but more importantly, she has dramatically increased visibility of the blatant injustices that have been heaped upon the First Nations for far too long.

We needed a poster child for the campaign to stamp out ignorance and disrespect.  Holzwarth really delivered.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: coyote on June 01, 2008, 05:34:58 pm
I for some reason ended up on their mailing list and was pretty creeped out.... so I've been lurking and trying to figure out what to do with the information and direct line. I hope I can continue to pass info along....
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 01, 2008, 07:34:36 pm
These are the things WE wanted in Michigan, but were not allowed to undertake.  We have a VERY strong voice, but our respect determines our actions also.


If she wants to be confronted and have her preposterous methods and beliefs systematically and publicly deconstructed, so be it.  We will be waiting for details that specifically explain "… the heritage of members of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation, concerns about the funding of ceremonies and events, use of ceremonial items, as well as questions regarding the origins of the teachings, ceremonies, and songs of The Whirling Rainbow Foundation and GrandMother Drum International Peace Project."

After she has demonstrated absolutely no convincing proof of her Native ethnicity… or that she hasn't personally profited from her ceremonies or events… or shown that her teachings, ceremonies or songs AREN'T liberally lifted from Native culture… the only possible act she could do to redeem herself in the eyes of those she has disrespected would be to publicly destroy her 'Grandmother drum'.

So, we will continue and pursue locating information and share it with the community.  If she is going to show up somewhere, please let us know, (you can send me a message here and I will contact you), we have people in places all over that can help organize and get people to show up to STOP this abuse of our culture, and heritage.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 07, 2008, 11:57:36 pm
More slickness and slyness I'm noticing.  Quietly a new page has cropped up as part of the Whirling Rainbow website.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/globalprojects.htm

It's a button on the bottom of the home page.  There's a claim that 10-15% of all programs and workshops goes directly to full SCHOLARSHIPS(sic) in every community they visit. 

That claim is followed by an ambiguous list of "Donated Performances, Workshops, Conferences and Funded Projects"

LOTS of confusing ambiguity in this claim.  The "donations" apparently are Holzwarth appearing.  She even has the Gathering of Eagles listed as a donation recipient.  Doesn't say what she donated.  It reads:  "June 26-29, 2008 Donation-Gathering of the Eagles, SUT Gathering, Black Hills, South Dakota"

The IRS must be calling and she's attempting to confuse their investigation.  Whoever's in contact with them should let them know her listing is new AND doesn't include any detail.  Looks like she's trying to say that letting a few people in for free at her performances constitutes a donation.

Easy way to write off 10-15% of her profits in the books.

Sketchy at best.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on June 08, 2008, 05:03:08 am
Thanks for posting that, Superdog. Decided to copy/paste the whole page. Couple things caught my eye. Have questions about that first paragraph. Which non-profit groups, what individuals, preserving traditional knowledge and wisdom of indigenous people? What has she done for the environment or social justice?

She lists Pine Ridge as being a recipient of funds and clothing in January 2008. Does anyone know if this really happened? And if so, what was donated?

Is she saying her performances in Weymouth, MA were donated? Maybe, to offset all the bad press she received after that event.

As for donating her performance at Bear Butte . . . What performance?

Looks like she's done quite a bit with the schools in Alaska. That's not a good thing. I sure wouldn't want her around any of my grandchildren. From this list, Holzwarth makes it look like half her performances have been donated. We know what she charges for her performances. That's a lot of money that's being collected. So even if she isn't charging her hosts, she's making plenty from tickets sales. On top of that, in some cases she has asked for donations to help get her and her troupe to the performance. These "donated" performances sure don't qualify as a non-profit foundation.


THE WHIRLING RAINBOW FOUNDATION GLOBAL PROJECTS

The Whirling Rainbow Foundation donates funding and services to countless non-profit groups and to individuals focused on preserving traditional knowledge and wisdom of indigenous peoples, environmental and social justice causes and earth sustainability.

We also collaborate with other spiritual groups, healing centers, international peace and environmental conferences, and non-demoninational churches.

ORGANIZATIONS WE SUPPORT and REGULARLY COLLABORATE
The Global Peace Foundation www.globalpeacefoundation.org
Earthdance www.earthdance.org
Otomi Elders 8,000 Drums www.indigenousuniversity.org/sacred_drums.htm
Blue Planet Run Foundation www. blueplanetrun.org
The Love Foundation www.thelovefoundation.com
Alaska Whole Life Festival
World Puja Network www.worldpuja.org
Center for Conscious Living http://www.newthoughtccl.org

SCHOLARSHIPS
10-15% of every program and workshop is given in full scholarships to those in need of healing and empowerment in every communities we visit.

DONATED PERFORMANCES, WORKSHOPS, CONFERENCES AND FUNDED PROJECTS

2008
January- Funds and Clothing Donation: Pine Ridge Reservation, South Dakota
March 22, 2008 Donation to Blue Planet Run Foundation for World Water Day
April 5-6, 2008 Talking Circles and Portal Activation, Weymouth, Massachusetts
May 11-14, 2008 Spirit Film Festival Tel Aviv, Israel
June 5-9, 2008 Lev Tahor Festival Sacred Music Festival Tel Aviv Israel
June 26-29, 2008 Donation-Gathering of the Eagles, SUT Gathering, Black Hills, South Dakota

2007
Jan 19-23, 2007 International Conference on Shamanism, Sante Fe, NM
Feb 14-21, 2007 GMD Ceremonies with Tarahumara, Copper Canyon Mexico
February 24, 2008 Youth Choir-Our Lady of Guadalupe Prayerformance, Tula, Mexico
March 3, 2007 Community Reconcilation Ceremony, Oaxaca, Mexico
March 16, 2007 Community Drum Ceremony and Drum Donation- Mayan Elders Iximche, Guatemala
March/ April/ May 2007 Original Seed Corn Project- Iximche, Guatemala, Tarahumara, Copper Canyon. Seed preservation given to Seeds of Change, The 13 Indigenous GrandMothers Council, Rogue River Seed Bank, Ashland, Oregon.
Seed and Plant Santuary and Salt Springs Seeds, Vancouver Island, Canada.
May 11-14, 2007 World Sound Healing Conference, California
May 17-18, 2007 The Crystal Conference, Ashland, Oregon
September 28-30, 2007 Seward Music Festival. Seward, Alaska

2006
Jan 13, 2006 Drumunity at JOB Corps School, Palmer, Alaska
April 7, 2006 MIRACLES AND THE RETURN TO LOVE, Anchorage
August 2006 -Alaska State Fair: Daily Performances

2005
June 24-26th, 2005 Awakening Native States: A Celebration and Benefit for The CenterRing – Portland, Oregon. GrandMother Drum Prayerformance and Opening Ceremonies
June 21, 2005 Ashland's 7th Annual World Peace and Prayer Day, Jackson Wellspring Ashland, Oregon. Opening Ceremonies.
April 22-24, 2005, International Wesak Festival at Mt. Shasta, California.
The GrandMother Drum conducted opening ceremonies.

2004
September 17-19, 2004 Earthdance 2004 Laytonville, California –Three
day festival of Global Peace. Opening ceremonies to set new World
Record "Drums of Peace" with 4,600 drummers/ Mending the Hoop Healing Activations.
February 20, 2004-Anchorage Winter Cities Festival-Egan Center, Anchorage, Alaska- Performance.
January 25, 2004 -Anchorage Folk Festival- UAA, Anchorage Alaska.
Performance.

2003
May 2003 National Sorry Day Gathering, Lismore, Australia- performance and speech.
May 2003 BIG DRUM Interactive Performance Concert and Drum Workshops
April 2003 Anzac Day Parade- Performed with local Aboriginal Cultural Group and won "Best Community Float"- Alice Springs, Australia.
April 2003 Annual Aboriginal Women's Law and Culture Gathering, Papunya, Australia. Participated in raditional ceremonies.
April 2003 Community Reconcilation Ceremony and Cross Cultural Gathering–with Adnyamathanha Aboriginal communities of Igawarta and Nepabunna, Australia.
March 2003 Community Reconcilation Ceremony and Cultural Gathering with Ngarrinjeri Aboriginal Community-Meningie, Australia.
March 2003 World Peace Gathering, Maccelsfield, Australia- Opening Ceremonies
February 2003 Eagle River Elementary, Eagle River, Alaska- Magic Bundle Storytelling- 4 grade class. Interactive singing, drumming and dancing. February 2003 Chugiak High School, Eagle River, Alaska- Magic Bundle Storytelling grades 9-12. Interactive singing, drumming and dancing.

2002
August 2002 Native Summit on Fish, Wildlife and Environment, Anchorage, Alaska Closing Ceremonies.
August 2002 Children's Interactive Drum and Dance -Natutset Athabascan Native Culture Camp, Nondalton, Alaska.
August 2002 5th Annual " We the People" Native March and Rally, Anchorage- Opening and Closing Ceremonies for over 5,000 marchers.
June 2002-BIG DRUM Interactive Performance Closing Concert- Sydney, Australia.
June 2002-Children's Interactive Drum and Dance-Girrawong Preschool- Purfleet Aboriginal Community, Taree, Australia.
April 2002 Children's Interactive Drum and Dance -Mitijulu Aboriginal Boys School- Ayers Rock, Australia.
April 2002 International Full Moon Wesak Festival–Ayers Rock, Australia-Opening and Closing Ceremonies.
April 2002 6th Annual Spiritual Unity of the Tribes Gathering –Swan Hill, Australia Opening Ceremonies and Mending the Hoop Healing Ceremony.
Reconcilation Parade and Healing Ceremony- Pejar Aboriginal Land Council-Goulbourn and Wombeyan Caves, Australia.

2001
October 2001 Inner Light Conference, Anchorage, Alaska -Opening and Closing Ceremonies.
August 2001 "We the People" Alaska Native Subsistence March, Anchorage-Opening Ceremonies.
June 5, 2001 Million Steps for Peace March- Palmer, Alaska. First Opening Gathering of the GMD Project.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/globalprojects.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on June 08, 2008, 05:23:31 am
Current Schedule

May 12th - June 15, 2008- Israel and Egypt

June 17, 2008- West Yellowstone, Montana
Language of One: Metatron Graduation Ceremony

June 18-21, 2008 - West Yellowstone, MT
The Gathering of One, Global Eden Event

BACK HOME IN ALASKA!
August 9, 2008- Homer, Alaska
GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

August 10, 2008- Homer, Alaska
Illuminating the Sacred Heart Teachings

August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska
Morning Dove Lodge: Shamanic Women's Healing Ceremonies Launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge.



The Gathering of One, Global Eden is still listed on her schedule, but we know she isn't going to be there those five days. Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum will be in the Bozeman/Livingston area with Monica RavenHeart instead.

Spiritual Unity of Tribes, Gathering of Eagles has been removed from her schedule.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 09, 2008, 04:23:42 pm
One more thing to point out.  The Gathering of Eagles is on her list of donations....but the event hasn't happened yet.  Wonder how that works???

Guess she's saying that she's donated something to the planning of it.  Anyone in contact with them??  What exactly was her "donation" I wonder.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 09, 2008, 11:18:10 pm
I notice she seems to not mention anything about Michigan.  I wonder if she is afraid we will bust her on that account too so she is afradi to lie about it.
I will check into some of these other claims and if they are falacies, I will let EVERYONE know.  Including the ones who can do something about it.
Since she donates 10-15% in scholarships we have the cars that attended her in Michigan on video as everyone knows, so we can do a rough count and let the IRS know and they can then track her scholarship donation.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Nichinerd on June 15, 2008, 03:13:23 am
Well I did a search about this woman and came across this:

http://www.islandnet.com/~eagleye/archives/pdf/63/63-27.pdf

I've tried to find more info.  Obviously she's spread her b.s. to Canada.....I feel sick. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: ska on June 15, 2008, 04:23:16 am
Hello Nichinerd,

Thanks for the link to the article on island.net.

Do you know anything about the Sun Dance that goes on on Vancouver Island, around Campbell River?

best, ska
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 16, 2008, 12:31:14 pm
We still need to stop this woman, but to so this we need to know where she is going.  This is the week of Yellowstone.  Is there anyone out there trying to stop her?  We know where she is at the Buffalo Vision encampment.  Let's not forget.  Weymouth was a costly experience that is still an ongoing court battle for one of our warriors and 3 of his companions so it isn't over for them.  It should not be over for her either.  Are there no others to take up the fight and stop this abuse?  Yes if we stop her others will show up to fill her shoes, but soon they will realise we are serious and will not give up, we will continue to assert our rights.  This would not be over if it were a christian religion, she would be jailed, as she would with any other religion except ours, why?  Because we were considered less than human for so many years?  We were taught by the non-natives to be ashamed of our heritage, yet our beliefs survived because our ancestors taught us to be proud of all they had learned and passed on to us.  Now we are letting people steal this from us and abuse it, when it is all we have that is still ours, still intact as it was handed down for centuries, generations of our people died to save this culture and we are going to let it be taken and used for profit.  I will continue to fight even if I do the fight alone, but I know I am not alone, I know there are still others like Hartman and his people who will stand and fight for their beliefs, I only hope there are some in the Yellowstone area who will continue this fight.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on June 16, 2008, 01:46:40 pm
Earth said to let her know when she arrived in that area, she would get the word out.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 16, 2008, 02:10:39 pm
She is supposed to be there this week.  She is doing her "private" thing.  She tried to keep her event in Michigan "private" too, but we were there.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on June 16, 2008, 03:41:09 pm
Holzwarth is in Montana June 17 - 21. We know it's on private property, somewhere outside of Bozeman. I don't think anyone has been able to find out exactly where. Monica RavenHeart has been less than co-operative. Of course RavenHeart thinks it's a private one-day ceremony and Holzwarth has sold tickets to a five-day event. Wonder what will happen.

Holzwarth will be at Bear Butte, South Dakota June 26 - 29, but only as a private individual. She's removed the Spiritual Unity of Tribes/Gathering of Eagles from her website schedule. From what I've heard, she was told not to advertise this event, that she couldn't play her drum or wear her regalia while there, and could only participate as a private individual. There are people in the area who will be there, so we'll know what really takes place.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 16, 2008, 03:48:18 pm
Monica's cell phone number is on her website, and from her phone number you can get her latitude and longitude.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on June 16, 2008, 04:19:34 pm
This ceremony is taking place on property that belonged to RavenHeart's deceased friend, not the Walks With Burros or Bison Vision property. We know this is outside of Bozeman/Livingston, but that's a big area. Wish it was going to take place at Walks With Burros. That'd be easy to find; they advertise all over Montana.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 16, 2008, 06:10:42 pm
If anyone knows where she is touching down, contact FWS in that area, since she is currently under investigation; if she or anyone belonging to Whirling Rainbow who is not native and if they are native with status but without a federal permit from FWS, is found with anything under federal jurisdiction she and Whirling Rainbow are going to be HUGE trouble with Jail sentences as well as fines imposed because it is a second cnviction against whirling rainbow foundation.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on June 16, 2008, 06:59:44 pm
We thought it was in that area of Emigrant MT, but never could get any names or verification. It not far from Livingston.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 16, 2008, 07:05:55 pm
If people out there can watch for her RV and trailer (both white in color) trailer plate # 1650SK(the Alakska plate is solid yellow) and Fleetwood RV plate # EEW791(the Alaska plate is white mountains with a Blue top and yellow bottom)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on June 16, 2008, 08:49:39 pm
no one knows  a address?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 16, 2008, 09:58:30 pm
not for the woman whose property the ceremony is on.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on June 24, 2008, 08:27:25 pm
Catching up here..this was sent to me (what a load of crap)- so here it is... We were also going to go confront her in Montana but were never able to find out where she was.....
Cat



Beloved Family,   

The GrandMother Drum International Peace Projects culminates its six month 2008 Healing Waters Tours with a worldwide drum to sound the new Cosmic Tone and anchoring the seeds of the Thousand.Years of Peace.   After an amazing a transformative month in Israel and Egypt (more in coming newsletters) The Whirling Rainbow family and GrandMother Drum joins with three other groups around the Four Directions of Yellowstone in Montana and Wyoming to seed the cosmic tone in the Heartlands of America. Over twenty of the GrandMother Drum Projects Community " Mother Drums" worldwide will also be joining us.   

Judith Moore in New Mexico (http://www.cropcirclesrevealed.com/) received information about June 21st at noon in your area being the Time Shift in the Galactic  Mayan Calendar. She was told by the 13 Grandmothers that a note would go out creating the sound harmonic that would shift the Earth into the new dimension on that day.


When we held ceremonies at the Temple of the Jaguar in 2007 and activated GrandMother Drum with the Mayan Elders, they commented on GrandMother Drum immediately by saying,  "We heard the Cosmic Tone."   We are honored to sound this octave and celebrate the seeding of what the Hopis have referred to as the Thousand Years of Peace. The time is now to sound with Mother Earth's new Heartbeat! The time of peace is now.   Please join us as light workers of the Earth unite in hearts at noon on June 21st 2008 with the intention of shifting Gaia into her New Form of Love, Oneness,  Peace and Harmony.


    WORLDWIDE DRUM TO SOUND THE TONE JUNE 21, 2008 12 noon ( your time) 


Judith Moore describes the energies for June 21 by my the Mayan count of 5 CHUEN 15 MOAN.  CHUEN is the monkey and humor so keep it light and enjoy the experience as you participate to become the tone which raises your frequencies to match the new tone.


She received information that the Time Shift spoken of in the Galactic Mayan ca lender will happen on June 21st, 2008 when the harmonic overtone is created. One overtone aligns all the galactic suns, solar codes and the One Harmonic of Source.  There is an essential need for one vibration on this planet to be attuned through the consciousness of the lightbodies that have reached a capacity for harmonic union. Through this communion of souls Earth will be lifted beyond the risk of exceeding her limits to stabilize. There must be one harmonic overtone generated from the masses of Awakened Beings. 


 This one harmonic overtone must be calibrated in a wave that moves across the planet to create one tone at noon June 21st 2008. One overtone must be created simultaneously to the opening of a solar code from the Great Central Sun. That solar code creates a new language pattern  of quantum mechanics, quantum energy planes. 


 The tone must be communicated through the Galactic Grail Unified field in harmonic overtone. This tone will be communicated through superconsciousness to six billion humans on the planet creating a wave form that accelerates the space/time continuum of Earth.'
 
 Feel free to use sound, prayer, visualization as your heart calls.Just go into stillness,into your heart and you will hear the note that unites us all in the One Love.  If possible organize groups to meet at that time to amplify the energy.   

Other Groups Activating at Yellowstone: The Global Eden Event: Gathering of One

http://www.thegatheringofone.com/

Medicine Wheel Ceremonies: Benny Le Beau  " Blue Thunder http://www.shrinesandsacredsites.com/teton/events.htm

 2008 Rainbow Gathering:

http://www.welcomehere.org/gathering_of_the_tribes/annual/

Peace in the Water

World Unified Prayer JUNE 20, 2008

PLEASE JOIN US DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE, 2008 (AND PARTICULARLY ON JUNE 20),  AS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD COME TOGETHER TO BRING PEACE IN THE WATER.
For 33 days between May 30 - July 2, 2008, people of all walks of life, from all around the planet are taking time each day to visualize, meditate, sing and pray  a new global vision for clean, clear, peaceful waters with whales,  dolphins and all vital marine life swimming free. 
The 2008 Peace in the Water project will peak on June 20 with a World Unified Prayer for PEACE in the WATER. We invite you to join us on this global adventure in consciousness - in whatever way you feel inspired - as we discover once again how incredibly powerful we are when we come together, in peace, for the greater good of all.

1.   FEEL IT - Do something each day that brings you into a state of good feeling connection with the element of water and with the energy of Cetaceans. Anything - from surfing, to singing, to sitting meditation.
2.   SEE IT - In this state of connectedness, focus your attention on an image of pure vibrancy in our oceans. See whales and dolphins swimming free in clean, safe water. Visualize our planet's waterways filled with light and pure vitality.
3.   LIVE IT - Ask yourself how best you can bring this vision of Peace into your day, your life, your creative work in the world... Then simply do it!

We know that it only takes a fraction of 1% of a population to create a tangible shift in consciousness of an entire area... so let us take this moment to collectively choose a world of peace... NOW.

 

A Unified Prayerful Intention

The following prayerful intention shared with us by our close friend and Pod member, Nikita Gearing, truly reflects the essence of our prayer for PEACE in the WATER. We invite ALL who feel inspired to join us in the coming days as we bring these beautiful words into our meditation, visualization and prayerful action in the world ... and the water. SO BE IT!

TOGETHER WE CREATE

Prayerful intention for ‘Peace in the Water', June 20th, 2008.
By Nikita Gearing ~ http://www.nikitagearing.com/

I close my eyes and Breathe,
Breathe In and Breathe out,
Conscious Breaths filled with my intentions of Peace.
I open my eyes this day and remember that Peace is my choice and my gift.
I send my Hearts deepest Gratitude to the Waters of our planet.
I intend now that all the waters of our planet are healed, clear of any disharmony and vibrating in the highest frequency of Peace and Oneness.
I intend that all creatures of the Water are safe and being honored by our tribe known as Humanity.
I see the whales, the dolphins and all creatures of the Ocean swimming freely, in clear pure oceans. I honor our Sisters and Brothers of the Seas and remember that they are a part of our Earth family, our global tribe.
I am grateful that all Humans awaken to the interconnectedness of life and now act from a place of honoring all life.
I fill myself with Gratitude and send this vibrational song into the waters of our planet, into the Oceans and to all of life that lives within the Water.
I remember that I am a creator and I choose this day to create Peace in the Water.
I close my eyes and Breathe,
Breathe In and Breathe out,
Conscious Breaths filled with my intentions of Peace.
I am Grateful that there is now Peace in the Water.
So Be It.
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on June 24, 2008, 08:59:06 pm
So she has moved  to the area of Boulder WY. That's in the middle of nowhere, mostly ranches.  Looks like they put that on private land also.  No Bear Butte.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 24, 2008, 09:27:24 pm
She has gone underground to private land.  If everyone keeps their ears open and starts watching the new agers around them she will be found.
I thnk she realized she got caught with her fingers in the pie that belonged to the grandmothers, but not her grandmother.  So she is now hiding so she doesn't get whipped out behind the woodshed.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on June 24, 2008, 10:14:34 pm
That whole news letter was about last weekend, summer solstice. There isn't any mention of this coming weekend at Bear Butte, June 26 thru 29. From what I've been told, the organizers of that gathering have told Holzwarth she may only attend as a private individual and cannot wear her regalia or play her drum. In addition, she was told not to advertise the fact that she was going to be there. If she attends, it will be as Rachel/Suraj Holzwarth and nothing more.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on June 25, 2008, 02:41:50 am
She has the gathering of the tribes down July 1-7.  Says to ignore rumors of cancellatiion. That the one that is on the Ranch outside of Boulder WY.    http://www.welcomehere.org/gathering_of_the_tribes/annual/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on June 25, 2008, 03:00:47 am
This is the Rainbow Family (another group of twinkies), not Holzwarth's Whirling Rainbow Foundation. I think people have been getting them confused. That's probably why they had to say, "Ignore all rumors of cancellation or organization!" Holzwarth's group has had a detrimental effect on the Rainbow Family. Ah, too bad, so sad. LOL


Info on the Rainbow Family of Living Light
http://welcomehere.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: porkypine on June 25, 2008, 04:38:37 am
If what I've heard is true that she has someones ashes in that drum. Then I would think that the health department could stop her.  Playing that drum all over sends those fine ashes over the viewers/audience - and that can't be something that the general public would want.  Personally, that disturbs me greatly that she spreading those ashes all over the place in that way...

Can the Health Department put a stop to that drum?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 25, 2008, 10:35:12 am
The only way to stop her with the ashes is at the border when she crosses international lines.
Anyone who knows when she is crossing and at which border can notify the officials of the country she is entering.  Tell them to check her for feathers (mention she has a federal record for this in the US) and also human remains in the drum.  Cremation remains are considered human remains (think about that if you keep a loved one in an urn on your mantle).
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on June 25, 2008, 01:56:51 pm
Cremations are considered movable property. Have to be in a sealed container with no chance of leakage. Have to have permission from Country Consulate to cross International Borders. Many companies such as UPS and FedX will not ship due to possible leakage. I still can't figure how she has this in the drum, either it is in a container or she is not telling people it is there. So all you can do is notify.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on June 25, 2008, 03:12:09 pm
Michigan called the Board of Health and the Center for Communicable Disease.  There are no laws in place for her circumstance.
We tried hard to stop her using ALL available ways and were stopped from using some that were available, by people from Ohio.
I don't think she is letting anyone know she has them in there.  The link to the newspaper in Australia that published the obituary is on a previous page on this site.
If she were telling everyone everything she is transporting her feathers would have been taken away LONG before she got to Michigan
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on June 25, 2008, 04:05:44 pm
They all have different laws or regulations. That's what makes it so hard. Still  your doing a good job. There are so many of these people I can't keep up with them.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on June 25, 2008, 10:45:34 pm
The ashes are upsetting, but personally I think the blood is even worse.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: chiefytiger on June 28, 2008, 03:51:04 am

hope she never shows her face & drum back west ,cos we give her a floater real quick
Chiefytiger
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: FRYBREADGURL on July 02, 2008, 06:07:39 am
SURAJ HOLZWARTH, WAS IN MASSACHUSETTS RECENTLY, AND SOME OF OUR WAMPANOAG BROTHER AND SISTERS WENT TO HER EVENT AND PROTESTED AGAINST HER USE OF NATIVE AMERICAN REGALIA AND OBJECTS USED IN HER CEREMONIES.

WORD HAS SPREAD THROUGH INDIAN COUNTRY, AND SHE'S BEEN SHUT DOWN!!!!
THANKS TO REAL NATIVES STICKING TOGETHER TO END THESE FAKES FROM PROFITING ON OUR SPIRITUALITY!

IF YOU GO TO MYSPACE AND SEARCH "WHITE EAGLE MEDICINE WOMAN" YOU'LL FIND A WHOLE LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THIS PHONEY WOMAN!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on July 02, 2008, 07:59:34 pm
She is more like a work in progress, going more to private land. She has Wildlife and maybe the IRS to deal with. But she is not gone by a long shot yet.  There are about 25 pages and links here on her and how Hal Eagle, mtig, and Michigan AIM and more dealt with her.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on July 02, 2008, 08:06:14 pm
Fyi, mtig is a part Michigan AIM and we have not forgotten her yet.
We will be in DC to meet up with our Wampanoug Warriors on the 11th
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on July 02, 2008, 08:25:41 pm
I thought that's what I said, sorry.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on July 02, 2008, 08:58:31 pm
No problem, AIM is all one big happy family and we share one ideal to stop the abuse of our people and culture by standing for what is right and doing what must be done to get the job done.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on July 02, 2008, 10:58:28 pm
here is a bulletin i just posted for the fraud site...Helen can you call me at 5:30 my time??
Thx , Cat


I got a call from an anonymous source who had gone to the Gathering of Eagles.  She told me that Suraj had shown up there and had brought her drum.  She was told to not play it by the organizers and what followed was a camp fight over it.

The person who was there who contacted us, overheard her talking to two Elder women from the 13 Indigenous Grandmothers Council who were there. In the course of their conversation she asked them to bless her drum which happened according to our source… she was also discussing “going on tour with them???

Now I do not know these two women at all so I will not say here that they are sell outs or talk bad about them…apparently she was giving them her spiel about being Native and about the “evil??? people who are shutting her tour down. (That’s usJ)

To me she is using them for a leg up and validation….

Now… In the course of my calls I spoke to one of their relatives up there… he is a known spiritual leader and had quite a few words to say… he also said he was taking it to the council.

Needless to say the family knows and I don’t feel it is my place to stick my nose in it. Suraj will be exposed for who she is once again.

Keep your eyes and ears peeled everyone..let us know if you hear anything.

Thanks
Cat



Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on July 02, 2008, 11:14:47 pm
http://www.grandmotherscouncil.com/   Go to Grandmothers and their work on the site
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on July 03, 2008, 03:41:31 am
We have a thread on the "13 Indigenous Grandmothers" group here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1216.0

and a brief mention here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1009.msg7956#msg7956
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on July 03, 2008, 04:06:01 pm
I think it was that the 13 Grandmothers were window dressing for a sort of newage fluff thing.  Never made a lot of sense.  But I can see Holzwarth trying to tie to them. She will believe it gives her a sense of being legitimate,
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: KIS on July 03, 2008, 04:16:52 pm
I believe the 13 Grandmothers and their supporters are aware of the controversy surrounding Suraj.  Just remember that the Grandmothers are spiritual leaders and pray for all  -- new age fraud or not. That does NOT mean, however, that they bless or endorse Suraj and her efforts. 





Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on July 03, 2008, 05:47:16 pm
I don't have a problem with the Grandmothers, but I think  Holzwarth will try to exploit anything or anyone she thinks could make her legiltimate. I think she will use anyone she can.  She's the one not to be trusted.  My question would be are the Grandmothers the ones actually running the organization?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on July 03, 2008, 07:43:44 pm
I don't have a problem with the Grandmothers, but I think  Holzwarth will try to exploit anything or anyone she thinks could make her legiltimate. I think she will use anyone she can.  She's the one not to be trusted.  My question would be are the Grandmothers the ones actually running the organization?
Exactly - thanks for clarifying that Frederica!!
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on July 04, 2008, 06:02:10 pm
I'll post about the Grandmothers group in that thread.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: snorks on July 14, 2008, 05:02:35 pm
I am sorry I came in so late on this.  She did come to Winchester VA area awhile back.  I did not go, but I know folks who did.  They regarded her as the real deal.  Most of them are what is referred to as People of Distant Indian Ancestory.  The folks were from the local Pagan community and were interested in the earth focus of her presentations.

I really don't know how to tell them that she is well a fake.  They don't think much of speaking ill of someone.  And even if it is the truth.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Half-Wolf on July 14, 2008, 05:23:53 pm
Snorks:
Tell then you have found out she has commiteed a FELONY and is has already plead guitly.  She did not boast of ANY native ancestry in Michigan when asked as a matter of fact admitted she is not of native ancestry.  (I know I was there.)
She is out there speaking evil of us, is that what she is supposed to represent to them when they do not approve of speaking ill of people?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: fish on July 17, 2008, 04:02:19 pm
Hi,
I've been following the thread about Surja.... thought this might be of interest to those of you

This woman: Morning Star AKA: Lindy Morris
Is coming to the Delware Valley area in Pennsylvania at the end of the month. She has ties to Suraj and was traveling and teaching with her in Australia--- There is some resistance to put her up for workshops..... Suraj dupe the Soulutions people in Newton PA with drum swindle and their burning from that fiasco..... Lessons learned are not alway easy!! Yet, it was effective at lease in bring down delusion aroung Suraj

This is How Lindy describes herself.....

When I was 12 my parents worked at a tannery and I spent much time asking questions as to the magical process of transforming the skins of animals into leather. I spent 20 years carving Australian Animals into leather and taught this in Schools and to the local aboriginal children, including skids kids and juvenile justice.

Over the years I have always been drawn to living and being close to nature, so I have spent much of my life in the mountains of the Manning valley New South Wales Australia (East Coast)

For 10 years my husband and I lived and raised 2 children on a 150 acre solar powered mountain property with a spring fed creek. I observed the process of decay of so many of our precious wildlife killed on the road, that my heart was touched and I began to pick up these creatures, usually snakes, birds and wallabies (small kangaroos) to preserve their beauty, there began a time where I would usually be called to travel a certain route at a specific time and would always find a creature dying or newly dead. Many creatures spent there last minutes in my lap and hands with a blessing as they passed on from this world to the next.

I had a medicine wheel on this property by the creek and began sitting by it experimenting with the skins making leather and rawhide, drums and rattles. I spent many of my days meditating on the mountain or by the creek while the children were at school.

In 2003 my guidance asked me to give up all material possessions and go walk about to other lands, specifically to this land. Since the beginning of 2004 I have been to the USA 3 times, Mexico twice, Peru, Turkey, Egypt, Guatemala, New Zealand twice. I had never left the shores of Oz before that time.

I am traveling with 3 snake head medicine items, I am their legs as they speak and guide me to planetary gateways, sacred sites and energy vortices. I am asked to travel the world for the next 3 years experiencing & sharing what I learn with others. My visa to the USA ends on the 6th Aug. I will then be journeying to the UK and Europe. My book, workshops and the medicine items I make finance my travels.

I'll post more when i find out more....
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on July 17, 2008, 04:09:27 pm
Fish, could you please give a link for the Lindy Morris blog you just posted?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: fish on July 18, 2008, 01:43:32 pm
This appears to be her website:

www.morningstarworkkshops.com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: fish on July 18, 2008, 01:45:04 pm
correction:

www.morningstarworkshops.com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on July 18, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
Lindy Morris is listed on the whirling rainbow site as a contract artist for the medicine pouches Holzwarth sells. 

I've read into a few of the website about Lindy a while back.  She spent a year on tour with Holzwarth, but from what I can gather currently she's not selling any ceremonies or anything.  Just workshops on how to make pouches, rattles and fans...things of that sort.  The stuff she makes is definitely simple and hobbyist, but she's learned some good marketing and promotion skills from Holzwarth and apparently has written a book on how to make these items and this year is planning to go on "tour" pushing them.  From what I've seen most of the things she makes, sells and teaches about she markets as "indigenous tools/items".  There's definitely an Australian influence on some of the things she has.  Haven't seen a reference yet to what she's doing as being "Native American" or "ceremonial".

I don't necessarily like what she does, but it seems she's more of a craftperson rather than a wannabe shaman so currently I don't see anything necessarily wrong with what she does except for the fact that she's teaching people the same skills used  in making rubber tomahawks and her association with Holzwarth and the promotion of Whirling Rainbow.

If I was the Pennsylvania group I would cancel her appearance.  If they didn't like Holzwarth they'll find they're getting something just as cheesy and plastic with Lindy.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on July 28, 2008, 04:16:33 am
Hey everyone just wanted to let everyone know i am still here and working on this with other things but that aside I would like to thank everyone again for there work on this to see this thought to the end that we want.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on July 28, 2008, 02:23:38 pm
Thank you for all your hard work.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on August 05, 2008, 03:53:58 am
Hi everyone - just got this in on our fraud site .. it's pertaining to Suraj at the- Gathering of eagles and what they witnessed.
cat

------------------------------------------------

She was Bear Butte at "Gathering of the Eagles"
Spritual unity of the tribes in South Dakota.
June 26-30, this past june.
She was in costume. That white robe she has, and a ceremonial headband. She offered sweet grass to a friend of mine. And Samantha Asked if he got payed for drumming. She also ran a sweat without permission. And tried to take over the sweat I was in. We didn't have to pay because it wasn't her ceremony. But She tryed to give the Gathering a black eagle statue. (??) She and Sam also spoke out when the Elders were speaking. She then SOMEHOW got people to go with her for the "grandmother drum ceremony" they accidentally let her do. But this was in a graveyard far from Bear butte. Gathering did not know about Rachel but word got out. She is now not allowed back. If you need any other information please let me know.

-Sarah
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wolfhawaii on August 05, 2008, 03:56:51 am
Drum in a cemetery? Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on August 05, 2008, 03:58:35 am
Well it seems to fit..the drum is a traveling coffin anyhow with her friends ashes in it... boy shes really gonna get herself in trouble doing that stuff sooner or later....if you get my meaning.
cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on August 06, 2008, 12:37:45 am
She's still making contacts and advertising.  This is the homepage of group out of the Ozarks. 
They're asking for donations to bring the "Holzwarth Travelling Medicine Show(i.e. Grandmother Drum Prayerformance)" to their group. 

http://www.ozarksdrumanddancecommunity.org/home

There's phone numbers and e-mail addresses on the website for those who would like to respectfully warn these individuals about what they're really paying for.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 06, 2008, 01:32:35 am
Thanks, Superdog. On it.

Contact info:

ph: 417-886-1961

aubree@ozarksdrumanddancecommunity.org

And on this page http://www.ozarksdrumanddancecommunity.org/contact_us they also have a contact form.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 07, 2008, 03:24:01 pm
Hard-Core Fraud

So, in Michigan she agreed to stop wearing her costume and claiming to be Native.

But on her website http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/ , and in all her promotional videos and photos, she still wears the costume, and she has worn it at subsequent performances and fake ceremonies.

Opening line on her website as of today: "Among the Navaho and Hopi, the Whirling Rainbow is a prophecy and a promise of peace for all Nations"

And her press release here: http://whirlingrainbow.com/text/aboutdrumkeeper.pdf still says: "She is an international performance artist of Seneca and Celtic
descent."

I have seen no changes except those she's been backed into a corner to make, and then she's only made those changes until she thinks she won't get busted again. If Fish and Wildlife and/or determined elders aren't in the room, I think she still thinks she can be as offensive as she wants. She's figured out she can make money off this fraud, and I don't believe she will stop until her audience/cash flow dries up. I think the only way this will happen is if we keep educating those who can be reached, and protesting/placing obstacles for those who don't care.

I wrote the Ozarks group on the evening of the fifth, and have not yet received a response.

ETA: This page http://whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm still lists some upcoming appearances. Do we know how many of these are still happening?

http://yukonisland.com/index_files/Page382.htm still lists her for August 14th-18th as for the other Alaska events... I'm not clear on where they're supposed to be held, as I thought she was not allowed back there. Probably found some other nuagers to take her in.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on August 07, 2008, 04:12:08 pm
She is awfully determined to make her money isnt she.. regardless if she starts her tour next year we will be waiting..we are just as determined... we have asked her to respectfully stop what she is doing..that didnt help..a meeting was set up in Michigan..that didnt help.. she flat out doesnt care.. $$ is the bottom line for that woman....greed...
We will be awaiting her next schedule.

Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on August 11, 2008, 06:03:12 pm
Reply from The Ozarks Drum and Dance Community . They have removed her from their wish list.

Wanbli

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Thank you for you concern. Will remove from site.

Aubree

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on August 12, 2008, 12:59:30 am
YES!!! Thank You!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 12, 2008, 01:16:33 am
I suggest we keep on the organizers of the Alaska events. The one planned for last weekend at the Nuage store in Alaska was allegedly canceled or postponed, but word has it Ego Fraud is scheduled for some sort of "Spirit Fair" in Kenai in September. I haven't been able to find any info on this fair.

The one scheduled to start this Thursday, listed here: http://whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm appears to be taking place here: http://yukonisland.com/index_files/Page382.htm
Quote
August 14th-18th:  White Eagle and the Grandmother Drum Retreat.  See www.whirlingrainbow.com for more information.

Contact info for the conference center is found on this page: http://yukonisland.com/index_files/Page708.htm

ETA: Ah, yes... and if you need any more inspiration, check out this ad copy from her website (found, not on the calendar page, but buried in the News section):

http://whirlingrainbow.com/news.htm
Quote
Morning Dove Lodge: August 14-19, 2008 Homer, Alaska

Shamanic Womens Healing Ceremony and the launching of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge. This healing week for women is to nuture the teachings of the Morning Dove, the spirit and essence of awakening the receptivity of the Divine Feminine. You will be nourished over these five days with the GrandMothers Heart of One teachings at a beautiful wilderness lodge on Yukon Island, http://yukonisland.com/ a ferry ride across from the pristine glacier carved bays of Homer, Alaska. Recommend course teachings: Heart of One: Wisdomteachings of the GrandMothers online course

http://whirlingrainbow.com/online.htm

As has been requested by the Grandmothers in the Heart of One Course, this workshop is exclusive to women over 16. All other workshops of the Rainbow Fire Dream Lodge are open to both men and woman.

Total cost including all food, lodging, ferry, and workshops and ceremonies from Homer, Alaska.
Cost $1111.00.

Gah.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on August 14, 2008, 06:48:39 pm
2008 USA Tour Next Stop

    September 13, 2008 GrandMother Drum Prayerformance

    Kenai Landing, Kenai Alaska 7pm

    Join us in a unforgettable evening of interactive drumming, song, primal rhythms, prayer, dance and celebration for the whole family. The largest drum of its kind in the world, the seven foot crystal inlaid GrandMother Drum was built by Alaskans and is traveling the world as the symbol of the Universal Heart, uniting all races and cultures of the human family. GrandMother Drum just completed her fifth "Ring of Fire" World Tour traveling 36,000 miles across the USA, Canada Israel and Egypt awakening the Global Heart of One Family, One Earth.  Following this prayerformance, will be the culmination of our 2008 Healing Waters Tour with a special ceremony on Sunday at the Kenai River. Join us for an dymamic evening and a inspiring humanitarian project Alaskan's can be proud. Bring your drum and an open heart!

    September 13-14, 2008

    Kenai Spirit Festival. come visit our booth at the festival and support our 2009 upcoming tour! 11am-6pm. both days. Kenai Landing Alaska. Come listen to White Eagle's free lecture, Renewing the Body with Healing Waters

    September 27-28, 2008 Alaska Whole Life Festival

    Anchorage Coast International Inn, Anchorage

    come visit our booth at the festival and support our 2009 upcoming tour. 11am-6pm. Come listen to White Eagle's free lecture, Renewing the Body with Healing Waters.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on August 14, 2008, 10:04:49 pm

September 13, 2008 GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
Kenai Landing, Kenai Alaska 7pm
...

September 13-14, 2008
Kenai Spirit Festival. 11am-6pm. Kenai Landing Alaska.
...

September 27-28, 2008 Alaska Whole Life Festival
Anchorage Coast International Inn, Anchorage.    11am-6pm.

Hey, you found it. Excellent. Where is this from? I couldn't find it on her site or Googling.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on August 14, 2008, 10:32:40 pm
Someone myspaced it to the group there.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on August 26, 2008, 05:17:21 pm
Oh guess who is friends with MEMF Brook. There is some suspicion that both of them are friend with Mary Thunder also.. wouldn't surprise me actually.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: chiefytiger on September 05, 2008, 01:40:30 pm
sounds pretty hokie to me,and traveling w/a coffin drum.yeah makes one wonder why she is still doing what shes doin,maybe now joined up w/the other goofy women who walk the road of stupidty ...Spirits should nail her ....
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: SouthwestSkeptic on September 09, 2008, 07:54:58 am
Just got my Newsletter -

She's at it again and she's offering online classes!

September 13, 2008 GrandMother Drum Prayerformance
Kenai Landing, Kenai Alaska 7pm
Join us in a unforgettable evening of interactive drumming, song, primal rhythms, prayer, dance and celebration for the whole family. The largest drum of its kind in the world, the seven foot crystal inlaid GrandMother Drum was built by Alaskans and is traveling the world as the symbol of the Universal Heart, uniting all races and cultures of the human family. GrandMother Drum just completed her fifth "Ring of Fire" World Tour traveling 36,000 miles across the USA, Canada Israel and Egypt awakening the Global Heart of One Family, One Earth.  Following this prayerformance, will be the culmination of our 2008 Healing Waters Tour with a special ceremony on Sunday at the Kenai River. Join us for an dymamic evening and a inspiring humanitarian project Alaskan's can be proud. Bring your drum and an open heart!

September 13-14, 2008
Kenai Spirit Festival. come visit our booth at the festival and support our 2009 upcoming tour! 11am-6pm. both days. Kenai Landing Alaska. Come listen to White Eagle's free lecture, Renewing the Body with Healing Waters
September 27-28, 2008 Alaska Whole Life Festival
Anchorage Coast International Inn, Anchorage
come visit our booth at the festival and support our 2009 upcoming tour. 11am-6pm. Come listen to White Eagle's free lecture, Renewing the Body with Healing Waters.

September 21, 2008 UN International Day of Peace /Fall Equinox. The GrandMother Drum hosts a special worldwide drum ceremony at every equinox and solstice. The International Day of Peace is on September 21st of each year and calls for a full day of peace and ceasefire throughout the world. www.internationaldayofpeace.org Join us with your Community Drum in your local area. (You have to email her to find out the location)


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See our Workshop page for details.
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There were also pictures of her and the  GrandMothers of the 13 Indigenous GrandMothers Council give a blessing to Grandmother Drum, Bear Butte, South Dakota.  What's the deal here? These ladies look legit? How can they be fooled by this stuff?


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She's not going to stop. She honestly believes she spoke to an entity named Metatron, the Archangel of reflection, for 13 weeks in her sleep, who told her to do this.  She honestly believes she was called by an angel to save the planet.

She's was off her gourd when she was interviewed here on Live at the Edge

http://www.newvoices.info/audio/mm/edge39.wma

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Click here to listen to Dr. Doris Jeanette interview White Eagle on her free internet radio show, Live at the Edge.

She' also switched over to youtube United Kingdom to spread her 'wisdom'
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This video needs some comments!


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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: C_from_Wpg on September 10, 2008, 04:38:30 am
(I'm quoting the parts of the above post that I want to comment on.)
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There were also pictures of her and the  GrandMothers of the 13 Indigenous GrandMothers Council give a blessing to Grandmother Drum, Bear Butte, South Dakota.  What's the deal here? These ladies look legit? How can they be fooled by this stuff?
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She's not going to stop. She honestly believes she spoke to an entity named Metatron, the Archangel of reflection, for 13 weeks in her sleep, who told her to do this.  She honestly believes she was called by an angel to save the planet.

She's was off her gourd when she was interviewed here on Live at the Edge

http://www.newvoices.info/audio/mm/edge39.wma

White Eagle and Grandmother Drum Project
White Eagle is an international spiritual healer, the Director and Drumkeeper for the GrandMother Drum International Peace Project and the Founder and Director of the Whirling Rainbow Foundation in Alaska. Click here to learn about White Eagle and her Grandmother Drum Project.

http://live-at-the-edge.blogspot.com/

Click here to listen to Dr. Doris Jeanette interview White Eagle on her free internet radio show, Live at the Edge.
.............

At the edge, indeed!  I actually listened to the whole 40 minutes of that interview.  She mentioned
things like the "photon belt" and the "human energy field" and a bunch of other stuff I've only
ever heard in New Age settings.  Oh, yeah, and we're "about to pass through the eye of the
Milky Way" or some such nonsense.  I'm not sure what that means, but I do know that our solar
system is very, very far from the galactic centre and is not about to pass through it.  Of course
the "eye" might not be the centre - well, whatever.  When she talked about water and Masaru
Emoto, I wasn't surprised.  I was reminded of a conversation I had with a friend who is into a
lot of the New Age stuff.  I tried to tell her how dangerous it is to believe that just sending love
to polluted water would somehow make the water pure.  It's all wishful thinking.  The
underlying belief seems to be, "If we just hope and pray and believe strongly enough, we'll
solve all the world's problems without actually having to take any kind of action out in the
real world."  In the interview, Holzwarth came across as having a similar attitude.
I think she is using the 13 Indigenous Grandmothers to lend herself the air of legitimacy.  I
wonder what they would think of her pricey workshops? 
I wonder, though - does she really believe in the angel she spoke to for 13 weeks? 
Thanks for posting the links, SouthwestSkeptic.
Just one more comment - when I first saw the word "prayerformance" on this site, I assumed
it was coined by someone who wanted to bash pay-to-pray scams.  I think it's ironic that
Holzwarth refers to her own performances this way.   "Prayerformance" sounds to me like the
perfect derogatory word to be used when someone's spiritual sincerity is called into question!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on September 10, 2008, 02:57:39 pm
hmmm.. alot of people havent gotten their newsletters yet.. wonder what is going on... welp - she still isnt getting away with it..
Cat
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Mia on September 11, 2008, 07:33:13 pm
http://live-at-the-edge.blogspot.com/

Amazing...she talks and talks and talks and still doesn't say anything...

She's educated herself well - she knows exactly what words to drop to make a New Ager think shes totally tapped into all things Native. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on September 16, 2008, 06:32:36 pm
Hey everyone we found the evil one on myspace today here are her links... notice her photo album with her Eagle Feathers in her pictures etc.. I think I'm gonna be sick.. she is like a plague...

Cat


here are the links...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=302633979

and

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=211099948

She has no friends hardly but on her main profile there are hideous pictures.. including her fake regalia etc... So we feel that these sites bear watching...
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Mia on September 17, 2008, 01:03:53 am
Hmmm, this was on her main profile...

Sep 5 2008 11:58 PM

The Rainbow Fire Mystery School with White Eagle Medicine woman opens March 13-23, 2009 on the Big Island of Hawaii! contact us for details.

I wonder if that's a prayerformance or it means she's actually leaving the mainland to start some sort of scam over on the big island?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Nakin on September 17, 2008, 08:37:01 am
I have read much on this forum, and have hesitated to register or take the time to post anything. I tend to stand back and observe before confronting issues. My father is Oglala, my mother is white and Kikapu. I was raised as a Catholic, and never sought enrollment with any tribe, nor will I. I'm very disconnected from my family because my parents split up when I was a child. So that is a bit of history about me. Eventually I hope to meet my relatives, simply to get a chance to know who they are/were.

I find the appropriation of different tribal cultures, disgusting in every way.

In the mid 90's I met my fair share of new age twinkies, "master reiki healers", non indians carrying feathers, using crystals for their healing sessions, and many others play indian. I have met people who hold "shaman ceremonies" and pretend they can talk to these crystal skulls. I met one woman who goes by Star that does "activations" with max the crystal skull and would babble as if speaking in tongues. I asked her what she was saying and she said she didn't know, but was speaking with the star people and the aliens. I ran into a group of women in the latter part of the 90's who were holding these Lynn Andrews book reading sessions in their homes, then would go out and hold their own ceremonies in the woods playing indians. I always felt people were instantly drawn to me as their token indian because I look indian, and they wanted some indian's supreme guidance. I told some of them once if they wanted to know what a real indian is, go up to some reservation and talk to those people. It's really something how white people want their token indian when doing their version of bastardized ceremonies. It's been a journey for me, as a woman disconnected from my family for most my life. I always knew in my heart that these people were wishing they were something they are not. I used to tell them "Be who you are".  I see there is a thread about Brooke and I got a tale about her too. I wanted to talk to her once to see who she was. She told me she didn't "talk to people" she only did these "consultations" and that you had to pay. Anyway, on with my story about Suraj.

I met Ms. Holzwarth, years ago by accident while I was in AZ visiting friends. She was holding a "ceremony" outside of a unitarian church. I decided to walk over and see what the whole fuss was about. There must have been a crowd of about 100 people or more. I knew this was a twinkie event soon as I saw the funnel cake booth set up across the way, and that it was a show being ran by a white woman. I was surprised to see other indians there supporting this. I could not tell you what she was doing, as I have only been in inipi one time in my life as a baby with my father.

She was dancing around in a mask. She was making noises I can't describe. Some other woman had a crystal skull (probably not a real deal) in her hands and was dancing around. One woman was white with dyed black hair in a jingle dress dancing. None of what they were doing made sense and I was just a spectator. The whole thing stank though. And when her bit was done, she laid on the ground and held her chest, and said something was coming through to her, and it got the crowd all woo woo. The woman holding the skull came and put the skull against this woman's head and they all spoke some jibberish.

But that was not just the most disturbing part of that. Afterward, she said they needed to go for an hour and would be back for the "Mayan Fire Ceremony". They came back out and some man who wore braids with feathers and dressed in what looked like a white karate robe came out holding a fire pot and was addressing the four directions and so on, and the drumming began. They instructed everyone to take a bit of tobacco, put a prayer in it and toss that in that pot.

I had enough and walked off in tears. I'll tell you why I was crying. I had been down to Guatemala and seen the real deal. What these people were ripping off as a fire ceremony was nothing like the fire ceremony I had seen performed by Mayans.

And don't get me started on people like Aluna Joy and Mary thunders, who has their token Mayan shaman or day keeper, and they run these mystery schools and charge people monies for these mucked up teachings.

It's one thing to go down to the Yucatan and see the real thing, a sacred ceremony being held by the people, then come back and see these people playing Mayan. It's so unsettling to me and to be honest I see no way in stopping them.

There are SO many many many people who are playing indian on their lands, holding sweat lodges and sun dances who are ignorant to what they are doing. Then they go back to their cushy homes, flat screen tvs, computers, and all their material goods and call themselves a 'grandmother' or a "shaman" or "medicine" person.

I was told a long time ago that a real medicine person does not live that way. And if so, please correct me. From where I stand it looks odd.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Nakin on September 17, 2008, 08:56:21 am
A little more:

I met one woman who claimed she was a "reiki master healer" in the "Karuna and Usui" healing methods. But she also claimed she was a "shamanic healer" who could channel angels. This woman went crystal digging each year and had these huge chunks of crystals all througout her dining room which she had turned into her "healing den" or "the mother's womb" so she called it. She said that gem stones sung to her and would use rocks for healing people with. She kept rocks in her window over her sink and said they were her "talking rocks" and would get messages. Also said the crystals sung and talked with each other like families.

She kept a large expensive statue of Quan Yin, and claimed she channeled that Goddess too. She was a white jewish woman, who tried to tell me that in her past life she was indian, and that she knew she was pocahantas I kid you not. And people belived in this woman. This is the same person holding the Lynn Andrews book group. They had a lynn work book that taught women how to do these studies. Like make prayer arrows, and hold ceremonies. Or make tobacco ties, etc.

The worst thing out of all of this was, she was facilitating a "shaman woman healing group" each week in her home and she was claiming she had healer powers. A desperate young mother whose son was having seizures was bringing her child to the group for healing. They told the woman to take the boy off of his medicine because he was healed by their powers.

Then once a man with HIV came and they all claimed to have healed him too.

It's the crack pots like these, I see as extremely dangerous. When they start to claim they healed you in their home with their channeled powers. When they tell people to stop seeing their doctors or stop medications.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on September 26, 2008, 01:30:49 pm
Upcoming date this weekend in Alaska.

Have a visit at her booth  ;)




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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Barnaby_McEwan on September 29, 2008, 07:30:06 pm
Thanks for telling us what you've seen and how you feel about it. A lot of us feel similarly, as I'm sure you know. I agree that these people claiming to heal the desperate are very dangerous; that's what first made me look into all this a few years ago.

I've recently got to know someone who has not been well for a long time; she's been abused by various local frauds and fantasists in her efforts to get well. She 'does the medicine wheel', believes that 'you create your own reality', etc. I'm angry with those people who have her believing she made herself ill and that's it's her fault that they have failed to make her better.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 29, 2008, 08:03:06 pm
I agree that these people claiming to heal the desperate are very dangerous;

Yeah, been there, done that. Sadly, I also speak from experience.

I think many of us here got started as fraud-fighters after being burned, or seeing loved ones harmed.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 14, 2008, 06:10:46 pm
Hartman (http://www.myspace.com/bigcardio) has posted about his experience confronting White Ego Fraud (Rachel Holzwarth) (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=47070956&blogID=440847192&indicate=1) last spring in Plymouth:

Hartman is one of the protesters who was attacked, pepper-sprayed and arrested, and the one whose blood Ego (Vampire) Fraud stole and rubbed on her drum.

It's good to hear more details on what happened. Other good news is that the case has been continued without finding, with no time served and no guilty verdicts.

Though the protestor's aim of destroying the drum was not achieved at that action, I think it was the brutality shown by the cops and the "peaceful" nuagers, as well as Ego Fraud's chilling blood incident, that really got the ball rolling on this. Hartman and his crew are my heroes for their bravery that day, and I'm relieved they haven't had to serve any time for it.

Thanks to their confrontation, word and outrage spread, so it was a success.

May it continue to spread, till the bloody fraud drum is destroyed and Holzwarth is forced to find a new career.

Edited to fix URL
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on October 16, 2008, 04:40:14 pm
Here's an update on one of her "schools".  This time being put on in Hawaii.  Staggering cost.  Definite elitism in this one so she can get pictures of her and her instrument in front of a volcano.  Notice how the prices don't include the airfare.  Last I checked it's not very cheap to fly to Hawaii.  The minimun price for JUST the workshop WITHOUT meals and lodging is $2,111 and then it goes up from there. 

Who's got contacts in Hawaii??  They may want to know about this one.  More than likely she'll be attempting to exploit Hawaiian culture as well.

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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 16, 2008, 06:11:55 pm
Here's an update on one of her "schools":
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Join us on this dynamic ten-day program on the Big Island of Hawaii and let the power of PELE at the Heart of the Mother Earth's "Ring of Fire" ignites the Dream that lives within you!

I sort of hope they try to mess with Pele. She's been known to stomp on those who mess with Her.

I see they also offer "kirtan" now. Great, rip off Hinduism some more. This is just nauseating. Maybe we can find some Hawaiians who can meet them at the airport with leis of garlic. Or whatever repels demons in Hawaiian culture.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Spaewife on October 19, 2008, 02:42:39 pm
Maybe we'll get lucky and PELE will deal with her..   and the blasted drum rofl
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: wolfhawaii on October 20, 2008, 02:41:26 am
I have no doubt Pele will deal with her....I alerted a respected elder friend of mine who lives on the Big Island about this. If my woman gets anywhere near her Pele won't have a chance to deal with her as there won't be much left.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bonestyx on October 25, 2008, 07:40:20 pm
When I read Jay Fulton's account of this woman's nonsense and the debacle that ensued when folks showed up to protest her exploitation, I found myself sickened and outraged at the part about rubbing the guy's blood on her hands and on the "Grandmother Drum".

To me, this is the kind of behavior you would expect from a psychic vampire, and someone who dabbles in the dark side of the occult. It would be one thing - in my mind - to make a sacrifice of one's own blood, but to take that of another without willingness or permission on their part - especially considering the circumstances under which it was shed in this instance - is just sick.

This woman is evil and must be stopped. An example needs to be made of her.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Mia on November 01, 2008, 05:12:08 am
Has anybody seen this yet??


http://www.kalani.com/workshop/igniting_the_rainbow_fire.html
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on November 01, 2008, 05:43:48 pm
http://www.kalani.com/workshop/igniting_the_rainbow_fire.html

She's still promoting herself as Native. She's just gone vague - no Nations named:

"White Eagle Medicine Woman is an internationally renowned shamanic healer, teacher, ceremonial and performance artist of Native American and European descent. She is the founding director of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project and the DrumKeeper of the seven foot Grandmother Drum, the largest crystal inlaid medicine drum in the world."

And her partner in crime is now also claiming to be Native:

"Tymoreye’ Elliot  is a Visionary and Ceremonial Artist of Native American and European descent..."

and it looks like "Tymoreye" is getting in on the Lynne Andrews Shield scam:

"... Through Dream Mandalas and Medicine Shields, she guides students in visualizing their dreams into a living art."

So the only change from when we first found her is she's gone from describing herself in this particular commercial as "Seneca and Celtic" to the more vague "of Native American and European descent." And she's still wearing her fake regalia in the pictures.

Checked her website, and it's still an appropriation horrorshow: http://whirlingrainbow.com/promo.htm
Her official bio still claims "Seneca and Celtic": http://whirlingrainbow.com/text/aboutdrumkeeper.pdf
And the press release is still working the "From a vision of indigenous grandmothers" angle: http://whirlingrainbow.com/text/pressrelease.pdf

Unrepentant, without honour, shameful, appalling fraud.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on January 01, 2009, 07:07:22 pm
its a new year and she still up to her old tricks.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on January 16, 2009, 07:49:14 pm
Looks like she is steering clear of the states.
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on January 16, 2009, 07:51:47 pm
Spends a lot of time in the Middle East.  Didn't she do that last year also?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on January 16, 2009, 07:53:07 pm
Looks like she is steering clear of the states.

Easier to fool gullible people in other countries, who know even less about NDNs than do nuagers in the US.

Spends a lot of time in the Middle East.  Didn't she do that last year also.

Maybe she'll have a "vision" and declare herself a rabbi.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on January 17, 2009, 06:13:07 pm
I believe that she did go to the Middle east last year...

Maybe she will stay there and NOT come back.... but  she's raking in the bucks still obviously....did a check on her site and she is running online courses and all sorts of fluffy stuff for a hefty fee... Karma;)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: anne on January 26, 2009, 08:22:27 pm
PLEASE tell me what to do. I live on kauai, far away from the big island she is coming here, to a place called "Kalani, whatever/ run by ANOTHER FROUD called Serge Kahili king. We shamed him off this island, and he turned tail and ran to the big island. Now she is coming there with some sor tof "fire thing. This insults our grandmother Pele who lives there, and is quite alive to many of us. How do we fight TWO Fouds?.. she is charging $THOUSAND DOLLARS for this retreat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: anne on January 26, 2009, 08:26:50 pm
We have another froud, serge Kahili king...way worse than this lady. BUT the two are going to join forces on the big island in march. please tell me what I can do...im not on the big island, im on kauai, far away, and i dont have money to get on a plane and tell her off. we ran serge king outta here, and now the two of them...omg its just horrible. She is doing some sort of fire thing, where our pele lives, our living breathing godess. This is an insult. It may make things very bad over there, cause trouble with the halemaumau, the volcanic home of pele. this is a true beleif. its bad enough serge is over there. please email me at coalitionkauai@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on January 27, 2009, 02:40:37 am
Hi Anne. I like your dedication. Please read about the people who've worked to stop her. Try using the same approach they used and getting in touch with them. See who else on the island can be there to confront Holzwarth and King about their lies and exploitation.

I don't think you meant any harm, but anything about Holzwarth or King belongs only in the threads on them. I'm deleting the posts, except for what was not mentioned on the thread already, which I'll add to the thread.

Here's what you wrote in other threads, reposted here. Duplicate writing left out.

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please help us to shut down, both Serge Kahili King, liar, bs artist, and all around FAKE AND FRAUD, and WHITE EAGLE WOman, whatever her stupid name is, as they are JOINING forces in Hawaii march 2009. she is charging $ THOUSAND DOLLARS for her "fire earth Mysteries", onm the place where our mother nad grandmother Pele lives, breaths. We beleive that Pele is a living, breathing thing, and anything that angers her can hurt our poeple. The volcano has been particularly active this year, and caused heavy vog all over the islands. she is not in a good mood. we DONT need her any more angry right now. PLEASE...make these poeple stop....Hawaiians over here, have just given up, andnsold out, what can I say. Its really bad. But maybe since there are more of you there, im too far away on kauai, opposite end of the chain. STOP THIS WHITE EAGLE feather woman lady watever, Suraj person, and this FRAUDULANT serge "Kahili" king and his HUNA crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE.help us stop the HUNA FAKE HAWAIIAN RELIGION, and WHITE EAGLE MEDICINE WOMAN from joining forces in hawaii in march. They will destroy our islands, as I am sure that Pele will rise up out of anger against them. WE beleive this, those of us who really do beleive in this kind of things. this man we ran off our island, but he has millions of dollars from his fake books. I used to try to stop him, by "converting" poeple back to reality at the hotel I worked at where some of them were staying. NOW he has joined forces with this WHITE EAGLE medicine lady and she is going to be doing some sort of FIRE MYSTERY...do NOT mess with Pele here. I cannot beleive this,.. and i am frightened about what might happen if these IGNORANT jackasses stat messing with our MANA here. we beleive some of us, that the gods and godesses still live here, like the old ways. we RESPECT...but so many hawaiian bloods SELL OUT AND APE FOR THESE POEPLE...well, ya gotta eat, but this is VERY VERY VERY BAAADDDDDDDDDDD, so please can u help?

HOW TO GET RID OF THESE POEPLE> SERGE is a millionaire, we ran him off of kauai, but I am too far away from big island to do anything. she is bringing some sort of fire mystery school thingie what the hell is that?...to the big island, where our sacred godess, pele lives and breaths, in the pit called halemaumau on Kilauea. Our hawaiian bloods are selling out to put food on the table, and letting their mana be used and sucked out of them. HELP...much more of you tha  us...i am in fear for the land, and if our Tutu (grandmother) gets mad if they try to do some wacko ceremonies, the volcano has been extremely activce and unstable this year. I am afraid this will cause a disaster.

 She is wearing those clothes, and the drum and everything else, and serge is a FREAKING LIAR PERIOD. THey are going to mess with Pele, the godess many still worship, (for real, like legitimately), as grandmother, and mother. She lives in the pit of halemaumau of the volcano. I dont know how to stop this. I am fdar away on Kauai we ran serge off thisisland, but now he is even richer on Big Island. these two cannot join forces, very bad vor everyone.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on March 17, 2009, 12:11:13 am
Protect Native Culture


OBJECTIVE REGARDING THIS SITE:

We began this site to squelch the actions of a specific plastic, self-styled, self-proclaimed medicine woman but upon doing so, we found (though it has always been known) the issue is much, much larger. Thus this site has expanded to take a stand - using the power of the internet age and this medium of Myspace specifically - to unite all nations! It does not matter what path you walk, from where your blood comes, we are gathered here to STAND UP FOR AND FIGHT TO PROTECT THE NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE! NATIVE SPIRITUALITY IS NOT A COMMODITY - IT IS NOT FOR SALE! Those who would steal a ceremonial song from here, a dance from there, charge for lodge, charge for ceremonies and charge to pray are not spiritual people! They are charlatans and theives and this site is dedicated to join the fight against such people and their actions in a peaceful, respectful yet STRONG way ~ SOLIDARITY IS OUR STRENGTH!

UPDATE: Rachel/suraj Holzworth has claimed before witnesses in Michigan to honor the requests and demands of the First People of North America. We will continue to monitor her actions very closely...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=368629610



What happened to this site? It's gone. Why?

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on March 17, 2009, 12:18:05 am
If you are talking of the MySpace site, it states  the user either cancelled their membership or the account was deleted.  Who was the owner of the account?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on March 17, 2009, 04:12:35 am
If you are talking of the MySpace site, it states  the user either cancelled their membership or the account was deleted.  Who was the owner of the account?

Cat Carnes and a friend of her's started that myspace not long after the incident in Weymouth last spring. There were several name changes, finally becoming Protect Native Culture. While the space originated to fight Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum, it was maturing into a site to combat all attempts to steal Native American spirituality. As their objectives stated: "STAND UP FOR AND FIGHT TO PROTECT THE NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE! NATIVE SPIRITUALITY IS NOT A COMMODITY - IT IS NOT FOR SALE! Those who would steal a ceremonial song from here, a dance from there, charge for lodge, charge for ceremonies and charge to pray are not spiritual people! They are charlatans and theives and this site is dedicated to join the fight against such people and their actions in a peaceful, respectful yet STRONG way ~ SOLIDARITY IS OUR STRENGTH!"

Wonder why they deleted it? Isn't this something worth fighting for? Isn't the theft and/or misappropriation of Native American culture and spirituality that important anymore? Maybe they got busy doing other things.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 18, 2009, 10:14:51 pm
She's baaaack: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=623913583519703344   

But, uh, you know, she's, uh, only here to, um, HEAL you.

It's really offensive; not only what Ego Fraud has to say, but also the other guy who speaks. Now she's claiming she's going to heal NDNs of "anger and negativity" and "release their souls" and "heal our stories" or something. The usual nuage bafflegab. Horrible.



Another offensive thing is that the largest part of the video, the second half, is an interview done the day before with someone who they say is a Native Hawaiian woman. That interview has nothing to do with Ego Fraud. But of course Ego Fraud, who speaks for less time than the Hawaiian woman or the white man, is billed as the star of this thing. Weird. I believe they said the Hawaiian woman is named "Aunt Emily" (?) I don't recall having heard of her, and haven't been able to find anything about her online, so I don't know if she's a known community activist and cultural worker, or if they just found someone to tokenize (or both).

Went back over the video to look at the subtitles: I think the woman is Hawaiian councilwoman Emily Naeole  http://www.co.hawaii.hi.us/council/district05.htm
http://www.2angels.net/auntieemily.htm

But again, there is no indication that this woman has any connection to Ego Fraud. It seems clear she's being used in an effort to legitimize what they're doing, but it's unclear whether she's actually involved in organizing this thing or being tokenized.



This is the website for the concert advertised in the video: http://www.liveh2o.org/ Apparently they're trying to do simultaneous events around the world.

They say Bill Miller is slated to play at the L.A. event (uh, maybe someone should ask him if he's actually listened to what these people have to say about NDNs...). 

I am assuming that once again Ego Fraud has talked her way into a gig by misrepresenting herself, and the organizers need to be informed of just who and what they've hired.

Oh dear. This is some of their promo text:

http://www.liveh2o.org/schedule/
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Live H2O: Concert For The Living Water           June 19th - 21st, 2009 Summer Solstice

Friday, June 19th, 2009: Magnificent miraculous water featuring world leading experts.

Saturday, June 20th, 2009: Grand performances in the musical matrix of creation, featuring artists tuned to lOVE (528Hz)

Sunday, June 21st, 2009: ‘A love experiment’ for the global spiritual renaissance. featuring world leading elders & holy persons.

How much you want to bet which category Ego Fraud has convinced them she fits into?

According to this press release: http://www.liveh2o.org/press/ Dr. Leonard Horowitz (the white guy in the video who also says appalling, offensive stuff) is the organizer of this thing. Maybe we need a thread on this entire event.

The press release also claims the Hawaiian councilwoman wants to use money raised by the concert to buy land in Hawaii "to build a Hawaiian cultural village to serve children with a history lesson, and tourists seeking to learn the wisdom and ancient ways of native Hawaiians."
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: frederica on March 19, 2009, 01:29:46 am
Looks like spending most of her time in Hawaii, Israel except for Sept and Oct, may be in Prescott Arizona and Sedona.  Then Mexico.                               http://whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: outershell on March 31, 2009, 03:16:45 am
If you are talking of the MySpace site, it states  the user either cancelled their membership or the account was deleted.  Who was the owner of the account?

Cat Carnes and a friend of her's started that myspace not long after the incident in Weymouth last spring. There were several name changes, finally becoming Protect Native Culture. While the space originated to fight Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum, it was maturing into a site to combat all attempts to steal Native American spirituality. As their objectives stated: "STAND UP FOR AND FIGHT TO PROTECT THE NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE! NATIVE SPIRITUALITY IS NOT A COMMODITY - IT IS NOT FOR SALE! Those who would steal a ceremonial song from here, a dance from there, charge for lodge, charge for ceremonies and charge to pray are not spiritual people! They are charlatans and theives and this site is dedicated to join the fight against such people and their actions in a peaceful, respectful yet STRONG way ~ SOLIDARITY IS OUR STRENGTH!"

Wonder why they deleted it? Isn't this something worth fighting for? Isn't the theft and/or misappropriation of Native American culture and spirituality that important anymore? Maybe they got busy doing other things.


The account could have been hacked, or deleted. or maybe Cat got sick..... could be anything.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on April 22, 2009, 05:06:08 am
If you are talking of the MySpace site, it states  the user either cancelled their membership or the account was deleted.  Who was the owner of the account?

Cat Carnes and a friend of her's started that myspace not long after the incident in Weymouth last spring. There were several name changes, finally becoming Protect Native Culture. While the space originated to fight Holzwarth and the Grandmother Drum, it was maturing into a site to combat all attempts to steal Native American spirituality. As their objectives stated: "STAND UP FOR AND FIGHT TO PROTECT THE NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE! NATIVE SPIRITUALITY IS NOT A COMMODITY - IT IS NOT FOR SALE! Those who would steal a ceremonial song from here, a dance from there, charge for lodge, charge for ceremonies and charge to pray are not spiritual people! They are charlatans and theives and this site is dedicated to join the fight against such people and their actions in a peaceful, respectful yet STRONG way ~ SOLIDARITY IS OUR STRENGTH!"

Wonder why they deleted it? Isn't this something worth fighting for? Isn't the theft and/or misappropriation of Native American culture and spirituality that important anymore? Maybe they got busy doing other things.


The account could have been hacked, or deleted. or maybe Cat got sick..... could be anything.


We'd have heard about it if the account was hacked. Obviously it's been deleted; I'm still wondering why. Nah, Cat hasn't been sick.

Could be anything . . . Yeah, guess you're right.

Could be . . .
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on April 27, 2009, 01:33:43 pm
New videos of White Ego in HAWAII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-O-361e92Q&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_iITsxLvho&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxxZGUE19og&feature=channel

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: mtig49 on April 27, 2009, 09:30:36 pm
Just thought i would share some comments and messages off my video White Eagle Medicine Woman Fraud today.


osira33 (10 hours ago)  The one that posted the above videos

We all must watch out how we project negativity when it is not rooted in love understanding and truth. Some chosen ones are guided by ancient sun gods the serapeum. That drum was built with the intention of bringing the hearts of the tribes and the world together we all should appreciate those who care and not desecrate pure conscious love and intention. The drum was built with an ancient knowledge and understanding. Be careful not to judge what you may not yet understand...

mtig49
The only ancient knowledge is "a fool and his money are soon parted" So how much did you pay?


osira33

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I paid nothing for true knowledge comes free when you ask
I know my bloodlines and consciousness back to the Sun Gods inAncient AMARAKA and OSIRIA which included North and South America all the way back 14,000 years from right now the Serapeum PTAH SOKAR OSIRIS, SHIVA VISHNU or SURYA and AMUN RA. I know the path of the Condor or actually Red Fire Phoenix for he is amongst us all now. These are and were his names for he has many more. Learn the truth know your history the land you are on is AMARAKA the ancient most powerful kingdom that will ever reigned. Before there were American Indians there was AMARAKA Land of The Immortal Sun Serpent Masters go and learn it. Your elders know...

My grandfather is full blooded Cherokee just so you know. I am the direct bloodline of the FIRE PHOENIX and the PELE temples here in HAWAII or AMARAKA to be correct check out http://www.amaraka.tv/home/?q=node/1 see for your self that the Sun Gods are real and were real. They are here to help us and medicine woman is being guided by the ancients as are many to wake up the world. I know this because she arrived when after I prayed on the date of the Rise Of the Phoenix 02/11/09 here at the FIRE most powerful point on the planet the Big Island Hawaii. We are all brothers and sisters. I understand your gripe but realize there are other higher forces at work here too.

Maybe she doesnt practice modern American Indian tradition and maybe American Indians dont follow ancient AMARAKA tradition but love and consciousness is all that really matters. There are many ancient ascension forms that all the tribes have lost that will soon be realized and rediscovered but we should not judge unless you know you have authority to. If you do judge then remember you assume the responsibility of the judgment and remember we are all being watched by much higher forces so we must make good decisions if we want to ascend.

Watch the slide show of giant Sarcophagus that are 15 feet to 35 feet in length. All the tribes are direct descendants as are you if you are American Indian. Surya the real savior of humanity was 35 feet tall. He stopped the fallen angels the Atlantean Druids the Titans from destroying the world and humans in the great war in Sinai which there is also pictures of in the slide show. Share this with everyone you know and remember the Golden Kingdom Is Come and we will build it in our lifetime I promise!!! Again read the story at http://www.amaraka.tv/home/?q=node/1 The most ancient name of the supreme light, Surya the sun god also known a Pshur Pati or PTAH SOKAR OSIRIS. This is the most powerful story that has never been told. Read this info and take it to heart for it is the most powerful truth that you and all will ever know.

Number 11 is the Ark or KA mantra listed below this is one of the more ancient tongues called Sanskrit, it is where all tribal languages originated from. It also represent the pentatonic scale and 4 side pyramid which holds the key to all know harmonics and mathematics. It is the master frequencies and scales this is this highest knowledge and the 4 primordial inter-dimensional gates. Read what the Pyramid Cheops in Giza Egypt was for. This knowledge directs all mater and consciousness because it is the deepest most powerful and purest truth.




Surya
Surya at Konarak Temple
Surya at Konarak Temple
God of the Sun
Devanagari ?????

Affiliation Graha
Consort Saranyu, Ragyi, Prabha, and Chhaya
Mount Chariot drawn by seven white horses
/ by seven-headed horse
(Charioteer:Aruna)[1]
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In Hinduism, Surya (Devanagari: ?????, s?rya, lit "the Supreme Light" [2]; Tamil: Suriya; Malay: Suria; Thai: Phra Athit) is the chief solar deity, one of the Adityas, son of Kasyapa and one of his wives, Aditi[3]; of Indra; or of Dyaus Pitar (depending by the version). The term "Surya" also refers to the Sun, in general. Surya has hair and arms of gold. Surya drives through the heaven in his triumphal chariot harnessed by seven horses or one horse with seven heads [4], which represent the seven colours of the rainbow or the seven chakras. He presides over "Surya-waar" or Sunday.

In Hindu religious literature, Surya is notably mentioned as the visible form of God that one can see every day. Furthermore, Shaivites and Vaishnavas often regard Surya as an aspect of Shiva and Vishnu, respectively. For example, the sun is called Surya Narayana by Vaishnavas. In Shaivite theology, Surya is said to be one of eight forms of Shiva, named the Astamurti.

His other names include Vivasvat (Sanskrit: ???????) (also Visvakarma or Vivasvan), Ravi (lit. "the Fire Bird" [5]), Aditya (lit. the son of Aditi) [6], Pusha (the best Purifier), Divakar (the maker of the day), Savita (the vivifier), Arka (the ray), Mitra (friend) [7], Bhanu (light), Bhaskar (maker of Light), and Grahapati (the Lord of Grahas) [8] .
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* 1 Depictions
* 2 Surya Namaskara, or the "Sun salutation"
* 3 Surya's religious role and mythic relationships
* 4 In astrology
* 5 Temples
* 6 See also
* 7 References
* 8 External links

[edit] Depictions

Sometimes Surya is depicted with two hands holding a lotus in both; sometimes he has four hands holding a lotus, chakra, a conch, and the fourth hand makes the gesture of protection. [9]

[edit] Surya Namaskara, or the "Sun salutation"

A well-known Hindu mode of worship of the devotional movements of Surya is done at the rising of the Sun, known as S?rya namask?ra (Sun Salutation). Ten yogic postures are assumed in successive flowing movements to complete one namaskar. Twelve sacred Hindu mantras uttered and for each mantra one complete namaskar is done. Ancient practice is to do 108 namaskaras a day. It is considered most auspicious by Hindus to do this.

The 12 mantras for surya namaskara:

1. ? ??????? ??? aum mitr?ya namah
2. ? ???? ??? aum ravayé namah
3. ? ??????? ??? aum s?ry?ya namah
4. ? ????? ??? aum bh?navé namah
5. ? ??? ??? aum khag?ya namah
6. ? ?????? ??? aum pushné namah
7. ? ???????????? ??? aum hiranyagarbh?ya namah
8. ? ???????? ??? aum m?rich?yé namah
9. ? ???????? ??? aum ?dity?ya namah
10. ? ???????? ??? aum s?vitré namah
11. ? ?????? ??? aum ?rk?ya namah
12. ? ???????? ??? aum bh?skar?ya namah

Aloha,
? ?????? ??
AMUN RA SURYA
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 27, 2009, 10:50:43 pm
Quote from: osira33
I know my bloodlines and consciousness back to the Sun Gods inAncient AMARAKA and OSIRIA

Wow. Good to know.   ::)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 14, 2009, 08:26:14 pm
She's Ba-a-ack.

(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/78/l_ec042fbaa9a2459f8e06041548f0c9b1.gif)

Don't Pay to Pray has posted an update with lots of links here: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=390878854&blogID=510040160
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on September 15, 2009, 05:40:15 am
Addresses and phone numbers of venues
(not the sponsors, but the landlords):

Appearing September 22, 2009, at:
Levittown Hall
203 Levittown Pkwy
Hicksville, NY 11801
(516) 933-6400

Appearing September 26-27, 2009, at:
Coast International Inn
3450 Aviation Avenue
Anchorage, AK 99503
(907) 243-2233
FAX:  (907) 248-3796
Toll Free 1-800-716-6199
International +800-800-26278
Email contact form:  https://www.coasthotels.com/contactus

Appearing October 16, 2009 (7pm-10pm), at:
Wantagh Memorial Congregational Church
1845 Wantagh Avenue,
Wantagh, NY 11793
(516) 785-1247

Appearing October 17, 2009 (10:30am-6:30pm), at:
Merrick Golf Course Clubhouse
2550  Clubhouse Road
Merrick, NY 11566
(516) 868-4650

Appearing October 23 (7pm–10pm) and October 24 (10am-6pm), at:
Comox Band Hall
3320 Comox Road
Courtenay, BC
V9N 3P8
CANADA
(Same address as the Comox Indian Band, (250) 339-4545.)
(Same address as the Kwakiutl District Council, (250) 339-6591.)

Kathryn, would you care to copy this back to the MySpace site? I'm not a member, so I couldn't leave a comment.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 15, 2009, 05:43:23 am
On the Pay to Pray blog post?

Yeah, I can do that. Thanks for putting this together.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nighthawk on September 19, 2009, 08:07:19 am
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on September 23, 2009, 06:03:55 am
Cool! This thread got cited (and the venue addresses put to good use) here:
<http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml (http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2009/09/107415.shtml)>

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White Eagle Woman Evokes Anger and Outrage from First Nations People

The Grandmother Drum Project is universally denounced as fraudulent by First Nations Groups

By Lisa Hill

First Nations groups are once again outraged that the controversial Rachel Holzwarth, aka Suraj Holzwarth aka Rachel Holzworth aka White Eagle Woman of the whirling Rainbow Foundation will be appearing in the Northeastern United States with her Grandmother Drum Project.

White Eagle Woman is tentatively scheduled to be appearing on September 22, 2009, to speak to the members of the LI Reiki group at the Levittown Hall 203 Levittown Pkwy in Hicksville, New York. Holzworth will be speaking about her documentary film/drumming and singing session presented by Marjorie Harriz, RMT and Karin Tamborello,RMT. Holzwoth will also be appearing October 16, 2009 (7pm-10pm), at Wantagh Memorial Congregational Church 1845 Wantagh Avenue, Wantagh, NY 11793 and again on October 17, 2009 (10:30am-6:30pm), at Merrick Golf Course Clubhouse 2550 Clubhouse Road Merrick, NY 11566.

Holzworth has been universally denounced as a fraud throughout Indian Country and Holzworth’s “Prayerformances” have drawn several angry protests from First Nations groups across North America. The controversy surrounding her Grandmother Drum project has done something remarkable in Indian Country – to unite diverse Native peoples against a common enemy – those who shamelessly exploit their ceremonies and culture for profit.

[... Article continues, at length....]
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: KIS on September 23, 2009, 02:56:34 pm
Osira 33
In response to your comment: "Maybe she doesn't practice modern American Indian tradition and maybe American Indians don't follow ancient AMARAKA tradition but love and consciousness is all that really matters..."

Love and consciousness do matter, and that's exactly what Suraj is NOT doing if she steals and bastardizes Native culture and traditions to promote her own agenda. But by pretending to be who she isn't, and by working with other who misrepresent their cultures and place in it, she shows great disrespect to her audience and traditional Native and Indigenous peoples.

Also, raking in money through subterfuge is not what the truly spiritual people do. Native people don't pay to attend ceremonies held by legitimate spiritual leaders. A gift may be offered, but not required.  Attendance and prayer are free.

Another issue pointing to Suraj's illegitimacy is that, (I've been told), the Fish and Wildlife Division has taken away her feathers used in ceremony. Only Native people may possess these feathers, and they must apply to do so. To illegally own them could lead to jail time and heavy fines.

These 46 pages of New Age Fraud Boards messages regarding Suraj should be a big red warning sign to those who are considering attending her events.  Perhaps you might give your money, instead, to a needy children's or elder's group, then go find a corner and pray on your own. Creator will still hear you while your money is spent on real prayers.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: KIS on September 23, 2009, 03:01:00 pm
Osira 33
In response to your comment: "Maybe she doesn't practice modern American Indian tradition and maybe American Indians don't follow ancient AMARAKA tradition but love and consciousness is all that really matters..."

Love and consciousness do matter, and that's exactly what Suraj is NOT doing if she steals and bastardizes Native culture and traditions to promote her own agenda. But by pretending to be who she isn't, and by working with other who misrepresent their cultures and place in it, she shows great disrespect to her audience and traditional Native and Indigenous peoples.

Also, raking in money through subterfuge is not what the truly spiritual people do. Native people don't pay to attend ceremonies held by legitimate spiritual leaders. A gift may be offered, but not required.  Attendance and prayer are free.

Another issue pointing to Suraj's illegitimacy is that, (I've been told), the Fish and Wildlife Division has taken away her feathers used in ceremony. Only Native people may possess these feathers, and they must apply to do so. To illegally own them could lead to jail time and heavy fines.

These 46 pages of New Age Fraud Boards messages regarding Suraj should be a big red warning sign to those who are considering attending her events.  Perhaps you might give your money, instead, to a needy children's or elder's group, then go find a corner and pray on your own. Creator will still hear you while your money is spent on real prayers.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: NCRunningWolf on September 23, 2009, 09:48:47 pm
New videos of White Ego in HAWAII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-O-361e92Q&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_iITsxLvho&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxxZGUE19og&feature=channel


There was something there that hurt my ears. ???
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on September 24, 2009, 08:52:02 am
Another issue pointing to Suraj's illegitimacy is that, (I've been told), the Fish and Wildlife Division has taken away her feathers used in ceremony. Only Native people may possess these feathers, and they must apply to do so. To illegally own them could lead to jail time and heavy fines.

The feathers were confiscated on Friday, May 2, 2008, at the Circle of Light Community Center in Michigan, during one of Holzwarth's events being protested. A witness there describes it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtJYR-neIY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtJYR-neIY)

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on September 24, 2009, 01:49:58 pm
Osira 33
In response to your comment: "Maybe she doesn't practice modern American Indian tradition and maybe American Indians don't follow ancient AMARAKA tradition but love and consciousness is all that really matters..."

Love and consciousness do matter, and that's exactly what Suraj is NOT doing if she steals and bastardizes Native culture and traditions to promote her own agenda. But by pretending to be who she isn't, and by working with other who misrepresent their cultures and place in it, she shows great disrespect to her audience and traditional Native and Indigenous peoples.

Also, raking in money through subterfuge is not what the truly spiritual people do. Native people don't pay to attend ceremonies held by legitimate spiritual leaders. A gift may be offered, but not required.  Attendance and prayer are free.

Another issue pointing to Suraj's illegitimacy is that, (I've been told), the Fish and Wildlife Division has taken away her feathers used in ceremony. Only Native people may possess these feathers, and they must apply to do so. To illegally own them could lead to jail time and heavy fines.

These 46 pages of New Age Fraud Boards messages regarding Suraj should be a big red warning sign to those who are considering attending her events.  Perhaps you might give your money, instead, to a needy children's or elder's group, then go find a corner and pray on your own. Creator will still hear you while your money is spent on real prayers.


KIS you're responding to comments MTIG49 copied and pasted from his Youtube videos.  Osira33 doesn't post here, however if you follow some of the youtube links Sizzle posted you'll find that one of the people putting the new videos about R. Holzwarth is Osira33.  Those videos are still open to comment on.  Have fun, but it'll probably be like talking to a tablecloth IMHO.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on September 25, 2009, 12:54:20 am
Interesting thread on ego fraud here:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/msg/277b80268980f338? (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/msg/277b80268980f338?)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: outershell on September 26, 2009, 08:10:31 pm
Addresses and phone numbers of venues
(not the sponsors, but the landlords):

Appearing October 17, 2009 (10:30am-6:30pm), at:
Merrick Golf Course Clubhouse
2550  Clubhouse Road
Merrick, NY 11566
(516) 868-4650


a golf course?
what is that about?
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 26, 2009, 08:50:57 pm
Merrick Golf Course Clubhouse
2550  Clubhouse Road
Merrick, NY 11566
(516) 868-4650

a golf course?
what is that about?

A country club on Long Island? You can hardly get more all-white, and historically racist, than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick,_New_York :

"Demographics

"As of the census[1] of 2000 ....  The racial makeup of [Merrick, NY] was 95.2% White, 0.6% African American, 0.10% Native American, 2.24% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 0.94% from other races, and 0.98% from two or more races.

"The median income for a household in [Merrick, NY] was $93,132, and the median income for a family was $99,589 (According to a 2007 estimate, these values had risen to $111,536 and $122,319 respectively)."

Rich white people in a gated, valet-parking, all-white environment... dressing up and playing NDN. It's her perfect target market is what it is.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 28, 2009, 06:34:26 am
She's on Facebook now, as "White Eagle" http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1002852562

The funny thing? It says, "White only shares certain information with everyone. If you know White, add her as a friend on Facebook."

And under her picture it says, "Send White a Message"

*snerk*
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: uktena on October 28, 2009, 07:26:22 pm
I was reading some of the post here from osira33.  Thank you, mtig49, for sharing them with us.

And of course, there's lots of stuff here to get me going.   8)  We've all seen this sort of thing before, long-winded laundry lists of assertions without proof, name-dropping from world mythologies, all of it somehow trying to tell the Indians what their culture really is, and what they should do about it.  Like some of the other modern mythologies,  this one seems to start from the point of view that globalization is several thousand years old, and that Hindu, Egyptian, and Native American cultures are basically the same thing if you look deeply enough at them.  Not to mention how we're all encouraged to give up our own customs and traditions for the sake of this really, really authentic, no-kidding-it-really-is, ancient globalized culture.  

And, man, where do they come up with these names?  It's like somebody pulled Scrabble tiles out of a bag at random, and inserted vowels where needed.

I know my bloodlines and consciousness back to the Sun Gods inAncient AMARAKA and OSIRIA which included North and South America all the way back 14,000 years from right now the Serapeum PTAH SOKAR OSIRIS, SHIVA VISHNU or SURYA and AMUN RA. I know the path of the Condor or actually Red Fire Phoenix for he is amongst us all now. These are and were his names for he has many more. Learn the truth know your history the land you are on is AMARAKA the ancient most powerful kingdom that will ever reigned. Before there were American Indians there was AMARAKA Land of The Immortal Sun Serpent Masters go and learn it. Your elders know...

My, my, where to start?

Well, how about starting with the idea, universal amongst Newagers, that the sun is always male? In our present culture, sun=male and moon=female largely comes from Classical mythology.  Even in Egypt, they had both male and female deities for the sun, moon, and earth.  Many indigenous mythologies had sun goddesses and moon gods.  This, along with the owl as a symbol of wisdom (a Greek idea), and the spectrum having seven colors (from Isaac Newton) that correspond to the seven chakras (mid-20th century), are sure signs of a contemporary goulash.

Osiris and Amun Ra were both Egyptian, but were not the same god, and in fact, did not really even move much in the same social circles.   Likewise, there was no Hindu god called "Shiva Vishnu", there was Shiva, and there was Vishnu. They were fundamentally related, but again, did not usually appeal to the same groups of worshippers.   Ptah-Sokar-Osiris was a real Egyptian god, where the three formerly separate gods came to be identified and worshipped together.  They were never, of course, associated with the Hindu god Surya, or for that matter, any of the Egyptian sun gods, because they largely had to do with the powers of the earth.

... the Serapeum PTAH SOKAR OSIRIS, SHIVA VISHNU or SURYA and AMUN RA.

Uhm, no.  She seems to think a "serapeum" is some class of divine being.  It is not--it is, in fact, the name of a certain kind of temple dedicated to one of the syncretic Graeco-Egyptian gods.  She seems to be pushing syncretism to the Nth degree,  but she has no business trying to pretend it's "ancient" in any way.  For that matter, this variety of syncretism only goes back to Alexander the Great's time.  Technically ancient, but nowhere near 14,000 years old.   I suspect she's confusing "serapeum" with "seraphim", a class of angels in Judeo-Christianity.  They are described as fiery in appearance, so I can see how she would mistake them for solar gods, I mean, who wouldn't?  ;D  Remember, names don't matter, getting it right doesn't matter, only love and consciousness do.  ::)

I'm sure all the Indians here are happy to learn that their ancestors called their land "Amaraka" and "Osiria" 14.000 years ago.  ;D  Actually, there was never a land called "Osiria", a name clearly based on the name Osiris,  which is not even that particular god's real name.  It's actually the Greek mispronunciation of "Asar" or "Usir".  They can't be listening to these gods' messages very closely, if they can't even get the names right.  Osiris was, in any case, entirely unknown outside of the Mediterranean area.

"Amaraka"--do I have to say anthing about that one?  ;D  Other than, I'm an Amarakan and damn proud of it, so I guess that means I, too, channel  the powers of the fire phoenix or condor.  Oh, wait a minute.  The condor is an actual, documented South American bird, and the phoenix is a mythical creature in Graeco-Egyptian lore.  Never mind.

It always tickles me how these people think that altering familiar names make them sound more "ancient" or "authentic" or something

Learn the truth know your history the land you are on is AMARAKA the ancient most powerful kingdom that will ever reigned. Before there were American Indians there was AMARAKA Land of The Immortal Sun Serpent Masters go and learn it. Your elders know...

I just bet they do.  So what do you say, your elders are really holding out on everybody by not telling them all this stuff about the Immortal Sun Serpent Masters, which they certainly know about, it says right here.

In the middle of all this nonsensical goulash of Greek, Egyptian, and Hindu scraps, and right before suddenly going off to Hawaii, we have this little gem, having nothing whatever to do with what comes before or after it"  My grandfather is full blooded Cherokee just so you know  Oh, well, that settles the matter, doesn't it?  All the full-blooded Cherokees I know, talk all the time about Osiris and Shiva and the phoenix and AMARAKA-OSIRIA and the Immortal Sun Serpent Masters, so that gives her the right to spout off as much nonsense as possible   ::)

 I am the direct bloodline of the FIRE PHOENIX and the PELE temples here in HAWAII or AMARAKA to be correct

So now AMARAKA (don't forget the all caps!) is really Hawaii, and not North or South America.  Or maybe since Hawaii is now one of the AMARAKan states, it counts as an honorary part of North AMARAKA.

... but we should not judge unless you know you have authority to. If you do judge then remember you assume the responsibility of the judgment and remember we are all being watched by much higher forces so we must make good decisions if we want to ascend.

Oh, man, she should NEVER have given us an opening like that one!  For once, I agree with her 100%.  Anyone who has the authority to judge what she says, which would be anyone with a high-school education, is welcome to do so, just be reasonable about it, and remember that your Higher Power is keeping an eye on you.  Have at her, y'all!  ;D

All the stuff about Surya is correct, but only because it is copied directly out of Wikipedia.  Surya Namaskar is a genuine practice in Yoga.  In its full form, it is a spiritual practice of "homage to the Sun" (which is what the name means); in the West these days, only the 12 physical postures are practiced, purely as a form of physical culture, without the religious aspects.   As a matter of fact, there are dozens of versions of Surya Namaskar, not all of them have 12 postures, and few people today learn the mantras that go with them.   I still don't know what any of this has to do with Hawaii, since Yoga was not practiced there until introduced in the 20th century, and still less what it has to do with AMARAKA or 35-foot-tall Suryas.  And speaking of that....

Surya the real savior of humanity was 35 feet tall. He stopped the fallen angels the Atlantean Druids the Titans from destroying the world and humans in the great war in Sinai which there is also pictures of in the slide show

Say whut?  ???  The Hindu sun god Surya stopped the Christian fallen angels who were really the Atlantean Druids, who we all thought were Celts, and were also the Titans, who were Greek, from destroying the world in the great war in Sinai, which is part of Egypt, a war nobody ever heard of until now, and oh yes, it's all right there in our slideshow.  And just when some of it was starting to make sense, too!

Kathryn, would you care to comment on the idea that the Druids were actually Atlantean Titan fallen angels?  This is a bit out of my league, but I'm sure you know all about it.  ;)  Right now, I think I'm in need of a Marx Brothers film.


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 29, 2009, 08:43:28 pm
Kathryn, would you care to comment on the idea that the Druids were actually Atlantean Titan fallen angels?  This is a bit out of my league, but I'm sure you know all about it.  ;)  Right now, I think I'm in need of a Marx Brothers film.

*sigh*  ::)

I second the Marx Brothers suggestion. They probably know more about this than the author does.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: goozih on October 29, 2009, 10:49:53 pm
I  accidentally saw a thumbnail on youtube of this lady and the mother of all drums so I clicked on it and Bamm! first I burst into laughter, then I threw up a little . It is scarey what people will fall for.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Sizzle Flambé on November 01, 2009, 01:24:50 pm
And just when some of it was starting to make sense, too!

If it made sense, you could get on top of it.

If it were completely senseless (blibbetty-blibbetty), you wouldn't bother listening at all.

So it's been the perfect mixture to hold your attention all this while, hasn't it?

Mission accomplished.

Further reading:
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 08, 2010, 07:33:14 pm
All the frauds, pretendians and predators are attempting to resurface on Facebook:

The Grandmother Drum International Peace Project (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=312593558899#!/group.php?v=info&ref=search&gid=312593558899) [sic] Profile: This includes the schedule of her upcoming racist debacles. Time to call and email the venues and get her canceled (again).

"Wall" of her group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=312593558899) where you can see the fools who've fallen for her schtick, and the ignorant newage crap they post.

White Chicken Fraud's personal profile (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=312593558899#!/profile.php?id=1002852562&ref=mf) you'll notice she's still wearing her fake regalia.

Ego Fraud's "Wall" (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=search&gid=312593558899#!/profile.php?v=wall&ref=mf&id=1002852562) where you can see the foolish lies she posts and the fools who believe her.

In the lower left corner of every page, facebook content can be reported for fraud, racism, or other violations. People are reporting her pages, commenting on her pages, and messaging the people who've friended her to alert them she's a fraud.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 11, 2010, 04:43:29 am
Her personal profile is still up, but it appears her "Grandmother Drum" group page is gone. No idea whether it was removed due to complaints to Facebook, or if she's feeling the heat and going semi-underground again.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: NDN_Outlaw on March 11, 2010, 11:12:01 pm
47 pages . This must be a new record.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 12, 2010, 10:50:35 pm
Her Hawaii event. Per usual, have barf bag at hand: http://www.kalani.com/workshops/2010/igniting-rainbow-fire

Contact page for the Director and other employees of the resort: http://www.kalani.com/contact?edit[cid]=9#cform  (You may have to copy and paste that url into your browser)

All you have to do is fill in the report on that page. Fast and easy. Phone numbers included, if you're feeling vocal. I linked them to online articles about how she's been denounced by all the groups she claims to represent. How no one has given her any teachings to pass on, let alone sell. Maybe people should also be reminded of how James Ray has done similar things, and look where it got him.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: bls926 on March 13, 2010, 05:27:19 am
Letter written to the Kalani Resort. I included the link to this thread; mentioned that Fish and Wildlife confiscated her eagle and hawk feathers in 2008; told them that many venues have uninvited her over the past couple years once they discovered the truth about her. Also compared Holzwarth to James Arthur Ray.

Hope it does some good.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 14, 2010, 12:32:35 am
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs464.ash1/25502_1341071934325_1456983684_915707_2719819_n.jpg)

I don't know who made this one, but it's brilliant.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: dabosijigwokush on March 14, 2010, 03:04:47 am
sent this to Hawaii authorities

alert blood born contamination
this person in question has a over-sized drum that has human blood smeared on the out side face of the hide, please test hide for contamination
She noticed that his blood was puddled on the floor. I watched her put her right hand down on the hard wooden floor, wet with his blood, and then deliberately rub her hand around on the little, red puddle. She paused and then rubbed both hands together. She went to the drum and rubbed the blood off her hands and onto the drum skin.
http://jayfulton.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/grandmother_peace_drum_and_pepper-spray/

this over-sized drum also has human remains in it do not know if it is contained or loose
Cremations are considered movable property. Have to be in a sealed container with no chance of leakage. Have to have permission from Country Consulate to cross International Borders. Many companies such as UPS and FedX will not ship due to possible leakage. I still can't figure how she has this in the drum, either it is in a container or she is not telling people it is there. So all you can do is notify.

she is currently in your jurisdiction, if she is in position of feathers , she is not native and has no rights to them, she is breaking federal laws
http://www.kalani.com/workshops/2010/igniting-rainbow-fire

Rachel Holzwarth - Suraj Holzwart?
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 14, 2010, 05:59:48 am
She just keeps at it. The Facebook group is back up, just private and it doesn't show up in searches:

The Grandmother Drum International Peace Project (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=722085923#!/group.php?gid=312593558899&ref=mf) [sic]

Privacy Type: Closed: Limited public content. Members can see all content.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on March 15, 2010, 02:43:34 am
I see on Facebook that a person can type up an ad. Don't know if there is any charge for this, if not, then it might be fun to place an 'ad' debunking this schmuck?  :D
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: flyingdust on March 15, 2010, 08:11:52 am
This one takes the cake. I watched the video posted earlier on this thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOgC5vdyk04&feature=player_embedded.  Just Cheesy! Couldn't stop laughing.  Then I read the article about her smearing the Indian protester's blood on her mammoth drum.  That creeped me out. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: quicksilverwade on March 17, 2010, 10:14:50 pm
here is the link that i posted a comment and mentioned cremated remains. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOgC5vdyk04

and here is the private message that i received:

ahava528 has sent you a message:

reply to your comment - please read with honor
hello friend!
why did you comment like this on my video?

"ha ha, there are cremated human remains in that drum and those stupid people are breathing it in." + "
"CREMATED REMAINS IN THAT DRUM"

my grandparents were cremated in the holocaust murder of the jewish people in europe in 1930's.

it was not nice at all to recieve this from you and hurt my emotions.
please don't do it again. thank you.

and i'm sorry if my video offended you in some way. if this is about "white eagle woman" story.. please settle it with her, not with me. not with my videos.
She has an email and website, you can contact her and settle your fight if you have one with her.
i don't see any other reason why you would write words of hate like this to a positive video of someone (me) that you don't know.
i'm attaching a video of mine for you to open your heart i hope :)
with respect,

Amiti


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: outershell on March 18, 2010, 06:43:19 pm
can we report the group on facebook? 

She just keeps at it. The Facebook group is back up, just private and it doesn't show up in searches:

The Grandmother Drum International Peace Project (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=722085923#!/group.php?gid=312593558899&ref=mf) [sic]

Privacy Type: Closed: Limited public content. Members can see all content.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on March 18, 2010, 07:25:16 pm
can we report the group on facebook? 

She just keeps at it. The Facebook group is back up, just private and it doesn't show up in searches:

The Grandmother Drum International Peace Project (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=722085923#!/group.php?gid=312593558899&ref=mf) [sic]

Privacy Type: Closed: Limited public content. Members can see all content.


Sure can. Go to the page, look at the left-hand column below the picture and blurb. Click on "Report Group"
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on March 19, 2010, 04:35:10 am
It's a little disappointing though, that you can't type in why you're reporting it.. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: tachia on March 19, 2010, 06:58:22 pm
instead of merely reporting the group .. there is another option .. report the group for "intellectual property infringement" .. our Spirituality and Culture is our intellectual property .. .. to report this way, go here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=312593558899&ref=mf#!/legal/copyright.php?noncopyright_notice=1&type=1&uid=0&cid=312593558899&cid2=0&h=f87459af6d

or: click on report this group, then  at the bottom of that you will see: "Is this your intellectual property?" .. click that and it takes you to the proper page (URL above)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on March 19, 2010, 10:30:55 pm
Ok, well, I couldn't/can't do that as it's not my intellectual or spiritual property.  I just said it was an ad/spam. 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: tachia on March 20, 2010, 06:01:30 pm
legaleze is not my area, but i do not see why anyone could not use this to report a page .. even if it is not your own "intellectual property" .. i might be wrong though .. idk .. but see the bold below from the report page .. .. if your not the owner why not be able, especially as a member here that is fighting FOR us, to still check yes as someone "legally authorized to act on behalf of the owner" .. my way of seeing this crap with these frauds is that we can use all the help we can get .. the wording "legally authorized" leaves room for interpretation .. anyhow, it was just a thought on perhaps a more effective way of reporting this "EGO woman" and others like her .. .. ..

(copy of the report page-text only)

Notice of Intellectual Property Infringement (Non-Copyright Claim)
Name:
Mailing Address:
Telephone:
E-Mail:
(Note that we routinely provide your contact information to the user that posted the content you are reporting)

What are the rights infringed?

Are you the owner of such rights or a person legally authorized to act on behalf of the owner?
  Yes  No


Where does the infringing content appear on the Facebook site? Please include the URLs.

How does the content infringe your rights?

By submitting this notice, you declare under penalty of perjury that all of the information contained in this notice is accurate and that the use of your intellectual property described above, in the manner you have complained of, is not authorized by the rights owner, its agent, or the law.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 15, 2010, 04:52:01 pm
Just a bit of an update.  She's still at it (of course).  Just checked out her page.  The board of directors page is gone...just a message that there's a new board coming soon.

One of the newer things she's selling...Spirit Walk sessions with her personally with add-ons....  The Spirit Walk sessions are nothing new, she's been selling them for years, but now, for more money you can add on recordings and transcripts.  One of the things that I really find disturbing is yet another fraudulent claim attributed to Native peoples again....

On the page
http://whirlingrainbow.com/sessions.htm

She states:

"White Eagle Medicine Woman is known by indigenous cultures as a "Spirit Walker", a medium that the Ancestors, Ancient Ones, GrandMothers, Grandfathers and Masters in the Spirit World use to bring direct guidance for individuals and groups."

This claim is very general, but also a falsehood.  Someone running across her might ask "What indigenous culture knows you as a Spirit Walker?"

I'm sure the answer would be very entertaining and completely lacking in specifics as that's how she operates.  Definitely another lie.

Pricing for these sessions (2 hrs recorded)
Individual 2 hr. Spirit Walk Session with recording $222.00 
Individual 2 hr. Spirit Walk Session with recording and written transcription $322.00
Add on only: Transcript to above Spirit Walk Session $100
Add on only: Illuminated     Light Shields Painting: Visionary Artist and Healer, Tymoreye Elliot assists White Eagle by offering a personalized Light Shield of the messages revealed in the Spirit Walk session to continue to assist you in your growth. $60
(Hey Samantha (aka Tymoreye) has to make money too)
Group Spirit Walk  Sessions

Group 2 hr. Session with recording only $33.00 (group minimum- 10 people) (That's at least $330 minimum per group)
Group Spirit Walk 2 hr. Session with recording and written transcription $44.00 (Again at least $440 minimum per group)
Group Spirit Walk: Add on only: Transcript and recording $22
Group Spirit Walk: Add on only: Transcript $11


Just a small update.  She still doesn't seem to be operating too much in the states, but as we know she's stopped putting most of her domestic travel dates on the website to avoid hurting her business by allowing protesters to know where she'd be.  They usually come out through her e-mail list or newsletter.

Superdog

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 15, 2010, 05:35:01 pm
She's also attempting to purchase land in the Chugach Mountains.
------------------------------------------
http://whirlingrainbow.com/newsletter.htm

POTENTIAL WHIRLING RAINBOW CENTER LANDS

How Cool is This!!!!

Grandmother Drum and the Whirling Rainbow Foundation has the opportunity to purchase sacred lands in the Chugach Mountains for a sustainable community and Sacred Sound Temple for Grandmother Drum. Its been a dream of ours for 15 years. Please check out the land on our youtube and come on Facebook and tell us what you see and feel for this Sacred Santuary and Global Center.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO66TQlY7Ok
-------------------------------------------

She's also teamed up with a guy named Marshall "Golden Eagle" Jack and is working with him on something he calls the Nine Pointed Star Ceremony.

His page is here:
http://www.goldeneagleceremonies.com/default.htm

The page says he's a member of the Washoe Tribe of California and Nevada.  He seems a very dubious character as well.  While he doesn't have any prices for anything he lists several ceremonies that he conducts including:

-----------------------------------------------------
http://www.goldeneagleceremonies.com/about.html

Consecration of Sweatlodges, Pipe Ceremonies, Master of Ceremony in various Native American events, Preservation of Sacred Sites through Ceremony, Bear Ceremony,Healing Ceremony, Drum Ceremony, Song Ceremony, Fasting Ceremony and Vision Quest Leader.

------------------------------------------------------

The whole page is written almost as a resume where he definitely seems to be advertising all the things he does and will do if you request him to.  Mostly he seems to join on to other people's events and serve as an NDN spiritual guide.  He may need more looking into.  The pipe ceremonies, sweatlodge consecration, fasting and vision quests raise up red flags for me.  Listening to some of the music and seeing Holzwarth's vids on the net it's a definite possibility that some of the "chants" she sings come from Marshall.  I've definitely seen a workshop where she's singing "the Travelling Bear Song" from Marshall's site.  Could just be an old song though....someone from the Washoe communities would have to enlighten us more.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on June 15, 2010, 05:55:28 pm
I had to google Chugach Mountains http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chugach_Mountains

I wonder how far that site is from the community of First Nations people who kicked her off their land and told her to never come back.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 15, 2010, 06:07:46 pm
One more additions about Marshall Jack....

Found a page that associates him with Bennie Lebeau (aka Blue Thunder).  The site's info on Marshall includes an outrageous claim to work with many famous Chiefs and medicine men from various tribes (all of them now historical figures)

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/viisions/viisions/gallery.htm

"Member of the Washoe Tribe of California and Nevada, affiliated with the Southern Piaute and Central Miwok Tribes. Family history includes great-grandparents and grandparents who were medicine people and healers.

Has trained extensively underneath spiritual and medicine Elders, from the Washoe, Shoshone, Piaute, and Miwok nations since 1960. Spiritual Leader/Advisor, Ceremonial Leader and Healer. It has been shown that nine chiefs work with him. These chiefs are Black Elk (Sioux), Sitting Bull (Sioux), White Buffalo Calf Woman (Sioux), Tecumsch (Shawnee), Sequoia (Cherokee), Kooteni Chief (Canada), Black Hawk (Sauk and Fox), Chief Joseph (Nez Perce), and Red Cloud (Sioux).

Ceremony leadership encompasses leading persons and spirits through birth, joining in marriage, death and beyond. Ceremonies include blessing of homes and sacred sites such as petroglyphs, ancient ruins and burial sites. "

----------------------
Holay!....hard to get any holier than that....White Buffalo Calf Woman is even listed there....seems like picking and choosing anyone who made it into the history books as a famous historical NDN leader.  Hard to attribute this info to Marshall himself...I'd put that on the website, but you might note that some of these figures are not Chiefs even though they are listed as such.

You might also notice the Spirit Mountain Ranch at the bottom of the page with several pictures of white buffaloes.  The site says the latest one makes 9 born at the ranch.  So much for all the hubbub about the others. 

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 16, 2010, 05:39:49 pm
An interesting link...she's doing a lot of blogging and advertising in other countries this one contains a request from none other than William Burchett (aka William Jervis aka Turtle Winds Firewalker) on the bottom of the page to book her.

http://palenque2012.ning.com/profile/WhiteEagleMedicineWoman

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Twinkie_Slayer on September 19, 2010, 11:31:25 pm
 I have been looking over her web site, and on her schedule page she has dates of Oct. 2-3 in Davis, CA. listed as tentative. It's just over the hill from my area about an 80 minute drive. No location given, and I emailed asking for details several days ago...still no reply. I'd like to do *something*, though I'm not sure what I'd be able to accomplish.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on September 19, 2010, 11:42:51 pm
A few friends, a few signs, a few calls to the media.... a video to put on YouTube...
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Twinkie_Slayer on September 20, 2010, 01:07:02 am
  First I need to find time and location. I have a feeling that they are somewhat paranoid and may not give out that info to someone they don't know.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cetan on September 20, 2010, 03:55:54 pm
I called Fish and Wildlife when she was in this area - and they showed up at her event and confiscated her eagle feathers! She may have more by now so a call to Fish and Wildlife is not a bad idea once you find the location
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Twinkie_Slayer on September 24, 2010, 06:25:36 pm
Still no success in finding their location.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Mahekun on October 09, 2010, 12:42:01 am
I've been following this thread for a few days and am appalled at the audacity of this woman...I believe she is either very cunning or is mentally ill.
As a member of the Métis Nation of Quebec I am angry to see her abusing traditional ways and tools in this fashion. She gives true Métis a bad name by impostoring.

Looking at her web site today it looks like she still has her bastardized versions of sacred items for sale in her little shop...and it looks like she's still wearing her hideous abortion of a "regalia". I didn't see any mention of Seneca heritage in the bio, but she sure is still trying to get her message and lies across visually. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on October 09, 2010, 12:50:10 am
Still claims "Seneca descent" in this pdf: http://whirlingrainbow.com/text/aboutdrumkeeper.pdf
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on October 14, 2010, 02:06:18 pm
Thought I would check in and see what was going on with Suraj. I did some research and found her on Facebook, and also checked out their website -
Seems they are still selling their psuedo native crafts...
http://whirlingrainbow.com/ceremonial.htm
Facebook (their foundation) seems Suraj has really been working every angle she can to bilk people still...
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2081081&id=1002852562
Whirling Rainbow Foundation seeks your support to secure this acquisition. We seek to raise $480,000 by October 31, 2010. We have received an initial donation of $50,000. We request your contribution toward the remaining $430,000. With your support, we will begin to create an international facility that will serve all Nations and all people in our quest for global peace and universal harmony. WE WELCOME YOUR SUPPORT IN THE REALIZING THIS VISION!
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I thought this was interesting...
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162856357073911&index=1

And her newsletter...she is still doing her hokey drum workshops and posting her hokey pics with beaded headbands etc.


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You still find Native references and her crazy pics of herself everywhere... she has adapted to the outcry against what she is doing... but it makes her no more legitimate than before. She is still a thief.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: White Horse on December 20, 2010, 03:06:30 pm
She has re-surfaced on Facebook. I was checking people I might know section and White Eagle Medine Woman was one of the people listed with over 3000 followers. Here is a link to her Facebook page:   http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=1002852562

Info she posted about herself:   White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth) is the director and drum keeper of the International GrandMother Drum Peace Project. She is an international shamanic healer, seer, and ritual and performance artist

Employers   

    * The Whirling Rainbow Foundation
      Executive Director
      The Whirling Rainbow Foundation is an international spiritual and educational 501c3 organization which honors and celebrates the diverse cultural and spiritual paths of the human family. The foundation cultivates the universal teachings of inner peace, loving compassion, wisdom and understanding at the core of every culture and spiritual tradition.

Sorry I wanted to post this in Frauds section, but I didn't see a new topic button on page.  Thanks, White Horse 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: White Horse on December 20, 2010, 03:09:16 pm
Link to video of her grandmother drum. She still keeps bringing it out?  http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/video/video.php?v=1529988521984
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on December 20, 2010, 08:52:18 pm
Thanks, Sal. I am glad yopu got these posted  and am sorry I did not get back to you. We have lots going on at home right now and some emails did n ot get answered in a timely manner.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on February 23, 2011, 06:31:24 pm
Just when you thought it was over  :-X

http://whirlingrainbow.com/schedule.htm

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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cat on February 23, 2011, 06:34:46 pm
..and their crazy drums for sale.... http://whirlingrainbow.com/painteddrums.htm
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: naparyaq on March 07, 2011, 05:48:02 am

It turns out that a different phony wannabe in Alaska circles back to Eklutna, White Eagle and Whirling Rainbow, "GrandMother Drum" thing. ...(sigh)...of course. Predictable. Alaska's just not big enough. It's so strange how it all comes back around.

The reason I bring it here is that it's a really fine illustration of how some of the really bad stuff perpetuates itself, seemingly without consequence. White Eagle Medicine Woman is becoming quite wealthy and a landholder.
There's an Alaska prostitute claiming to have "carnal knowledge" of Todd Palin. She's got a blog and soliciting donations because she's broke, abandoned by her family, and suffering much for having attempted to "tell her story." In the meantime, she's holding out for a million-dollar deal with National Enquirer or some other magazine.

This woman offered up a prayer for Todd Palin on her blog. It was all kinds of crazy twinkie crap and obviously baloney. Badly done embarrassing baloney, "All My Relations," a bunch of stuff mispelled that was supposed to be Lakota.
She was cautioned about this, to which she responded that she can say whatever she wants, that her parents have been adopted into "the Lakota tribe" and Pipe Carriers. Totally defensive, defiant and angry. She goes on to claim that she's a Pipe Carrier too and many people know of her magic. Or something to that effect. Oh, and she's also a Reiki Master as well as a Native American "spiritualist." By her own admission she is non-Native and in fact, East Indian.

And of course, it's all wrapped up in Whirling Rainbow. Yet another unlikely set of credential inconsistent with age, experience, location, heritage, etc.

Here's how it's working out:
Lonnie Prairie Chicken (for real, I think) -  Oglala, Strong Heart Drummers "drum keeper", self-identifies as a descendant of Crazy Horse. He hangs with White Eagle and supports Holzwarth and the drum project/foundation/whatever it is.
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/donations.htm

This is confusing, because I think Prairie Chicken is the real deal, and yet I'm struggling with why he would support this garbage and associate himself with it. Does he "adopt" white guys and make them Pipe Carriers? Or is he unknowingly being used himself?
He lives in Wasilla; he's buddies with a Larry Lawes, a white guy who is possibly the father of the object of my attention. Larry drums with Strong Heart Drummers and "sings" in Lakota. This could be how he came to consider himself a "Lakota Pipe Carrier." His picture shows he's definitely not Hindu (or East Indian of any kind).

Larry is intimate friends with a Terri Boswell, a member of Citizen Potowatami Nation (Shawnee, OK). There was a Potowatami gathering in Alaska this summer hosted by Eklutna. Terri Boswell was in some kind of naming ceremony, accompanied by Larry Lawes. Terri claims to do "an annual Sun Dance with Lakota and Ojibwe." Terri is a woman.
http://www.potawatomi.org/pubinfo/HowNiKan/HowNiKan-May2010LR.pdf

Question:
How come if these people are all endowed with the secrets of the Himalayas and the Kamasutra, Native American Shamans and medicine people, how come they have to resort to prostitution and panhandling? How come they don't just blink money into their bank accounts?
I mean, shucks, I would, right?

"Tonkashula, Watchimawcaw"(sic), Ms. Tripp.


Read more: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3225.msg28078#new#ixzz1Fsj0dVci
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on March 07, 2011, 02:13:51 pm

And of course, it's all wrapped up in Whirling Rainbow. Yet another unlikely set of credential inconsistent with age, experience, location, heritage, etc.

Here's how it's working out:
Lonnie Prairie Chicken (for real, I think) -  Oglala, Strong Heart Drummers "drum keeper", self-identifies as a descendant of Crazy Horse. He hangs with White Eagle and supports Holzwarth and the drum project/foundation/whatever it is.
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/donations.htm

This is confusing, because I think Prairie Chicken is the real deal, and yet I'm struggling with why he would support this garbage and associate himself with it. Does he "adopt" white guys and make them Pipe Carriers? Or is he unknowingly being used himself?
He lives in Wasilla; he's buddies with a Larry Lawes, a white guy who is possibly the father of the object of my attention. Larry drums with Strong Heart Drummers and "sings" in Lakota. This could be how he came to consider himself a "Lakota Pipe Carrier." His picture shows he's definitely not Hindu (or East Indian of any kind).

Larry is intimate friends with a Terri Boswell, a member of Citizen Potowatami Nation (Shawnee, OK). There was a Potowatami gathering in Alaska this summer hosted by Eklutna. Terri Boswell was in some kind of naming ceremony, accompanied by Larry Lawes. Terri claims to do "an annual Sun Dance with Lakota and Ojibwe." Terri is a woman.
http://www.potawatomi.org/pubinfo/HowNiKan/HowNiKan-May2010LR.pdf


I looked at that first link you posted and didn't see the connection to Lonnie. It seems to be a list of donations. Some of them were no doubt deceived, didn't know to who they were giving. Borders is listed, as is a sheet metal company, barge line, builder's supply, etc. More than likely they were told "It's for a Native religious group" and gave scrap metal or building supplies etc. Plus there are several Holzwarths listed, likely relatives. It could be Suraj Holzwarth has family who married Natives. (Or are partners. One kept her maiden name.) So she has to rely on them now that she can't sell ceremony in most places.

I don't know if I'd call that gathering in Alaska a Potawatomi one. It seems to have begun with a Lakota man who probably invited anyone Native to participate. Perhaps Holzwarth relied on her relatives married or living with Native men. Perhaps Larry simply doesn't know all that's going on. Is he elderly? Often frauds will try to cosy up to elders, misrepresent themselves, make themselves useful and then use them.

Oh yeah, I think it's pretty funny that Holzwarth actually hides her face behind a mask on her site. Did anyone else notice that she will be touring Canada in a month? And Australia for two months next year.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on February 04, 2012, 04:32:32 pm
More silliness....

She's still duping people into believing she has some sort of "Indigenous" legitimacy.  These are a few of the newest videos she posted on her own youtube channel.  

Not surprisingly, she's filming herself, this time trying to pass off a channeling session.  They're two very long videos...about an hour each with not much happening other than her twitching and talking slowly as she channels the "divine mother" who speaks about Rachel being there to help Mt. Montezuma....you guys get the picture.  Shameless self promotion wrapped up in a package of ceremony and ritual stolen from every place she visits and passed off as "given" to her.  While the videos themselves are enough, the most disturbing part is the description she posts...since this is her own youtube channel, I can only assume she wrote this herself and it seems still is trying to pass herself off as legitimized through some "indigenous cultures" which she, of course, never names because it's a lie:

"White Eagle Medicine Woman Channeling the Divine Mother Part 1 Pisac Peru "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M_gZk4dah8

Description (bold is mine for emphasis):
"White Eagle Medicine Woman at the Rainbow Fire Mystery School In Pisac Peru channeling " The Divine Mother" October 2011. White Eagle is known by indigenous cultures as a "Spirit Walker", a medium that the Ancestors, Ancient Ones, GrandMothers, Grandfathers and Masters in the Spirit World use to bring direct guidance for individuals and groups. Her individual and group sessions provide extensive spiritual teachings and practical detailed guidance from those in the Spirit World regarding your Higher Purpose (what you are here to receive) and your Life Purpose (what you are here to give) in order to take the next step on the path of your Soul Purpose (your path this lifetime). These guides and teachers are known to bestow a divine grace that is transforming."


"White Eagle Medicine Woman Channeling the 'Divine Mother' Part 2 Pisac Peru "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhMtNh4mryw

(Same description)


-----------------------------------------

She also tags the vids with search queries like: "indigenous ceremony", "prophecy", "native american teachings" and "tribe"


So it seems...she's still up to her old tricks and apparently bold about it once more trying to claim that the gobbledygook of performances she puts on are somehow pre-ordained 'indigenous' ceremonies she alone was called for to conduct.....alll for the right price, as this particular "Rainbow Fire Mystery School" featured in the videos cost a few grand to attend.

Superdog
 
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on February 04, 2012, 05:02:31 pm
Another one from the same event on another channel.  She sure loves people to bring the cameras doesn't she...

Sorry Earthw....this one might get to you little bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybbVcjVLL0&feature=related


This just follows her method.  With every booking she inquires about anybody "indigenous" that may be attending and then asks them to be involved in her "prayerformances" so they look more legitimate.  Most often these people either didn't know what they were getting into and get taken advantage of by her....or they're looking for that stage on which to shine (in their own mind) and Rachel Holzwarth is more than willing to ride that train.  Either way it's wrong, but it still remains her mode of operation.  For anyone following her for a while, it's clear anyone she exploits usually doesn't stay with her long.

If anything this is a clear example of the awkwardness of just mixing everything together haphazardly because it makes a good show.  I pity the young lady with the pipe....she appears lost and I'm hoping she doesn't hurt herself or anyone else.  


Gotta add too, the hide on her drum seems pretty beat up now.  Got a good sized hole in it and appears to be showing stress marks...probably not far from tearing.  She probably should've learned something about how to take care of a drum before paying someone to use that animal's hide to construct something way too large for her to even carry and who always seems to sleep outside by itself with no one to care for it.  To me it's just another obvious sign of the consequences of her exploitation and claiming to be something she's not....and I've said it before, but I continue to see it....she seems much more aged and ragged than before....another consequence of her behavior.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: critter - a white non-ndn person on February 04, 2012, 08:43:13 pm
never mind. i confused this one with the other one. they're all pretty much the same huh.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: nemesis on February 16, 2012, 10:49:27 pm
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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Mahekun on January 12, 2013, 05:46:02 am
Looks like Holzwarth is using Idle No More as a platform to try to have influence. Scroll a bit down this page to see her in a photo with her lackeys and abomination of a drum, bordered with the prophecy of the 8th fire.

http://www.facebook.com/DancingMoccasins

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Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: earthw7 on January 12, 2013, 04:43:48 pm
This movement has all the fakes coming out and they dont even know what it is about they will cause the division among the people
why cant people just let us live we are fighting for our lives and the earth and we have the fakes just trying to make money off us,
do any of them go to the government and say stop what you doing , do they stand up for us or just them selves, where are they when
are people are in need, where were they when we fought for our land and our lives.
Sorry for the rant but right now we need support not people who want to use us for their own profit
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on February 17, 2013, 02:11:33 pm
Just an update.  Rachel has made her personal FB account active again (for about the past year or so).
https://www.facebook.com/whiteeagle50

One of the funniest updates she posted came from January of last year:
"Tomorrow I enter my first year as an elder at 52,"

That's a good one....she's an elder now  ::)  Maybe she thinks that because she looks older than 52.... (I still maintain her haggard look is a consequence of her actions and playing with things she doesn't understand...).

The Whirling Rainbow site has also moved and been updated.  Now part of Wordpress.  Much of it is still the same, but some things have been added such as the History and Timeline....some definite stretching of the truth there.  Just a reminder...she's not changing her ways and still tries to cash in on the idea that somehow she accepted by indigenous peoples....which isn't the case.

http://whirlingrainbow.com/

http://whirlingrainbow.com/who-we-are/vision-and-mission/#history

There are also updated lists of staff and contributors....most of them not surprising...

She is working on a new product offering...a puppet show for children:
http://whirlingrainbow.com/visual-arts/magic-bundle-puppet-theatre/
"This ancient traditional story has been told by Elders the world over and was creatively adapted for Puppet Theatre from our colorfully illustrated children story to include the journey of the Matanuska Valley’s own international peace drum, the Grandmother Drum. Set long ago when the Earth was still one massive and peaceful continent, the wise Elder Grandmother “See the Truth” longs to pass on her wisdom placed in her “Magic Bundle,” so future generations can remember they are one family and how to share and care for each other. With the help of her young assistant Orion, Grandmother “See the Truth” takes on a journey to the top of Denali, to the bottom of the ocean floor, to the center of the Earth and even to the Moon in search of a safe place to hide the Magic Bundle. As she grows tired from all her adventures into the future where humanity is still fighting, she turns the job over to young Orion. When Orion accidently drops the “Magic Bundle” it’s contents suddenly become revealed. This timeless children’s teaching story magically uncovers the truth of our Oneness and the promise of Peace on Earth."

As you can see.....more marketing BS in the description....basically she's written herself into a legend she created (not unlike the rest of what she does).

She's planning another trip to Peru (which if you act now you get a $200 discount for this super spirchual event) as well as a return to Hawaii and, of course, Alaska....

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on February 18, 2013, 02:43:28 pm
There do seem to be some pleasant surprises on her site now. I don't see any sponsors or supporters in Alaska anymore. Before there were maybe half a dozen Alaska Natives. I wonder what she did to alienate them, or maybe they just discovered her lying and disprespect elsewhere.

At one point she claimed Maori support also, but that's gone too. Now her supporters are overwhelmingly white, even more than before. Mostly spiritual tourism peddlers in Latin America, including Aumrak and Baumgarten. Most of her other workshops are in Europe. I don't see any listed for the US or Canada at all, except one at a Methodist church in Anchorage. There are two other claimed future events in Alaska, but both TBA.

She does seem to have acquired some claimed support from Australian Aboriginals. I wonder if they just don't know the truth about her. I'm going to try contacting them, and urge others to do the same. Esp our Australian members.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: MsWilma on February 19, 2013, 02:54:53 pm
Yes, hi from Australia.

I'd heard of a 'world music act' called Grandmother Drum years before I knew of NAFPS and I had no idea that she was offending Native Americans and misappropriating culture or spirituality. My guess is that many others in Australia are in a similar boat.
Just did a quick search and found, for example, that she toured out here last year through 'Ken Jacob World Music Promotions'
http://www.kjpromo.com.au/
The company is basedin Northern New South Wales (very New Age community). Many of the events they've promoted are on the world music scene. For example, one of the artists mentioned by this events company teaches community groups how to build large homemade marimbas (like large wooden xylophones), then groups of people are taught to play the marimbas together. This is how she has contextualised herself.
Her promotions for the last tour seemed very very vague. The most specifically fake Indian thing about the way she presented herself on her last tour was her name and clothing. The way she describes her drum borrows from all over the place
Annoyingly, she seems to have been promoted by the regional arm of our national broadcaster ABC
http://www.abc.net.au/indigenous/stories/s2625274.htm
- I think that she has connected herself with a great touring artists agency and they used all of their contacts for her. That's my guess. The world music scene has a lot of fusion of styles going on (some good, some bad..) She seems to have pushed the world music angle.
I've only done a very quick google but she has certainly had at least one well respected and well connected aboriginal elder hold a 'Welcome to Country' prior to a performance. Again, my guess is that this elder would have been asked to provide the Welcome prior to a world music event. He is connected to a Universityin Queensland- will message you his details as I've found them via google,  Educated Indian in case you want to contact him directly


Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: milehighsalute on April 15, 2013, 07:43:42 am
shes at it again....with new tour 2013 GRANDMOTHER DRUM EUROPE TOUR!
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shes talking equinox's, slstices, being initiated as a quero shaman blah blah blah......maybe now she gonna take a page from yraceburu and call herself a quero apache lol
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Freija on April 15, 2013, 01:16:34 pm
Oh, noooo.... >:( :-\
Not here!

Will get the word out!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on April 15, 2013, 01:49:18 pm
She's stretching the truth (once again) on her tour dates.....several of the European tour sites list "TBA" for event and location.  Just the name of a country.



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Pyewackets Metaphysical - 35282 Kenai Spur hwy    Soldotna, Alaska, United States    
April 13    Heart of One Free Monthly Teleconference- April 2013
-    This event does not have a physical location.    
April 18 - April 20    SOUND HEALING & THE POWER OF THE DRUM - 3 Day Workshops with White Eagle Medicine Woman
Israel - Israel    Israel, , Israel    
April 26 - April 28    SOUND HEALING & THE POWER OF THE DRUM - 3 Day Workshops with White Eagle Medicine Woman April 26-28
Israel - Israel    Israel, , Israel    
April 27    Drum Making Workshop with Michaela
Art Barn next to Many Rivers - 1060 East End Road    Homer, Alaska, United States    
May 01    Home in Alaska More to Come
Alaska - Alaska    Alaska, , Canada    
May 21    Drum for Change in 2013
Alaska - Alaska    Alaska, , Canada    
June 01    Home in Alaska: More to Come
Alaska - Alaska    Alaska, , Canada    
July 01    TBA
Ireland - Ireland    Ireland, , Ireland    
July 13 - July 16    Tentative Date - Details TBA
UK - UK    UK, , United Kingdom    
July 27 - July 30    Tentative Date - Details TBA
France - France    France, , France    
August 03 - August 06    Confirmed: Denmark, Glamsbjerg
Shamanhulen - Nyrupvej 19    Glamsbjerg, , Denmark    
August 17 - August 20    Tentative Date - Details TBA
Germany - Germany    Germany, , Germany    
August 31 - September 03    Confirmed: Austria, Gramastetten
Kultur Starzerhof - Hamberg 10    Gramastetten , , Austria    
September 14 - September 17    Confirmed Austria, Attersee am Attersee
Atterseehalle - Kirchenstraße 1    Attersee, , Austria    
September 28 - October 01    Tentative Date - Details TBA
Poland - Poland    Poland, , Poland    
October 12 - October 15    Tentative Date - Details TBA
Portugal - Portugal    Portugal, , Portugal    
October 26 - November 01    7 Days "Drum Keepers Initiation" - Tentative Date
-    This event does not have a physical location.    
December 03    6 Nations, Italy VS Ireland
Taaffes Bar - 19 Shop Street    Galway, Galway, Ireland    "


The last event in Ireland appears to be an evening performance (10-11pm) at a bar...(6 Nations refers to 6 Nations Rugby)...

Here's the fb for Taaffes Bar looks like your basic watering hole featuring live music.  It indicates she is more than likely pulling the "world music" wool over some people's eyes in order to get her foot in the door....but...a bar??  Weird....even for her.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Taaffes-Bar/311221092237549

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 15, 2013, 04:42:33 pm
Taking a drum she wants us to believe is a Native spiritual drum into a venue where people perform for money while surrounded by people drinking alcohol. Wow. Not surprising, though. Maybe we should send some folks over to spill some drink on the drum (as if it weren't cursed enough already).
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: educatedindian on April 15, 2013, 09:00:15 pm
Her "tours" are becoming something out of Spinal Tap, dwindling and pathetic and self deluded.

I don't imagine she'll get much of a good reception playing for pumped up soccer fans just done watching the finals, with more than a few pints in them.

The only two listed "tours" in Alaska are both in small town book/curio/gift shops. There'll be all of space for ten people to hear her. Plus all those TBA dates, just listing countries, sound like quite a bit of wishful thinking. There are long stretches between those European dates, sometimes as much as five weeks. It'd be pretty expensive to fly back and forth between Europe and Alaska, so I guess she has some people sponsoring her, giving her places to stay or paying for tickets.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on April 16, 2013, 03:39:20 am
Ma Anand Suraj is her sannyasin name from the Rajneesh/Osho cult. Followers sometimes were given names in person but eventually more often through the mail.

She's still using her sannyasin name Suraj, that is important to keep in mind.

She is listed as an  Osho Information Center in Alaska:

Osho Information Center Ma Anand Suraj (Rachel Holzwarth) Sw Anand Shantam (Larry Mercutieff)
PO Box 773556
Eagle River 99577
AL

http://www.oshoworld.com/oshocenters/oshocenters_outside_india5.asp (http://www.oshoworld.com/oshocenters/oshocenters_outside_india5.asp)

This means she would most likely always have a place to stay when she travels. Sannyasins have lots of experience with frequent travel and with providing crash pads for fellow travelers.

A one day session with her only costs  $1111.00 http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/store/Private-Spiritual-Healing-Intensive-White-Eagle-Medicine-Woman.html (http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/store/Private-Spiritual-Healing-Intensive-White-Eagle-Medicine-Woman.html)

Photo here is from about 1999 http://sittingowl.com/v1n1.htm (http://sittingowl.com/v1n1.htm)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 16, 2013, 03:50:34 am
It's very offensive the way the Rajneesh cult degraded the meaning of the sannyasin vows/ashram. I don't know a single person from that group that actually earned it, or who lived by the standards required by that spiritual role. I know Hindus who were on planes to India and some of the white pretenders to these titles were on the same flights. My friends witnessed the white Rajneeshi cultists turned back at the border. 

But it's just part of the salad bar for these culture vultures. A little of this, a little of that, and zero understanding of any of it.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on April 16, 2013, 04:15:44 am
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It's very offensive the way the Rajneesh cult degraded the meaning of the sannyasin vows/ashram. I don't know a single person from that group that actually earned it, or who lived by the standards required by that spiritual role. I know Hindus who were on planes to India and some of the white pretenders to these titles were on the same flights. My friends witnessed the white Rajneeshi cultists turned back at the border. 

But it's just part of the salad bar for these culture vultures. A little of this, a little of that, and zero understanding of any of it.

I was briefly a member, lured in by friends. Spent a few days at the Ranch in Oregon, attended Rajneeshee events in Seattle, many friends were very involved in the group.

The fact that Holzwarth is running an Osho center tells us so much. This means she still identifies with a destructive cult group. Her guru Rajneesh (Chandra Mohan Jain) was big on the whole "crazy wisdom" act which means he never accepted responsibility for the damage done.

Immigration fraud. Bioterrorism (750 some people purposefully poisoned in Oregon). Lies, fraud, disrepectful cultural rip-offs. Horrible in-fighting which included people being purposefully told that their HIV/AIDS blood tests were positive when they were not - and then were actually quarantined. Lots of psychiatric fallout. Their own security force with semi automatic weapons displayed publically.

The Oregonian has a great series on the group: http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/ (http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/)

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But it's just part of the salad bar for these culture vultures
. The Rajneesh bioterrorism attack was via salad bars.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 16, 2013, 06:15:06 pm
In Boston we had neighbors who were part of the cult. And I had a friend who had been a member and seen her friends forced into prostitution by the cult leaders. She told us all about the scandals before they hit the media. I'm glad she got out when she did.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on April 16, 2013, 07:09:24 pm
Kathyrn have you heard of other followers of Rajneesh going the shame-on route?

Heh, now that I start looking, I can see examples of this trend everywhere.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on April 16, 2013, 07:39:05 pm
I haven't kept in touch with the individuals I knew in the '80s, but the people drawn to Rajneesh/Osho all seemed to be hippie dabblers. The people who were drawn to Rajneesh/Osho also went to things like the Rainbow Gatherings and other events full of pretendians, shameons and fake rastas. Once they figured out that they could take a bath, get a haircut, put on expensive clothes and make money off this stuff, a lot of those hippies morphed into yuppie newagers. 

Some of the people who got involved with Rajneesh/Osho for the "free love" angle, and who were OK with the prostitution, are now involved in sex trafficking, especially the "sacred whore" and bogus "goddess temple" brothels. And those people are definitely using pretendian ceremonies as part of their m.o.

Search the board on Osho and sex trafficking topics. Sadly, there's lots of connections there.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: MattOKC on April 16, 2013, 10:48:10 pm
Another one from the same event on another channel.  She sure loves people to bring the cameras doesn't she...

Sorry Earthw....this one might get to you little bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybbVcjVLL0&feature=related



I busted out laughing at 1:40 in that video. It's worth clicking just to see that part. Seriously, go watch--you'll laugh until the coffee sprays!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Smart Mule on May 14, 2013, 01:26:07 pm
She's now planning on touring the 'UK'.

Direct links -
https://www.facebook.com/groups/312593558899/permalink/10151680817728900/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/312593558899/permalink/10151680817728900/)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/312593558899/permalink/10151680830543900/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/312593558899/permalink/10151680830543900/)

You need to be a member of the group in order to see the posts.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 14, 2013, 06:14:35 pm
Well... that's evil. Holzwarth photoshopped a spiral from a Christian manuscript over one of her publicity photos. It's not even an image of the Newgrange spiral. That gives her no more connection to Newgrange, or any other Irish sacred site, than does her hanging Australian eagle feathers off that death drum and claiming it connects her to Native Americans. Yet she has lied and claimed to be "Celtic" as she has lied about being Seneca.

The death drum contains human remains and human blood. It is evil, like the racist pretendian fraud who bangs on it, the one who has openly supported the racist theories of Steiner - the the NDNs all need to die so the white people can inherit their medicine. Anyone of any spiritual sensitivity who has been near that thing can feel that it is bad, bad ju ju.

Heads up, Irish and English folks, and anyone else in the Isles. Don't let this woman exploit you the way she's tried to exploit Indigenous people everywhere she's gone. Don't let her come to your land, don't let her present there, don't buy her lies.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on May 14, 2013, 06:41:58 pm
Her father recently passed on. He was born in Baltimore, Maryland. Very active in the Catholic Knights of Columbus. This is an in depth obit, and there is no mention of NDN heritage at all.

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... his daughter Suraj (Nancy) Holzwarth of Homer, Alaska

His military enlistment papers identify him as white.

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He was an outdoorsman and conservationist, taking his wife and children on hundreds of camping and backpacking excursions throughout the country and sharing with them his wonder and love of nature and the wilds.

Rachel Nancy Holzwarth's focus used to be Alaska Women of Wilderness tours, too bad she didn't stay with that.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on May 14, 2013, 07:03:18 pm
9 page application for the Rainbow Path Internship, includes gems like:

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Some of our programs involve working with indigenous peoples and cultures from around the
world. Please list your experience working with diverse populations (youth, elders, women, native peoples etc). Please use additional paper if necessary

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Have you ever attempted to take your life? YES NO If so, please state when.

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RELEASE
To expedite this process, we ask your consent to contact by phone or letter any employer and/or health practitioner whom you have indicated on this form has knowledge of your employment and/or physical or mental health. By signing below you are giving The Whirling Rainbow Foundation staff permission to contact any of the employers/practitioners listed in your application.

Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 14, 2013, 08:13:09 pm

Rachel Nancy Holzwarth's focus used to be Alaska Women of Wilderness tours, too bad she didn't stay with that.

She doesn't seem to have a good history of keeping partnerships going.  Her old Alaskan Women of the Wilderness Foundation began in '96 and was involuntarily dissolved in '99.  The didn't stop her from collecting funds for it.  Some of her old advertisements (from '04 and maybe '06) asked that payments for her events be made out to AWWF rather than herself or Whirling Rainbow. 

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 14, 2013, 09:30:10 pm
Just more in the wide weird world of Rachel Holzwarth.....

Here's a vid from May, 2012.  She actually made an appearance on NOVA FM while in Australia.  The producers obviously brought her in as some kind of a gag, but she actually shows up dressed in her buckskin dress and blesses a soccer player.  Pretty much the whole way through they're having trouble keeping their faces straight.  Afterwards she gets asked about her dress and claims she wears it in honor of a "teaching story of 'our' Lakota Nation" about White Buffalo Calf Woman.... ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSIlRIvVeew

She shows up at :58 and stays throughout the video.  At about 3:40 she relates a story being given some sort of authority "to carry the law in this land" and make blessings representing warriors of Kings Park.  So weird....so Rachel.....

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on May 14, 2013, 09:42:22 pm
Here's another from March of 2012.  In this one, she's weirdly holding a doll wrapped in a cradleboard and forecasting earthquakes.....looks like it was filmed in Australia as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ1ZAkZ5DyE

She just keeps getting weirder and weirder.....kind of like some mental health issues are emerging.  I'm seeing some clear signs she's detaching things from reality.  I'm not sure if this is really a show anymore....more like a spiral downwards....

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on May 14, 2013, 10:49:08 pm
Didn't she claim some white person ran out of the audience in Australia and gave her some kind of NDN-looking doll? And that she took this as an omen that she could play NDN?  Wasn't she claiming she was using it to represent NDNs in her weird ceremonies?  EEEeeeeeeeeeee......
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on May 15, 2013, 01:33:27 am
Whoa, that doll video is really something.

I wonder if she has been crazy from the very beginning, or if she started out as a purposeful performing fraud and has since driven herself crazy.

She's been doing this doll stuff since at least 2008:

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Like others in the crowd, she wasn't sure what to think when Holzwarth held a doll, wrapped on a board in American Indian style and decorated with feathers.

She explained that when the group visited Australia, she had been thinking of how the aboriginal people there had been mistreated. As a parade led the Alaskans to where they would perform, she said, "an Irish woman steps out of the crowd and hands me this."

The "medicine doll" became a symbol for healing loss, she said, for American Indians who were victims of settler genocide -- or lost to abortion or death.

After the somber introduction, the doll was passed along to those seated in the pews.

Mary Szybist of Media, Pa., cradled the doll as her sons Finn, 4, and Liam, 2, smiled and Finn touched its face gently.

"This is about exposing them to Native American culture and custom," said their father, Bob, a teacher.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.msg10311#msg10311 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.msg10311#msg10311)

Her drum, to build this huge creepy death drum, and then get others to drag it around the planet with her - so very weird and horrible.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on May 15, 2013, 01:45:50 am
Here's a 2003 use of the doll:

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With spruce bows laying in the seven foot crystal bowl, the sacred medicine doll laying on them in red cloth, it was so beautiful in candlelight and full moon.


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/livinglight/message/135?l=1 (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/livinglight/message/135?l=1)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: debbieredbear on May 15, 2013, 01:58:18 am
This woman is getting more and more creepy. SHe really needs a visit to a nice place with a new jacket. One that has long sleeves and ties in the back. I think karma amy be getting her. And these people think a doll in a fake cradleboard is ndn??
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Autumn on May 15, 2013, 06:14:46 pm
This woman is getting more and more creepy. SHe really needs a visit to a nice place with a new jacket. One that has long sleeves and ties in the back. I think karma amy be getting her. And these people think a doll in a fake cradleboard is ndn??

Agree.  She and Sarah Palin should stay in Alaska for good.  Preferably together (that would serve them right).
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Cheesy Little Life on May 16, 2013, 02:11:16 pm
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Heads up, Irish and English folks, and anyone else in the Isles. Don't let this woman exploit you the way she's tried to exploit Indigenous people everywhere she's gone. Don't let her come to your land, don't let her present there, don't buy her lies.

Ay ready.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Defend the Sacred on June 02, 2013, 02:07:32 am
Heads Up! The fraud has booked a gig at a BAR in Galway, Ireland for December. That's plenty of time to get it cancelled.

Decmber 3, 2013 - Taaffes Bar, 19 Shop Street, Galway, Ireland. 10:00 pm - 11:00 pm (http://whirlingrainbow.com/events2/6-nations-italy-vs-ireland/)

For those of you who don't know, if she were Native she would know you never take an NDN spiritual drum around alcohol. Not that this is the first time she's shown her hideous ignorance and evil. She's not even good at maintaining any sort of pretendian facade. I think at this point she'll take any gig she's offered. It's pathetic, really, but I don't think anyone should cut her any slack just because she's so bad at this.

Oh, she's also selling fake pipe ceremonies and trying to exploit White Buffalo Calf Woman: http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/store/White-Eagle-White-Buffalo-Pipe-Ceremonial-Workshop-1-Day.html

Well... we know what happens to those who approach WBCW with evil intent and the desire to exploit...
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: onceuponatime on June 03, 2013, 03:08:24 am
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/store/White-Eagle-White-Buffalo-Pipe-Ceremonial-Workshop-1-Day.html. Just had a friend send me this link about another person selling ceremony and found that there was already a thread for this person and the foundation . Sad, very sad!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on June 03, 2013, 01:53:16 pm
http://www.whirlingrainbow.com/store/White-Eagle-White-Buffalo-Pipe-Ceremonial-Workshop-1-Day.html

" This ceremony is created to purify the four directions and four chambers of the heart with prayer work of intention,healing, reconciliation and deep communion. The lineage of the sacred pipe of oneness connects us to the ancient wisdom teachings of the Lakota Star Knowledge. The pipe is a medicine bundle of knowledge and wisdom given to humanity by the great Star Maiden, White Buffalo Woman to prepare humanity for earth changes. She foretold her return and the fullfillment of her prophecy with the appearance of a female white buffalo, signaling the time of the mending of the Hoop of All Nations. As we bring together the stem and the bowl of the pipe, we enact her teachings of unity of masculine and feminine. As we ignite the pipe through the four rounds of the ceremony, we open a portal to Creator through the smoke to receive our instructions and guidance to walk forward in beauty.

COST $111. Price does not included food, lodging, air or land transportation."



That's horrrrrrrible......OMG......

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: loudcrow on June 04, 2013, 12:39:34 am
http://worldpeaceandprayerday.com/

Just when I thought she couldn't go any lower.. she has. She is using Arvol's photo to
give the impression he supports her. 

ENRAGED
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Mahekun on June 04, 2013, 05:46:08 pm
Another one from the same event on another channel.  She sure loves people to bring the cameras doesn't she...

Sorry Earthw....this one might get to you little bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybbVcjVLL0&feature=related


Ah yes the ancient scarf dance, hahaha what the hell.


I busted out laughing at 1:40 in that video. It's worth clicking just to see that part. Seriously, go watch--you'll laugh until the coffee sprays!
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: aniwayah on August 10, 2013, 08:44:43 am
Another one from the same event on another channel.  She sure loves people to bring the cameras doesn't she...

Sorry Earthw....this one might get to you little bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MybbVcjVLL0&feature=related


Ah yes the ancient scarf dance, hahaha what the hell.


I busted out laughing at 1:40 in that video. It's worth clicking just to see that part. Seriously, go watch--you'll laugh until the coffee sprays!

I haven't posted before and I am not sure if this how you do it, but I am not laughing at this video.....I am crying.  That last song is the Traveling Bear song and it is used at our bear ceremonies (Paiute, Miwok, Mono, Tubatulabal, Yokuts, all the Central, Eastern and Western Sierra tribes).  When we wake them up in the spring and when we put them to sleep in the fall.  Thse nuage people didn't have words right, but is definitely our song and it is sacred.  Where did she get it?  And to see someone doing that ridiculous dance....so disrespectful...my hearts hurts so much right now.
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on August 10, 2013, 10:38:05 am
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Traveling Bear Song Two River Reservation (gifted by Paiute Elder, Golden Eagle, Sept. 2005)

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.msg11937#msg11937 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.msg11937#msg11937)

Rachel's claims that this is the source of the song.

"Paiute Elder, Golden Eagle" looks to be Marshall Jack
http://mandalatransformation.com/genprot.html (http://mandalatransformation.com/genprot.html)
http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/about.html (http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/about.html)
http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/songs/mp3/Traveling%20Bear%20Song.mp3 (http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/songs/mp3/Traveling%20Bear%20Song.mp3)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: aniwayah on August 11, 2013, 07:37:53 am
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Traveling Bear Song Two River Reservation (gifted by Paiute Elder, Golden Eagle, Sept. 2005)

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.msg11937#msg11937 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1513.msg11937#msg11937)

Rachel's claims that this is the source of the song.

"Paiute Elder, Golden Eagle" looks to be Marshall Jack
http://mandalatransformation.com/genprot.html (http://mandalatransformation.com/genprot.html)

Thank you, Piff.  I know Mr. Jack.  We are having a ceremony in our area later today and Mr. Jack has called the leader and asked if he could come and bring someone.  I have no idea who he is bringing, but I will be talking to him about him selling the Traveling Bear song.   
http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/about.html (http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/about.html)
http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/songs/mp3/Traveling%20Bear%20Song.mp3 (http://goldeneagleceremonies.com/songs/mp3/Traveling%20Bear%20Song.mp3)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Superdog on August 20, 2015, 08:01:01 pm
Just an update.  Rachel's apparently changed her "prayerformances" to a pseudo-musical group....The Grandmother Drum Ensemble  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY_Zd39mrc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4VDp7WGwzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seegy3-vF7k

Of course still appropriating other cultures for her personal gain and still going by the pseudonym "White Eagle Medicine Woman".  In fact, on her website she's now billing herself as "The Mother of the Rainbow Nation".

I suppose the "sanctuary" idea didn't work out when nobody donated so she could buy land so she's reinvented herself again....kind of.  Same old schtick.  But no "grandmother drum" in these performances?  Bet the hide cracked.  I mean, she has no idea how to take care of a drum.  Taking videos laying and standing on it...etc.  Wondering if it got retired.

Superdog
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Epiphany on August 22, 2015, 05:26:28 pm
Her performance style is very annoying.

Public records on Rachel N Holzwarth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2M61-PQX (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2M61-PQX)

Her father's obit found in here http://issuu.com/lmpublications/docs/wsc_3.7.13 (http://issuu.com/lmpublications/docs/wsc_3.7.13) Her father Henry (Hank) Holzwarth Jr., her mother Joyce.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=holzwarth&GSfn=henry&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=106529226&df=all& (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=holzwarth&GSfn=henry&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=106529226&df=all&)
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Sparks on November 18, 2018, 05:31:36 pm
Suraj Holzwarth is still very active. I will present a few links, some have been mentioned before, others not so.

This is from her Facebook profile:

Quote from: https://www.facebook.com/whiteeagle50
Intro
• Works at Grandmother Drum International Peace Project
• Executive director at The Whirling Rainbow Foundation
• Worked at Maybe God Has a Bigger Plan for Me Than I Had for Myself
• Worked at Freelance Artist
• Studied Education and Wilderness Therapy at State University of New York at Old Westbury
• Went to Holy Trinity High School
• Married to Michaela Ashaneya Baumgartner
• Followed by 640 people
Manages
• White Eagle Medicine Woman
• Onedollarfull Campaign for Global Peace Sanctuary …
• 20 Day Rainbow Fire Mystery School Peru 2019

Some of the links mentioned above:

https://www.facebook.com/The-Whirling-Rainbow-Foundation-173103386065804/
   [See also: https://www.whirlingrainbow.com/ (https://www.whirlingrainbow.com/).]
https://www.facebook.com/michaela.baumgartner.902
https://www.facebook.com/White-Eagle-Medicine-Woman-128535723879434/ [Her Facebook page.]
https://www.facebook.com/Onedollarfull/
https://www.facebook.com/RainbowFireMysterySchoolPeru/
Title: Re: Suraj Holzwarth aka White Eagle Medicine Woman
Post by: Sparks on August 30, 2019, 10:07:49 pm
There is a new public Facebook group (54 members), created on July 24, 2019:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2325848741013047/
[Does Europe want to bring the Grandmother Drum back after 6 years?]

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Description
It was 6 years ago that the UK and many other European Countries Hosted the Whirling Rainbow Foundations :
Grandmother Drum
With her keeper White Eagle Medicine Woman (Suraj Holzwarth)
I have had many enquiries since sharing the Aniversary Posts, were people have asked if this can happen again.
The answer is yes it can. It is up to you to make it possible.

Suraj Holzwarth is very active in there. FB profile: https://www.facebook.com/whiteeagle50